/shmupg/ - Shmup General

Danmaku horis are an abomination

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why must Raiden V be Xbone exclusive.

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3rd for release when?

>>133375283
This game is too fucking fast

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I can't believe you guys let the last thread die! Stop getting hit by bullets you could've easily dodges!

>>133376663
IKD knows this is impossible, right?

>>133376771
AFAIK, he likes to make games with some bullshit difficulty.

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>>133376771
Give it some time! Someone might beat it in a couple years. Don't say it's impossible unless 7 years of time have passed!

>>133375010

We can only conclude the game is shit and they don't want us to find out, so they pretend to release it on a platform nobody bought.

>>133377236
Dodging the first pattern is weird. On one end it's not as bad as it looks. But it still feels like luck.

I still think it would be better to hold our STG threads on /jp/ instead of /vg/

>>133382080
You go do that.

>>133382080

Why though?

>>133380894
>make a shmup and liter it with enemies with tons of destroyable parts
>make the loops all about the suicide bullets
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Why is there no mobile/tablet release for Deathsmiles 2? Was it not that good in general?

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>>133380894
Hey I dont remember the bullets going that slow. Did you change something in the debug menu?

>>133384043
Because players used to host Touhou/STG general threads on /jp/ all the time. STGs are still a somewhat Japanese thing after all. It's also quite a bit slower than /vg/ so it wouldn't require so many forced bumps.

>>133386809
/jp/ is too fruity.

also
>/jp/ """"""""culture""""""""
>/jp/ """""""""""""""memes"""""""""""""""

Rather be on neutral ground.

>>133385627
Well, yeah.

>>133388127
But why?
Dont you want the true Cho Ren Sha experience?

>>133388863
I kinda already had my time with true experience.

>>133386809

Your idea is cute, CUTE!

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Page 10! POST YOURE SCORES!

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>>133394462
All my scores suck dick tho.

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You wouldn't do anything weird to Shotia, would you?

>>133401791
I'd give her a big hug

>>133401791

Very weird, I'd put a sock in my hand and give her some lessons on kafkian matters by pretending the sock is a puppet.

>>133375283
Never ever

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>trying out Minogame in Hellsinker
>must fun shot type in the game
>but she's also practically easy mode
I'm conflicted.

>>133376771
I was under the impression a small handful of people have cleared Hibachi, not including the TAS that's on YouTube.

>>133407961
Hibachi and Inbachi are different TLBs though.

>>133408239
Yeah, I'm a bit retarded and keep mixing them up. I could swear a few people have cleared Inbachi, but then I've only seen proof for one.

>>133401791
I'd make her pilot my ship, if you know what I mean.

>try practicing the Second Loop of CRS
>Stage 3 boss gets me every time even though he doesnt change at all
What the fuck, it's not even the part with death bullets that gets me.

I'm the kind of guy that loves hard games.
I completed Super Meat Boy with A+ scores and Hotline Miami 1&2 on S ranks, Devil May Cry 3 on Dante must die, Metal Gear Rising Revengeance with no damage taken, Dark Souls and so on, I'm not here to brag.
I just wanted to ask you guys if you've got any suggestions for hard games on PC preferably, but any platform will do.

>>133417694
Pick up Mushihimesama on steam, try to clear Ultra mode. That should keep you busy for a while.

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6 lives lost on 2-3 and 2-4 combined...

>>133417694
Crimzon Clover on Arcade Unlimited, or Mushihimesama 1.5 Ultra MAX. If you're open to emulation, you can also try Truxton/Tatsujin and Truxton 2/Tatsujin Oh, or Gradius III, or go for a 2-all in a Cave game.

>>133417854
is there any reason for why you use player 2?

>>133417694
Ketsui Ura 2-ALL.

>>133417694
DDP DOJ WL 2-All

>>133417694
Don't forget to go for the 1cc or play for score in all the games being named!

>>133418696
No, the sides are not any different aside from the starting position for emptylocking helicopters at the start of 1-1.

>>133419493
Isn't there a slight rank difference for player 2?

>>133417694
Touhou is hard as FUG

>>133420810
le

>>133419710
>From my testing, the rank mostly changes how much in-stage enemies shoot: on a high rank, enemies shoot tons of bullets like stage 5; on low rank, they shoot few bullets, like stage 1. Rank does not seem to affect bosses nor mid-bosses at all.
>If you take a while on bosses, you can probably add 6 to 10 to rank per-boss, out of a maximum of 240. The only way to affect rank is by making the game go by faster (by speedkilling bosses), and by not picking up power ups. The player 2 trick makes the power up value cut in half (instead of power level * 4, it's power level * 2), so you can cut up to 10 points off of rank by playing player 2 (sorry, my value was wrong; you can cut up to 1/24th of maximum rank. Don't know how I came up with 1/7th...).
>EDIT: The only inputs to the rank function are time, stage, loop, and power; nothing else can affect it.

Japanese players seem to use P1 side more often (like most players) and I've never heard about any tangible differences.

why do rank systems have to exist

>>133421298
To make you suffer.
Although some are pretty cool like Hellsinker's

>>133421298
to make people put in more coins

>>133421836
>>133421990
Does DDP have one, or just DOJ?

>>133421990
Go back to /v/.

>>133422226
It's strictly true though.

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>>133422226

>>133422226
what the fuck does that even have to do with /v/

>>133422226
YGW said himself Garegga has extreme rank scaling because he wanted to help arcade operators. The game makes itself harder after every attract screen passes too.

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>>133422226

>>133422226
Go back to /ck/.

>>133422547
Arcaade games are not just hard to steal money they are hard to be interesting.

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>>133422656
>Make pizza thread
>Instant replies

>>133422226
It's partially true though.

>>133422820
It's both in general, but YGW admits in an interview a lot of Garegga's mechanics were unintended.

>>133422820
And a hidden rank system does not make the game interesting, it purely exists to steal money.
Direct difficulty designed as an apparent game mechanic makes a game interesting.

>>133423117
Rank is like level scaling to prevent the player from becoming too overpowered. If you are too OP the game becomes boring.

>>133423428
But you can't be "overpowered" in these games, there's a cap on power. There's nothing stopping them from balancing the game around you being at max power.

There is no excuse for a system that secretly punishes you for doing well just to squeeze more cash out of your pocket.

>>133423428
>>133423698
Rank makes sense in most arcade games and doesn't require management or thought, it's only if you're playing something made by YGW it becomes a mechanic you need to keep track of and manage.

>>133423698
Unless you're way too good for the game and there's a need to ante up your sweating a bit.

>>133423698
Of course you can be overpowered. If you constantly just collect weapon bombs in Garegga you easily can just bomb your way through it. If you use the bombs for scoring though, then the game becomes much harder.

So of course they had to implement some kind of rank system to prevent people who just play for survival to easily bomb their way through it.

>>133423698
>>133423117
but there's plenty of games with rank that aren't arcade games

>>133423915
In Gradius III you also have to pay attention to rank

>>133424885
Same also goes for DDP DOJ

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Which should I buy for DBCS?

21:9 that looks a bit too small
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824025212

16:9 to go with my current monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153

Are they any good? Didn't find too much on the 21:9

>>133398781
what am i looking at

>>133425972
that ultrawide seems pretty dope, but personally I used DBCS as an excuse to fully upgrade to a dual monitor setup, which I have enjoyed the benefits of immensely.

>>133425972
I'd go with 16:9 for a dual monitor setup.

>>133422656
Go back to /n/

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>>133427893
>>133430651
Thanks, gonna go with dual monitors. I currently have a dual setup but one is a bit smaller and it kept messing me up when I played with them.

>tfw mushi has started lagging and its unplayable now

I think it's something to do with my computer

>>133436995
Clean your PC.

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Cave-san's cute swimsuit!

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>>133441021
Dumb nep poster.

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>uni starts next monday
>NEET life is over

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>>133441021
>>133441628
>Cave fans

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>>133441628
>>133441021
Neps are lame

>>133442729
Git gud
You have my condolences

>>133442729
Jesus Christ dude why are your classes starting at the end of February?

>>133442851
That's obviously a Neptunia fan, Mr. Le Trash Man

>tfw getting Brendan Fraserd by Donpachi Stage 4

>>133442729
Man everyone starting uni recently.
Soon no one will be left to play shmups.

>>133425972
Get a 144Hz monitor. A large 60Hz IPS panel sounds like a one-way ticket to tears for STGs in terms of lag.

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>>133442729
>>133448285
>tfw too tired after work to play shmups for more than 1-2 hours
>I feel very real fatigue and can't keep going
>meanwhile I need at least 4 hours a day for getting gud at a pace that suits me
at this rate I'm running the risk of losing interest in the game because it bloody takes forever to practise

>>133438783
Any specific reccommendations?

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>>133449575
Real life is fucking gay, I want to go away from it.

>>133449710
CCleaner

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>>133394462
>Stage 3 kicks my ass
>Stage 4 is fucking fun as all hell
>Stage 5 is easy to fuck up on the second half
One day I will 1cc Arcade Normal and I will make myself proud. At least I can beat the doujin release just the same.

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Holy shit i finally 1cc'd Battle Garegga, took me almost 2 weeks but it was worth it.
Fuck this nigga though, i hate him even more than BH2.

>>133450419
I liked him more in Muchi Muchi Pork myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-PAiJjrYcw

YGW has a habit of reusing the same things and elements in his games I've noticed. Obsessive Rank Management, with a drive of stock/bomb gain and loss that ends up this weird game of abusing the fact that his games will forever keep giving 1Up's at score hallmarks, so you willingly die just before one to ensure to get the greatest rank drop before regaining your safety net.

>>133449448
I currently use the asus vg248qe as my main monitor. Thought about just getting another one, but the image quality is so bad, and it's still expensive.

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>>133449936

>novice

>>133451783
If you just play for survival I think it's actually better to do no suicides.
Suicides are only good to get bombs for scoring imo.

How much difference does having more than 60Hz do?

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>>133450419
Did you have to do any rank manipulation anon? That's my biggest worry with BG.

>>133450419
>Holy shit i finally 1cc'd Battle Garegga, took me almost 2 weeks but it was worth it.
God dude it takes me a month to 1cc easier games. Congratulations, dude.

>>133450419
Congrats! I already have 80 hours in it and still can't beat it. Will be something like 100 hours for me I think.

>>133454902
You definitely have to do some rank management, but it's not too complicated. For example don't collect too many main shot powerups if you play with Wild Snail, and try to use only 2 options until stage 5/6. Also don't shoot if you don't have to, that should be enough.

>>133454902
Yeah, you have to score decently to get enough extends and suicide sometimes to decrease rank, getting medals is enough for that though. From level 5 and 6 you can forget pretty much any rank manipulation.

>>133454997
Thanks dude.

>>133455687
I always found collecting medals isn't rewarding enough to collect them. Plus they also increase the rank if you collect them.

>>133455965
Only low value medals increase rank that much, 10k medals increase very little rank. My strategy was to not lose my medal-chain until Stage 6, then you can forget about them.

>>133455687
You're welcome dude.

>>133456245
I know, but it's still not neccessary to collect medals, since they hardly give any points. You need to collect 100 10K medals for a single extend... Regarding how demanding it is to collect them and how much bomb resources you blow out of the window(which also increases your rank) to make them appear, I find it is much better to play without medalling if you just want to 1cc the game.

>>133452817
Same difference as moving up to 60Hz from something lower.

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>>133374753
I noticed that Yagawa directed Daifukkatsu, how does it hold up compared to Ikeda's entries?

Also do you prefer Yagawa or Ikeda in general?

>Mushihimesama Week
Welp, guess it's time to nut up.

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>>133459771
Well Ikeda is pretty retarded, that's for sure

>Mushi week
Aww yeah.

>>133459771
>how does it hold up compared to Ikeda's entries?
I'd say it's one of the weaker entries, though stronger than DP and DDP2.

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>mushi week
What a surprise!

>>133460876
That's why I don't play progear, IKD is god.

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Started out Mushi week by finally beating arrange mode.
I was only a few million points away from my PB, though, which sucks.

>>133464095
>disses the whole hori genre
>next steam release is Deathsmiles
Why is Cave so retarded?

>>133465327
"It wouldn't work" is just an easy excuse to make when one doesn't actually want to make a danmaku hori,, it doesn't seem like a diss to me.

>>133469684
He said horis are inherently flawed in their design. Of course it's a diss.

>>133469926
Got a link to the interview then? I've only ever seen that image, and that quote comes across more as an "if I say it won't work maybe they'll stop asking."

>>133470293
It doesn't matter why he said this, fact is that he said that horis are shit

>>133470573
No he didn't, he said it's harder to see if you're in the path of the bullet. It's stupid regardless, but he said nothing about horis being bad in the quote provided.

>>133470723
He said they are inherently flawed in their design, which means that they are shit.

>>133470909
Apart from this, did he also diss every memoriziser in the interview by saying that if a game doesn't a good amount of freestyle gameplay it is a bad shooting game.

>>133471186
That's a stupid thing to say coming from the guy who made Futari Ultra, when without a route it goes from extremely difficult to completely unplayable.

Other than Deathsmiles, what's the easiest arcade shmup to 1cc?

>>133473364
http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7
All hail the list

>>133417694
Just bare in mind literally everyone of those gaming achievements you listed is not even a quarter of what it takes to get to a high level in a shmup. Play ketsui for either 2-alls.

>>133476173
Ketsui is though

>>133476236
*shit

>>133419493
This isn't true at all, some of the scoring strats are different for panzer and the 2nd loop is easier due to its high speed and straight shot not causing mega suicide bullet spam.

>>133418696
Panzer has an easier time in the loop.

>>133476236
>>133476317
Fascinating opinion comrade.

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>>133476317

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Please buy

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Mushihimesama Week motherfuckers

>>133476784
>>133477321
>my precious gayboy band shooter

which 2hu wud u fugg

>>133480780
Excellent bait efforts comrade.

>Implying any shmup story will ever be as cool as a homo erotic creeper suicide mission.

>>133470909
He was speaking specifically about progear and not horis in general.

>>133481360
Are you fucking retarded? He was talking about progear, yes but Progear is not the only horizontal shooter, you know...

>>133482382
Yeh, it's also a dating sim.

>>133482382
You fucking dumb cunt he was speaking particularly about progear because it was the first to try the cave danmaku formula in horizontal and his comments were related 100% to feedback from the location tests and player accounts at the time. Of course you can choose to have a semantics wank and point out that he fails to define it ultra specifically for the autistic cum eating wank baskets like yourself but alas you can't grasp context so spout off like a fuccboi in a grammar school.

>>133482552
>hey fucktard, what do you think about Progear?
>well, I'm retarded, so I can't dodge in horizontal shooters LOLOL
>HE WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT HORIS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT PROGEAR!!!!

>>133473364
Mushi Original 1.5

>>133482620
>Interviewed specifically about Progear
>HE'S ADDRESSING EVERY HORI EVER MADE

Velcro shoe straps detected.

>>133483615
He said "you can't dodge properly in horizontal shooters", not "you can't dodge properly in Progear", fucktard.
Read the fucking interview you brainless retard.

does anyone have a screencap of whats in the megalink? im looking for english patched hellsinker

>>133483615

But it is true tough that progear is kinda hard to make out while Dethosmailus seems easier.
Still, I wouldn't put my hand on the fire for this.

>>133483779
No he doesn't he says horizontally it's harder to track collision but doesn't address all horis. Go shove a sanwa up your ass and perform hadokens, shit weasel.

>>133483956
Indeed and this is why ikeda was only speaking about the danmaku hori concept, nobody ever has or ever will have that opinion of gradius or rtype.

>>133483971
You just said it yourself, fucktard. He was talking about horizontal shooting games. Seriously, are you mentally challenged or something?

>>133484065
Why would this only count for danmaku? Are danmaku the only games with bullets now?

>cavedrones in full defence force

>>133484142
Fuck me you are special ed tier. He is talking about horizontal WHEN it is the danmaku concept or do you think it rings true hat projectiles in fighting games are hard to dodge cus horizontal? how about run n guns? no? that's right because he isn't talking about those or classic horis do you get it yet you aspergers dildo. Stop huffing your own ass fumes.

>>133484292

Calm your tits, we also mentioned Deathsmiles is safe aswell.

>>133484294
Please point me out where he said that he was only talking about danmaku. He was saying (i repeat it to you again), "in horizontal shooters it's impossible to see properly if you are in the path of a bullet".

Danmaku games are not the only shooters with bullets, you fucktard.

>>133484292
>Why would this only count for danmaku? Are danmaku the only games with bullets now?
Because of the bullet count and small hitbox danmaku requires a type of refined focus and dodging style that isn't the same in typical horis. For what it's worth i hate cave horis but love metal black,border down, gradius and neither of these play fuck all like progear despite the retards here failing to see past hori orientation. When you are dumning shit down to a "everything that has bullets and hori is the same" you are showing you don't know or haven't played enough.

>>133484414
>Danmaku games are not the only shooters with bullets, you fucktard.
Obviously but they are the only ones that cram shit loads around a small hitbox concept you fucking pleb. I addressed it already but if you think playing progear is like playing other horis you're a fucking spastic. I will throat fuck your mother for no apparent reason.

>>133484446
Lower bullet count does not mean no bullets at all, you fucktard.
You still have to look if you are in the path of a bullet in Gradius, which was exactly what this person was talking bout

>>133484568
Gradius V also has a small hitbox and high bullet count, yet it plays perfectly fine as a hori, better than any cave garbage ever will.

You fucking cavedrone are just pulling shit out of your ass to defend your beloved Cave clown yet you have no idea what you are talking about

>>133484872

Hey bro, you can like cave and other shmups.

>>133484672
Still fucking derping, comparing progear to gradius is like comparing raiden to ketsui sure they all have bullets but the way you play and look at the game is completely different why can't you grasp this? A large hitbox can't be as versatile and the game design will ave less bullets to accommodate this therefore visually you have less in the way of spam to confuse your eyes and more in the way of memorizing a plan. Danmakus allow a certain amount of luck to be achieved due to the nature of the hitbox. Honestly have you even play a fucking shmup from each camp? So again no one is saying "hurrrr no bullets" of course they all have fucking bullets but from a player perspective danmaku is completley different to classic. If they were all the same in the over simplified dumb fashion you suggest then learning one game would translate to all however this clearly isn't the case as some ppl are great at classics but shit at danmaku and vice versa.

>>133484872
You know i hate cave horis right? and am a massive gradius fanboy right? So non of what you suggest is even relevant im not even sure where you got it from as im not defending anything other than the stupid idea that all horis play the same simply because they all feature bullets. FYI Gradius V is the worst gradius that dumbed down the concept to suit the cave drones and plebs you criticize, idiot. It does play better than any cave hori though i agree.

>>133484872
Doesn't have nearly as high of a bullet count and the patterns are very basic compared to the average CAVE game

>>133485043
>im not defending anything other than the stupid idea that all horis play the same
Where did I ever say that all horis play the same, you fucking retard?

I don't give a single shit what kind of games you mentally challenged retard like, but stop pulling shit out of your ass just to defend your beloved Ikeda. He was clearly stating that in hori games you can't dodge properly, and never said anything about that this would only count for Progear or danmaku.

If you can't understand this, then you really should seek help. Just because the interview was about Progear, does not mean that saying "you can't see the path of a bullet in horizontal scrollers" does not apply to horizontal shooters in general.

It does not fucking matter if it's bullet hell or not, since the person talked about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally. It does not matter if your hitbox is smaller or not, nor does it matter if there are ten bullets, or 100 bullets. He was talking about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally ffs.

>>133483937
Well that's a mega for shmupmame, and last time I checked Hellsinker wasnt an arcade game(was it?).

But if you give me a couple minutes I'll find you a mega link to hellsinker.

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>>133483937
>>133485691
Alright, here it is:
https://www.mediafire.com/?48812jiax8m1c

It's in the "Keep your Dignity" folder, but I dont think it comes pre-patched. So you're gonna have to download it from here:
http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/2475

>>133485297
>cavedrone calling other games basic
Cave games are simplistic as fuck. The level design in Gradius V is ten times more complex to the point where you even have to solve small puzzles on the fly.

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Can shmups help me cope with my crippling depression?

>>133486357
No, play some Nintendo games or whatever.

>>133486304
Has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said and doesn't make it any less true. Calm down, you sperg.

>>133474423
How does that list work? The lower number = Harder to beat or what what? Because R-Type LEO is painfully easy to 1cc, yet it's ranked 15 or so, and I find that odd at best.

>>133486357
It'll probably make it worse to be honest.

>>133486512
Of course it has to do with it. fucktard. Gradius doesn't just mind numbingly throw bullet pattenrs at you, it actually also has level design where you have to dodge environmental hazards and enemies.

And the bullet patterns in V are not basic at all. In the stage with the meteroids for example the whole screen is just full of metroids and bullets flying in completely arbitrary and random ways, constantly bouncing off of each other. This is much more complex to dodge than than your shitty aimed Cave bullets or spiral patterns, which only become hard when they fly with unfair speed at you.

>>133486512
>>133486776
Man, how long are you guys gonna keep at it?

>>133486576
The higher on the list the harder

>>133486776
Congratulations on finding a section of the game with a bullet patterns about as complex as basic attacks of the stage 1 bosses of most CAVE games. Idiot.

>>133486974
>R-Type LEO
>Higher then R-Type II
>Higher then Crimzon Clover
>Higher then 19XX
...Who the fuck made this list then because this is shit ass backwards. LEO's one of the easiest STG's because your auto homing options can just be spammed without any limit and they deal so much fucking damage at that. Along with utterly basic bullets the game might as well play itself beyond the stage hazards.

>>133487284
Actually I think it's lower on the list than all those.
As in, list starts of with the hardest at 45 then descends to easiest at 1.

>>133487010
Stage 1 bosses in Cave games are simple as fuck. You basically just have to remember 2 save spots and that's it.

>>133487669
DOJ

>>133486357
Only exercise and anime can help. Then when you start feeling better try some shmups.

>>133486357

Eh, it actually helped me through a very hard time, fampai.

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>>133487827

I've already replaced videogames and anime with alcoolism and hentai.

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>>133374753
Dem lolis

>>133401791
I'd vigorously buy her game, just like Deathsmiles on steam. Shmups with cute anime girls in them are my weakness.

>>133421298
To punish players for playing good.

>>133441021
Doujins?

>>133401791

I'd start my game with her, if you catch my drift.

>>133401791
Which of the dolls do you guys think had the darker ending in DOJ?

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>>133485467
>Just because the interview was about Progear, does not mean that saying "you can't see the path of a bullet in horizontal scrollers" does not apply to horizontal shooters in general.
Yes it does because he was talking specifically about progear and everything in relation to it. You hear him use the word horizontal and have decided he meant all horizontal shmups which he didnt.

>>133485467
>It does not fucking matter if it's bullet hell or not, since the person talked about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally. It does not matter if your hitbox is smaller or not, nor does it matter if there are ten bullets, or 100 bullets. He was talking about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally ffs.

Yes it matters as in clasical shmups its far easier to see the threatening bullets and calulate your hitbox due to it being much more visual and clear where as danmaku aims to give you sensory overload and in that situation which ikeda was specifically talking about it can be a problem seeing the horizontal bullets in relationship to the ship when the hitbox is 2 pixels and there's a screen of bullets. People who hate progear have no issue with other horis at all why is that? do you understand yet? You're so dumb you can't even see when you imply something and you make assumptions like a mother fucker also show your scores because now i believe you're a shit player with no experience in the genre and that'd explain your inability to understand. Just a reminder you said something this hilarious moronic.....
>It does not fucking matter if it's bullet hell or not, since the person talked about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally. It does not matter if your hitbox is smaller or not, nor does it matter if there are ten bullets, or 100 bullets. He was talking about seeing the path of a bullet horizontally ffs.

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>>133487284
Hardest at top easiest at the bottom so leo is not harder than any of the games you listed.

>>133497536
Shotia had the saddest ending
Exy had the darkest ending

>>133498212
I forgot the details of Shotia's ending, but Exy's ending never leaves my head. She fucking strangles you to death! Though I forgot why.

>>133498552
Oh yeah, and I love how Leinyan got the happier ending between the two.

>>133498552
She loses all her memories of being a slave, the last memories she has left before she dies are of when she was human

>>133498776
You know what the most bone chilling part about the Element Dolls are? Apparently, in the ending, the game reveals that the dolls are actually once humans forced into the cybernetic bodies and their minds rewritten to be servants.

>>133494685
As long as the shmup is fun as fuck they can add sexy girls as characters for all I care.

>>133474423
>Darius 2 that high
Nigga it took me one day to 1cc.

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Survey time:
Which of these ship/character types do you prefer in your STGs?

>Spaceships
>Lolis
>Teenagers with powers
>Jets
>Helicopters
>Chubby chicks
>Bishonen
>Flying robots
>Bugs
>Animals
>Dragons
>Old planes
>Youkai/Fairy/Magical maiden type

>>133501349
I don't care

>>133501349
>Youkai/Fairy/Magical maiden type
yes
>Jets
classic
>Bishonen
also nice

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>>133501349
>Spaceships
>Chubby chicks
>Youkai/Fairy/Magical maiden type
These ones.

>>133501349
I'd take anything if the game's fun.

>>133501716
This is the one true answer.

>>133501349
I'm too busy looking at anywhere on the screen but the player sprite, so I can play either as a moeblob or a standard spaceship/plane.

>>133501349
Don't forget the hot girls. Unless that lies in one of the things listed.

>>133501349
cute traps

>>133501349

Fuck helicopters.

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Worth it?

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>>133504961
If you like playing caravan shooters, I would say yes! The blowing stuff up and scoring is pretty fun.

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>Take a week-long break from stg.
>Come back and get wrecked by everything

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>>133509081
This is my biggest fear.
It's why I play even just for 5 minutes everyday.

>>133497705
>You hear him use the word horizontal and have decided he meant all horizontal shmups which he didnt.
And you just pull shit out of your ass and act as if he was talking about danmaku only although he never said anything of this and clearly talked about horizontal scrollers.

>in clasical shmups its far easier to see the threatening bullets
That's complete bullshit. Bullets in Cave games are mostly visible as fuck, since they have very distinct colors and very big textures. The only bullets in Cave games which are threatening are those which fly with complete bullshit speed at the player, which has nothing to do with bad visibility but rather with bad game balancing.

>>133509081
>>133510878

>play kinda regularly
>start getting better
>sickly, abandon for a few months or so
>play worse than ever

It's real

>>133501349
Old Planes
Dragons but mostly i mean Miyamoto
Spaceships
Jets
Flying robots

>>133501349
A duck.

>>133486125
thank you

>>133501349
>Spaceships
>Old planes
>Helicopters
>robots
Pretty much in that order. Anything else is just retarded.

>>133511495
>interview is specifically about cave games and at that point progear

>he's talking about all hori games

>being this retarded y2k16

What is the difference between Play and Score Attack in Mushi?

>>133520220
Score Attack submits your run to the leaderboards.
That's it.

>>133520220
>>133521246
Play also allows you to restart. Score Attack you have to go back to the menu should you decide your run is too shit to continue.

>>133518980
>he literally said "you can't see the path of a bullet when horizontally scrolling"
>this somehow only applies to Progear
Fuck off you fucking retarded cavedrone and go back to jerking it to your touhou waifus

>>133523019
Sure dude, show that Progear 2ALL to the world because hori bullet hell so ezy xd

Srs question.
Am I the only one silly dancing to the input intials music of Mushihimesama?

>>133525823
I did for the first few days, now I just skip through that as fast as I can.

>>133523019
>go back to jerking it to your touhou waifus
implying i'm gus

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>>133501349
>no cho option

>>133521246
Also you can upload a replay.

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Imagine DBCS with a level editor

>>133530443
It'd be like every other level editor: a few cool things way down the line, and loads of shit.

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>>133501349
Chubby Animal Lolis.

Dis game mang.

>>133524346
What does this even have to do with this? If you couldn't see the path of a bullet in Progear, then you also couldn't see it in any other hori. This doesn't make any sense.

>>133501349
Helicopters, dragons, space ships, old planes in that order

>>133474423
>moon runes

>>133534074
Because we are talking about progearm which is a shit game.

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This boss

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>>133501349

>no cute brown anime lolis option

Put this survey in le trash.

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Just conquered OPPAINVADER. Fuck the last boss.

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>>133543514
I might need this game.

>>133501349
Anything but helicopters piloted by bishonen.

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Lewd shmups. Post them.

>>133545352
>tfw Ketsui has actual sex appeal for me because of the bishonen
I'm sure it's the last reason to play Ketsui for anyone sane, but not for me. I'm all over the bishonen inside helicopters.

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>>133545893
Cho Ren Sha

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>that sudden difficulty spike after the Segment 6 boss
Why do you do this to me game.
I just want to complete you.

So why does Stage 3 of Mushi have loads of slowdown for me but 4 and 5 run perfectly smooth?

>>133550830
Slowdown as in your computer is struggling or as in the game is coming to a crawl more readily than it should?

>>133554180
Think it's my computer struggling

Donpachi gets pretty wild on Stage 4 doesn't it

>>133550830
Mushi has a ton of intentional slowdown to emulate the Arcade release, since it's a part of so many superplay strategies. Enable steam's FPS counter, and if the slowdown starts and it's still showing 60 then it's intentional

>>133557161
It definitely isn't the intentional slowdown, I've played 20 hours and it's gotten a lot slower recently

>>133557413
Only advice I can really give is to clean out your PC and maybe reboot. However, I've also been chugging along more than usual lately (though my PC is a pos anyway) so I've taken to running it windowed 4:3 instead of 16:9.

Bump away from page 10.

>>133559182
Yeah it runs a lot better windowed, cheers m8

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>>133557413
Maybe try deleting local content and then reinstalling Mushi?

>>133545893
fuck off hearn

When I'm practicing stages, should I focus only on the ones I can consistently get to?

>>133566914
May as well practice later stages. It'll give you an idea of what to do once you finally start getting there in actual runs.

>>133566914
Yes, primarily focus on the stages you can get to, but also play through stages you can't reach yet too. It'll make the future transition more easy. It's easier to route stages you already have some vague experience with after all.

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Spent the whole day being uncommonly bad at everything. Why.

>>133569764
You just had a bad day, it happens.
There's some days I die to the stupidest shit, others I fly through bullets as if it was nothing.

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>>133570042
Shit's just been falling apart in general. When I practice individual stages the future looks bright, but on the next day my progress is seemingly undone and I need to learn everything again, so I was already feeling like I had been stuck in the same place when today I couldn't even get good at all. Stage 4A is crazy, stage 2 features strange difficulty spikes, I can sort of do the rest but the one time I made it into stage 5 I got so nervous I started forgetting Reisen's spells, and yeah, that was it for me.

I'm already at 36 hours of playtime in IN. Pretty sure I got my Lunatic 1cc's of EoSD and PCB summarily in about that time or less. Man, I heard this game was easy.

Can someone post that pic of a line of egret II's running SDOJ from last thread?
Shit was pretty, forgot to save

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>uni starts in few hours
>can't sleep

>>133572257
I've heard an anon said once that practicing stages individually is a waste of time. Running through a stage in practice wont help you on a full run, since you have a different state of mind.

I suppose there is a bit of truth to that, but I have manage to attain consistency on some stages through practice so take it with a grain of salt.

>>133572257
The nervousness when doing good is the worst. But that's what I love about about this genre.

>>133572257
Easy in that it gives you a shitload of resources, yes, and the patterns are a bit more static, but I'm sure there's a lot more happening in IN than EoSD or PCB.

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>>133574526
Just think, if you're fast enough you may be able to get a few good runs in before morning arrives.

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>>133574782
True I suppose, at some point stage practice doesn't do much anymore for a full run. I fell back on redoing later stages in practice mode after failing my best attempt at Reisen in the aforementioned way, both because I didn't want to see Wriggle again and because I wanted to jog my memory a bit.

Anyways, gotta get on it and do more runs when I'm rested. I can't stand being bad at danmaku, it's a personal offense toward myself. It's a good thing that I have cleared Lunatic modes before (while finding them easy for some reason) so I can remind myself that I'm in fact qualified for what I'm doing, to keep up motivation.

>>133575026
I agree, it's exhilarating.

>>133578396
I admit I'm reluctant to use up ALL of my resources. I bomb nearly always but if I end up bombing on Reimu's every spell and nonspell I consider that run failed, it just feels bad, so I restart. Maybe that's silly.

>>133574782
That's bullshit. If you feel stage practice isn't working, you're doing stage practice wrong. Try to think during practice and make an effort focus on trouble spots if you have access to savestates.

Runs are eventually necessary as well, of course, but practice especially on the latter stages of a game seldom reached in credits is very useful.

>>133574526
You have to sleep anon.

>>133579974
You're gonna have to get over that, at least if you're only playing for survival.

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>>133580008
I assume it's hyperbole. I haven't really tried out the hard games, but in Touhou as played for survival, all those perfect and nearly-perfect individually practiced stages combine to form an awkward full run more often than not because of nervousness and whatever else, so you don't really need the practice mode after you've become familiar with the stages anyway. In this case it can be said that stage practice after a certain point is 'a waste of time.' Anyways, I don't really know much about this.

>>133580606
Too many bombs, man. Well, I'll try.

Fucking hell, why is Mushi st3 boss the problem for me when the stage is much harder.

>>133584778
2nd form opener is really stupid, I just bomb it if it looks like I won't be able to get through it.

>>133587459
It's not even that, I think I've fucked up every one of that faggot's patterns today.

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>>133573326

>>133582171
>so you don't really need the practice mode after you've become familiar with the stages anyway
that's still nonsense, improving your consistency via stage practice is extremely important, even more so once you try to go for more difficult things than just a basic clear

>>133486357
Shumps can help if you are already good at them. More of a focus tool than actual aid though, it /will/ bring frustration on bad days.

It's only a temporary aid. Getting a good diet & exersize, a clean room, and consistently bathed will do you more good than a Shump can. Oh, and a Puppy. Or two. Or Eight.

I haven't played much shmups but always liked the genre. Currently I only have rimzon Clover and Exceed 3rd on steam but I'll probably get a new XBox 360 and I plan on buying some shmup for the system, namely Deathsmiles and Dodonpachi: Ressurection.
Are they any good and which other games could you recommend?

>>133601517
Touhou for PC

>>133601517
Futari!

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>>133601517
Muchi Muchi Pork.
Also, Akai Katana. It's dirt cheap.

>>133601585
>>133601762
>>133601947
Thanks, I'll look into them!

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>at uni right now
>first day and already contemplating suicide

>>133604219
just remember that you get to play shmups when you're home

>>133604219
uk or america? Not that it really matters i guess both are filled with deeply annoying insecure lefty cunts.

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>>133604219
Going to college is the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life.

Is there any good shmup on android?

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>>133604219
take it easy anon
just dont lose your head over it

>>133604219
>>133605012
Prolonged exposure to students tends to have that effect.

>>133604219
You need some help if you're already thinking of suicide.

>>133601517
Eschatos

>>133604219
Just be yourself.

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>>133572257
>When I practice individual stages the future looks bright, but on the next day my progress is seemingly undone and I need to learn everything again, so I was already feeling like I had been stuck in the same place when today I couldn't even get good at all
Then try this alternative method:
Do full runs using continues so you get used to reach the latter stages with different levels of resources and mental fatigue. The objetive should be slowly decreasing the amount of credits you use until you can finish it with only one.

It's not as fun as 1cc attempts (and neither as stressing) but you'll get a greater amount of experience with the whole game.

>>133612731
would nagato have the biggest hitbox in a kancolle shmup

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>>133613123
Yes.

Trying to work on a specific trouble spot with no savestates is suffering

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>>133613367
Then use them. Or do you actually believe japanese players on arcades didn't use any and all resources they could get their hands on to get better (including guidebooks, fan magazines, word of mouth, BBSs, etc).

>>133616810
>use them
I would, but they don't exist. Or rather they do exist but are barely functional and completely useless unless you want to see MAME go apeshit.

arcade players use credit feeding to learn a new game and it's an incredibly inefficient process.
I remember reading about some shitstorm where a Ketsui player got a special PCB from CAVE which allowed him to practice the TLB.

>>133617280
>arcade players use credit feeding to learn a new game and it's an incredibly inefficient process.
They would never admit they use something that isn't 100% publicly approved by their clique. You would have an easier time getting bodybuilders to admit they roid.

>I remember reading about some shitstorm where a Ketsui player got a special PCB from CAVE which allowed him to practice the TLB.
Fueled by envy of course.

>>133617280
Pro players or those aspiring to be denying they use any means to achieve their goals is a common practice. Nobody wants to give their competitors an excuse to downplay their perfomance.

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>>133617102
I know that feel! Keep trying, force yourself to learn from your mistakes and improve your route! I believe in you!

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>>133617102
It'll all be okay, anon.

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Don't die on me, thread.

>>133628234
Stop sullying this thread with your filth.

>>133628861
I agree.
You should at least post shmup girls anon, unless there's an Idolmaster shmup that I'm not aware of.

>>133628861
Okay, next time you save the thread.

>>133629420
They're extremely rare and i didn't feel like reposting pics everyone has already seen.

>>133628234
No promises

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>Haven't played Mushihimesama in about a month
>Terrible as fuck at it now

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>>133612731
>made a run with the intent of coin feeding till the end
>ready to use my coins but evidently I'm clearing despite atrocious performance in stage 5
>get FinalB instead of FinalA
>gameover at Kaguya
>...
>I'm sent straight to the bad ending screen with no ado
>meanwhile neither FinalA nor FinalB are unlocked for practice
Thanks ZUN

Good to have progress, I've never hit stage 6 before

>>133629621
Touhou girls are fine too.

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Still struggling on Stage 2-4 of Cho Ren Sha.
Those missiles are a lot easier to dodge when you're standing still, but now that there's suicide bullets that force me to move they just keep shitting on me.

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UP

Oh, come on /shmupg/ I can't be bumping this thread all night.

>>133641353
Real life is taking everyone

>>133641752
Good thing I don't have a life

Remember when we were all excited for Transition? It's been 2 full months since then

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>>133642928
>Remember when we were all excited for Transition?

And then it happened

>>133638618
Man I love Luftrausers. Blimp fucks me up, though.

>>133641353
I bump when I can, but I've got lectures sit through.

Man, LPers act quick these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI-5-95dFNk

>>133645471
Wow, stage 2 really hurts my eyes.

>page 10
thread pls

>>133645471
Jesus raiden v looks shite.

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>>133645471
What the fuck is this bullshit and why does it take up such a large part of the screen.
Game looks terrible.

>>133645471
So this is the power of the xbone

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>>133651092
Like I realize it's not even that complicated, but it's ugly.

>>133645471
Wow this looks really bad

>>133645471
Holy crap, that last boss that he fights. That's like some "Psikyo 2nd loop" crap.

so is a jamma pcb basically a mini computer that has all the hardware to run a game? And the cabinet is just a audio/video and input interface?

Any good shmups that will run on a mac?

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>>133645471
Yay, I love eurosmugs.

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Got my shit together and finally cleared IN!

>>133661448

That's a cute butt.

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>>133661520
Good work anon, cutting it a bit close there.

>>133661885
I pretty much went into Kaguya blind since I had no opportunity to practise her; I'm surprised to have cleared at all, seeing as this was my second time in FinalB. That, and of course I got nervous in stage 5 yet again, despite having just done it in practice mode. Ah well, in retrospect, EoSD seems to have been a bit harder to get a 1cc in.

>>133663023
cut my post short there...

>EoSD seems to have been a bit harder to get a 1cc in.
...because I started trying EoSD while completely comfortable with controls, whereas for IN, I switched from WASD to arrow keys and relearned to play with my right hand, which did a number on me pretty much, but I think it's better for me to use my right hand. Right now I can make short adjustments with my right hand more consistently, but my left hand remains the only one with which I can do perfect circles, and it's better suited to complex movements overall. I hope to change that.