/scg/ - DAN THE MAN EDITION

>>STABILITY CONFIG FILE<<
http://pastebin.com/c6DrAptD

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Vanduul sacking earth when, CIG

is there any point in joining an organization this early?

>>127047304
I'm trying to play Homeworld for the first time and Remastered is a piece of shit.

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Vanduul models ripped to SFM when

>>127047509
>alien race
>bipeds with two arms
boring. literally babby's first alien

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>>127047614
>alien race
>caterpillars with tentacles
interesting. literally a pain in the ass to animate/design around

>>127047509
I need some
>girlsflyingscythe,jpg

>>127047770
>anything else is hard so its acceptable to be lazy
okay. welcome to the reason sci-fi is so goddamn boring these days

>make an amoeba race
>you can't fly any of their ships
>the interior isn't explorable for the single seater ships
I don't get why weird alien races aren't made, they would require less time than another humanoid race for the ship design part.

>>127047948
FIDELITY, anon

>>127048551
Does fidelity mean everything needs to look like it came from earth?

>>127047948
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retarded_ideas

>>127048698
But everything did, anon

All things spawned from a human imagination are "from Earth"

>>127048831
>octopus eyes aren't retarded like ours

JUST meme

>>127049128
Octopi are aliens

>tfw Tevarin will prolly just be space elves
>tfw Kr'Thank will likely just be another humanoid race
CIG's greatest blunder incoming

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Should I upgrade gladius to Saber?
What's the saber loaner?

>>127049827
They're different ships and playstyles. Pick the one that you like more.

>>127049827
>Should I upgrade gladius to Saber?
Fighter VS Stealth Fighter
Whatever you want to do.

>What's the saber loaner?
Hornet

>>127049827
Hey, what's the TIE Fighter equivalent in this game?

>>127050062
Aurora :^)

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>>127050062
>unshielded, disposable cannon fodder
Take an Aurora ES and strip the shield off it

>>127050062

P51 probably

>>127050062
Scythe/Glaive

>>127050238

tie-tanic when

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cXVRJrVYs
NYX!

>This is a good thread. I have compiled this feedback into a beautiful little package called an Outlook email and have sent it to the stakeholders involved in this aspect of character development. Much appreciated yall! <3
Huh, one of the redditfags got an employee to actually look at the shitty HUD
neat

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>>127053191
>Outlook email
>stakeholders

>>127051667

>That framerate even on a dev comp

aaa

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>>127053492
CIG competence at its finest, I suppose

>>127050238
only the very early versions had no shields.

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>>127050062

>Fast, cheap, easy to mass produce, and all of its pilots are suicidal maniacs

>>127053692
It sounds like someone taking the piss

>>127050062
X-wing: Hornet
Y-wing: Gladiator
A-wing: M-50
E-wing: Gladius
TIE Fighter: Mustang Alpha
TIE Advanced: Mustang Delta
Z-95: 300i
Pinook: Aurora

>>127053492
>>127053692
The guy I know at work who seriously uses the term "stakeholders" is a complete psychopath.

I'm not sure if he was born that way or if the Office 365 team broke him. Everyone else I've met from the Office team is a psycho as well.

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>>127054046
they had that little reddit sign thing with the CIG employee text, although knowing those fags they might hand those out like candy

>>127054252
isnt stakeholder an actual real term?

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>>127049937
>>127050002
Shit, the sale is over. Gladius it is then!

>>127054828
It's not a word I'd ever use to describe a developer outside of a financial context

>>127054951
Its not like the Sabre is a direct upgrade from the Gladius, if you were thinking it is / will be.

If you're onto flying fast light fighters, the Gladius is likely your best bet for now

>>127050062
Mustangs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cXVRJrVYs

Around the Ben

>>127055082
True.
And the gladius is damn sexy too.
I guess it wasn't the last chance at the Sabre anyways.

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best cockpit and closest approximation to an advanced TIE fighter when?

>>127055404
>Implying a TIE fighter cockpit is a high visibility glass ball

Can't see left or right pretty much at all due to the 'solar arrays' either side, and you're looking through what is basically a ship porthole in the first place.

>>127055810
>solar arrays
I thought they were radiators

>>127055082

I really don't think the Saber will have many if any drawbacks to the gladius

People act like it being stealth will hinder its performance, but I don't think that will be the case

I could see the gladius being slightly more maneuverable, but will probably be slower, it just doesn't make much sense for a cutting edge fighter to not perform as well as a dated fighter

And this isn't an F-35 to F-16 comparison, it's more like an F-22 to F-15 comparison

>>127055810
it is a ball though. its not as if any ship will have a replica TIE cockpit in any case.

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>>127055867
Whichever. Wouldn't be surprised, I'm not that knowledgeable on it. Point is they're really in the way, is all.

>>127055871
The parts will be lower-sig, so naturally low(er) performance, though we can hardly say HOW much lower. Its manouverability design 'goal' was to out-turn a heavy fighter, which doesn't seem that great.

People seem to be thinking its just a straight-up better Gladius, but that isn't going to be the case. CIG doesn't want to due pure upgrades.

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>>127055867

The new ones remind me of the filters you put in your AC vents.

>>127056229

That's the thing we don't really know if they will be lower sig, after all it uses energy weapons which are higher sig than ballistic weapons.

Does the stealth hornet perform worse than a standard hornet?

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>>127056289
What is this gook screen door bullshit

>>127056432

Those too...

>>127056389
It doesn't, but firstly the Ghost is still really high signature. Its a lower-sig Hornet rather than a real stealth craft, in my opinion. Secondly, its early days. There aren't really sets of components like thrusters even in the game yet. There might be eventually.

>>127056229
>>127056389

>The parts will be lower-sig, so naturally low(er) performance

Not really the case in the Sabre's design.
It basically trades-off Hornet's armor capabilities & higher firepower for that huge stealth-suite that's plugged into it's rear fuselage.

supposedly it's supposed to be naturally stealthier than a Ghost, which probably means you'll need to be much closer to show up on radar + its signature may falloff much quicker amongst debris.

>>127054089
The mustang is closer to the First Order TIE than the originals.

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>>127056536

Thing is, that while a stealth hornet or delta mustang rely on armors or low signature components to decrease their sig, the saber has an active stealth component

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>>127056289
>>127056432
I'm pretty sure that's a shitty fan render
There are also two kinds of TIE fighters being used now

>all this Sabre v Gladius speculah
>nobody ever read the Q&A
>How well will the Sabre handle in comparison to the Gladius?

The Sabre is going to handle very similarly to the Gladius, if you look closely the maneuvering thruster type and placement is very similar to the Gladius. If you enjoy flying the Gladius the Sabre should behave broadly the same but with a little extra weight to it.

>Can you elaborate on why someone would pick the Sabre as opposed to the Hornet, and vice-versa? How does this relate to the Hornet Ghost specifically?

Compared to the Hornet Ghost the Sabre is built from the ground up to be a dedicated “stealth” ship whereas the Hornet Ghost is retrofitted to become stealthy, therefore whilst the Ghost is still very stealthy compared to other ships it wont be quite as impervious to radar as the Sabre. What little it lacks in stealth capabilities compared to the Sabre though is made up for in its additional armour and weaponry however

>>127056661
>Not really the case in the Sabre's design.
But it is.

All components generate a EM/IR/CS signature. Being a stealth ship doesn't mean you sticking red hot sun turbo mav thrusters on your ship is going to make them low-sig.

>>127056715
Wheres this?

>>127057628
>not using your super hot thrusters to achieve super high velocity, dumping them and then coasting on the boost to hit your target at mach 18

>>127057628

See attached picture anon, its highlighted

>>127056715
You can't redact a nickname goddamnit

We all know it's POTATO

>>127058148
Meant more if there was any information on it other than that

>>127058704
why is it even redacted anyways? aren't these all civilian ships anyone can buy?

>>127057876
If it takes a human body hours to freeze in a vacuum I'd imagine thruster cooling is a massive headache

>>127058772

Not that I'm aware of.

I think the point is that it wont be hindered by the need for low signature components

I think maybe the rear thrusters will be reduced heat but I'd be genuinely surprised if the maneuvering thrusters are anything special

As mentioned >>127057510

I think the only difference will be weight, given that the saber is 2000 kg heavier

>>127059216
>thrusters
We talking thrusters or boosters?

>>127058873
It's Aegis' newest ship they built to claw back some of the military market share they've lost to Anvil

>>127047501
I understand that Remastered for 2 is good but Remastered for 1 sucks balls.

Also where the fuck is Cataclysm?

sorry for off topic

>>127059216
All spess sims have magical Stefan–Boltzmann law defying radiators, anon. SC has them too.

>>127058873
I think there's a lot of REDACTED on some Hull Series images or some other MISC ship

>>127059479
Wasn't there some guffaw a while back about Cataclysm's original source-code and assets were lost/deleted? Also the license was complicated.

>>127059479
It feels like 1 Remastered butchers the experience, they delivered the "Kharak is burning" line in a completely bored manner.

>>127059490
:^)
The SC cooling units shunt all the heat into a highly pressurized liquid medium and stores it all between landings. So in essence you're flooding the thermostatic lattice into a hyper-conductive substrate composed of highly ionized manifolds along the EPS system grid.

Kind of like pouring water over a mild burn.
Learn some science anon, geez.

>>127060073
Is the liquid medium handwavium?

>>127060003
It sounded fairly bored in the original game, got a vid of the new one?

Also the gameplay from 2 being carried over to 1 was what I was talking about.

>>127060073
>between landings.
Eh I guess that works with how fast they can magically move

>>127060073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHk40VvFsp4

>>127060994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag

They should take every component in these and put them into star citizen to the point where people end up talking like that when they fly in for repairs.

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>>127061663
but they are

>>127061663
genius

>>127062251
>flying racer
>strip out things like auxiliary and phase array

>>127062251
>>127062719
Repair game stronk

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/15062-Ship-Repair-And-Maintenance

>>127060784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6B_pFX_pcI

And yeah they carried the enemy scaling mechanic from HW2 to 1 which fucks up the game balance.

I got tired of that so I'm engaging in Ace Combat 4 now

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>>127063076
The day we actually get to see one of these "in-depth" systems implemented is the day I will trust CIG.

Currently what we have is so fucking barebones and has been done a million times before in other games.

With things like the HUD they keep saying "Oh what we got here is just a CRUDE PRE-OMEGA ALPHA VERSION of the ACTUAL system.

I want to see the cargo system in action, I want to see the salvage,mining,repair,radar/signature,ship system management, communications,jump point actually implemented. Just one of them.

>>127063694
The signature system is in, and how is the features in v2.X not up to that level?

For the record no, even what is in the game now hasn't been done a million times before.

>>127063885
while 2.0 is impressive, i'm with the anon you've replied to.
When and IF they deliver some actual mechanical tertiary gameplay will be the point where a lot of folks can truly believe the game is going to become a "game".

Persistence and shopping and customization will go a long way to vindication.

Salvage/Mining/Trading/Repair will set it in stone.

>>127063694
It's only a put the ship parts back together mini game tbf
Better than 'press X to repair' but it's not mindblowing

>>127064289
>When and IF they deliver some actual mechanical tertiary gameplay will be the point where a lot of folks can truly believe the game is going to become a "game".


Because maps as large as the crusader area / QD movement without loading screens and 2000m/s+ dogfighting won't convince people, but fuck me, a working radar system will!

what

>>127064414
Again, working large open space is neat and all.
But holy fuck, Space Engies does it too.
>working radar
learn to read nerd
Stop getting rustled and calm your tits, stand down defense force.

The sum of 2.0 as of now is far from an actual game, and my statement didn't deny it'd become one.

Also you're a faggot

>>127064789
>Stop getting rustled

Kettle black, etc. God damn.

and no, space engineers does not do multiplayer multicrew ships with local physics grids. Lots of games do one or two, even a few elements of the 2.X alpha. I can't think of one that has them all.

I know what you're saying, even if you are buttflustered for some reason. Just not seeing it in comparison to how much faith 2.X gave a lot of people.

>>127065015
>and no, space engineers does not do multiplayer multicrew ships with local physics grids
You used large world as your rebuttal
>Because maps as large as the crusader area / QD movement without loading screens
And I implicitly didn't refer to them; as I was only refering to 64-bit large world tech, the original subject which you mentioned.

Any flustering I harbor is because you can't read.
We're on the same side in terms of SC's potential, brother.

You're just a faglord.

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>>127065307
I'd be a faglord for you anytime, anon

Just join my org first

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>>127065480

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>>127060073
>>127060994

https://youtu.be/OsPluf2TZrQ

The exact opposite direction. Fucking Canadians.

How are pirates supposed to intercept ships at cruise speed?

>>127065971
how do you intercept anything if the systems are this huge?

>>127065775
>righty tighty lefty loosy

Now that's real science

>>127066208
I guess scouting ships would have some use for it

>>127065971
>pirates
>a valid career choice
Find your own pic of Ben

>>127065971
>>127066208

I'm sure the devs haven't thought of this at all and that nothing will be in place in the game to stop ships

>>127066882
>>127065971

Tractor beams are planned

>>127055404
inb4 freelancer fags think they should have just as good a view

proper freelancer crew complement:
front left seat: pilot
front right: navigator/operations
back left: port turret
back right: starboard turret
and a fifth riding bitch in the aft manned turret

>>127067671
And you can't use them on ships moving under their own power because it would rip the thing right out of its hardpoint

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>>127065632
>People complained how shitty those guns sticking out on the sides of the nose looked compared to the wing mounts

>CIG makes the wing guns stick out more in response.

Are we going to be able to change the paintjobs on our ships? I got the AMD Mustang, and I'm curious if I'll be stuck as a flying ad.

>>127068643

Is that actually confirmed?

It wouldn't surprise me if they introduced a weapon similar to the suckerpunch but more effective

>>127068973
Get a free ship, maybe you deserve to be a flying ad.

>>127068973
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras

>>127069058
Tractor beams in-universe are normally used for attracting smaller objects. Unless the target ship is COMPLETELY disabled the device will overheat and be damaged. They talk about all this in the $3.5 mill letter.

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After the Freelancer fiasco I'm taking a serious look at CCUing to the Redeemer.

>>127069391
>Get a free ship, maybe you deserve to be a flying ad.
Yeah, I'm not complaining about it really. I can always buy another ship in-game. I'm just curious what paint-job options are planned.

>>127069462
Thnx. Guess I could switch it to a Gamma. I think I'll stick with my flying ad though.

>>127069474

So? Get 4 cutlasses to tractor beam a freelancer

its like elephant hunting

>>127054828
It's fine when you use it in terms of a business deal.

When people are working a support engineering gig and use it you get the feeling they're up their own ass.

This is the kind of guy who goes to the company gym and namedrops about talking to X or Y project manager, but somehow can't seem to learn what's going on within our own group.

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>>127069736
>Cutlass
Good luck with that

>>127069490
you're just going to be complaining about it not being a space superiority platform again.

>>127070171

Get a shield and a flare

Solved.

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>>127069490
>buying a ship designed after a whale
don't do it.

>>127070236
He didn't say the Constellation :^)

>>127070336
its ironic really.

>>127063372
Not him, but I heard they carried over most of HW2's mechanics in general?

So it's back to shitty parade formations and queued attack orders like every other piece of shit post-Starcraft RTS instead of claw formations and bandbox orders.

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>>127070236
At least he'll be able to see out it, and no one will say it's a civilian cargo hauler

>>127070704
You still have formations so you can use the claw or whatever, but I think the engine bugged it out. A group of destroyers, frigates and support ships will see the support ships flying ahead and beyond the group rather than staying with them.

They just ported HW1 to HW2 engine which led to some of HW2 mechanics leaking in

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>>127070379
But that's exactly what the Connie is right now.

>>127070975
>No VR headset
>>>>>>No Citizen card on display

>>127071930
Great chub and tuck though

>>127070975
>keyboard isnt on a pullout tray, hidden underneath the desk
>he needs to look at this keys to type

>>127072286
>keyboard isnt on a pullout tray, hidden underneath the desk
That is the most uncomfortable way to hold your hands while typing. Even if it's pulled out they're too low and shitty. Just shitty.

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>>127070975
Built for sex.

>>127072539
>too low
sounds like a problem with your desk's height

>>127070820
Even if it's a cargo hauler, that is no excuse for the vision slit.

If it was a tank, OK.

>all the starter ships have a wide canopy

>>127050062
Mustang is right answer.

>>127070975
>spaceships were a mistake

>final component needed to build my new desktop supposed to arrive today
>it didnt
>no mail delivery tomorrow
>stuck with 20 fps star citizen until saturday

Why is the USPS so ass

>>127074298
>fidelity was a mistake

>>127074829
>stuck with 20 fps star citizen until saturday

Considering its pretty much bottlenecked to that entirely separately to your hardware means who gives a shit

>>127074989

I'm not sure what you are saying

I realize PU frames are always gonna be bad but they dont have to be this bad

>>127053553

I dunno man. I think dev tools eat quite some power and given that he ran twice instances, one nyx, one selfland hangar, that's fine..

>>127075196
I'm saying that you'd be playing it at 20fps regardless of it you got it now or saturday

oh, and nice blogpost

>>127075274

Why would that be the case

And thank you

>>127075274
quit being a faggot. you sound like an anime poster.

>>127075425
Because its bottlenecked by the servers to that level.

>>127075440
Hi CIGDF

>>127075514

implying im even reaching bottlenecked fps

>>127056805
I'm still a little upset that we didn't see any Interceptors. I mean they were phasing them in at Endor.

>>127075514
>CIGDF
am i supposed to know what that means

>>127075906
>no Y-wings
>no A-wings
>no TIE Interceptors
>no TIE Bombers
>no B-wings
>no TIE Advanced
I am very upset

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>>127075906
>>127076682
Gotta differentiate from the prequel weirdness, the average viewer only knows base TIE and X wing

>>127077018
>just got to have a droid on the ship because the X-Wing did it
>ignore the fact the X-Wing droid was in a central position that could reach important systems

>>127077018
They could have at least thrown in a new ion panel shape for the spec ops TIE.

>>127077162
>just got to have weird triangles on the edgy interceptor version
>ignore the fact that TIE hexagons were integral to their systems

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>>127077162
more like ignore the fact that theres no way they could physically fit in that skinny wing.

>>127077297
Yeah I didn't even know it was a spec ops TIE. The shape just screams cannon fodder grunt TIE which it kinda was. Seriously didnt that guy ace status himself in 4 seconds. I mean best Resistance fighter ok but thats going to far.

>>127077162
The whole "repair droid tinkering with shit around it" makes no godamn sense in the first place, anon.

>Oh fuck, one of our engines is hit, in a place 3/4 times further than the reach of the droid
>Don't worry, I'll just fuck with some cables next to me, not like that could be automatic

>>127077397
Looking at the CGI in still frame really makes you realize how bad it was huh

>>127077162
>>127077397
>>127077760
Aren't they there for navigation?

>>127077896
Yes, because it's vitally important that a starfighter's navigation computer be able to leave the ship, roll around, beep, and shock things.

HOLUP

A couple of serious questions from a noob.

-How do I pull out my side-arm
-How do I pull out my arm UTI thing
-Is there a quick way to go from supercruise to normal speed.

It's weird it seems like I can either go to 2000kph but I tap V and I'm down to 50.

That is all and happy new year.

>>127078038
The solution to all your problems is right alt-backspace

>>127078038

1. you have to grab one in korea (Security port karea) then hit 1

2. i dont know what that is

3. exit super cruise, reverse direction, commence super cruise, may result in black out

>>127077994
I think that's for if the pilot changes ship

>>127078218
>. you have to grab one in korea (Security port karea) then hit 1

You start with a pistol you mongoloid

>>127078218
>doesn't know you have a pistol on spawn
The game is called Star Citizen Alpha 2.0 have you played it?

>>127078326
>>127078319

well then i second his question because 1 does nothing

>>127078428
Have you tried leaving the Port Olisar Armistice Zone that explicitly prevents you from using any weaponry

You should know how to leave Port Olisar, yes?

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>>127078428

>>127078218
I mean the arm-mounted UI thing.

Also does it do anything worthwhile?

>>127078710
>>127078669

You guys are really hostile over nothing, calm your autism.

>>127078712

F8 F9 or F10, maybe F11, I don't really remember.

>>127079153
>Its one of the keys on your keyboard, I'm helping!

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>>127079198

Better than shitposting desu

>>127078712
f9.
it opens up email thingy and quest log.
so nothing right now.

ded

>>127084365
bed

>>127085590
ved

>>127087549
kwa

senpai

>>127084365
/scg/ is full of dads who needs to celebrate new-years with their kids

>>127088835
n-no

>>127088835
Joke's on you, no woman would ever want my seed.

>>127088835
This. No Freelancer captain tears to drink.

>>127089480
Jokes on you, I turned my freelancer into a super hornet.

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>>127054089
B-wing: Reliant Tana?

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>>127089553
>I turned my freelancer into a super hornet
What a pleasant development for CIG's financial situation.

I wonder who could be behind the situation that makes people do this.

>>127088835
I actually just got back from having too much to drink and I have no children.

I wouldn't really come down on bro dads though, they basically funded this game.

Also how does the west coast of the US celebrate New Years when the Eastern Coast basically has it on lock down? Do you faggots celebrate at 9?

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>>127089805
No, not really.

>>127089990
A MIS and a SH are the same price, sheckleburgstien

>>127090171
Oh. I didn't really notice that.

I never thought mny people bought a MIS, but igues those who did all have a SH now.

>>127089805
Aesthetically yes, in terms of role it'd be the Lightning I guess.

All this is weird anyway because the UEE is more like the Empire than the Rebel Alliance.

>>127077994
It's an astromech, bru.
It's like a Swiss Army knife with a compass.

>>127090063
Same way you celebrate after the Kiwis already crushed it.

>>127054089
TIE fighters are more like Scythes, TIE Advanced being Glaives.

>>127089553
>He bought into the Meme Hornet after hopping off Train Meme Superiority

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>>127096854
Yep, and then I'll probably spend five bucks to get a Meme POTATO once it's flyable. Then unless that ship absolutely wows me, I'll probably just melt it and buy a cheaper, more practical ship instead.

>>127097686
Why does everyone call this the AEGIS POTATO anyway?

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>>127097890
there was a text fuck up when the concept sale for it went up and the sabre was called the POTATO in the copy on the pledge page.

happy jew year

is it me or is the avenger"s bbrrrtt really inaccurate?

Is there something wrong with the launcher?
Every time I try and update something, it works for a minute and then my internet drops to nothing and the download speed goes to kb/s
I limited the launcher to 8mb/s but it keeps happening

So if the freelancer mis is a "combat ship" does that make a starfarer-g a "heavy combat ship"?

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/scg/ I have a problem. My New Years resolution is to spend less money on jpeg ships.

>>127104270
>So if the freelancer mis is a "combat ship"

According to who?

>>127104638
i'm just trying to start shit sempai

Cutlass or cheapest Hornet pls halp

>>127104708
>Me too. I know we need all the shitposts we can get to keep this general afloat while the americlaps are asleep.

>>127104898
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

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>>127104790
Get the Hornet. The consensus is that the Cutlass is ass.

The Cutlass can't fight. Its x-box huge cross section means you are going to take hits, fucking thing is like a flying barn. You maneuvering thrusters are too easy to take out so you will end up spinning helplessly when you lose them and you will loose them because of their placement on the hull. Small cargo hold for the price of the ship. Also most likely you will be KoS by player characters because of the Cutlass being a dedicated pirate boat: Who thought that was a good idea?

The Hornet is pretty much done as well. It can take hits really well, good shields and seemingly robust systems means it can survive a few hits. It is maneuverability albeit it isn't that fast in a dead run compared to other ships, but you dont have to worry about spinning out of control when one of your thrusters gets blown off. It mounts good weapons that all can gimble if you get the canard turret, now if only CiG put the main turret into the shop so I can equip it instead of the store all.

Be a Hornet fag and drink Cutlass baby tears.

>>127105872
Thanks. Does hornet get molested by Gladius? I see it occasionally on forums- or is it just shit hornet pilots?

>>127105986
almost all hornet pilots are complete shit

>>127046914
is it confirmed that the cash shop in UED is staying post-release?
if so the p2win drones will never stop crying and I will be one of them.

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>>127105986
Most Hornet pilots are shit. Right now I wouldn't worry too much about how the ships perform versus each other since, you know, alpha and all that. But the Cutlass has just been a turd ever since its inception. I mean look at those fucking engines you lose one of those fucking things and there goes a HUGE portion of your maneuvering power. Cutlass fags have been crying for a whole year that their ship is awful and it will continue to be awful since CiG has yet to indicate they will do any work to it. Mean while the Hornet functions in its intended role if you are not a retard. I have no idea what role the Cutlass is supposed to fill, other than inducing buyers remorse in the pilot.

>>127106403
you are capped on buying cash to some marginal shitter amount.

>>127106403
You'll still be able to buy UEC post-release, at least, that was the plan for them to cover server costs
not that we know if anything has changed since they have gotten 100 mil

>>127106403
It is. Chris stated a few times you can buy UEC for real money. In limited amounts in a certain time frame like 30k UEC every 30days or some such bullshit.

>>127106472
>>127106078
Any tips for the hornet then?
Only flight game I've played is War Thunder and IL2

>>127106607
Don't joust.
Use your fat ass to powerslide circles around your target while keeping 100% uptime on your guns.

>>127106538
>server costs
i hate this meme.
literally pennies to them.

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>>127106472
What IS the Cutlass for, anyways?
I mean it looks cool, and that version reminds me of pic related, but what is it FOR

>>127046914
Can I do anything with rental ships besides ac stuff?

>>127107037
Just AC at the moment, Anon.

>>127106929
It's a moderately armed pickup truck that fails at Gary Stu-ing.
You MIGHT be able to put up a fight. And if you win you can carry away the loot, unlike lone fighters.
Also it's supposed to have a docking collar to board larger crafts.

>>127106865
well that and all the running costs after the "game" is a thing
Really we don't know anything about their plans now that they have a fucking 100 mil
>>127106929
>>127106472
Really, the Drake lineup needs a rework, they introduced the Caterpillar as the "evil twin to the Freelancer" when it's well, a fucking caterpillar which isn't remotely similar to the Freelancer aside from holding cargo and now it's in 300i levels of being forgotten

>>127107153
>>127107162
So what do you think it SHOULD be for?
Gunship/Boarding?
Heavy Cargo Fighter?
Ambulance/Fireship?

Alright thanks guys I got the hornet package. inb4 regrets.
Time to test it out in AC.

>>127107439
I don't think any ship should fulfill any particular role aside from the large ones, I mean, for small ships they should just design variants, like a Reliant/Aurora variant for the mining starter ship, if we have a ship at every size that is the most effective at its designated role it'll just make variants useless

Rant over, back to the question, it is supposed to be a pirate fighter, but then we have no idea how would piracy actually turn out in game so it's hard to "fix" it

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>>127106929


I believe it was designed to be a light cargo hauler with some guns for self defense. But it was sold as a, nudge and a wink, pirate ship. The idea being you fly in, open comms, say stand and deliver, and promptly get your ass kicked because you ship was designed by a retard. Go watch the two commercials that have Cutlasses in them and the ship has nothing going for it.

https://youtu.be/vO7RxsZpcKc
It gets BTFO in the Freelancer commercial.

https://youtu.be/qE7TFnSl9y4
In its own commercial it manages to out maneuver a Vanduul Scythe which just about any ship can do. Doesn't fire a fucking shot. And is flying by someone with a Tumbler account.

>>127107439
I don't know what role the ship is going to fulfill in the verse. They could have wrote it up as a utility craft that has a nasty habit of turning up as a technical, pic related, in small militias and pirate armies, look up the Toyota Wars a perfect cross for the Cutlass. My fix for it?

Its sold as a cheap utility ship with a lot of mod potential. One variant has a lot of hull armor and powerful engines for working in dangerous environments, has potential for modding into a Technical. Another var has a modest cargo cap with nothing but engines; sold as a ambulance, possible mod into a high speed smuggling ship or interceptor. Another var has a good sensor, cargo cap, and mods for Search and Rescue ops, possible mod into boarding ship.

You just have to think of a legit ship that can be modified into a nefarious purpose. I like the idea of a Flashfire mount giving the Cutlass an S4 fixed. Which fits the Technical theme rather well.

>>127107439
Honestly?
It's already an Ambulance and Police ship.
The Cutty Black is just an Armed Cargo ferry.
For some reason people think Pirate = Fighters.
Cutlass's in groups will probably be successful hunting larger ships, decked out in suckerpunches and other non-lethal guns, boarding them via docking, and carting off the goods.

>>127107829
>>127107934

Never really interested in the Cutlass to begin with so I headed over to CiG and they pretty much have the same idea I had for the ship. Too bad those fucking engines still kill the design.

>>127107653
what the fuck the 8 missiles the hornet has are dumbfire ones. what the fuck am I going to do with these

>>127109316
tickle a connie :^)

>>127109316
Its a known issue. The missiles should lock and track but they don't. Missiles are awful atm on all ships anyways so don't sweat it.

Can someone explain to me how the cost of $110 USD for a ship in game is justified?

That's like twice the cost of a triple A game
I mean yeah, the effort gone into each ship is impressive, but worth maybe $10 ontop of the cost of the base game.

Weren't we supposed to be able to use ingame currency to buy new ships? How do you justify anything other than a massive grind that takes 500 years of ingame play to buy one of these ships to the guys who paid $110 for them? How?

>>127109884
You can get the game for $45. Wait. And then earn your damn ships.

Almost every page tells you that pledging now isn't needed. It's a "thank you" for continued support, knowing full well that these ships will be earned ingame at reasonable timescales (CR said a Connie would take only a couple days of grind -- for instance).

PLEDGE shop is fully optional. You do not need to PLEDGE for the ships. PLEDGE shop is being taken down during BETA. People buying ships pry much only have the added benefit of a full hangar at launch with minimal funds (unless they own a fuckton of starter packs that they CCU'd) & LTI which is a minor convenience.

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>>127109884
>>Can someone explain to me how the cost of $110 USD for a ship in game is justified?

Its not. But it doesn't stop people from spending 1,000 on candy crush, or clash of clans, or planetside 2, or mechwarrior online, or Diablo 3's real money auction house. People will still buy Star Wars: Battlefront's 60 USD season pass, or Elite Dangerous Horizons which is a thinly veiled season pass for a empty and broken game. Everything is fuck and awful, Anon. You are the only sane one in this thread you should leave now before you are forced to buy over priced jpeg starships.

>>127110196
As long as I can earn the exact same ships in game and there's not a back lash from all those people who dropped $275 on a constilation and $90 on a gladius and earning these ships isn't millions of hours of game play I can live with that.

>>127110204
How
How am I the only sane one.
I mean, it's new years day and I'm pretty fucking drunk at the moment

>>127047614

Oh look it's another faggot who honestly thinks making aliens with random body parts makes sense. Maybe you should go study some evolutionary biology instead of jerking yourself off.

>>127110524
>This nigga actually thinks that the octopus doesn't threaten our position as the dominant species

>>127109884

>Can someone explain to me how the cost of $110 USD for a ship in game is justified?

It's justified because all the ships are available in-game for in-game credits. This game is crowdfunded. You pay in $110 you get a nice space ship for your money. Don't want to pay $110? Don't pay $110. Nobody said you had buy the nice ships with real money to get them.

We have gone over this a hundred thousand times and people just can't seem to get through their heads. There is no major publisher funneling money into this game. There is no established industry giant channeling 100 million fucking dollars toward Chris Roberts. We fund this game with our money.

Is the MANTIS GT-220 on a gimble by itself? If I put it on my hornet is it fixed?

>>127110654
Look, that kinda makes sense, but you can't also tell me that there isn't something a little fucked up with that.

If it's not pay to win then these guys paid a lot of money for these ships, and whatever you say they aren't paying for the game any more, it's funded and done, they're paying for the ships.
If it is pay to win then that fucking sucks.

They way they've gone about this is completely fucked and injustifiable for one cohort. I don't give a shit what the defense is, the sales pitch is "here, gib shekels and you get this ship in game." which you do, but you expect shekels to equal time invested in this game and $275 is an unresonable amount of time to invest to your average player.

Some one is getting fucked here anon, stop pretending like they're not.

>>127110927

>Some one is getting fucked here anon, stop pretending like they're not.

Yeah I'll tell you who is getting fucked: The Big Publisher-controlled video game industry. They wish they could rake in 100 million dollars in a few years by showing some pretty JPGs to a bunch of slavering fucking nerds with too much disposable income.

Look, ask yourself this question: How do you pay to win a multiplayer sandbox game?

Let's use EVE Online as an example. You can buy $300 worth of PLEX, sell it all in-game for credits, and then buy up super great ships and parts with money you essentially paid to get. Are you now paying to win? No, you're not.

Why not, you ask? Because it has been proven time and again that a bunch of drooling idiots in cheap garbage ships can swarm literally -anything- to death. Goon Swarm throws billions of ISK worth of ships piloted by their Corporation's members at larger expensive ships with stupid powerful Dead Space modules and still come away with a profit. Keep in mind, the vast majority of Goon Swarm members are basically impoverished by EVE Online standards, and yet they can tear the ass out of anyone who drops hundreds of dollars on a suped up Mega-Ship.

Star Citizen won't be any different. If you're in a smaller, cheaper ship you can run away from anybody who fucks with you and people are less likely to do so. If you're in a bigger, more expensive ship that can shoot down a half dozen Hornets you're a great big juicy chicken just waiting to be plucked and boiled.

>>127110927
If they're unattainable and only available via Cash Shop or via Pre-Order only bonus, then it's a crock of shit. But they're none of those things.

People who bought all these ships have paid a very large premium (mostly) knowing full well that it was for stuff that'll be pretty attainable in the final product.

>it's funded and done
Sadly this is a retarded idea assuming there's a point where taking in money should stop. CIG's a for-profit entity. People want to throw money at them so they can look at pretty jpegs while keeping the machine chugging along.

People are willing to keep funding in droves. Otherwise, this business model would have failed long long long ago.

The only people getting fucked are the people who believe they "NEED" to buy a better ship because they believe the pledge shop is the final-release cash-shop.

>>127111385
I think you're applying very EVE-specific logic to a game that won't play by those rules at all.

>>127110731
nothing comes pregimbal.
its all about the turret mounts
check yours on the holotable

>>127111405
>The only people getting fucked are the people who believe they "NEED" to buy a better ship because they believe the pledge shop is the final-release cash-shop.
so everyone in the thread?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WTD4-OgmXQ6J2reDSJU3bFXGNgdpLbAjPLnltdLxSbU/edit#gid=530030927

Not looking great for the Vanguard gat. Looks like they're going to make the projectiles slow as balls.

>>127111385

There is a big difference between shiny ships that are lost forever once killed and getting unlimited supply of capital ships (that even come with some basic weapons).

>>127115386
You talking about LTI?

Because the replacement times on larger ships is going to be a long fucking time, and the cost to actually refit them from what you get back is going to be 2-3x the cost of the hull itself.

Its hardly an unlimited supply.

>>127115552

Sadly we don't know the detailed in-game pricing yet, so we can only speculate. I'm just trying to say that LTI is a very risky thing and must be carefully balanced if they don't want to turn this game into a wallet simulator. What's worrying is that they sell more than just beefed up starter ships like during the initial crowd funding. Many groups will start with several capital ships on DAY ONE, how are similar sized groups with only starter ships supposed to compete?

>>127109880
If it's a known issue why isn't it ever listed under known issues in patch notes?

>>127115552
>le 2012 limited supply insurance meme

Go back to RSI, grandpa.

>>127115552
>is going to be a long fucking time
They've never discussed any specifics about it. Fact is, the hull itself (which is already expensive to begin with), is basically permanently yours. In eve online you lose it and get a pitiful amount of money back from "insurance".

Cost to refit them is a valid point, but the same goes for eve online m8, so that's moot.

>>127115901
>Many groups will start with several capital ships on DAY ONE, how are similar sized groups with only starter ships supposed to compete?


Many groups start with heavy bombers day one, that are going to be far better fitted / closer to optimal than a stripped down Idris or Javelin.

All the impression I've got from SC and Chris talking about it so far is that a big ship is just one tool in your box, and by no means equals an 'I win' button, no matter how many free hulls you get.

>>127116714
>Many groups start with heavy bombers day one, that are going to be far better fitted / closer to optimal than a stripped down Idris or Javelin.

and what about groups with just auroras? Don't they matter too?

>>127116797
Of course they do.

Why is that even relevant, though

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>>127111385
>Look, ask yourself this question: How do you pay to win a multiplayer sandbox game?

>>127116797
>Don't they matter too?
Only if the game lets you strap a cargo box filled with explosives to them in order to turn them into cheap ghetto torpedoes.

>>127117598
>everything must be viable in combat!

>>127117931
> pffft it's just an aurora, shoot the real fighters instead
> aurora pulls up next to your capital ship
> the doors open
> a million niggers EVA out of the aurora and board your capital ship

Could be fun.

>>127118096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEQE73RRtz8

an Aurora full of BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

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>>127115034
still faster than the mantis or the gladius' gatling gun.

Lord, I would kill for a Gladius variant with larger wing mounts and no nose gun.

>>127118096
>the capital ship will be sitting still
>it will have no turrets
>it will also have no escort
>it will have no shields

>even then, the people EVAing will somehow get inside of the ship in some way

Sounds funny, but it's basically impossible.

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>>127115034
>KRIG Tigerstreik T-21
>420 dps

feels good and people still complain that the Avenger hasn't got a big gun.

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>>127118308
the people who complain don't care about stats, they just want something that looks stupidly xboxhuge dangling under their ship.

>>127118540
That would look more stupid than it already looks.
I wish they would redesign the front of the Avenger, nose hardpoint looks so retarded.

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>>127118540
>Ship dick

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>>127118663
the avenger's probably the only aegis ship where the nose gun looks sort of okay. Probably because they made some of the gun's housing part of the actual ship model. The Vanguard's and Gladius' chin guns are just god awful awkward looking things that look like they're held on by a tiny bolt.

They keep defending the look by bringing up the A-10's nose gun, but the A-10's gun barely even sticks out of the ship

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>>127119202
Closer to an attack helicopter cannon, if anything.

>>127119353
I have a soft spot for anything that an old gi joe toy was based off of.

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>>127119202
if the A-10 was designed by CIG, they'd have this entire gun just hanging out under the plane, held on by a tiny screw

>>127119629
>they got the smallest car in the lot to compare it to

so insecure

>>127119202
you know, if they went the way of the A 10 that would be kinda cool.

Leave the ship pretty much as is and move the gun up so that the barrel passes through the cockpit off set to one side, and on that side have no insturments, just a big old tube covered in cooling pipes and an arm rest for the pilot.

>>127121771
It would make that long ass hallway between the pilot seat and the rest of the ship make sense at least.

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>>127120241

Its just an average european car anon

>>127065971
>wants to be a pirate
>wants an easy life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQKZdjf9FJU

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>>127119202
the Merlin has a nice nose gatling but it SUCKS

Why do I have 21000 UEC?..

>>127125076
Milestone rewards

>>127125218
With the ref program? I..can't recall giving my code out.

>>127125305
No, not from the ref program

>>127115386

> shiny ships that are lost forever once killed

There are no ships that are lost forever once killed. Zero, nada, none. Insurance works for everybody. The only difference between standard insurance and LTI is that you don't have to pay like 200 UEC every in-game month to have your super expensive ship replaced six times a day.

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>>127124710
I hope they'll resurrect the old P52 as another old parasite ship from Kruger. I liked the retro dirty look it had.

>>127125814

That's Drake's schtick. Wait for the Dragonfly.

>>127125814
There's obviously going to be skins like the current Aurora ones

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>>127125850
I mean look at the P72, it's in the same category as the X85 now, the new P52 is also quite sexy, we need an old rugged ship from Kruger.

I'd rather see older in-lore ships get released than new fancy ones from now on.

how do I reset the fucking controls, something fucked up and I can't even fly the fuckingthings anymore

>>127126250

That's probably exactly what we'll get. We've pretty much worked our way up through the whole size spectrum once the Corvette gets put out. They can shit out smaller ships pretty quickly now that they've got their design process nailed down. We'll probably see stuff like the Wildcat, the Dragonfly, the Terrapin, and a Salvage Tug. Some more Xi'an ships maybe, and a couple of smaller Banu ships.

>>127126458
Give me the old RSI ships which preceded the Aurora, or the hunk of junks from ye olde verse.

>>127126458

>We've pretty much worked our way up through the whole size spectrum

Sorry I should clarify: Assuming CIG wasn't bullshitting us when they said the Javelin was the biggest ship they'd ever sell, we have worked our way up the whole size spectrum with the exception of Capital Ships that are not available for purchase like Cruisers and Battleships.

>>127126451
rebound the keys and it's still fucked

what the hell this game is driving me insane

Cruisers - 4.5m stretch goal
Battlecruisers - 17m goal

Anyone know how big these will be?

I pledged 60 bucks to the kickstarter 3 years ago, but never linked the pledge to my account because I wasn't following development. Problem is that because of the holidays the customer service is down until the 4th, and even after that they say it takes an average of 3 days to close a ticket.

Well I don't want to wait that long, what would I get if I were to buy a cheap package and then waited for them to give me my pledge items?

>>127127642
The game isn't coming out in a week Anon.
Just wait.

>>127127642
I think you'd just be waiting for shitty cosmetics for your hangar, unimplemented FPS items, and some credits to buy ship weapons with.
Really not worth buying into the game twice though, alpha is buggy and slow.

>>127110927
are you done yet bait-sempai?
or maybe you should go make a concern thread

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>>127128012
>02:49:00

I'd say he's done by now.

>>127128012
>pay2notgrind

>>127127642
45 dollars are the cheapest packages. Just wait for support. At this point most people's PCs can barely run the alpha.

>>127127131

>10k$ battlecruisers

can't wait, gonna sell my car to fund it!

>>127127131
Hopefully like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de78Odrw6KE

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A couple of questions fellow citizens.

A: What is the best way to bro-op? I don't have an org and don't have any "friends". How do you add friends? I also don't own any multi-crew ships so I'm just hoping to be a turret gunner on somebody's ride.

B: Is there a list of emoticon commands?

C: Can you currently link up with another ship? Like be in tandem Like two Auroras going on an adventure?

If you answer these, thank you.

>>127129950
>2 capitals jump out next to each other and fire squirt guns at each other while completely stationary for 6 minutes until the guy realizes they aren't doing damage to each other and stops recording

awesome

>>127127131
Fuck, we really haven't seen any ordinance based cap ships other than the dreadnought have we?So that's still a corvette, a cruiser and a battlecruiser (battleship?) that all need to be designed and built.

>>127129950
I haven't played this game, but what is with all the squiggly lines all over the cockpit? Is it the UI indicating shots fired or tracers, or is it some kind of graphical glitch?

>>127130434
>I'm just hoping to be a turret gunner on somebody's ride.
And either hopping in a fighter to escort ships that need protecting, or doing manual labor roles like a pleb :^|

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/15062-Ship-Repair-And-Maintenance

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14522-Star-Citizen-Careers-Mining

>Is there a list of emoticon commands?
Yes :^)

>Can you currently link up with another ship? Like be in tandem Like two Auroras going on an adventure?
Yes :^o

>>127130713
Which squiggly lines?

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>>127115034
>RSI_BallisticRepeater_S9
>1000mm_AMMO

>>127131684
RSI is absolutely full retard when it comes to scaling though.

The Mantis is meant to be a 20mm cannon but looks like its meant to be chambered in fucking beer cans

Squadron 42 ep1 when?

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>>127131684
bbbrrrRRRRRRRRRRTTTT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAkzrxN5Jn0

>>127132126
Not for a while hopefully.
I don't want something half assed with the game in this shape.

>>127132441
The nice thing at least is that we know that SQ42 will be smooth as fuck in terms of FPS.

>>127132669
Why do we know that?

>>127132669
Yeah... What >>127132754 said.

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Is there any word on who the corvette manufacturer will be?

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>>127132970
Pretty sure it's Aegis.

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>>127132754
>>127132908

>>127132970
If it's fucking Aegis I'll cry

>>127132970
Idris is Aegis, no?

Also Aegis has that evil past with muh oppressive regime so they probably have all the facilities

>>127132970
Best choice would be RSI or anvil or both (like how beagle carrier is RSI+anvil)

>>127133136
RSI would be nice I think, though we do already have the constellation, and Anvil has the Carrick in that exact size bracket.

RSI need more ships though, so it should be that.

>>127133914
Isn't the Constellation already Corvette class?

>>127134115
Noway near. Corvette is around the size of the Carrack and upwards. Think at least 3 Constellations stuck together.

>>127133914
I think it should be Drake just because it would be amusing for orgs who would probably hate pirates
Or Origin, I liked the concept of an Origin military ship in TNGS, I think either of those could use ships more badly than RSI
Actually, make it Consolidated Outlands

>>127134183
hm, I don't really this the min tonnage of a corvette was established in the SC universe yet

But in theory, anything thats too small to be a frigate or Destroyer could be classified as a Corvette

On top of that the intended role matters more than the size, in the end

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>>127134183
Here is an illustration of the size of a corvette in SC

>>127134367
Origin is a nice idea actually, though I guess the JUMP is near enough that?

>>127134514
>But in theory, anything thats too small to be a frigate or Destroyer could be classified as a Corvette

Not really, unless you are just interested in your own headcanon. We have an established size for something that IS a corvette, and plenty of smaller ships that have never been called corvettes by CIG like the carrack. Corvettes are traditionally seen as one step down from a frigate, that seems to be the case in SC too.

>>127135035
so what class is the Constellation?

>>127134514
>ship has never been called a corvette
>no ship anywhere near that size has ever been called one
>corvettes are never that fucking small in anything ever
>we have one size that we KNOW is acceptable as a corvette and its many times larger
>herp derp it's a corvette!

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>>127135163
Light freighter.

Here's another shot of what a corvette apparently is in Star Citizen.

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>>127135163
Family RV class