XCOM General - /xcg/

nth for

>You are allowed to add one balance change to XCOM 2 to go with the inevitable "We fucked shit up on launch, here's your patch" patch. What is that change ?

Stun Lancers are balanced.

>>131066984
So what range is the sniper rifle best at?

Also, I need a mod to get Bradford to shut the fuck up on the terror missions. I know people are dying, i'm working on it

doin my part, its the piratebay torrent.
not sure if virus or bitcoin miner in it but it works

>>131067054
The overwhelming answer is to nerf Stun Lancers.
Fuck Stun Lancers. Hell, even just fucking decrease the amount of them you see to make them a little rarer than your average ADVENT trooper.

>first blacksite

alright how much lube should i prepare

>>131067120
I've started over three times because of it

What happens when the avatar project completes? I'm only 2 blocks away from it

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>>131067081
im retard

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xth for flying sneks

>>131067213
>floater viper
magnificent

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>>131067213
I'd be more concerned about Hoverlids

Finally able to play the game after dealing with an extended amount of bullshit.

I've only got one question, can you save scum with hacking? The bar is filling up different amounts each time, but I've failed this 40% hack 15 times now.

It's bordering on stupidity at this point.

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Awww yiss. Should I give it to my ranger or someone else?

>>131067081
>>131067179
>downloading nonscene

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>>131067213
>>131067257
>flying vipers
>flying Chryssalids
>next is flying Berserkers

>>131067179
this release is the pre-release dev mode one, you'll get redscreen warnings all the time since the game is bugged to hell

honestly, I don't think its worth playing the game right now unless you've some top of the line goyware that can get 60fps at all

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>>131067257
but I guess with a clear line of sight it's not so scary

>>131067313

yes

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>>131067326
>flying sectopods

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>Build AWC first building
>10+ promotions since
>no extra perks
Is the extra perks a roll on each level-up or on certain levels?
I just want my Training Roulette bullshit skills

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Post your Barbarossa

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>>131067397
>Flying Stun Lancers
>They swoop down like hawks

>>131067117

I think melee units in general are pretty badly OP as they stand, so much that the only ranged unit I could as more powerful than them is the Sectopod, if I can't start cleaning on the turn I trigger the pod and if it goes for a double shoot instead of that stupid "let me set up my superweapon" move

>Faceless can pop and melee dash on the same turn, which can easily fuck you over in earlier missions
>Regular Stun Lancers can dash melee you all the way from the fog of war
>Sneks can pull you from full cover and still use it when constricting someone, and are the first unit to introduce the dreaded Dodge mechanic
>Elite Stun Lancers gain an armor pip and can Dodge too, meaning that even a full Overwatch wall if you can set it up has significant chances to fail completely between the Overwatch penalty, the general miss chance from Dodge and Dodge grazed hits
>Chryssalids can burrow out of the ground and melee you, not even on their reveal turn, but immediately on move, meaning you can't even set up an overwatch trap
>Even if you do, they CAN DODGE too, have armor pips, tons of healths, and any unit they hit is going to die very dead unless you have a full Medic with 4 nanomedkits
>That gateway mission jesus christ

It really feels like, whatever they did for it to happen, they rushed the game out of the door still

The camera hangs are all sorts of awful, but the one thing that caught my attention was being pulled out of the map by a viper tongue and having a soldier levitate for the entire mission from a broken cover. Both on the same Blacksite mission

>>131067415

Unknown chance to hit. Building the AWC asap is a must tho. That's free perks when you get them, and they can be devastating if you get OP combos

Counter Hidden Event or Alien Infiltrator?

Can grenadiers shoot acid grenades even though they're classed as utility and not grenade?

>>131067447
> guys I know how to speak japanese ^_^^_:^) ( '_'(

>>131067582

that's chinese you fucking retard

>>131067512
>Faceless can pop and melee dash

Nope. Faceless melee takes an actual action. They're quite slow, so its not too hard to avoid being hit by them.

fensler films GI Joe voicepack when

>>131067582
Triggered.

>>131067553
Yes

if you put them in the grenade slot, you get 2x if you have Heavy Ordinance

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>half you a-team gets wounded a month in a retaliation
>as soon as they get well they have to go into another one with worse alien

>>131067582
Korean, shitfuck.

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After visiting the AWC my assault can use a heavy exo flamethrower and then fire in one turn

>>131067582
>guys i have autism

I swear the ratio of males to females for me is like 1:5.

>ADVENT Airforce consists of the soldiers wearing wingsuits
>Captain dies whenever he points

>>131067512
I think the mere fact that melee units can dash and attack in the same turn is broken as fuck. Imagine EW if the Chrysalids or Berserkers could have done that. Add on the Stun Lancers' chance to stun and you get suicidal mooks streaking out of the dark to one-shot your guys even if they only do one actual damage. I hope this shit gets rebalanced or someone makes a mod for it, because it's severely hampering my ability to remain in control of the situation.

Conversely, I don't think it's unfair that the Ranger can do it because Slash is to Rangers what Run and Gun was to Assaults, and RnG was a much better power in my opinion.

>reinforcements that take one turn to appear and act on the same fucking turn they spawn

Brilliant
Geniuses
Bravo Firaxis
Give my fucking money back

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XCOM 2 is so good oh my god.

>>131067629
korean

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Thought this was kinda amusing.

>>131067930
they never shoot though, they just act like it's pod activation

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>>131067932

HELP NEEDED!!

How do i purge a facility in my base?

>>131067930
>act on the same fucking turn they spawn

No

Any .ini setting that increase the limit during the time limit missions? It's my only complaint with the game so far

At what point are you ready for your first Black Site?

>do any action
>30 second delay after it

What the fuck is this and how do I fix it

>>131068108
as soon as you establish contact with the territory that's hosting it

>>131068108
when you have some spare lube

>tfw still havent started a single campaing, i'm just doing stupid characters to my character pool

>>131068108

Whenever it becomes available. It isn't very hard.

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Um

Is there anything I need to do to use scientists? They're always marked as "AVAILABLE"

I'm getting stomped over and over (veteran), dunno, maybe I have become totally retard casual fag jew

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>>131068029

>>131068189
they work like EU/EW scientists, opposed to technicians

>>131068189
you can build a lab for even more research bonus
but just having them makes things faster

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>>131067932
Yep, I love seeing everything crumble before me because I fucked up my priorities.

>>131068215
I thought that but the avaliable threw me

I kind of sucked in EU/EW and could only beat the game on Normal

should i start this one on Easy?

How do you speed up days in game?

>>131068273
probably

>>131067529
Please Respond.
I used all my intel like 2 days before that shit popped up so I couldn't reveal the secret event. What do? Other option is the guaranteed reinforcements so that's not a priority

>>131068043
pls respond ;_;

>>131068108

Black Site should be done as soon as possible, preferably after making sure a terror mission isn't imminent

The static enemies don't change based on difficulty. The patrols do though. Ideally you want to do it while Vipers and Sectoids are the worst thing you have to deal with

>>131068273
Try veteran with the tutorial on, it gives you some bonus shit for free

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So "I'm not EXALT guys" is doing well.
He did TK one time by shooting a car.

>Encounter first Archon
>Dodge: Grazed
>Dodge: Grazed
>Dodge: Grazed

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea

I just found the new uber difficult mode

i luv the ini files :^)

>>131068318
like delete your rooms?
Go to engineering and select build facilities.

>>131066984
Ayy Lmao

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Guys why are you forcing the black troops to sit at the back of the skyranger?

This isn't on

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fuck

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HOW HARD IS THE UFO RAID MISSION?

IS IT EASIER OR HARDER THAN THE BASE DEFENSE?

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>>131068282
Scan?
If you don't have any supply drops or other objectives on the map, head back to HQ and scan for intel.

>>131068312
Which one is Alien Infiltrator?

>>131068318
>>131068043
you click the fucking X
goddamn it's not that hard

So how's the game? Is it basically a higher quality EU? I'm hearing mixed opinions all over the place.

>>131068397
t. bagel

PASTEBIN XCum2 CHEATS:

http://pastebin.com/4mBn9VVm

>>131068374

Dodge is a bullshit mechanic by all margins, and it's only going to get worse as the rest of your ADVENT units upgrade

>Free miss chance, allowing ridiculous misses at flanked CLOSE RANGE
>Hits can randomly do half damage, meaning even 100 % hit chance units like snipers can shoot a dud
>Only way to do guaranteed damage is explosives, making Grenadiers even more powerful than they already are
>Those units are usually the one that rush you at melee range

Just one tip to deal with them. If an unit is exposed to incoming melee, hunker it down and aid protocol it instead of setting up an overwatch wall. If you have other serious threats, fire at them instead and just hope it isn't TOO bad

>>131068452

A lot easier. Do NOT get yourself revealed before reconning everything and anything, and get a Specialist to disable the console. Also be careful, most pods spawn inside the saucer. Battle Scanners are extremely useful in this mission in particular

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>>131068397
forgot image like a dum dum

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This seems good.

Now I just need to give him a worthy nickname.

>>131068491
thx m8 didn't realize that

>>131068491
Alien Infiltrator is Faceless, Faceless everywhere.

>>131068524
>ExaltBeginSimulation

>>131068573
oh, that sounds fucking awful

counter that one

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My grenadier just picked up Killzone.

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>last turn in VIP extraction mission
>send everyone to evac zone
>guy carrying the VIP wanders off in a random direction for no reason whatsoever
man i cant wait to play ironman!

>>131068503
Very good

Performance is the major flaw
Turn limits (i.e. mission has to be done in 12 turns) upset little whiny bitches like /v/

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>dodge: grazed
>grenades do 5 damage and if they grenade your guys on a roof they're guaranteed dead from fall damage
>shield enemies with 2 armour and for some reason always have a lower chance to hit than any other enemy even when flanked
>ranger sword attacks can miss
>stun lancers dashing from fog of war 10 miles away to crit/knock out your most important squad member
>sectoids outclass every other ranged enemy

why am i even playing this fucking game

>>131068614

I had two units pick up Killzone, Grenadier and Specialist

It's okay I guess, the main problem is that you still risk missing since it's an Overwatch shot

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>>131068491

Alien Infiltrator puts disguised faceless on every mission with civilians, not just retaliation ones

just got a avenger down mission, how fucked am I?

>>131068558
any action? Can you run up and flamethrower? sick

>>131068503
It's more.. interesting, I'll give it that. I just wish it wasn't so fucking hard

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>>131062478
I'm this guy from last thread. Which one do I click? Are they two different games after all, or is one of them the xpac?

>>131068558
>demolition over suppression
dude

>>131068503
Alot better than EU.

But it eliminates a lot of the cheese which people relied on.

Could you explain to me why 60% chance to hit on hard is like 10% on normal it's 30% and on easy it's actually 60%?

>>131068734
enemy within is the expansion and its the same thing with more content, not some separate entity

>>131068687
depends on how many soldiers you got

>>131068734
what game is this?

>>131068734
ENEMY WITHIN YOU FUCCTARD
MEC MEC MEEEEEC
gene mods too

>>131068734
Enemy Within the "full load" of content
play that one

it's the base game and integrates a bunch of cool stuff seamlessly into the experience

>>131068734
Enemy Unknown is the orignal one
Enemy Within is Enemy Unknown with human enemies and big sweet ass mech units that can punch aliens using rocket powered fists.

>>131068753
I see. What about that dodge mechanic? I remember hearing about it and thinking it'll get to be some serious bullshit

Do wounded soldiers heal whilst being retrained?

>>131068503
The story is way dumber
More than half of the missions have goddamn time limits
Stun Lancers

It's a fucking disgrace and i'm asking for refund

>>131066984
>SURIVIE and destroy the beacon mission
>loose most of the squad but make it
>cant hire more rookies

>restart

>Use two snipers + ranger with consealment to Find and destroy the beacon from another side of the map

>the rest of the team beat the shit from enemy reinforcements
>excellent

Damn i'm smart.

>>131068410
LIVE FREE OR AYY

>>131067063
Your mom is balanced on my dick.

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mfw my favorite solider reaches Colonel without any special ability

>>131068786

squadsize 6, rooster 10, but 2 are wounded

I'm thinking about just savescumming it. It's either that or start over again

>>131068915
Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Best torrent where?

>go on /v/
>everyone is butt blasted over time limits because 'wew now the game is too hard'

sasuga /v/

>rookie does well first mission
>gets promoted, to a useful class no less (no more snipers and specialists pls)
>give him/her the official ufotaliban uniform
>dies 4 turns into next mission
This game is raping my ass so hard and I love it, 5 hours in and the only veterans who haven't died are a Dutchman with John Lennon glasses and a Irish sniperwaifu. Everyone else just gets fucking destroyed and I'm only on the second or third difficulty (the one that says 'this is for xcom veterans')
I can't fucking wait for voice acting mods though.

>>131069047
Steam

>>131068915
>Stun Lancers
>hard
kek, they do like 3 dmg and suicide into you

>>131067447
its barbosa, learn to meme

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>>131068537
>A mission that requires me to actually exercise patience and not just go loud at the first opportunity

FUCKING REEEEEEEEE

I THOUGHT YOU GOT RID OF THESE FIRECACKSIS

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>>131068776
>>131068786
>>131068790
>>131068810
>>131068828
Thank you. Is the game bound to 30fps? I'm aware it's tactical chess, not shoot-'em-up, but still.
Also, can Windowed or Windowed Borderless be done without limiting myself to 1280x800 / 1152x864? (What resolution even is this)

Fuck specialists they are useless bastards, mine paniced and was useless a whole mission. This resulted in my best grenadier dying. Never again. 2 rangers, 2 grenadiers and 2 sharpshooters from now on.

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mild campaign spoilers:

It made me really happy during the cutscene where Tygan says he wants a soldier to get real close to a Codex without killing it and Bradford is just like "we can do that".

it felt like a callback to my favorite cutscene in XCOM

>>131069047
I'm finishing unpacking the XCom2_RePack by Seyter. i'll tell you when it's done

>>131069204

the game is not bound to 30 fps and windowed borderless is supported natively at whatever resolution you want

>>131068503
Eliminates a lot of the cheese people relied on

Some of the missions will require you to complete one of the objectives within a certain amount of turns.
To compensate for this, most missions give you concealment, which is a pseudo-stealth phase allowing you to setup an ambush on a bunch of enemies.
>>131069209
>medics
>useless
Give that wimp a mindshield and he'l be kicking ass in no time.

Who else annoyed by the 2 animations only for soldiers when returning from a successful mission?

back vs. wall - arms crossed - bend forward - slap legs with both hands - look around - repeat.

it looks pretty retarded when 3 soldiers do it in sync.

-autism

>>131069209
>Fuck specialists they are useless bastards
gremlin mk 2 lets you insta kill mechs and take control of any mech or turret at 80%

>>131069181
I got a no-time limit mission after a load of bullshit ones in which literally every non-rookie was hopsitalized apart from a Korean backbench sniper with aviators and I thought 'I'm literally going to take five million years with this mission' and it was the most successful one of my playthrough. No one even got wounded and my Korean guy turns out to be a fucking psychopath who I may replace my main sniper with.
Basically no timer missions are just breathing space.

>>131068491
>>131068401

THANKS :3

>>131069278
The drop-down list only gives me 1200x800 at best, though. I'll change the bootup settings, then.
Wasn't sure about the 30fps, but the menu showed me a lock on 30, nice that it's different in-game, then. Thanks, once more.

>game says i can go to spot without being detected
>go to spot
>get detected
You motherfucker

>GTX 570
>medium to high settings
>FXAA / 4x AF
>2 hours in, pretty much stable 50-60

Not gonna say it doesn't needs a performance increase, but what gives that the game runs shit on so many systems?

If my GTX 570 can run it at 60 FPS most of the time than a 980 shouldn't have any fucking issues

Is it game over when the avatar project hits?

>>131069406
Yes.

>>131069321

this

specialists are both fun and good.

if you counter a hidden event, does it tell you what it was?

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Posted this in the last thread but I didn't see it hit the bump cap.

Could a cool anon who has the mods made by Long War Studios (SMG, Leader, Muton Centurion) post the contents of their XComModOptions.ini file? (it's in Documents\My Games\XCOM2\XComGame\Config)

>>131069406
No

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Reposting here.

Help me /xvg/, I'm getting too attached to my soldiers and feel the urge to start from scratch everytime one dies.

On another note, is there anyway to copy/paste a colour scheme instead of changing each soldier?

>>131069396
Does your xcom 2 run at "normal" priority?

>>131069390
Same thing happened to me like 30 minutes ago. I even cross-checked with other soldiers to see if it happened for them incase there was some special effect I was missing but nope. Just ended up savescumming, and it's the only time I've done it too, despite having a 80% casualty rate because I'm soviet-tier.

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Completely disable timer mod that works where?

I want to go fast when _I_ feel like it, not all the time

>>131069483
Yeah, why?

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Post characterchures.

>>131069390
You revealed an enemy while moving to the spot that had vision there.
It's happened to me.

My sniper now has holo-targeting thanks to that advanded warfare center

And he also has faceoff, so i can now use holo-targeting on every visible unit in one turn

Damn this is broken

>>131069396

bugs / poor optimization

not sure what kind of answer you were expecting here

>>131069502

Isn't there one on the workshop?

>>131069359

that's strange

i've been playing at 1920x1080 on borderless window ever since the base game came out

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>>131069209
My specialist is pretty fucking based. He's resisted all mindcontrol/panic attempts and almost always succeeds his hacking attempts.

Good ol' Jake Nelson.

>avenger defense mission
oh boy here we go

>>131069502
>I want to go fast when _I_ feel like it, not all the time
then fucking surrender

the aliens aren't gonna wait to genocide us

>>131069481
The ones you lose just make your more attached to the ones that remain.

>>131069539
Has a million comments saying it doesn't work though.

I don't know

>>131069509
Set it to above normal it's gonna run even better

>>131069502
get gud homo

>overwatch only activates after stun lancer hits target
FFS

>>131069529
Was just wondering, most of the bitching I hear comes from the 9XX guys, might be an issue that's specific to their architecture and can get fixed with a patch from Nvidia

>tfw despairboner when two of your best soldiers die on ironman

Its painful but its also fun

>>131069481
>getting attached to the cannon fodder

you're not cut out for x-com

>Sniper ranks up to Major
>Full Sniper
>Choice between 10 aim & crit if she hasn't moved or +20 aim after using hunker down
>No brainer
>Plot twist, AWC gives her automatic hunker down if she hasn't fired
I still think the aim & crit is the better choice, but I did pause for a moment. Just one.

>>131069618
Fine on my GTX970.

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All aboard for.... Operation Apartheid?

>>131069502
Fuck off back to the Stream forums, you casual.

>>131069596
I'd rather play on higher difficulty but with a bit more turns than lower difficulty but fast rush all the time

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So I just received this update, anyone know where I might find some patch notes?

how do I disable bradford constantly nagging about shit when I'm on missions?

Why everyone is fucking ugly?
Also 2nd Tier armours are shit. A shit.

>>131069647
No thanks, autism-kun.

>>131069629

The second is shit. Your sniper should ALWAYS be firing on a normal mission

This is especially true if your sniper has the skill that gives it a free action after killing an enemy on a lower elevation, allowing you to reload instead of taking a turn off reloading

Hunkering is seldom very useful if your sniper is exposed, since all the useful roof cover is usually half cover

is the base difficulty of this too high? I feel like some of the unique abilities of the Xeno are pretty ridiculous. or am I just approaching this too much X-Com 1 like?

and fuck the time limits. do they ever fuck off or is every mission an 8 turn GG?

I heard the SEYTER version is a preview version
Is this true?

>>131069639
And it's unstable as hell on mines
What's your cpu?

>>131069623
I get really angry then when I see my surviving soldiers I cool down and just feel sad. Every fucking time.

>>131069747
i5 4670k. 16GB RAM, and it's eating 3.5GB of it and two cores.

The only way Firaxis is going to curb the endless sea of tears from casuals is to do something like

>Rookie: Unlimited turns
>Veteran: 20-18 turns
>Commander: 15-12 turns
>Legend: 10-8 Turns

I know it's not something we want, but casuals buying this game and supporting it drastically affects the mod support/expansion lifespan of the game.

>all these people in Africa
Is starting location random? I rolled NA and I've been doing AMERICA all day, every day.

>>131069776
That's retarded.

Turn counter has nothing to do with the difficulty.

If anything you need more turns at higher difficulty you fucking imbecile.

>>131069656
>600MB

I downloaded the game yesterday and it was so buggy that I literally couldn't play it. Just went to bed and didn't bother with it

Earlier I read up that verifying the game files fixes that shit, so I went and did that.

Brought up 4 damaged files and then queued a patch of roughly 630MB which fixed everything from my end

Might be the same

>>131069759
Not, >>131069747 but is the game locked to 4GB RAM?

>>131069776

>Muh casuals

I highly expect Firaxis will go around rebalancing everything based on player feedback

They usually do this on the Civilization series once a meta develops, so I don't see why they wouldn't do it here

my god this cordex whore is annoying as fuck keep jamming my squad's weapons and keep clone herself and teleporting just fuck my timer up

>>131069829
>Turn counter has nothing to do with the difficulty.

Tell that to the casuals

>BAWWWW TURN LIMITER I DUN LIKE IT, I SHOULD PLAY HOW I WANT

Look at the negative reviews, it's just endless bitching about turn limits.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/268500/

Does Vahlen appear at some point in the campaign?

>>131069856
Just flashbang that shit

>>131069745
more accurate to say that it is a late developer's version, the game performs just like the release

however, you'll average 10 red screens per small mission, so don't bother with it unless you're extremely desperate

>>131069759
It makes me want to save them even more anon. I look at the survivors and say "not today, not today my friend."

>>131069818
I had Africa once as well. I've played twice. My first playthrough was africa, my second was NA, and this is my third. Its NA.

All my playthroughs ended with me dying to ADVENT though

>>131069837
But I was playing it just yesterday, played through from the opening tutorial until the first retaliation mission, and it worked perfectly.

>>131069873
You're fucking dumb as shit.

Turn limit severely limits how many "solutions" you have to a given mission, especially later on at a higher difficulty setting.

It's not hard, it's just not fun to be told how to play. Maybe some people want to take some missions on in other ways. Maybe they want to be tactical and creative about it.

There is nothing hardcore about doing it fast. There is nothing hardcore about spamming overwatch.

All turn limit does is limit you to one play style later on. Not a single positive thing about it.

And the game deserves its negative reviews, Firaxis is shit at launching games as usual.

>>131069906

you can disable the redscreen errors.

>>131068368
>Not Link "Static"
Are you even trying, commando?

im a bit dissapointed there are no inter-species posters in Xcom 2

>5hrs till the download is finished
waiting is agony

>>131069013
you get all wounded and the full roster on a defence

bradford sends them through just like in EW

im going to make bailey jay

>>131070050
Just to make sure, verify your game cache once it's downloaded. My Steam download had a few corrupted files

>>131069906
Unless anon lives in the sewers as the rat king, he should scrape up the flerbos to buy it.

The game would pretty much be game of the year if it was 2015 and I'm thinking it will be game of the year this year (unless something better is coming that I don't know about)

>>131069739
from what I keep seeing in the thread, seems like the turn limits don't leave. thats kinda annoying. might just use the workshop integration and remove them, then.

>>131069979
You're a fucking idiot if you seriously think having pressure applied to you through a time limit hurts your strategic options. If anything it creates situations you would normally not find yourself in had the limit not been there. It creates unique scenarios you have to work your way out of with minimal losses.

There's a reason professional Chess has a 60-90 second time limit per turn, because if there was no limit all the autists who memorized every single counter move would win the game. It turns the game into quick strategic thinking instead of meta gaming bullshit.

>>131068503
It has potential and a lot of the changes are Great. The Strategic game is much better, aside from the costant interruptions on the geoscape.
But I still prefer Long Dong, I loved the power creep the soldiers had.

>>131069979
Turn limits are generous as fuck though, especially in council missions.

And what "strategies" are you referring to exactly? After the initial ambush the game plays like EW where you trigger pods. What possible strategies besides BREAK LOS AND OVERWATCH are you missing?

>>131069775
We have pretty much the same pc
Damn
what the hell is wrong with this piece of shit

How can the soundtrack be so based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjTGtLe_i5U

>Complaining about stun lancers
>Being this casual
>Stun "I DEAL ZEERO FUCKING DAMAGE LATER ON AND YOU WISH EVERY POD WAS FULL OF ME" lancers

>>131070143
>a turn limit is now the same as a time per turn limit.

Good job anon. You keep digging your own grave with your stupidity.

If anything it would be like if Chess had a rule saying "you have to win in under 15 turns"

>>131068503
Gameplay is excellent, optimization is poor so it doesnt run very well, and there are some small bugs. Aesthetics are a bit bland

Overall 9/10, 10/10 if the optimization was fixed

>>131070185
Have you done >>131070121 ?

For me it got rid of the loading screen stuttering and some other stuff, takes a while though

>>131070143
>You're a fucking idiot if you seriously think having pressure applied to you through a time limit hurts your strategic options

the whole fucking point of the timer is to limit a strategic option (the slow, safe OW creep)

>>131069209
>Fuck specialists they are useless bastards
It's the third best class in the game after ranger and psi

I'm going to restart my campaign for the third time as I lost the first and the 2nd I cheesed and savescummed too much I am going to savescum a little still, since I am not made of iron. At least enough to get sergeant so I can have five squaddies. What I've picked up on and that might help others, bearing in mind I ain't no beagle and this was on commander difficulty:

-Prioritize opening up communications with the area holding the ayy facility. I thought I could just hit the black site to turn back the clock, but for whatever reason I wasn't able to when the bar filled and the countdown started, and it would also take too long to open up communications with Mexico (was in South Africa so I had to open it up with Brazil then with Mexico) in time. Make sure you have access to a facility to smash before the countdown starts, not once it does.

-Make sure you got 10 advent trooper corpses in the bank (and more for the exo or skelly-suit. 2 for one of them if I recall). I had the odd business of being mid-campaign with archons and mutons and codex but no predator armor because of that.


At least for me the facility (not black site) was easy as shit because the map was a Plateau next to the very small facility. And since you don't got a time limit, go slow as fuck and overwatch that shit. In fact, bait them back into ambushes or better cover for you. Think it took me 20 turns on facility or black site because I wanted to take it slow.

-Grenadier is love, grenadier is life.

-"All but one guy overwatch and then break concealment" is great vs one 2-3 man pod. But it is not a panacea for every encounter, and can even be worse than that.

>>131069979
If you suck THIS much THERE'S A FUCKING MOD FOR THIS
THERE'S ARE 3 ALREADY
FUCK OFF

>>131069210
CLOSE RANGE?!

I'm probably just a casual but having played through a bit of the campaign in a few games I honestly can't see myself ever beating the game on anything but easy mode if the balance stays as-is

I just don't understand why it's so much more jarringly difficult than EU/EW on the same setting

>>131070214
They are comparable limits imposed for the exact same reason you strawmanning fuck. Both limits were introduced to stop meta gaming through the outright superior strategies that beat everything else.

>>131070257
You're an idiot as well. LOS breaking Overwatch crawling was what limited strategic options, especially on Impossible. It was THE strat and there was zero reason to do anything else because it had the least risk for the highest rewards.

>>131070207
For me, it's just that they move so far. Probably gonna bitch about lids doing that oo

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>>131068452
>>131068537
>>131069181
>>131069332
Jesus christ that was literally the easiest mission I've been on this campaign, and I just straight up went loud and tripped the timer immediately.

Why is this game putting up the "Difficult" rating, is it trying to scare my dumb ass?

>>131069876
She's the final villain

Sold humanity to the aliuns and shit

>>131070207

>The starting stun lancers are the one you'll meet for the whole game

Please play the game you're trying to defend before commenting on it

>>131067582
you fucking idiot

>>131070214
But having a rule that says you can spend a year not moving pieces and get to take your opponent's pieces for free if they come close would be perfectly fine right? Not even the guy you responded to but I think it's better you just went back to the older games and sperg out there.

>>131070352
Easy, normal and difficult rating indicates how much aliens you're going to encounter during the mission, it doesn't have anything to do with how hard the mission will be

>/v/ is here complaining about turn timers

Go back to 9gag please.

>>131070374
They stay for a long while, you still get them even when there are advanced troopers.

>>131067512

>What are andromedons the post

>>131070442
FUCK OFF FIRAXIS SHILL

>he recreates his favourite anime characters as his soldiers

just let humanity die already you fucking weeb

i don't want to be saved by you

>>131070405
>I have no argument so I'll just resort to "f-fuck off dude!"

Wow what a surprise

When should I attack the black site ? I'm stil pretty early in the game I don't want to just yet, is anything bad gonna happen if i wait ?

>>131070437
Oh okay, that makes a little more sense then. Most of the hardest missions I've gotten have been "moderate" hacking missions on short timers with a lot of ground to cover.

>>131070484
It isn't a timed mission so it's easy mode if you know how to take it slow.

>>131070214
>If anything it would be like if Chess had a rule saying "you have to win in under 15 turns"
No it's like chess having a rule where you have to move each turn

Oh wait it does

>>131070143
> It creates unique scenarios you have to work your way out of with minimal losses.
It may be down to the mission variety that I've been getting, so many fucking VIP missions, but the timer has been making me use pretty formulaic tactics (move up until I see the first pod, ambush them, work my way to the objective staying in full cover, dash to the evac / mop up survivors).

The one time I got a data retrieval mission I snuck into the office and hacked the terminal fairly easily, but it alerted the aliens who were all pretty close and put me in a much worse off tactical situation than had I worked my way toward the objective murdering everything in my path like normal.

Keep in mind, I like the idea of the timers I just don't think it's fully fleshed out or integrated into the game flow as well as it could have been.

So is anyone else getting a crash on startup?
Ifeels like its impossible to fix this and and all these bastard websites are putting up fake patches

>>131070543
Imagine how easy chess would be if you could just wait for the opponent to move into position

>>131070580
Don't ask for help if you're pirating, there's a billion things that could cause it and half of them are exclusive to which release/crack you used

>I lost a mission
>WAAAAHHHHH turn limits prevent me from winning

Get a grip you fucking women, you're supposed to lose missions, you're supposed to lose soldiers.
If you want to win every mission with no losses and no time limit, play vanilla XCOM on rookie difficulty. Make sure to savescum whenever a soldier dies and try to have two snipers in your team.

>>131070543
>implying there are no empty moves in chess

>1 month in
>try blacksite (squad of 5)
>4 pods
>two dropships
>manage to come through

Fuck that was intense. I had to carry two concussed soldiers through half of the map too.

>>131070624
Oh look yet another two-digit IQ dweller who doesn't even understand what the discussion is about

>>131070352
>Aw yeah, two hot milfs for the entire ride home

>>131070629
Stun lancers are bullshit to handle but it's still not worth going medic specialist

Where will you be when Firaxis turn off mission timers?

>>131070687
noob here

what's wrong with medic specialists?

>>131070618
I actually bought the game

>>131070687
I haven't really ventured into many paths yet, I've stuck to one tree per unit (not mixed it up)... I agree lancers are really difficult to face.

I saw some anons posting stats earlier, but they always seem to concuss me at 4-5 bars of health (I think 4 hp was minimum to concuss)

Give me one good reason why you don't like time limits in XCOM

Keyword being good

>>131070743
Just make it a choice like ironman. Then everyone can play like they want to.

Jesus christ people making everything a big deal.

>>131070629
>Get my first round of dark events to stop
>Think "'UFO hunts you.' Well, that sounds fucking harmless"
>UFO catches me...

And that was the end of that campaign.

>>131068524
>all those EU leftovers
top kek

>>131070765
Then why are you looking on random patch sites
Verify the files in steam
>>131070753
Combat ones are amazing, medic is basically a wasted slot in terms of kill potential
Killing an enemy instead of healing their damage is always optimal

>>131070624

>I lost a mission

If you "lose" a mission on anything but Easy, you'll be run over extremely hard by the difficulty ramp-up train

Try to run a Very Difficult mission with thee squaddies, two half-promoted soldiers and one remaining Colonel and get back to me when you recover your campaign from here, especially if all your good armor was lost on your downed soldiers

>>131070773
There are already 3 mods to remove or change them already
Just use those you fucking retarded asshole

>>131070753
You usually have to give up on much more useful hacking skills. Personally I think you can pick medic for the first upgrade, but dont skip haywire protocols.

>>131070773
>>131070743
Literally available as a mod on Workshop already. Holy Jesus Christ can /v/ just fuck off already?

>>131070765
>buying games

lol

>>131070770

As explained before, if you play on higher difficulty and in later more challenging missions having a turn limit simply limits your ways of playing the game into a narrow range of possible "solutions".

That doesn't add to the challenge, it just makes the game less open to your own way of beating it. It doesn't add anything, it only removes.

>>131070773
Or they should release a statement saying "We added mod support for a reason, fuck off you little dickbags. We got better things to work on."

Does anyone else find it strange how people are saying the game is so much more difficult?

Between Grenades and Meme Beacons there really isn't anything that poses a threat outside of a 3+ pod activation.

>>131070889
They sure do. Like actually not making their game fucking garbage that looks like it's from 2008 yet somehow is more demanding performance wise than many 2015 titles.

Or patching it so aliens can't punch through solid walls without even breaking them.

>>131070878
The non timed missions are slow and boring as fuck. I'm happy with the timers they are balanced and if you don't know how to come up with different tactics to solve the timed missions maybe go back to easy mode.

>Playing a difficulty above your skill

>>131070818
>Then why are you looking on random patch sites
>Verify the files in steam
Because nothing else has worked. Verifying files doesn't do anything, reinstalling doesn't do anything, deleting my saves didn't do anything, along with some other shit I can't remember

>>131070931
And in EU nothing was a threat outside of bullshit crit

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>>131067512

The distance on stun lancers is the single most OP thing about them, I'd say. I would need to look in the INI to seed the exact number but it seems like they can run the entire map in a single turn. That being said while they are infuriating I can manage them for the most part, but I haven't met the elite ones.

>>131068503
It's a lot more 'flavorful'. EU was ultimately very straightforward and plain in combat, almost like a jagged alliance or some such. Unique scenarios that weren't "Clear the AO" were the exception. Now things are much more complex and varied. Very assymetrical. In EU any mission that wasn't timed ultimately meant you would only lose if you were woefully outmatched by the enemy in equipment. Now you can be outmatched by the enemy in equipment but also outmatched in their unique abilities.

If you havin problems on the easiest difficulty then I feel bad for you son because I got 99 problems on commander.

>>131068934
makes me consider we just haven't learned the new strategies and ins and outs to really work the system.

As for time limits they are hit or miss for me. I'd rather see them increased by 1/4th (8 turns becomes 10, 12 becomes 15) rather than removed outright.

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>>131069047
>>131067081
>>131067356
>>131067179
>>131069231
>>131069147

https://thepiratebay se/
torrent/13438077/XCOM_2_Digital_Deluxe_Edition_RePack_MULTi2-SEYTER

Build from Jan 27, 2016.

Just add -noRedScreens -review to the shortcut... Steam does this automatically so most people do not notice it.

MFW Firaxis jewed all of you all out of 70+ dollars for a "review copy" lulz.

>that ending cutscene

I'm guessing Xcom 3 Terror from the Deep?

>>131070950
The game looks fucking fine.

>>131070878
>That doesn't add to the challenge
Yes it does, that's literally it's purpose for being there.

>>131070971
You get the award for most retarded anon of 2016 so far. You managed to miss every single point of the post, completely misunderstand every sentence and post inane bullshit.

>>131070869
nice meme

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I think I want to fuck a codex.

>>131070878
>As explained before, if you play on higher difficulty and in later more challenging missions having a turn limit simply limits your ways of playing the game into a narrow range of possible "solutions".

The ONLY thing you can't do is turtle overwatch
And that shit literally sucks the fun out of the game and makes it easy
If you want that, well play rookie diff you fag

It does not limit any PLAY-STYLE you goddamn moron
Play-styles do not apply to XCOM 2, a fucking strategy game
The situation you're dealing with is what matters, not your "playstyle" you autist

For example, your "playstyle" might be to have 6 rangers in your squad with swords
Than when you fail cuz that's retarded, you could say
>muh playstyle isn't viable :'(
or you could realize that xcom 2 isn't a fucking fps but a strategy game you retard

>>131070983
Move range for Stun Lancers varies from 12 on low difficulties to 14 on average. I think it goes up to 18 on Legend? Don't quote me on that though, I already gimped my Lancers.

>>131071026
No it doesn't.
Let me give you a simplified example so even a monkey like you gets it.

>with timer
3 solutions
>without timer
15 solutions (including the 3 you get with timer)

Understand now?
Probably not, since you'd be considered a retard even among monkeys.

>>131070878
Exactly, it removes the take 1 step overwatch meme and makes you actually be pro-active. There was no incentive to ever venture too far from your fortress of death with patrolling pods with the exception of meld.

>>131070753

Medic skills are very hit and miss

Combat protocol is guaranteed damage, and heavy damage on dangerous robotic enemies. Plus, it takes a while for medikits to really become useful with the Nanomedikit project

Healing wounds doesn't make your soldier recover faster (I wish that getting out of the mission with treated wounds would downgrade the gravity of your soldier's wounds by one). However, some enemies can do lethal damage if you don't have medics, notably lids

Revive Protocol is fucking useless. You're wasting the Medic's turn to have another unit use their turn, and very often they're also wounded and in a bad position. All they had to do was make it so Specialist heals auto-remove effects and it would be on-par with Haywire Protocol, which can save your squad if you activate one too many turrets or Sectopods

The last skill that allows you to send your GREMLIN on a healing sortie seems well worth it, had a mission save from it once. However, it's very rare that your damage is that spread out unless you're hurting, since timers force you to rush the same soldiers and finish quickly instead of sponging weak fire

The main thing with Medics versus Hackers is that healing soldiers is only useful if a soldier was battered and you can't fall him back to take safer shots. Hackers on the other end are virtually always useful on all difficulties, and taking control of a turret can turn everything around

>>131070950
The game looks great on max settings you retard
It just doesn't run on anything

>>131070983
Stun lancers are not that OP if you know how to counter them. Their stunlancers ONLY work if you have 4 health or below AFTER an attack.

A grenadier with the +1 armor perk and health boosting items and chips will be tickled by them. Bladestorm Rangers and flash bangs will fuck them up badly as well

>>131071120
No it doesn't, Firaxis employee.
It looks like a fucking game from many years ago at best, even on max settings.

There is zero excuse for this game to give you the fps it does given how it looks. It's shoddy as fuck coding and optimization.

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>supply raid mission
>remember seeing an anon mention he had to do a hard mission with only rookies
>fuck that, from now on one rookie per mission
>fuck it, grab two, can always use more TA-TAs
>first time encountering snake ladies
>this is the result

Had another rookie later manage to land 3 shots below 30% chance and she got promoted TO A FUCKING RANGER!

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>doing Avenger defense
>specialists triggers burrowed chrysalid
>chrysalid kills specialist
>psy-op panics
>hucks plasma grenade into a group of my own fucking men with no enemies nearby whatsoever

Never Alt F4'd harder in my life.

>>131069481
somebody never played dos X-COM: EU

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Northernlion plays better than me.

>>131070014
How?

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p-post your oldest veterans

So is the only way to break mind control by killing the Sectoid? At least early game?

>>131071172
No it doesn't
What are you on about?
Look at the fucking textures and details on max settings
There's not a single bad texture in the whole game and shit like armor and aliens look incredibly high res

I got a weird bug and wonder if anyone got a fix for it.

I can't equip any of my soldiers with PCS anymore after I got the Lock and Load bonus.

>>131070770

Timer makes sense on defusal operations. But to play devil's advocate (I get more pissed at the time limit on defusal than VIP):

Timer makes no sense on a VIP mission as it arbitrarily forces you to evacuate and lose when it reaches 0 even if you hypothetically have the VIP almost next to the LZ point but can't reach it in time. Yes, Central talks about interceptors - so why couldn't the LZ be at any other open spaced point on the map? It's not as if there is an AA gap literally 40 feet open between the central courtyard before the VIP's prison and the backalley the ship picks you up at.

It is easily solvable with rescue ops - you can call down an LZ anywhere the second you pick up the VIP. Usually the LZ is very close to the VIP but it'll take 2 turns to reach.

It becomes a problem with escort ops since you already start with the VIP. One workaround would be to make escort VIP missions not a countdown to defeat but a countdown to victory. You have to reach the LZ, the plane arriving in 8 turns, and hold off the enemy in the mean while.

>>131070357
I do not believe that, sir.

>>131071261
If you're to believe the general (and it sounds plausible) you can flashbang them too to break links.

>>131071263
If this game was actually programmed and optimized well I'd be getting 120++ fps.

Instead I get like 45 to 65

Firaxis is, as usual, having a shitty launch that needs patches.

>>131071210
How is that even possible?

>>131071261
Flashbang the ayy. It insta-kills the zombies too.

>>131071289
Mass producing flash bangs then... Are sectoids considered too full on early game for anyone else?

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>>131071017
>Firaxis jewed all of you all out of $70 for a "review copy".

Still loling about this. Here's proof, cumbois.

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>fire axis

>>131071285
>One workaround would be to make escort VIP missions not a countdown to defeat but a countdown to victory. You have to reach the LZ, the plane arriving in 8 turns, and hold off the enemy in the mean while.

I actually like the sound of that. I wonder if it would be possible to implement.

>hack into a commander
>snake ambush is triggered
>digital-duplicate-bitch ambush is triggered

fuck me

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>need to restart campaign
>game puts my hq in north america
>meanwhile in the barracks

dog bless amuriga :-DD

>>131070810
I have that current event right now... I know you can invest in turrets to defend the ship, I'm praying I don't get caught too.

>>131071087
It leaves plenty of option for strategy you sperglord.

>15 solutions (including the 3 you get with timer)
Literally the only thing it stops you from doing is waiting for the perfect fight or running away from fights and waiting for them to pursue you into overwatch traps.

>>131071285
I kinda wish if you hit 0 the LZ closed and you had to hold off a new bunch of enemies until the LZ reopened or was moved.

>>131071369
>Scotland
remove

>>131071261

Bring Flashbangs Senpai. It destroys any Zombies/Mind Control the Sectoid has. It also stops [redacted] from cloning herself, and most enemies from doing particularly nasty shit in addition to the aim malus.

Always bring a flashbang. I almost never use it, but it can get your ass out of a bad situation occasionally.

>>131071414
Wanna know how I know you haven't played later missions on legend?

Someone spoil the ending for me.

I NEED

MORE

ENGINEERS

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>>131071219

>>131071452
Scotland is the reason the Aliens invaded, we already assessed this in the last thread

>>131071474
Wanna know how I know you haven't?

>its a destroy relay episode
>check the hack rewards of a scanner
>gain control of a random enemy for two turns
>hey why not
>get a sectopod
>a motherfucking sectopod right next to the relay
Easiest gorilla ops of my life

>>131071457
It also stops stunner from being able to stun. Stunned 2 and they just stood there shooting.

>>131071452
probably a "muh heritage" murrican

>>131071496
bradford commits seppuku

>>131071430
>>131071363
That's my problem with timers. It's not that it makes the game too hard or even severly limits my tactics, it's that having them be a mission fail is the laziest thing they could have done when time limited missions could have made the game significantly more dynamic with shit like that.

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>>131071219

It's hilarious watching /xcg/ for the past week. People were watching Baglecuck wreck Ayys, since Monday.And everyone was going, "Oh great the game's a cakewalk, fuck you Friaxis."

Now the game is released and now people are crying that the game is too hard.

>Nerf Lancers!
>Nerf Turn Limits!
>Nerf Faceless!
>Nerf Having to Think!

Comon guys, stop thinking like this is EU/EW. The easy overwatch crawl no longer works. You need to use your brains now.

Sharpshooter and Rangers eat Lancers for breakfast.
If you're running out of time, it means your overwatch camping. Stop doing that and push towards the objective. You can fight and do the objective at the same time.

Faceless not really that scary. Give it some space and have your heavy hitters reduce it to goo.

>>131071585
Meme beacons make the game too easy!

>>131071496
sequel hook

That anon that linked this thread yesterday, I said I'd suck your dick if it helped.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/200510/discussions/0/846960628563773260

Well, XCOM base used to be 45 FPS and now it stays at 60. In-game, the frame rate only stutters down to 50 FPS instead of low 40s at times.

Whip it out, anon. I'm on my knees.

>>131071359
What are you on about.

>>131071585
Might have something to do with /v/ infesting the place like what happens to any general that gets a new game

I'm an old /xcg/ guy and Commander hasn't been anything too difficult. Gonna go Legendary soon

>>131071496
This game will either get a direct sequel or an expansion

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>>131071032
Is it possible to fuck a being that only partially exists in our dimension for microseconds at a time?

>>131071017
>>131071359

Look how stupid you are.

>>131071585
>Give it some space
That rememes me, is there a way to see how far a certain enemy can move in a turn? Forgive me if it was a feature of EU/EW I've just forgotten.

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Uh. Not sure what I did wrong, but I can't move this guy anymore. I barely started, and he's just kinda stuck there, leaving me 3 v ?? in this mission, only the second one in the game. If I need to extract these guys or something, I'm kinda fucked.

What do, how to prevent, how to fix.

>>131071621
Haven't actually used them yet. Flashbang has been a godsend when my guys get caught out of position.

does the avatar project fill up faster if you leave the ayylien bases alone.

or are they just for decreasing the project?

>>131071701
>the v boogeyman
retard

IF YOU'RE HAVING PERFORMANCE ISSUES
https://ghostbin.com/paste/of9am

FIRAXIS GOT LAZY AND RELEASED A BUILD WITH SOME DEBUG CODE STILL LEFT IN.

>>131071768
Jorge is meant to die, leave him to his fate.

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>play EW yesterday because too poor to afford xcom2
>get to a terror mission and go to sleep so I can focus in the morning
>check the steam cards that I got

TRIGGERED

>>131071051
And this post is the only one that doesn't get replied to.

>>131071826
>https://steamcommunity.com/app/200510/discussions/0/846960628563773260
?

>>131071474
>>131071531
Wanna know why everyone else thinks you two are colossal autistic faggots?

>>131071768
If you're playing the tutorial it just does not let you take moves on your terms. Just see where the highlighted tile is.

Also just skip the shit tutorial and figure stuff out for yourself. The tutorial sticks you with one shitty specialist instead of four and really bad research options and facilities built