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/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #274

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Happy New Year!!! Edition

Previous Thread: >>127009126

Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn back time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

>Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com

>Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630/
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg

>/lisg/ Permalink:
http://orph.link/lisg

>FAQs, Old Threads/Strawpolls, Soundtrack/Music & Leaks:
http://orph.link/lisgarchive

>/lisg/ Community Written Fan Fiction:
http://orph.link/story

>/lisg/ Content Producers:
http://imgur.com/a/DOAKn

>Strawpolls:
http://strawpoll.me/6033385
http://strawpoll.me/6049599
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Questions:
>What is your new year's resolution?
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MERRY CHRISTMAS
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>>127057981
first for angry max
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>>127057981
>What is your new year's resolution?
Treat every work of fiction I see with suspicion and weariness. Especially if it was made by French people.
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Here's to the last thread of the year. And to the coming year.
May it be prosperous and enjoyable to you all and may this community stay active. Creating and sharing content until we have the return of the characters we all know and love.
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Happy New Year from Kate's family!
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>>127058147

Max you need to do something about those bags under your eyes, a girl needs to take care of herself.
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>>127058504
Stop ruining the tradition!
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Happy new year /lesg/.

Thanks for making the dark days of 2015 a little bit brighter.
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>>127058867
I post it to mess with all of you. :^)
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>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
>eat your own foot
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>tfw no Kate gf
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>>127059178
>stuck in Max's room
>clearly on a porch
Immersion destroyed!
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Maximum Victory for the NEW YEARRR!!
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>>127059334
Admit it. You were tearing up.
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>>127059604
Alisa OTP. Plant over paw!
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>>127060086
>rescue team kicks in the door to Max's dorm room
>"No one here."
>"Wait, look, it's a bunny! Poor thing, it's half starved to death. Looks like it's alive though."
>Spanish Sahara starts playing
>close-up shot of Alice being carried out by a firefighter. What little remained of Lisa is seen as reflection in her big, dark eyes

Forget the horror here...
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>>127059404
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who here ready for another year of /cripplingdepression/?

atleast i still have my waifu, kate
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>>127060736
We're gonna make it friend.
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>>127060736
Anon, you know Kate's never going to make another appearance. It's time to let it go.
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>>127060736
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>>127060736
>tfw Kate will never take you to church and show you the love of our savior Jesus Christ
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>>127060736
K8 4 U.
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>>127060881
>>127061119
>>127061346
>>127061389
th-thanks lads
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>Kate with her hair down

This proves there is a God.
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it's 2016, I mean come on, the year of LiS 2 announcement
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>>127060736
Marry Christmas, glorious cunts!
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>>127061964
>LiS 2
>No Kate
>No Victoria
>No Nathan
>No Dana
>Very slim chance of Max and Chloe appearing
>On the off-chance they do show up Warren will probably be there too
I'm positively excited.
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happy new year eurolisg
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>>127062453
>>127061964
Kill yourselves.
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>>127062453
>LiS 2
>No Kate
>No Victoria
>No Nathan
>No Dana
>Very slim chance of Max and Chloe appearing
>On the off-chance they do show up Warren will probably be there too

Fuck this gay earth.
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In real time, Max and Chloe would have been together now for a little over two years.
I wonder what they would have done in that time and what state Arcadia Bay would be in.
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>>127063862
>what state Arcadia Bay would be in.
FUBAR most likely.
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>>127063862
They went to Max's parents in Seattle immediately after the storm. Max finished photography school while Chloe went to technical school to learn tattooing.

They went on a cross country road trip and now have a small apartment in Seattle. Max does photography work for local magazines while Chloe works at a tattoo parlor.
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>>127064781
Sean would be about done fixing it up and selling off after 2 years.
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Kate and Alice spin-off when?
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>>127065383
>tfw we will never see Max trick Kate into eating Alice
why

live
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>>127065461
Leave Alice alone. She's a good little bunny.
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>>127063862
Max is now a real life superhero, fighting crime in the big city and she wears an embarassingly sexy costume designed by Chloe.
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happy new year /lisg/!
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>>127065461
End your life.
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happy new year /lisg/!
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>>127057981


I am putting together a flowchart (a-la-/mu/) of music similar to LiS

Currently working on a few different thoughts for the flowchart. If you guys have any ideas, please share. Current plan is 3 categories; Victoriaish, slowcore, and indie pop. To bad I have literally no motivation to work on it...

Pastebin of collected (unsorted) songs so far:
http://pastebin.com/MJrjdDpe

cunts BTFO

If you want to contribute, please contact me on steam, or reply to this post.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198048865860

not-so Current Pastebin of game's music/progress:
http://pastebin.com/LaUcnMej

Thanks to photoshopgril for putting together the background image and the second chart,
polaroidgril for assembling the album covers/artist names/etc. onto the background image,
Dr. Zaius for helping in general.

I have a torrent of all the games music, Morali's OST, the Vortex Club party, all the licensed songs (most in lossless format), and all the albums they were taken from.

Magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4AF55CE2E1F48771E92E4CCE8E92156EC6A96152&dn=various+artists+life+is+strange+ost+2015&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337

https://kat.cr/various-artists-life-is-strange-ost-2015-t11495485.html

Alternative download on MEGA, if you get it from here, please add the files to your torrent folder to facilitate easier downloads for others.

https://mega.nz/#F!LtpkTbhD!hjUsXMHSdmQTvzYFz3H7_w

Spotify playlist of the licensed music here:
https://play.spotify.com/user/pieisablessing2me/playlist/0hlcayMf9otvePDw2MZ6qk
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who /maxgf2016/ here?
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>>127068906
vampyr easter egg?
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>>127068906
>what the fuck is this?
Poor quality bait.
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>>127068906
No one wants to watch your movies Warryn.
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>>127065014
Was going to reply earlier, had to go do something.
I like that idea, and it's really similar to what my own thoughts were. It seems realistic. I also like to think Chloe's 2014 resolution was to quit smoking, and she's done it.
They go back to Arcadia Bay every few months to see how the reconstruction is going and to visit Joyce and David. Joyce got injured in the storm but she recovered after a stay in the hospital. Both of them and Chloe have a newfound respect between each other and they're the closest they're been as a family. David and Chloe still aren't super close and always seeing eye-to-eye, but they no longer argue over every little thing or use childish names.

>>127066220
That's an interesting idea. But it would mean Max would need to learn how to control her powers without causing horrible things to happen. I feel like she would be able to do it, but it would take trial and error.
Speaking of costumes. I saw art of her and Chloe wearing that stuff from that Miraculous Ladybug show. It's French but I was thinking of giving it a watch.
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>>127068906
Nathan's video projector
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>>127069014
>>127069269
Yeah, its from Nathan's room. It looks like Vampyr :o
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>>127069467
>It looks like Vampyr

Fuck off, retard.
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>>127068906
Isn't that The Cabinet of Dr Caligari?
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>>127069556
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>>127069235
Except Chloe is dead :^)
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>>127070605
I know the thread is a little slow right now, but you don't need to try to bait it into being quicker.
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>>127070605
She's alive in both endings anon. Either straight away in bae or a bit after the funeral once Max snaps and goes back again.
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>>127069716
Yes. Not sure why they didn't bother to look it up.
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>>127069235
Except everyone else they know is dead and no one's going to waste their time rebuilding that shithole town.
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>>127070806
>>127071029
>trying this hard to deny to keep your lesbian shipping alive
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>>127057981
>not Merry Christmas edition

Make a new one.
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Happy new year Life general thread thingy

>Still miss Max
>Still miss Chloe
>Still hate the endings
>Still crippled by the depression after the game

Hopefully 2016 goes quick so I can be positive for a few hours again in 2017

>tfw you are 26 this year and still being emotionally affected by video games

I miss Pricefield. Post cute please.
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>>127071549
>Hopefully 2016 goes quick so I can be positive for a few hours again in 2017
Even if Season 2 does come out in 2017 you know it's going to end up being shit. The only question is when it will start to suck.
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>>127071171
That's why they rebuild it. It's a chance to build something that doesn't suck and isn't reliant on the Prescotts.
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>>127071549
>still being emotionally affected by video games
Same here, anon. I'm 24 and this game killed my emotions.
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>>127071549
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>>127071760
A waste of time and money. The economy was already going to shit with the town's ecological problems. Most of the people who might have felt any connection to the town are gone and the survivors would be better off moving on.
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>>127071549
>tfw you are 30 this year and being emotionally affected only by a video game

Why are real people so generic.
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>>127071209
It's not shipping when it's the canon pairing, you silly Warrencuck.
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>>127071209
You are aware of the fact that there is no ending where Max gets together with Warren right?
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>>127072721
Is somebody holding a gun to your head forcing you to reply? I genuinely cannot see any reason for doing so other than an eagerness to shit stir.
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>>127072949
>>127072721
How easy it is to bait Chloefags :^)
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>>127073106
le trolled! xD
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>>127071549
>>tfw you are 26 this year and still being emotionally affected by video games
>>127072226
>>tfw you are 30 this year and being emotionally affected only by a video game

What is wrong with being emotionally affected by video games? This one even had mocap and voice acting, not being emotionally affected would actually be weirder. Not that you should care either way.

Have a happy new year bros.
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>>127069235

Scarf-sharing when?
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>>127073106
Not gonna lie, I thought the cat was a rat when I saw the thumbnail.
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>>127072226
Go to bed, gramps.
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>>127073106
Katefag/Vickyfag actually.
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>>127073386
NOW
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>>127073456
>kate
But that's a sin!
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>>127073774
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>>127073774
If you don't sin, hesus died in vain.
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>>127072721
The only cuck in the game was Chloe, family.
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Ignore it.
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>>127074184
>not being a fan of dyke mcsuperbitch is trolling now
"ok"
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>>127074184
You know the posters of /lisg/ don't have it in them to ignore anything.
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>>127074184
>d-don't disagree with my opinions ;_______________;
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQHjAGW4IA
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Well /lisg/ the year's over (Or will be in a few hours). Favorites of 2015:
Game
Movie
Album/ Song
Anything else you discovered this year that you liked or that you want to share
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>>127074402
YEAHH!!! Rip apart Warryn, Nathan!Wendigo!
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>>127073771

cute. CUTE!
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>>127074620

>Game
I've only just started on the Witcher 3 and Bloodborne so I can't really comment on those. I guess I'd settle on MGSV. It is definitely flawed in a number of areas but I still had a lot of fun with it and in a year of disappointing releases it still delivered a worthwhile experience.

>Movie
Probably The Martian or The Force Awakens. The former was the first good Ridley Scott movie in ages and the latter was a nice return to form for the Star Wars franchise (though it went a bit overboard with the parallels to A New Hope).

>Album/Song
Don't really listen to much music so I'll just settle for the soundtrack to Life is Strange. Obstacles, To All of You and Mt Washington were my favourites. I also liked Glass Walls and Progress to Power from the Episode 1 and 5 trailers.
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this thread is SIN
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>>127074620
>Game
Dirt: Rally
>Movie
Spectre (pls no hate)
>Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SK_17K-5sM
>Anything else
I discovered a genuine love of girls with blue coloured hair
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>>127074620
>Game
Until Dawn and LiS
>Movie
Mad Max and The Revenant (leaked online early).
>Album/ Song
I'm a kpopfag, so my fav album/song is F(x)- 4 Walls.
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>>127075490
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>>127074620

>Game
Most fun is definitely Rocket League, LiS probably the most memorable though.
>Movie
Not a big movie guy, South Park season was fantastic though
>Album
The licensed songs in LiS. Haven't been into that sort of music since high school but now I'm getting back into it.
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>>127075492
>Spectre (pls no hate)
I fell asleep on that movie. lol
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>>127074620
Game: Life is strange (I've mad as much peace with the endings as I ever will- the anger is not just disappointment and longing for what could have been). Only other new game I've played this year is World of Warships.

Movie: The Martian. Going to see Star Wars next week, my mind is open but I already know about some things in it.

Album: Skill in Pills by Lindemann. Favorite song off it was Yukon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1hcNMOyBaU
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happy new year guys.

i'm fucking tired, going to sleep
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>>127078010
Night and happy new year, anon!
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>>127077676
Not sure WTF I just typed in that first part. I meant to say "I've made as much peace" and "The anger is now just disappointment and longing for what could have been."
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>>127078913
I make mistakes too and after I read it again, I'm like FUCK!
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>>127080779
Max, your nose...
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>>127081019
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>>127080779
>>127081183
I want to lick the blood from Max's nose
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>>127081802
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>>127081934
not in any creepy Mr. Jefferson ways, I assure you it's purely sexual.
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>>127082000
>it's purely sexual.
Yo....
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>>127082123
Yes. I just want to lick up all of Max's nose blood for my own sexual kicks.
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I don't believe you can get time travel powers by consuming someone else' blood.
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>>127082876
I don't want powers, I just want to lick up her blood to appease my penis.
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>>127082876
I snickered at the filename
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>>127074620

Game: GTA 5 and LiS

Movie: None really. Maybe Lucy? Is that from 2015 though. Can't remember

Album: Too many to list, but Ulrich Schnauss and Jonas Munk is good.
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>>127071706

I hope Season 2 doesn't come out so we can sail the Pricefield ship forever ;_;
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>>127074620
>Game
LiS
>Movie
Creed
I saw basically none though
>Album
Carrie and Lowell
>Anything else you discovered this year that you liked or that you want to share
LiS changed my life. Made me realize there's no point in living in fear of failure all the time and I'm happier now than I have been in a long time. I love you guys.
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>>127074620
>Game
Gotta go Witcher 3 holy shit that game is amazing in every sense of the word.

>Movie
Birdman.

>Album
An oldie but I've been falling back into listening to the Jet Set Radio OSTs, and fuc kme if JSRF hasn't been ma jam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSZIej-ZraE
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>>127084465
Regardless of who/what the next season has. The Pricefield ship will never sink. It will sail the seas, pirating and plundering our hearts, forever.
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>>127074620
>Game
LiS and Bloodborne, obviously for different reasons.
>Movie
Twinsters. Although it'd probably be Carol if I'd seen it yet.
>Album
Pinkshinyultrablast, or maybe new Sleater-Kinney
>Anything else
They FINALLY got off the boat, just to go on hiatus and be published irregularly again and shitty CG animation in the meantime. At least I got to see Farnese for the first time in 3 years. If there's one character I love more than Chloe.
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>>127085289

I hope so..

Episode 6/DLC/Epilogue when!!!!!!!
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>>127085471
Never
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>>127085471

https://www.fanfiction.net/game/Life-is-Strange/

It's the best you will get
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>>127085583

;______________:

>>127086018
I'm not a fanfic guy but.. I will make an exception to this. I will just convince myself this is CANON
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>>127058538

But that's what makes her so plain. Like biscuit. From a tin. Wrapped in bubble wrap, crumbling from every knock.
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Fuk u, Michel. :/ Making it seem like Pricefield had a supper ass happy ending.
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>>127086586

Aren't we supposed to be about celebrating people's lives rather than their deaths?
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>>127086741
Yeah. So let us celebrate the lives of the residents of Arcadia Bay.
You were good fisherman, townsfolk, and workers.
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>>127086741
>>127086841
Alright.
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>>127086841

Shame they had to die because some hipster qt had to have her punk poon.
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>>127085425
Referring to Berserk? I've never read/ watched it, but glad to hear it's started back up for those that like it. I saw a lot of people rejoicing about them getting off the boat.
Unfortunately I don't think I will ever see Ryuuko, the only character I like as much as Chloe, again. Although I was pretty satisfied with the ending of her story.
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>tfw I'll never see Max sit on Victoria's face.
Why live?
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Awaiting another year of depression and anxiety.

Happy New Year.
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>>127074620
>Game
LiS. Just realized that's one of the few games I actually played all year
>Movie
Interstellar, though I saw other movies from older years that I liked more
>Album
Arca - Mutant
>Anything Else
Starting a game-making partnership with a friend of mine
In a band that's getting some traction but I feel really bored of the music we're making
Realized I have serious gender dysphoria and I don't know what to do
Feeling more creative than ever but also more sad than ever and I guess that's just the way it goes
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>>127087630
Whoa, Victoria calm down.
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>>127086741
You've summarised in a sentence exactly why Episode 5 is so wretched. Whereas before the series had a sense of optimism in spite of the darker elements, Polarized just went balls out with its over-the-top edginess. Victoria's role is like a twisted mirror image of Kate's side-story where (completely logical and sensible) efforts to help her end in her death for the sake of shock value. The episode doesn't celebrate the characters at all. It's just obsessed with killing them all off.
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>>127074620
>Game
Probably LiS or Rust
>Movie
Hmm, I'd go with The Force Awakens since it's the only movie I saw at the theatre
>Album
In Times by Enslaved
>Anything else you discovered this year that you liked or that you want to share
I discovered I have 2 half-sisters. Fun stuff.
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HAPPY NEW YEAR, EAST COAST!
MAY IT BE HELLA!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR /LISG/!!!!!!!
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>>127090634
Happy new year anon.
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>>127090627
>>127090634
Happy New Year, family
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Happy new years guys, I love you all.
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>>127092131
Love you too :)
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>>127086741
>You are my treasure

Makes me choke up just a bit every time.
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happy new year /lisg/

let's dance!
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>>127092951
>let's dance!
Happy new year :))))
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>>127092951
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>>127075492
>Dirt: Rally

muh nigga

Game: Undertale and Life is Strange kind of tied cus both really fucking hit me just in the right spots this year.

Movie: [spoilers]Mad Max[/spoilers]: Fury Road

Album/ Song: Mountain Goats Beat the Champ/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKVY5_FB2i0
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>>127086110
Lisg sure makes for a lot of exceptions.
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>>127093214
Max may finally be ready
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>>127074620
>Game
LiS honestly, despite everything
>Movie
Force Awakens tied with Carol. Very different reasons.
>Album/ Song
Nothing new this year but a whole lot of stuff I discovered this year. LiS's soundtracks for a start, loads of 80s synth wave stuff too.
>Anything else you discovered this year that you liked or that you want to share
Finally explored the countryside around here because the LiS par made me want to go walking. Whilst out there, I got lots of thinking done and it helped me get over my shithouse ex and also come to terms with some medical bullshit I had to think about.
In all, really fucking glad I played this game with you all.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
I love you all
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If you want something cool, head over to
>>>/a/
Congratulations. You are now tang
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/r/ing the comic where chloe is making max find the bottles in the garbage then she gets bored immediately and max lets her die

>>127094051
i really am looking forward to seeing carol. Kind of refuse to see it in screener form though.
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>>127094478

Are Chloe and Max the Rei and Asuka of Life is Strange?
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>>127095919
Max is like Shinji. She comes back to something/ somewhere she once knew, but has a lot of self doubt. She battles her enemies and herself and comes out stronger.
Chloe is like Asuka. She has a rough and tough exterior, but under it is a scared little girl who just wants to be loved again. She is needlessly angry because she's scared she'll appear weak if she isn't.
Rachel is Yui. She fucked up big time and caused the whole mess, but she's also a protector and the reason the journey was able to happen anyway
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>>127096305

Is Kate Rei?
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>>127096305
>Rachel is Yui. She fucked up big time and caused the whole mess
I'm pretty sure Rachel isn't responsible for Jefferson's crimes, Nathan's assistance or Sean's unwitting financial support.
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Was anyone else annoyed at the start of episode 2?
I played them a day apart, and after the first episode ended with Chloe saying "tell me everything" I was confused waiting half of episode 2 to eventually infer that they just decided off camera to go home right after that and not talk about it again until tomorrow.
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>day 5 of post LiS depression
>still can't find the energy to even fap
>everytime I try, think of Max in the dark room
>lose boner instantly
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>>127097949
i didn't fap for over a month after finishing LiS funfact
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>>127097949

You can always fap with your heart
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>>127097949
Maybe this will help?
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>>127097949
I still can't fap to LiS characters. If I read something lewd it has to be passionate and consensual.
I don't want to see anything of the characters getting abused, hurt, etc. Especially because numerous of them already were in the game.
Took me about three weeks after finishing playing to be able to fap again. I just didn't have the urge.
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>>127097949
That's rough anon. I managed to start moving on from the post-LiS depression after about 2 days. Don't think I was incapable of fapping but I didn't feel like eating much for the first 24 hours or so. I don't even want to imagine what it would have been like if I hadn't learned about Mass Effect 3's ending in advance.
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>>127098337

No that's even worst. Max shouldn't be treated like that. She needs care and love and, you know, someone to hug her after all those shit she been through
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>>127074620
>Game
Haven't played much this year. Mostly watched walkthroughs.
LiS, Homeworld (remaster is a cashgrab don't buy)
I'd name Killing Floor 2 as well if TW didn't pull that shit on us. MFW

>Movie
Fury Road. Gushing praise is justified.
Haven't watched SW or Carol yet.
>Album/ Song
New BBNG singles make me hype for 2016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=967RRWqVZqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=091kyYmjVjo

>Anything else
>tfw ruble=rubble
>tfw compatriots are fucking insane
New Year resolution:
>buy a gun

Also< >tfw your dream car these days is a Prius
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>>127098847
Is this better?
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>>127098991

Better. But I can't fap to that. No way.

Fuck, why do I keep thinking about fapping. I should just stop.
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>>127098847
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>>127099053
>stop fapping

I've heard that's bad for you.
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Speaking o Life is Strange and Anime equivalencies/ similarities.
I was watching TFS and their latest episode had the part where Krillin has the remote to kill 18. My brain immediately went to LiS:
>Option 1: Press button, kill person you care about (That you fall in love with in the future) but avert a terrible thing that's about to happen
>Option 2: Let that terrible thing happen but give that person you care about a chance to live a better life
Granted it's more complicated than that. But the fact I thought of that worries me.
I cannot escape the grasp this game has on me. Even when I try to turn off my brain.
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>>127099908
Just wondering, has anyone done a pic of the Imagination Lord doing Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation? The one where he shouts "And this is to go even further beyond!"
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>>127094875
>/r/ing the comic
I'll post it when I get back home in about 7 hours... I swear I had the comic on my phone but I can't find it now
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>>127099283

The things that used to turn me on, rape, molest and torture, doesn't work on me now.

I used to dislike lesbian porn, but now I'm not so sure.

Sigh are there any.. Girls that are like Max? Skinny, petite, short-haired, plain looking.
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>>127101075
>rape, molest and torture,
What the fuck, bro.
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>>127101075

>Sigh are there any.. Girls that are like Max?

irl or porn?
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>>127101075
Please get out, sir.
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>>127074402

Holy shit, I'm dying
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>>127097497

Yeah, just another example of this series' clunkiness. Plus talking about how Max has been researching time travel all night, having all these walls of text for us to read, but the devs going "n-no, you're not supposed to question where her power came from, it's just magic to tell a story!"
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>>127101712

What do you think...

BOTH
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>>127102808

Shyla Jennings is the closest I can think of, though she has long hair.

IRL Maxes exist, just creep around the liberal arts departments at your local universities.
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>>127103736
>liberal arts departments


Owww man I'm in the engineering school.
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>>127097949
Take up photography and become Max. It's the only way.
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>>127074620
>Game: Life is Strange
>Movie: Ex Machina
>Album/ Song: Lana Del Rey - Honeymoon
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looking for more games like lis, strong on story, light on gameplay, voice acting is a must, any sugestions?
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>>127104918
There is nothing like it. The Walking Dead is mostly shit. Gone Home is similar on story, two young lesbians. It takes place in one house though. So, yeah. Gone Home is probably the closest.
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>>127105080
yeah, i know about telltale stuff but the games that look interesting to me are unfinished
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>>127104474

Try to get some qt photographer or painter to introduce you to art.
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the internet lied to me, just finished the game and there are plenty of lesbian subtext but nothing openly gay
maybe i did something wrong tho
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>>127105370
you did yeah
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>>127105447
wut do, i tried
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>>127105541

The secret to the sinful homosexual ending is to let Max sink into Chloe's juvenile delinquency at least 3 times in order to degrade Max's moral compass enough to engage in something so vile. But it's okay, because the kiss only happens if you do as God always intended and send the dyke to her fiery doom, so it's really a story of redemption.
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>>127106452
will try that, not sure bout the sending the dyke to her fiery doom part bc i really like her but thanks
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>>127105541
>>127106952
try looking it up
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>>127105265

I have no problem with Art, I already play a lot of music.

But does Max.. Really exist?
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>>127107028
first thing i tried but things like "life is strange how to romance chloe" or "life is strange chloe max romance" only bring up tons of lesbian fan art and speculation forumthreads

also is it just ending or can you develop and have a relationship with chloe durring the game?
bc if it's just about a kiss if you let her die it's really not worth it for me
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>>127074620
>Game
Has to be LiS. Even though the endings were shit, I still can't completely stop thinking about this game. I don't think any other game made me feel like this, hell, not even other medium.

>Movie
Movies were shit this year, I haven't seen TFA yet though. So from what I've seen, I probably liked Sicario the most.

>Album/Song
LiS had some good music that I would never listen to otherwise, because I prefer electronic music. So I have to say that LiS OST was my favourite this year.
>Anything else
I finished college and got my first job in 2015. I have no goals in 2016, which feels weird.
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>>127107313
every shy and quiet artsy girl is max inside
assuming you are not talking about time travel superpowers
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>>127107324
>bc if it's just about a kiss if you let her die it's really not worth it for me

That's literally all it is.
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>>127107428

I wonder if there are any girls above 21 who are still like Max..
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>>127107313

Finding a girl as innocent and naive as Max will be hard but I know a few girls that look like max and are into photography.
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>>127107509
well isn't that a fucking disapointment
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>>127108253

I don't think Max is innocent or naive. She's just withdrawn and reserved, deep down she knows her shit
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/life-strange-interview-co-directors-talk-success-their-favourite-scenes-fan-feedback-season-two-1533435

>A second season would work but the story of Max and Chloe is told, their character arcs are closed. Whichever choice the player made, Max reached the end of her coming-of-age story, now she has grown up. She made her pivotal decision and the player helped to create her character, her feelings, her relationships... we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe

See that sinking ship? Yeah that's USS Pricefield
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>>127109339
>we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers
I'm sure they do.
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>>127110108

Pft, and I'd like to think I'm a decent human being, but that doesn't un-kill any hookers.
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>>127110495
yes it can anon. just use your imagination :)
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>>127109339
>we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe
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>>127109339
>>127111351
So in their mind Max and Chloe's relationship is shaped by the player? I guess that'll make the warrencucks happy.
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>>127110495
Well you could always turn yourself in. That'd be a decent act.
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The game made me feel so alone. Never gonna have a gf :`(
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Chloe Price: 1994-03-11 - GPA 1.7
Rachel Amber: 1995-07-22 - GPA 4.0
Victoria Chase: 1995-08-14 - GPA 3.9
Nathan Prescott: 1995-08-29 - GPA 3.7
Kate Marsh: 1995-09-12 - GPA 3.9
Max Caulfield: 1995-09-21 - GPA 2.8
Warren Graham: 1996-11-20 - GPA 4.0

I noticed that Max dropped the unused weedkiller bomb material into the principal's trashcan. That's going to raise some fucking ruckus!!
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/life-strange-interview-co-directors-talk-success-their-favourite-scenes-fan-feedback-season-two-1533435

>A second season would work but the story of Max and Chloe is told, their character arcs are closed. Whichever choice the player made, Max reached the end of her coming-of-age story, now she has grown up. She made her pivotal decision and the player helped to create her character, her feelings, her relationships... we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe.

>You will never see Max and Chloe again

This made me depressed even moreso
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>>127105370
Pretty much this. Max and Chloe's sexuality is never firmly established (both show romantic/sexual interest in male characters in multiple places in the game, for example), so while there is plenty of (sometimes obvious) lesbian subtext, there's still some subjectiveness to it. The developers have been pretty consistent in say that it's mostly just down to how the players want to interpret it, though they frequently hint at muh lesbians too.

The two will kiss at the end in one ending if you did enough pro-Chloe stuff throughout the game. That's really THE only moment where they push it to proper gurls-on-gurls.

At the end of it all, if you want to play a straight Max, you can. Most of the subtext is on Chloe's side anyway.
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>>127112123
>Chloe Price: 1994-03-11 - GPA 1.7
>Rachel Amber: 1995-07-22 - GPA 4.0
>Victoria Chase: 1995-08-14 - GPA 3.9
>Nathan Prescott: 1995-08-29 - GPA 3.7
>Kate Marsh: 1995-09-12 - GPA 3.9
>Max Caulfield: 1995-09-21 - GPA 2.8
>Warren Graham: 1996-11-20 - GPA 4.0

Ha. Given that we know that Chloe is actually pretty smart (both from what we learn about her in the original timeline, and from her straight A's in the alternate timeline), this makes Max look like the village idiot. The loveable village idiot. :3

>I noticed that Max dropped the unused weedkiller bomb material into the principal's trashcan. That's going to raise some fucking ruckus!!
Prolly not. She doesn't drop the bomb in there, just the pieces, yeah? And most of them are just normal bits and pieces, or items from next door. Even if the Principal saw it all, I doubt he would be thinking "that's a bomb!" so much as he would just be thinking "why did the cleaner move some of that trash into my bin?"
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>>127112259
>At the end of it all, if you want to play a straight Max, you can. Most of the subtext is on Chloe's side anyway.
Careful there. I don't think that's a very popular opinion in this general. Still I actually do like the idea that a friendship between Max and Chloe could be so deep that Max would be willing to sacrifice everything to keep her best friend alive.
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>>127112123
Missed Kate's birthday by 2 days.
Chloe was born when I graduated.
From Uni.

FUUUUU~~
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>>127112448
The game strongly steers you into being romantically linked with Chloe ("I wish I had kissed her", "Is this friendship....or love?") but you can just be really good friends.
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>>127112427
> I doubt he would be thinking "that's a bomb!"

If the principal did not have a extra-sheltered youth he would be thinking "who put the ingredients for a fscking bomb into my trash?"

When I was kid we discussed this kind of shit every month at least once and weedkiller was easily obtained; never made one though.

Given that TERROR is suspected these days when someone brings a homemade clock to school, poor David is bound to destroy his circadian rhythm.
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>>127112427
>Chloe is actually pretty smart
Debatable. She certainly isn't a very practical or sensible thinker and the game doesn't demonstrate her alleged scientific prowess. All she really gets to do is make a one-off reference to Chaos Theory (probably the same dumb train of thought as Warren) and we find a few books relating to time travel scattered around her room. Max researches the exact same thing as well so it's hardly extraordinary.

To be fair though, with the possible exception of Nathan none of the kids really get to show off their supposed skills. Warren's chemistry and understanding of quantum physics doesn't reflect his high GPA and we have to just take their word for it that Rachel really was this super-smart girl. Victoria does seem to be quite studious but Courtney's ghost-written paper is a strike against her. We're also told that Max has a "gift" but none of her photographs really stand out as particularly impressive (could be due to the game's visuals). Nathan at least does have some visually-interesting photos despite his grades taking a downturn.
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>>127110495
Mr Plinkett, why don't you do a review of LiS?
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>>127112229

I will never forget Max. I promise. In fact, I plan to find a girl just like her. She's totally my type.
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>>127112839
>Debatable.
No, I mean that Max literally states that Chloe used to be a straight A student before her father died (when you look at her crappy report card in her room in Ep1).

I think the biggest problem is simply that which is common in media - the writers have no idea about any of this stuff themselves, and just fake it till they make it. Having Chloe or Warren just drop random lines about pop-sci level quantum mechanics might sound kinda cool to the random-joe off the street, but if you know much more about the subject it comes across as exactly what it is. The writers obviously intended us to THINK Warren is smart, that Max has some gift of photography, etc, and that's really what matters I guess.
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>>127112839
Graham is more like Weathley DESU

Also these are grades from high school. Let them test their mettle at uni, it's a whole new ballpark (head's gonna explode etc).

I like Max telling Nathan in the diner that she needs drugs because that's how she stays up all night studying. WHAT!
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>>127113069
It's kind of a shame because one thing I liked a lot about Episode 1 and to a lesser extent 2 was the little details about Photography as a subject. I never studied it in my life so it was kind of neat hearing Max and other students discuss famous photographers and techniques. It could well be that the devs didn't really know all that much about the topic but I found it sort of educational.
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>>127113035
Good luck anon.
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>>127113075
Isn't Blackwell meant to be more demanding than most high schools though? I got the impression it was a sort of gap between high school and uni designed for gifted students (and some with rich families).
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>>127113254

Yeah erh, I will join some 'cultured and sophisticated' art club. Guitar is a big no, probably faggots strumming their fucking acoustics. Photography.. Nah too many people comparing lenses.

Literature? I don't know. Tell me.
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>>127113346
It seems to be but we don't get a "cram school" impression at all. Max's curriculum seems light. Cinematography would demand that people are mostly in their room or the library and dumping stuff into their brains, freaking out in the hallways due to "above my head" problems and cancelling social life and weekends to get ahead. The science room should be full (ok, that's expensive to do) None of this is hinted at.

The most demanding thing at Blackwell seems to be a pervasive and unsolvable "bullying culture" And that took me some time to pick up on (not sure why), which I imagine is why the school is called "Blackhell" and principal keeps the bottle nearby.
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>>127113467
I have no idea man, it never worked for me. It all depends. Ask some lady that's nearby, she might give some advice.

Sports club? Not US "team sports" though. Martial arts. Dancing classes fer sure.
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>In his mid 40s
>Doesn't look over 30

What's his secret?
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>>127112123
>Kate Marsh: 1995-09-12 - GPA 3.9
>Max Caulfield: 1995-09-21 - GPA 2.8
Born 9 days apart from each other and both residents of Arcadia Bay. Could Max and Kate ever have gone to the same school or kindergarten as each other?
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>>127113221

I find it really weird that we are genuinely meant to just buy that Max's photos aren't shit, when the visual style of the game itself is very impressive and in-game photos from other characters are pretty cool.
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>>127114129
I don't see why not but then they would have known each other very well, AB not being very large. Then their interaction would have been different.
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>>127113794
>The most demanding thing at Blackwell seems to be a pervasive and unsolvable "bullying culture" And that took me some time to pick up on (not sure why), which I imagine is why the school is called "Blackhell" and principal keeps the bottle nearby.

Honestly, what evidence really is there aside from what happened to Kate? I mean yeah that's a big deal, but it's a single incident that was based on an unknown crime and resulting misunderstandings as to it's severity.
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>>127114219
We are meant to buy that she has three different types of TIMU POWERU, so I don't consider this a big problem storytelling-wise.
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>>127114219
The problem is the visual style gives a lot of the photos that hand drawn sketchy look and we've only got Max's monologue (and Jefferson's critique) to inform us which photos count as good. Aside from the Dark Room photos the only ones that really stick out to me are Nathan's macabre black-and-white pics and to a lesser extent Kate's contest entry.
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>>127114008

>"hey erh, where can I find a short hair, plain looking girl who likes to do nerdy stuff, look and speak like she's sad and moody all the time?"
>"oh you mean Joey? You can find her in the painting class.
>goes there and see her
>holy shit that's who dontnod based off their design of Max from

THEN WHAT
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>>127114460
Congratulate
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>>127114289
Daniel, Alyssa and possibly Luke are on the receiving end of school bullying. Dana gets locked in her own room by her best friend over a prank played by Victoria. Warren is also implied to be a bullying victim judging by the graffiti written about him and his vicious retribution against Nathan.
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>>127114289
That's another DONTNOD storytelling problem where they don't bring that over all too well.

In the very first hallway scene this is brought up numerous times. I thought it's just the usual high-school retardation showing itself but then..

> School is called "Blackhell" according to principal
> Principal ready to give up, drinks heavily
> Quite a few people behave like jerks in need of attitude adjustments in the very first hallway scene
> Anti-bullying posters
> Victoria and her minion club in dire need of immediate arse whipping
> Retarded cliques of retardation
> Prescott suppress evidence of misbehaviour
> Plan to put up cameras being seriously considered
> Kate is just another bullying victim and basically background noise, which is why people are kinda indifferent to her plight
> Juliet's article talking about how Kate's suicide attempt is what it took to get people to acknowledge Blackwell has a fundamental bullying problem
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So Blackwell is a school for just 12th graders only?
Everyone is just there for a year?
What good can come out of just a years worth of education?
Is this really a thing in US?
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>>127114460
explain Dune to
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>>127114630
I thought it was two years. Nathan, Victoria and I believe Dana and Brooke were there the previous semester.
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>>127114486
"Hey Joey I have heard people talk about your paintings. Wanna discuss techniques later with some coffee?" Then make her feel all nonthreatened and warm (unless you are torture-and-rape anon from earlier), then invite for an evening out.

She will then tell you that you are really nice and stuff but that she already has a bf and will be engaged next week ;_;
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>>127114854
>bf
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>>127114129
Yep. I'd go out on a limb to say that it's basically impossible that they wouldn't have met. Plus, a handful of other Blackwell students are supposedly from Arcadia Bay as well, despite nobody seemingly mentioning that they probably would have known each other previously. It's weird as fuck ... until you remember all the other similar little details that Dontnod seemingly just didn't put any real thought into.

Kate is probably supposed to be from elsewhere. The "Hometown: Arcadia Bay" line in her school file is probably just another flub (there are a few in those files).

>>127114359
Three? She only has two. Her regular rewind and the focus power.

People keep brining up when she stopped time in Ep2. I think this is pretty clearly just a slightly different manifestation of her regular rewind powers though. She's exhausted, trying to push time backwards, but it's just not letting her ... resulting in time freezing rather than moving backwards.
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>>127115139
If you want MOTSS, I am not sure.
Same probably.
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>>127114854

>someone likes a girl like Max
>someone likes a nosy, seemingly stuck in her own world girl

What, I thought I was special man. I thought Chad go for Stacies.
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>>127115178
>Three? She only has two. Her regular rewind and the focus power.

She also has bullet time power.
And maybe vision power.

Also

> Get a feeling like something is sardonically laughing inside my head
> Look to the right
> This book on my desk and has been for some time.

Is the universe mocking me?
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>>127114854
>Knew a girl who was a mix of Max and Kate (religious and really kindhearted)
>We got really close
>Was too afraid to ask her out
>She started dating someone else and eventually married him

Life is....suffering
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>>127115314
I like them.
They may be good at programming.
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>>127115178
>Kate is probably supposed to be from elsewhere. The "Hometown: Arcadia Bay" line in her school file is probably just another flub (there are a few in those files).
There are mistakes but there's nothing to contradict Kate being born in Arcadia Bay. The way she refers to her church and David's files on her regular attendance gives the impression that she's part of a local congregation. It may be possible that her family moved to a different town like the Caulfields did but there's nothing to contradict Arcadia Bay being her childhood hometown.
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>>127115496

My ex was like a hybrid of Chloe and Max. Instead of indie folk you have stupid punk rock bands. And painting instead of photography.
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>>127114580
>>127114519

Oh yeah, I guess I kinda forgot about all that stuff. They never really went anywhere with it, in the end it comes off as generic background fluff present in literally anything set in high school. Shame.
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>>127088653
This so much. You don't need to know more about the game to realize that their writing is gruesomely lackluster. "People dying" is literally ALL they rely on for tragedy. They don't explore the "dark themes" they have always talked about, they don't delve into the psychological depths that some of their characters seem to have. That is all implied but then amounts to empty promises and betrayed hopes.

Kate's problem is not a religious or existential crisis. It's literally whether she jumps to her death or whether you can somehow coerce her out of it. If she does, she's dead (and the devs consider her story "told"), if she doesn't everything's suddenly perfect for her again.
Chloe's real deal from the get-go is not to do with her psychological problems and in the end none of those are resolved. In fact, she develops more. Whether she stays alive or dies is the only thing that truly is to her, and that's all that is resolved in the end.
Victoria and Nathan had potential to be about so much more, but then just end up in Jefferson's fridge in some of the most ridiculous perplexing fashion.
Jefferson's obsession is laughably portrayed and developed and the only thing that makes him "significant" here in the end is that he starts killing people.
Rachel in the end is just dead.
The powers and mystery and "ominous atmosphere" and the storm in the end revolve solely about people dying or living.
William is just A/B dead/alive.
Even the fucking plant can only live or die.

Everything in the game ultimately revolves around itself without ever going beyond one of the most naive interpretations of "life" as it presents itself: that "death" is "bad" and that "life" is "good". That is not "strange" at all - that's what every 3 year old will tell you about "life". That's the very basis upon which humans can even go on living their meaningless lives; a natural understanding everyone has to begin with. In the end there is no message or story here.
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>>127115795
>Kate's problem is not a religious or existential crisis. It's literally whether she jumps to her death or whether you can somehow coerce her out of it. If she does, she's dead (and the devs consider her story "told"), if she doesn't everything's suddenly perfect for her again.
I was worried about that from the end of Episode 2. There was very little hope of Kate having any relevance or even making another appearance after Episode 2. Episode 3 confirmed that and it was only due to fan response that they inserted a token scene for her in Episode 4. Making her a determinant character wasted a lot of potential for Kate. I'd have actually been interested to learn more about issues with faith and family.
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>>127114736
>>127114630

It's just a weird inconsistency. Safe to say, it's not a one-year school, since many kids were there the previous year and Chloe was kicked out two years ago.
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David's Autism Simulator when?
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>>127115496
Always make a move anon.

> Meet girl at friend's marriage
> Not too pretty but cute
> Invite her to dance
> She says yes
> Dance is worse than Max autism awareness campaign
> Well that didn't go too well
> Another dance?
> "I don't think so"
> Okay.jpg
> Leave party
> Years later
> Meet her brother
> She has married some arsehole
> Has kids
> Divorced
> "I'm sad to hear that"
> Talk about how she cold-shouldered me mercilessly back then
> Brother says "You are wrong. She was totally into you, dude"
> TFW
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>>127112427
>>127112839
>>127113069
High-school GPA doesn't make you "smart". Chloe is not really portrayed as being particuarly intelligent. The contrary actually with how she walks right into Jefferson's trap, stumbles over her own thoughts trying to plan out getting to Frank's keys and her "Yeah... Uh, what exactly do we do?" line in the investigation puzzle. Part of it is definitely to show how her unconcerned, "unconcentrated" personality, but between her years of sitting around drinking and blazing and not using her head much I don't think the games intention is to make her out to be a "smart" character. The "unconcerned genius" type thing where she has a scientific or mathematical affinity I guess is in there to some extent, but then we are talking about a different kind of "smart".
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>>127116261
That's not the autisms, he has been in Dick Cheney's retarded War on Stuff and never came home.
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>>127116662
> stumbles over her own thoughts trying to plan out getting to Frank's keys
It's like a plan a Jedi Knight could come up with in a Lucas movie

> Uh, what exactly do we do?
But that's for storytelling purposes mainly. It gives the player something to do. If Max was wallflowered all the time, the player would drop the game. This is also why Chloe gets to click around on computers and Max is tasked with fetch/investigate quests instead.

> years of sitting around drinking and blazing
That's just 2-3 years, a blink of an eye (though a long time for a 19-year old)
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>>127115178
>It's weird as fuck ...
It's really weird in general how this game is deliberately set in a small town for the sake of that atmosphere, and yet everyone behaves like total strangers who are stuck living away form home and with strangers, trying to acclimate to that weird and new environment.
Talking to Taylor at the party, it felt like we were fucking studying abroad in Europe or something the way she talked.

Even with shit like the Prescotts, the general attitude towards Nathan is all over the place. Half the time people act like he's just some asshole nothing more to it, and other times they kindasorta acknowledge that some kind of intervention is required and that Sean simply won't have it.
I don't come from small town America so what do I know, but any small community I have been among, people like Nathan are just common knowledge. Everyone knows everything, and they also just know not to talk about it because there's a huge taboo and a change-fearing attitude that it's good enough as-is and no good would come of stirring the pot.
But in Arcadia Bay, everyone seems to simultaneously talk about it constantly like they're aware, but not understand what's happening at all.

So what's the story? Is it about people who get unfortunately overlooked (because they're assholes like Nathan or pariahs Kate), or people who are actively ignored even when we know better (like the acknowledgement of Nathan and Kate's issues that were actively buried)?
Like, if it changed depending on which character you spoke to that'd be fine, but every single one of them presents the same neither-here-nor-there attitude. Ms Grant talks like the most aware and even she simply discusses it as if Sean snubbed her offer to fix his rickety spice rack.

It's just really weird because it's such a classic corruption in small communities, where everyone knows what's going on but don't know what they could do about it even if they wanted to - cops scared to arrest their buddies, etc.
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>>127115795
>That is all implied
I'm not sure I'd even go so far as to give them credit for implying it. Sometimes I fee like we're just inferring it from happy accidents.
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>>127115795
>Even the fucking plant can only live or die.
Oh god, THAT'S what the plant meant!

But for real, you've really hit the nail on the head here anon, I hadn't thought of it in these terms before but spot on.

It reminds me of a shitty YA series I read a while back that started out looking like some maybe okay scifi in shitty YA clothing, then by the end just devolved into "and then THIS character dies, and then THIS character dies!" and there was an author's note talking about how her editor convinced her to not be scared of killing off characters and how it was making her a better writer and shit. Christ.
When did we start fetishising death so much? Why is that now an "instant depth, just add water" go-to? It's so goddamn lazy. It's fine for GoT and Walking Dead because those stories put the effort elsewhere into crafting a universe BUILT around ever-potential death. But the rest of you have to try a little fucking harder, save the death scenes for when they're fucking earned.

For those curious, the YA series I'm talking about is Across The Universe by Beth Revis. But skip it and read some real science fiction, it's shit and offers nothing new.
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>>127117029
>But that's for storytelling purposes mainly. It gives the player something to do. If Max was wallflowered all the time, the player would drop the game. This is also why Chloe gets to click around on computers and Max is tasked with fetch/investigate quests instead.
There's no reason Chloe can't come up with a plan now and then and still delegate Max to carrying it out.
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>>127117068
Dammit I can't compete with this kind of analysis.

It's like dontnod have pulling in a set of memes and story devices and glued them together haphazardly with forced dark ending added. Closer examination reveals that the result depicts a world that just wouldn't work.
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>>127115795

Makes sense. The game treat death as the ultimate bad end.

I feel like, a lot of actions done by Max is done trying to get people not killed.
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>>127094875
>>127100743
And here it is.
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>>127117713
This is just adorable!
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>>127117706
And still she fails.
Actually, she fails in all timelines.
She fails even from the get go with Mademoiselle Amber.
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>>127117479
If you look at something that uses a series of deaths reasonably well like TLOU, each one builds into the protagonists development to justify the emotional climax (Joel's choice at the end). Here, the deaths just feel like shock for the sake of shock, tragedy for the sake of 'look how dark and serious our writing actually is'. Kate/Victoria have no impact at all on Max's development. Neither does Chloe's death, in either ending Max has the same final 'reaction'. The whole experience feels so hollow and manipulative.
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>>127115442
>She also has bullet time power.
Re-read the full post you replied to. The bullet time power is just her regular rewind being used slightly differently.

Fair enough about the vision power though. But given that it's not something she can seemingly control, I'm not sure it makes sense to call it a "power"?

>>127115537
>There are mistakes but there's nothing to contradict Kate being born in Arcadia Bay.
I mean, the fact that so much of Kate's life doesn't make sense could be considered contradictory. For example ...

>The way she refers to her church and David's files on her regular attendance gives the impression that she's part of a local congregation.
But if she has been attending this church her whole life, that would imply her parents are still living in town ... in which case, why would it take them so long to visit her at hospital, why would they write letters and communicate via email, why wouldn't she still live at home given her mother's worry about her studying at Blackwell, etc.

The girls have already been living in Arcadia Bay for at least a month, so there is no reason why she wouldn't have started to fall into a routine at a new church by that point.

>It may be possible that her family moved to a different town like the Caulfields did but there's nothing to contradict Arcadia Bay being her childhood hometown.
It's possible, it just feels like a bit of a stretch to me. But even so, it still wouldn't really make sense that they wouldn't have met each other in kindergarten, elementary school, or even just the local haunts, given that it's such a small town.

I think it just makes more sense that the already-mistake-riddled Principal's files were just filled out by someone who wasn't really keeping up with the character backgrounds.
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>>127115795

Come to think of it, I think Warren and David are the only main characters at all (depending on how you define 'main') who don't get a death scene the second their role in the story is done. They can die too, but you can't continue with them dead.

But Kate's story ends, okay she can jump now.
Victoria's had it out with Max, time to optionally die.
Nathan's revealed as no longer a threat, off you go useless.
Jefferson's petered out, boom headshot.
Frank's no longer important, well at least Pompidou won't eat his corpse.

To some extent, I think this is just trying to cheat the 'choices matter' angle.
>Are we done with this character? Okay, put in an optional death scene.
But it also obviously shows a scary lack of awareness for how much potential was left in them, and lack of awareness of how to ACTUALLY make choices count or feel appropriate (we've previously talked at length about how leaving Frank dead just feels ridiculous).
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>>127117549
There is no plan.

To get into the RV, Max goes into the diner and randomly wings it. She's lucky that both Nathan and the police officer are there to give hints as to what to say to Frank.

Of course underneath it's just backtracking exploration of a small graph, but still---
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>>127118331

Fuck, thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to finally get that game for months and been desperate for something new to play for weeks.
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>>127116662
>High-school GPA doesn't make you "smart".
I didn't mean to imply that it does. I was simply making fun of the fact that everyone has (near-) perfect GPAs (or were capable of it before blowing it off) except for Max. It's cute. I didn't mean to start some "book smarts vs street smarts" discussion.
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>>127118454
>She's lucky that both Nathan and the police officer are there to give hints as to what to say to Frank.

I love Nathan's "oh and don't you even think of relaying this information to that police officer over there to learn more, no siree!"
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>>127118454
>Max goes into the diner and randomly wings it
And she has the nerve to be all "bitch I got this" to Chloe.

For real though, multiple times in that episode Max used her power 'against' Chloe, it's weird that it never gets brought up given Chloe seems to have issues with feeling like an inadequate fuck up - compared to Max specifically, if Joyce is a reliable source.
And yet in the finale, it's only Max's feelings of inadequacy that are dealt with - and her feelings only reflect that at this point she still knows fuck all about anyone, including the girl she supposedly loves, and just reveal her as being extraordinarily immature and ignorant for someone on the cusp of the climax. She's gone from judging Chloe's kind of behaviour to feeling a need to live up to it, wonderful, such growth.
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https://youtu.be/ABcXyZn9xjg?t=1662
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>>127117136
I do give them credit for it, but I can see how you wouldn't want to. Definitely not all of the good stuff about the game was intended, a lot of it is accidental, but even so it still takes something for happy to even be able to happen. A total hack won't accidentally write a great story, or even just have a great character in it. I think the gaps dontnod left in many things and only developed environmentally or otherwise hinted at is deliberate and takes some skill to do as compellingly as they did here: that we can infer so much to most of everything even though in the game and story itself it is practically shapeless and essentially meaningless.

>>127117479
"Death" is so mundane and boring, I have no idea why writers think to need to rely so much on it. And then even more here; with Chloe dying over and over and Max's power creating and destroying universes at will, the death/life dichotomy means even less that it does to begin with. It just gets really fucking dull here. "Oh, where's Victoria gone? She was right next to me just now..." - Of course she's fucking dead. Nathan? Dead and buried. Chloe's dead for like the 6th time. The David versus Jefferson thing is literally a celebratory orgy of that ridiculously shallow death-fixation. The devs were probably laughing their asses of when scripting this shit, knowing they can just scream "Boo! Dead!" at people and they will praise them for how "emotional" it is.
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>>127119205
Hello Reddit.
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>>127118463
Oh, yeah, I find that adorable too. How Max struggles with school work (partly because she's not the smartest, partly because she's not the most dedicated). I didn't want to start that discussion either, I was just saying I don't think "smart" is something dontnod particularly wanted people to associate with Chloe. The idea definitely is that she could apply herself and not be a high-school dropout if things were different for her, and vaguely that she does apparently have some science smarts. But not that she would be a very cerebral and thought-ful type by any stretch.
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>>127119287
>The David versus Jefferson thing is literally a celebratory orgy of that ridiculously shallow death-fixation.
I really can't believe how hokey that was. And it was right at the climax of Jefferson's whole plotline, when we're supposed to be getting into 'shit gets real' territory with everything else. Great tone setter.
The whole episode was just impossible to take seriously.
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>>127119582
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorfHadTheFlu
I like to think that somehow this trope was in effect. That scene was literally unbelievable. I realise that serving in the US Army doesn't automatically make David a Navy Seal. But I can not believe for even a minute that he would repeatedly perform THAT badly in a fight against an untrained middle-aged art teacher. And a little throw-away line that he wasn't a very good soldier or something to that effect doesn't make it any better. There is no way he could have survived overseas if he was really that incompetent.
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>>127119582
>David! Kick the table!!!!!
>SIR, YES SIR!
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I think the devs must have just been getting a bit loopy by the end of it for the episode to turn out the way it did. They've talked about how hard episodic development is, maybe the stress finally got to them.
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>>127120153
They should have written a coherent story from the very start, goddammit!
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>>127120320

Even if you know where you're going, if you fumble the execution right as it's all supposed to come together, you'll wind up with a piece of shit.

But yeah, whatever happened, someone really fucked up.
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>>127120080
I-I like their hats.
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>>127120153
I think it was more that they were stubborn and unwilling the to change, despite all the people that were saying they would NOT like those endings. They had the story's start and ending planned out and then filled in the gaps.
In that macro scheme of things it may work...but once you go into any bit of detail and examine how Max's power actually works, her character's feelings, etc, the whole thing becomes deeply flawed. I cannot blame fans that told Dontnod to fuck off with their nonsensical binary "Pick your tragedy" and instead created their own endings and, did so much better.
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>>127120080
Not sure about the right, but isn't the one on the left wearing a VDV beret? Get him out of the water and toss his ass out of a plane!

>>127120504
The whole thing is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSAEhGnRg5Y
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Hugsies
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>>127118382
Yup. And it wouldn't even have been all too difficult to make our choices count with many of these characters instead of just having them die at some point somehow somewhere. Victoria could have helped us for a change in the Dark Room, Max's promise of "we will both make it out of here, trust me, noone's going to die tonight" actually holding true and them being more supportive of each other actually leading somewhere. Maybe make it so that we can set Victoria free who then goes to Nathan and (depending on playthrough etc.) he then comes to try and stop Jefferson.
They can then still have Nathan die, but in front of us, giving us his apology in dying trying to actually prevent what evil he has helped come to be. That'd be using his death to show his remorse and guilt is ultimate and genuine, not just a way to as you probably rightly assume write people out of the picture and consequence.
"Death" can be used as a device in the context of a story to help tell the story, but death as the story itself or the primary pivot, conceptual or emotional, is just lame.

>>127119582
I really think they did find it funny playing with him dying in so many and so ridiculous ways in that scene. And they thought people would find it funny too. Well, it kind of is, but it's funnier that this scene is parodical for how the whole story gets reduced to something equally ridiculous in the end, where the characters ultimately also merely represent "so many and so ridiculous ways to die".
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>>127120567

I feel like even on a macro scale it doesn't make any damn sense.
Sacrifice Chloe or sacrifice Arcadia Bay? What does that even mean? What does that even say about anything? People read into it every which way, but it's still just an ambiguous mess of a conclusion. Hell, the 'every which way'ness of it all just goes to show.
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>>127120567
The conclusion is
"It might have been good"
if they had not started off with trying hard to deliver a senseless dark tragedy in the end and then had filled in the story with well-structured storytelling based on characters that have consistent motivations and backstories, an environment that makes sense and a time travel logic that can be made to work. Oh, and if they had concentrated on less disparate story elements that cannot be tied together no matter what (indian magic, mystery butterflies, ghost does, twin peaks elements, biblical omen, family drama, highschool drama).
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>>127120778
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>>127120994
>Max's promise of "we will both make it out of here, trust me, noone's going to die tonight" actually holding true and them being more supportive of each other actually leading somewhere.

This is what I thought would happen, making her off screen death feel so fucking cheap and stupid.
But it also would have been a really intense bonding moment for players who weren't believed by Victoria and didn't get that reconciliation at the party. And a Victoria who refuses to believe Nathan's capable of wrong is more dangerous to Jefferson and actually worthy of kidnapping than a Victoria who's been turned against him like everyone else.
This was just so badly handled compared to how it could have been done, it's insulting.

As far as Nathan goes, I actually feel like if he dies it makes sense for it to be off screen since he's a pretty pitiful character at his core and that suits him. A heroic death would just feel wrong to me. But it's down to the nitty gritty of the execution really, so there's a million ways it could work. Unfortunately, as with the above Victoria example, Dontnod excel at honing in on the few ways it absolutely won't. Like how Warren's "rescue" of Max and Chloe from him in ep 4 is actually played really interestingly and doesn't triumphant at all, despite still accomplishing that superficial goal of getting Nathan out of their hair.
But there 100% should have been playthroughs where he was alive. And, when dead, maybe potential to bring him back, or at least interact with him in the past or talk about him in a way that actually emotionally acknowledges the new information given in the voicemail instead of just awkwardly regurgitating simplified exposition over and over again.
And the circumstances and reasons for his death were just way too murky. "I killed him tonight because he fucked up with Rachel 6 months ago" fucking what? Again, the circumstances of his death could have beautifully tied into the Victoria situation.
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Can we all agree that the plot line isn't the best, but the immersion, sound track, art style and voice acting along with the plot is what makes LiS so great?
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>>127121726
Nathan was squandered. The reason for kill him, as you said, was stupid.
Now if he walked into the Dark Room during the storm and saw Victoria and Jefferson. He would have went ballistic and fought to save her. Which would then end in Jefferson killing him.
The story really could have been wrapped up, without the forced tragedy, by having Max go back to the bathroom in Episode 1 and talking to Nathan. Using all the knowledge she gained and setting the week on a different course where nobody else has to die. Then using the rest of the week, after explaining to Chloe, warning people about the storm.
The story still has sadness in it (Because of what happened to Rachel, Kate, and William. Plus we know how pained some characters are), but you used stuff you learned and are able to save a good portion of them in some way.
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>>127121726
This is pretty well expressed. Do you guys visit literary analysis classes or what?
>>127122186
> the plot line isn't the best
Dmaning with faint praise, and yes all the rest (all that remains) salvages the boat.

Although I still haven't gotten over the passage to dark room and how do you get a bunker underneath a barn that has obviously been sitting there since the mid-40s in the middle of a forest?
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>>127122596

Didn't they build the bunker in the barn recently. You know, funded by Nathan for Jefferson
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>>127122596
Huh. Good question.
Maybe you lift the barn up or disassemble it into walls and a ceiling, and move it. Dig out the ground and build/ install the bunker. Then reassemble the barn over it.
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>>127121726
>As far as Nathan goes, I actually feel like if he dies it makes sense for it to be off screen since he's a pretty pitiful character at his core and that suits him.
I agree. I actually like how they handled Nathan here to some extent. He has been doing this shit together with Jefferson for months now. Rachel has died at his hands. He knows it's all very wrong and the guilt destroys him psychologically. So what "excuse" could he ever have, what reason to go on with it - do Kate, potentially even plan Victoria?
Because he's a coward; he's more afraid of what will happen when the world knows about his morbid side than he is of death. He rather holds on to convincing himself that what he has with Jefferson is good for him and that dying when Jefferson wants him to is "ok" than dealing with the world knowing that he is, in fact, an "evil Prescott". That it's all true, that he is a bad guy, that there are corpses in his basement. He refuses to accept that, to deal with that. This could also be a reason why he doesn't warn Victoria but Max. Max already thinks he's bad. Seeing Victoria recognizing that side in him would crush him because he'd realize even the one person that stood by him only did because she didn't really know him.

So this cowardly voice message, him just accepting his death in shame and guilt and defeat, is somehow fitting, maybe more so than the "revolt" against Jefferson that I was suggesting there would be. But it is also more tragic, whereas the revolt would be optimistic. Dying in shame and guilt over the "bad side" of yourself - "giving up on yourself" - versus dying in realizing the "good side" of yourself - "fighting your demons".
And I mean, the call was a little revolt. There was still fight in him, so I'd rather they'd gone all the way with that and not some wacky "he did it all but didn't really want to and he tried to help but he didn't really want to help".
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>>127122213
That would have been a great idea. One would have had to double (triple?) the budget and succeed in managing higher-dimensional space of "relative character beliefs" convincingly. Then one would have hundreds of outcomes, some objectively better than others.

That game still remains to be made. Maybe in 10 years time.
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>>127122942
I don't think it would be much more. You have all the assets already made. It would just be more voice acting and creating more conversations. The most ambitious part would be making the epilogue scenes and actually making them feel like a conclusion by showing what character do.
The only reason it wouldn't be possible would be if you felt like you had to make people cry over death. Which is one of the cheapest ways to write a story.
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>>127122186
This is obvious and has been established countless times. The implication of us just being here means the game is overall pretty intriguing and has a lot of positives.

>>127122873
To add, I think the fact that the "community" is still torn, or at least uncertain, about what to really make of Nathan further attests to the wackiness of what they ended up doind with him.
Even though he is practically the "root of all that is bad" in the game (Chloe's death, Kate's death, Rachel's death), people have sympathy and don't fully put him with Jefferson. But really with how the game goes he doesn't deserve this uncertainty about where he falls. He might have a "good side", but not only did his "bad side" prevail throughout, ultimately it "kills" his good side in just accepting death without a fight. Dead defeated Nathan is just evil Nathan thought to the end. Dying in fighting against Jefferson would have established that ultimately he was a good guy, just that he had a bad side which the circumstances helped prevail over his good side until they didn't.
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>>127122746
That's the thing; the barn has been sitting there for some time but the bunker is recent. It's obviously not a leftover from efforts to prevent a Japanese invasion. If this were Europe, you could somewhat convincingly argue that this is a bunker of WWII, but in this case it's James Bond villain lair stuff.

I was initially thinking Rachel is just being kept underneath the gas station or somewhere nearby in a "bad for her" situation. We have had that kind of event around here (kids died of hunger in their dungeon though because the police didn't put two and two together even though they visited the perp's house)
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>>127123435

So, the bunker is built underground a old barn, and.. What's your point?
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>>127123709
Nothing, it's just another magic plot hole.

Maybe Jefferson has magic barn rebuild powers, who knows?
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>>127123923

Oh you are saying, you can't build the bunker without tearing the barn down first?
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>>127124062
Exactly.
Unless the company that built the bunker was also doing work for the Disneyworld and skilled in recreating authentic atmosphere.
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Well, I gotta do some work.
I have to say this was excellent reading overall.
Thanks and have a cool 2016 (odds aren't good though, be ready for a rough ride)
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>>127124156

Oh well, video game logic.
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>A second season would work but the story of Max and Chloe is told, their character arcs are closed. Whichever choice the player made, Max reached the end of her coming-of-age story, now she has grown up. She made her pivotal decision and the player helped to create her character, her feelings, her relationships... we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe
>A second season would work but the story of Max and Chloe is told, their character arcs are closed. Whichever choice the player made, Max reached the end of her coming-of-age story, now she has grown up. She made her pivotal decision and the player helped to create her character, her feelings, her relationships... we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe

>all this fanart, fanfic, that just flood every single LiS threads

DEAD.
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>>127124439
Hope you have a good year, anon!

>>127125328
I want to believe Dontnod will change their mind seeing how much the community loves the season 1 cast, but I'm not holding my breath.
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>>127122873
>This could also be a reason why he doesn't warn Victoria but Max. Max already thinks he's bad. Seeing Victoria recognizing that side in him would crush him because he'd realize even the one person that stood by him only did because she didn't really know him.
I just died a little inside.

The rest of your posts I don't 100% agree with, but I don't entirely disagree. I think the uncertainty is sort of a good thing in this case - it's not black and white like with Jefferson, there's shades of grey in Nathan where we can see his actions are objectively terrible, but can also see what drove him. We can put ourselves in his place and ask if we'd have been able to do it differently, we can question where the point of no return was and how to prevent it from being crossed.
And I think a dichotomy fate that you're suggesting would have been a really cool storytelling device to show the extremes a single human being is capable of, and what drives people either way (eg, getting him both expelled and beaten up has him rejected on all fronts, he feels helpless and lets himself get killed. Blaming Jefferson and sparing Nathan's face give him the breathing room to question Jefferson's infallibility).

>he's more afraid of what will happen when the world knows about his morbid side than he is of death.
I'm not sure about this. Nathan seems pretty set in his belief that everyone hates him, which is basically true, and he's not exactly trying to prove anyone wrong. His actions are highly aggressive and unsociable and drive people well away. It's rooted in fear that his peers are a threat to him, not a fear of their judgement of him.

1/2
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>>127125520

He also seems very set in his belief that Jefferson is the only person he can trust and should care about. Victoria seems to be the only other factor in play there. So again, I can't see him being shamed to death by his peers with those are the only opinions that matter.
I think he's just terrified of disappointing Jefferson. So when Nathan reaches a point where he can't go along with it anymore, he just allows himself to die because Jefferson was the last survival mechanism he had left. Fighting it would be like shutting off your oxygen to avoid inhaling a deadly toxin, you're just fucked either way, why bother?

But one problem in the ambiguity he's left with is the question of "How much did he do? How much did he understand? How did he feel about it all? How did Victoria's potential kidnapping factor into it?"
These questions simply NEED answers, because any discussion of his character has giant gaping holes in them when they're unanswered. A defined character is capable of many shades of grey and controversy in interpretation, but the level of Nathan's culpability in this completely changes the entire context of his character. That's not a reasonable ambiguity.
Coming up with multiple possible answers to these questions is all well and good during the game, but by the finale it's time to start offering some answers. The voicemail didn't really tell us much that couldn't already be extrapolated. Episode 4 already shifted Nathan from 'scary shithead' to 'scary troubled shithead' to 'pitiful headcase shithead,' and the voicemail pretty much just turned the latter up to 11.

2/2
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>>127125328
>we like to think that we did our job as storytellers
No. You created a story, got everyone enamored with it and the characters, then just stopped telling it. There was no ending and you flatout told us to use our imaginations.
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>>127125897

Fanfics man. That will fill the hole.

Have there ever been a community fanfic? Like, people pool together to agree on some plotlines, then it becomes canon.
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>>127126054
Oh I know. I've been a madman and reading everything I come across.
But I wouldn't need to if I felt satisfied with the end of the game and didn't have a desire to know what happens after Max and Chloe drive away.
And there's a group fic in the OP, but I don't think anyone does anything anymore. And it wasn't a postgame thing anyway.
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>>127123224
>Even though he is practically the "root of all that is bad" in the game (Chloe's death, Kate's death, Rachel's death)
He's the catalyst, not the root. Jefferson is the root of all of it. But for him, Nathan would just be a rich douchebag with issues - no one's favourite guy, but not particularly dangerous.

But while Nathan is the catalyst for all this shit, he's also the reason it's all being brought to the surface. Because unlike Jefferson, he can't hide what he's done, because he knows on some level that it's really fucked up and awful, and he reeks of it. But for him, Jefferson would have gone on doing this for god knows how long.
That's not a point in Nathan's favour since he was trying to keep a lid on it, but it's just not a point against him.

I actually think him actively fighting against Jefferson at the end would be a mark against him. The fact that he was so fucking broken that he couldn't see any way out of such a pathetic, apologetic death (when really there were so many things he could have easily done) is the biggest hint as to how malleable he was by the end of it all. Someone that weak can't really be expected to bear the weight of what was happening.
But if he had managed to have enough backbone to fight and die for a cause at the 11th hour, why the fuck didn't he have it back when it was Rachel or Kate under the spotlight? Springing into action only when it comes to saving his BFF Vic doesn't redeem him, it just makes him selfish and opportunistic. Even if he was talked into fighting by/for Max, that's still giving him too much credit.
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>>127126054
>Fanfics man. That will fill the hole.
The problem is, they all stem from certain, competing interpretations of essentially incomplete material, rather than a single cohesive truth that the writer is supposed to provide. You can take a handful of wildly different interpretations of a single character with none of them able to be called OOC. Nevermind a whole bunch of characters plus the plotlines.

It'll never be complete, anons. Read all the fanfic you want. We'll be hollow forever.
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>>127126679

Then make your own fanfic, and call it canon. Fuck the writer.

>>127126213
>group fic

Where??
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>>127126428
>Because unlike Jefferson, he can't hide what he's done, because he knows on some level that it's really fucked up and awful

Well, yeah, but also Jefferson hasn't actually done anything really fucked up and awful at that point. I mean, sure, it is pretty crazy and creepy to drug girls to take photos of them, but unlike Nathan, he never killed anyone. I always found it weird how Dontnod wrote Jefferson to be some insane serial killer, yet his body count prior to the reveal at the end of ep 4 was literally 0 and he also considered Rachel's death a major fuck-up on Nathan's end..
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>>127127184

Nathan killing someone by accident while in a position Jefferson put them in is hardly a point in Jefferson's favour.
Jefferson is a psychopath through and through. He initiated all of this, he enjoys it, he continues after it's caused a death, and goes on to cause many more, shows no intention of stopping despite it all, and it's entirely possible that he's killed previous victims before he settled down in Arcadia Bay - he definitely didn't fill all those folders in two years.
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I don't get why you people like to complain so much.
Yes, it would've been great to have more endings and feel like all our decisions mattered but I'm not mad at it.
Maybe I'm just to new to these kind of games to ever notice huge flaws.
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>>127125520
>and he's not exactly trying to prove anyone wrong
Indeed, but I do think to see that he is struggling with himself. He's doing the bad shit that he knows is bad and feels terrible about it, is sorry, etc. but is also convincing himself he never hurt or wanted to hurt anybody, that he is not bad. His obsession with the morbid is definitely his own and it seems to me that there's a side to him that hates that about himself and doesn't want to be that guy. And so as long as the world doesn't know he doesn't have to acknowledge that fully himself. When he gets accused in Well's office, in the Diner or beaten up by Warren he is trying pretty hard to fight their ideas of him being this guy that goes around drugging and raping girls or that he'd want that. "I dosed her?!", "Are you really saying that right now?!", "I didn't hurt Kate!", and so on.
>>127125612
>I can't see him being shamed to death by his peers
I meant ashamed of himself primarily though. But yeah, I'm maybe going too hard into that internal battle thing when really there's more other things like Jefferson as a father figure and stuff too that makes him what he is and do what he does.

We definitely agree that whatever the interpretation, intended or not, we should have gotten some real, direct answers.

>>127126428
Yeah, "root" is not all that accurate. I marked that more to say this is what he should be in people's heads, i. e. at least as "bad" as Jefferson.

>fighting against Jefferson at the end would be a mark against him
I mentioned that in the first part in that other comment. How this could be an excuse for Nathan. But (and I know this is not a great explanation) I mentioned that "circumstances helped his bad side prevail until they didn't" thing, where Max and Victoria being at risk and Jefferson actually killing people with intend could tip Nathan.
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>>127127504

There is more complaining about the writing and plot than the choices mattering. And any kind of fiction narrative has those elements.
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>>127121049
I mean I've only played this game once and even though it impacted me a lot I haven't really dissected it like most of you probably have.

But to me, that choice was about whether Max was ready to grow up or not. She's on the cusp of adulthood and she has to choose between her selfish desire to save Chloe (a very immature character that, to her, represents the past and her childhood) and saving the town.

It's about realizing what the mature decision would be and what the immature (selfish) decision would be.
You get to choose if Max is ready to look forward or keep looking back (and keep endlessly refusing to give in to the reality of the situation that Chloe MUST die).
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>>127127504

As the anon above me already said, people are primarely mad pabout the writing and the terrible conclusion to the story. We've jokingly called this stupid "sacrifice Chloe to save AB from magic tornado" ending ever since episode 1, but no one actually believed they were going with something as predictable and stupid as that. We were wrong.
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>>127128248
>>127128690
Hmm, I guess I overlooked that.
I can't say I cared about having to sacrifice Chloe as she wasn't a very good character imo.
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>>127124156
I thought the bunker had existed for a long time? The article that Chloe reads out from the chest when they enter the barn indicates that the Prescott's were big in the bunker business at least a generation earlier. It's possible the bunker and the bar were originally constructed at the same time, or the original barn was partly/wholey torn down and reconstructed when they decided to put in the bunker.

The impression I got was simply that Sean Prescott paid to have it renovated at Nathan's request once Jefferson moved into town. You could certainly do that kind of work without having to tear down the barn.
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>>127128673
But it's the exact opposite. Saving Arcadia Bay is the immature, childish ending. The adult thing to do is to realize that you are not responsible for the happiness of every single person around you. All you can do is fight for yourself and the person you love and put them before anyone else.

being utalitarian is ultimately a very childish mindset that only edgy teenagers or manchildren have. As an adults, once you get married or have children, you will understand just how ridiculous the idea is to sacrifice the person you love the most for the sake of others.

>You get to choose if Max is ready to look forward or keep looking back

Exactly. The endings incorporate this quite literally. In the bay ending, Max is literally going backward because she is endlessly refusing the reality of the situation. In the bae ending, she is moving forward and accepts reality.
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>>127128673
Do you not see the issue at all with reducing the deuteragonist to just 'a representation of Max's past'? Or the idea that no matter what the protagonist does, her ultimate goal throughout the game is impossible and she must concede to the universe?

Additionally, how is saving Chloe not 'looking forward'? The two of them drive off together into the life they'll carve out for themselves. It's selfish, but it's not immature. Both endings are their own way of Max growing up.
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>>127129196
Gotta be honest I really don't get how someone could place their relationship over thousands of other relationships and feel like they reached a mature conclusion but maybe I'm just an edgy teenager?(buzzword)

But if we take the laws of the game's universe into consideration, doesn't it make sense that if the storm didn't take Chloe that time there would just be another one? The game tells you that death is following her so I don't understand how it'd stop. To shun the reality of a situation is what feels immature to me. Like refusing to accept that you don't always get to have your cake and eat it too.
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>>127129456
I agree that both endings are written in a way that it's easy to interpret all this coming of age bullshit onto either one, but no matter how you interpret the endings, it is impossible to call the bay ending the one where Max moves forward, when she LITERALLY moves backwards and runs away from her choices. That part is not up for interpretation, that is what she factually does in the bay ending.
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Can we just put our shoes in Max situation and think of what would we do.

Should we save our dearest friend who means everything to us, or save a bunch of acquaintances and other people?
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>>127128849
Ah that's possible.
I wasn't checking the details of the old writings too much I was really stressed out at this point because there was no way ending up in a mystery barn that is apparently abandoned but where a car was parked quite recently would not mean Really Bad Things will be going down soon. Plus Chloe was getting on my wick because as usual she's playing Captain Kirk while doing nothing at all (there is also a continuity error if you perform the machine trick in a certain way with some back and forth but I forgot what it was).
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>>127129196
>endlessly refusing the reality of the situation

Ehh honest question why do you say that
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>>127129563
>I really don't get how someone could place their relationship over thousands of other relationships and feel like they reached a mature conclusion
It is not a sign of immaturity to value someone close to you over a larger number of people. It's just human nature.

>if we take the laws of the game's universe into consideration, doesn't it make sense that if the storm didn't take Chloe that time there would just be another one?
No. You completely misunderstand the game's logic (as flawed as the logic is). The storm was triggered by Max's time manipulation. As long as she refrains from using her powers from now on, there will be no further storms. And Chloe being 'destined' to die is pure conjecture. She has two unavoidable death scenes throughout the game. Both being shot by humans. That isn't the retribution of the universe, that's the antagonists being antagonists.
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>>127129796
We have been there.
We don't even know we will save anybody.
Unless we absolutely, totally believe in what a nerd who is still full of badly digested SciFi stuff says.
NOPE!
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>>127129563
Man, you really seem a bit stupid. The universe never summoned a tornado in order to kill Chloe. The tornado happened because of Max's time fuckery, which started with her saving Chloe.
The devs even said they never intended the ending to have a final destination vibe to it. They specifically said they intended Chloe and Max to have a clean slate after the tornado hits.

If anything, the rules of the LiS universe would dictate the tornado appears in the Bay ending because no matter what Max does, the timeline will never go back to how it was originally supposed to be.
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>>127129196
>But it's the exact opposite. Saving Arcadia Bay is the immature, childish ending.
I think saying Chloe is the immature childish ending.

We've been back and forth over this in these threads again and again. I think this is one of those issues where it just comes down to our own interpretations. It's just a point that many of us feel too strongly about.

Speaking of which ... :^)

>>127129563
>Gotta be honest I really don't get how someone could place their relationship over thousands of other relationships and feel like they reached a mature conclusion but maybe I'm just an edgy teenager?(buzzword)
Pretty much this, to be honest.

But the thing that really sticks with me is that sacrificing herself for the good of all those innocents around her is the choice that *Chloe* makes. Issues like Max not really knowing whether the storm will vanish if she sacrifices Chloe aside, why should *she* have the final say in Chloe's fate when Chloe has already resigned herself to be sacrificed for the greater good? "Max, I really don't want my family/friends to die, please go back and sacrifice me" ... "nah, fuck that Chloe, it's not what *I* want".

If anything, the cut line where Chloe says something like "You have to choose, Max ... but, really, you're gonna choose me, right?" would fix this ... but it would sorta cheapen it at the same time.

We spend a lot of time debating about which of the options is more "selfish" or "mature" for Max to make, but at the end of the day, that we wholly disregard Chloe in this case - when it's basically the first REAL unselfish act she makes in the entire game - seems a bit cheap.
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>>127128673

But it works or doesn't work either way.
At it's core, the literal act of sacrificing one or the other doesn't have anything to do with anything. If Max suddenly had to fly to the moon, you could read into how it somehow represents adulthood in some bullshit way, but that doesn't mean the literal act makes any fucking sense.
That was supposed to be a batshit example I puked out off the top of my head, but To The Moon actually carries off exactly that in a way that makes perfect sense. Actual TTM spoilers ahead:The act of flying to the moon makes sense on both a literal level, since the main character had promised to meet his wife there after they pass on, and on a metaphorical level, since in death he's moving on to a 'new world'.
The desire to literally fly to the moon to keep a silly childhood promise is especially moving in that it's not only a grand gesture, but his wife was autistic, and a big part of their relationship and his own growth was him coming to understand how she saw the world and to appreciate her. And interpreting what sounds like a sappy metaphorical promise as a literal space expedition is him going all the damn way to acknowledge her.
There are multiple levels of meaning all cohesively at play here, so it all feels fitting, and nothing's out of place.


But there is no justification for the choice in LiS on a literal level. This is not simply a logical climax of a general coming of age story, or of the specific threads laid out in the game.
If anything, such a dichotomy of "Chloe vs the world" flies in the face of any possible growing the fuck up they might have done. Chloe's whole fucking problem is thinking the universe is against her - this is acknowledged as irrational by both Max and Chloe herself, she just does it because she doesn't know any other way to cope with her grief yet. But after all that, instead of learning those healthy ways to cope, the climax simply tells her and Max that she was right.
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>>127129796

>Best friend dies
>Probably 30 people at the funeral, ~100 more will truly miss them
>Letting dozens of other people die
>Hundreds of people going to funerals, thousands more missing them

It's about the numbers
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>>127129970
Would work if there was logic to her time-travelling powers ... but there is NOT.

I'm still with the idea "Kate's God does a Jehova on AB because bullying needs to be punished"
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>>127129796
I'd save Chloe without a doubt. Even if it means every person in Arcadia Dies (Which I know isn't the case and that there will be survivors).
To everyone else it's just a storm that happened after a week of freak weather. People will have had the chance to save themselves by running by seeking shelter- they are responsible for their own fates.
But if I let Chloe die, I'm the only one that's responsible for it because nobody has any choice but me. I let it happen and let my friend, the only one who knows what I've been through and that she's doing something very heroic, die. And die without knowing how much people loved her, without knowing what happened to Rachel, or anything she learned during that week. Then I'm left solely to carry the burden of having a power that clearly cannot be used without horrific things coming about and likely with a case of PTSD.
Plus I would have to watch Joyce and David break and the town continue as it has been.

Save Chloe and thus save myself.
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>>127129796
>the trolly problem
No thanks, I've graduated from high school.
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>>127129917
Max without knowledge of the future always saves the girl in the bathroom, without even knowing it is Chloe. It's not a conscious action born out of regret. She doesn't know it's Chloe, she doesn't go back in time on purpose to change the past so Chloe lives, she simply deciodes to save a life when she has the power to do so.

If she decides to sacrifice Chloe however, she goes back in time on purpose to change what already happened, because she can't deal with the consequences. She is unable to move forward and accept reality, so she has to change it.
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>>127130262
>The universe never summoned a tornado in order to kill Chloe.
>The devs even said they never intended the ending to have a final destination vibe to it.

Then why the fuck does Chloe keep dying all week?

It's not anon that's stupid, it's the devs. The story makes no sense however you slice it, pick your poison I say.

Also, source on the Final Destination comments? Curious.
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>>127130262
>The tornado happened because of Max's time fuckery, which started with her saving Chloe.
That's what dontnod INTENDED but the execution is so fucktarded that in the end the explanation doesn't make any sense in any meaningful causal framework that you could put on "timetravel" (which is hard to do at the best of times because of course no-one knows what "travelling backwards in time" actually means except that it would blow the lid off any limits to human power)
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>>127130452
I'm honestly glad people like you exist. I sincerely hope some day you can kill yourself in order to save me from a bullet or something :) But I would sacrifice you, your home town and everyone you love in a fraction of a second if it meant to save a person close to me.
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YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ME MAD ALL OVER AGAIN, STOP IT!

(Not capsanon, just angry, don't get excited).
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>>127130807
>Then why the fuck does Chloe keep dying all week?

She doesn't? Max has more potential deaths than Chloe. Chloe has 2 unavoidable deaths, one of which is the responsibility of the fucking villain of the story.
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>>127131104

That's just more dev retardation, you know they meant something by it when they have their fucking '3 bullets for 3, I mean 4, I mean 6, I mean 2 optional 5 non optional, I mean 7.42 to the 7th power divided by pi deaths' OMGSODEEP symbolism.
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>>127130807
>Also, source on the Final Destination comments? Curious.

Twitter. Michel wrote Max and Chloe have a clean slate and that they never intended it to be ambiguous.
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>>127129196
>Exactly. The endings incorporate this quite literally. In the bay ending, Max is literally going backward because she is endlessly refusing the reality of the situation. In the bae ending, she is moving forward and accepts reality.
You have it literally backwards. I mean, I'm willing to settle with the idea that it's possible to interpret it both ways ... but really, no, it makes much more sense that you've got it exactly backwards.

If you chose Bay, she's moving forward with her new life with new friends, her career in photography, and so forth.

If you chose Bae, she's throwing away her new relationships, throwing a big spanner in the works of her education, and jumping back to her comfy childhood friendship.

Chloe is always associated with Max's past. They never discuss a future together. Chloe predominantly talks about the future with regards to Rachel. Max predominantly talks about the future with regards to her photography. The few lines thrown around about how the two girls are "never leaving [each other]" are proven to be childish sentiments over and over, after Max and Chloe both "leave" each other multiple times in the game (Max jumping timelines leaving Chloe's behind, deaths, etc).

Further, the argument you've made doesn't even make sense ...

>Max is literally going backward because she is endlessly refusing the reality of the situation.
What? No, again, the opposite. The "reality of the situation" is that Chloe is shot in the bathroom by Nathan. Accepting the "reality of the situation" is accepting that Chloe dies here. That's the point. You're arguing that Max stepping in, messing around with supernatural powers to save Chloe, then letting the town be destroyed (presumably) as a result ... is accepting the reality of the situation? What? In what universe does "accepting the reality of the situation" equal "literally mess with the fabric of space-time to reach a specific outcome"?
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>>127130910
Here you go

>>127130956
It will go on forever. dontnod have created a memetic mindcancer, possibly the first in history.
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>>127131324

But that's just in regards to the end, not her deaths during the game itself which very much had a final destination vibe.
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>>127131375

CAN'T YOU SEE WE'RE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS?! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
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>>127131292
Ehh, I think people are being overly picky about this.

Chloe has three proper (potential) "death" scenes. The bathroom, the alternate-timeline euthanasia, and getting shot by Jefferson in the junkyard. These are the three important deaths (either in terms of story, or character development), and they're the three that aren't just instant-rewind puzzle fodder.

It's pretty open and shut, I don't know people feel the need to nitpick about it so much. *shrug*
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>>127131292
There are 3 major deaths represented by her 3 bullets. Nathan in the bathroom, Jefferson in the junkyard and when you decide to euthanize her in the AU. 1 potential death on the train tracks, 1 potentially deadly injury at the junkyard, both of those happen early on in episode 2. That's literally it. If the universe is actively trying to get Chloe killed, it's doing a really poor job at it.
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>>127131750
>it's my opinion and makes enough sense to me therefore it's fact
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>>127131830

And if the devs are trying to suggest or not suggest that the universe is or is not trying to kill her, they're doing a piss poor job at that.
You don't just randomly give your deuteragonist a whole bunch of deaths just because the episode is getting a bit boring. You also don't give them such hald-hearted and unrealted deaths if you're trying to suggest a bigger meaning behind it.
Basically, nothing works.
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>>127129970
>It is not a sign of immaturity to value someone close to you over a larger number of people. It's just human nature.
It's not a sign of immaturity just to value someone close over a larger amount of people, but it's immature to actually make that choice. You assume the world revolves around you.

And as far as human nature goes, I'd say that as humans we're privileged with the ability to make a rational choice. We aren't animals. We don't have to go with our first impulse.
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>>127131583
I ... I can't let go!!
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>>127131401
>her deaths during the game itself which very much had a final destination vibe.

Not really. Only the train tracks situation had a final destination vibe, but you are also ignoring the fact that this is a video game and Chloe, being the most important person to Max, is put in danger simply so Max has something to do. If anything, it seems like Max is the one attracting this bad shit. After all, nothing deadly ever happens to Chloe when Max isn't around.
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>>127131831
Great rebuttal.

Where did I argue that it's fact? I'm willing to discuss the point, or settle on it just being different interpretations, like I said. But I feel like it's just so incredibly one sided - the one I presented just feels to be clearly the more consistent interpretation in my mind.
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>>127130779


What has this got to do with Max growing up or not.
Don't you ever have an action that you did in your life that you regretted, and wished you haven't done?
If anything, Max should mature from the Bay ending, since by sacrificing her best friend, she saves the lives of hundred of individuals who are all very real, have their own stories. Max understands the value of these people, and by casting aside her own interest, a greater good is made.

But fuck, why do I care? I saved Chloe. I'm selfish and I know it. I am not brave enough to be able to give up someone I cherish for people I don't know well. And if I'm not matured, then fuck me.
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>>127131960

Why is saving more lives automatically the more rational choice? Losing a few hundred hicks won't do the country any harm. And what if it turns out they were all Hitlers-to-be?
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>>127132072
>but you are also ignoring the fact that this is a video game and Chloe, being the most important person to Max, is put in danger simply so Max has something to do.

I'm not ignoring it. It's just incredibly shitty, lazy writing if that's all there is to it, since few of Chloe's deaths have anything to do with the actual plot related danger she's being put in.
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>>127132098
The whole "Give up your happiness and you're more mature" is absolutely fucking retarded. It doesn't make you mature. If anything it makes you less mature since you don't want to hurt anyone so you just hurt yourself instead because you can't deal with accepting the consequences of your actions. It makes a bitch that's willing to get stepped on by others, or in this case by some cosmic force that decided to fuck with you and taunt you. Nobody in their right mind could expect someone to give up a loved one in that situation.
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>>127132090
>like I said
lolwut

>But I feel like it's just so incredibly one sided
Yeah real open to discussion.

And wtf is there to discuss? You know the information. You've made up your mind. Bully for you. Still subjective.
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>>127131958
Again, the game starts with Max preventing Chloe's first potential death.. Jefferson kills her in episode 4 which has nothing to do with the universe but everything to do with him being the antagonist, giving Max a motivation to force her to do shit. Other than that, there are only 2 dangerous situations in episode 2. According to your logic, Max is also destined to die and apparently the universe REALLY wants to see Jefferson kill David.
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>>127132098
>What has this got to do with Max growing up or not.
Because she is literally bending the fabric of time to fix a mistake she made because she lacked vital information. IE, the exact opposite of what most Bayfags think they're doing when they go back and 'stop Max from ever meddling with time'.

>Don't you ever have an action that you did in your life that you regretted, and wished you haven't done?
Yeah, and I grow up and deal with it.

(I'm not a Baefag though, I'm a "Dontnod are shit and can't write"fag. Both endings suck donkey balls).
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>>127132246
>since few of Chloe's deaths have anything to do with the actual plot related danger she's being put in.

But you are objectively wrong. Nathan shooting Chloe = the core of the entire plot
Jefferson shooting Chloe = major plot related danger

2 dangerous moments in episode 2 and one optional death in episode 4 does not give me any "the universe wants to off her" vibes, especially considering just how many deadly situations Max has to dodge herself.
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>>127132378

No, according to my logic Dontnod are shit writers.

You realise 'muh Chloe deaths' was basically the crux of the 'she has to die' theory, right? This many people being this allegedly misled only for the result of the misunderstanding to come true anyway is just fucking chaos.
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>>127132640
>>127132378

If you're just going to say the exact same thing twice, save us all some time and just say 'see xpost'
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>>127131960
The first impulse "in-story" here is...
> believe in Warren's disjointed nerd logic
> while any logic has gone out the window considering your experience during the week

NOPE
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Hope this general dies soon and you all die with it desu
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>>127132861

Just go save a lesbian, it'll kill us all and give us sweet relief.
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>>127132692
>You realise 'muh Chloe deaths' was basically the crux of the 'she has to die' theory, right?

No, it was more a tacked on line by Chloe. At the end, they just threw everything into the mix, but if Chloe's death was the key factor, she could have just killed herself on that cliff. There was no need for Max to go back in time otherwise. The key to the theory to prevent the tornado was Max going back in time to stop herself from messing with time.
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>>127132958
Kate stop it
We already saved you using bullet time powers and that did not give rise to a minor earthquake.
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>>127133075
>No, it was more a tacked on line by Chloe.
Are you retarded? People have been saying this shit since episode 2. I don't even know what the rest of your post is talking about, but you've gone off somewhere I wasn't pointing.
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>>127132861
I hope the interior of your anus has a meeting with a cactus
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>>127133110

Well maybe I wanted to die! Now my family won't leave me alone! Or something! Abloogabloogabloo, guilttrip!
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>>127133170
You especially. You are one of the worst memeing retards.
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>>127133161
If Chloe dying (at any point) stops the tornado because muh final destination lesbian has to die

WHY THE FUCK IS THE TORNADO STILL THERE IN THE DINER TIMELINE
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>>127132861

Headacheanon is already dead.
Seriously man, please post if you're okay.
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>it's a gap posting retard shits up the thread episode
baka desu senpaitachi
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>>127132573
So we have Max, staring at the tornado, and suddenly she realises the consequences of her actions, and she knows she can fix them. Why doesn't she? She doesn't need to come to accept the consequence, because she can fix it.

And I don't think Max cares about whether or not she made a mistake. She respected Chloe's wish, maybe even believed that saving people was the priority. So she travelled back, and fixed everything.
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>>127133281
Oh shush, you just need to experience purity of lesbian love to see how unimportant earthly matters really are.
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>>127133347

Not the point. Holy cow.
And I don't know how many times I have to say 'shitty writing' for you to understand there is no neat and tidy answer to this, but I'm not even talking about the tornado logic.
I can't even be fucking assed to explain what I'm talking about. You don't get it. Fine. Go. Live your life, meet a girl, have some kids, be happy, forget all about this stupid goddamn fucking game.
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>>127133161
>People have been saying this shit since episode 2

Yeah, and that theory turned out to be wrong in the end. The train track scene gave off a final destination vibe, which never happened again. Chloe was safe all throughout episode 3 and she only dies in episode 4 due to a major plot point. The main theory Max has is that SHE caused the tornado by fucking with time, not that Chloe has to die to prevent it. Those 2 things just happen to cross over because the moment Chloe got shot was when Max first started fucking with time.
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Really great thread guys. Maybe we can set the bar a little lower next time to avoid disappointment.
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>>127133281
Stop being a baby. You can crash at my house, I will feed you wholesome vegetarian food

>>127132861
Why so cruel? Are you Michel? Do you want us to not expose your mind-poisoning overselling?
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>>127133583
>Yeah, and that theory turned out to be wrong in the end.

>This many people being this allegedly misled only for the result of the misunderstanding to come true anyway is just fucking chaos.

S H I T T Y
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W R I T I N G
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THAT IS ALL
THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG
THERE IS ONLY SHIT
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>>127128817

The problem I have with sacrificing Chloe is that then all of the other choices you made were meaningless. Not that they have no significant meaning, they actually didn't happen in the end reality.

Why give Max time travel powers, when that end is resolved by never using them?
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>>127132369
>lolwut
You missed the part where I said:

"I mean, I'm willing to settle with the idea that it's possible to interpret it both ways ... but really, no, it makes much more sense that you've got it exactly backwards."

Like I said, I'm open to the alternatives. It's just that, so far, the alternatives really don't make much sense to me. Why not actually try to discuss the issue rather than just "lolwut"ing?

>Yeah real open to discussion.
Again, nice rebuttal. I'm asking for further discussion because the issue seems so one sided to me. Rather than further elaborate on the alternative and why it might be more appealing that I think ... the response is to stick your fingers in your ear and argue that I'M the one not willing to discuss things? Err ...

>You've made up your mind.
Nope. I said that the alternative argument simply isn't anywhere near convincing *to me*. I explicitly asked - and am still asking - for further discussion so we can better understand said interpretations.

In what universe does someone saying "I just don't understand this, please explain further" equal "you've made up your mind"? This feels like one of those "it says more about you than it does about me" moments.

>Still subjective.
Uhh, yeah, I explicitly argued that it's subjective. Y-you can read, right?
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>>127133765
Now you're going to start an entire different argument about the endings, you fucking retard.
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>>127133472
>she realises the consequences of her actions
She makes something up in her 18-yo unformed, confused mind!

> and she knows she can fix them
She thinks!

Earlier in the parking lot
> "It's ok, Chloe, I got this"
> Proceed to do random stuff until magically something works
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>>127133472

That's fine, but you can't say Max is moving forward in the bay ending, when she literally does the exact opposite, which was the orignal point of this argument. Bay ending = Max does NOT move forward, she moves back in time to undo every decision she made thus far, thus failing to grow as a character.
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This is getting bad. We need all need to take a breath and relax.
Also post Pricefield.
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>>127133949
Breathing and relaxing is immature and out of character. Fuck off.
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>>127133765

Why make Max a protagonist when literally the only contribution she can make to the game world is fucking nuking it?

Seriously. Bay ending, everything resolves itself thanks to her not trying to resolve it.
All that guilting about not stepping up for Kate? Nope, fuck it, butt out, it'll resolve itself. All those ignored warning signs that made Nathan a psycho? Nope, not your business, just ignore it. All those embarrassing texts from Warren begging to be put out of his misery? Nope, deal with it, don't be rude.
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>>127132692
That some fan theories happened to be correct for the wrong reasons isn't really a point against Dontnod though.
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>>127133610
It was pretty good until eastcoastfags woke up

>>127133583
And then she gets the vision even before doing the frst rewind

GRUESOMELY LACKLUSTER WRITING
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>>127134047
Put a trip on so I can filter you.
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>>127133890
There can never be enough arguments about Life Is Writer's Clusterfuck
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>>127133868
Dd you miss the part where you said
>but really, no,

I'm not reading the rest, or anything else you post.
Constantly responding to short as fuck comments with walls of text, somehow spending the entire character limit dissecting the post's 10-word content content and waffling on about what you never said, doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like a petty child with literally nothing else to occupy his time.
Get a fucking hobby.
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>>127133949

We need capsanon.
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>>127134047
Maybe a hard reset is exactly what that town needed. The signs of deep, underlying corruption underneath the beautiful surface of Arcada Bay were always a big part of the game.
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>>127133949
I have to rip this game out of my head and if I could I would rewind and kick my ass for ever firing up Episode 1.

It cost me weeks and I still feel bad and down.
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>>127134576
And you're going to set him off again.
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>>127134072

The job of a writer is to communicate a story. If it's miscommunicated, the writer has failed.
Whether this is a big enough miscommunication to be considered a failure on their part is subjective, but you know which side I'm on there.
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>>127134576

And they're all going to stay there with nothing to prompt their investigation. As far as we're left to know, everything is just pinned on Jefferson and Nathan being creepy weirdos.
And even if it did come to the surface, it doesn't change the fact that the protagonist had literally no job.
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>>127060195
Christ, it's like every resolution to every problem that has to do with this game is a shitty binary choice without any thought.
>Alice takes a leaf
>Makes Max plant it in a flowerpot
>Waits for Lisa to grow again
That's it, folks, #LoveWins.
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>>127134413
This must be the most autistic thing I ever heard
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>>127134865

You didn't hear it, you read it.
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>>127134805
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>>127134671
>>127134805
Put a trip on.
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In honour of AU Chloe and new year's day, gonna watch Blade Runner
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>all these 'oh god it's this guy again's
>tfw you realise we're pretty much the same dozen people posting the same static opinions 750 times a thread
>and we mostly seem to hate each other

'nice "community" you have here'anon was right...
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>429 posts
>47 posters

KEK, nice "community" you have here
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>>127135308
A good choice anon.
Because there is Rachel in it? (In the novel, she is a nasty bitch like Vicky, kills the only thing that the protagonist really cares about)
Or because of "memories. you are talking about memories"?
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>>127135157
DONTNOD: "My job here is done"
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>>127135502
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>>127135529
it's just been a long fucking time since I last saw it (probably about 5 years at least) and hearing her talk about it made me nostalgic for it
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>>127135502
I need more Maximum Victory pictures.
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>>127135691
Take "director's cut" though.
> No Sam Spade monologue
> No tacky ending

Real 80's - good story, good filming, good sets, take one issue only and stick with it
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>>127074620
>Game
LiS. I literally don't play games.

>Movie
The last "big" movie I think I genuinely liked is Place Beyond the Pines. The rest is just more or less comfortable backround noise. Generally what I consume and enjoy most film-wise is old horror, but as far as I recall there was nothing released in 2015 that even attempted to go there. Wasn't actively looking either though; there's so much good old stuff I don't see a reason to keep up with releases.

>Album/Song
Eh... I'm into ambient/atmospheric stuff, mostly rock variants, and while there is a reasonable amount of stuff released regularly (definitely some in 2015 that I liked), "favourite" is not really a thing there for me because it all just is a big blur of great soundscapes and nothing really stands out (and a lot of the stuff is simply pretty similar). I also do a fair share of my listening through streams and podcasts and so with it being instrumental music not a lot of the band and song names stick.
I guess I can mention these for some that I at least actually remember being released this year:
thewater.bandcamp.com/album/the-place-to-be
wakingaida.bandcamp.com/album/full-heal
welostthesea.bandcamp.com/album/departure-songs
nomads.bandcamp.com/album/when-those-around-us-leave
compassandknife.bandcamp.com/album/the-setting-of-the-old-sun

>Anything else you discovered this year that you liked or that you want to share
I never read fanfiction before but now I regularly check for LiS stuff. The rate at which work is being uploaded/updated is declining and I'm afraid will eventually stagnate, but I'm still grateful for all of the ones I did read. I think most of anyone here is aware of the good pieces though, so not much to share there.

>>127075137
More scarf-sharing!
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>>127135956
I've got the Final Cut - I've heard about Ford's monologues they tacked onto the cinematic release and it sounds awful (and the tacky ending which re-used footage from The Shining)
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>>127136316
Watching it now, Ford has a lot of weird little facial ticks I never noticed that much till now. Him being a replicant is pretty obviously woven into the movie a lot better than I remembered it being.
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>>127136316
Back then it was the only one we got to watch.
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>>127135820
There aren't all too many to be had I'm afraid. Let alone quality ones.
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>>127136725
I'd figure that there would be more due to their friendship in AU.

I'd pay a lot of money for a spinoff chapter where Victoria and Max do cute things in AU before Max meets up with Chloe.
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>>127136664
I got lucky that my first experience of it was the DVD version, as much as I would of loved to of experienced it in a cinema
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>>127136934
Just go watch some of your animes, weeb fucking shit.
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>>127136934
There are definitely a good few out there, dunno, how many do you have? /vg/ doesn't lend itself to dumping, so you will have to go through tumblr/deviantart/google yourself and search the "Chasefield" and "Maximum Victory" tags. Shouldn't be all too bothersome to get most of the good stuff, save for some rare diamonds. Pic related being one of them.
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>>127137296
Fair enough. I get most of my stuff from this thread.
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>>127115795
>Chloe's real deal from the get-go is not to do with her psychological problems and in the end none of those are resolved. Whether she stays alive or dies is the only thing that truly is to her, and that's all that is resolved in the end.

This is just flat out wrong, to the point where it's just trash talking. If there's anything bad about Chloe's character development, it's that there's no subtlety to it at all. It's made so obvious and in your face that it's literally just blurted out in her dialogue in multiple scenes. You'd have to be plugging your ears and deliberately ignoring obvious parts of the game to claim that her whole story is nothing more than living or dying. If that's true than why does anybody even like her, just because she's a qt punk rawk chick with blue hair? That's it? No, that's not it, you like her because she's a way more complex and relatable character than a simple live or die plot device, everyone knows that.

I understand people hate the endings, but I don't understand how people can just nod their heads at obvious falsehoods. You want to criticize how the tornado doesn't make sense, Max is a scapegoat, killing Chloe invalidates everything, etc. . . alright those are all fine because criticizing the endings on logical terms is fine. Just wantonly trashing it by making stuff up, however, amounts to little more than hating. I've been noticing this more and more in these threads recently, I don't know why people are doing this, but it's really gay.
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>>127057981
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!) (thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't doe,or butterfly,bluejay or even shit.
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's Chloe just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it.
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget
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>>127143324
please kill yourself
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>>127135502
>>127136934
>I'd pay a lot of money for a spinoff chapter
Me too, anon. ;;
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>>127109339
>Max reached the end of her coming-of-age story, now she has grown up. She made her pivotal decision and the player helped to create her character, her feelings, her relationships... we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the players to meet their own personal version of Max and Chloe.


>no matter what did you choose, fucking time traveler gurl has hot for blue chick ; ''i want to kiss her again or i regretted not kissing her, platonically or not she ends up into her)

>no matter what did you do sees same nightmare (fantasizing about the blue chick during the goddamn storm)

>no matter what did you choose she says ''CHLOECHLOE I HAVE TO SAVE CHLOE I WISH CHLOE WAS HERE CHLOEE ALSO CHLOE'' in the whole game.

>no matter what did you choose minor characters are end up dying

>no matter what did you choose; if you bitch to other people, you'll end up being friends with them (for example Nathan's warning)

>And.... no matter what did you choose you'll get multiple (2) endings

>implying that choices're matter(!)

yeah yeah we believin u Dontnod.
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>>127143324
gtfo Michel seriously
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>>127143324
You are mistaking me talking to the lack of ultimate meaning in the story for saying her character is hollow. I'm saying the opposite; that they built up these characters with so much hope for intriguing closure and optimism to then go and let their whole purpose in the story culminate in whether they live or die.

We get to know Chloe, understand her problems, see her grow somewhat in the week too. But what choices do we make regarding Chloe, what really happens with her? Does she get over herself, her problems, stop mourning William, stop destroying herself? No. Her problems are not solved. As I said there, we actually add problems in the course of the week. Now Rachel didn't love her. And is dead. She can potentially have killed Frank. Can have on her mind that she bitched about Max taking a call which was of a girl which then suicided. She gets to know that even in a world where her father lives she wasn't happy.

Yeah, there's growth there that does culminate in her making the suggestion to accept her own death for the sake of other people (coming to appreciate Joyce and David yadayada), but ultimately the story does not make a point of healing her; she either dies full stop or lives and that's where her story ends, no mention of the shitstorm that should be her psyche right then.
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>>127143364
Pray, just PRAY for a full do-over.

But
>>127122942
maybe much later.
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>>127111520
> I guess that'll make the warrencucks happy.

It isn't even possible mate. If so, then we should ignore that, poor girl always shows her disgust for him through in the whole game.
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>>127143324
This is right!
But for this to come to fruition, Chloe and Max have to drive outta town (it's like that town in "U-Turn" right, it's only nice on the surface and even so, and you want to get out but you really can't) and go to Seattle/Portland wherever.

Even Kate want to GTFO to Portland...
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>>127143324
>>127144939

Now she has Max in her life.
>Problem solved.
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>>127145175
> warrencucks

who?
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>>127066863
>cunts BTFO

I was about to say hello then i saw this. :(
This really broke my heart
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So we are all very vocal about which girls we like. But what about male characters?
I rarely see them discussed or images of them except in insulting/ trolling manners.
I thought Frank as pretty cool and would have liked to know more about him. It seemed like him and Chloe were somewhat close before started fighting about Rachel.
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>>127145829
>who's warrencuck?

unimportant person or people
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>>127143364
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>>127145175
> disgust

not really disgust though; maybe bewilderment is the right subjective experience descriptor
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>>127146061
I like Hayden. Not too sure what it is but I'd hang with him. Put my arm around his shoulder brotherly. Lean against his side when we sit at a tree lounging. Mock beta phags casually. Not even homo.
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>>127146061
I would say it's the 3k that Chloe owes him that drove the wedge between them rather than Rachel (did Chloe even know they knew each other before she saw the bracelet on his arm?)

He was alright though. should of been able to tell him about Rachel and have him head to the dark room with Pompadou as well as David.
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>>127146061
Guy is just driftwood.
Sure he is keeping pompers but that doesn't make him particularly likeable.
Violent baby, difficult to talk to if you don't have rewind powers.
Will probably die in a police standoff at some point in time.
Pretty sure even Rachel was into him just for the dope quid-pro-quo.
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>>127146210
>implying he liked endings

where's caps anon when you need him?
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>>127145950
You are so sensitive Cunts:). :(
Maybe you are too pure for this general. And thanks for letting the New Years Edition go through. You are cheeky, but not unreasonably so.
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>>127145950
You are always welcome in this hive of despondency and self-loathing, Cunts:)
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>>127146260
>bewilderment

Anon pls.
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I think this is the most autistic general on /vg/
Congratulations.
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>>127146876
Agreed. The majority of posters are mentally challenged, if not all.
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>>127146802

>Supercool geek brother

Ouch, maybe he can get Max into incest
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>>127146446
I think Chloe had suspicious about Frank and Rachel. But when Rachel said there was nothing between them, Chloe just took her word for it. Which is why she gets pissed when she finds out Rachel lied.
I don't think Frank really cares that much about the money, he could easily make it from other students. I think he's just angry and sad about everything with Rachel leaving. Although I can't remember if she left him for good, or if she just disappeared before they could reconcile.
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>>127147084
Kill yourself, cunt.
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>>127146670
>You are cheeky

Thanks :(


>>127146762
:(
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>>127146802
The "ew" is related to
> supercool geek brother
I guess.

>>127146876
Ahh nuuu!!!!!
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>>127147016
We are reaching deep levels of recursion!
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>>127144939
>Her problems are not solved.
>the story does not make a point of healing her

How can you say this when she literally blurts out how fulfilled she feels in the end? Not to mention she was showing signs of healing even earlier on by showing respect to Kate and remorse for her own behavior. Her primary psychological issue was her feelings of abandonment, and she clearly overcame that. Will she have other problems going forward? Of course. Is there reason to believe she's the perfect picture of total serenity? Of course not. But none of that changes the fact that she obviously completed her character arc that was set up for her in the story.

You're acting like the fact that it's complicated and a lot of issues involved, rather than everything being perfectly resolved to where she has nothing to regret or feel whatsoever, somehow means she couldn't have really grown meaningfully at all. If anything it's the opposite, the fact that she witnessed the suffering of so many others and how her own behavior contributed to it made her realize her own selfishness and actually taught her not to be so self-absorbed.
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>>127147186
I like you.
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>>127147084
Good point...I kind of rushed the ending so did Max get a chance to tell Frank what happened to Rachel? It feels a bit sad that I couldn't really involve him in what happens after you find Rachel, if you happened to end up in good terms with him.
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>>127146446
>>127147084

>Cue_E5_5C_Diner_CHFrank_FrankDial_Frank_032="I knew Chloe and her... were close... I was jealous..."
>Cue_E5_5C_Diner_CHFrank_FrankDial_Frank_034="Rachel cared about a lot of people... especially Chloe..."
>Cue_E5_5C_Diner_CHFrank_FrankDial_Frank_035="But, uh... now I see why Rachel dug her... and Chloe was man enough to ask me for help after all that shit we went through."


I'll never understand Rachel's personality. She loves Chloe for sure but also cucked Frank. Then she befriend with Nathan in this point they definitely knew something about the tornado, visions and shit but they cut it
In the end she, story turns out to she ended up fucking with Jefferson, then ded. Seriously?
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>>127147710
You get the chance to tell him about Rachel. If you tell him exactly how she died (overdose), he hates himself for selling Nathan the drugs that killed her, and promises to re-evaluate his life.
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>>127147710
If he's alive he's sitting in the diner. You can tell him you found Rachel, and that she's dead. And he asks how you can either hide the truth (Max says something like "It's not important") or you can tell him she was OD'd by Nathan.
If you tell him the truth, Frank knows he sourced the drugs. He gets mad at Nathan but then says if he makes it out alive he's going to turn his life around.
He also says he understands why Max and Chloe like each other. Which is nice.
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>>127147856
To be honest I know this is gonna get me some stick but I'm glad the tornado had nothing to do with the Prescots. I think people would find it equally as retarded if the Prescots had a tornado machine or something, unless you want to go down the road that they all had secret powers and shit. At first I thought the Blue Butterfly was what gave Max her powers (sorta like Tokyo ESP with the goldfish)
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>>127148032
>>127147949
Shit, wish I actually spoke to him. I was rushing a bit since I wanted to finish the game in one sitting. I hate finishing stuff in the morning since I just spend the rest of the day thinking about it (didn't work though since I just ended up spending the rest of the work moping about LiS)
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>>127148126
> At first I thought the Blue Butterfly was what gave Max her powers

Yeah everybody (including me) was thinking that...
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>>127148253
This isn't your blog.
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>>127148330
Chill out dude.
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>>127148414
Stop blogshitting, dude.
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>>127148126
>I think people would find it equally as retarded if the Prescots had a tornado machine or something, unless you want to go down the road that they all had secret powers

I thought the prevailing implication was that the Tornado was the product of some indian curse that the Prescotts were aware of and exploiting.
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>>127148126
>t I'm glad the tornado had nothing to do with the Prescots. I think people would find it equally as retarded if the Prescots had a tornado machine or something, unless you want to go down the road that they all had secret powers and shit.

Why? if they'd do that , we wouldn't get those shitty, 'doesn't make sense' endings .
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>>127147382
>how fulfilled she feels in the end?
She talks about how the week was a farewell gift. Well, disregarding whether you could possibly consider that week a nice farewell gift, that doesn't mean she feels fulfilled. She doesn't say she is. She actually says she is ungrateful and not worth saving. We have the car breakdown, but that's only the start of trying to tackle her problems, which then are never brought up or worked on again.

Her ultimate meaning in the story is not a well-told tale about overcoming your problems, getting over yourself, moving on, etc. - but just reduced to living or dying. I didn't say I want a perfectly resolved ending, but her problems weren't even attempted to be resolved. Where does she get over Willliam? At what point does it show her stop blaming the universe for her misery? When does she realize that she has been running away from herself? That she never wanted Rachel or what Rachel represented? All that and more we can find in her, and I agree that makes her a complex and great character, but the story doesn't resolve those threads. In the end Chloe should be suicidal. She was beyond herself when she shot Frank in a self-defense scenario. Now there's that, her mother and dozens of other people she is convinced died sheerly in her place, everything that Max has gone through because of her, and the experiences they made throughout the week (some definitely optimistic and worthy of being a farewell gift, some definitely horrible and worthy of making you want to forget about it altogether); we are stacking shit upon shit here and all the story does is saying "she's alive, that's all", or "she#s dead, that's that".
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>>127148032
>He also says he understands why Max and Chloe like each other. Which is nice.

hmm. where?
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DONTNOD damage control is in full force today it seems.
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>>127147856
My view is that Rachel didn't know what she wanted and didn't want to hurt anyone. Everyone was naturally attracted to her and she tried to make everyone happy by returning the friendliness. She loved both Chloe and Frank, but Frank scared her and Chloe wanted something exclusive. Which Rachel couldn't give her because she may not have felt the same way. And obviously never told Chloe that she didn't like her more than a friend.
Eventually she caught the eyes of Jefferson and Nathan and her inability to walk away from the attention (Especially someone who could advance her modeling endeavors and help her get out of Arcadia Bay) lead to her death.
I do think she played a large role in why Max got the power. Going back to that whole bloodoath thing.
Pretty much everything regarding Rachel is speculation though. It's really weird, but really well done, how a character we only know through a few photos and letters is so essential to the story.
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>>127147230
>The "ew" is related to supercool geek brother I guess.

anon pls. also nightmare sequences don't say like that
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>>127148863
> we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers, we helped the- ....

>in other words ''we made the good job, also choices really matter''
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>>127148934
>is so essential to the story.
Well in the end not really.
Bravo ep.5 as always.
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Fitting that the New Year edition would be an absolutely horrid and shit filled thread, I suppose.
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>>127148934
I just want to bend Rachel over and cum in her repeatedly
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>>127148934
Nobody cares. Bitch died anyway. Dontnod erased her powers and shit. They changed her story, after that she became an ordinary bitch, who's fucking with Jefferson,
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>>127149541
Retard.
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>>127149274
Even if she was a normal girl she's still important.
She kept Chloe alive in a time where she really had nothing else. Without Rachel we would not have Chloe. Without Chloe; Max doesn't get her powers, has nothing to compare Kate's story to, and Max will eventually end up hurt/ dead because Jefferson comes after her.

>>127149541
Rachel may not have been special in life (Although there's some suggestions she had the same power Max did) but I do believe that the source of Max's rewind ability was Rachel. Or at least her spirit.
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Some people really saying that they really liked endings and they glad that they erased Prescott's, Rachel's and Nathan's story.

Also some people saying, and believing Dontnod's biggest lie ''they didn't erase anything you're just makin' up stories'' etc.
Then explain this thing to me: In Episode 2, while Nathan and Victoria in the class, and after Jefferson made Kate cry, he talked with Max. After this conversation his phone rings, and opens up. It was like he was talking with his boss ''i can't talk with you right now'' probably he was talking with ''one of Prescott's Sean or Nathan's uncle(?) or who's involved with Rachel's case too '' now you can say that ''he's just talking with an ordinary person, it was just foreshadowing'' ? then why did he nervous while he was talking with that person? .. i don't think that it was just foreshadowing. And cut audios also implying that.
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>>127146061
David was my favorite. I liked how the game portrayed him as caring, but being unable to show it due to his war PTSD.

Speaking of which, I might have missed it but did the game ever tell what war David was in? Gulf War in the 90s or Iraq in the 00s?
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>>127149620
>not Shut up, retard

Here's the truth anon: she's bitch.

>>127149895
'til Dontnod cut it
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>>127150308
I wasn't disagreeing about that, just the other part of your post.
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>>127149895
>Without Rachel we would not have Chloe
Sure but this is a technicality, it's like saying Joyce was a vital character for the same reason.

I agree with you that Rachel was really interesting and well executed in eps1-4, just remarking that ep5 did away with any potential relevance she could have had to the plot of the game which the player actually has to consider. Same as basically every character or theme that wasn't pricefield.
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>>127148492
That would have been a bit over the top.

Big Problem is that the tornado is just TOO MUCH (unless it's really a planned Jehova power demo, which would explain the biblical omen that make no sense at all if this were just a "mechanistic" correction of time out of joint)

The idea to commandeer indian magic powers would suck too. Bigtime.

I'm not sure what a good plot device would be to bring over the idea that "using time powers costs" while still keeping the budget low. And whenever you rewind, you mess up something, so you have to hope to move the increasing mess to where it matters least. The game size would be too large.

A world losing "time" as in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crystal_World

maybe. Frozen AB under the sun?
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>>127148126
it'd be way more better than ''magick tornado'' thing
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>>127149384
>>127149531
>>127149541
You are also so disgusting
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>>127150802
Shut up retard.
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God all the hints, subplots and 'foreshadowing' in ep4 and earlier were so intriguing only to get dropped in ep5.

So fucking depressing every time.
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>>127150802
>Nobody cares. Bitch died anyway.

It was just a sarcasm but also yeah, she 'became' bitch. Dontnod fucked her story and chose this way so..
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>>127149895
>Although there's some suggestions she had the same power Max did
Where though?

>>127150198
Definitely War on Terror. Gulf War I is so long ago, most people can't even remember that.
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>>127151113
>Where though?
Nowhere. Just the mentally challenged fantard making shit up.
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>>127150095
this
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>>127148638
>She actually says she is ungrateful and not worth saving

Which is indicative of her realizing her selfishness. She clearly recognized everything that Max has done for her and thanks her and tells her she loves her. Do you literally need her to say 'hey Max I feel totally fulfilled, I'm over my dad, I'm over Rachel, I don't blame the universe anymore, I've totally overcome my feelings of abandonment'. The ending is already too wordy and too explicit as it is, and you're demanding that she get even more specific and spell it out even more. Or you want five or six extra scenes added into the game to deal with each particular issue she has one by one so you can know on no uncertain terms that she's worked her issues out each in turn? Stories do not need to be that literal or that specific, especially not when you can easily infer all those things from her obvious behavior and dialogue.

The story clearly revolves around Chloe feeling abandoned and Max showing her the love and dedication that she needed to believe that somebody actually loved her and cared about her enough to overcome her angst. Re-evaluating the rest of her childish feelings would obviously follow from that. You're saying that because every single last detail isn't explicitly spelled out for you that the only thing you can do is assume that she never worked through any of it. What you seem to want out of this game would have just made the writing and storytelling even worse. Holding the audience's hand and explaining everything to them is not good writing, and frankly, the game is already guilty of that. But you are ignoring the obvious hand-holding that is already there and insisting that it needs to be even worse.
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>>127151189
Don't reply to your own posts.
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>>127151337
don't be so paranoid anon
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>>127151453
Shut up retard.
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>>127151113
>Although there's some suggestions she had the same power Max did

>Where though?

-Magic Tornado
-Rachel's Revenge

Isn't it enough?
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>>127151597
after u
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>>127148471
...what do you think a general is for?
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>>127151918
For discussion of the video game in which it was made for. I know people love to blogshit in generals, but that still doesn't make it fine to do.
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>>127151676
No because the Magic Tornado is either Rachel's Revenge or Nerd's Chaos Theory but not both (and frankly more likely unconnected to both)

Rachel is at best Ghost Doe implanted in the head of Max.
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>>127148126
I do remember wondering at various points of the game if there was someone else with powers around causing the environmental problems.
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>>127150915

80% of the game had a genuinely good story. Episode 5 had some neat moments but the story just shit the bed.
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>>127151918
Stop replying to rudeanon, idiot, you will give him a hardon. Ignore the shitter, he's just trying to cause aggravation with random one-liners. Does in other generals too I bet.
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>>127152027
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>>127151909
no u
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>>127151289
>Do you literally need her to say
No, I need that to be told in the actual story. I don't want my hand held, I want more meaning in the end, and for Chloe specifically more psychological scenes that actually contribute to her growth. Not her being dead the entire time, then brought back only to be lead to live or die again solely to live or die. The truck scene was great. Where does she progress psychologically after that? There's only stuff that makes her get worse. They could have brought her character to a more meaningful and optimistic end, but they didn't.

We obviously see things different there, which is fine... What meaning does Chloe ultimately in the story represent to you, and where is the optimism in that, for you?
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>>127109339
>>we like to think that we did our job as storytellers and game designers
>we like to think that nearly everyone got to shelter from the tornado
not sure which is more naive tbqh
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>>127152027

Maybe Magic Torando is Nerd's Revenge, Warren's way of getting back at Max. Or at least he presented her with the Chaos theory because it would fuck Max over either way.

Now I really hate him
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>>127148126
>>127152080

>Last Boss: Prescotts
>or just tornado
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>>127151986
Enjoy your little /vg/ police role.
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>>127152386
Is that some Akira?
> NOAA hits Arcadia Bay with orbital laser
WHEEEEEE!!!!
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>>127152426
>waaaahhhh stop telling me to stop breaking the rules
Typical blogshitter. Always crying whenever they get told to stop.
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>>127152325
>Said to his crush ''Sensitive means: ''won't be having sex with you''
>Beaten up by Nathan before 3 days ago
>Suddenly he became street fighter(!) in 3 days (well lucky bitch, obviously Nathan was drunk or took pills)
> Thinks sodium and potassium have different chemical reactions when they're both in the same chemical group
>Became a science major, devs gave him extra scene to explain(!) Max's powers, ''HOLY SHIETT MAX IT'S CHAOS THEORY'' (which isn't even related with story)
>Whinning about ''i know you didn't come for me :( '' during the goddamn storm when Max came for the photo.


>Now I really hate him

Well... you should be.
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>>127147186
>:(
NO EMOJI!!!!!

<3
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>>127152325
Actually subjectively Max has vision of Tornado FIRST. Maybe it's just her fucking with herself.
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>>127152610
> Anon emits commands over the Internet to other anons.
> These levels of autism are should not even be possible!
You are not even my real mom
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>>127147613
>>127152923

Ohhh :) Love you too guys
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>>127153186
Who are you quoting?
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>>127152951
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I see it's still a shitfest like one month ago. I guess we'll never be the same...
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>>127153620

We cutepost every once in a while.
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>>127152264
I've already pointed out a lot of it. She shows sincerity and remorse at the hospital over her selfish and childish behavior with Kate. She breaks down crying during the focus when she realizes everything that Max has been through to save her. Don't forget that she had a lot of time that night to think over things and for how much Max really cared about her to settle in. She commiserates with Max and even tells her she'd understand perfectly if Max wanted her out of her life, again recognizing how selfish and how difficult she's been. She's being clearly respectful of people that she used to be completely antagonistic towards, and recognizing the points of view of her mother and others, which is behavior she was literally incapable of in the truck scene where she just lashed out at everyone. If you simply compare her attitude of blaming everyone in the truck scene to her attitude of accepting that things are bigger than her in the final scenes, that alone tells you a lot about how much she's reconsidered her views.

You've already recognized some of this, but you're for some reason trying to write it off as not really indicative of anything. I don't understand why when it's all pretty clearly shown. If her attitude at the end had been more reminiscent of her behavior in the truck, then you'd have a perfectly good reason to assume she hasn't changed at all. But her attitude isn't similar at all, which is the obvious point. Look at the contrast. She's acting responsibly, rationally, and maturely instead of acting out like an irrational, angsty teen. She's changed. How is there no meaning in that? Maybe what your issue is is that you expect to see a change in her behavior rather than just a change in her attitude, I don't know. But to me the issue was to resolve her psychological issues, and the change in her attitude displays that.
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>>127154956
I never said there was no growth. I acknowdged that to make that suggestion in the end she has to have matured. I'm just disappointed with the lack of experiences she can grow against.

As for "How is there no meaning in that?" - here we are back again at what I said in my first reply to you. "Ultimately", as in with the endings, her meaning is reduced to living or dying: Chloe grows and then all of her growth is undone and she dies; Chloe grows and then lives to have to fight with even more unsurmountable psychological havoc than the stuff that prevented her growth in those 5 years to begin with. Where is the meaning in that? What message is that? It's just about her living or dying, not actually saying anything beyond that. There's no inherent meaning or value in "growth" or "change". You can tell a story where they do mean something, that it's worth holding on and so on, - but here they ~ultimately~ don't.

And I give you there are some scenes I have failed to mention where psychological growth is feasible. Such as dealing with Kate and David, Max being supportive, Max assuring her verbally and otherwise that she won't leave her. But not only could there have been more and more impactful scenes for that (which does not equate to holding our hands), but in the final episode Chloe literally does not exist and then is brought back for a short finale in which all of her recognizing happens way too suddenly, only to then hit us with the "dead or alive" ultimatum.

Even without changing the rest the ending could have been more meaningful. Have it be like the Kate one where we have to convince Chloe of her self-worth and how she has grown in the week and that she deserves to live. And depending on your playthrough she either believes you and ultimately overcomes her issues (and the storm dissipates :v) because of it) or she doesn't and can't overcome her anger. Or make it the "Intervene" ending. Just more than "Oh, tornado. Live or die: What will it be?"
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LET IT DIE
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>>127154501

Max is so damn fluffy, I love it.
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>>127158431
Taylor, it's ok.
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>>127157619
If you're talking strictly about the limited nature of the final choice then yes it's just live or die, and in fact that's how I've always seen it - as a simple choice about how far you'd go to save somebody you love yada yada. I actually don't really even consider the final choice to be important in terms of character development because I think their character arcs are essentially complete before that, which is why Chloe says everything that she really needs to say before you make that choice.

So if you're just saying the final choice undermines the character development, I honestly don't really even care about that. I don't agree with it completely, I think both endings retain the meaning of their relationship, but I don't blame anyone for interpreting it otherwise. You were saying that her problems are not solved and that the story makes no point in healing her, which I take issue with. If you had said that the story solves her problems and heals her and then undermines it with the endings, then I'd have really no big issue with that, although I'd disagree.
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>>127159705
Well, I gave you that there's some healing and the implication of that may be enough for some. But that doesn't mean I think that healing process is well-told to a degree where that makes her character complete. In my mind Chloe is a construction site throughout, and more than healing I see her getting more hopeless with what that week brings for her... And then she's gone only to come back for those endings.

If you are satisfied with her development and the meaning of her character and don't even care much about what the endings ultimately do with that that's fair enough. I'm not saying there's no meaning at all there, and especially the relationship dynamics are pretty rich, but I'm not satisfied at all. I can barely see her wounds healing that were there before the week, and absolutely not those that were caused throughout the week itself. The ending reducing everything to hopelessness just adds insult.
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I hope some anon picks himself up and writes a masterwork of analysis of in-story development of the characters LiS, possible story interpretations, details the metastory, then lays out what dontnod INTENDED to do but didn't actually do and berates them for being messy hacks. This will be followed by an explanation on why the end product has still strong points and is compelling to a certain fringe populace. Finally, an elegant exposition will show possible ways it could all have been done correctly and within budget.
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>>127160996
I just hope it's in caps lock
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>>127160842
I think you're taking the story too seriously on its own terms. For me it was simply recognizing early on that Chloe felt abandoned and needed a good friend and that Max could be that friend for her. And Max herself of course needed to learn to be a better friend in order to do this.

So when I saw how Chloe's attitude changed and how Max became a better and more caring friend, it felt like it was all pretty validated to me and that that was simply and obviously what it was supposed to be about.

I think you're picking the story apart to the extent that there's no way you could possibly enjoy it. It's not an invalid way of reading, but it's also not the best way of reading if you actually want to take anything positive from it. I'm not saying to gloss it over, I'm saying it's fiction and you can pull meanings from it without obsessing over the literal implications of every twist of narrative logic.
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Is this game depressing?
I'm undergoing a crisis and need sad stuff.
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>>127161838
Obviously when playing I never outright felt that "wait a minute, this is all only about life or death and doesn't mean anything more!", but thinking back about how they tell the story... Where is an issue that is addressed and thought to its end? It seems to me practically none of the "themes" and characters get proper closure. It doesn't even have to be optimistic or hopeful closure. But at least more than "they live or they die". Chloe staying angry and running away from Max would have been more compelling than her just dying for no apparent reason at all. Her starting to actually heal and experiencing stuff like maybe being taken back to the past with Max to properly say goodbye to her dad? Great. Living just to drive off with a meek laugh on your face when you should be an absolute mess - or for storytelling purposes at least confronting yourself with reality? Eh.
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>>127162696
It depends but probably very yes.
Unless you pick up on the problems with the story overall and rage before.
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>>127162924
As plot holes?
I just need some feels or shit like that.
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>>127163092
Then go watch a sad movie or some shit, dumbass.
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>>127160996
My interpretation of the story was actually pretty different than most of the interpretations I've seen around here, mostly with all the supernatural stuff especially the spirit animals. I've considered writing it out and posting it, but I don't know if it's what dontnod intended and wouldn't really spend time berating them, so you probably wouldn't like it.
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>>127163159
You, on the other hand, can kill yourself.
If I'm asking here it means I want a game and this one looks like what I want.
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>>127163392
If it looks like what you want then don't bother asking and just play it, retard.
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>>127163392
Don't mind rudeanon, sometimes his cage is being rattled
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>>127163653
Just because I think something doesn't mean I'm right, hence why I was asking for confirmations, but obviously a retard like you can't understand such a complex behaviour.
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>>127162696
I've never cried at a video game before but LiS had me bawling no less than 4 times.

If you grow attached to the characters then you'll get some tears flowing easily.
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>>127162849
My interpretation of the Bae ending was that Chloe most certainly has her own mixed feelings. On the one hand she'd be pretty happy that someone actually loves her enough to make such a sacrifice for her, but on the other hand obviously something really terrible just happened that will impact her for the rest of her life.

But I think she realizes that whatever she is feeling, it's worse for Max, since Max literally blames herself for everything. So I don't see her smile as dismissive of what happened or making it out like she's okay with everything. She's simply trying her best to comfort Max because she knows how much pain she's in. She's not oblivious, she's just putting her own issues to the side to help Max. Which, again, in my mind reinforces her growth that she would care enough about another person to do that, and also highlights their friendship.
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>>127163239
to all evidence dontnod didn't intend anything except a troubling ending, threw every idea under the kitchen sink into a pot and stirred.

Battlestar Galactica TNG is a laudable example of goal-directed writing in comparison to LiS
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>>127163920
Here's your answer, tard. No, the game isn't depressing, it's forced drama and no genuinely emotional moments. Now fuck off and kill yourself instead of sulking and looking for sad shit so you can stop wallowing in your pathetic feelings.
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>>127163092
>>127162696

The game actually angers some people. It's hard to say because who knows how you'll react to it, but it definitely has the potential for feels.
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>>127163653
This pointless solipsistic rage as self-appointed guardian of /lisg/ is just so tedious. Do you punch your teddy at night?
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>>127164258
Why are you replying? People who are mentally challenged like you aren't capable of understand emotions.
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>>127164183
Anon what is your problem jeez? Not even that guy but you're just unnecessarily hostile and rude.
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>>127164183
Someone clearly has brain cancer. Totally coocoo. Maybe you shouldn't be posting on the Internet, it seem to not become you.
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>>127163841
>>127164354
>>127163841
It's really not a true /lisg/ thread without at least one random accusation of yet another boogeyman.
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>>127164183
Haha that immediate explosive anger. Don't hurt your knuckles punching the keyboard son. Seek theraphy.
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>>127164412
>somebody says kill yourself
>reply saying same thing
>omg unnecessarily hostile and rude!!!

Looks like the mental shitters are here.
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>>127164536
> boogeyman
Protip: You seem to be using words you don't fully understand.
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>>127164918
Sure, buddy. Just keep move on and throwing out those accusations.
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>>127164732
I just came to ask for infos and you started being rude for whatever reason.
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>>127164732
Not sure whether script or just deliberately mental.
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>>127165068
You received the info. I don't see the problem.
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>>127165106
Actually I think it's a bot. The answers are just empty filler with cusswords injected. Script is then replying to replies with more canned crap to snowball the action.
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>>127164505
>>127164723
>>127165321
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Did Rachel and Chloe fuck?
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>>127165570
No
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>>127165570
look it up
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>>127165321
More like a very shy and sensitive guy with a bad case of Tourette's syndrome. He will be fine.
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>>127163996
I agree with everything here but still can't help to feel that Chloe shouldn't be capable of keeping her shit together at all there, and that - even if she does for the moment - there's no hopeful future in sight. I can only see that her state is "alive", and that that means nothing beyond "being alive". Well, I ~can~ see other things if I try; that their relationship transcended time and misery and how both their growth is somehow in there and all that, but that's where I have to infer meaning again rather than it coming naturally to me from the story. What came naturally from the story for me was confusion regarding that actually being how they thought to end the game. As in, I was sitting there in disbelief.

Yeah, I was wrong to say that with Chloe it's as much solely about "life and death" as it is with most of everything else and that no single psychological problem of hers was "solved", but I maintain that the series especially compared to what it seemed to be building towards was ultimately very devoid of real, tangible, valuable meaning, tragic or optimisitc, that came naturally from the characters and themes and the stories around them. Tragedy was "death", optimism was "life", ...for the most part.
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Leaving this here for Maximum Victory fans that want lewd/smut. Fanfics by coffeeskater, the guy who wrote about the original Max waking up in bed with AU Victoria.

>http://coffeeskater.tumblr.com/post/119720167755/whoops
>http://coffeeskater.tumblr.com/post/118001985615/chasefield-14
>http://coffeeskater.tumblr.com/post/119834836230/morning-after
>http://coffeeskater.tumblr.com/post/117390395950/lap-dance
>http://coffeeskater.tumblr.com/post/121740859845/returning-the-favor (Max uses a dildo on Victoria in this one. :^))
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Post comfy music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVITux76S0U
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>>127167010
Thank you, anon.
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>>127166164
It depends a lot upon how much you feel that Chloe has learned, for me I think the kind of growth that she experiences would give her a kind of resilience, not callousness, but just strength. I think how she never looks away from the tornado while Max is crying on her shoulder is showing that strength. There is a concept of psychological resilience that deals with being able to balance negative and positive emotions.

As far as why they ended it the way it did, I've honestly always assumed it's something they probably wanted to do because of The Last of Us. They don't make any references to it anywhere, but the game obviously loomed large enough over developers that Bethesda even did the same damn thing with Fallout 4. I think they just wanted to create a scenario where you'd actually have a choice, unlike in TLoU where the choice was just made for you.
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/lisg/ is dead
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>>127170538
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>>127170604
Everything must end eventually due to lack of TIME
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>>127170538

RIP in polaroids
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>Trying to look happy
>You can tell she's emotionally wrecked

;_;
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>>127171693
Maybe it's just the morning light
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>>127171442
WTF is that horrible thing?
This is the last gasp. It's over
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>>127172006
I'm honestly not sure what it is.
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>>127167010
delete this.
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>>127171693
Someone said how she was probably trying to summon the happiness which Max gave her, always taking selfies with William's camera. But how it only made her sadder. ;;!
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>>127172396
momsnet please
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>>127172530
>William's camera

Why didn't we think of this sooner?! It wasn't Max or Chloe that caused the tornado, it's that camera! It holds William's curse against the world!

In the bay ending, she doesn't break her camera and thus never uses William's camera. -That- is why the tornado never comes, it has nothing to do with Chloe or time travel at all!
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Good night /lisg/
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>>127175991

There will never be enough art of Pricefield cuddling
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>>127176810

Remember Leviticus 18:22 Kate
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>>127177874
>'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Says nothing about a female lying with another female.
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>>127178556
Amen.
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>>127178556

Well then, time for those dykes to start dyking up.
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>>127178556
God loves Dykes.
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What's the best pacing to play an episodic game?

The original release schedule had MONTHS between episodes. Should I emulate that anticipation and breathing space by waiting time between sessions?
An hour? A day? A week? Is it a sin to gobble it all down in one Saturday?
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I know you guys have the standard citations for Max's natural affection towards Chloe instead of Warren regardless of the choices you make, but have any of you taken one for the team and done a full Warren option playthrough just for maximum proof?

I know from my own two playthroughs that there are small differences, like the difference between her calling him funny or cute in the lab, and her dialogue after writing on his board being more Warren friendly "sometimes you just gotta take a chance" vs. not "hope he doesn't take it the wrong way".
But I've been pretty neutral in most of my choices overall.
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>>127181394
Don't even think about emulating the release schedule. If this is your first time playing Life is Strange it'll just make the experience even worse. If you aren't already aware the final episode is a horrible mess and forcing 3 months of anticipation on yourself is just going to make it even less enjoyable.
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>>127181394
The main reason why the wait was worth it beyond the pure anticipation was the fact that you could talk with a bunch of people that were equally as hyped. I think a day is reasonable; marathoning it doesn't really feel right. Too taxing and the pacing gets too drawn-out. Do an episode a day and take your time for each.
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>>127181394
I tried to make sure I at least played the episodes on different days. I think I might have given up on that by episode 4 though, and just played through to the end from that point.
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>>127181638
Sorry. I'd consider it if choices actually did have relevance in this game. But virtually none of your accomplishments meant anything in either ending, so I just don't have the will to replay even the best parts of the game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1aV-X1d28
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You guys stopped arguing yet?
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>>127182328
look it up
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>>127182239
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>>127179947
Kate's eyes seem to be drawn somewhere in the middle pic. Not looking at anything naughty are you Kate?
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>>127181908

I know the endings were dumb but episode 3 and 4 still hit me like tanks.
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>>127151113
Sorry this is so late. Had a small gathering to go to.
The suggestions about Rachel having the same power as Max come from the fact that she was friend with nearly everyone in Blackwell. She could blend in with every clique and would know what to say in conversations (Similar to how Max can rewind after learning info about someone or something). Plus she had a 4.0 GPA but she was out partying, if she could rewind then she wouldn't have to worry about having time to study because she would have all the time needed.
And then there's the stuff in the Junkyard, like the dartboard where Chloe has a bad score but Rachel was perfect (Like she could make a throw, observe where it landed, rewind, and then make the corrections).
It may have all been to try to just frame Rachel as being as close to perfect as anyone can be, so that you feel sad when you learn her fate. Or it may have been trying to hint that maybe she was a little too perfect for just a normal girl.
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>>127185031
Yeah and that in combination with all the 'Max is Rachel' hints
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>>127185285
It breaks my heart that now I'm nostalgic for the 'Max = Rachel" days. In hindsight it would have at least been better than Max being the cause of the tornado.
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>>127185285
I never bought into the Max = Rachel stuff.
I think all the similarities between them was trying to drive another point home: That Chloe missed Max.
Max leaves and Chloe ends up finding a girl that reminds her of Max (And becomes so dependent and enamored that she ignores any blatant flaws) and tries to have the relationship she wanted. Joyce says how Chloe was frequently talking about Max over the five years, and whenever Chloe's comparing Max and Rachel it's always Rachel reminding her of Max and not "You remind me of Rachel". While Chloe definitely cared about Rachel, her feelings for Max never changed and were probably only realized once it was too late.
I think Rachel knew this as well and that's why she never had the relationship Chloe wanted. Because she had to have known about Max and would have known that if Max came back Chloe would choose her.
So no. Rachel and Max are not the same. They are very different but Chloe ignored the differences and just looked for the familiarity to try to make herself feel like she was still happy. But when you go into more you see that Max was exactly the person Chloe needs.
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>>127185575
>Chapter 5 nightmare
>mfw Max enters the hallway, now wearing rachel's clothers, missing person posters all over the wall, voices mentioning rachel playing in her head
>mfw OH SHIT ITS REAL ITS ACTUALLY FUCKING HAPPENING


But then nothing came of it...

I always liked that theory honestly. To me the game always felt like it had an impulse to veer in some really surreal direction like that where Max's reliability as a narrator is thrown out the window and you've actually been playing some fragmented memory or delusion. Oh well.
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>>127186164
I prefer that interpretation to the simple idea that "Rachel was just a cheating slut". It's believable for Chloe to view Rachel that way and it puts both of them in a sympathetic light. And it certainly makes for a much better tragedy than the tornado dilemma.
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>tfw no Kate gf
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>>127188141
THEY LIVE ON IN ALL OF US
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>>127188141

The memory of the tornado that threatened all will burn eternal in our hearts...
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>>127188141
Bite your tongue. Even if they don't appear in S2, Pricefield will live on.
People will still make art and fics in the future. And as long as this general is active, even if we have new characters, I will be posting Max and Chloe.
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>>127189130

Anyone here try their hand at 3d modeling? I'm tempted, if only to keep Pricefield alive.
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>>127188141
>>127189130
Yfw the inevitable LiS S1xS2 fics
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>>127189339

Gonna be weird considering S2 will star a couple of gay inner-city black guys.
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>>127189130

Will Chloe and Max live on.. Forever.. like

Rei and Asuka?
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As soon as I saw that butterfly the only thing I could hear was.
"This is morpho arriving shortly at LZ."
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>>127188141

Can we all write a fanfic together. A short aftermath of what happens with both ending.

If we all band together and do it. We can call it a fan canon.
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>>127192010
I would like that. ;;
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>>127192010
It could be interesting for a longer running thing. I'm sure there's various ideas for what Max and Chloe do after the game. Where they go (Although the most likely and common choice seems to be to Seattle where Max's parents are). But after that it can go many ways.
There's the community story in the OP. But anyone can add to it and it appears to be dead.
I guess if someone set something up similar to it where anyone could post/ edit and then we used strawpolls for figuring out what path the story went then it would work.
Some could write, some could edit and proofread, create art, etc.

If you just want a small summary though, a few have been posted in the threads as greentext stories.
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>>127192410

Move to Seattle, Max becomes a semi-successful photographer online then wins an award here and there. Chloe gets a job at a weed shop or a music store. With the occasional cute lesbian antics.
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>>127192683
My thoughts were somewhat similar. I went more in depth in a previous thread but the really quick rundown is:
Max and Chloe move to Seattle. Max finishes high school and Chloe gets a GED. Max starts doing freelance photography and eventually gets noticed to the point she's in galleries and sometimes being hired by news agencies. Chloe gets a job in a tattoo shop but also starts volunteering and trying to help troubled kids that have lost parents.
After a few years of maturing, building a life, and having money, Max and Chloe adopt a daughter that's five or six years old. One that lost both of her parents in the storm in Arcadia Bay.
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>>127192683
>>127193561
Needs to include the powers somewhere.

At the very least, if time travel or the supernatural isn't a plot point anymore, then something like "she spent the rest of her life worried about ever using her powers again" or just a confirmation that she absolutely no longer has powers.
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>>127194061

Good time travel isn't worth the effort for a fanfic. I'd be willing to write something but I wouldn't try to add anything complicated.
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>>127194061
I could see something like Max using it by accident on something really small and then freaking out. Like one morning she's pouring coffee and accidentally shatters the mug, rewinds without thinking, notices, immediately throws the mug as hard as she can, and then breaks down crying. Chloe hears her and comes rushing in to figure out what happened and then to comfort her.
Max still has the powers, and may experiment with them in increasing ways to see if she can control them without ill effect. As she becomes older she may understand them more and have gain more control. Maybe she will also go back into some photos just to relive some happy moments, and possibly take Chloe with her if it works the same way with people as it does objects.
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>>127194709


Hmmm nice idea. I like to think that Max entirely forgo using time travel power, because she know what will happen to the environment if she does.

But one fine day, something major happened.. Maybe some kid got banged by a car or something and Max, being the girl she is, rewinds time.

At first things seems okay but suddenly.. DUN DUN DUN DUN
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>>127193561
It's encouraging to see the general planning a story but this premise seems a bit derivative. By now I've probably seen a dozen or so fics where Max and Chloe move to Seattle and become parents.
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>>127196771

We should do some kind of voting to get things started.

But lets set the setting first.. The general consensus is that Chloe and Max move together right?
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>>127196771
Not saying it's original by any means, or that it will make for a particularly exciting story, but it's just the most common to conclusion. I think it's interesting in itself that many people have created the same/ similar ideas for where the characters go and what they do, as if that's how it's meant to be.
Those are just my thoughts on how things would logically go, but I'm more than happy to read other stuff that takes a more original and surprising turn.
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>>127197327
What if you start with a revised version of Episode 5 that removes the storm (or at least gives it a better explanation) and throws out all the other bullshit associated with it?
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>>127197327
>>127197598
Seriously hope you retards aren't actually considering doing this.
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>>127197683
Why not? It could turn out to be a nice constructive project. We don't really have much else to do for the rest of the year.
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>>127197598

Nah, I say we work around it. This story is supposed to be set after the events of Episode 5, anyway.
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>>127197598
I'm not actually planning on writing anything at the moment. Just speculating ideas in case someone else wants to.
You could start the story with letting Chloe die, and having Max try to move on. But through her own thoughts and interactions she realizes that life without Chloe is just going to ruin her. She doesn't tear up the picture on the cliff, so she still has it and is able to go back and save Chloe. And maybe during that time she's catching back up to the present Max's actions or words save more people from the storm. Or somehow make the storm very small since she would have only used her powers once (That is assuming the storm grew as she rewound more and more), so maybe only one small use of the power will decrease the storm's power.
Max comes to and Chloe's with her and Arcadia Bay is practically unscathed aside from some minor damages.
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>>127197869
Because last time this was attempted it was a pile of shit failure.
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>>127198032

We could have her breaking down and desperately trying to stitch the two halves of the photo together. I want to see Max break down and cry.

>>127198072
I need my closure man ;_;
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>>127197972
>>127198032
Would there be any major casualties in the storm or would it just amount to a few nameless people and injuries? If it's the former will Warren be shown mercy?
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>>127199381
You could either have some people Max knows die, to have an impact. Or you could say nobody died because the storm really was just really small because Max wasn't feeding it every time she rewound.
As for Warren, really no clue. Honestly don't care that much.
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>>127199531
While I might get a little chuckle out of Warren having some hilarious misfortune, I actually would prefer it if he survived and underwent some character development. It'd be nice to see him grow up and accept that Max isn't interested in him.
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>>127199126

Chloe persuades Max to go to LA because she's ready for a big city and somewhere more exciting than Arcadia Bay. At some point Max gets a gig photographing some female models, thinking it will help her get over her worsening PTSD from the dark room, but as she develops the film from the photoshoot she breaks down from the memories of Jefferson and the dark room.

Then Chloe gets fucked up by a gang in east LA
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>>127199720
By "fucked up" do you mean beaten or....
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>>127199979

Imagination!
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>>127199531

Well if Chloe's mom was in the Two Whales with Warren, and it's implied that she died.. Then shouldn't Warren be dead too..
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>>127200145
I'm imagining some rather unpleasant things. This doesn't sound like a nice story at all.
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>>127143324
>If that's true than why does anybody even like her

The 5th episode was months and months and months away from the first episode, dipshit. People loved her long before her arc suddenly went nowhere.

Chloe simply stating "I guess I'm a complete person now because reasons" is not the same as the character actually being allowed to develop.

>I've been noticing this more and more in these threads recently
And you 'point it out' every fucking time instead of simply arguing the point, so maybe get the fuck over the little ego battle of what you think someone's motives are and just stick to the facts if they back you up so much.
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>>127200227
We honestly don't know what happened in Two Whales since Max and Chloe just drive by it. Pretty stupid.
They could all be dead inside, alive/ unconscious, or not even there anymore since David drove there and got them to the Dark Room for safety.
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>>127200227
Depends on where Joyce and Warren were in the after Max focused into the parking lot. It's not impossible they didn't go to the diner that time but I can't think of anything to stop them from going. It also depends on whether or not the truck crashed beside the diner that time round and if it exploded.
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>>127200359
The problem with the theory about David and the Dark Room is that he probably had responsibilities as a security guard and as an assistant in Jefferson's capture. While I'm sure he'd take Joyce to safety when he got the chance I don't think David would be so quick to abandon the students (especially after the incident with Kate).
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>>127200304
Agreed. I don't like anything about that concept.
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>>127148638
>She actually says she is ungrateful and not worth saving

Man, episode 5 really took a great big shit on Chloe. The parking lot focus is pretty much just Max having to berate her ass into not dying by playing a game of "who's got it worse", then at the end she's forced to say how everyone else matters more than her and she should die in their place because she's not as good a person as they are.
Christ, give a girl a break.

And on a side point, it always left a bad taste in my mouth too that Chloe is brow beaten for being insensitive about Kate, but her own drugging is never dealt with after episode 1. In episode 4, her fearful reaction to Nathan clearly shows she's deeply affected by it, but she's never treated like a victim, it's all about Kate and Rachel.
Why was she even a victim in the first place? Just to be able to deliver some exposition?
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>>127151289
>Which is indicative of her realizing her selfishness.
Thinking that she doesn't deserve to live as much as other people is not growth. She's always felt the universe has taken a shit on her life, now she's just accepting it gracefully rather than being pissed off about it.
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>>127200359
>>127200513

Okay so, Warren, dead or not dead.

Maybe we can vote.

I vote not dead.
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>>127161181

HULK FILM CRITIC PLS
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>>127201592
I say not dead. Max's autopilot text him telling him to take Brooke out somewhere (Outside of Arcadia Bay) that night.
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>>127160996

The problem with that is that when a story is flawed in the fundamental ways this one is, interpretations of what was attempted and what else could have been done to make it better can fly every which way. Making the endings work as is could benefit from changes from the very opening, changing the endings to fit with what preceded could benefit from changing the entire finale, and all splintering off in as many ways as your imagination:) will take you. And even when you try talking about the parts that work, they might suddenly become massive problems when put into a wider context of issues elsewhere in the game. It's enough to make you go crosseyed.

Compared to a story that is really well told, where you can write for hundreds of pages about what's going on and why it works so well, with no contradictions.

But really, we've all talked so fucking much about this game on here, for so long with so many unique voices and in such detail, we've probably got material for fucking 1000s of pages of analysis if it was just put into a neater format with all the 'faggots' taken out.
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http://lis-allwounds.tumblr.com/

Just found this.
Thoughts?

i thought it was shitty
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>>127203586
Not going to bother looking at it. I'm already sick of all these piece of shit fan projects.
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>>127202190

>1000s of pages of analysis if it was just put into a neater format with all the 'faggots' taken out.

Take out all the 'faggots' and we'd be down to a couple dozen pages instead.
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>>127203586
So there's another visual novel, this one based on that one fanfic? I didn't care all that much for the original story so I'm not sure I'd be interested in trying it out. I'm kind of tired of post-bae and post-bay stories. That's another thing that pissed me off about Episode 5. It left is with so little to focus on or write about that we're stuck with an endless number of fics where Max and Chloe have to move on or something along those lines.
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>>127203851

>By the time a good fan project comes out people will be too tired of shit ones to even check it out
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>>127204309
Love is Strange looks like it might be alright and that's supposedly coming out early this year.
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>>127203586
I didn't realize it was a game. I read what was made of the fic already and it was eh. It started out really good. But then both Max and Chloe become really hostile towards each other. It feels a lot less like love and more like "Well I'm stuck with you now". Plus I wasn't too fond of how they get drunk so they can confess how they feel.
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>>127204226

>Life is Strange is one of those rare games that the LGBTQIA+ community can really relate to. Representation is a hard thing to come by, and having a VN limited to female romances is very important to the team.

Warren cucked even by SJWs
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>>127204075
kek
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>>127204589
shut up. don't pretend you don't love the idea of comfy cucking yuri fanservice game
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>>127203586

We need a episode 6 or people are going to go insane
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>>127203586
I felt like I got secondhand autism just from playing the intro. I thought this kind of grimdark LoL sOoOo EdGy AnD kRaZy bullshit was quarantined to pony fandom.
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>>127205087

>S2 comes out
>No S1 references at all
>No Max, no Chloe, no nothing
>"The French video game company Dontnod Entertainment, creators of Life is Strange, were the targets of arson today as their headquarters in Paris came under attack by angry fans, throwing bricks and molotov cocktails at the building. One of the attackers posted their thoughts on twitter shortly before the attack took place."
>"Fuck this faggots, where's my qt Max waifu?"
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>>127205413
>At their Arraignment hearing, the accused only submitted a note saying "This action will have consequences."
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Would you watch Max get blacked?
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>>127205413

To be fair I only broke 6 of their windows. And those bricks I used weren't cheap either.
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>>127201196
>Why was she even a victim in the first place?
Well it's the motive for the whole bathroom confrontation
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>>127206008

Only if it were by Misty Stone
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We played hide and seek in waterfalls.
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>>127205413
>Arrested for damaging dontnod building
>blue butterfly appears at police station
>prosecutor has dream warning of mass destruction, gains time powers that they do fuck all with
>get prosecuted
>freak tornado destroys Paris
>prosecutor realises truth, if they didn't start legal proceedings, this wouldn't have happened.
>offered choice to save Paris, or Pursue Justice for minor vandalism (building will be destroyed anyway because of tornado)
>chooses to pursue justice anyway, because that ending had a song they hadn't heard before
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>>127206008

No, she's probably the kind who doesn't even have a sex drive. She would most likely just reluctantly lie on the bed, like a dead fish.
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>>127206823
>Max a dead fish in bed
I've seen plenty of fanart which shows otherwise
>>
>try to fap
>halfway through think of max being fucked by jefferson
>she's obviously not liking it
>that feels
>still bust the load anyway

I'm so sorry Max I don't mean it..
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>>127185031
Would be cool if there was some definitive info buried in the game to confirm (Frank could blab about that for example) . dontnod missed yet another trick.

That would also make Jefferson the Time Girl Eliminator.
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>>127190326
Of course!
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>>127207872

You don't make a evangelion sequel without rei and Asuka man
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>>127207053
Jefferson sensei what did you do?
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>>127208227

did he rape max?
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>>127210426
No. He's just in it for the art.
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>>127207053
Is that you Steve?
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>>127211580

Whose Steve?
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>>127207383
>That would also make Jefferson the Time Girl Eliminator.

I predict an animu about that.

> Jefferson Senpai
> Has been eliminating Time Girls since the Middle Ages when he was with the Inquisition
> Because ancient Japanese Holy Mission to keep time disturbances on Earth to a minimum
> Is actually hundreds of years old but looks mid-30s
> Recently relocated to Arcadia Bay as time disturbances were sensed
> Gets hired a expert in photography at some high school with bullying problems
> Has some girl-related hobbies the pursuit of which makes him groom a loyal henchman
> His investigations lead him to this pretty girl Who Can Do No Wrong For Some Reason who likes to wear a blue feathered earring
> FIRE WALK WITH ME!
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>>127212213
Resident pornhound/creator/poster
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>>127212213
A very....interesting character in this general. They have a tendency to post links to SFM porn.
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>>127212731
>>127213035


Can I see his fine works?
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>>127181638
Even if you kissed him, she can kiss Chloe too. If you kissed Chloe, she mentions her as Love route. If you didn't, she uses Love word to her again;platonically or not. Don't mention of nightmare sequences.
So mate, whatever you do; Max has hots for Chloe in every way.
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>>127213469
I don't think they're his works exactly. He often posts links to SFM works by someone calling themselves Pestilence. They're not very pleasant to watch.

The first one has Kate being devoured by some sort of tentacle plant monster. It forces a tentacle down her throat and chokes her to death/unconsciousness and then proceeds to swallow her.

The second one has Max get murdered by Jefferson who proceeds to violate her corpse. The worst part was hearing her cry right before Jefferson shot her in the head. And for whatever fucked up reason the person who made it ends the video with Max's body losing bowel control and farting Jefferson's cum back out.

I really wish I was just making this all up.
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>>127203586
Both this and the fanfic it's based off are so miserable. The author writes Max's inner thoughts in a way that feels extra edgy and the whole thing is like his vanity project rather than trying to make something that people will enjoy reading. Which is fine when it's just a fic, but making a whole fan game?

Plus he's been shilling this like crazy sucking up to all the popular tumblr users like some turbo-warren
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>>127213859
That sounds horrible.
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>>127214002
>The author writes Max's inner thoughts in a way that feels extra edgy and the whole thing is like his vanity project
Are they like rowanred81 then?
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>>127214002
It IS a vanity project. Everyone on his 'team' is actually a paid commissioner. He's spending his own money on all of that artwork because the whole thing is a masturbatory egofest and no self respecting artist would be willing to assist on that for free.
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>>127213859
Maybe the goods are on gurochan, I haven't been checking lately
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I really want to finger Kate and then lick her juices off my fingers afterwards.
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>>127213859

>doing all that to poor, poor Max.

Wtf is wrong with that guy man.
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>>127214612
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>>127214612
Well, these are natural impulses.
Inb4 SIN
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>>127214612
I want to learn about The Bible with Kate.
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I really want to cuddle Kate and then lick her homemade chocolate sundae off my fingers afterwards.
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>"I went through a boy toy phase"
W-what did she m-mean
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>>127214683
Oh yeah, and right before that nastiness ensues we see Max's phone ringing and her dad is trying to call her, reminding the viewer that there will be two heartbroken mourning parents at the end of it all. Isn't that just tasteful.
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>>127215032
Noncommital sex with various & sundry
As if you didn't know
Will Max demand a clean bill of health from Arcadia hospital?
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>>127215032
>among other things

actually not just boys..
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It's about time for a new thread. Is Cunts around?
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Good morningg!!!!! Alsoooo:

NEW THREAD
>>127215395
>>127215395
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>>127215423
WOAH sudden appearance
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