/ssbg/ - Super Smash Bros. General

Daily reminder King Dedede will NEVER get buffs.

The crowd went for the rest watching Hbox !

>>135622543
>making new thread early
>not including patch notes
>all because of memelee's resent highlight
Meleefags, ladies and gentlemen

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Nth for Little Mac the beast

>>135622801
fuck off enabler

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how do you even remain calm in a high profile match once you get to last stock against IC's or Puff
I feel scared for either player and I'm just watching.

>>135622932
enabler? wtf

Last game, show me what you got

>>135622516
>Patch notes
http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-5-patch-notes.433162/

Add dat to the next thread familia

F

>>135622942
maybe it's just me but I always think people are just overreacting when they chimp out over video games. Are they really that exciting? Like sure I'm super interested in going on but I've never not been calm while watching or playing

Maybe I have autism

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>checking out melee stream
>induced boner
Everytime

>>135623313
How about under the news, like this?

- Update 1.1.5 confirms that balance patches still continue: http://smashboards.com/threads/433162/

Good games, a bit laggy though. Where do you live?

>>135622516
If you are going to rush it at least make a good OP
> News
- Corrin and Bayonetta now available.
- Update 1.1.5 is out
- Patch Notes: http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-5-patch-notes.433162/
> Resources and Guides
http://pastebin.com/TD8zsDJ1 (embed)

Last thread: >>>>>>>>

>>135623672
>(embed)

The one blemish

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Who 3DS here???

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>>135623080
>that massive slowdown
>in the last game
Fun games though.

>>135623591
Carribean.

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>Nintendude

>>135623751
>try to do a standing up b from a dash because you keep rolling onto the stage
>because of the lag, my input to the left stays too long and I do a moving grounded up b instead
>watching in slow-mo as you prepare to f-tilt my last stock
Heartbreaking

Nintendude has a punchable face.

>patch released 2 days ago
>many characters lacking notes
>characters that are not only have 90% of the progress done
wtf are they doing? Is this few people that actually test shit or what?

What stream are you watching guys?

>>135623916
What I want to know is how the fuck they manage to test 90% of a character. unless that last 10% is peer review then there's no reason to not just test everything about that character at once.

>>135624047
sxswgamingesports

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>>135623908
That's because I knew you were going to screw up the punish because of the lag.
I'm always three steps ahead.

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Honestly I'll just be impressed if MacD and Hugs beat anyone in this tourney (other than each other)

>>135624047
I'm watching Mango's stream, since he's hosting the main one. The chat is much more bearable.

>>135624301
MacD won against Axe and Hugs won against SFAT

>>135624520
Didnt Hugs also beat SilentWolf or something? Didnt know he beat Axe though thats cool

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>internet to bad to keep up with the stream
>have to watch it in mobile res

Reminder that Pikachu and Rosalina are the new gods of smash 4

Why do they even give me the option to hit Start and Quit Online if they're just gonna penalize me for it?
Why can't I hit Quit and give the other player immediate victory? No, instead I have to SD twice?

Dont forget the unofficial official /ssbg/ discord
https://discord.gg/0rCibnHXzHQoLfnZ

>>135624703
rosa was always queen of shit but now there's no trap-god of shit to challenge her

>>135624671
yo is that the gameboy version

>Item Toss Strength: 1.198 -> 1.208
What does it mean?

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Jesus, guys.

>>135624618
Hugs didn't beat SilentWolf

>>135624703
>tfw Pikachu literally wins every MU

Can he be stopped?

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reminder to filter all of these players and never respond to or play with any of them

Chazo enablers (joining tournaments, streams, discord, and constantly playing him):
>Darkwolf
>Falafel
>Hornyass
>Madoka
>Panchito
>Penta
>Serpent
>Lister
>Alice
>JaviMF
>Sakuyadorf

Top chazo cocksuckers (everything above + extended history of cocksucking/defending chazo)
>Amduses
>Braxton
>Chad
>Chance

>>135625694
>Mario
>Ness
>G&W

>>135624878
Thrown held item does more damage and is goes further

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>Is a failure NEET loser but blogs about how he hates his mom even though she supports him and wants him to get a real job (he thinks he can be a bartender and make money off of smash) ( http://pastebin.com/QEiJhGyU )
>tells rex and lister to kill themselves for cool guy points in front of his stream viewers ( https://img.fireden.net//vg/image/1445/39/1445393658298.png )
>constantly splitting up the community with tournaments and discords that the majority of people are saying not to create ( https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/134496827/#134589445 )
>powertripped HARD on the old discord, and continues to do so (even harder) on his new one (and then has the audacity to call it /ssbg/) ( http://pastebin.com/s4T40mYf & http://pastebin.com/7MdUYCSi )
>Uses /ssbg/ threads only to stroke his ego because he happens to be somewhat decent at the game and good at abusing online lag.( https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/329187016 & https://img.fireden.net//vg/image/1453/87/1453875168254.png )
>Usually doesnt play with the good regulars, just goes for the lower level and new players ( https://img.fireden.net//vg/image/1445/40/1445401123467.png )

>>135625745
>tfw not on the list

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>>135625920
Nobody cares about that nobody.
Please stop trying to win him attention.

>>135625920
>somewhat decent
Eh, nah. He's decidedly ass. It's so obvious if he's not spamming Gordo in lag

>>135625745
This is autistic af, like calling enabler to random anons like this faggot did >>135622932

>>135625782
>Pikachu literally wins every MU against relevant characters

Can he be stopped?

>>135624789
How to kill chazo:

spread this discord link in other threads and boards totally unrelated to ssbg so enough shitters can join their place

find chazos local twitch channel

once it's live post links to chazos starterkit, complain about chazo how he shits up this place and begs for attention

destroy his rl reputation

he will stop going outside slowly dying on the inside

and of course stop playing him/on his tourneys/with his cocksuckers chad, chance, braxton

>>135626401
Apparently he can, but you should keep going just for the sake of the meme

>>135626401
No, his worst matchup is Mario and then it's like a 45:55 that he only loses because everyone fucking hates the repetitive cunt

Why can't this celebrity nonsense be posted in its own general? Just call it /ssbcg/ and be done with it.

>>135626038
>being this insistent on your shitty list joke

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>>135622516
LETS GO S2J

>>135622516
I kinda miss this Samus design. I don't miss Brawl though, textures looked weird

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jesus christ melee falcon is like speed on crack

can I get a summary of Hbox's match?

Why is Sheik considered deep again?
>grab fair fair fair dspecial
>needles
>le ftilt spam
>side special or uspecial for gimps
That's literally all she has

>>135626947
bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, rest, , bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, bair, rest

fuck you mango

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>>135625745

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GET DESTROYED NINTENFAGGOT

s2j memeing on the meme climbers

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>Nintendude not wobbling because everyone called him a fraud

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>>135627202
>failed handoff
>gets knee'd right after
I fucking laughed

>>135625920
You're doing it Anon

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ayy lmao

>>135627547
rip

that's what u get when you choose a gimmicky character and dont abuse their particular mechanics

Why everyone hating on nintendude? Seems like a nice fella

>>135627757
his salty suite trash talk video is literally one million times better than anything spewed out of leffen's/chillin feud

>>135627848
>his salty suite trash talk video
link?

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>>135627848

chillin's diss record is legendary

>>135627956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6U1l1Kt4s

I wanted to play some games today, but Sheik is just so frustrating to play now with her inability to take stocks.

>>135624805

Memeknight still has a huge advantage against Rosa, and she's so big that the UAir strings still work on her (even if they're a little more strict on timing).

Pikachu and Cloud are also bad matchups for her. ZSS is STILL a bad matchup for her even after the nerf.

Rosa dropped from top once people were sure of the Cloud / Rosa matchup, which was during 1.1.4.

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who /hbox/ here?

>Sheik is no longer the best
>Cloud got crippled harder than in FF7
>ZSS lost some of her best kill setups
>Bayo got gutted (not as bad as the rest of the guys tho)
>MK's up air got absolutely ruined
>Rosa, Pika, Ryu and Sonic are now the new gods of Smash 4
>Corrin;s counter is no longer a meme

Jesus fuck, 1.1.5 was brutal for the top tiers. At least they paid attention to the low tiers too.

>>135628264
ADAPT
D
A
P
T

>>135628264

It's cause you're not using her DSmash.

It got a major buff.

>>135628434
(you)

>>135628434
Her DSmash is still shit

>>135628138
You're doing it Anon

>>135628365
*bairs u*

>>135628402
I'll adapt the fuck out of a new reliable kill setup

Oh wait..

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>>135628367
>Corrin
>Top tier

>>135628367
>toptierfag
Where is the love for low tiers anon?

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>>135628365
Right here, senpai.

>>135628367
Only some of that is correct.

>Sheik is no longer the best
Yeah, she got fucked hard. Several bad matchups now.

>Cloud got crippled harder than in FF7
Oh no, now he has to get the opponent 1% higher to kill with his smashes, or 5% for a finishing touch in the air, whatever will he do?
Seriously though, his increased Limit Charge time is the only real issue, and it only truly affects his recovery when he needs to charge it offstage - and his recovery was mediocre anyways. None of his matchups changed at all.

>ZSS lost some of her best kill setups
She did, but she still edges out a lot of the other top tiers like Rosa. Only a few matchups got ruinned, she's still in high.

>Bayo got gutted (not as bad as the rest of the guys tho)
Hardly. Witchtime just has to be used a little more sparingly. Her matchups are pretty much the same.

>MK's up air got absolutely ruined
No, it's still possible, just more difficult to do. He can still perform it on everyone that's bigger than Olimar anyways. And he got new Fair strings.

>Rosa, Pika, Ryu and Sonic are now the new gods of Smash 4

Ryu gets bodied by Bayo. You're looking at Rosa, Pika, Cloud, Bayo, and then Sonic/MNite/Mario in no particular order.

>Corrin;s counter is no longer a meme
Thank fuck. He even got new Fair and Nair combos to boot.

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>>135628621
>tr4sh

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Is it just me or are they taking this Battle of the Five Gods shit way too seriously?

MORE LIKE GAME KEKS AM I RIGHT
LOL I SAID IT AGAIN

>>135624703
What's with this meme? Wouldn't Sheik and ZSS nerfed make Mario or Sonic the new reigning champion? Mario even beats Pikachu

>>135629363
It's just you. And you can stop samefagging now
>>135617967

>>135628367

Only Sheik and ZSS got crippled hard. Meta, Mayo, and MCloud are still doing fine, their nerfs hardly changed a thing.

And why you think Ryu/Sonic would be above Diddy/Cloud I'll never know. Ryu was only so high because of his even matchups with Sheik and ZSS. Now they're gone, and he has a bad matchup against a few top tiers.

>>135629363
i was actually just thinking this the other day
the tournament is still cool, but the fact they call them "gods" becase theyre good at an old nintendo game makes me baka

>>135629793

Nope. Pikachu has the advantage against Rosalina, Cloud, and Bayonetta, and a few others.

Mario is a good counterpick for Pikachu, but he doesn't have the same great matchup spread he does.

>>135628367
>samus is still shit
well, at least they made an effort

>>135629981
Not really, his only bad matchups with top tiers are pika and sort of Rosalina, other than that he goes even with or beats everyone else. His punish game is just as terrifying as bayo, it's just less straight forward

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BOW TO THE NEW KING OF SMASH

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>>135630412
I'm sorry, I think you got the wrong character.

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>>135630412
>what's a king to a god

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the year

>>135630609
>pm
lol time has stopped for that game

lets go PPMD

>>135630580
>Pikachu a god
Thanks for the keks peasant

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>>135629363
>looking at Lyn's panties
BACK THE FUCK OFF!?!?!

>>135629870
What the fuck are you on about?

>>135630395

>Ryu's only bad matchups are Pika and Rosa

No. He has a disadvantage against several others.

Cloud beats him in Neutral with ease. Bayo still gets the drop on him constantly. Ness and Sonic are difficult matchups for Ryu.

Fuck, he even has a slight disadvantage against Yoshi.

>>135631003
I know it's you, dirty nigger

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>>135631141
Whatever you say, you fucking idiot.

>>135630995

>literally 3 bad matchups against Mario, Ness, and G&W.
>good matchups against every other character vying for #1 spot
>highest character that goes even with him is Diddy

Do you even Smash bro?

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Why is Robin so fucking based?

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>>135631242
>you ass will never be worshipped like Peach's
why even fucking live

>>135631098
Bayo doesn't have an advantage, she just has witch time. Ryu still has the same damage output, better at footsies and the neutral overall, he can actually mash out of some of her combos unlike others. A good Ryu goes even with or beats nearly everyone but Pikachu and Rosa among the top tiers and villager in high tiers

>>135631141
>>135631242
>>135631003
>>135629870

samefag

stop trying to get attention in a general

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>>135631418
Steam ID?

>>135631467
This general really has gone to shit, hasn't it?
You guys don't even play the game anymore.
You've pushed out tournaments and people coming into the general just trying to play the game.
And then you have shitposting like this.
All you care about is your "esport" stream monster bullshit.

>>135631673
esports
circlejerk drama
I'm better than you let me take a photo so everyone can see I beat you
memes

welcome to /ssbg/

>>135631764

Unfortunately accurate.

Even the fucking Vita general is better than this.

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>>135631764
You say welcome, but you don't really mean to welcome anyone at all.

>>135631764
Speaking of Pame sucking my dick in apology.
When's the poverty tourney?

>>135631994
/mhg/ gets close.

>>135632008
I would if I could but it's hard saying welcome when there's 20 retards at the door throwing rocks.

>>135632056
In 2:40 hours approx.

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>no weaknesses
>grab>dthrow>utilt>utilt>grab>dthrow combo setup
>combo chain that goes up to 70% damage
>De lingering Cape
>fast fall speed
>that fucking dtilt into fair kill combo
>completely shits on false gods
>basically the mlg/poster boy of the entire smash series
>bestest edgeguard play

Can you name a better character than the true king of smash?

>protip: dont even pleb

>>135632056

Fucking canceled since everyone here sucks so much cock it's unbearable.

>>135632184
calm down

oh man pp didnt come today its just dr. poopoo as usual

>>135631994
Vitafag here

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>>135632184
But the real question is.
Who sucks the most cock?

>>135632181
>no weaknesses
>gets fucked by swordies and projectile based characters

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THE CITY OF WESTBALLZ

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>>135632146
Good thing there's the backdoor.

>>135632365
>gets fucked by projectile based characters
You have no idea what you're talking about

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>>135632364
I do.

>>>/v/331225253


real

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>>135632461
Welcome.

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>>135632505
Steam ID?

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>>135632365
>projectlies
Pleb please

>>135632181
Sandbag.

>>135632181

>Mario
>he's top tier because of completely escapable or very percentage specific combos
>still can't handle MNite's Girth
>still can't take G&W's Big Black Hammer
>still gets pegged by Rosalina
>still gets yiffed all over by Sonic
>still gets ridden all night long by Yoshi

You were saying something about false gods?

>>135632708
Chazostatue

So now that the dust has settled, how far has Charizard moved up?

>>135632857
cape is so slow and shitty in 4

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Let's be honest, familia.
Wii Fit Trainer is the best character in the game.

She's no replacement Sheik. She's plain better than Sheik.

>>135632365

>swordies and projectile users

Mario gets dicked over by a lot of characters, but swordies and projectile users are not some of them.

He has a bad time against Metaknight, Diddy, Cloud, and G&W though.

Apparently he still has a bad matchup with ZSS even after the nerf too (Sheik's is at least even or in Mario's favour now).

>>135633070
>le ledge spam feet lady

My character didnt get touched during this patch or really the last like 4 patches, but is anyone just annoyed how the scrubs got their way now? Like, you shitters didnt gain anything out of this, you were too low level to just deal with basic Sheik shit (that she can still do mind you) yet they think this changes the whole game for them and that top tier mains (who are still top tier mains) got btfo or something

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>>135632878
>muh matchups
>they can't take on a mario main
ARE YOU EVEN TRYING PLEB XD

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>>135633070
Is she bleeding black blood?

>>135633086
>sheik has to put in a thousand hours to become playable
>mario can become a competent pocket in 2
>now sheik loses to mario
o i am laffin

>>135632181
Anyone who can outspace Mario consistently can give him a hard time. Cloud, Bayonetta, Rosalina, Sonic, Diddy, Bowser, and Corrin go even or more against Mario.

bunch of faggots how are you not talking about melee omfg i hate all of you so much

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>>135633253
You could've at least made an effort not posting anything from that shitty video.

>>135633397
see
>>135632550

>>135633236

>that she can still do

She can't, the fuck are you talking about? You wouldn't be complaining if she could do it anyways.

Her 50/50 kill is gone. Completely.

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>>135632146
>/mhg/ gets close
What are you trying to say nigga?
>>135632434
>Dark Souls
Mi compadre

I just heard "top tier" players just got btfo.
>more balance patches to come
YE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUZOKvYcx_o

>>135633540
I know I'm in /v/ already but I can't believe how can you guys be such faggots

Ok, you were all riding his dick when he put out that blasphemous tier list, now watch this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TacMTv3yTdU

>>135633397
Armada wins, nothing to talk about

>>135633550
Im talking more about her non-grab combo game and needles into bouncing fish

>>135633642
If you watch a tournament only to see who will win then you are doing it wrong. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. Especially now that the god's era is coming to an end.

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>>135633569
There are only a few decent generals and /mhg/ is not one of them. Hoy GK. Let's play some games later tonight.

>>135633070
See>>135632181

>>135633236

Sheik had an advantage on every character not named Ryu, and had an even matchup against Ryu.

It was literally the exact same thing in Brawl with MNite having an advantage over everyone not named Diddy, and having an even matchup against Diddy.

You're literally trying to defend the equivalent of Brawl Metaknight.

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Threadly reminder to come check out next week's Items Tournament.

http://challonge.com/Items02

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Is Falco low key Villager's worst match-up? I can just spam the fuck out of reflect and knock all of his slingshots back at him with minimal effort and he can't even punish me for it.

>>135633263
>thousand hours

Fuck that, it takes at least 10 thousand hours to get good with Sheik. Some of her tech alone takes a thousand hours to get fully consistent with. I even see players who have put well over 10 thousand ours into her like Mr R consistently fuck up her tech (not noticable to most people, but to people like me who has nearly 20k games with her, I can spot these things).

And it is very true that Sheik is not worth the time investment now. Casual characters like Cloud, Rosa, and even Mario have it better. Oh no, you have to learn some Luma setups. Big fucking deal.

>>135633723

Go watch some tourney play and see how many grab kills vs non-grab kills there are.

She has no reliable setups into Bouncing Fish, even less so now that FAir lost it's Z-Axis hitboxes.

She has no reliable kill setups at all.

She's not going to low Tier, but she's already lost her advantage against Fox, Pikachu, ZSS, and a few more.

>>135633958
Villager has plenty of non-projectile attacks.

>>135633806
To be honest yeah it's terrible, but at least they post more games than in here

what's your rank?G3 Gold Crown here

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>>135633161
Yeah.
Wanna fight?

>>135633260
No, Master Hand is.

>>135633837
All I see is somebody posting about how gay they are for Mario.
What does that have to do with anything?

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AYY LMAO

Just played some games with my main, Sheik, and holy fuck this is depressing. Can't even killed till 160+% percent despite putting in tons of effort. Mario walks up and upsmashes you for the kill at 80.

Fuck this game. Yes, I am salty, and I have good reason to be.

>>135634357
Just counterpick to Cloud if you want to beat Mario like holy shit.

>>135634357
>"Wahh! The best character isn't the best anymore, so I don't want to play them anymore! Wahh!"

>>135633958
It's Charizard

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>>135633039
>slow
>it also lingers
Haha how pleb are you dude??

>>135634357
Soft nair.

anyone else using a pirated copy of the DLC on 3DS? I've been having trouble installing as cia on my cfw 3DS

I install 1.1.5 as a cia and then do the DLC file, boot up the game and it doesn't detect the DLC.

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>>135634169
I play mh very casually. I don't even post in the thread, I just lurk a lot. Still rank 7 in GH. I meant sm4sh games.

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Hey guys a little advice?
I'm looking over some of the changes and they all seem pretty strightforward.
I pocket a corrin and he's one of the few characters that Ii can't tell has changed at least from notes.
About to download the patch what should I expect to change in my playstyle?
(other than Counter being more balanced and having damage correction)

>>135633958
not unless youre a terrible scrub villager that doesnt adapt when shit isnt working
even without slingshot villager memes on falco offstage

>>135634205
I remember Master Hand's blood being the usual red.

>>135634357

There's like 7 characters that kick Mario's shit in.

Pick up a pocket like EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON WHO DOESN'T MAIN SHEIK.

and stop bitching about your technicality and how much your skills have been wasted. QAC's are the most difficult techniques to master in the game, and all Pikachu players have pockets for the Mario/Ness matchups (use to have them for the Sheik matches too).

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>>135634357
>sheikfags

>>135634205
I hate the fucker but tbqhm8 mario can completely shut down wft

>>135634723
>QAC's are the most difficult techniques to master in the game
>Pikachu mains actually believe this

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>>135634723
>tfw Mario actually has a bad MU with Bowser but no one will believe me

>>135634723
Nah ill just learn the matchup instead of playing your faggy counterpick game

>plup

>>135634120
Do you actually think that Sheik's 50/50 was her entire meta? Because it really isn't. Just wait and see - Sheik loyalists will find new tech and more kill setups. You can't ignore her frame data and raw kill power

Sheik mains have to actually use their entire character now, as opposed to just spamming her strongest moves and nothing else. This is why ZeRo is beside himself but Mr.R and Void have a more reasonable reaction to this.

>My character with no bad matchups didn't need to be nerfed.

>>135635000
Trips of truth
Sheik will rise again as number 1 once sheik carried shitters have been filtered out

>>135634881
If they spam cape enough it can be difficult but you can't grab people in the air.
I see a dedicated Mario main being able to compete against Wii Fit Trainer but you can't just pick Mario and win against her. You'll just embarrass yourself after you lose.

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>>135634905
>Character with combo throws
>Can Stuff out high recovery with FLUDD
>bad matchups against a heavyweight

>>135634578

Corrin's counter got nerfed as is no longer an auto stock loss on fully charged smashes.

His U-Air is worse, it does less damage, doesn't combo into anything, and kills ~10% later.

His Nair and Fair are better combo attacks, but the combo usually tops after 3 or so hits because Corrin's air and ground speed took a hit.

He's pretty much the same, you just have to work a little harder to kill and to get back on stage. None of his matchups were really changed except for Fox (who has an definite advantage now - before it was a debatable 55-45 in fox's favour, now it's a 60-40)

>>135634905
bowsers a legit slept on pocket option, but theres no way in fuck he has a +anything against uair: the character
maybe if he had escape options when airborne, but he doesnt and only eats marginally less shit than charizard once he gets scooped up

>>135635497
>Ness main knowing shit about Bowser's Matchups
Go get 2:8ed somewhere else

the fuckin city of plup

Who switched from maining shiek after the patch? Be honest /ssbg/

>>135635397
Huh, Ok thanks.
You sure about U-air? Because it got KBG up to compensate. Was that tested?
Also glad Smash attacks and Spear are same, and stunball can still kill confirm.

>>135634905
The heavy Mario has a bad matchup against is Donkey Kong, not Bowser.

>>135635662
I don't main sheik but I have been entertaining the thought of truly dual maining

>>135635643
m2k is all over him

Who are the most fundamental based characters in Melee/Brawl/Sm4sh?

>>135635190
Bowser can jump out of u-tilt spam, but that's not the problem, the problem is that Mario cannot approach Bowser period. If Mario even touches Bowser shield he will get punished with an oos up special, no exceptions. And that's only if Mario can get passed Bowser who can wall him out completely with u-tilt, jab, n-air, f-tilt. Mario can only bait and try to punish with grab combos, he won't actually be able to kill Bowser unless he gets a hard read with up smash. Punishing is hard with Mario because by the time he gets to Bowser after staying out of his range, he can fucking shield or roll away due to the lack of lag on jab or f-tilt.

>>135635747
I've never had problems with Donkey Kong actually.

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>>135635618
>ness main

>>135635687

Yup, it's already been tested, U-Air kills at higher percents now. (Smash boards has the notes for it). It's knockback growth got compensated to make sure Corrin couldn't chain U-Airs together.

Spear and Smashes are just as good as they used to be. Stunball is a bit different since it does less damage, so those kill confirms are still real but require different percents than before.

Basically you can play Corrin just like you used to without people bitching about his counter. Watch out for Fox (and possibly Charizard) now though.

>>135636002
Mario and the Pits

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>>135636265
Wrong picture.

>>135636119
Autocanceled bair, landing nair, and landing bair all let mario shield/jab the startup of whirling fortress

lets go dajuan

>>135635662
still maining sheik but trying to play diddy in the meantime.

>>135636517
Epic. Bowser's u-tilt beats bair options, and even if you land behind him he can follow up with side-b instantly.

>>135634913

>with enough practice, I can beat tiers and matchups - I don't need to learn anyone else

Jesus, it's only Smash players that do this. Street Fighter, MvC, Guilty Gear - all the other fighting game communities recognize the shortfalls of characters and are encouraged to master 2-3 characters. Learning the matchup sometimes means admitting your character can't cut it against another, and that's common sense in every other fucking fighting game at the tourney level.

Why do Sheik fags do this to themselves?

>>135636002
>melee
marth
>brawl
>fundamentals
>4
probably fox or falcon

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>>135636286
Noted, thanks chum.
He's my only character that got changed this time. Other than gannon buffs again.
Counter decerved a nerf DESU senpai. Shit was pretty cheese.

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Salty MK main passing by to say fuck you all and fuck this game.

>tfw pic is relevant again

>>135636798

Did you not fucking read?

Auto canceled b-air leads straight into jab. There is no move Bowser has that beats that out.

The constant random and unnecessary balancing is part of what makes Smash 4 such a bad game.

It leads to a community of entitled kids who won't git gud, and instead are content to complain until Sakurai "fixes" things for them. It makes it seem like there's no reason to even play the game, because you could be putting in the hours to learn a character and then have it all be for naught because Nintendo decided to listen to the whiners.

I feel for Sheik mains, they didn't really deserve this. She was the weakest top tier in the series already.

>>135636798
>Mario cannot approach Bowser period. If Mario even touches Bowser shield he will get punished with an oos up special, no exceptions.
Sounds like someone who is losing to camping in shield so I offered an option/exception. If the opponent is in shield, there's no reason to be worried about an up tilt

>>135636868
There's nothing wrong with a bit of character loyalty. The Sheik vs. Mario matchup can't be that terrible anyway.

>>135637068
>I feel for Sheik mains, they didn't really deserve this
Her needles alone shut down half the cast

>>135636904
Why the fuck are you salty?

Your U-Air chains still work, they're just stricter and have less room for error.

You got new Fair chains into a ton of moves.

Literally no matchup for you changed except for the one against Olimar, which is still in metaknight's favour, it's just not an 80-20 anymore.

>>135637202


>there's nothing wrong with a bit of character loyalty

Literally only delusional Smashfags think this.

>>135636876
Fox and Falco in 4? Maybe Falco in any case. What makes you think this?

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>>135637068

Balance isn't why smash 4 is a bad game; it being as boring and uninteresting as shit is why it's a bad game. Just from a balance perspective, it's getting about as good as a smash game can get

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>>135637068
>I feel for Sheik mains, they didn't really deserve this

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Just a reminder that Tomorrow is /ssbg/'s 3DS Singles Tournament:

http://challonge.com/PovertyTourney9

*Doubles Tournament got cancelled

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>"up close and personnel"

>>135637124
Not him but nobody just keeps their shield out in the open.

>>135637068
Didn't Sakurai quit? I think it's the remaining team doing the balancing and maintenance work now.

>>135637068
The game is only 2 years old, m8. Plus there's new DLC characters that would inevitably need balance tweaking. You can't fault the dev team for that

>>135637592
Smash 4 is bad because it will forever be an approach first and lose simulator due to lack of shieldstun and hitstun

What the shit, why is there a giant crowd and 20k people watching Smash

>>135637603
>tomorrow
>>135632056
Yo, I lied.

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>>135637068

Hold on a second. What exactly are you guys trying to criticize about? Roster balance or quality of the game overall?

>>135637498
Not everyone is a tier/matchup whore like you

>>135637887
They're not trying to criticize anything.
They're just complaining for complaining's sake.

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>>135637865
And I was playing pretty good today too.

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>>135637960
Then the whole discussion is a subtle lie? I'm aware of the usual shitposting, but that's even worse.

>>135637068

>patching makes a game bad

Holy fuck. Other games release patches with the fucking framedata changes for everyone to see and everyone loves it. Smash has the fucking most back-asswards community I've ever seen.

>Sheik was the weakest top tier of the series

She was pretty much Brawl's Metaknight reincarnated. She had literally one even matchup on specific stages - everyone else was at a disadvantage.

>>135638021
Genuinely thought it was today. My bad.

>>135638102
What about Diddy Kong when he used to hold the top position?

>>135638075

It's Smash, what did you expect?

Not that it isn't a real fighting game, but it sure doesn't have a real fighting game community.

>>135638075
It's 4chan.
Whatever word is the new buzzword of the month gets used out of context as a derogetory word for everything "bad", e.g. cuck, autism, etc.

Most "discussions" revolve around "This is bad." and "No. It's good idiot." without elaborating on what exactly makes it "bad" or "good."

It's all just shitposting where each person tries to find people to agree with their sports team mentality.

>>135638253
>but it sure doesn't have a real fighting game community.
you mean not enough niggers, not enough retarded drama, or not enough shady shit?

>who the best, hoody or pame?

>>135638102

>She was pretty much Brawl's Metaknight reincarnated

people who say tis never played brawl at a high level. Sheik is a joke compared to brawl mk. There are at least 10 characters that go near 50/50 with prepatch sheik

>"i liek bagels XD"
Holy fuck.
This stupid "esports" bullshit is stupid.
Why do we need that "epic" music and these crazy interviews with high production values?
What the fuck is this?

>>135638246

Diddy had two even matchups on pretty much every stage, but he dominated the rest of the cast as well or even harder than Sheik.

It's about even between Brawl MNite, SSB4 Sheik and SSB4 Diddy, but they're all better than SSBM Fox or SSB(J) Pikachu.

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>>135638253
>It's Smash, what did you expect?

Honest opinions.

>>135638537
>who's the best
>shitposting avatarfag or cuck

>>135638594
>he doenst know about the spirt of smash bros
I kekked gud

>>135638594
>not liking bagels
look at this nerd

>>135638594
You don't have to watch it if you don't like it

>>135638712
What good about it, Anon?
Tell me.
How about you defend your point rather than just trying to brush off any opposition to it.

>>135638683

>cuck

Explain.

>>135638683
Lol
In terms of skill?

>>135638580

>there are at least 10 characters that go 10/10
>ZeRo's already said that prepatch Sheik had at most one maybe even matchup with Ryu and even that was iffy

I'm going to trust the best player in the game instead of a random salty Sheik main.

>>135638102
not him but you can agree that this to an extent.
most patches are different versions,or games. smash 4's balance cycle is similar to mobas rather than other fighting games.

>Sheik was the weakest top tier of the series
comparing top tiers

nothing is worse or comparable to he bullshit that was brawl metaknight
motherfucker made bawl icies look tame

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>>135638397
And that's acceptable? Do you guys think that's acceptable?

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>people always complain about Samus being the worst
>fastest charging neutral b projectile in the game and it still KOs
>missiles are super annoying
>aerials are good
>get KO'd by her bair at 100%
>press up b for an instant recovery move with KO potential
>down b able to move away or out of several maneuvers

This is a meme right

>>135638580

>10 characters that go 50/50 with prepatch shiek
>10 characters that go even with Shiek
>10

This has to be a new record for how delusional someone can be

>>135639004
No.
Where did I say it was acceptable?
I've given up on this general and this entire website.

Tkbreezy is not cut out for the "esports" scene.

>>135638861
>ZeRo not assblasted about nerfed sheik
HA

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>>135639009

If you're getting wrecked by a Samus pre-patch, it's time for you to stop playing.

>>135639009
Not the worst at all. The complaints are that she heavily underperforms compared to her previous incarnations and especially compared to ZSS.

She can still put up a fight, but it's obvious how she got dragged down the line in this game.

>>135639139
Ive never liked him, and I don't really understand why people do

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>>135639009
>>fastest charging neutral b projectile in the game and it still KOs
It's literally the only thing she has over other characters.

>>missiles are super annoying
lol

>>aerials are good
>Uair doesn't always connect every hit
>Fair was only recently "fixed"
>Nair and Bair is difficult to hit small characters with while also being fairly slow for what they do

>>get KO'd by her bair at 100%
lol

>>press up b for an instant recovery move with KO potential
>a move that KOs at 140% is crazy guys!

>>down b able to move away or out of several maneuvers
>has horrendous end lag and leaves Samus completely open

git gud

>>135639337
It's not pre-patch. People just always like to jump to Samus as the worst when she really isn't. Like all the other projectile spammers in the game, she can be a real drag to play against.

>>135638852
definitely hoody, i think he's the best the 3ds has to offer

>>135639216
ESAM, Mr. R, and Void all said virtually the same thing pre-patch.

Though it is great to see how upset ZeRo got over the Sheik gutting.

>>135639105
You didn't, I was just asking. I'm sorry.

>>135639009
>down b able to do ANYTHING AT ALL
That's a very recent fix

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>>135638594
what kind of faggot doesn't like bagels? kill yourself

2GG | VoiD (James) @2GGVoiD 10h10 hours ago
To Sheiks: Learn the bouncing fish 50/50s + true combo kills (not involving nair/bair/needles) and get better with Vanish.

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>>135639009
>fastest charging neutral b projectile in the game
It's literally the slowest by less than a second.

>missiles are super annoying
They're slow and easy to power shield.

>aerials are good
Whoopie.

>get KO'd by her bair at 100%
Maybe you shouldn't be playing Mewtwo or Zelda.

>press up b for an instant recovery move with KO potential
It has no hitbox whatsoever covering the top and bottom portion of her morph ball state and is also pretty slow when used in the air.
Does not KO until 150%.

>down b able to move away or out of several maneuvers
Are you serious?
You want her to just instantly lose a stock when she Down Bs? What the hell are you complaining about?

>>135639494

>not prepatch Samus

Then no one's calling her the worst.

She definitely underperforms compared to the majority of the cast, but she's much better than D3 and Jiggs now. She's sitting next to Mac in low Tier at the moment, which is decent.

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>>135639491
>I'm gonna post lol instead of any real arguments or rebuttals because it makes me feel good
All that is true. The bair kill just happened to me a few moments ago.

>>135639715
I was Shulk when the bair killed me at 100, actually. And good aerials is an actual point. Just because you want to pretend it's not doesn't make it a bad one.

Thanks for proving that only faggots like Samus.

>>135638817
it's a melee tourney? What are you, retarded?

>>135639726

>Marth

>Low tier

Not anymore.

>>135639726
>low Tier at the moment, which is decent.
A shit character being less shit doesn't mean "decent" in any sense of the word.

>>135639895
Bair is literally her only reliable kill move.
It's stupid predictable, and you're bad for complaining about it.

>>135639957
He said Mac you dyslexic fuck

>>135640012
Fuck off. Samus players are fags.

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>>135639895
>bad characters aren't allowed to have good aerials
Thanks for proving just how retarded Shulk players are.

>all these first-party Wii U game ads, like the event is sponsored by Ninty alone
Nintendo showing up late and pretending they suddenly care about the Melee scene is the biggest fraud show of all time

>>135638594
Maybe Smash 4 would get events like this if your community put in some actual work?

I want my ass to get dominated by a large cock.

>>135640167
I don't want ANY Smash to get events like this.
Can you read?

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>>135639715
>Mac, Doc, and Puff
Good taste pal

http://challonge.com/RevivalOfvpm1
Startnig in 3 hours, come be the one guy who actually plays in tournaments and win

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>>135640216
Right here.

>>135640140
Because she's not bad. I'm convinced this is a meme to get her even more buffs because people love to projectile spam and be fags.

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>>135640216
>picture is a girl

>>135640425
Get bent trap

>>135640428
Play Sheik.
Or Sonic.
Or Little Mac.
Or literally any fast character that isn't slow and laggy like Shulk is.

Hell, play Falco if you're too stupid.

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>>135640428
>Losing to Samus

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>>135640614
>you will never be a qt dom trap with a large cock

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>>135640849
>sexualing link

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>Samus gets a shitload of buffs
>Fucking Link gets buffs
>Charizard gets buffs
>meanwhile Greninja actually gets a few nerfs with minor buffs for whatever reason and Shulk remains unchanged

Well, I guess Bayonetta and Corrin being nerfed is nice. I just wish any of the characters I found fun would get some love for once. It's starting to not become as fun to play because they're being left in the dust and could use buffs.

>>135640005

I meant decent for her, since she was nearly fucking last before.

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>>135640949
>wanting me to dump my Link lewds this badly
Nah.

>>135641113
good
keep posting traps instead of link

>>135641101
>Greninja
>More in need of buffs than Samus/Link/Zard
FG shitters, everyone

>>135641101
Greninja is pretty viable, anon

>>135640849
>trap
>dom
I think you're doing it wrong

>>135641185
>>135641260
Nigger Greninja has been needing buffs since his initial big nerf. I never said the others didn't, but he's been long due for some changes. And he sure as hell doesn't need fucking nerfs.

>check thread
>people complaining about God knows what
Nevermind back to pokken, garchomp rape is fun

>>135641101

>Greninja nerfed

Here's his changes:

Dash Attack:
>Hitbox: 9-12F -> 7-10F
>Total Duration: 32F -> 30F
Standing Grab Startup: 14F -> 11F
Fair Landing Lag: 18F -> 15F
Bair Landing Lag: 16F -> 13F
Bonk: Headbonk angle changed (survival-ability improved)

What fucking nerf are you talking about?

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>>135640849
>trap
>the dom
>not the submissive bottom bitch

>>135640515
sorry I just want to get pounded

>>135641376
Greninja didn't get any nerfs.
3DS Greninja was bullshit. He deserved at least half of it 2bh.

>>135641376
Maybe you should actually look at the tools your character has instead of bitching for buffs

>>135638537

Pame posted pics were hoody lost against him.

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>>135641376
I forget what was the nerf that cursed him with the crummy trend of Greninja only ever getting nerfs from then on.

>>135641376

Greninja didn't get a nerf this patch, what the hell are you talking about?

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>>135641171
Both.

>>135641352
>he doesn't want to be humiliated by having a guy in a dress dom him
Are you fucking gay?

>>135641467
>he thinks he's high test enough to dom
Lift this skirt up and blow me, faggot.

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>>135641465
>survival-ability