/scg/ Star Citizen General: Free(lancer) At Last Edition

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Come on OP

At least try

>>125846646
no

>>125846502
also the pastebin is fucked AGAIN why did you faggots bitch, I don't even care just use this one

http://pastebin.com/MBcknHRt

>>125846854
much like the developers, /scg/ doesn't try

first for prostate masturbation is key

>>125847841
To?

>>125847985

life

>>125848035
Agreed

will 2.1 require downloading the entire client again? Is it worth downloading 2.0 now?

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>Someone in my organization has spent $44700 on this
>3 Phoenix
>4 Orion
>2 Carrack
>4 Crucible
>4 Idris-P
>1 idris-M
>1 Javelin
>and a lot more

>>125848613
>multiple of the same ship.
Why?

>>125848613
investment. Just wait he's going to make mad bank when the game goes live

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>>125848613
I wish I had that much disposable income.

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>Missing badge
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>Missing badge

CIG pls.

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What exactly do you do in this game? I'm watching a streamer now and all he does is walk around a space station.

>>125848968
weep in awe of the immersion

>>125848968
>What exactly do you do in this game?

Pay money for pixels.

>>125848968
hijack and/or streamsnipe faggots that walk around stations on twitch for money

>>125848968
Poo in loo, not on shoe

has anyone crammed an aurora into the back of a freelancer yet

>>125851023
wow, lewd
I can't wait to see what ships will fit in other ships.

>>125851023
I'd assume a Merlin could fit.

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I want my space delivery van with it's comfy unobstructed giant canopy be flyable...

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>>125851023
Should be possible now the Fatlancer is bigger

>>125851601
>dat massive cross section doe

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>>125851659
Yes, that's why the fighty version makes me a bit nervous. But the hauler should be a straight upgrade from an Aurora.

Also, that view will be amazing.

So it seems like the game is a little more than a bunch of disconnected tech demos now, is that fair to say?

And how playable is it right now if I just want to get good at flying around, maybe look at some stuff / shoot some stuff, and fool around with a friend (ideally as a crew member of his ship)?

so are we currently looking at a 2018 release date?

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>>125851873
>>125851601
I got the research variant. I really like the looks of it, don't get why some people say it's ugly.

Plus, I got the hard on for that rotation shtick.

>>125852032
it just became a series of connected tech demos anon. all that stuff is possible right now in the large world area.

>>125852032
It's a few hours worth of content at this stage. Some very simple missions and a couple of stations to explore. Multicrew works now, but they're still getting the actual grouping mechanics in place.

And the game actually is getting closer to all the disconnected tech demos actually being connected. Next two patches will theoretically add another area to explore plus actual working shops and npcs

>>125851873
>Yes, that's why the fighty version makes me a bit nervous
become ace pilot. never get hit.
but really though senpai, isn't it supposed to have a pretty fatty ass shield grid + XENOMANUEVERING or some shit?

Also, it should still be able to mount S3's on the wingtips for maximum democracy as per the old Q&A's.

>>125852896
It'll probably be a stronger Aurora LN. Slow, durable, with decent agility. Plus a crap ton of S1 missiles and a couple of fixed S3's and fixed S1 guns. If it's acceleration is good that could be a great mix, even with the giant target wings.

>>125853448
>It'll probably be a stronger Aurora LN. Slow, durable, with decent agility.
All those things minus the slow part.
Well, slow-er.
It's supposed to be faster than Aurora but not as fast as Mustangs.

>>125853448
>giant target wings.

lmao just roll

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Okay, no, there's is no way I can stand flying with this mother fucking tiny ass window. It took me several seconds just to find a big ass space station again after I got turned around, thanks to the tiny fucking view slit. And the lack of a radar globe isn't helping either. I played for only 15 mins and I already have material for at least three bug reports.

>>125853919
>It's supposed to be faster than Aurora but not as fast as Mustangs
They're both going about the same speed on live. And the Delta is bugged on the ptu and only going 155m's right now.

>>125854553
I think it looks really cool

reminds me of airliners

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>>125854647
Oh well, as long as it goes 200m/s or higher it's acceptable.

>>125854553
>small windows
Fully encased coffin 360-degree displays when

>>125854090
for real though this has the potential to be a neat unique aspect of the reliant. A slowish bulky ship that none-the-less can just turn 90 degrees in any direction to temporarily avoid fire.

>>125854553
That's part of the charm.

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>>125855005
>>125854090
>spinning is actually a good trick

>>125854929
>Fully encased coffin 360-degree displays when
never
faggots won't allow it because they think it somehow takes away from the coolness of the ship.

you know what's cool? not having to use a tiny viewport or having to work in an area where the only thing separating you from the vacuum is a bunch of glass

>>125855694
>you know what's cool?

Usually the opposite of what you think is cool.

I'm glad you're getting triggered though. Stay mad faggot.

>>125855694
go play rogue squadron, loser

and it's not glass. It's space glass and it's just as strong as the most advanced alloys

>>125855694
>muh immersion

Suck to be you eh? I suggest a refund.

>>125851154
There's a youtube video of it. You can get the cockpit in but the wings are too wide.

>>125855816
>It's space glass and it's just as strong as the most advanced alloys
why not make the entire front end out of it for more viewspace then?

>>125855905
it's very expensive

and while it's just as strong against weapons it requires additional structural support

>>125855905
I don't think Sci-Fi games are for you.

>>125856043
>ships too expensive for the mighty Concierge whales
Surely you jest.

>>125854553
>tiny ass window
>its %99 on the screen

also invest money in to a Head Tracker

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>>125856048
On the contrary, they're probably not for you.
Why set it in space if you're not going to put future tech, nano-bots and star trek sci-fi bullshit working everywhere in every facet of society? All that shit gets it's roots from postulating on the science of today for the world of tomorrow.

I want to control a cloud of nano-machines with my fucking cerebral cortex, release them from my ship equipped with thermoptic camo, and have them EAT enemy ships or hijack their computer systems so they work as puppets.

You just seem to want WW2 with lasers and dumb fucking bullshit like holograms.

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>>125856872
careful your autism is showing again

>>125856872
that sound retarded

if you go full "nanomachines" then it ends up being indistinguishable from Naruto

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>>125856872
>going to space for nanomachines
pls
>not becoming space radio supermegastar
>not taking old veterans on trips to vacation worlds
>not boarding betawhales' Starliners and banging the stewardesses for maximum cuck
not even super green

>>125857207
Technology of a sufficient level is indistinguishable from magic, anon. Doesn't mean there still aren't counters to it.

>>125856872
you also want auto-aim and robot controlled ships cuz futuristic technologies?

>>125857442
and sufficiently realistic games become are not fun

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>>125856872
>I want to control a cloud of nano-machines with my fucking cerebral cortex, release them from my ship equipped with thermoptic camo, and have them EAT enemy ships or hijack their computer systems so they work as puppets.

>>125857721
but SC isn't realistic at all

rogue system is more realistic like you're saying and it takes like 20 minutes to dock and is way too hard

Anyone gonna upload the latest Jump Point?

>>125856872
>I want list of stupid shit

Then why are you in a general for a game that doesn't have any of those things?

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>2.1 players can mount the Freelancer twin turret onto Constellation engine mounts
>8 possible S4's until fixed
Truly this is but a short golden age.

>>125857960
Remember when the Constellation was listed as Space Superiority?

>>125857960
I didn't know there were even gun mounts there. are there any fighters that can equip em?

>>125858081
>space superiority
lel, it sold ships didn't it?
To be fair, a half decent Connie pilot can still BTFO most average pilots with Quad-S4 due to gimbals.

Hardly Superiority though. A GOOD ace is terrifying.

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>>125858364
2 salvos in the same spot wreck anything the size of a 300i

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>>125858417
>PU Launch
>Time2HuntFatties.
>Load up Constellation with Rocketpods on swingarms.
>Quad Inline S5 Ballistics/Railguns on Engines.
>Lancing Retaliators/Haulers/Miners/Freighters/890's all day

>fly somewhere
>instantly murdered by a pirate who was being attacked by two other NPCs
>respawn and go somewhere else
>try and kill a pirate
>they randomly warp around and then I die
What am I doing wrong here

>>125859502
git gud

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>>125859502
the sync is absolutely abysmal right now
I was dog fighting with some pooraura and i had an avenger, i was way more agile and strafing around him , on my screen hes shooting to my left and im hitting him on my screen what feels like an eternity, then i start getting damage but no indications like my shield flashing and what not even though im getting hit in the front apparently. Dont even bother with pvp at this stage unless you're a dick like me and shoot powered off ships and leave people stranded

Do the Avenger's default wing guns actually do anything yet?

>>125859992
shuts down system temporarily but its so short its impractical.
the whole point is for bounty hunters taking keks in alive. The titan variant comes with 007bulldog repeaters since its a hauler multirole varient

>>125851626
This is the freelancer right? do I need to buy that smaller ship also to do that or what?

And any idea when that'll be functional for the PTU?

so this or elite dangerous?

>>125860497
Neither.
Just wait for this to come out or ED to not cost you 120+ dollars

>>125860497
in 5 years which one will we be playing?

>>125860497
This or rebel Galaxy

You have no reason to interact with anyone in elite at all. It even has an "offline" mode just for people trading to hide from any real players, even though you can't play the game without an Internet connection, because they don't want anyone being able to pirate it and realize how bad it is instead of buying it

>>125860609
And rebel Galaxy cut out all the dumb autismal unnecessary tedious crap elite has like docking

>>125860243
Do they even drain shields faster or anything?
They feel like dead weight because they don't seem to stop the ship and they don't do any damage, so why even have them when the nosegun is the only weapon that works

>>125851601
with the way they designed every cockpit I'm probably going to end up flying something that doesn't look like the obstructed shit they usually come up with regardless of the utility of the ship. For fucks sake.

>>125851601
1 seat only? Which version is it?

aren't shield generators supposed to absorb lasers and other energy based/electronic weapons? Why the fuck doesn't each ship just mount mechanical turrets with real bullets? How the fuck is an energy shield going to stop bullets?

>>125860609
Can I pirate star citizen and play it to see what its like?

>>125854553
This is my main concern.

>>125860697
they do, they shut down the shields and then the shields have to reboot and charge up which can take a while if you dont have power directed to group 2. Thats probably the only practical use of the emp cannons currently

>>125860609
What's with this rebel galaxy shilling/meme?

>>125860848
There are free weekends all the time, probably one coming soon.

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these fucking people i swear to god

croberts could shit on a can and they'd call it perfect

>>125860957
I'll have to try them more. I alwqys just used the nosegun because it was the only thing that seemed to have any of effect

>>125862708
You don't have to go that far to find delusional retards, see >>125855075 >>125856262

>>125863015
but they're just joking, r-right

>>125862708
But they are right. It's meant to emulate something like a cube van, high capacity but low visibility. Get used to it; the connie and retaliator are outliers. For non combat ships this size and up that kind of visibility will be common.

>>125863049
>>125863091
I don't think so, anon, I don't think so.

https://youtu.be/qlqTjEHzFAY

Watching this makes me fucking nauseous. What were they thinking? Why would they make visibility so ridiculously limited?

I was going to trade my Super Hornet for a Freelancer but fuck that.

>>125863091
Would be completely retarded to have an entire glass cockpit/bridge on a "cheap" vessel.

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>>125863091
I really hope you're wrong. I'm mostly interested in bigger ships but if this isn't the exception this game is going to suck for me.

Look at the Hauler in Elite Dangerous, it's perfectly fine.

>>125863157
Sure, but no need to go full retard on it either. The lancer would be fine if the chair was moved forward, the 50m of dashboard is just because croberts is dum

The freelancer isn't flyable in the PTU yet is it?

And how do I downgrade my ship into two smaller ones, I only have four months of insurance but I guess I don't wanna lose it, will I lose anything if I exchange all this for store credits and buy other ships or another package?

>>125863127
Because it's fucking realistic. I bet you wish guns never needed to be reloaded because it's 'too annoying'.

>>125856043
>it's very expensive
That's why they covered the Aurora in it, right?

>>125863091
well sure, but at least have some cameras located on the sides of the ship that you can access from the main panel. Some trucks have side-mounted cameras to improve the ability to park and navigate narrow corridors. Stuff like this would also add some increased depth for space combat because attackers could use EMP bombs to disable the cameras of larger ships and limit their range of vision.

How do I get out of my seat after I landed my constellation?

I'm always stuck as soon as I sit down.

>>125863285
you're just trolling, right? right?

please be, i can never know when it comes to sc aspies

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>>125863285
here's a cockpit of a C-5
notice the nice large windows and the lack of 40 acres of dashboard between the pilot and the windows?

that's because pilots need to see to be able to fly the fucking plane

>>125863381
ctrl+f

>>125863212
Actually, I think I am wrong. The freelancer stands out. Other large ships will have difficulty due to the bulk that's out of sight, but not because of cockpit visibility.

>>125863285
It's not realistic, you drooling mouthbreather, in a van or truck it doesn't matter, because you're moving in 2 dimensions, so as long as the horizontal axis is clear, you're good to go, but in a 3 dimensional scenario, with 6 axis of freedom, where the up and down are as important if not more, the freelancer cockpit is a fucking nonsense.

>>125863481
You can use third person unless you're trying to shoot somebody at the same time

So I haven't bought a thing in this game yet. What's got everyone worked up? I'm interested in the game, absolutely, but I can't afford vaporware.

>>125863621
Because that sure is realistic and immersive.

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>>125854553

I guarantee all those switches and knobs on the dash don't do a goddamn thing. Immersion or not, it's pretty fucking retarded having all that shit if it's not going to be used.

Also, my fucking stupid-ass got the Freelancer MIS. I guess it's time to melt that "military" ship and its small ass wsindow REAL QUICK

Poor Pleb here. Anyone have a sub link to the new JP that just came out?

Can someone link me to the expanse episode 2 on youtube? German youtube doesn't let me search for them.

>>125863716
you can get a Super Hornet for free by trading your lancer in, and if they ever fix it you can do it again

>>125863393
I think you should go back to wow if you want hand holding and casual gameplay.

>>125863481
up and down exists in 2 dimensions; 3d adds depth

>>125863670
You can always get it when it finally releases, but for a higher price.
Watch 2.0 videos or wait for a free weekend.
Is it good enough to spend whatever the cheapest package costs? Get it.
It's not enough? Wait until it is good/safe enough for you.

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>They aren't intakes

CIG..

CIG fucking pls stop

You've even put winglet greeble in front of them.

>>125863817
Holy shit, I think you're actually retarded! I'll do my best then, it depends on which 2 dimensions you pick, you can pick the whole horizontal plane, without up and down and it would be 2 dimensions, the "depth" would be the forward-backward axis.

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>>125863906

>>125863906
winglet?

>>125863817
>rotate ship on its side

>horizontal dimension becomes verticle

But yeah if this ships supposed to be in combat and not just rarely and only to evade that is kinda retarded

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>>125864124
All the useless thin panes of bodywork.

>>125864201
Ok, but those are not winglets.

>>125863785
get 2 MIS to SH ccu tokens
use one then get another 2 SH to MIS tokens, that way you can swap whenever you feel like it

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>>125863461
I guess it's a wonder the 747 ever gets off the fucking ground!

>>125864307
I didn't even know they were a real thing, I was just making up a word because they kind of look like they're meant to be small parts of the lifting body but aren't.

The more you know

>>125864012
> you can pick the whole horizontal plane, without up and down and it would be 2 dimensions

one plane is one dimension

>>125864197
depends on your reference. If I throw a ball and it rotates in the air, I'm not suddenly going to say that gravity is now exerting a horizontal force

Look, kiddies, I can school you in physics all day long, but we're getting side-tracked. SC is about immersion without compromises even if, perhaps, realism is a little too hard for you. Real life is tough.

>>125864379
unlike star citizen ships, modern planes can actually fly by their instrumentation.

>>125864379
The fact that the Freelancer cockpit is similar to an aircraft that is automatic and goes in a straight line for 95% of its flight, doesn't have to manouver or be in combat, and regularly flies IFR without the pilot ever looking out the windows, is a problem in itself, anon.

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>>125864624
Oh now real planes don't actually need windows? Which is it anon? Here's a B2 cockpit.

>>125864832
see
>>125864697

You can fly a B-2 with the windows blacked out, and its an aircraft not designed to manouver or engage in combat, ever.

>b-but the freelancer isn't designed for combat, either!

rear turret, MIS variant, and the armament say otherwise. The current FL cockpit looks acceptable if it was for a HULL series.

Is there any dank secret to increasing performance?
I'm getting sub-30 all the way down to sub-10 on a 2500k+7970ghz at low at 1280x768.
I mean, I knew this game wasn't optimized but fuck.
I'm already using the stability .cfg

>>125864939
The turrets and armaments on the B2 don't say the same? A bomber not meant for combat, or evasive maneuvers. The MIS was a poorly thought out Ben jew, the freelancer is not a combat ship. Deal with it.

>>125864992
yeah, going to best buy and buying a better computer

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>>125865219
>The turrets and armaments on the B2 don't say the same?

Considering they don't exist, no.

and yes, the Freelancer is designed to be able to engage in combat, or its entirely pointless as a ship. 'deal with it'

>>125864992
>doesn't even name a graphics card

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>>125865219
the missile racks, side and back turret disagree with you, anon. even the initial offering was fine save for a few tweaks to strut placement.

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>>125864536
>one plane is one dimension

>>125865386
Holy fuck is that an earlier concept art thing of the same ship? God damn that's so much better

>>125865221
Ayy lmao top shitpost

>>125865306
>7970ghz
>AMD HD 7970ghz

>>125864536
>one plane is one dimension
>Look, kiddies, I can school you in physics all day long

Oh God, you ARE a retard, but one of those that think themselves intelligent, please get a name or a tripcode, I find your kind so amusing.

>>125865574
That is the origianl concept for teh Freelancer cockpit.

They moved teh retarded struts away because people (correctly) pointed out that they blocked the view.

Now they re-do it, and add a few square miles of grey dashboard so you can't see shit again.

>>125865294
My mistake, I was thinking of the B52, which also has a tail gun. And a shitty cockpit view.

>>125865386
So the aurora and reliant are both combat ships too? Given similar armaments, and despite also being sold as cargo haulers. One might say the cockpit design disagrees with you :^)

>>125865643
>I find your kind so amusing.

Like how a plebeian might find a patrician amusing. Let me know when you make it into Mensa.

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>>125866092
>Let me know when you make it into Mensa

>>125866004
>both have combat variants

They're multiroles, yes. They're designed to be able to engage in combat.

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Is it a game yet?

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>>125866092
Oh God, I'm dying in here, please don't leave...

Hey guys, can we keep him as a pet?

>>125866164
The aurora is trash in combat and everyone knows the reliant will be too, because they're NOT designed for it, CIG just slapped some more dakka on them for shekels and to make them a little better cannon fodder in AC. They'll never be true competitors in a fight, they weren't designed for it.

and neither was the freelancer.

>>125866410
https://youtu.be/opMGRIpUbO8?t=16

You're just embarassing yourself to the point of "I'm always going to be correct and the devs will never be!"

For anyone wondering about the Sabre:

In PTU it currently has the following weapon slots:

Right Wing Class 1 Slot
>Size 2-4
>Turret, Gun
Left Wing Class 1 Slot
>Size 2-4
>Turret, Gun
Nose Slot
>Size 2-3
>Turret
Nose Slot
>Size 2-3
>Turret

This means that the wing slots can be:
Size 1-3 Gimballed
Size 2-4 Fixed

But the nose slots must be gimballed, like the Avenger or Gladius, as:
Size 1-2 Gimballed

It does not really look like a Size 4 gun would fit in the wing, but I don't have one to test it with.

The missile bays, powerplant, engines and shields are not visible on the holotable yet.

>>125866410
where the fuck have you been? the LN is still a fucking monster in a dogfight.

the freelancer, constellation, reliant and aurora are all multi-role ships. this means to secure those peaceful trade runs they prepare for fucking war.

>>125842461
maybe its a fucking design decision to not make this thing carry 100 fighters while two people stay on the ship to keep it running and make it OP as hell you dumb fag

>>125866626
>Class 1 Slot

Thats.. not a thing, but thanks

>>125856872
a-are you retarded?
you must be genuinely retarded holy shit

>>125866665
or maybe it's just bad design. I'd be all for capital ships operating like that with NPC crew filling in the spaces when people aren't able. It's a capital ship, it's a mobile projection of an empire's power. It should house the lion's share of a fleet.

>>125866738

That's the name it has in the holotable.

>>125866841
or maybe its a money decision, to fucking redesign the whole ship from scratch would cost another 100k + 6 months work

idk dude, design is so subjective, some people love the helvetica swiss style posters, some really dig expressionistic shit, that i cant stand, not every single ship or detail must be to your liking

some people like BMWs some like Fords

>>125863785
>>125864314

Fuck it, I felt nice and gave then 5 more bucks and got me the best ship. Time to admire the LTI Sabre.

>>125866947
Some people like shit, some people don't

>>125863906
>>125864201
>>125864307

So wait, do you guys think the Sabre will be able to remove the two gimballed size-2 guns for fixed size-3? I heard somewhere that it will be capable of 4 fixed size 3.

Also, is it 6 size 2 missiles, or 12 as the total?

>>125867390
The missile count is unknown, the whole missile hardpoint size system is completely fucked, and they said you can mount loads of S1s or a few large missiles in there.

4 fixed S3 seems possible.

Like that anon said, current the hardpoint support S4s, but its unlikely some of them even physically fit

>>125867382
>hurrrr theUS carrier Nimitz class is so retarded, these fucking idiots have a radio pole sticking up right against the bridge window HOLY SHIT ITS LITERALLY SHIT WHY DONT THEY SCRAP THIS SHITTY CARRIER HURRRRR
>Nimitz class has been introduced in the 70s and the design and development state was probably even ealier

oh wow some shitty old spaceship probably uses some old ass tech and design, im so suprised

>>125866956

Now that the wing slots have been down-sized a [Super] Hornet can offer:
>3F/3F or 2G/2G on the wings
>4G or 2G/2G on the turret
>3F or 2G or 1G/1G on the nose
>8 x S1 missiles

Whereas the Sabre has:
>4F/4F or 3G/3G on the wings
>2G/2G on the nose
>6 x S2 missiles

This feels pretty fair to me, but as it stands the Sabre could run two ballistic Size 3 guns on gimbals, which would be terrifying.

>>125867390
>>125867515

As the Sabre is in the holotable right now (2.1 PTU) 4 x Size 3 Fixed is not possible.

This is because the nose slots are Size 2-3 but they can only accept mounts, not actual guns. So once you put your Size 3 gimbal in there you are left with a slot for a Size 2 gun.

It is possible however to put Size 4 Fixed guns in the wing slots.

>>125867706
That makes no fucking sense.

CIG really needs to stop being so inconsistent.

>>125867706

I love this balancing. As long as the Sabre is a bit faster than the Hornet, but make it less tanky, I think we can settle the masses.

>tfw stealing people's ships and crashing them into other people's ships
glorius

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>>125867958
You want some attention? Here's some attention.

>>125848968
It's currently a tech demo. There is no game, yet.

>>125866947
Visibility isn't subjective

Freelancer is worse than before, comparing pilot seat views you can't see shit below

>>125868138
visibility in a big ass truck is terrible too, i dont get what you re trying to say

>>125868120
Not really.
It's the most fun the be had with the game as is.

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>>125868138
GIT GUD

Do all ships need to be so casual that you have to sit in in the middle of glass bubble in order to see everything? Do you even play video games?

>>125867829

It's working the same way that the Gladius and Avenger work.

This is also consistent with what is on the Ship Stats page.

If I were CIG I wouldn't really want four Size 3 ballistic guns on any single seat fighter, but who knows. They might change it.

>>125867917

There is too much up in the air right now (flight/gunnery/missiles/stealth) to really consider balance, but I think they're on the right track.

>>125868195
It's not really, you see over stuff and have mirrors.

Even a 747 you can see stuff over 40 degrees below horizontal, new freelancer can't see more than 10.

Makes good landing a pain.

>>125868307
You don't need the visiblity for landing, just use the landing system.

>>125868195
Not anyone you're talking to, but you actually have much better view in front of you in a real life truck, and mirrors let you have full control over your sides, except for a certain blindzone on the right. I know what i'm talking about when it comes to ground trucking.

While i don't mind a little hindered view, the freelancer view is just too much immersion. Transport ships in particular should have the best landing view of all the ships, since it's a part of their job to land and take off. While i find the asymmetrical seating and dashboard pretty nice over all, having a literal mailbox as your window is both unrealistic (this is not a 747) and makes everything less fun.

But i don't even have a freelancer so idgaf.

>>125868805
only works at designated pads, friendo. not every landing you make is going to be at one

>>125868959
And those rarer "off-road" landings will be more challenging. Is this not a good thing?

>>125869062
You can't see anything anon. Nothing. You're landing blindly. That's annoying, not challenging.

>>125868295
isent the sabre supposed to be light armoured as fuck? maybe the big guns are to compensate for it being a fragile fighter?

>>125866626
What are the hardpoints on a hornet in comparison?

>>125869905
aren't they the same? the hornet has the capacity, you just dont get the gear like a super shitter does. Right?

>>125869983
Shitter's hornet gets one bigger powerplant slot with its second seat

Otherwise it's just better components

>>125867706
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15014-Aegis-Sabre-Q-A

>it has 4x S3 hardpoints so you can rock 4x fixed S3’s or 4x gimballed S2’s(or a mix of both) if you desire

The size of the ship didn't really change, so assuming that it can mount S4s based on PTU stats somebody just slapped on there is pretty stupid desu.

>>125869905
Hornet has 2 S3 wing slots, 2 S2 on the upper turret and 2 S1 on the lower turret. Nose turret can be replaced by a S3 fixed, upper turret by a S4 fixed.

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>Make a detailed universe focused on fidelity
>Cover it up with mandatory helmets, and tiny cockpit windows

Chris has George Lucas syndrome.

>>125870134
The turret itself has a size which anything that uses the right amount of size slots can fit into, not just 2 x S2 or 1 x S4, if we're talking technicalities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlqTjEHzFAY

Doesn't it look IMMERSIVE and REALISTIC?!

>>125869226
It's not fucking sealed off, you can still see out the window. You approach the area you want to land in, tilt the nose down and look at the landing zone and then use that information to fly yourself in. Done it several times in other video games where you can't see below the dashboard

>>125870292
It makes me upset that we will never get a perfect space sim.

Both E;D and SC fail in some aspect.

Need a competent company like CCP to take up the mantle.

>>125870378
E:D fails at basically everything, SC fails at WiP cockpit design

I think I know which one I'm more hopeful for.

>>125869905

See >>125867706 for comparison.

Hornet vs Sabre in terms of firepower is going to come down to how well the S2/S3/S4 guns are balanced.

>>125869983

AFAIK Hornet and Super Hornet are the same weapon-wise, the military Hornet however might have bigger wing slots.

>>125869862

The idea is that it's lightly armoured and has stealth/speed to counter that.

I think it will have low-power, low-signature shields as standard, but you'll be able to sacrifice some stealth for better shields.

I hope it is fast, because the vertical cross-section is fucking huge.

>>125870134

The Q&A, the ship stats and the actual ship in the PTU are all different.

Everyone can see the website but not everyone can see the PTU, which is why I put it here.

The PTU loadout, to me at least, makes a lot of sense to balance the Sabre against similar ships.

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>>125870378
>competent company
>like CCP

>>125870814
Maybe I should have said old CCP.
I don't think any of the original guys actually work there anymore.

>>125870292
>a ship thats meant to fly a straight line from A to B in dark space is now being absused to fly a race in atmosphere
ok

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Where is it senpai? And where is My ORC Mk9 armor?

>>125870903
>a ship thats meant to fly a straight line from A to B in dark space

That would be the HULL series, anon. If you're flying your Freelancer as a trucker that avoids any and call combat, you're being inefficient as fuck.

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one of you subscriber cucks post the lastest jumpoint thanks

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God this view is terrible.

At the very least they should cut away where I've drawn in red, because blocking view as close to the middle as they are is disgusting

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>>125871245
or just eliminate the grey soccer pitch they put between the pilot and the window. the window itself is actually quite large but you sit too far away from it.

>implying freespace didn't have the best cockpit designs ever

>>125870963
right because we all know how the gameplay is gonna turn out in the release version

>>125871472
Its basic logic.

The least armed, highest-capacity ship is your best choice if you're not getting into a fight, taking safe systems or have an escort that does the fighting for you.

If you're hauling shit in a Freelancer its because you're trading lower capacity for better fighting ability, to make it through less safe systems, where you either get there faster or get a better payout per ton.

Anything else is just moronic, because the HULL is straight up better than anything else if you're not getting into a fight.

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>mfw cruising along with my saniclancer
Is there anything this based ship cannot do?

Also, Cutlassfags on suicide watch. Goddamn, i remember two years back when they were at the height of their delusions with classics like "It's made to bust up an escort and disable a transport! It'll destroy a lone Freelancer no problem!!!"

why doesnt sean just fucking shave his head, is he really running around with a huge bald spot on his head?

>>125871887
>Is there anything this based ship cannot do?
See shit hat is a tiny bit above or below you, and not having a few hectars of grey plastic in view at all times.

>>125871887
A Cutlass will destroy a lone freelancer though.

How can you kill that which you cannot see?

>>125872328
Nah, Ben straight-up said a Cutlass wouldn't be able to take on a Freelancer alone.

Because apparently "fuck the Cutlass" is a design decision

>>125872417
That wasn't Ben who said that.
I believe it was Jcrewe, it also was just theorycrafting before the Freelancer was flyable.

>>125872498
Might be mistaken, but its not really 'theorycrafting' if its said by a Dev. If they're intending to balance it to align with that, its not like they don't have omnipotence to do so.

>>125872417
>>125872498
>20 years before release
everything is set in S T O N E

>>125872573
yup just like they totally intended the starfarer and freelancer to be so big in the end it was all intentional to make them small at first just because

>>125872668
The comment was after all the reworks. It was like last month.

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Reliant flyable when?

Was there even a sale during the livestream?
I know there was the idris/javelins but I saw nothing else.

I swear ben mentioned something about everything that was on sale during the Anniversary coming back.

I saw nothing on the store page to indicate anything.

>>125872930
Around chrismas time all the limited stuff will go on sale

>>125873278
oh really? nice I wanted to pick up a warlock

>>125873324
Day after Chris mas I'm fairly sure was said

Aside from the procedural landing shit, was there anything cool in the livestream that I should see? Can't be bothered to watch it all for just some concept slideshows or that trailer again.

>>125873614
Tours of the freelancer and star fart sniffer, showed some work on idris/javelin.

Chris tried to 2.0, crashed shortly before doing something neat

>>125873850
Might look up those ships then, but at this point I'm not really interested in seeing more ships. More interested in tech.

Freelancer seems fantastic :3

>>125874021
best grey dashboard in SC

>>125874362
Its a fatass small ship mainly for carrying shit. Little truck. Comfyness is the point.

>>125874471
>Little

Did you see how mad chris got?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=307&v=cTdchKUqUFY

>>125874471
Except the planned HULLs which are much more of a dedicated transport have far better visibility planned.

Your point is dumb. The freelancer visibility is simply terrible

>>125874873
Nah. They'll probably use the style kitbash technique used on Aegis ships to have the HULL cockpits be very similar.

>>125874796
Good. He cares about his game.

>>125875220
derek smart touted how mad croberts got.

>>125875624
Who cares

>>125875624
And I've never seen Derek smart get mad about poor quality in his game. He thinks his shit don't stink.

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S-should I ccu my Aquila to a Carrack senpai?

>>125874954
Doesn't change the fact that you can't see shit out of the Freelancer.

The biggest problem is that half your screen is GREY DASHBOARD, which makes the holoscreens difficult to see and serves no purpose except to move you away from a seating position where you might actually see something.

>>125875624
Chris got frustrated at his game malfunctioning. Derek gets mad at people trying to tell him his game is malfunctioning.

>>125876038
Maybe, the Carrack will need a larger crew. If your ok with that then yes it a lovely ship

tfw you bought a caterpillar in the concept sale because you liked it the best of all the ships and its still not even hangar ready, but other ships have come out after and are flyable

>>125876038
When the carrack becomes available there won't be ccu anymore.

>>125870957

>ORC Mk9 armor
>Implying it isn't entirely forgotten because Chris is making more ships.

>>125877254
Next week we are getting an all ships sale, Carrack will be available for CCU, no?

>>125872032
why don't you shut the fuck up and worry about your own insecurities you stupid judgemental faggot?

>>125877882
So what's it like having a bald spot that big, Sean?

>>125877882
wow okay sean

>>125876064
you can quit trying to force your shitty meme now

>>125877882
just shave your head dude, you will look handsome as fuck

>>125877942
>>125877972
You all are so predictable, it's like you have no mind of your own.

>>125878273
whoa...soo..this is the..power of..shitposting

>>125878027
>>125878027
The Freelancer's front visibility is absolutely horrible.

I got the Freelancer pack years ago when it was first available and I haven't been melting / unmelting / buying more ships. But after seeing the view out of the cockpit, I'm gonna swap my pledge if that's how it's gonna be.

>>125877408
resbond pls

>>125877408
Actually with the new system it's possible.
My mistake.

>>125878798
I think he's saying by the time the Carrack is flight ready selling ships won't be a thing anymore. So get it while it lasts.

>>125878752
Alright sound good, now stop fucking whining about it. It's a fucking hauler not a goddamn fighter.

>>125879809
>Stop complaining about things that are wrong, why did they have to change the Hornet cockpit, everything cig does is right, reeeee

>>125880048
They just refactored it a third fucking time, move on faggot, it won't change.

>>125879809
"Stop complaining about things that are bad."

If you made a truck with a window like that in real life, you would get fired. Even the much larger Constellation, which is not expected to land on small pads (like the Lancer) has significantly better visibility out of the pilot's seat.

I don't even understand the thought process that leads someone to defend something this stupid.

>>125880048
CeeAiiReeeee

>>125880381
Yes it will, they go through endless iterations.
>refactored
You're using that word wrong.

>>125880384
it's not a matter of defending, CIG doesn't read this shitty board so whining over and over and over like a fucking sperg doesn't serve any purpose. other than to make you feel like you are accomplishing something by circle jerking with fellow autists

>>125880384
>If you made a truck with a window like that in real life, you would get fired.
fire by who?
the company that gave me the design blueprints and told me to build that truck like they want me to?

are you retarded?

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>>125880514
>Stop talking about the game in its general, you spergs!

>>125880514
You are melting down and screaming about spergs and circle jerks. Meanwhile, I am as cool as Iceberg lettuce being stored in the crisper drawer at 32f.

>>125880778
Thats pretty chill, cabbageman.

>>125872761
The dev was clearly retarded anyway, Chris has gone on the record multiple times saying (what is obvious to anyone) that its piloting skill that matters, Auroras can beat Hornets, etc.

Anyone who has played Arena Commander will know that if you can fly better than your opponent they won't land a hit on you, and the Cutlass is MUCH more maneuverable than the Freelancer. Even with both pilots equal the Cutlass will stand a good chance.

>>125880919
This isn't really how it works, though. A really good Aurora pilot can beat a completely incompetent Hornet pilot, that's true.

The best Aurora pilot will never beat a competent Super Hornet pilot, because the Super Hornet has five gimbaled size two guns with a huge forward firing arc.

In that situation, the Aurora pilot just evades and escapes, if he's smart.

>>125880919
>Even with both pilots equal the Cutlass will stand a good chance

Now thats some fine quality theorycraft, anon

>>125880778
damn thats cool as fuck

>>125881045
>The best Aurora pilot will never beat a competent Super Hornet pilot, because the Super Hornet has five gimbaled size two guns with a huge forward firing arc.

Play Arena Commander. That happens all the fucking time.

>>125880484
>Yes it will, they go through endless iterations.

I don't thank so anymore. This endless iterations crap has gotten out of hand. CIG said they may revisit ships after the game is finished. From now on they will make changes while it's getting hangar ready but once ships are flight ready the hull shape is where they want it.

>>125881121
All the Cutlass has to do is just get behind the Freelancer. That turret isn't' going to do much but be an annoyance. In a fight between brainless jousters, the Freelancer will probably win, but no-one who knows how to fly jousts.

>>125881351
Again, lovely theorycraft brother. Keep up the fine work.

>>125881447
If you've played the game once you'd know all of this is basic shit. Two ships just charging at eachother firing their weapons is not the optimal way to dogfight

>>125881563
Never said it was, Urist McTheory

>>125881254
Definitely willing to bet I have more hours logged in AC than you do. Go check the public leaderboards and tell me what type of ship everyone at the top flies, and which weapons they prefer. This does not happen all the time, at all.

When you run out of Tarantula ammo and your ship has been shot to shit by the four other F7s in the match, maybe the guy in the Aurora will get the killing blow on you, but he ain't going to beat you one on one. Especially not with the floaty flight model of 2.0.

Apparently 2.1 brings the flight model back much closer to previous iterations with tighter maneuvering, but I'm still not buying this scenario.

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People on the forum keep saying, "the view is fine! just fly by instrumentation!"

Meanwhile "instrumentation" is just a detail-less blue ball that only shows other ships, missiles and landing pads as dots, and a computer voice that occasionally gives vague warning about collisions.

>>125881828
>Go check the public leaderboards and tell me what type of ship everyone at the top flies, and which weapons they prefer. This does not happen all the time, at all.

Completely irrelevant to the discussion. The ships that are the best at points whoring/most popular on average have nothing to do with the discussion of "can a good Aurora pilot beat a mediocre Hornet one". Apparently you are more interested in puffing out your chest and saying "I totally wouldn't get beaten by an Aurora!". Good for you. But it happens all the time.

>>125882012
visibility is good enough

>>125876038
nobody wants to fly with a captain who stutters.

>>125882432
Kill yourself

>>125882483
Not him, but it's fine for a cargo freighter.

>>125882483
being this mad over virtual space ships
come on senpai

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>>125870957
>>125877280

What are you guys talking about? The armor you spawn with in the Baby PU is ORC armor.

>>125882616
Its fine for a HULL series ship.

Not a ship that is designed to be able to engage in combat, and has a variant specifically for milita use.

>>125882679
Where do you think you are, feg?

>>125882329
Though I admit one reason I see it happening a lot is that good pilots like to fly Aurora just to show off, because it is inferior in every way to other ships. The only other reason to fly it multiplayer is if you are POOR and don't want to use REC.

>>125882803
Bitch dont talk bad bout Aurora, its a fine lass. Dat comfy interior, dat double EVA doors for fast gtfo options, dat cockpit view

Think twice before dissin, or u gon get shanked by 2 Auroras in a dark alley.

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>>125882616
Meanwhile, the Reliant gets a giant glass bubble despite being just a cargo freighter.

>>125882946
I actually really like the Aurora, it's just not very good in Arena Commander for obvious reasons, unless you want to show off.

>>125882717
It's not meant to engage in combat. It has guns to defend itself, yes, but it's no dogfighter.

>>125883006

Reliant was designed by David Hobbins, who has previously designed actual vehicles. He did the Mustang as well, which I hate the look of, but the field of view, interior layout and space efficiency are all 10/10.

>>125883094
Yes it is.

Theres a variant specifically for it.

If it wasn't meant to be able to hold its own in a fight, you would just use a HULL.

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>>125882717
The Hull B and Hull A seem to have pretty nice views actually.

>>125882329
I actually like the dogfighting in this game, but this is still fantasy nonsense.

There are balance issues right now, especially with how 2.0 tweaked the flight model. More gimbaled guns = better than, and that's that.

>>125883067
It is the perfect ship for general fuckery.

>Release day chaos
>Whales exploding all over space
>Full throttle madness
>Only the simpleton survives

Aurora is a fucking Jeff Goldbloom tier ship. Everyone should have one in hangar.

>>125883006

That's because the Reliant is half Xi'an design. I do agree that the Freelancer's cockpit visibility is dogshit and the distance between cockpit seat and forward viewing window need to be reduced drastically for a wider field of view. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking, if they wanted to make it look more like a Starfarer they completely botched the interior aspect.

>>125883246
If you honestly believe that, I don't know how the fuck you get through a round of Arena Commander. Do you just fucking turtle and joust with Hornets and hope for shitters?

>>125883278

>Release day chaos

Can you even imagine how asshurt people are going to get over in-game police/security response? It'll be madness while everyone tries to see what they can get away with. Then someone will datamine how the whole thing works. Then it will be mercilessly exploited.

>>125883608
Except the PU alpha/beta will be relatively consequence free considering there will be a wipe, and people will already know that shit.

>>125883608
datamining and min maxing is the destroyers of all fun

>>125883225
>They kit bash the Hull series with Freelancer and Starfarer cockpit parts.

>>125883731
The last BETA versions will not have any wipe.

>>125883929
and you think nobody will work anything out before the last beta versions?

>>125883771
>datamining and min maxing is the destroyers of all fun

Ran across some streamers that were complaining that they couldn't get the 2.0/2.1 weapon data from the game files. They're hoping cig doesn't lock down game stats.

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>>125883771
this

>>125883771

well too bad loser, its how the world works.

>>125884156
>>125884156

Shit like that is why most streamers are FAGGOTS.

>>125884615
Not really. They're faggots because they act like faggots.

But wanting weapon data is 100% reasonable.

>>125884514
It's not how it used to be ~10 year ago.

>>125884514
>>125884156
they should lock them
and put some crazy encryption on it or whatever

why cant people just have fun without minmaxing your dps

just enjoy the game, lose yourself in the world, have an adventure, explore the things hidden in the galaxy

but no i have to know every little secret and eateregg NOW

i guess thats the reason i stopped playing MMOs, sick and tired of this shit, SWG was great for that reason

>>125884664
Whats the problem here?

>>125884664
I agree. If there was actually something there, I would get it, but it's just empty grey space.
I like the look of the window and I think that's fine, but what purpose does the brick in front of it serve?

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>>125884684
Feeling you man

tfw original backer who spent $200

tfw never kept up with the game, never came to these generals, dont know shit about whats going on in the game or otherwise

there's so much fucking shit, so many fucking videos, how am I supposed to process any of this?

whats new in 2.1 over 2.0?

>>125884684
>i guess thats the reason i stopped playing MMOs

Because other people play the game differently to you?

Pretty petty

>>125884925
>how am I supposed to process any of this?

By not thinking you're going to absorb years worth of content in a single sitting?

2.1 has the Freelancer flyable, Sabre WIP hangar ready, and a whole host of smaller changes.

>>125884925
Stay in hibernation for another 2 years

>>125884684

>w-why do people have to try? why cant we all be comfy space truckers? why do i have to be reminded that im a failure at both life and videogames?

>>125884904
Once again, what's wrong with that?

You don't just repost seemingly normal posts from the RSI forums and pretend like everyone understands your point.

This isn't Reddit, stop trying to get le epic upboats from your fellow channers XD

>>125884514
>Hey this is streamer tool shed #162
>Use this ship and load out because I say its best
>100,000 sheep swallow his bull shit
>HAHA look at that fagot over there flying that less optimal ship
>Lets kick him out of our guild kill him, haha fagot

>>125884664
no matter what CIG does, entitled forumdads will always be complaining

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Your ship is going to explode, you can't eject, you can only ram something with your ship like a grorious kamikaze pirot, which ship is your final target citizen?

890 jump

>>125884927
>>125885067
Are these supposed to be arguments?

>>125885154
I don't want to be the one to make it

:^)

>>125885067
whoa projection much friend?

>>125885349
Are you actually defending the Freelancers xbox huge dashboard?

Or the absolutely garbage seating positions in most of the fighters that CIG has put out?

>>125885234
Thats a lot more relevant to games like WoW or EVE where there are optimal loadouts / rotations and personal skill or application factors in very little.

You can follow a build (including character skills) and do well even if you're a moron.

Unlike in SC, where you can use the most meta loadout possible and still get shit on, and conversely even I can do quite well in a loadout designed to be ridiculous rather than actually effective.

Sounds like you're crying over nothing to me.

>>125885427
Its hard to construct an argument against an opinion.

Its a shit opinion, but you can't prove it objectively wrong.

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>>125884664
he sees as much as a freelancer pilot would see, just a strip

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>>125884925

Should've stayed asleep.
welcome to nightmare world.

>>125885410
ofcourse 890
juiciest target, guaranteed to yield salt

>>125885642
The whole 747 cockpit argument is pretty irrelevant and autistic, really.

Passenger jets don't engage in combat or do any sort of manouvering. Hell, the windows are basically entirely secondary. Its either autopilot or IFR most of the time.

>>125885642
Except he's closer to the window than the Lancer pilot.
in addition in front of him is a bristling set of controls which are near as important as actual visibility.

The pilot can also move his head around the cockpit to get better angles where as in SC it is fixed.

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>>125884664
so the issues you guys have is the blue area right?
well by putting everything one inch backwards towards the glas wont help visibility much because the red crosses show the displays with cram up against the hull, therefore you cant help this, unless you redesign the HUD

>>125885487

what exactly would i be projecting? just because someone uses greentext to imply your thoughts doesn't mean its projection.

>>125884925
there is a "baby PU" now available with one sector and a handful of quests and other shit, flying, fps combat, and so on.

Holy fuck guess what Chris did this time he 100 MILLION YOU SPENT MONEY ON THIS SHOVELWARE FUCK OFF TO REDDIT

>>125884904

Yeah while it might be unpractical for ships that player are meant to be zooming around the game that is something that has bugged me about the space stations we have seen so far. I feel Port Olisar would be a lot more awe inspiring if all the docking platform were not on the same plane. Even if the only when as far as having mirrored platforms on the "top" and "bottom" just to try to shake that sense that there is a up and down.

>>125885642
>he wants his rule of cool spaceship game to be realistic
I bet you're one of those fags who argues about wing designs on a gladius for muh realistic atmosphere flight.

>>125886002
those were not my thoughts tho

>>125886115
no my argument is that the freelancers visibility is fine for its job, being a cargo ship

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Just let the Freelance sit in development hell. At least the Aegis ships are showing progress. In fact I think its the manufacturer with the most completed lineup.

>>125885896
dude he has a huge panel of controls towering up before him, also the glas of a airplane is sloped, unlike the freelancers that might have some impact on the visibility sure