/twg/ - Total War General

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First for sinking

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>>135097110
Second for vampires.

So is DEI best mod for rome 2? any good submods for it or just any better mods than DEI?

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A moment of silence for our fallen soldiers...

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

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>Warhammer delayed just so reviewers can make reviews
AHAHAHhahaAHAHahahaHAAHAHhahaHAHAAHhahaAHAHAHAHAH

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>>135096982
What graphics settings have you found to be the best balance between Performance and Looks in Attila?

I have a 760 and I'm just wondering if others have already done the testing. The only way I'm gonna get 60fps is with all low, so I'm looking to make some compromises.

>>135097338
Ouch. Right in the dynasty.

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>>135097338
yeah RIP

>>135097107

>Sassanid Empire is a thing
>A faction named Persia is in the game

Nothing wrong with that at all. "Persian Empire" is like calling the Netherlands "Holland", or all of Great Britain as "England".

Persia is just one small part of Iran, which is what most Iranian empires have called themselves. The language of the Achaemenid and Sassanid empires came from Persia proper, but the whole foundation of it as an empire was the unification of Persia with the other Iranian regions.

So, having Persia revolt is no worse than having Italia revolt in the WRE. Literally the only difference is that we're not used to calling the Roman Empire the Italian Empire.

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>>135097445
That's a grudging.

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>>135097720
>They'll come back for us r-right?

How is the Charlemagne campaign doable?
Should I abandon everything in the North?
This War weariness bullshit makes it impossible to sustain public order or actually lead battles?

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>>135097338

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>>135097802

Map for good measure.

That feel when Persians got kekked so hard by Arabs that they changed Parsi (i.e. Persian) and Pahlavi (i.e. Parthian) to Farsi and Fahlavi because Arabs couldn't pronounce p.

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>>135097997
Why the fuck can't there be a good naval combat game

are there any good graphical mods for Attila? for example like the better grass one for Rome 2.

>>135098624

Aztec graphics mod and water mod

Aztec being a little buggy sometimes tho

>Franks
>Want to shed the blood of Saxon men
>Literally everyone declares war on me

I just wanted to shed the blood of Saxon men, is that so much to ask?

Fine, restarting, time to engage operation Fuck Rome.

>>135096259
Hannibal a product of incest? That explains the autism.

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>>135096982
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Women in EB 2 units fucking when

>>135100237
8 years.

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>>135100237

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>>135099504
Many famous people throughout history were pretty inbred by modern standards, given that marrying outside of your family could have serious political implications for both parties, marrying a cousin was a safe option if you couldn't find a potential spouse elsewhere that wouldn't upset the balance of power.

>tfw most of Rome's patrician class had the genetic diversity of rural Australia.

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Made some huge headway into taking italy. I got caught in a meatgrinder/back and forth with them on our border for a while but I finally managed to free up a stack and now I'm pushing their shit in. The question is where to conquer after this?

>>135101238
Scipio was pure. That is why he could easily bully Hannibal.

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>>135100237
Vampire countesses fucking when?

>>135101238
Marrying a cousin has the same percentage of defects as having a child with a 40+ woman.

Which is why its not illegal.

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How much does the Unit Size setting affect gameplay?

Which is the optimal size to play with in your opinion?

>>135101307
BALKANIZE ME

>>135101404
Stronk plebian genetics.

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So I'm currently doing a campaign as Venedians, I hold the 3 provinces in pic related. It's currently 407 AD, I'm not at war with anyone and the huns are friendly due to my tribute of food.
Currently, I'm focusing on building my provinces (or rebuilding in the previously razed ones) and unsure of what to do next. I figured I'd just expand further toward the east and take the wood from that province, then south toward Dacia after the nomads are done with it?
I'm kinda afraid I might be stretching my forces to thin.

>>135101508
It doubles your chance of birth defects relative to the general population from 2% to 4%. It's significant but not catastrophic.

Over successive generations it can become more of an issue, particularly in regards to child mortality rates, but luckily most human societies, and thus their nobolities, don't last that many generations and there will always be that one dark horse who marries a pleb or barbar slave girl.

Remember kids, if you ever become the overlord of an empire, encourage your nobles to Blanda Upp.

Who are the Venedians ancestors to?

>>135102278
Germans, Poles, Lithuanians, everyone in that general region. It's been more than a millennia, trying to pin ancestry to one particular group is pretty pointless.

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Should I do it or keep building up a few turns?

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>>135098325
>Hood

;-;

>>135103539
Do it ya fuckin pansy

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>>135103597
ok

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>>135103539

>>135103539
>Letting a G. Cornelius Scipio do it
>Instead of a Publius Cornelius Scipio.

>>135102062
>>135102062

G-Goys? No opinions one way or the other?

On a semi-related note, since Venedian farms shit money, is it even worth bothering with buildings that don't directly improve farms (i.e. anything that isn't a farm, religious building and buildings that grant access to units and agents)?

Is this mod good /twg/?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=550221705

>>135105262
No.

>>135105157
Keep building farms. Farms, religious buildings to improve sanitation, and any civil buildings that give an increase to farm wealth. You are a farmer. Love the farm.

>>135102062
>Hyperborea
See your enemy driven before you.
Hear the lamentations of their women.

>>135105157

Migrate to Arabia, lock down the Ma'rib dam from Himyar before they fuck it up.

Build Slavic town temples everywhere except Arabia Felix.

Convert to Semitic Paganism (capital has to be in Arabia Felix or Ethiopia for this).

Build Semitic pagan town temples everywhere.

40% agriculture income form Ma'rib dam + 40% from Semitic pagan temples + 100% from Venedi faction.

>>135105262
Never tried it but the custom siege maps look nice. I wish CA didn't get super lazy with Japanese castles for S2.

How the fuck do I turn a profit in EB?

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>>135105562
I might just try that in a new game.

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>>135105814

Not if I do it first!

Getting kind of tired of my Tanukis game, I'll return to it later, but I never did try out Slavs.

Fertilest Crescent run commencing promptly.

>>135106132
Keep us informed, this should be good.

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>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=612198899

this any good? should I go vanilla Heph instead?

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h-here I go

>>135102062
Don't be too afraid of stretching thin where you are, snow attrition+poison arrow defence will help you a lot.

>>135106758
>Chinamen
>in 868 Hungary

>>135107014
Yes. Problem?

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>>135106709
I'm liking it so far

>>135107014
Seems legit.

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>>135106758

>Long ago in a distand land, I, Guan You, the 13th scion of the Imperial Throne, witnessed an UNSPEAKABLE EVIL

>>135107261
Convert to minor religions.

>>135105157
The zadruga buildings are good, never had to guess about what to build with venedians since after zadruga, mokosh, farms, and sanitation I only had one free town slot.

>>135105562
That's going to be overpowered as fuck.

>>135106434

Will do.

Speaking of increasing fertility, did anyone ever make a mod that lets aquiducts and qanats increase fertility? It'd also be great if there was a mod that somehow negated the climate penalties for the far south, or at least the Nile and Mesopotamia. Maybe a modifier that boosts fertility, and increases every time that the climate gets worse? A shame you can't just exempt provinces from climate change.

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wow these unit cards are fucking terrible

>>135107681
More like fantastic.

>>135107231
No, but I think the Hungarians might have one.

I just finished watching all the Attila TW trailers on steam, why are they so cringey with bad voice acting, and the scenes with Attila sitting in Rome triggered my historical accuracy

>>135107681
They're distinctive so that's alright, everyone having those little squiggles in the back is unappealing though

>>135107541
Methinks I saw a "Sanitation buildings restore Fertility" mod on Steam. Never tested it though.

>>135098325

because the only thing intense about naval warfare is the prospect of drowning

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>>135107795

Ahh... Rome

>>135107985
wrong

>>135107795
Do they not have the opening game cinematic?

>>135107795
I liked this one desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qokYyHfj99w

Any tips for Otomo legendary?

I feel like there's something I'm missing, I just get raped by an Ouchi deathstack while still working on Shoni.

>>135098325
Game? I'm guessing it's a Silent Hunter 3 mod

>>135108047

wow, solid argument there bud. But for everyone else, why don't you take a whack at trying to explain what's so darn exciting about naval combat?

>>135108731
everything

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>>135108564

Is that supposed to be Alaric?

>tfw the game shoulda been called Total War: Alaric

>>135107789
Those inbred mongrels can take it up with the Chinese, then.

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>>135106758
>hungarian chinamen

total war: asia never

>>135108903
No. It's random Gothic tribe. Can't be Alaric because Alaric was not an adult when the Visigoths went into ERE lands for the first time. Can't be Alaric because he was dead by the time Attila was in charge of the Huns.

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Do they squat too?

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>>135107541

It begins. I learned from my first failed Island Slav run that it'll take you twice as long as the migration to be able to support two full stacks of anything but the shittiest levies.

So, our High King Darko's fateful decree is not as crazy as it could have been. We will leave our homes intact, and leave behind a sufficient garrison force to protect them... however, the King has received visions from Perun:

"Beyond the Huns' anger and destruction, there will be a world for the taking. Our World!"

He insists on gathering up as large an army as possible, and setting out to find a distant Promised Land, safe from the Huns. When asked where we could flee that would truly be beyond the reach of the Huns, he simply pointed his finger to the South.

Darko says that he shall never return to the verdant fields of Europe, and that, some day, he shall call upon the rest of his people to join him. The people are bewildered by this seeming insanity. However, there is no mass rebellion, as the nobles of the realm see a good chance to take over for themselves. A man named Porgo, young and bold, takes it upon himself to lead the defense of the Venedian homeland.

There shall be difficult days ahead...

>>135109292
Yes. They squat.

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>>135097997
Its like a mile to shore, swim you faggots.

>>135109624
there is no land on that picture anon

>>135109864
Just because the map generator for warscape sucks.

Are these seriously the only factions in Warhammer at launch? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't even play Elves, but not putting them in the game is ludicrous. How can you make a Total War with five playable factions? Where are the Skaven, Beastmen, Tomb Kings?

See you in two years when there's actually armies worth playing.

>>135110348
Wrong tab familia.

>>135110348
Wrong general my friend

>>135110348

wrong browser m8

>>135110390
>How can you make a Total War with five playable factions?

Napoopan.

>>135110390
>Are you fucking kidding me?

That's CA for you

>>135110390
>Five unique armies.

literally the most effort they've ever put into a TW game.

Go play Shogun 2 where everyone just throws ashigaru at each other for the first twenty turns.

>>135110390
Oh hey, it's the Fantasy equivalent of salty Tyranid fans!

>>135110390

Literally no worse than Attila:

>Rome
>Sassanids
>Huns
>Barbars
>Settled barbars, some with different graphics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbvY_fij9E8

this trailer is so grimderp and so comfy.

They got the orciness right too.

Grimgor <3

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>>135110390

Dont worry, we'll have modders such as Radious adding in LOTR orcs and elves in no time

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>>135109334

These motherfuckers beat me to Duna twice (I restarted on turn 3 the first time when they ninja'd it).

Looks like we'll have an early war, then. I just hope this doesn't snowball into a war with all of barbar nato.

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>>135111185

>mfw they give him a head-butt animation

>>135111412
If you take Duna the Geats get line of sight on you and they will come after your in a few turns anyway. You'll also probably have to fight the Rugians because the Geats will become friendly with them. If you're also sending troops west to settle then you're probably spread too thin.

What mods for Nappyon?

>>135111851
LME

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>Another genius at CA decided that the player's faction is the ONLY faction suffering from war weariness, giving the AI a freepass to declare as many wars as it pleases without suffering the consequences

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>>135111412

Looks like they're waiting for us to take the offensive.

>>135111769
>Geats pile up on you

Weirdly enough, this didn't happen in my latest playthrough, when I made a beeline for that settlement on turn 1 and didn't actually do any politics with anyone for a while, and then startet trading and exchanging NAPs with both Geats and Rugians.

Other times, they immediately pile up on me the moment they establish contact with me. Shit's odd sometimes.

>>135112045
Wait I thought only Charlemagnes Kingdom has taht problem, this mechanic is the worst mechanic in a game ive ever seen.
The ridicolous corruption scaling with the empires size was already retarded, but now they hit a new low.
>Welcome to Total WAR
>but dont wage any WAR senpai

I dont even get how to counter that if you start with factions waging war against you.
Public order goes down the drain, rebels everywhere, get raided, cant defend due to war weariness ---> cycle continues, what happens when it hits 100%?
Im at 53% and my units start the battle already shaking, I mean I know I technically have some frenchmen with me but this is getting ridicolous.

>>135111769

Well, they can eat shit, because Duna is mine.

>>135112158

We soften them up with our skirmishers and archers, preparing for the main charge. Our cav are heading around to hit them from behind.

My only concern is their onager. I'm getting really fucking tired of these things acting like Napoleonic artillery.

>>135112387
I was able to NAP the Geats once but their leader died and they turned on me like usual. I'm pretty sure Slavs get a target painted on their back because the Geats can only see other Germanics.

>>135112646
the quote is from Charlemagne dlc review yeah

the idea is so silly though, what is CA trying to turn Total War into? A grand strat? Civ V?

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>>135112814
Too bad for them we got poison arrows.

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>>135112697

Forgot pic, but you can picture how it went. We easily break them, and the city is ours.

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>>135113231

The cucks sign peace immediately after we take the town, get wrecked Germanic scum.

Are there any Napoleon mods that add a whole world sort of thing? Similar to Empires map?

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>Tfw your friends go to see Godan without you
My Sassykid meme campaign now has me fighting the Langobards, but the barbars just sit in the borders of their town as my Kurdish archers go to down with their improved ammunition.

>>135108975

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>>135113697

Great, turn 5 and the fucking Roxolanians declare war on us out of nowhere.

>>135114578
Is it a fun campaign?

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>>135114867

I lost the battle and my heir, and decided to just reload to the turn before instead of restarting the entire campaign again. I don't give a fuck about scrubbery at this point, I'm just trying to get enough money to support a migration south.

Scared of our time powers, the Roxolanians decline to declare war a second time, but the Geats, zealous protectors of the space-time continuum, declare war on us in their stead.

>>135114960
It's interesting. Turn 1 I moved my faction leader and his son to the sea and moved all the way to Britain. After I took care of the White Hun shitters I disbanded all my armies in the East and let it sit. For some reason the AI loves me however and my satraps all played nice with each other and goon-squaded any naysayers. Additionally the ERE has barely been touched and they have not declared war or anything.

Meanwhile I took Britain and camped until I got elephants and all the fun cav and naft throwers. Then I started removing Barbars. Their spear spam is annoying, but the AI can only do so much against a stack of 17 cataphracts and 2 elephants.

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>>135115883

I think I'm gonna have to expand, if only to make more money. There's no way I can support two full armies like this, and I'm even thinking of just restarting and going horde from the beginning. If I take the long way around, I could probably end up supporting a larger army than what I can like this.

>>135116540
Go horde right away, support your armies by sacking everything on the way to wherever yopu're headed

>>135108564
This is my favorite trailer they've done still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5v6hPr6L7U

I want to get into these games but the only one I have is Napoleon. I don't know if it's particularly hard or I'm a retard but every single fucking time I play the campaign I get ganked by 5000 man armies every 2 turns from all sides and lose. How the fuck do I keep up my army supply to the nations that can just constantly throw 400 guys at me?

>>135116830
OVER THE ALPS, PERHAPS?

>>135116978
WITH AN ARMY OF ELEPHANTS AHAHA

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>>135116540

Fucking hell, I didn't do anything to the Geats or Lugians.

Seeing that his people were unwelcome in Europe, Darko made the decision to begin the great exodus maturely.

Every Venedian was ordered to prepare to make a great migration - first, into the unknown vastness of the steppe, but later, to warmer, more southerly climes.

>>135116978
HE WOULD LOSE HALF HIS ARMY TO ATTRITION ALONE!

*Senators laughing*

THE OTHER HALF WOULD DESERT HIM!

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Why dont we ever have a /twg/ meetup?

>>135117465
I don't feel like traveling across half the world to meet some other nerds.

>>135117465
Because we're too busy shit posting here and playing the games.

>>135117574
I guess most of the posters are europeans, so we just meet up in Europe.

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>>135117087

Eat shit, Germanic scum, you ain't getting nothing from Germano-Sarmatia.

>>135117465
Oh yeah I can't see how that could possibly be a bad idea.

>>135110390
to be fair tho they there's fuckload of different models to consider. Animation for dwarves, humans etc. there's more than only humans

Is FOTS a valid gungame? Is it viable to have fully modern armies with no traditional units and still be good?

>>135118193
>Is it viable to have fully modern armies with no traditional units and still be good?

that's the only way to be good senpai

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>>135117942

After two turns of bankruptcy, we're left with an entire 149 gold a turn as surplus, decaying integrity on one of our stacks, and a long way to go before we find any kind of welcoming land.

Oh, and it's winter.

I'm really feeling the Eastern European experience.

>>135118193
As long as you bring 4 armstrong guns and a general the other 15 army slots are entirely up to you.

>>135117997

Elves are literally just skinny humans.

>>135118193

For a long time, you'll want at least a few yari kachi units waiting behind your gun line.

Sometimes, the enemy WILL get off a cavalry or even melee infantry charge, and then you want some dedicated melee infantry of your own to hold them off. They're also good for being the first over the wall in sieges.

>>135119306
Fuck Yari Kachi, just use spear levy

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Is the Prologue in Attila worth completing?

I'm at the bit when they ask you to recruit a Scout. It feels like it has taken forever.

>>135119306
Yeah. The lack of bayonets and inability to form infantry squares is pretty dumb. You're forced to rely on spear units to counter the odd lucky cavalry maneuver.

>>135119448
It's alright. The final battle in the prologue is pretty hard for some people.

If you think you know how to play, then just jump into the grand campaign.

>>135119847
Oh yeah? Why is it considered hard?

How important is having a fleet in rome 2? IS it pretty much necessary if you want to fight carthage early in the game?

Also, what is a good fleet composition? I know nothing about naval battles and will be auto resolving each one probably.

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>>135118434

Why are you still chasing me? What the fuck?

Oh well, I can lead these fuckers all the way to Arabia if they want.

If it turns out Himyar fucked up and ruined the Ma'rib dam, I'm gonna lose my shit.

>>135119948
Shitty Gothic units versus PROUD ROMAN LEGIONS. Enemy has like six cav units, but you only got a single spear unit and pike unit. You have absolutely no cav at the start, and need to survive until cav appears.

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>>135119986

FUCK HIMYAR YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB

Hopefully it's just temporarily damaged, but last time I conquered Zafar in a campaign, the dam was down to a max +30% agriculture income. Not sure if that was Himyar events or a result of the dam being damaged by invasion, but even if its the former, I doubt Himyar has the financial ability to repair their fucking dam if their capital is wrecked like this.

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What Youtube/Twitch people do you guys like for Total War games?

Are there any you hate?

>>135118193

get a few Armstrong guns + gatling guns and you'll melt most armies before they can do damage to you

>tfw wish they couild integrate Attila seaborn invasions into shogun 2 FOTS
>tfw never gonna witness all that sweet offshore battery support

shit man just seeing the warrior offshore bombarding while royal marines on boats land to assault a fortress would make me orgasm hard.

>>135121336
diplexheated or something is a subhuman, the Rest is okay.

>>135122273
subhuman? how do you mean?

>>135122334
He is the typical Sweden yes guy, and he isnt a good player.

>>135122713
"Sweden yes guy"...uh

I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to explain what you mean, I've never heard this term before. Sorry if I'm a bit annoying

>>135122837
it means he gets butthurt about his politics

>>135122837
he is a substandard TW player.
Lionheart WoS and Legend explain their actions, and it is funny watching the rambler fail.

>>135122837
I think he means the sort of swede who'd call you racist for saying a syrian guy was a murderer. After you both just watched him stab someone 27 times in the chest.

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>>135122837

It's an old meme from german 4chan's Russo-British board.

>>135123031
What about Prince of Macedon?

>>135123139
>>135123048
>>135123029
Oh

>>135123397
he plays multiplayer exclusively.

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What the fuck are you doing down here Sparta.

>>135123031
Who's WoS?

>>135123749
>>135123031
Nevermind, just figured it out.

>>135123749
A fat anglo

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ASTURIAS
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>>135119978
bump4help

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>>135119978

If it's anything like Attila, it isn't really important unless you want to invade an enemy who has a full fleet. They're really useful against enemies who are trying to invade you across the sea, however, because you can easily take out a normal embarked army with a full navy.

>>135120645

Things are looking up. We outran all our enemies, and have been moving fast enough that our tresspasses haven't yet created any new ones.

Indeed, after a long journey of many years, through harsh steppe and harsher mountains, the Venedian people have finally arrived in the promised land - the Fertile Crescent.

But we cannot settle just yet - there is rumor of a magical dam still further to the south, which has been blessed by Mokosh. How else could it turn desert into Paradise, and grant its masters bountiful harvests throughout their empire?

So, onward, brave Venedi! Our journey is almost at an end!

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Is there anything Rome 2 does better than Attila, or is Attila pretty much a straight up better game?

>>135125120
Attila is pretty much better.

I hope the Rome 2 meme isn't too true. I just went all in on the DLC that isn't alternate campaigns.

>>135125368
It's true

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>>135119978
Not all that important except for two things.
Guarding your armies when they're at sea and taking out enemy armies at sea.
Tiny navies are fully capable of taking out full stack armies in transports.

I usually go with 4-6 artillery ships, 6-8 missile ships and then a few melee ships to run interfernce/ram enemy ships.

>>135125368
Rome 2 is ok. It's pretty much fixed. Just don't play Attila before you've had enough of it because you won't want to go back.

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>>135125106

Fuck, the Sassies own Dumatha.

Looks like we're getting a huge trespassing penalty, at the very least.

>>135125417
Fuck it. How the hell would I even know what's broken? The newest TW game I've played til now is M2.
And I can't even use shock infantry in that fucking game. Or pikes. Or just about any unit on walls. Or re-position cavalry in cities and castles.

>>135119978
How to win naval battles the Visigothic way:

1. Rams
2. That's it.

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

I cant keep going anymore, this Charlemagne campaign is getting to me, after completely abandoning the North and conquering South of France im just Decimating my troops 24/7 while sitting in towns to reinforce them, this is worse than vietnam.

>>135125120

Attila does everything better unless you count unit looks

I would love if someone would just take the units, factions and put them in the Attila game.

>>135112857
I'd love a grand strategy total war style desu. I love both and I get bored with the parts that aren't in either, if you know what I mean.

>>135125368
>>135125747

I've never played a campaign, but from /twg/ shitposting, as far as I can tell, all complaints have been fixed except:

1. No family trees.
2. Speed of time makes generals die too fast.
3. Sieges are still broken and the AI will still prioritize burning your bronze gates down with napalm torches.

>>135127320
It's being worked on

Which mod should I install for Med 2, I do not own kingdoms.

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>>135125570

Good news! We find an alternate path down to Himyar via Roman land, with only a short cross through Sassy land. Furthermore, the Sassies went to war with Himyar!

This means several things:

-Himyar will be distracted.
-Sassies will love us for trespassing against them.
-Sassies will love us for attacking them.
-We may not get dogpiled by Sassies immediately after settling down.

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Do you guys play with the Battle Timer on or off?

>>135127759
On. Prevents me from doing gamey bullshit when I attack and allows me to do gamey bullshit when I defend.

>>135127930
What kind of gamey bullshit?

>>135127759

On at 60 minutes, because I ragequitted from an entire campaign before because the enemy cheesed me out of a heroic victory by camping 3 bugged ships out in the harbor after I beat their invasion force.

At least once since, I've had the same thing happen, but managed to win because of the battle timer.

>>135128057
not him but counter charge siege units like ladders/towers with rabble befpre they get to the walls, bottleneck corridors and force a meat grinder where I win due to time

>>135128057
Like trying to cheat the enemy into stopping somewhere and me arrowing until I'm out of ammo.
Or taking massively long insane routes to get a slightly shallower hill approach.

Also it helps that I can time out a siege defense when the enemy just doesn't advance for some reason. Me having to sally out is complete bullshit.

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>He actually did this before the buff to WRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SsvP3uksVM

Holy fuck. I better get some popcorn.

>>135128486
I'm referring entirely to M2 by the way.
I had 2 units of genoese crossbowmen kill 500 units across a bridge because they would just stand there and I had the range advantage. At least with the timer on there's some constraint to attempt to technically win the battle.

>>135128486
>Playing a siege against AI
>Their ladders all get set on fire by the towers and the bastion onager
>The entire AI army just sits outside of the gate waiting
Only good reason for timers really. Having the AI commit to a siege and then do nothing when you're defending with a small garrison is no fun.

>>135128931
>>135128486
>>135128453
>>135128353
>>135127930
Do you guys rationalize this in any way, or do you see it mostly as a gameplay concession?

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>>135127726

Fucking Mazun conquered Zafar.

Fucking.
Mazun.
A fucking satrap.

Guess it's war with Persia, mates.

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>But I hope and I pray, every single day
>You'll come to me, come home to me, come home to me...

>>135129085
See
>>135128931
Since this is the primary reason for me I say it's because I'm in a God damned castle and I'll do as I please until I'm forced to sally out or counterattack with a field army and my castle garrison.

Plus it's really fun for me to see what I can do with 3 or 4 spear militia and 1 archer militia. If they don't want to fight then they can fuck off and try again later.

>>135129452
And remember this above all.
Our Roman gods are watching.
Make sure they are not ashamed!

>>135129396
Goodluck slav-friend. Be sure to poison all of the cav spam armies you're about to face.

>>135129396

Shit, we won't get a better opportunity than this.

We're going for it, lads. Perun wills it!

>>135129809

And the best part is that I have to start over again if the agriculture income bonus has been fucked, because Himyar couldn't keep their shit together!

Fuck my life. The things I do for memes.

I can't even upload a screenshot because 4chan tells me it has an embedded file

>>135129708
They have been led here by mewling infants instead of leaders, now they will pay the price!

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>>135130339
Are you still alive?

>>135097445
They had to though. They had already promised that a bunch of reviews and LPs would be available before launch so people can make informed decisions, if they release without that happening, and the game has even some slight errors it will turn into a R2 shit-fling fest with cries of MUH REVIEWS

>>135131613
Are the people reviewing it at least impartial, or are they completely bought off?

>>135131747
What the fuck do you think?

>>135097445
Who is this semen demon?

>>135131747
>people still think reviews have to be bought for poor games to get good scores

Big name reviewer sights usually have casual shits that play the game for a short time and that usually have shallow opinions on games. They give them good scores because they don't have enough experience with a game or enough interest to be legitimately critical.

just look at fucking Undertail

>>135131747
No one should be this jaded about anything you can buy at Toys R Us.

I have every TW game and I have over 250 hours in ME2, and around 75 in Attila.

I've never played a battle. I don't understand it at all, and I've tried many times.

Please help.

>>135133093
Uh

Okay

Have you heard of Hammer & Anvil? That will be like 50% of what you want to be doing.

>>135133293
Nope, What's that?

>>135133093
Wanna give me your steam and we co-op a campaign where I explain you some stuff?

>>135133415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_anvil

The hammer and anvil is a relatively simple maneuver. It begins with two infantry forces of varying strengths engaging in a frontal assault. While the infantry lines are fixed in the engagement, a cavalry force maneuvers around the enemy and attacks from behind, sandwiching it into the friendly infantry. Generally, the force attempting the maneuver needs to have a superior amount of cavalry to be successful.

>>135133093
what the fuck

>>135133093
Right, here's the deal.
Get lots of spearmen or anyone with a shield.
Put them in front.
Fill the rest with archers. Sometimes send a few in front of shield guys for extra range. Retreat them behind infantry when the enemy get's too close.
Have 4 cav, 2 on each side. When the enemy touches your guys, swing them around and hit them in their backs. Have your archers do nothing while this happens.
As for M2. If you have more firepower than the enemy, even if you engage the battle, they will come to you. I guess the AI's rationing is that they don't want you to stand there and pick them off. So you're going to do just that. Have more archers than the enemy. Stand on a hill, make sure they aren't all targeting the first fucking peasant bowman that comes within their range, and just stand still until they touch your infantry.

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>>135133093

>>135097332
>english names
>ultra fast battles
>bullgod's style icons
>PoR2

>>135133574
dont forget this doesnt work in games like shogun 2 or rome 2 where cav are shit and only worth attacking skirmishers

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>>135134607
What are you talking about?

>>135133093
Actually, here's just your standard army. 9 spear militia 4 or 5 bowmen of some sort, I actually rather like peasant bowmen, they're cheap as fuck and you don't really give a damn if they take enemy return fire.
And leave space for mercenary spearmen when you encounter an enemy army that's actually decent. Your general is all you really need for cav. If you hit one flank with him you can cause a chain rout pretty well.

Germanic crossbowmen or hunters?

>>135134607
>>135134809
There is not really a point of using cavalry in Shogun 2 and in Rome 2 theyre great so fuck off.
In Shogun 2 im replaying as Oda atm and all im doing is set up and support a spearwall that makes even Samurai rout after 20 seconds of fighting, so there is no point to rearcharge them since the fights are so short.
I only use the generals to hunt down routing units.
The frontlines collapse so fast due to the high mortality that cavalry isnt necessary.

>>135133453
You there god? It's me, Yeezus

>>135135439
w-what?

>>135135754
That's my Steam name. Yea, I know it's awesome right?

Can someone explain to me how my Himyar heavy spears are getting fucking wrecked by very light infantry?
Seriously, what the actual fuck
Theyre wearing fucking loinclothes for fucks sake, what is going on?

>First time playing Attila
>Gave Rome 2 a miss so this is all new to me
>Playing as Franks
>It's a dark time, declare war on WRE but making slow progress due to political and unhappiness.
>WRE attack with quite a hefty force
>Manage to hold them back with some crafty cavalry charges into their back lines
>Heroic victory
>Suddenly the people love me and my king gets an intelligent wife
>All the other Germanic tribes suck my balls for trade agreements

I might just turn this around yet

>>135135918
If you're talking about A'far Swordsman or whatever the Aksum unit is, it is because of three things.

1) The sword unit has a fear bonus against everyone
2) swords > spears
3) Charge bonus, too.

>>135131168

The game crashed and a streamer I like came on, so I gave up for the night.

There's a small chance I may come on to finish the battle later, but it'll probably have to wait for tomorrow.

>>135135872
There are many Yeezus, is your avatar a Pepe?

>>135131972
Does anyone plan on answering this anon?
I too could use a fap. I'm so spent on 3D whores right now.

>>135136332
Yep. those are the fuckers.
A little POed when a spear wall of heavily armored units keeps getting wrecked by loincloth knife wielders.

>>135136242
Rolling, will start new tomorrow.

>>135136393
No, my avatar is a picture of yeezy that says "I am a god"

>>135133093

First, if you're just playing it for the campaign with autoresolving, go play Paradox games. If you've made it 250 hours playing M2 as a simplistic grand strategy game (which is what the campaign is), you'll love the fuck out of Crusader Kings II.

Second, it's easy as fuck to win battles in Attila. If you've got 75 hours in it, I think you're good enough to manage the WRE on normal/hard.

WRE is piss-easy to play as, because your infantry are better than anyone elses. Abandon everything outside of Italy (don't need to raze it - just abandon it and let the AI conquer it over time), then concentrate all of your armies around northern Italy.

Your main army should be 10-12 infantry, 2-4 archers/xbowmen, 4 cavalry, and an onager. This basic template works for almost every army you can play, and against most enemies. Just make the infantry line out of the toughest units you can afford, preferably with shieldwall or spearwall or testudo.


Next post will detail how to win battles in Attila.

how the hell am I supposed to know if TROM3 is working properly without getting halfway into a game

>>135136838
Again, it's because of their insane charge bonus and the fact that they have a fear aura around them that makes their enemies want to run. Use your axe units instead.

>>135137257
Sorry senpai I cant find you, there are 2400 Yeezus.

Gotta link it for me, just use a spoiler if youre afraid.

>>135137257
Kanye plays total war?
I knew it.

>>135136830
>>135131972
Please tell me! Galko-chan

Where the fuck do I get back into the series? There's been like 20 million releases since I picked up Empire:TW

>>135137461
Well, uh, first of all, the main Shogun 2 menu will have TROM3 right in the middle, where Shogun 2's title would be. When you start a campaign, you should start with a unit that looks like a katana samurai, but is named differently.

>>135137634
>find the game in the setting you like the most
>play it

What more could you need to know?

>>135137649

jesus I didn't even notice the TROM3 logo.

Thanks

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>>135137268

This is a lot of words, if you don't want to read it, I'll make a really short tl;dr at the end.

Most enemy armies will look roughly like what I told you to build above. Roman armies will have more infantry and less archers and cav, and barbars will also tend to have less cav.

You start a battle by forming a line out of your melee infantry. You never want the line to be less than 3 men thick, but aside from that, you want it to be as wide as possible. If these infantry have the shieldwall, spearwall, testudo, or pikewall abilities, use them, but remember that these abilities make a unit bunch up, and this will reduce the thickness of the line. So, if you don't start the battle with your men in one of these formations, leave them 4-5 men thick so they keep a good thickness in shieldwall or etc. Picrelated.

When the battle actually starts, and you see how wide the enemy's line is, adjust the length of your line. You want to make sure that your line is at least as thick as the enemy line. If that's not possible, then have the infantry units at either side of your line bend back a bit, so that your line looks like a trapezoid without a bottom. After this, you can forget about them.

Place archers in front of the line. When the enemy gets close, run them behind the line. If they're crossbowmen, turn off free fire, because otherwise they'll shoot into the backs of your men and kill them. Make sure to get your archers behind quickly if the enemy tries to charge them with cavalry - this is common, but stupid, because it usually ends with their cavalry chasing your archers into your main infantry line, which gets them killed.

Dealing with cavalry next.

>>135128698
>Legendary WRE pre-buff This Is Total War run
Is this even fucking possible to pull off holy shit

actual ancestry aside, the Slavs gameplay traits correspond to

Venedians = East Bloc Slavs, Polan & Ukraine, getting buttfucked by the CPSFR (Huns)

Anteans = Yugoslav partisans whom fight in the Balkans against superior imperial powers

Sclavenians = trve VSSR, indepandank & stromk

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>>135128698

>>135137268
Why is WRE infantry better than ERE infantry?

>>135138454
HERCULIANI SENIORES

ELITE PALATINA

>>135138454
They just get out right better troops. ERE gets better Cav

>>135138191


Your cavalry should be divided between both sides of the line. They're all you need to actively control early on, if things go right. Their first objective is to defeat the enemy cavalry, because that frees up your cav to do whatever they want.

Cav are the hardest part of the game. For a long time, I always took heavy casualties on my cavalry, and I still do if I fuck up my micro. However, if you are worried, just leave them out of the battle until the enemy has committed their infantry to attacking yours, when it becomes a lot easier to maneuver cav without them dying.

The main thing about cav is that they cannot hold up in a melee fight against normal melee infantry, and if they lack armor they will die very quickly to ranged units. However, if you know how to use them, you will get a lot out of them.

Let's go over how to use cav against each type of unit:

Ranged infantry:

Almost any cavalry unit can take on almost any ranged unit in melee, and win. Your only worry is that you won't be able to rout the enemy ranged unit before the enemy brings in melee infantry to even the fight, or before nearby ranged units fire into the mob and kill you (because horses are larger than infantry). If you aren't charging, stay the fuck out of range. If there are infantry who could reach the ranged infantry in 30 seconds, stay the fuck out of range. If there are cavalry who could reach the ranged infantry, stay the fuck out of range unless you have more cavalry than them. If there are isolated ranged infantry, charge their shit, and they WILL die.

cont.

So in my AoC campaign Carloman just died, should I claim his land, I dont think I would stand any chance in the war, I didnt know I could buy some of the land out but the text said that some of his generals would support me?

>>135139076
Fight him. You just need to take Carloman's capital to claim all of his lands.

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>>135138852


Cavalry vs. Cavalry:

Medium cav beat light cav, heavy cav beat all. If your cavalry is as heavy as the enemy's, they will generally win a 1-on-1 fight if they get the charge off, rather than being charged. Doubled up cavalry hitting one unit from two sides will almost always win - hit with the first, then maneuver the other around to hit the enemy in the rear.

If you see a chance to hit the enemy cavalry far enough away from their infantry such that their cavalry will rout before the infantry can reach the battle, take it. The chief concern is that you never end up in a normal melee fight with normal infantry.

Cavalry vs. Infantry:

No. Just no, unless you've stacked things heavily in your favor. This can mean several things:

1. Very heavy cavalry hitting isolated light infantry. Usually you'll win, but you will likely lose some horses, more than you should.
2. Two normal cav units taking on a single isolated infantry unit. If an infantry unit is isolated, and won't receive help for 30 seconds, you can hit it with one unit of cavalry, then maneuver the other unit around to hit the enemy in the rear. The enemy will take heavy casualties, and probably rout quickly.
3. Hitting infantry that are engaged with your own infantry. The hammer of the hammer-and-anvil - if your cavalry don't have to worry about being attacked because the enemy is already attacking another unit, feel free to charge them in. The enemy will rout quickly when it's being attacked from behind.
4. The enemy is fleeing - cavalry are great for killing routing units, because they can't be hurt, and can outrun anything but other cav.

Picrelated shows normal early-battle cav duels. You can see me fucking them, and also getting fucked up.

That's pretty much it, I'll finish off with a post about how to manage the main line battle, but it really isn't hard to do.

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>>135128698
How...

>>135139434

How to manage the main line, and the general course of a battle:

So, eventually the enemy's infantry will reach yours. If your men were in testudo, cav charges against your line failed miserably, and enemy ranged units probably haven't done much damage. It'll be a line of your own melee infantry at full health, against theirs, who are probably at full health if you haven't been using your onager properly (will explain that in an addendum). Either way, your men will hold out, and if your infantry are better than theirs, will eventually cause them to rout.

However, you never want to win via a long slog if you don't have to. You get around it with the hammer and anvil.

Even if their infantry aren't weakened or outnumbered, your infantry will hold the line while you try to win with your cavalry. Once you defeat their cavalry, bring your own horsemen around to hit their ranged units once the enemy melee line hits your own. Their ranged units will be defenseless without infantry to protect them, and will rout quickly. You can then bring your cavalry into the rear of the enemy line while it's engaged fighting your own. Once this happens, the battle is won, because wherever your cav hit, the enemywill rout quickly, and then you can bring your men who were fighting those routed enemies to surround the enemies who are still fighting.

This is called rolling up the line, and once it starts, the battle is yours. However, oftentimes you can start doing it even without cavalry. If the enemy has less infantry than you, or some of their units were weakened by your ranged units and onagers, gaps will appear in their line once they reach you. Some part will be thinner than another, and when the men at that part rout, you'll have an opening to move through and start hammering the enemy infantry from behind with your own infantry.

This is the only time that you want to break your line - when the enemy has broken first.

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>>135105262
Just started a campaign as Oda. This is the situation at the very start of the campaign.

>>135140112

cont.

Say, for example, you concentrated missile fire on one unit while it was approaching your line. It goes down to half strength before it hits you, and then loses enough men to start routing after only a short period of combat.

If the rest of their line is in melee with your own, they won't be able to move to plug the gap, and if one of your units is free, either due to routing enemies, or because you left it in reserve, it can then move through that gap to behind the enemy line. This unit can then hit one of the enemy units from behind, and start the rolling-up process.


Sorry, it's late and I'm distracted by something else, so this feels really rambly. I'll summarize it all in the next post.

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>>135138279
lil

>>135140375

To summarize:

1. Form a strong line of infantry, in testudo/shieldwall/spearwall.
2. Leave ranged units in front to do early damage, and draw out their cav into a stupid charge. As soon as cav or infantry get close, pull ranged units back behind your line.
3. Defeat the enemy cav with your own.
4. Remember to stay away from ranged units if melee units are nearby them, but once the enemy melee units reach your own melee line, rout their ranged units with your cavalry.
5. Bring your cavalry back and charge the enemy melee line from the rear.
6. If there are any openings in their line, or if you have a wider line than theirs, send open infantry units behind the enemy line, and then attack them from the rear.

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>>135140375
>>135140112
>>135139434
>>135138852
>>135138191
>>135137268
>>135140375

I'm not that anon, just someone else who plays TW sometimes and wants to get really into Rome 2

this is exactly the kind of condensed and to the point info I needed to git gud at battles, thanks a lot anon!

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>>135138262
>>135138404
>>135139885
>>135128698
Clearly it's possible because he actually finished it, the absolute fucking MADMAN.

>Legendary
>WRE
>Pre-buff
>"This is Total War" mode

https://youtu.be/eErRAMqhkio

Brb committing sudoku.

>>135140646

How to win defensive siege battles:

Leave testudo/X-wall units at each chokepoint into the central part of your settlement. Put ranged units on the battlements. Hold as many melee units as possible in reserve inside. Hide your cav in forests either inside or outside the city.

The enemy will moshpit one or more chokepoints into the center. If one of your defending units is about to break, move a reserve unit into its place.

Use your cav to pick off any enemy ranged units that are unprotected. Usually, this means onagers, but you can also sometimes get archers or slingers who are unprotected by melee troops.

Once ALL of the enemy melee units are committed to moshpitting, if you have any chokepoints that aren't being moshpitted, take as many reserves as possible out of that chokepoint, and move around to hit one of the other moshpits at the rear.

The AI makes this very easy, and you can surround and destroy their moshpits without much difficulty. You can win almost any siege battle this way, as long as you have 5-6 heavy infantry.

>>135140336
Oh and that southernmost army with just the general unit crashes 100% if you select him.

Is poison OP?

>>135141049
Yes

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>>135140904
A choke point can easily turn into a slaughter.

>>135140772

Having done the same thing on Hard, it's really not all that bad. I mean, yes, the margin of error drops significantly on Legendary, and there are a few key battles I would have lost in my run. But I don't think those would have necessarily ended my campaign, just made it an actual challenge.

As long as you have two stacks in northern Italy and one stack patrolling the south, with the rest of your armies on garrison duty in the north Italian towns, you can hold onto Italy indefinitely, precisely because of the retarded way that the AI handles settlement battles.

They moshpit against testudo, you bring reserves around through unmoshpitted pathways to surround the moshpit and destroy it.

Granted, I didn't complete the run, but I got to a point where there was literally no challenge. If I had played until Attila came and spammed his horsefucker stacks, it might have become a real challenge... but I don't really think so. The force multiplier you get from defensive settlement battles is completely fucking insane.

>>135141145
Everything is easy with Alaric

>>135139398
I quit the campaign, I cant sustain the War weariness since I cant make peace and it spawns more and more rebels.
I managed to make an attack on Paris but the Army of veteran armored everything would just roll over me, I have never seen a worse design than AoC.
I was literally decimating my armies 24/7 to keep them from mutiny while reinforcing them and there was no way the seperatists would agree to peace.

>>135140741

NP anon, I was worried that it would be too disjointed and ramble-y to be of much use.

I might distill it into a more concise, clear guide later.

>>135141145

One thing you need to worry about is that in the largest moshpits, the units at the rear aren't actually in combat, so they can immediately turn around and engage in normal combat with your hammer units. If you try the usual hammer tactic of using lighter units to break heavier ones by hitting them in the rear, you're going to lose a lot of men.

You'll still probably win, because straggler units from the front of the moshpit will get the "attacked in rear" debuff, but I've cut it really close with fights against mega moshpits.

I really hope that on tuesday the video that we get isn't just a teaser trailer but something of substance.

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I'll ask again because apparently the first one it went unnoticed

What graphics settings do you guys run on Attila with? Which have you noticed having the most/least impact? I'm on a mid-low range card so I'm looking to optimize looks and performance.

>>135141651
first time*, sorry

>>135141651
Typically I run lower quality graphics for weather, water, sky, etc because these tend to cause the worst effects for me.

>>135141392
>Moshpits
Typically yes, although there are exceptions. In >>135141145
case the combat had been going on for so long that every one of the units had already sent guys into the fray (ergo they were all in combat).

>>135097332
DEI has several submods to change the duration of the yearly cycles, speed of battles utility submods and others.

The Ancient Empires team has submod for DEI officially supported by the DEI team, which changes the Grand Campaign map to that of the Augustus Campaign, a 1-hit-point battle system, among other things, but it's still unfinished.

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These African legions are not as African as I'd like.

Guy from here again
>>135133093

What would be a good faction to start with if I'm trying to learn battles? I'm on Vanilla with only vikings DLC because I don't pay for DLC and support jewish overlords

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>>135143315
Visigoths, Romans, Saxons are a couple good ones.
Visigoths have great pike infantry, which will flawlessly soak up melee units, and generally good units.
Romans have the best units in the game and will typically beat down most others.
Saxons have a pretty good starting position in that youll be fighting mostly other Germans, who have similar units to yours so you can learn their strengths and weaknesses.
My thoughts, hope they help

>>135143579
Thanks!

- With love the guy who's auto resolved over 300 hours of TW gameplay

>>135143315

As I said here >>135137268

Try out the WRE. ERE could work too, but honestly I think it's easier to turtle in Italy or Hispania than it is in Anatolia and Greece against both barbars AND Sassanids.

If you play as WRE, just concentrate all of your troops into either northern Italy or Hispania, and build garrison buildings in the border towns near the Alps/Pyrenees.

Once you have 1-2 full stacks, start building small armies to bolster the garrisons of the border cities. It's so easy to turtle that you won't face many problems, and you'll have time to build up Italy or Hispania to support more armies, eventually to go out reconquering.

I found that just stationing a full stack in Aquilea is often enough to keep barbars from even trying - they'll see a full stack garrisoned in a town, and decide that it isn't worth attacking.

Are there any must-have mods for Attila or is vanilla just fine for a first playthrough?

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Uuuh....

So I'm doing the Prologue in Attila, and I can't recruit Scouts when they tell me to recruit Scouts.

Huh. Maybe there's some pre-requisite tech or building that I need? Kind of strange though since it's supposed to be a tutorial

>>135145089
Vanilla is fine. Play it then try mods if you must

>>135145089
less climate change

>>135145249
You recruit them into armies, they're troops not agents

>>135145249
Yeah you need a market for spies/scouts
Temple for priests
Administration center of some kind for champions

>>135145249
>Certain buildings,indicated by red icons on the recriutment panel must be constructed before an agent of a specific type can be recriuted

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>still no Slavic Nations torrent

>>135145905
Why do you even want them?

>>135146146
Need latest version of Attila for newest mods

>>135146242
So buy Attila

>>135146242
Making mods or playing mods?

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ALL OF CHRISTENDOM

>>135146446
WILL BE AWED

>>135144627
Man, this might sound silly. Romans aren't interesting to me at all. I hate them honestly, I'm only fond of the Norse, Anglo-Sax, and Greek factions.

>>135145089

Just get some reskin mods

>>135145089
The major overhauls are all trash. Play the game vanilla, find out what you don't like about it and then look for small mods that fix those issues.

>>135145089
Radious.

Any of the Rome 2 extra campaigns worth it?
Will any of them add anything to the base game as well somehow?

>>135118509
They're also taller and require a slightly different skeleton or else the animation would not look professional :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXCAnhsuOBM

So good.

Rome 2 had better trailers overall than Attila did.

>YOUR FATHERS WERE BURRIED. IN THE FIELDS OF SICILY

>>135147156
CiG and HAtG are worth

yes they are supposed to explain that era more and more in that era the battle between scipio and hannibal was deeper than that the alliance each of scipio and hannibal made with the local tribes of north africa was marvellouse hannibal alliance with sfax and scipio alliance with massinissa that was for those 2 kings ( massylia and massyssli ) the battle of hannibal and scipio was allso the rise of the new whole kingdom of nomidia that rulled by massinissa and sfax as the king of the westren province under missinissa then the battle of the tuareg and the south who are the berber free warriors who refused to be under massinissa and had battles with nomidia there was to many events at that era i think rome 2 should explain after all TOTAL WAR is a HISTORICAL INTERACTIVE BOOK

>>135147674
Why was Carthage this vengeful?

>>135148442
Rome BTFO them the fuck out of them the first time

>>135148476
Kinda like germany in ww1/ww2?

>>135148527
Kinda I suppose, but even harsher.

I'm not an expert on the Punnic wars

>>135148442
After the first Punic War, Rome forced Carthage to give almost their entire supply of tendies to Rome. Hannibal didn't like that at all.

>>135148673

Specifically, they had to dismantle the local Tyson® Tendies factory, and relocate it to Rome.

The oft-quoted "I will arrest the destiny of Rome" was, in the original Punic, actually closer to "it is my destiny to arrest the Romans for stealing my tendies".

>>135148442
First war between them ended pretty evenly if in Roman favor, generals agreed to peace then drew up terms and went home. Roman senate didn't agree after everything was settled and changed the deal. Carthage, especially Hamilcar who had been kicking ass in the war, felt betrayed by Rome. Kind of like the treay of Versie

>>135148673
>>135148770
Ah the Punnic Wars experts have arrived

Playing as WRE and I figured its a good idea to dismantle all the buildings and pull back to italy/Africa.

After all those Niggers declared war on me I think I might focus on just holding Carthage or abandon it aswell.
After dismantling all the buildings and churches I started the next turn with 100K to build up Italy.
First I had a famine but that is now fixed aswell, next step is converting to paganism again and bolstering my defenses.
I tried what happens when you abandon settlemetns and .....yea bad idea so I will just let them rebel, can the rebels outside of my safe-zone affect me somehow?
My plan is to make rebels/barbarians tear each other apart while I tech up.
Did I miss anything else?

>>135149106

see >>135144627

WRE is piss-easy if you can get a full stack in northern Italy before the deluge starts in full.

>>135146505

Well, OK, your loss. There aren't any Greeks, so I guess you're stuck with the Anglo-Saxons.

Pretty sure they get good-quality line troops at a reasonable time, and before that point, you're just fighting other barbars with shit-tier melee troops.

Vikings in particular have a good starting position, nobody really expands into Scandza.

>>135147674
Jesus, Romans suck at diplomacy.

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>>135147674
>OVER THE ALPS PERHAPS? AND I SUPPOSE HE WILL BRING WITH HIM, AN ARMY OF ELEPHANTS? *Amused Senatorial Chuckling Intensifies*

Hannibal at the Gates had the best trailers.