/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #266

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>>125867136

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Cuteposting then.

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>>125867226

>>125867059
kek. Michel should see this pic

Why is KateMarshFan a big deal?

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>>125867370
Not a big deal, but a reminder of better, more innocent times.

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>>125867059
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!) (thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't doe,or butterfly,bluejay or even shit.
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's Chloe just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it.
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget

>>125867059
Cunts... what the fuck
I laughed really fucking hard but I have no clue what you've been smoking

>>125867059
>9000 pixels long
you are just not cut out for the meme life

>>125867582
dude you are really persistent with this autistic pasta

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>>125867561
We were younger.

>>125867238
Tradition goes a long way

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>>125867321
Probably does, too.

>>125867582
This is good pasta

>>125868217
Tripping me out. I'm pretty sure that top left pic is my big sister.

>>125868059
>>125868321

well who fucking cares anons? he's right. at least it's just a reminder for newfags about episode 5

>>125868059
I think its caps anon approved man, there is no higher stamp of quality. Good pasta.

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>>125868217
But anon, if I am interested in time travel, this does not mean I can time travel

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>This is the last decision

Does it redeem episode 5?

>>125868373
How can you not definitely know whether someone is your sibling from a photo like that. Anyway, cute eyes.

>>125867779
Actually, I have no idea why i did this and wtf is going on in this pic either.

>>125868059
Well... you are right. :)

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>>125869063
>Same with Intervene/ Don't Intervene option

we found it first
we talked about it first

>>125853385
>>125860376

>they were really surprised by how much people got attached to the characters

This is obviously something that writers and developers say all of the time to be modest. They aren't just going to say 'yeah we knew everyone would love all our excellent characters, of course, duh'.

The devs have said from the beginning that their intention was to create a story about characters and their personal struggles and that the supernatural stuff was just incidental in order to create gameplay and be extra elements for the character development. The title screen of the game even has links to bully hotlines for people who feel the characters too much and need help dealing with their feelings. So obviously they were expecting people to connect with the characters. You're trying to flip that on it's head for some reason and act like it was the opposite, but I don't see much, if any, reason to believe that. I know it feels good to accuse dontnod of having no idea what they're doing, but I don't see that here.

>>125869413
>>125869063
Those binary choices!

>>125869063
Nathan fired the gun point blank, not really seeing how Max would jump in and take the bullet.

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Season 2 material right here.

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>>125869669
We've been here before, Max jumps out and screams, Nathan turns around at the sound and pulls the trigger at the motion.

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>>125869816

>>125869816
But that would be an accident. There's no way Max could know that would happen and make the decision to take the bullet.

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>>125869063
>>125869413

>I wish Max wasn't so coward and idiot. bay ending obviously explains it, i remember how i screamed in that scene ''SACRIFICE YOURSELF BITCH WTF ARE U WAITING FOR??!!''

>I wish we didn't get 'muh-drama' endings

>I wish devs were smart, and didn't fuck up everything.

>I wish i could pretend like Episode 5 never happened.

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>>125869934

>>125869981
Wouldn't Max sacrificing herself still brought upon the storm and killed everyone anyway?

>>125869969
>>125870063
Makes as much sense as sacrificing Chloe stopping the tornado desu.

>>125869969
>There's no way Max could know that would happen and make the decision to take the bullet.

well they didn't even explain Max's powers. their explanation's ''Magic Tornado''. so why it wouldn't work, Max saved Chloe, Max used her power,saving Chloe in the first place (also where she 'destined' to use her powers). so if we go with this logic Max's power's causing the storm,right?

>>125870063
Yes, people don't seem to understand Dontnod's logic. Granted, it is shitty logic with plenty of flaws, but they did make it pretty clear that their intention was 'Max activating her powers to change events so that Chloe didn't die' caused the tornado. It didn't matter if she saved Chloe by using the fire alarm, or by taking the bullet herself, she's still altering the original path in a way that would cause the storm.

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>>125870404
Because it's not logical, why the tornado in the AU, why is Chloe so important, why no tornado after a week after saving William, why no tornado after sacrificing Chloe since Max will be making different choices to original timeline Max all the time. WHY CAN'T I FUCKING LET GO.

>>125870404
This.
>>125870642
We know it's not logical, that's not what the anon was questioning. BUT it wouldn't make sense for them to give us that ending after clearly telling us "saving Chloe created the tornado". As stupid as their idea sounds and is, it would be even worse if they broke that rule right after.

>>125870404
>she's still altering the original path in a way that would cause the storm.

Funny and also confusing thing about one of ending is if you sacrificed Chloe, town will be saved but how the fuck we know that tornado won't come back? also Max remembers,knows 'everything' that means she'll keep altering the timeline.
I get it, game's saying ''everything started in the bathroom'' forget about saving William in AU, forget about your why did you get this power, forget about logical things'' ,game's saying this and we can't argue with this shitty writing.

>>125869413
>>125869580
>>Binary Choices
Fuck that, go the dialogue puzzle route, as we also talked about before.

>Intervene triggers final dialogue puzzle, no rewind possible
>Have to reveal knowledge of Nathan's criminal activities, fact Jefferson will turn on him soon.
>But reveal it carefully, in a way that makes him back down, rather than going mad and shooting.
>At the same time, need to be careful not to wind Chloe up (ie insensitive mention of Rachel's death and Nathan being responsible) or she'll become angry enough to attack Nathan
>Multiple possible endings depending on dialogue puzzle
>Bad endings result in Chloe's death and/or Max's death
>Mid-tier ends result in either Nathan being shot, or being convinced to leave them alone and walk out
>High tier ends result in either Nathan agreeing to turn himself in and testify against Jefferson, or shoot Jefferson himself.

>>125871212
Wowsers! I like this.
I love this!

>>125871212
..or we could warn everybody about the tornado
i doubt that that idiots would believe it tho(!) (two moons, snowing, animals are dying..) , but at least that was logical thing to do

>>125870936
>how the fuck we know that tornado won't come back
We don't have enough information to say. If the tornado is purely the environmental/"scientific" consequence of manipulating time (which seems unlikely because cumulative use of her power has no effect on the strength of the storm) and not a product of the will of a higher power, perhaps that storm was always brewing and her powers just sped up the effects.
Perhaps two weeks later Arcadia Bay gets destroyed anyway, and Max breaks down into manic laughter and tears at her own idiocy as the town burns around her.

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>>125871579
>Perhaps two weeks later Arcadia Bay gets destroyed anyway, and Max breaks down into manic laughter and tears at her own idiocy as the town burns around her.

>>125871359
>Go up to police every time you see them in game
>Casually mention you had this awful dream
>First it started snowing, then there was a freak eclipse, then animals started dying everywhere, then Whales beached, then Two moons appear, then Giant Tornado destroys town. Only safe place is near the lighthouse
>First time you tell them is tuesday, they end up thinking bitch is crazy... but it did snow yesterday
>by thursday, police dudes are getting kind of worried
>Max has also caught the town's quasi-sex offender Jefferson
>Freak them out more by guessing a nine digit number they've thought of but haven't told anyone
>by now they either think Max is Jesus or the Devil's daughter.
>mention that with a tornado of EF-4+ magnitude, buildings wont provide shelter, you have to either get underground or out of its way
>Lighthouse was "out of its way" in your dream
>Police decide to evacuate when storm starts to appear, just to be on safe side
>"Slight risk of flooding, best move to nearest high ground (lighthouse lookout point)"

>>125871359
Akl she had to do was to go back to the classroom and tell herself to warn people from the get go. She didn't even have to expose herself. Leaving anonymous messages/graffitti/etc saying something like "there will be snow, an eclipse, whales and birds dying, two moons and suddenly a tornado on Friday" would be enough, then wait as they each come to happen. If by Friday there are still people who haven't left already, they 100% deserve it.

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Reminder to post "Anon's Best Ending"

>>125872415
People still don't heed the evidence that an economic crash of Arcadianado dimensions is near IRL, so....

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>>125867370
I dont even know. I'm seen as the symbol of kindness, but I'm another lost soul.

>>125874279
Good enough!

>>125869110
It's more like, there's an off chance it isn't her... it would be pretty random. Then again, she does do modeling work so I'm pretty sure.

>>125873750
Nobody is willing to give up their welfare from the state and "free" healthcare even though anybody with half a brain can see it's basically a generational pyramid scheme.

People are as shortsighted as they are selfish, nobody lets go and so we all fall together.

>>125874279
Hmmm. Well, if it gives people hope, it's fine by me.

>lost soul

We seem to have a high percentage of those in these threads.

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>>125873208
Previously on "Battlestar Arcadia".

ded

>>125877914
What else is there to discuss. Most of the fanfics that have a following in these threads are dead as fuck at the moment because fanfic authors don't work on the holidays.

>>125877914
My /lisg/ is not dead, only resting. Recharging batteries. Pining for Arcadia Bay.

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>>125875730
> lost soul
Guilty as charged

>>125867059
>michelisstrange.ipg

cunt anon why

>>125870404

I think the problem most people have with accepting that logic is because Dontnod change the rules as they go. The AU where you save William is pure butterfly effect stuff. You change something and it has a logical chain reaction leading to an unexpected outcome. With that they established before episode 5 that changes in the timeline have logical consequences, yet saving Chloe has an unexplained, supernatural consequence.

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>>125878074
ded like kate

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>>125878885
-She answered Jefferson's questions. (pure effect? )

-She saved Chloe in the bathroom. (to game's logic everything has started in there)

-Even she used her powers to make friends. (for example Dana and Juliet's issue)

-She saw Kate's death. She rewound time and after this she realized that she can freeze time. She can save her life or not.

-After these events Max realized that she can focus on photos. She focused on their childhood photo and saved william's life. (Bathroom thing never happened, we never saved Chloe or Kate or she didn't answer Jeff's question)

-After we saved William storm has to hit the town before 5 years (but we saved Chloe every events started at that universe.Well fuck that, it still doesn't make sense we created completely different ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE)

-Then she decides go back into time again and let William to die. And also said to Chloe ''I'll always be with you i'll never abandon you'' (pure effect right)

-Somehow she goes back to time where she saved Chloe. Is it destiny to save her because we already changed that universe, or is it just because shitty writing or magic. Nobody knows.

Bravo Dontnod.

>>125878885
I guess I'm looking at it in a very basic 'was the original timeline (chloe gets shot) messed with, if yes: tornado, if no: no tornado' way, which applies to the AU too, regardless of butterfly effect.
In that case there's clearly some kind of supernatural effect at work, making Warren's 'muh environmental impact' explanation is woe fully insufficient, but the logic itself is consistent enough not to bug me too much.
I know they fucked up with a few things, Max using her power before getting to the bathroom, Max retaining her memories and thus being living proof of the time-fuckery (probably, though I guess you could argue she might have amnesia post-Bay)

>>125879125
B.A.D. W.R.I.T.I.N.G.

Seriously, it's exactly the same effect that you get when you start coding before you have fleshed out the architecture of your software completely. In the end you have an unholy mess that doesn't behave consistently and crashes at random actions, and then the boss goes to the mic and says how proud he is about how everything came together and some budget problems prevented us from adding all the features. Meanwhile users rage in the forums.

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threadly reminder

>>125880889
Let it die, anon. It's for the best.

>>125879125
-Then she decides go back into time again and let William to die. And also said to Chloe ''I'll always be with you i'll never abandon you'' (pure effect right)

When I played through ep 4 and got to that scene I was internally shouting "Max what the fuck are you doing, you're changing time again!". I was totally expecting this to create another chain reaction leading to something entirely unexpected new timeline where Chloe never got shot in the bathroom and as a result Max never reuinited with her in the same way.

But nope, that incredibly ominous and dramatic talk mere hours before William died didn't change anything at all for Chloe. That was the moment where I first started having serious doubts where the story was going, but I ignored them because I was just happy seeing blue Chloe again.

>>125881671
I guess just saying a few words to comfort her didn't have any big impact - Max still 'abandoned' her, she still had to go through everything just the same.
Not every small moment will have a huge impact.
It might have been interesting commentary on how smaller gestures and conversations can be lost in the grand scheme of time, whilst things like someone living or dying will have a significant impact.
Same goes for all the small 'choices' throughout the game But they didn't really bother to say anything meaningful with it.

>>125881671
>>125882498
It's possible that the conversation never occured, Max burns the photo she used while in the past, so she shouldn't be able to actually use it as a focus, she still remembers it since she's immune to time shifts but it never actually happened so it doesn't change anything

>>125882985
When Max goes back in the photo, she temporarely is back in that moment in time where it first happened and can overwrite it. Max was back in her 13 year old body, gave Chloe that talk and burned the photo. The timeline continued from there. The photo not existing doesn't create a paradox because at that point, Max no longer needs the photo to exist in the first place. She already changed what she wanted to change and that's permanent.

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Pricefield

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>>125881671
They could have done so much more. Imagine if Chloe remembered Max's words from that day.
Have them talking about William and then Chloe says "Max, I remember the day my father died. You were acting weird, like you knew something was wrong." And then it hits her that Max DID know something because she went back and changed something, and then had to change it back. And then Max can either hide the truth or come clean about everything.
That would have been a really dramatic and touching scene.
The more I think about it, the more it does seem Dontnod didn't realize just what they had. Never utilizing the full potential and instead just trying to tell some lame, unbelievable, and predictable story with a forced final choice.

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CUTEPOSTING

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2h in yEd, 6/10 would draw again and now I have muscle pain.

Has anyone ever gone so far as to set up a complete diagram of the unholy mess?

>>125887250
It's like they had "directors" from Hollywood pumping from the "Hollywood Good Storytelling" cesspool

>>125889363
Maybe it was Squeenix?

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I found something odd in the file for the character names.

Who the fuck is Hayley?

I am pretty sure that this was added into the files with either EP4 or 5.

>>125888738
Nice work, didn't spot any errors at first glance.
Not sure if it will at all be useful even if we diagram through to the end, but it'd be nice having that out there I guess.

>>125890280
I can't remember many details,

any corrections welcome.

In particular regarding times, even ordering of events etc.

When did Max have the vision where she is told the DAY OF DESTRUCTION?

>>125890670
>When did Max have the vision where she is told the DAY OF DESTRUCTION?
End of Episode 1.

>>125889363
I think they really thought that their endings were good and that people would be moved by them. They got the concept in their head that the final choice would be saving Chloe or AB, but then got so consumed in it that they forgot they had to make that choice actually possible. They were stubborn and wanted people to be sad at the end, thinking it means they did good.
They absolutely refuse to acknowledge any flaw and it really looks like they made the game they wanted. They got the force dilemma and tragedy they wanted at the core, and then blew off everything else.
I'm really thinking it boils down to stubbornness and incompetence than budget issues. Dontnod made a mistake by making the game as good as they did and the ending was correcting that mistake to make it how they always planned. Crap.

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>>125888738
Update for Great Friendship

>>125888738
>>125890670
This is neat anon, I'll look it over and see if anything is off

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>>125894124
Max and Chloe wearing cocktail dresses

>>125893929
>>125894124
Nice.

Draw Max tied up as a present under a christmas tree.

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>>125894615
>Chloe in a dress

Why is there no fanart of it.

I posted in /lisg/ about six weeks along about this game (I said I thought it looked good because it looked like Stand By Me set in Twin Peaks) and I just finished it.

Generally I loved it. Some really interesting plays on convention with the decisions and responses (Being nice to Victoria, for example) and episode four was far and away the best.

Episode five though... What a shiter. Horrendously slow paced and a piss poor final choice. I chose the Bay ending but honestly that was because I cared more about Chloe than Max.

Back to episode four, do people generally considered that to be the best? The opening was phenomenal. One of the best gaming moments of the year for sure.

4>>>3>2>1>>>>>>>>5

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>>125896218
Because it would be too cute. She'd probably hate it until Max said she looked pretty. And even then she would glare daggers/ threaten the first boy that looked at her.

>>125896330
I rate them 1=3 > 4 > 2 > 5

>>125896330
welcome back anon
Bay is generally used to mean sacrifice Chloe, Bae is sacrifice Arcadia

>Back to episode four, do people generally considered that to be the best?
Yes, I agree with you completely. The first segment of the episode (including the 'let william die' focus and Max seeing 'blue' Chloe again) is probably my favourite half hour-or-so of any video game ever.

>>125896330
I'm a bit split on episode 4. On one hand, it's the episode that had the most emotional impact and progressed the story the most, on the other, it also laid bare all the flaws that would lead to the clusterfuck that was episode 5.

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>>125896330
>Back to episode four, do people generally considered that to be the best?

Generally a toss up between 3 and 4, while out of place after Kate's suicide attempt, the pool scene and the morning after win the most comfy feeling in vidya ever, 4 for overall storytelling, AU and mountains (aside from the moments where you're screaming CALL THE COPS at the screen)

>>125896827
Ah, didn't realise that about the ending names. I felt the same relief Max did when you see Chloe back in her room.

>>125896863
Definitely. But isolated it's great. Realising all of my decisions had been made on the assumption it was Nathan and having them all thrown back in my face was a real "oh shit" moment.

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>>125896218
>>125896370

>>125897281
Max is adorable. And that's what I pictured Chloe in, something black. Although I would make it slimmer and have blue sash (Matching her hair) around the waist.

Yeah I'm definitely not an expert but...

Why the fuck didnt DONTNOD start developing this game after completely finishing checking the script instead of just writing it on the go?

A similar thing also happened with The Wolf Among Us if I recall correctly.

Time issues?

>>125897065
The pool scene was really well done. It could have been done so badly but it wasn't. The tone and the lighting were perfect.

The soundtrack was really good too. The Vortex Party was perfect. It really felt like being at a party walking around with that overbearing music. I just wish they didn't continue the whispery voice acting over the music. If they were shouting I can't help but think it would have felt more real and felt like it had more urgency. But that's a minor criticism.

Would you guys buy the International Edition if the characters all look like something out of a JRPG?

>>125897493
Funny thing is, it seemed halfway complete during the developement of Episode 1.
I am currently looking through EP1 files, they had most of the shit up to EP4 written down, EP3 being partially there, they seemed to went "eh who cares" end EP3/beginning EP4.

>>125897493
They only cared about the major picture. That Max saving Chloe caused the storm and she would have to make a choice to accept that or go back and not intervene.
Everything else was a sidepart. Early in the game they handled these well, but towards the end they had to buckle down on finishing the story and dropped whatever was left (Rachel, the Prescotts, why Jefferson was doing what he was, etc.)
They act surprised that people liked the characters as much as they did. Which is an indication they never wanted the focus to be the characters. They only cared about their idiotic plot involving the storm. The success of LiS was a mistake and Dontnod couldn't even capitalize on it by stopping and realizing just what they had.

>>125897858
Writing-on-the-go just seems a very irresponsible and incompetent thing to do.

>>125896627
I dunno why so many people seem to rate 2 the lowest other than 5.

ep 1 was alright, it had it's moments, especially Chloe's room was awesome but ultimately it was really short and rather bland. Ep 2 is what really sold me on this game. That whole segment starting with meeting Chloe at the diner, the junkyard and the traintracks are easily one of my favorite parts of the game.

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>>125867059

I am putting together a flowchart (a-la-/mu/) of music similar to LiS

Currently working on a few different thoughts for the flowchart. If you guys have any ideas, please share. Current plan is 3 categories; Victoriaish, slowcore, and indie pop. To bad I have literally no motivation to work on it...

Pastebin of collected (unsorted) songs so far:
http://pastebin.com/MJrjdDpe

wew, going to a party tonight.
>tfw I'd rather be shitposting on Cantonese fingerpainting whiteboards
Fuck, I'm pathetic

If you want to contribute, please contact me on steam, or reply to this post.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198048865860

not-so Current Pastebin of game's music/progress:
http://pastebin.com/LaUcnMej

Thanks to photoshopgril for putting together the background image and the second chart,
polaroidgril for assembling the album covers/artist names/etc. onto the background image,
Dr. Zaius for helping in general.

I have a torrent of all the games music, Morali's OST, the Vortex Club party, all the licensed songs (most in lossless format), and all the albums they were taken from.

Magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4AF55CE2E1F48771E92E4CCE8E92156EC6A96152&dn=various+artists+life+is+strange+ost+2015&tr=udp%3A%2F%2F9.rarbg.me%3A2710%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337

https://kat.cr/various-artists-life-is-strange-ost-2015-t11495485.html

Alternative download on MEGA, if you get it from here, please add the files to your torrent folder to facilitate easier downloads for others.

https://mega.nz/#F!LtpkTbhD!hjUsXMHSdmQTvzYFz3H7_w

Spotify playlist of the licensed music here:
https://play.spotify.com/user/pieisablessing2me/playlist/0hlcayMf9otvePDw2MZ6qk

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Found these unused images in Episode 1.
They look so dead...

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>>125893330

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>>125898221
>Frank's pic

>>125896330
> I chose the Bay ending
>that was because I cared more about Chloe than Max.

are u sure that you chose Bay ending?

>>125898710
See the third reply to my post. I haven't been reading the threads for spoiler reasons but remember reading "Bay ending" and assumed the alternative is "Chloe ending".

>>125889363
Hollywood cliché time travel tragedies are actually better written than LiSl. It would have improved the game a lot if they had just committed to stealing from one inspiration instead of mixing so many inspirations together.

>>125898047
I didn't hate Episode 2 by any means, it's just it didn't enthrall me as much as the others. I really liked exploring the dorms, the diner scene, and saving Kate. But other than that I didn't feel amazed. The Junkyard was meh (Fuck looking for bottles), the train scene felt forced and gave away very early on that something about Chloe wasn't right (Especially after she shoots herself and you rewind). And looking back having to blame someone in the office means nothing in the long run. Either of the three choices is damning.
Overall I felt like we learned little aside from what Kate tells us where we can start to piece things together. No massive revelations like in the other episodes.

>>125899324
What do you mean something wasn't right? Haven't played it for ages. Also, when does she shoot herself?

>>125899653
I mean that Chloe potentially dying three times over two days may be hinting at that maybe the universe wants her dead. But even that doesn't work because the storm only disappears if she dies at a precise moment in the bathroom. Fucking stupid.
And she shoots herself in the Junkyard. You can tell her to shoot at the car bumper, the bullet ricochets, and then hits her.

>>125900064
OK, I thought that might be what you meant.

Plus the obvious symbolism of her necklace having three bullets. I'm assuming most people picked up on that. Seemed interesting they did that since you can potentially miss one of the times she got shot.

>>125900431
Yeah. Some people also say the rounds on her necklace just means three (unavoidable) deaths in general.
Getting shot by Nathan, Dying in the alternate timeline (Either slowly from her condition or by Max killing her), and then getting shot by Jefferson.
Either way they really tried to drive home the point that Chloe should be dead in Ep2, and I didn't like that because it would mean the storm was caused by saving her. And at the time I figured they wouldn't be that predictable and were trying to lead us on.
I wish I could rewind to back when I still thought that

Welp, digging in EP1 files, I can confirm that all locations were planned since the beginning.
Even the Art Gallery is referenced in one file, having a placeholder picture for the diary locations called "ArtGallery".

>>125900064
Actually universe doesn't try to kill her it's just because she's always in trouble, universe just saying ''you shouldn't've used your power in the first place'' which's stupid as fuck.
And actually goddamn universe tries to kill everyone if we go with this logic (storm's still coming in Episode 4 after Chloe's death, diner's explode, etc.)

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>>125898221
>that frank

>>125900835
Yeah, we know, we had the location leaks since the beginning.
The only ones that changed were:
>removing a 'Jefferson's Car' scene from ep 4 and adding one to ep 5
>a hospital scene being added to episode 4 and one removed from episode 5
>the graveyard scene being added to ep 5
>'Chloe's truck' scene being replayed by 'Jefferson's car' in ep5.
>a 'Nightmare' being removed from ep 3 (between pool and bedroom)

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>>125900957
Even then, Chloe dying from in the Junkyard, from the train, or even from Jefferson doesn't matter because the storm is still coming. For the storm to be cancelled, she HAS to die in the bathroom. Which is fucking idiotic because everyone here already know Max made changes before that.
Not only did I pick to save Chloe because I wanted her and Max to be together, and because it's what Max would pick, I picked it out of spite towards Dontnod for trying to make me believe their "Cause and effect" bullshit. Trying to tell me some changes are fine, but don't even think about saving one girl in one moment. Saving Kate didn't cause anything bad to happen, saving William didn't cause anything supernatural.

Hugged Warren because I was jealous and didn't want him to get a kiss from Max. What did you think of him?

>>125901589
Why? New to these threads. Played the game twice though.

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>>125901423
>asking what /lisg/ thinks of warren 'cuck' Graham

>>125901423
He's the worst character in the entire game and an embarrassing author insert. And he has horrible taste in movies.
I just picked 'Leave' the first time I played that scene because I only had 'Hug' and 'Leave' come up so I assumed hug was the romance option.
Second time I played I gave him a hug because I felt a bit bad about rewinding the diner explosion 5 or 6 times whilst laughing.

>>125896218
Chloe would probably look really good in a dress - it'd hang really well off her tall wiry frame. Maybe she'd wear a single long glove on her right hand, going almost all the way up to her shoulder to hide the tattoo. No matching glove on the left side though, she'd want to leave a subtle reminder to everyone that the tattoo was there, that she was just indulging them in this dress up.

Not sure how she'd handle high heels though. I have an awful image in my head of her ballroom dancing (with Max who'd be wearing a suit, naturally) with the most perfect dress imaginable, demure smile on her face, and extending beneath it a pair of heavy black combat boots.

>>125901393
Also about shooting herself in the junkyard, it's completely determinant,avoidable. Even in my first playthrough i just told her to shoot the Gas Tank (just like gta san andreas Smoke's mission lol) and car exploded she didn't kill herself but no matter what Max saw a vision about tornado again.

>>125901781
Yeah, he was piss poor. Completely unnatural dialogue.

>>125901861
Why is there shitflinging when evidently everybody hates him?

>>125901423
Well anon.. even you kissed him it will not have meaning or importance for Max afterwards. Still chooses Chloe, fantasizes about Chloe in her nightmare, her journal is full of CHLOECHLOE and if you kissed her in Episode 3 she sees her as love route:
>E5_Page08_CLOVE="Chloe is more than my best friend, but who knows how she really sees me? She did dare me to kiss her, but she seemed surprised that I actually did. I am too, but I don't regret it for a second. Maybe that's why I hated watching Chloe being so cruel in the nightmare, calling me names and flirting with all those people... I was surprised that it was like a physical pain in my heart. Is that the power of friendship... or love? \nI believe you're about to find out, Max Caulfield."

That's why we're saying Max isn't a goddamn blank RPG character.

>>125901956
>Why is there shitflinging when evidently everybody hates him?
One guy worships him and shows up every so often to piss everyone off with his self-inflated ego.

>>125901423
gtfo major psycho

>>125902226
Yeah, that was my main gripe with that aspect of the game. Max is already fleshed out as a character. The only decisions made affect everybody except Max. You can't play a complete bastard no matter how much you want.

>>125901423
I don't think he's evil, but he needs to learn to take not beat around the bush and to take a hint.
Ask Max out on a date, if she says no then that's it. Don't act friendly and try to get more/ get into her pants.
He's a weird kid judging by his movie collection, but that doesn't mean much. He's just awkward and can't take a hint that Max doesn't like him more than a friend, and no amount of groveling, proposals for outings, etc. will change that.
Some other dislike him because he became less of a character and became more of a vessel to progress the plot or distribute (half-assed) exposition.

>>125901393
>I picked it out of spite towards Dontnod for trying to make me believe their "Cause and effect" bullshit.
The chloe/drive away ending to ep 5 would probably work really well with the ep 3 'drive away from the pool' dialogue dubbed over it.
>Driving out of wrecked town, dead lying everywhere
>probably would be a bunch of injured and dying calling out for help, but muh budget, just imagine them
>suddenly "HAHAHA LATER FUCKERS, MAX YOU ROCK, WE ARE SO FUCKING AWESOME"

>>125902776
only Brooke can love him otherwise he'll die alone

>>125902776
The real tragedy is that his character suffers even further because hes used as a half baked information dump about chaos theory, and everything he says makes 0% sense because of DONTNOD logic making him seem like even more of a fuckhead retard than he already is.

>>125903003
Too bad that as of a last thread I started shipping Brooke and Stella.
So I guess Warren can have Alyssa. Or Victoria.

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Anyone remember the placeholder pictures from the prerelease video?
Someone posted a high resolution picture for the EP2 placeholder, does anyone still have it, and maybe with a source?

>>125903210
>Warren can have Alyssa

too bad, i started shipping Alyssa and Whale. warryn cuck'd by the universe.

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>>125903210
>Warren can have Victoria

What the fuck did you just fucking say you little bitch I'll kill you

>>125897858
If you're looking through the file, can you see if you can find any more about the cut 'help Warren'/'abandon Warren' choice?

>>125903389
>Someone posted a high resolution picture for the EP2 placeholder,


Wait for LE's artbook it will be leaked soon don't worry

>>125903210
>not warren x jefferson
pleb taste senpai

>>125903534
> 'help Warren'/'abandon Warren'

in both of choices Max doesn't help him, she just runs away with Chloe in everyway.

>>125903534
Was that also for EP1? At the parking lot?
So far I didn't find anything, but I found this instead:
E1_6A_CliffNow_CHChloe_Phase01_025="Teletubbies"

If there were to be DLC for this what would you like to see? Rachel and Chloe back story? After the game?

>>125903534
>>125903792

We've talked about this before, Sock anon/render anon found it , i guess. Animations are nearly same and Max gets in the car and doesn't help him in either way.

>>125903667
I unironically ship Max and Jefferson and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>125904010
gtfo kazimir

>>125903210
>Warren x Victoria
HAHAHA it's perfect! She'd treat him like a slave and belittle him constantly, and he's act grateful for every insult or even thought of getting some type of affection.

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>>125903389
Here anon.

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>>125903210
>Warren can have Victoria
>Warren can have anyone
He 'might' end up in a relationship with Nathan, but It'd be more accurate to say he was being cucked by his own right hand.

>>125904440
Oooh, thank you!
But I assume that you have no source?

>>125903534
I found this, dunno if it's unused tho.
E1_6A_SMS_Warren_F="I owe u. Thanks for today.\nI’ll call back later, k? I SWEAR."
It's located between the "you owe me, i saved you" sms lines.

>>125870404
This logic makes no sense considering max had visions of the tornado before saving Chloe, and when she saved William a storm didn't happen a week later. So saving a life doesn't trigger a storm

>>125904703
>"you owe me, i saved you"

FUCKING BITCH

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>>125904703
No problem! I found it on a forum. I wish they had the episode 5 picture, but they didn't. ):

>>125879125
>She rewound time and after this she realized that she can freeze time.
I'm still upset they used that awesome mechanic once and abandoned it completely.

>>125904827
Shitty writing's triggering the storm

>>125905026
Were there any other pictures?

It's interesting how me, a 27 year old British guy can relate, feel for and care about 18 year old American teenagers. Although I wouldn't say I care for the endings, I did at least care about Chloe and Max.

For all its flaws it's hard to fault a game that has this much emotional impact.

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>>125905264
A concept of Max's room and pretty much nothing else. ):

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>>125905708
It's hardly surprising, british 'people' basically aren't humans, and I say that as a born and bred englishman.

Captcha was ntlUSA, how fitting.

>>125894615
Give me an example of a cocktail dress
And why and who deleted my previous message?

>>125906165
You still owe me a bowl of custard !

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>chloe wins some best character award
>look at facebook comments
>most of the people are saying how much they 'hate that bitch'
>people saying they're glad they let her die
>sudden overwhelming protective instinct
people make me sad ;_;

>>125906345
I gave it to you already, previous thread

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>>125906165
Something like this. The styles and stuff can be varied and they can also have cloth belts on the waist.

>>125906421
I'll have to go look for it, thanks f)am

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>>125905264

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>>125906848
I love it!

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>>125906349
>Facebook and also youtube comments (mostly less-viewed of course)

>there are people who thinks Hug and also Kiss option is romance option

>there are people who thinks -canon- Max obviously has feelings for Warrencuck

>there are people who thinks Max really loves Warrencuck whatever you chose,do.

>there are people who thinks doing all pro-cuck choices are enough to make Max into him.

>there are people who thinks endings are satisfying and saying '' Fuck Chloe, fuck Kate she only cares Warren. I HAVE TO SAVE WARREN''

>there are people who says about cuck ''OMG HE'S SO HOT!! KISS WAS SO HOT!! THEY HAVE TO BANG IMMEDIATELY''

just ignore that retards anon. nobody fucking cares about facebook anyway

>>125906848
Poor K8. Just can't catch a break.

>>125905026
>>125898221
>>125905892
>>125906148
>>125906667

>Limited Edition: Artbook (unreleased concept arts)

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So for the help warren thing, I found:

Max yelling more then usual at Nathan to stop it
Chloe saying something along the lines of "eat fume"

Not much...
I have this pic on my pc, dunno if it's related.
Max idles more, but these could very well be animation leftovers, since the camera changes and the next set of animations is used.

I know that someone mentioned that Victoria in EP2 actually took a turn before going into the bathroom, something that never happens ingame.

>>125907160
Watch it not have half of this in the book.

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>>125907028
>mfw Victoria rigs up a bowl of vannila creme over K8's room door before leaving to fingerbang Max all christmas break in LiT

Cucked again, the Kate life

>>125906349
Most people who hate on Chloe, or the game in general, haven't played a single second.
They either watch a few clips out of context or base their opinions of her appearance.
Disregard their claims and do not try to argue. They are a lost cause that will never be ready for the mosh pit.

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>>125907257
Poor Kate. You know it's going to happen.

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Daily reminder that k8 will be on suicide watch after Vicky and Max's kinky christmas break

Nova pls

>>125907204
she just hesistates but runs away anyway.
man.. i can watch this forever lol

Kate's sad eyes are her best feature. I just want to hold her. Chloe > Kate > Max

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>>125907259
B-but Chloe's appearance is like really really gorgeous and kind of makes me feel funny. How could anyone dislike her based on her looks.

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>>125907493
>MAKE IT KINKY NOVA!!!!!
pls.
Kate's always on suicide watch ever chapter.

>>125907259
>Disregard their claims and do not try to argue.
I know, I know. I'm not going to start arguing with idiots in facebook comments. Shouldn't have even read them out of curiosity. Just makes me sad that Scott/Toby monitor this stuff and feedback to dontnod.

>>125901906
That bugged me. That old car having gas in its tank? Exploding Hollywood-style?

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>>125907669
They think the blue hair, jacket, and beanie automatically means Tumblr or SJW. Even though she's pretty much the exact opposite. I;ve even seen some fool trying to argue how she;s a radical feminist because of the one comment she made to David about hr believing in gun control or how men shouldn't have them. The idea of sarcasm, subtlety, or anything besides exact meaning is lost to them.
As I said, just ignore them. Take comfort here with those that also appreciate her.

>>125869529
>I know it feels good to accuse dontnod of having no idea what they're doing
It actually really doesn't. I leap at any chance to believe they're just cool writers who got fucked over by big wigs and will no doubt make up for it, but sometimes after a while and after so many 'imagination:)'s it just gets too exhausting to believe it. And every other time I've had to jump through mental hoops to defend writers like this in the past, it's always ultimately led to realising they're just retarded douchebags, so it's hard to have faith.

>This is obviously something that writers and developers say all of the time to be modest. They aren't just going to say 'yeah we knew everyone would love all our excellent characters, of course, duh'.
The alternative is to just not comment on it. I don't think I've ever heard comments like this from any other writer. And we know for a fact that Kate and Victoria genuinely exceeded their expectations because they added extra scenes and dialogue specifically because of how the fanbase responded to them.

>>125907204
Warren would be dead as disco after this kind of beatdown

>>125907204
I could watch Warren get beat up forever.

>>125908080
How is she "the opposite"?

>>125907884
Ahahaha how much kink are we talking its already a pretty SNFW fic

I doubt we will be disappointed on the kate getting cucked angle. It seems like it's fairly consistent.

>>125907884
Immodest whipping

SIN!

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>>125907884
Yes, please!

>>125907884
>That picture
>That tender dominance
Victoria will only know true peace once she's gently held in Max's arms, her body lovingly covered in welts

>>125870404

There's a difference between not understanding it and not accepting it.
And fautly logic would be all well and good if there was at least emotional truth behind it, but there isn't. Which is why people are grasping at something even less logical like Max somehow sacrificing herself, because at least that has emotional truth.

Personally, I would have liked an ending where we can attempt to fix literally everything, and Max dies from exhaustion in the process, saddling the world with either Bae or Bay depending on basically a coin flip, or leaving it ambiguous, or even making things even worse.
That's a way more sucky outcome for the characters than either canon ending, but it's a tragedy that Max would have earned for herself by refusing to learn the game's lesson that she can't make everything perfect. And that's a lesson the game did establish pretty well, with Rachel as a real life example from the very first episode. Unlike Bae or Bay which, while arguably forshadowed, don't really have any thematic weight to them, and just feel completely false and alienating to sit through.

That's the problem with multiple endings. Being stuck with one sucky outcome is kinda shit, but oh well. But when you're given multiple choice, an illusion of control, that you can choose the better ending, and all your options suck, that's just utterly fucking frustrating, and gets everyone all worked up screaming about all the other alternatives there should have been.

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>>125908592

dream scenario is this pic with santa hats

but Nova's a good writer so whatever he pulls out if his hat will be lit tbhfam

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>>125909105
>>125908932
>>125908797

stop spamming you're interfering with best girl posting

>>125909082
Yeah, I understand. I don't accept it either, but I was replying specifically regarding people seriously not understanding dontnod's thought process.

I agree, I would have liked a 'Max dies from overuse of her powers' end for the Bay ending at least. That one final focus could be too much, but then she ends up 'together' with Chloe and Rachel in death, which is kind of poetic but still depressing as fuck.

>(Chloe was here, Rachel was here, Max was here.)

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>>125909412
>best girl posting

>>125909412
But we're not posting Chloe yet...

>>125909183
>Santa hat lesbian sex plus biting between the two best girls

I can dig it

>>125897971
>The success of LiS was a mistake
Oh god, that's brutal. And seems truer every day. It hurts...

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>>125909520

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Guys? GUYS??

I just thought ... in the original timeline we don't know that Jefferson is evil, we just know that Rachel is AWOL and Nathan is a bit upset. After Max has rewound a bit and photohopped twice, we seem to be back in the original timeline at the "beached whales" evening, but this isn't so! At least the Pricefield photo has never existed here. And how much more has been changed that we can't even check? How much more history has been removed or added? It could well be that Jefferson is evil now because of chaos theory.

Or maybe, just maybe Max has a fourth power (next to freehand rewind, photo rewind and bullet time) which consists in retconning the new timeline to her prejudices... and she is suicidal as well as paranoid.

>Watching some show on Weather Channel about Tornadoes
>Deadliest Tornado ever recorded in the US killed less than 700 people
>This was in 1925 when most buildings were built with thin lumber or of brick not made for those type of forces
Absolutely no way everyone in Arcadia died. Not with modern buildings and especially not with a minimum of a four hour span between the storm starting and the tornado hitting. Is there anyway to tell the population of Arcadia Bay?

>>125898047

I actually thought episode 2 was easily the best.
Ep1 was pretty clunky and awkward, ep3 was claustrophobic, ep5 was ep5. Ep4 I'd put alongside ep2 as the best - both still have their flaws, but overall really showed off a little of the potential this game had in terms of both human drama and investigative gameplay.

Does anyone have that shot of Citoria's school records?

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>>125909602

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>>125909557
I like the way you think, anon.

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>>125909960

posting render I made for keks, will resume vicky posting after

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>>125910365

>>125905026
>even with pictures like this, all the cut dialogue, and dropped plot points dontnod will never admit they had a different ending in mind
Fuck this gay earth

>>125909765
But anon, it's no ordinary tornado, it's a magic lesbian tornado that kills everyone in its path.

>>125907204
i guess we learned three things from that picture

A: waren's stupid actions throughout the game can be explained by brain damage
B: Nathan jerks of left handed
C: max doesn't give a fuck about warren

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>>125910534

>>125908350
>I don't think I've ever heard comments like this from any other writer.

I've actually seen this with tons of game developers in particular. Was just reading something with the devs from TLoU and they were saying similar shit about how surprised they were by fan reactions to the characters. It's a very common question from fans asking creators what they think about fan reactions.

>>125897971
>they never wanted the focus to be the characters.

I see no basis for that claim at all honestly. They've said from the beginning that they wanted it to be character focused, and the story between Max and Chloe and their character development was clearly the focus all along. They may have been surprised that some of the minor characters created more buzz than they expected, and maybe they really did. But it's a huge leap in logic to got from 'we were surprised people liked the secondary characters so much' to 'we don't care about characters'.

This shouldn't even be an argument, there's just that little basis for it. It's like some people are just trying to manufacture reasons to call dontnod bad writers. I understand the hate for the endings, but that doesn't give license to just start making up random arguments because you can.

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>>125910289

>tfw no vicky gf

>>125910905
Were they both attacked with hair straighteners? Those look like some serious burns there

poor Max got the worst of it it seems

>33 posters
>224 replies
Nice "community" you got there

>>125911098
Its comfy breh

(you're one of us, who the fuck are you kidding?)

>>125909519
>Yeah, I understand. I don't accept it either, but I was replying specifically regarding people seriously not understanding dontnod's thought process.

But even when people seem not to understand it, their complaints still come from a recognition that the writing is fundamentally flawed. They may just not have the ability to express it in a more sophisticated way other than a general feeling that Max should have been able to sacrifice herself somehow, even if they can't give it more plausible backing.

And dontnod fucked up their own logic anyway considering there are still many changes to the timeline in the Bay ending, and even more devastating changes in the Bae ending, none of which apparently matter anymore. So fuck their logic, it doesn't need to get in the way of alternate suggestions. If someone wants the game to end by Max ripping a great big fart to defuse the tension and make Nathan and Chloe laugh and they all become best friends and get milkshakes, I say go for it, it makes about as much sense.

>>125909729

...What?

>>125910765
>needing a license to talk shit on the internet

That's like needing a license to poop in the toilet

>>125908539
>thin and athletic
>concealed carries a firearm
>uses "dude" when talking to a girl
>loved her dad
>uses american flag as curtains
>pictures of "sexually objectified" women all over her room
>probably wouldn't be politically correct to save her life

She'd trigger the hell out of tumblr if she were real and a guy.

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>>125911649
>>uses american flag as curtains

Actually in concept art it has vulgarities scrawled all over it. Seems to just be to piss off/lampoon David.

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>>125911649
Chloe is a real american gal, I think she would vote for Trump 2016

>>125911810

>>125906667
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>>125911630
Yeah, touche. But at least you realize it is actually just shit talking.

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>>125912310
God damn that is actually a pretty close fit. She's a horrendous bitch so she could get that part for sure.

>>125911838
Why would that piss off David?
>"Chloe, for the last time, stop being ironically patriotic!"

I'd imagine every time he comes into her room and sees the sunlight scatter through the flag, filling her room in a warm, reddish light, he has to fight the urge to cry and salute.

>>125911649
Well fucking thank you! Now how do I tell my mom needing chemo won't be enough for me to leave the basement?

>>125911838
>>125912503
The flag is being flown the wrong way around, which is a desecration unto itself.

>>125912737
Maybe she wants people outside to see it the right way?

>>125912867
You'd have to stand on your head to see it the right way. Perhaps she's just flying it for people in New Zealand and Australia to see?

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>>125912737
Isn't that the signal for "I'm in need of help?"

> Desecrating a flag

Dammit, never care about a symbol! Making you care about a symbol is another trick by The Man to make you behave.

Guys, help me out here:
1) When do dead birds first appear
2) Did Chloe drive Max back to school after the junkyard shooting? I think yes, it started to rain and there were dead birds on the steps, right?
3) And then Max returns to the dorm and the next scene is when she wakes up in here cute pajamas and is invited by Chloe to the diner...

>>125912737
quick google search tells me:

"The American flag is only supposed to be hung upside down in a time of great distress. In most cases, people hang the flag upside down as a way to protest issues with the government. It is considered an exercise of the First Amendment right"

Maybe a bit melodramatic for Chloe to do it, maybe she doesn't even know that meaning and just hangs it that way because it's... well a curtain and doesn't hang from a flag post, but either way there's nothing desecrating about it.

>>125914343
1) Ep 3
2) I dont remember seeing dead birds
3)No, she wakes up in her pj's before the junkyard scene

>>125914343
>1) When do dead birds first appear
episode 3, in the Price/Madsen garden

>2) Did Chloe drive Max back to school after the junkyard shooting? I think yes, it started to rain and there were dead birds on the steps, right?
after the train tracks, don't think there were any dead birds

>3) And then Max returns to the dorm and the next scene is when she wakes up in here cute pajamas and is invited by Chloe to the diner...
wait what, you've gone from the end bit of ep 2 to the start of ep 2

>>125914712
Shit my memory is all bad.
What happens after they take off from Price House through the window after their first re-union

>>125902880
>people begging for help
Let's face it, if you are the kind of psychopath willing to murder an entire town full innocent people to save a person who was supposed to be already dead anyway, then you're more likely to run over any survivors with your truck for a laugh than helping them.

>>125915295
Yes

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>>125915295
>if you are the kind of psychopath willing to murder an entire town full innocent people to save a person who was supposed to be already dead anyway

>>125915295
Max can't murder anyone in this game unless she decides to sacrifice Chloe. That is murder, a planned direct action that she knows will lead to the death of another person. A tornado she caused by accident is not.

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>>125915295
>murder an entire town full innocent people
I love this meme.

>>125914482

That's interesting. I wonder if they did that on purpose - Chloe's certainly in some distress, and is generally anti-authority and blamey enough to pin it on the gubment. Plus that gives more context to the 'fuck you, David' aspect if she's basically broadcasting that the country sucks.

>>125914904

They go to the lighthouse and the episode ends.

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>>125914904
>>125914343
>tfw Max has to keep asking Chloe questions like this post-Bae because all the time travel messed with her memory

>>125915607
You can make the exact same argument that she doesn't murder Chloe. She allows an accidental discharge to take place. In the bae ending she allows an unknown number of people (potentially hundreds) to get slaughtered in a disaster she was capable of preventing.

>>125916380
I think it's just general rebellion. Anything she can do to piss of David she did/ does.
>Use flag as a curtain and don't display it properly
>Bring boys, and Rachel, home
>Dye hair blue
>Play loud music
>Smoke weed indoors
>Constantly insult him
It was all attempts to push his buttons. If they reunite in the future then some of it will stop as they try to have a civil relationship.

>>125916684
They'd all be dead in a couple of years anyway. Oregon gets hit by a tornado every few years and apparently the residents of Arcadia Bay are unable to seek shelter. Maybe what happened in Arcadia Bay will make people more aware of the danger of tornados. This tragedy might save thousands of lives in the future. Would you really murder thousands of people all over Oregon just to save a few hundreds of AB residents? What kind of psychopath would do that?

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>>125915295
Youth knows no bounds
They had to destroy Arkadia Bay in order to save themselves
It's not like they pulled a Harris&Klebold

>>125916982
She didn't know the storm was her fault. The only thing to suggest so was one line from Chloe saying maybe letting her die could stop it.
The very fact she had a vision of the storm before doing anything, and that the signs were present in other timelines, should suggest to Max that the storm coming would happen regardless of what happened to Chloe.
And then there's the fact that the exact point she gained the power to rewind time was right as Chloe died. It was her destiny to save her.

>>125916982
>You can make the exact same argument that she doesn't murder Chloe. She allows an accidental discharge to take place.

Not really. She already saved Chloe. That is an event that lies in the past. She has to go back in time to willingly let her die. When she saved Chloe, she had no idea she accidentally summoned a magical tornado. When she lets that tornado happen, she doesn't murder anyone, she simply accepts that her actions in the past had some really unforeseen, illogical consequences and moves on with her life.

>>125916982
At the point of the choice, picking 'sacrifice Chloe' means taking an action guaranteed to cause the death of a person who would otherwise live, with full knowledge of this consequence.

In Bae, the tornado is already happening, was 'summoned' without any awareness that it would appear, and changing events means killing an innocent person.

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>>125916946
Thanks and sorry.
When does she have the tornado vision with the doe?

>>125916946

Hell, who knows how different things went after she tore up that stupid contest entry. For all we know, her week of beautiful memories with Chloe was completely different.

Seriously though, that photo being on the bathroom floor was how Nathan ID'd Max and came after her in the parking lot if she didn't report him. How the fuck does that still happen if she tore it up previously? DOES it still happen? Because if it never happened, that pretty much completely alters Max and Chloe's shit. For all we know, Chloe wouldn't even see her, or would be too bitter and scared of rejection to approach her. And even if they did still meet, the lack of an altercation would completely change their interaction - Chloe isn't forced to whisk Max back to her place, Max doesn't need to fix her camera, Chloe doesn't have a reason to drag Max's witnessing her shooting out of her.

>>125917745

At the lighthouse, end of ep1.

maximum victory a shit desu

>>125917617

This is literally the trolly problem. We all know this discussion will go nowhere. All dontnod fucking did was switch a train for a magic tornado in hopes of tricking us into thinking they came up with an awesome, eternally discussable dilemma.

>>125917420
>It was her destiny to save her.
It was destiny that one girl get her life saved in a bathroom while everyone else got fucked over and left to die? How uplifting.

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>>125918236

that's a valid opinion although I disagree

>>125917828

(Not to mention she should have already told cuck everything and just re-killed Chloe before recognising her if Nathan never showed up. People who chose not to report Nathan should have basically gotten an express ending).

>>125918236
No, you're wrong.

>>125917617
Imagine you replace the tornado with ISIS. Chloe drew a cartoon of Muhammed or something and because of that, ISIS wants to murder her. Now if you just watch them kill her, they are satisfied for the moment and nothing else happens. If you intervene and save her, they plan a terror attack and take out hundreds of people in Arcadia Bay. Would anyone seriously believe the morally correct choice would be to negotiate with terrorists and sacrifice an innocent person just so they are satisfied? Only because the villain in this story is a faceless force of nature is this even an argument.

>>125918651

You don't negotiate with terrorists because if you give them an inch they'll take a yard. Mother nature is not a terrorist.

>>125918393
Why else would Max get the power to change the fate of the fucking universe? The power over space and time isn't the flu, you don't just catch it by accident. If you get it, it means god or a being more powerful than the universe itself wanted you to have it and she got it the exact moment Chloe was shot.

>>125917828
Fuck! I've kept bringing up how the game overlooks Max destroying past photos and that never dawned on me until you brought it up just now. Somehow we're still finding more angles to the story's shitiness two months later. Yeah, how did Monday change without Nathan's confrontation.

>>125918750
It's not a natural tornado though. A tornado doesn't just happen because you save a random girl's life. In this case, whatever sent that tornado is the terrorist.

why must this argument happen every thread

>>125907259
I hated Chloe until the car ride in episode 3(?) where Max tells her to grow up and she blames William for her life going to shit. You could tell she knew Max was right, but still had lingering abandonment issues.

I did a 180 on her at that exact point.

>>125919143
I thought it was implied that the principal told Nathan that Max saw him.

>>125919470
Really? I thought it implied that you're a clueless retard.

>>125918651
If such an incident took place in real life the goal would be to prevent hundreds of deaths at all costs and try to insure the survival of the person being threatened. There's no victory in a small act of defiance when hundreds are dead. The loved ones of the dead (and history) would quite rightly judge you as an incompetent fuckwit who should never be trusted with people's lives.

>>125919638
You're an idiot. Max in that situation obviously wouldn't know of the consequences right away. The point is that you can't blame someone for consequences they have nothing directly to do with just for trying to do the right thing.

>>125919470
Doesn't work if Max told the principal nothing. Unless of course that decision was overridden by autopilot Max. But then again Frank is still alive or dead depending on your choices in Episode 4.

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>>125919353
The was the point for me too. Where I really started to like her and want to change things for her. It's probably one of my favorite scenes in the entire game.
At first she just seemed like a bitch that tried to guilt trip Max and abuse her power, but then you learn she's really just miserable. She's not really angry at the world, she's just sad and can't understand why she gets the shit end of the stick. And it's nobody's fault, and that's what scares her. She can't place a name to blame or feel anger toward because nobody is responsible. And a lot of the things of why Chloe's life is crap is because of her own actions, which she understandably doesn't want to own up to.
She has a tough exterior, but inside is just a sad, scared, and alone little girl that never learned how to deal with loss.
And that's why Max is there. To help her overcome those challenges and to give her a shot at a happy life. For the both of them because they were both shaken and changed by William's death and their separation.

>>125919353
I was completely indifferent to her until episode 3, and then there were a bunch of little moments - the pool scene shyness, the whole bedroom scene, the breakdown in the car and seeing happy teen Chloe - that made me completely change my opinion and fall in love with the character and just want to root for her happiness so much. One of the reasons I rate episode 3 so highly (second after 4) is that it managed that.

>>125919991
I most certainly could and should blame a negotiator in a terrorist situation if their poor decision-making resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people they were meant to save. You need to work on your analogy.

>>125919470

Only if Max reported Nathan. If she didn't report him, Wells doesn't know shit, but Nathan still comes after Max to make sure she won't squeal because he heard the fire alarm break and saw her photo on the floor and put two and two together.
If the photo no longer exists in that scene and Max never told Wells, Nathan has no way of knowing who to confront.

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>>125919239

Operation Nuke Imaginationland is a go!

>>125920128
>>125920165

I already liked her a lot after episode 2. There was such a nice balance between her being a cunt and her showing glimpses of the person that was Max's best childhood friend and then finally opening up at the end of it.

I mean, how could anyone not warm up to her during that scene after the train tracks? Or right after that when she drove Max back to Blackwell and tells her this had been the best week of her life.

>>125920638
No, my analogy was perfectly fine, you are just too stupid to understand it and instead you take the whole "negotiating with terrorists" part literal, as if Max was actually doing negotiations in that analogy.

>>125920856
>Chloe
>Highsocks and garters
>Tight dress
Good god. Anon, please. You can't be doing these things to me, it's not good for my heart.

>>125921129
I didn't hate her before that, I liked her but was skeptical on if she was using Max as a tool more than a friend. After everything with Kate, Max gets a text from Chloe I started to realize she still genuinely cared.
But it was in Ep 3 that everything finally clicked.

>>125921578
Forgot to add that the whole traintracks with the "We'll last forever" conversation did a lot to show that Chloe was real with intentions to be Max's friend. That was probably the first real moment I started to like her as much as I do.

>>125921306
You're analogy is flawed as fuck you moron. In a scenario where ISIS was getting ready to kill hundreds of people you'd do everything in your power to save their lives. Whether that be convincing them to turn those people over in exchange for negotiated terms or sending in the SAS to re-enact the Iranian Embassy Siege. You don't allow hundreds to die at the hands of terrorists and then pat yourself on the back for "standing your ground".

>>125922371
Well it's not like we can blow the windows off a tornado and send in 20 burly british guys to sort it out.

It's a bullshit trolley problem scenario. It's not going to work if you try to apply any logic to it. It's a cheap writing trick, a Stand with too many powers - a dumb copout that shows the desperation they had to force people into feeling something.

>>125920856
Dementiaz? God that is awesome.

>>125919353
For me it was the opposite. I was kind of indifferent to her in Episode 1 and 2, but 3 was the point where I'd just had enough. The truck scene was an awful wangst-fest with some of the most cringe-worthy dialogue in the game. I didn't need an over-the-top tantrum to figure out her issues with her father's death, the environmental storytelling had already handled that.

Episode 4 made her more tolerable but it felt like horribly rushed character development. Perhaps the only thing Episode 5 did right was give me a legitimate respect for Chloe in the parking lot scene where she acted in a surprisingly mature manner.

>>125922593
>Well it's not like we can blow the windows off a tornado and send in 20 burly british guys to sort it out.
Exactly, a magic tornado is not a terrorist that can be negotiated with or shot. That's why the analogy doesn't work.

>>125922371
The whole terrorist analogy is stupid. Because that means somebody sent them to intentionally cause harm. All Max did was show empathy be screaming "No!" when she saw someone being shot, and unwillingly rewound time. That's it.
She never thought the storm was related to her power and actually wanted to figure out how to stop the storm if it was possible. She acted selfless the entire time. The only time she does something for her own benefit is if she saves Chloe. And that's also selfless to an extent because some character are better off in that ending.

>>125923374
Well, yeah. I was agreeing with you in a way. It's a bit silly to use that scenario as any sort of frame of reference to talk about the endings. Instead we should look to Caps and simply shout profanities about how stupid they are.

>>125917420
Warren had already explained to Max that the tornado was caused by that, so she already knew it for a fact.

>>125923607
Warren is not an authority on time travel or its consequences. He merely threw out a hypothesis.
One which should be dismissed because you do not see the effects of something before you do it. The only reason we know letting Chloe die will stop the storm is because we are told it will. Max herself has no reason to think that something caused by messing with time would be solved by messing with time more.

>>125920128
But anon, her whole body language + language and what we know about Max/Chloe history already says as much during ep1.

Would she desperatly care about Rachel to keep putting up posters if she were a bitch?

>>125919239
I must say it's hilarious that the universe itself finds Chloe Price's existence so vexing that it has to send a magical tornado to obliterate an entire town as compensation.

>>125923607
Warren is the source of "time travel" books that Max studies and which are worth zilch.

She might as well watch Dr. Who to find out what's going on.

Somebody shop a Warren with "I happen to be an expert on chaos theory and time travel" please

>>125924286
It's the blue hair.
It is reserved for the Real Spawn of Lilith, Ayanami Rei.

>>125924286
them darn lesbians, nothing gets rid of 'em 'cept a good ol' fashioned apocalyptic tornado

>>125924320
>She might as well watch Dr. Who to find out what's going on.
this is basically what Warren advises she does in-between episodes 1 and 2

>>125923971
I didn't think she was an entire bitch at that point. When we first meet her, and learn about her history with Max, I think she was happy to see her friend again. And that's reinforced throughout Ep 2 and when you talk to Joyce in the kitchen in Ep 3. But I thought she was also taking advantage of Max, to an extent, to try to find Rachel. It seemed pretty clear that she gave up on Max over those five years and was devoted to Rachel.
Rachel was the one bright spot in her life then and she was missing. She wanted to find Rachel so she wasn't alone again, even if she was too enamored with her to actually see her flaws.
And that's why it's even better when Max does appear back in her life. Because she is not Rachel and is instead what Chloe needs.
Rachel was a good friend to Chloe, but she couldn't give Chloe what she wanted.

>>125919239
>>125922593
Now I want to see an alternate ending where 20 burly British guys are sent to save the world from a madman unleashing tornados.

>>125924691
My dad wrote a book on the embassy siege weirdly enough.

Fun fact for ya, they shot one of the guys so many times that when the coroner's report came in he couldn't determine the actual number of bullets inside the dude, because they'd all started hitting each other inside him and shattering and blowing off into tiny pieces and some probably came back out again. Suffice to say that team was not fucking around.

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>>125924286
The universe is hella jealous.
Save Kate from death? That's fine.
Save William? It's all good.
Save Chloe? REEEEEEEEEE

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>>125893949

For True Lesbian Love

Heeeelp I can't let go.

I still need the precise dates for Day 1 to 3 and the Tornado strike, I can't remember. My brain is mush.

>>125920886
He and David Madsen still saw her leaving the bathroom though. It isn't too hard to assume Nathan managed to get either of them to talk and concluded she had to have witnessed the whole thing.

We do know Nathan went back and investigated the bathroom, which was how he managed to discover the ripped photo in the first place.

>>125924928
>tfw the universe/higher power is actually Warren

>>125924907
Hold on, what siege was that?

>>125924623
But I thought she was also taking advantage of Max, to an extent, to try to find Rachel.

That would be ok in my book (if I were Max I would understand)

>>125925158
The Iranian Embassy siege in 1980. The SAS blew the fuck out of its windows and rappelled in to avert a hostage crisis. Real james bond shit.

>>125922371
Shut the fuck up already major psycho, nobody fucking cares about and your precious cuck. Just gtfo. Everyone here hates you.

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>>125925138
INSTRUMENTALITY