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> forgets m2k stuck his "tip" in nintendudes ass

Reminder that MacD is the cutest smasher

anybody got tips for playing as luigi?

I know to fire ball into down throw then combos.
tornado seems like a good recovery option

>>135546790
You better not be the one coming first, anon.

>>135547410
Bring the rope

S2J

STOP MISSING THE GUARANTEED SHIT

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Let's continue to have a cute night anons.

Nst for Boxer is best boxer

>>135546848
No, i know its gonna be a sausage fest there

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>falcon
>viable
sorry s2j

who /ssbgtrap/ here?

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>>135547445
Don't worry, I have lots of endurance~

>>135546712
Sm4sh is gay
Brawl was more competitive

>you'll never live out your fantasy with your /ssbg/bando

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>>135548315
*picks metaknight*
*trips u*

>this video

kanye confirmed for suing sxsw

>>135548506
trips was a gameplay mechanic to keep matches from going one-sided, kinda like the rage mechanic in 4

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I thought we were having dubs.
These games are really slow and the input lag is tangible.

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>>135548481
just masturbate and get over it, nerd

>>135548967
I cant
it hurts daily

>>135546848
No one needs to join your 2-bit circlejerk tournaments anymore chazo

Leave

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>>135548870
>these people exist
no, just fuck off

>>135548963
Waiting on the fourth myself. But guess we are stuck to rotations. Going to make this my last one.

>>135548967
>tfw umbrella wont be a playable character and got a filia clone instead
KMS

Hi /ssbg/, I recently watched m2k play Cloud at Shots Fired 2 and he made the character look pretty fun. I know Cloud is considered to be $5.99 pay to win though. Should I buy him and be a $5.99 cuck or just stick to the original characters?

>>135549368
who cares what faggots think of you playing a paid character
the only thing you have to worry about is not liking cloud

>>135549210
>these people take smash way too seriously
Please after you

>>135549368
if you want to play him just buy him, don't worry about it too much
m2k's cloud is boring as fuck though

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Ggs Hoody and Tino. Fun rotations, pity we couldn't get doubles going.

>>135549368
Lmao holy shit you are a cuck for thinking that p2w is actually a thing

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>>135549605
>haha getting fucked in the ass for running too much is a legit gameplay mechanic dude! you're just taking it too seriously!
imagine not being able to block for no reason in street fighter 50% of the time
even fucking SAKURAI acknowledged that tripping is pants on head
seriously remove yourself from the gene pool

>>135549853
>Taking the b8 this hard
m8....stop replying

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>>135550030
>m-merely pretending!
you sure trolled me good!

>>135550107
I'm not even the guy you were responding to initially

And yes you were getting trolled, I'm so sorry ;(

>>135550293
>it's not even me! you were being epicly trolled the whole time!
xD

>>135550107
>>135550293
lol you anons

Brb imma be playing adventure mode in brawl

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>no leffen

So Mewtwo seems fucking legit now. Heading for a tournament tomorrow, so I met up with a couple of friends to get some practice in with the new patch, and decided to give some characters a second try, and I really fell in love with Mewtwo.

I'm gonna use him as first pick in the tournament, and if things go well, I'm gonna keep using him. If nothing else, I should at least be able to snag some wins by lack of matchup experience.

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After coming back from ForGlory, getting beat down hard as Corrin. Aerials are easy to dodge, dragon lunge gives too much time to shield, StunDash don't work anymore, Smashes have way to much startup.
Literally how to I kill,
Being a dragon is hard...

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>Clearly can do stuff offline and can powershield damn near everything.
>Try playing online and able to see shit coming, but input delay.

This is absolute hell.
What should I do, it's really demoralizing.

1V1 anyone?

Why are you now into mewto? Last week you wouldnt even bat an eye, now after a buff you hopping on that proverbial dick

>>135551148
I'll play you, my NNID is Crs2525

>>135551148
FC?

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>>135551000

>>135551000
>dragon lunge gives too much time to shield
You're just slow as fuck and not doing the instant lunge..

>>135551000
The nerfs haven't affected the way I play Corrin that much, just takes a bit more time to build damage. Granted, I hardly ever play online, I just play in local tourneys and against tourneyfag friends. Short-hop fairs and nairs are your friends.

Also, by far the best way to use Dragon Lunge is to activate it instantly. Press Side-B then immediately press A. Just roll your thumb over on A. You'll stab the ground right away, making the move a lot safer to use.

>>135551332
Hosting

>>135551159
I was excited by the first DLC character and bought him on release, played nothing but him for weeks,etc etc.

Once I gotten a good feel for how he was I decided to drop him again and go back to my main. Even now, my main is still better than mewtwo so I honestly still don't care about the character.

>>135551056
Find some friends to play with offline. Or just the local tourney scene.

>>135551159
I suppose you meant to reply to >>135550706.

I tried to play and like Mewtwo, but I just didn't find him good/fun enough. It's not just about his ranking in the tiers either, I play a ton of Wii Fit because I find her to be really fun to play as, despite being kinda shit.

It's just that his changes over time have made me like him a lot more. I don't really choose my characters based on fanboyism, I play characters solely based on whether I find them fun to play.

>>135550679
you really want to see him get 3-0d by m2k again?

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>>135548742

>>135551056
Adjust. People will john over even the slightest delay but then you've got Nairo destroying people both online and off because he knows how to do that, which I'd say is a quality that separates good and mediocre players.

Is panchito is the best player here?

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Anybody wanna play Smash 4 3DS?

>>135552402
Ye

>>135552402
Nah

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If I just want to start the game and win with minimal effort, which character should I play?

>>135553483
Mario

>>135553483
Mario or Cloud

What are the counters for Cloud, Corrin, and Bayonetta?

I've heard Ryu's decent against Cloud and that Pikachu's pretty good against Bayonetta, and I know Corrin isn't any higher than mid (but I don't know specifically who counters him).

>>135553483

Mario.

D-Throw -> U-Tilt for 35% damage works on 94% of the cast. It works on Ganondorf and Bowser twice.

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:3

>>135553561
>>135553742
>>135554131
Eh.
Mario's alright I guess but you have to actually need to get near people.
And Cloud you need to make an effort not to get edgeguarded.

Is this really the best there is in terms of easy wins?

>>135554303
Are you fucking serious?
What? You want a character that automatically takes you to the victory screen after you select them?

>>135554303
>Mario's alright I guess but you have to actually need to get near people.
Then just be a laggy rolling link ahhh on FG, but know that you'll never beat anyone worth a shit.

>>135554303
I hate people with this mentality

>>135554429
>You want a character that automatically takes you to the victory screen after you select them?
Yeah.
What part of minimal effort do you not understand?

Guys, I'm playing Melee with some friends via Dolphin netplay but we suck and we're having a hard time finding the correct ammount of radius and deadzone for the control stick. We can't seem to be pulling out smashes properly and we think it's because of that. Any tips?

>>135554303

Yes. Mario's the best beginner's character, and has the lowest skill ceiling.
Diddy used to be the best because Hoo Hah, but that got patched out.

Metaknight's UAir shenanigans are still possible, but you need to practice them A LOT to not die instantly, since there is NO room for error anymore.

Sheik got nerfed to hell and then some, and ZSS isn't doing so well. They're both technical characters as well.

Fox is decent, but you have to memorize a lot of strings on different characters in order to really do well.

Ness was great until his flowchart options got pruned.

Bayonetta requires waaaaay too much technical skill and practice in order to capitalize on her combos and kill people.

Pikachu's a pretty straightfoward character except for his Quick Attack, which is needed to actually start winning. It's probably the most complex move in the game, since there's just so many applications.

Rosalina requires very, very specific Luma movements to continuously win the neutral. It's not recommended for beginners at all.

Cloud is about as good as Mario, but his recovery really fucks him over, especially for beginners who don't keep track of their limit charge.

>>135553964
Pikachu wins all three of those, charizard does surprisingly well against bayonetta, honestly just play Pikachu. New best character in the game

>>135554843
What controller dumbass

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>>135554825

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>>135555070
woops. I'm using this Chillstream and my friend is using a Logitech F310. They're basically, playstation controllers.

>>135555067

Mind you Pikachu gets stomped by Rosalina (who can't take a Metaknight worth a fuck)

It's nice that we finally have a rounded out top-tier though, where no one character has perfect matchups.

>>135551159
Yeah people are gonna tier whore for m2
baka farm why do people need to justify their character choices to scrubs like you

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>Tripping is fine Guys!

>>135555091
>playing with a gamepad
>winning
This must be one of those new mods that's popping up because that would never happen in reality.

>>135555015
>bayonetta
>technical
Lmao
>cloud as good as Mario
>implying Mario is as good as cloud
>implying cloud doesn't have the second best neutral in the game
>implying cloud isn't potentially the best character in the game now
What

>>135554303

Yup.

If you want to win from far away, you have to put in a lot of effort.

Projectiles not called Thunder Jolt won't create easy wins at all, and you have to devote yourself to learning how to QAC if you want to use T-Jolt effectively.

>>135555254
That looks awful
just make sure you calibrate it in windows controller settings and see how far you need to move your stick to hit the edges in the controller menu

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so how long do you think these will be around for?

>>135555407

Did you actually read or are you retarded?

He asked who's good for a beginner.

Bayonetta's inputs are waaay too technical for a beginner to Smash (they have a hard time performing fucking Hadoken's for christ sake).

Beginners also fuck up Cloud's Limit Charge all the time and die when Climhazzard doesn't reach.

Mario's obviously not as good as Cloud competitively (who gets Pikaraped anyways) but that's not what his question was.

>>135555676
Long enough. They're shit though.

>>135555974
what about them? shoulders?

>>135555379
Is that horse fucking her?

>>135556060
Nah it's just Epona and Zelda playing Twister.

>>135555705
The only people who fuck up hadoken/abk inputs are the people who dont even know the inputs. Bayonetta is straightforward and easy, her inputs arent hard even for a beginner, otherwise nobody would have played her in the first week just like ryu. Cloud isn't hard either, just camp with limit and get the to like 70 then limit cross slash them at the edge

>>135556058
Pretty much. Not everyone has spare shoulder buttons and a tri wing screwdriver to fix that, so if you end up getting a bad one you'll have to deal with that.

>>135555539
It is! It's just for now while my adapter doesn't come around. Thanks for the tip, will do!

>>135556187
>epona
>zelda

which ouya spinoff game was that again? The one where Zelda has brown eyes and Epona is white?

>>135556214

>The only people who fuck up hadoken/abk inputs are the people who dont even know the inputs.
>people who dont even know the inputs.
>ust camp with limit and get the to like 70 then limit cross slash them at the edge
>percentage specific

you don't know what a beginner is, do you?

>>135556560
Yeah and this is beginner shit. Unless you're an absolute fucking retard 11 year old who doesn't even know what the word input means smash is straightforward and easy to get into, the hard part is getting good

>people say pikachu is top tier
>when he loses to several characters including low tiers
when will this meme die

>>135556850
Pika is in thr same situation as Sheik now, good neutral but struggles killing. Sheik is still worse off since the nerf.

Also reposting this since the other thread was kinda dead thanks to the tourney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EsNGzo62qo

>>135556850
Pikachus only bad matchup is mario the fuck are you talking about lmao

>>135557080
pikachu has a worse neutral than sheik so he's still worse, all this means is that sheik is closer to pikachu than she was before

>>135557269
play the character

>>135557335

Sheik lost her needles and Fair's priority, so she actually has a worse neutral than Pikachu now - at least on stages with platforms.

>>135557269

Pikachu loses to Rosalina, not Mario.

>>135556850

What fucking low tiers are you talking about?

>>135557080
NNID?

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>Sheik gets nerfed
>Pikachu is the other fast character that can't kill
>So Pikachu is the new Sheik
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Pikachu is still Pikachu. Nothing has changed about him.

>>135557637
pikachu arguably beats rosalina, it's not a good mu but it's better than mario, who lied to you that pikachu doesn't get bodied by mario

pikachu loses to game and watch and arguably doc in low tier

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>>135556254
>tfw wavebird that has been dead for 10 years saved me from those awful shoulder buttons

Also wavebird receivers aren't cheap and I got an extra one, might sell it for extra dosh.

Is the blue frog any easier to pick up and play with the most recent patch? I like him, but I'm not technical.

>>135557335
I do play the character, his neutral and edgeguarding ability fucks over everyone but characters that can match and that was only Sheik and Ness and sorta GW, Sheik because of that neutral and Ness/GW because of the hitboxes fucking up QA so Pikachu's footsies aren't godlike but if you know what you're doing you can still beat him in the neutral and then just edgeguard Ness to death at essentially 0, GW not so much. Mario is bad for the same reason as prepatch Luigi except not as bad. He loses to nobody in low tier

>>135557637
Pikachu beats Rosa, while it isn't a fun matchup at all

>>135557821
Pikachu is the new sheik because he only has 1, MAYBE 2 "losing" matchups

>>135557706
New one is Mootykinz. Previous one was a friend's machine and nnid.

>>135558324
The only thing Greninja got is a few frames off grab and 2 frames off dash attack. So no.

>>135557821
sheik is still good anyways, just needs to be more creative later on rather than just spam needles and throw to win

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Just pulled this off and I feel like a god

>>135558401
danbi?

>>135558538
I mean it would be hard to pull off against a player who had a fast nair, dodged or DI'd but you're having fun so no h8

>>135558538
You can jump out of those u-tilts

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>>135558538

>>135558538
>recording yourself beating up CPUs

>>135558401
>Pikachu is the new sheik because he only has 1, MAYBE 2 "losing" matchups
But he's nowhere near Sheik.

He doesn't have a 50/50.
His projectile isn't all that fast.
He doesn't have throw followups at every percent.

Need a new GCN Pad, official or are the unofficial ones decent?

>>135558843

You're right that Pikachu's not anywhere close to Sheik's level, but

>His projectile isn't all that fast.

His projectile isn't meant to hit and rack up damage, it's used to force the opponent to jump or shield.

>>135558939
Always official for Smash.

>>135558939
Get an official one made sometime around the Wii era, because they have the best joysticks.

>>135559072
>>135559090
Figured as much.

>>135558843
He does actually have a 50/50 out of upthrow, why do people keep saying he doesn't? Its been explained dozens of times also what >>135559034 said, his projectile isn't meant to rack up damage like Sheiks. Its also not a broken tool in the neutral

>>135558416
Oh. I already have you added then.

>Shiek still wins everywhere because surprise, she's perfectly safe and that's the ONLY thing that actually fucking mattered

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>melee's viewerbase

>>135559460
People still need time to adjust to the new MU

>>135559460
If she actually had punishable moves other than dsmash which no one uses

>>135559667
What new MU? She wins neutral over and over until she wins, only thing that changed was how long it takes.

>>135559460

She doesn't.

Several tourneys since the patch have already happened, and Sheik's lost to fucking Luigi's and Ness' of all people.

She lost a lot of neutral ground when they fucked over her needles. She also lost her main kill option - so even if she's safe, she has a hell of a time killing people.

The comparisons to Pikachu are a little misplaced, because while Sheik actually has kill moves she has no real way to set up into them anymore.
Pikachu has shit for kill moves, but that's because he's supposed to be gimping the opponent more so than blowing them into the blast zone.

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>>135559034
>His projectile isn't meant to hit and rack up damage
And Sheik's was?
Even now, Sheik's is better at forcing a reaction and stopping approaches.
Most of the time I can perfect shield Thunder Jolt just fine and avoid any grab attempts by Pikachu.

>>135559218
>He does actually have a 50/50 out of upthrow
Except that's not a 50/50.

>rack up damage like Sheiks
It really pains me to hear something like that.
Sheik's Needles were never a way to rack up damage.
They're a way to condition your opponent and force them to respect you.
Or would you just dash at a Sheik with charged needles? No, you'd be paranoid and start shielding left and right waiting for the moment Sheik throws them.
Or you'd be jumping out of shield to try and get near Sheik.
And that gives the Sheik player a lot of info about you and your playstyle.

>>135551554
GGs man
That was my first time playing cloud, anything really bad stand out?

>>135559780
But needles are irrelevant now, and Fair can be traded with or even lose trades. She doesn't dominate neutral as hard as before

>>135559570
vocal minority, to be fair
the sort of scum that uses twitch chats

>>135559780

It's great that she wins neutral over and over, but then so fucking what? She has the hardest fucking time actually killing people now. Getting the neutral was never, ever a problem for her - getting kills was, and now it's a bigger problem than ever.

>>135559354
I've wanted to play more but couldn't update my game before archiving replays from 1.1.4. Too tired tonight but I'll be up for games tomorrow.

>>135559460
Sheik will win some but not nearly as much. Also depends if top players jump ship like what happened with Diddy. Being safe doesn't matter all that much when you can't kill. Sheik struggled killing before, now her only reliable method is gone and we've already been seeing the consequences. All of Karna's games went to like fucking 170% before he could kill and if he wasn't playing shitters he would have gotten destroyed. Most Sheik's wont be killing until near 200%, and reminder that she can't really combo past 100 outside of a few rare things like soft hit nair to bf.

>>135559893
Ggs. He's pretty braindead. Watch m2k play and mimic his play style and you should be good

>>135559780

>She wins neutral over and over

Fucking how?

The only dominated neutral before because of needles and fair, and both aren't as useful.

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>instead of giving Sheik her old Back Air they buffed Down Smash

>>135559780

>wins neutral over and over and over and over until the opponent's @ 200%
>still can't blow the fucker away because she lost all her kill setups

Yeah, winning neutral's not everything. Pikachu can take neutral from literally anybody if there's a platform, but he's not S-Tier because his kill options suck, and now sheik's are even worse.

>>135559842
Pikachus main kill moves are fsmash, thunder, upsmash, ftilt, and nair. While they aren't plentiful they're still there

>>135559892
>except that's not a 50/50
yes it is you dumb fuck, DI left or no DI and you can still hit it with a rar thunder because the hitbox is fucking massive. DI right or no DI and you can still hit it because the hitbox is still fucking massive. Its a DI 50/50, if they DI left or not at all and you rar thunder to the left you will still hit it, if they DI right or don't DI and you rar thunder to the right you will still hit it. Its a 50/50 god dammit

>>135560265
They wanted to make Sheik irrelevant, she was stealing DLC money by competing with Cloud, Ryu and Bayo for best spot. Now many Sheiks have either switched or are considering switching to 1 of those three.

>>135560620
I for one welcome our new Ryu____ overlord

>>135560620
Ryu isn't even top 20

>>135560751
you mean the character that loses too many matchups to be the best?
>>135560761
fuck off

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>>135560761
>jab you into kill confirm at 60%
It's up for debate where, but he's definitely in the top 10.

You know.
I've seen a lot of good players trying to make decent roll reads but here's the kicker.
They do this almost every game and it never works because I'm not one to roll towards people.

And I've mean I've seen this happen A LOT.
I can't tell if it's people underestimating my simple style of play or them just not being able to adapt to it.

>>135560939
>Jab
It's Light Up Tilt, cock sucker.

>>135560939
didn't tsrk get nerfed in this patch to not kill as early

>>135560984
You underestimate the amount of people that roll towards center stage any time they're cornered

>>135560984
even if you roll away many smash attacks won't leave them exposed for much since you moved away and have to come back, so it's worth the try, depends on the character of course.

>>135560984
Reading rolls is impossible online, there are not enough frames unless they literally roll right up to your feet. I can predict and correctly read rolls all day, but it doesn't matter. By the time you can punish they have already fallen out of iframes.

>>135561135
Jab works too nerd

>>135560429

>>135560429

>Pikachus main kill moves are fsmash, thunder, upsmash, ftilt, and nair. While they aren't plentiful they're still there

Useful kill moves. Ganondorf's U-Tilt is a kill move, but we don't call it his kill move because it's fucking useless to use it as one (or to use it at all for that matter)
Thunder and U-Smash are Pikachu's only useful kill moves, and even then Thunder's main purpose in a 1v1 is to stall, not to kill.
F-Smash is too fucking laggy on startup and finish to actually be useful for anything but the hardest of reads - but at this point the opponent is practically an open book written in size 72 font, so none of that matters.
FTilt doesn't fucking kill until nearly 200%.
NAir is a gimping tool, not a kill move.

And there's no setups for any of these to kill whatsoever, which is why most Pikachu kills rely on gimping more than blast zoning. He can even afford aerial trades that most other characters couldn't, since he's nearly ungimpable himself.

>Sheik
She actually has several useful kill moves:
USmash
Bouncing Fish
Vanish
UAir
FAir

Her problem is that she can't fucking confirm a setup into any of these now. On top of that, she lost needles' range, so she can't gimp well at all anymore.

>>135561135
Like it fucking matters

>>135561138
I saw no Ryu nerfs in the patchnotes.

>>135561332

No, Jab kill confirm was patched out in 1.0.3. They left light u-tilt in though.

Stop spouting lies.

>>135561673
>Jab kill confirm was patched out
Works on my machine, you just have to DP faster

>>135561673
>1.0.3
what the fuck

>>135561502
Sheik can't kill with uair, bair, or vanish anymore. BF can only kill from rising needle storm (which is predictable, as soon as you see sheik getting into position just shield, jump, or dodge) or soft nair which requires a roll read and is unreliable at best. Most sheiks now will be killing with stale fairs at 170% on recovering opponents, but characters like zss and bayo who cannot be edge guarded are going to run circles around her. Even pika's skull bash makes sheik jealous at this point.

Also you cant just throw out bouncing fish, it doesnt work like that.

>>135561673
>Ryu
>1.0.3

>>135561862

Who the fuck are you using it on?

Bayonetta and Luigi get out of it perfectly fine.

Bowser can't, but I just assumed that was Bowser being fucking fat.

>>135561893

>1.0.3

Obviously I suck cocks and had too many dicks in my mouth to catch that typo.

>>135561673
>1.0.3

your credibility has been lost lmao

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>>135561295
>Reading rolls is impossible online
No, it's not.
I'm doing it right now.

>>135561332
>calling me a nerd

>>135562130
The only change Ryu has had in patches was increasing the frames of his turn around animation.

Jab 1>TSRK is the same as it's always been. If you are literally incapable of doing it, buffer the forward input and jab with the tilt stick.

>>135561502
>comparing a pikachu fsmash to a gannon uptilt
>thinking nair is strictly a gimping tool
>thinking fsmash is to laggy
fsmash comes out on frame 15 and hits below the ledge, thats faster than ZSS downsmash and people still use that
Upthrow is a DI 50/50 with thunder and kills around 130 on all the characters that actually matter except for Ryu
>>135561939
Bayo is easy to edgeguard, her recovery is about as good as Ryus. Without her second jump or a wall for her to abk into from her recovery is short, 1 witch twist covers about the same distance as little macs up special

Anyone want to 1v1 on Wii U?

>>135562784
NNID?

Can someone tell me Mangos Snapchat plz

>>135562931
Post yours first, chances are I already have you

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F

>>135563038
>seizures
Did someone remind him about his tournament drowning again?

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more people to avoid
I dont even think half of these retards are from /ssbg/

>>135562996
Doubtful, I recently nuked my friends list.

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>>135563038
Here's hoping Panchino gets better!

>>135563186
NNID is CaketotheLie
Give me a sec to download the new update

>>135563265
LMAOOO FUCK OFF YOU ANNOYING WHORE

The problem with being a sheik main now is that there's no other highly technical and fluid character like her. Bayo is close but she is much slower, Cloud is like if Sheik was meant for babies and would get super boring, Ryu is too slow, ZSS is looking tempting but beyond that what the fuck do we do? I guess convert to melee is an option.

>>135563158
>he's finally given up on advertising here and is now trying elsewhere

>>135563312
>highly technical
Why do Shiek players think it's okay to masturbate themselves in public like this?

>>135563038
when he chokes so much in smash that his brain stops receiving oxygen

>>135556316
adapters are much easier to set up, just check out the direct connect guide on smashladder

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>>135563310

>>135563326
thank god

>>135563410
It's true. She is the oddball of the roster, every other character is like child's play compared to what she is capable of. Apparently Void has a bunch of new tech but I don't think even he can make up for the huge nerf hammer.

>>135563410
sheik is technical.
not as technical as greninja

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>>135563437

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>sheikfags

>>135562784
Still here

>>135563749
Greninjas has a few cool setups but even he doesnt have anything close to insant tilt buffering and other sheik tech.

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>fight Ryu as Wii Fit Trainer
>think it's fun and like an actual fighting game
>lots of playing around with Wii Fit's hitboxes and slender hurtbox
>combos from both me and them
>projectile play
>think it's really fun
>they switch to Falco the next game
>they SD after 4 minutes of me ledgecamping because it's Falco

>>135563312
Fox or Pikachu?

Why are so many scrubs complaining of bad balancing in this game? Specifically referring to sheik being smash 4 version of brawl metaknight.

Sheik is honestly pretty balanced. Her recovery is shitty and doesn't go far, and she has no kill moves.

I've fought A LOT of Sheiks online. They're easy to wreck with Slammindorf, you just need to know how to get in.

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>Be casual
>Play For Glory
>Some guy with money bought DLC characters
>Win some, lose some
>Play Bowser
>Drop one of their stock
>On their second stock, Side-B them off the stage
>mfw they rage quit

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Threadly reminder to come check out next week's Items Tournament.

http://challonge.com/Items02

>>135564013
I too have played against people under enormously advantageous circumstances, I have no idea why normal people have a different experience!

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>>135564013
And here it is

>>135564013
Prepatch Sheik at very high level play was about a notch above the rest, not very much at all. Nobody in this general or on reddit / smashboards is at the level where Sheik was OP, none of them have even faced a pro Sheik in person.

Now Sheik has been brought down several notches below the other top tiers, people are celebrating like it ever even mattered to them in the first place. People just want to feel included.

>>135564191
>wen u shoot out a silently but deadly while hanging with bae

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>>135563798

There's no option to save replays online with friends anymore, what the fuck is going on? I have far more than enough space and 0 replays saved now.

>>135563038
K..KEEP ME POSTED

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>>135562726

>fsmash comes out on frame 15 and hits below the ledge, thats faster than ZSS downsmash and people still use that

FSmash doesn't get it's kill frame until 18. ZSS's DSmash provides a much better reward, and it also ends sooner (42 vs 49). It's not the worst move, but it's not a good move and certainly not a real kill option for Pikachu. It's decent for edge guarding, but Pikachu has better options to edgeguard (namely fighting them in the air).

>thinking nair is strictly a gimping tool

It's not strictly a gimping tool, it's good for combos, OoS, and as a "get the fuck off me" move, but it's certainly not a kill move. It doesn't kill until over 168% at the ledge.

>FTilt

This doesn't kill until 180%+ at the ledge.


>UThrow to Thunder is a 50/50

It's not.

http://thesmashhub.com/how-to-fight-pikachu-by-esam/

Esam's already told people how to avoid it. DI Forward, Airdodge.

>>135564292
>none of them have even faced a pro Sheik in person
But I have and I got my asshole obliderated.
That's just me being bad though, I thought she was fine as is.

>>135563312

>Greninja
>Fox
>Ness

All of these characters are as technical than Sheik.

>Pikachu

This guy is MORE technical than Sheik.

>>135564540
Since that article, ESAM has found that short dash>RAR thunder is true against no DI, and DI in the direction of the dash

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Guys.
Where do I have to go to stick my dick in a trap?

What does "technical" mean.

>>135564861

>I thought she was fine as is

Then you thought wrong. While it's true that most of anon's here won't even notice the difference, it really, really matters at tourneys and for Smash's long term metagame.

>>135564873
You clearly are not familiar with current Sheik tech.

>>135564873
>>Greninja
Has a kill confirm, not technical

>>135564954
>Draw a girl
>Call it a trap
Everytime

>>135564954
You up for games?

>>135564873
>ness
>fox

>>135565085

>Not technical if you have a kill confirm

So that means Jigglypuff and Sheik are the most technical characters then, right?

>>135562784
s t i l l h e r e

>>135565258
What confirm does Puff have?
dont say dair to rest nigger Ill kill you

Respawn invulnerability never needed to be any more than 1 second. Why's it so fucking long in all the Smash games?

>>135565402

You need to read the post again.

>>135565402
Late fair to rest

Rest should always kill and always star kill tbqh. That would make puff usable.

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>>135564467
Turns out my friend disabled some internet options that controls replays on her end. Mmwelp.

>>135565508
Prove it

The problem is that Ninty doesnt fucking know how to balance the game. They took away Sheik's ability to kill. She gets grab at kill percent, they DI away and jump and THATS IT. Sheik doesnt get rewarded for making a read or sick play. Sheik wasnt compensated. She doesn't get rewarded with a kill for doing something right. They DI out and its over.

That is not good game design. Making the window tighter is fine. This rewards precision play. Giving her a more difficult kill setup that is not extremely situational is fine, this rewards technical play.

But no. They butchered her and called it a day. they have no fucking clue what they are doing. This doesn't make any sense from a game design perspective. All they did was make another boring character that can't kill and doesn't reward player skill.

>>135565569

>Rest kills at any percent

Jigglypuff would still be low tier.

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>>135565152
Oi, you're not a trap.

>>135565569
Just make it kill about 20% earlier and remove the dumb flower thing.

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>>135565648

>>135565468
delete this

>>135565648

found the salty sheik main

What the fuck is "dabbin"?

>>135565648
git gud

>>135565648
>first world sheik problems

Hahaha just adapt to the new changes homeboy, i main f corrin and you dont see me go on an assblasted relapse

>>135565648
Yeah I agree these patches are starting to get stupid
They do not benefit casual play whatsoever
They do not benefit competetive play because they dont watch actual tournaments aside from when Sakurai is a guest star thing at those jap events and they dont talk to competetive players

>>135565648
>implying she wasn't boring already
The only interesting Sheik was Void

>Jigglypuff rests me at 70% with 40% rage while I'm playing as Roy
>it didn't kill me
What the FUCK happened, he didn't stale it either. I was on Omega Battlefield and I feel like I cheated him out of winning.

Can some Smash wizards explain? Is there a sourspot on rest?

>>135565648

>Best character in the game gets a 100% confirmed win option removed
>several bad characters in the game get numerous combo and kill options in return

That's a lot of salt in one post.

>>135565834

Jesus you're like 8 patches behind. I'm sorry, but that's too much spoonfeeding for my tastes.

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>>135565697
For you, I may be ;).
Now quit avoiding me nigga and fight me.

>>135565880
>comparing aerial nerfs to what happened to sheik
>>135565923
this
>>135565918
>>135565918
adapt

>>135565959

Crouching reduces knockback by ~half.

He'll learn to get aerial rests.

Or to play literally any other character.

>>135565959
It wasn't melee, jigglypuff is second (arguably first) worst in the game for a reason

>>135565614
Hitting with the end of fair has about 20 frames between connecting and being able to preform rest. The opponent will be in hitstun and position to get hit by it for a certain percent window that does overlap with rest kill percent for all characters.

Anyone can turn on their wiiu and test this.

Dair to rest works too.

>>135566073
But Little Mac is boring.
Do you have any new, interesting characters?

>>135565959
Yeah, it's called whiffing the rest
It could probably be a technical glitch

>>135566087

>aerial nerfs
>aerials combo better

The fuck?

Corrin's Counter was nerfed, no one gives a shit that he got BETTER aerials.

I'd call getting rid of Corrin's easy win ticket comparable to getting rid of Sheik's Throw Kill Flowchart

>>135566249
you severely overestimate DI and how much hitstun late fair has, you dont play jigglypuff and if you do you fucking suck and only play shit FG opponents

>>135566193

>second

Who on earth would be worse than her?

Zelda, Samus, Ganon, and Charizard all got major buffs.

Palutena got minor buffs up to Dedede's level.

Don't fucking say mii fighters, they're joke characters.

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>>135566316
Don't worry, I'll surprise you luv

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>>135565648
I want to rub this post all over my body. It just feels so good.

>>135566469
I said arguably first, because right after the tier list that put her second worst came out, first worst (zelda) got some minor buffs

>>135565765
why do I always laugh at this joke

>>135566249

DAir to Rest is not a true combo.

FAir to Rest is techable.

http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Jigglypuff

Sorry, Jiggly doesn't have any true combos into rest.

I'm a poorfag and was planning on getting Smash for the 3DS since I can't afford a Wii U. A friend told me about how his circlepad got destroyed while playing.

Is it a common problem and has it happened to anyone here?

>>135565648
I remember when in Splatoon the Dynamo Roller and Krak-On got nerfed.

There were so many posts just like this.

It's so good.

>>135565857
There is no gitting gud. No matter how good you get, Sheik is not going to be killing any competent players.

>>135565880
Oh no, your fairs and nairs combo better now due to less hitstun and kb, how will you ever survive with your new SH fair strings?

>>135566558

That's fair.

Zelda actually got a few major buffs though. Her Jab is great, FTilt is a combo AND kill machine, and she has a true DThrow to Kill now (at ~40-60% too).

>>135566794
"I've never played against a DIing opponent"
It's cute that you think a couple of frames mean so much, keep it up

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>>135566531
Okay.
If you promise to never talk to me again.

>>135566682
I had my own for over a year and i have yet to see it slightly malfunction

And that's coming from someone that heavily played MH4U

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>>135566742

>Sheik is not going to be killing any competent players

>>135566654
Its not a true combo, AND it relies on some specific trajectory of dair to send them either back or in front and percentage specific and just not get hit with good DI/vectoring
its so bad

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>>135565648

>>135566991
Doesn't matter for you so I'm not sure why you're happy. This stuff only matters for good players.

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Congrats to dorf for taking another tournament! Maybe next time Chance wont get buster'd out of winners finals.

See you next week ;o) (?)
(Potentially on another thursday depending on what the other weekly tournaments are like)

>>135566878

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZHKcFbydnA

I don't know if you quoted the right post, but if you did, you're retarded.

>>135566878
You can't DI it at certain percentages.

>>135567189
oh boy this retard is back

>>135567182
Wait, he's winning these? I should go and enter one then.

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>>135567103

Because it causes you to post shit like >>135565648

>>135567319
He's our best player. Why wouldn't he win?

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>>135565648

>>135567407
When's the next one then?

>>135567103

>this stuff only matters for good players

So why'd you throw a bitch fit about it?

>Zelda still can't F-Tilt some characters if they're too close

>>135567182
OH LOOK IT'S ANOTHER CIRCLEJERK TOURNEY
Fuck off already

>>135567518
Either Tuesday or Thursday

>>135566878

She got a hoo hah at certain percentages.

That's a pretty good cause for celebration for what used to be the worst character in the game.

>>135567572
wew lad

>>135567691
She always had it, they just made it less frame tight.

>tfw running on 30 hours of no sleep but still want to play some games

Gonzalo BarriosVerified account
@TSMZeRo
By the way my favorite Smash Bros game IS Smash 4.

Here's my list:

1) Smash 4
2) Brawl
3) VOLDEMORT
4) Melee
5) 64

>there are people who hate base smash 64

This game is SO much better Shiekless, holy shit.

>>135566794
>Her Jab is great
It's shit compared to the rest of the cast. It's one of her better moves.

>FTilt is a combo AND kill machine
It neither combos nor is it a "kill machine." At best you'll be killing around 120% at the ledge.

>and she has a true DThrow to Kill now
Not only is the percentage range for this extremely small, but it's difficult to actually hit a sweetspot Bair since it requires actual precision.
This also always existed. The patch didn't add this. If it was ever important to Zelda play you'd see if more often.

Stop it with the over-exaggeration of the Zelda's buffs.

>>135567874
How fucking dare him, smash 64 was the most stylish fun to watch game and most satisfying to 0-death someone in

>>135567932
Rosa has replaced Sheik. You are out of your mind if you think that is a good thing.

Since the buffs, I feel like it's easier to land side smashes and up airs with Samus.

But I'm sure someone here could tell me why I'm wrong.

>>135568023
Her Fsmash was given a new hitbox closer to her body, so it should be easier to hit with it.

Nothing changed with Uair, so that's just your own placebo.

Why is Funky and Bowser Bike not a playable character in tr4sh?

>>135567938

Are you seriously trying to say that Zelda's still worse than Jiggs?

>>135568016
i too enjoy throwing someone and then up airing until up b will kill

>>135568153
No?
Where did I say that?
Are you fucking stupid?

>>135567874
where does it say he hates 64

>>135568268

Because that's the entire context of the post you responded to.

No one was saying Zelda's great. We're saying Zelda's better than fucking Jigglypuff, and you're fucking arguing it.

>>135567874
Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
.@sicken_me To be honest that's never been the case for me. I find whatever 'main game' I'm playing ATM to be the most 'Fun' to watch.

Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
I super enjoy Melee. Always been the case. But it feels like a cult sometimes. Even I as a veteran felt pushed away & uncomfortable at times

Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
I feel legitimately scared to express how I don't feel like Melee is the greatest thing ever in every situation.

And it's just an opinion

Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
When I was up and coming in Brawl, I always felt welcomed and received.
But in Melee I always felt a lot of elitistm, like high school again

Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
People should be able to say they like other Smash games more than Melee without others making it seem like its wrong because it's not melee

Gonzalo Barrios @TSMZeRo 2h2 hours ago
Sometimes the Melee community can be very elitist, and not just 'Internet people' but veteran players too.

It hurts the game and shuns ppl

aw

>>135567874
>melee
>and 64
>THAT FUKKIN LOW
Im hating this faggot already, why he your god again?

>>135568390
I'm not arguing whether Zelda is great or not.
I'm disproving points in the post.
Stop being fucking autistic.

>>135568184
thats the basic annoying falcon, the same kind of shit that got zss and mk nerfed in smash 4

>>135568529

I know you're retarded, but try to keep it contained in one post instead of spread out among all of them.

>>135568434
Is he wrong?

>>135568529
Fixation and context-blindness is literally the main symptom of your illness autisimo. Can't even make this shit up.

>>135568662
I know we all hate him because hes kinda wrong about a lot of shit but hes actually right about this, its kinda annoying

>>135568813
Not about the Brawl community being nice and welcoming and not elitist.

>>135568434
He's right you know

>>135568113
I read somewhere the she moves through the air easier though.

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>>135567602
Prepare for a new queen

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>tell him Little Mac is boring
>he picks Duck Hunt and Jigglypuff
Are you just a boring person?

>>135569079
You fucking suck rosie lmao you couldnt take a tournament from a bunch of 5 year olds

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>>135569670

>>135569646
>says the fag using Samus and WFT
o i am leffen

>>135569670
Don't know who Rosie is, but I'll win it for her.

>>135569935
Post your NNID

>>135569646
I'm great at parties

>>135569670
>insulting my /ssbg/waifu
FC?

>>135569859
>implying Samus and WFT aren't the funnest characters in the whole roster

>>135570062
I can tell, you fucking clown.

>>135569991
I'm going to bed, I'll look to play some games tomorrow.

>>135570159
fun to play, maybe
fun to face, no

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>guy is beating me with his main
>I want to get better so I keep playing
>he switches to my main
>beats me
>leaves

>>135570315
Then who's the most fun character to face?

>dat meteor
saved

>>135570526
>main sheik
>guy thinks i won because of sheik
>counterpicks sheik
>nobody knows how to play sheik

Feels good.

wow they buffed the shit out of samus

Is Samus mid-tier now?

>>135570758
>get bodied by samus pre patch
>get bodied by samus in 1.5.5

lol i dunno

>playing a very good sheik online hours before the patch
>getting shut down hard, some two stocks were had
>he's doing all the air needle to fish and pivot tilt combos
>finally get on him and start winning mstches
>beat him twice in a row after a bunch of back and forths
>he dcs

I wonder if he still mains sheik today. Im gonna miss these actually good sheiks who gave fun matches who will drop her

What makes the Samus buffs so good? Is it just hype?

>>135570586
That was a pretty good tech but.
>stalling Ganondorf with Duck Hunt

>>135570550
i like playing against bowser personally but its different for everyone

anyone up for Wii U games?

>>135571243
NNID?

>>135571007
Theyre substantial enough to finally seperate her from the Pichus (Zelda, Puff, Mii Sword) but she's still shit

>>135571007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82norZ7TXIQ

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>>135571071
great match, now i got stuff to do

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Guys, I just heard about the patch 1.1.5, is it true that Samus/ZSS got nerfed and that Zelda and Samus (FUCKING FINALLY) got buffed?

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>>135571650
GGs.
Now will you stop talking to me or do I have to keep beating you with random characters until you tap out?