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Tribes General - /tg/

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Good old days edition

http://www.hirezstudios.com/tribesascend/home

Out of the Blue Update Changelog (December 10 2015):
http://www.hirezstudios.com/tribesascend/home/latest-news/view/tribes-ascend-blog/2015/12/10/out-of-the-blue-tribes-ascend-version-1.1-december-10th-2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9NGBCME9g [Embed]

>Tribes Universe: (Official site with links to download the legacy games in the series)
http://www.tribesuniverse.com/
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I wanted to get back into tribes but the launcher tells me to fuck off on any computer I try it on, despite having played in the beta a lot.

The launcher suggests a fix but the link it gives is broken.

So I sent hirez an email telling them they're all incompetent fucksticks.
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>>125655172
That'll get you a response I'm sure.
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>>125655278
I specifically told them not to respond and I wouldn't even try to fix the game now even if they personally delivered the fix on a diamond encrusted thumb-drive.

I don't want to play any more, I just saw this thread and thought i'd tell you.
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>>125655395
Game's dying again anyways, anon.
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>lose duel
>all my idiot teammate who comes along has to do is ground pound my opponent to finish him off before he grabs the nugget

>he sprays randomly with the LAR while the other guy dodges around and ground pounds HIM to death
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>CTF Arx Novena
>Light chaser, got semigud with shotgun
>Sanicing after some guy near our base, chase goes uphill
>Another light comes flying down the hill and is in my face before I realize it, as I'm still firing
>bang
>thunk
>K.O.
>Bodyblocked into oblivion
>guy starts bitching that I clearly hacked, he recorded it, whole nine yards
>okayfriendo.gif
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>>125657349
The hackusations are just ridiculous in this game. Kind of sad too. morgussian aka the brainless 50 on EU was calling me hacks yesterday after I chained him a few times with the AR. It was a simple close range duel where he hovered in the air trying to gp me with the only weapon he ever uses, the Thumper. I don't understand what kind of brain damage one has to have if even after 1000 hours of play time you don't learn the game enough to recognize simple aim from a bot.
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>>125658001
I got accused of hacking because I was landing long range spinfusor ground pounds while chasing. From a Level 50. And I'm 25.
Most of the server told him to fuck off fortunately
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>>125657349
I actually ended up with kill credit on a Heavy in a duel as a Medium because he rammed into me with too little hp, was amusing.
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>>125658001
>>125658176
>W-what? How did you beat me? I've trained for one thousands years, it's impossible!

As a side note, before I killed the idiot, he tried to votekick another player from the lobby because muh hax, too good. Me and three other people called him out on it, then he complained that we were harassing him, violating HiRez's EULA. Literally
>HAX, GTFO, REPORTED AND BANNED, DON'T QUESTION ME
Absolute trash.
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>>125658291
Most bs way to die so far was when I dueled a heavy using that portable nuclear bomb bolt launcher and the impact threw me at him killing me. Fat fuck.
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>>125659425
Groundpounding someone into colliding into you with enough force to kill them is some kind of next-level strat
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The guy that posts word salad in chat still thinks he knows me. Shit is creepy.
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>>125659787
I do know you
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meh, the game is still the same, now with only everyone having perfectly optimized loadouts and level 50 autists teamstacking every game no fun allowed

rip
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>>125660480
Everyone having optimized loadouts just makes the game more fair for newbies which is good. I haven't run into stacking that much.
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>>125660810
>just makes the game more fair for newbies
yet the grind for weapons is still there
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Ded game, ded thread.

HiRez is cancer.
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>>125661918
Zero midairs, no going fast. My man.
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>everyone calling the game ded, even in game
>just called it a night at 4 am after my first time playing
pls no
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>>125659995
You should have posted in word salad form if you wanted to spook me.
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>>125661918
>that image
Holy shit, that literal autism, yes I'm mad
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i miss playing tribes
hiding an inventory station in the enemy's base
farming them
now I bet the skill level is so high all I'd manage to achieve is being spinfusored to the face
if casuals played this I would play again.
tribes 1 was awesome holy shit transporting your team in a fucking flying vehicle that was the shit my god
tribes 2 wow this is even better than the first, servers are down fuck it I'll play through the shitty tutorial again, gotta get my fix
all the tribe iterations after that were shit. I think it was the homing missiles that first waned my disinterest.

/shitpost
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>>125662702
Time to get good.
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>like playing HoF
>re-install
>2+ heavies on a hill mortaring the flag 24/7 every single game
>new maps have flag sitting in a valley, making mortaring that much easier
>force fields and mines blown in one hit, cant be bothered to even use them
>cant expect anyone in pubs to kill mortarers since most are grabbing/chasing flags or in the gen room
>taking the time to clear the heavies is pointless due to the high health and the fact theyll be back in 15 seconds anyways

I just want to wipe squishy pathfinder guts off my visor, fuck this.
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>>125668342
>gen room
Gen rooms in my games are empty. Someone might blow it all up but after that it's all left alone because nothing can be upgraded so nobody cares.
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How can this be dead already. Why do people hate games I like? This and alien swarm don't deserve to be player-less.
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>>125669143
are you using quick match? doesn't really work.
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>>125670402
Even in the server list there's 1 full CTF server with the only others have 1 person in them and none for any of the other game modes.
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>>125670832
I'm not sure why it's dying so quickly considering most people liked the patch. Too bad.
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What is the point of medium at the moment?

The shield pack is weak as without perks.
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>play tdm against people
>they go for the most boring tactic ever, auto into groundpound into auto finisher
Why people don't try to go for blueplates is beyond me
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>ded
But it's not ded at all
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alright so i just started to play this game again after 2-4 years or so, since it released

what is the best go-to class/loadout for beginner? light seem to do nothing, especially vs heavies, medium is meh and heavies are so fucking slow.
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>>125673698
Just go for a basic medium setup, the default one is pretty good, maybe use a blinkfusor instead of the default one because they're probably superior
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>>125673698
If you want to go fast, do Spinfusor (or blinkfusor, if you think you can handle 100% inheritence)/Falcon/anything else, with either Light Energy/Thrust for capping/chasing, and just go fast and try to hit people.
For medium, you don't play medium
For heavy, run bolt launcher or spinfusor and chaingun or lmg, and just sit on the flag. Mortar is good too, 4th weapon is kinda unneccessary and not used much. Good for a throwaway for a repair gun, though.
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>>125671613

There's really no exposure for this patch, no advertisement. /vg/ and my old subscription to the Hi-Rez Tribes youtube channel are the only places where I've heard of it.
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>>125655172
You are probably using an old version of the old launcher aren't you? Uninstall it then re-install it to get the new one, then you'll be able to download the game.
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>>125669143
>1280x1024
i hope you are at least using a crt. otherwise 2005 called and wants their office equipment back.
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>>125676212
I play on 1366x768. Please don't bully me.
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LACKING

WEBMS
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>>125676212

I play 1600x900 windowed mode.

Fight me, butcher.
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>>125677707
Ok now to do homework
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Starsiege or nothing, you bunch of shazbots
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>>125681829
Get with the times grandpa
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>>125674028
>4th weapon is kinda unneccessary and not used much
Except you could be using it with Saber just to piss off vehiclefags.
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Any tutorials on how to git gud at the game?
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>>125681829

hi dare, what's it like to be a stupid shit?
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>>125677707
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>>125684443
VGCA
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>>125683150
look up 'how to ski' and watch some competitive footage
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Mr op, you picked a bad picture and also it's /tag/ u shitlord
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>>125661918
>more flag defense per hour than me

I blame only my time spent as a tech.
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>>125686678

Not OP but did tribes general ever have a tag like /tg/ or /tag/? It was just called Tribes General or something like that.
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>>125686931
Forgot image
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>>125687109
Actually reading through this. A lot of this information is very weird. Go by the site stats.
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>>125677707
kk
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>>125677707
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>>125687694
Oh shit, I remember the days of using the minecraft ini.
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>>125687694
>>125687985

That's funny.
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>>125688060
fuck those shields. i once got destroyed by them from a perfect b2f on blindstar. the shields went up just when i grabbed the flag so i slammed to the inside wall of the shield on the stand.

>>125688250
anything but
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>>125688713
Do you vff?
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>>125688868
yes. did there, too.
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>>125689457
I feel like doing vff makes people grab on purpose. People being dicks
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Last one, heading out
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So how many people actually still play Tribes: Ascend?
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How to open console after match?
I hear people write but I can't open it.
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>>125688713
>>125689457
how'd you get the game to look like this? i want it
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>>125690148
Gotta hit T.
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>join arena
>heavy
>join another
>arx buster
>plus like 5 similar fails earlier
Where the fuck is muh blue plate duel?
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>>125661918
How do I get to this screen? It's not the one on the hirez website
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>>125693361
in game
social->profile
or something like that
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Alright guys, I just logged in to my account after not playing for over a year and now I'm somehow a VIP account, with 98% complete in every class (also have 9 loadouts for every class, holy fuck) and everything seems to be unlocked.
What the fuck happened, what gives, what did I miss?
pls give good loadouts for classes, I don't know shit
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>>125693606

Hirez unlocked everything for early supporters, or something like that. No idea what are some good loadouts now, haven't played for two years or so.
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>>125693598
did I do good dad?
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>>125682041
I'd rather just take something else. It's only really useful against tanks and people who think they're birds.

It shits on bikes but people barely use those, and any half decent shrikefag is just going to herd all the missiles behind him and continue to shit on my light teammates/flag cappers.
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Did the game actually get better or worse in past one and half years?
Can snipers no more headshot and do anything?
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>>125696514
Snipers are literally useless. All the fun if hitting single pixels moving at sanic speeds, now with 1/10th of the damage. You do less then a fifth of a lights health and are shaving slivers off of a heavies healthbar. No headshots.
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>>125696845
so it's a SANIC quake now?
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>>125690380
I think I was using this one:
http://pastebin.com/91FhjJMK
https://i.imgur.com/lCKgskS.jpg

This is prettier if you have a decent PC:

http://pastebin.com/ZCkd8nKi
http://imgur.com/a/183fa

Not sure if there are any compatibility issues since the new update. I'm using the low settings myself now to get over 150 fps.
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The people who are still upset about tribes being dead are literally refusing to acknowledge the game's revival because they want to keep it dead, so that they can be right. how retarded must one be to do that.
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Guys.. If you're holding the flag, please eat your nuggets. I leave them all for you. They heal you now. You should never stop eating nuggets until you're full.
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>>125700937

Nuggets? You mean the little packs that killed players drop?
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>>125701082
yes
unless you're leaving them for someone else, always eat your nuggets
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>>125701397
Germany please
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>Cool, tribes is back.

>CTF servers full
>That's good

>3 new maps
>okay not looking so bad
>Oh, they're all basically dm maps

>Oh, rage is on all lights now....
>Well rage is what killed the game imo but whatever

>Lights can survive a heavy plate to the face
>hmm, not too sure about that

>VGS spam non stop,
>Like ye olde dayes
>Annoying voice packs, people spamming after securing an auto kill in a 3 v 1

Why'd I let myself believe?
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>>125661918
Consider suicide.
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>>125703290
>Lights can survive a heavy plate to the face
You should be squashing lights like bugs. Heavies are very OP. You just can't one shot anything anymore.
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The X1 is so nice. 100% inheritance chain feels so damn good on the fatties. I wish it had a larger mag though.
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>>125704493
It's not about destroying them, its about them being able to take a heavy fucking plate to the face.
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>>125704923
Which is fine really. Midairs are so easy to do from close distances that lights would get obliterated every second. At least chain a bit before plating or something. Make use of the arsenal you have.
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incoming enemy shazbot
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it was a good ride, time to pack up.
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cuck bump
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>"The game was not properly authenticated at launch time"

I redownloaded the game the other day and keep getting this bullshit error message on startup. Any ideas on how to fix???
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how alive is this?
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post ebin fails webms
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this game is a dead fucking game fucking die already
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Tribes is fun
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im gay
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>>125718317
A few full servers. Plenty if you want to play. Even when it was abandoned there was usually a server. I don't know if these generals will last very long, but the game is probably fine.
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how are people so fucking bad at this game still
its not even just the silvers anymore, its fucking everyone
i want to die
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>>125690148
the squiggle!
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>>125718474
>>125714325
It would be embarrassing if this was all the same person haha
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So when they made boosting even harder, what was the thought process? What were they balancing
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Is it me or capping on the new maps is really hard?

Also they've removed orbital strikes, I used to rely a lot on that to clear the defenders.
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>>125732048
That fucking lake mountain one is bumpy as all hell. What the fuck is a smooth tool?
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>tfw wanna get back into the game but haven't played since the beta and am completely lost with all these new weapons and other changes
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[VGTG] I am the shazbot!
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>>125734956
Just use spinfusor. really not much to know. last game I was in everyone was spaming LAR and being free blueplates
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>>125732048

it's harder because there's no longer any music to go fast to

why did they rush out these shitty maps
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Anyone have a link to the unofficial soundtrack /v/ put together for this game years ago? I still have the playlist file, but the songs it's pointing to are all dead links. I suppose I could just go back and compile it myself, and I will do that and share it in the next General thread but if anyone has it now that'd save me the hassle.
It had shit like Queen's Don't Stop Me Now and the Ducktales game's "The Moon".
The soundtrack was particularly cool because each track was linked to a class
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>>125738679
If you liked the music you would have gotten it, faggot.
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>lobby shows 30/28 slots
>server shows each team has 16 slots
>can't join
Man they really need to fix this game. Skiing is fucked. Browser is fucked. Many little fuck-ups in the messages down the bottom (such as you can apparently still use callins and credits) and some old hotkeys (such as again, callins)
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>>125738679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zKhsT5naI&index=1&list=PLACw7SFmY8nfHLMe3uzaQ0jUuAyOoWEgL

Have this instead
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>>125738679
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5380790AE9414BC5

Is this it?
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>>125740242
My nigga. I think I was searching for tribes and ascend as two words, and not the one like the playlist is. Thanks!
>>125738972
Don't be dumb. The mp3s were on an old harddrive of mine that I don't use anymore since it died, but the playlist was still pointing there to find them.
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>>125741828
>getting music you like is dumb
Okay I'll just shit up a thread to ask stupid shit I could have avoided with common sense instead.
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>>125740242
Based>>125740093
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mfw i finally got my first slayer

but i was playing midfield fat on perdition
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>>125749965
I dont know if you can tell. But the hitbox on this spin is almost old plasma canon levels. Still takes more skill but this shit is big now.
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Who /drunk/ here?
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Am I supposed to hold W while in the air to go forward?
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>>125750967
I
AM
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>>125751539
MAH NIGGA
Also I hope that clip was from a sober playthrough otherwise I'm gonna feel extraordinarily embarrassed at my regular playing
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>>125751539
Yea, its from earlier. Im just getting on now though.
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Please bring back br servers hi-rez.
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>>125676212
My main monitor shit itself. It's a samsung which has a lot of documented cases of blown capacitors, so I thought that was it and checked them all out but they were fine. I have no idea what the fuck is wrong with it so for now I'm stuck playing on this literal-office screen (dell ultrasharp).

Send help or death.
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>>125754996
Whats your fov
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>>125755082
Maximum.
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>no 0% inheritance Spinfusor
The 100% (blink) are the worst.
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>>125757365
Bit it takes so much skill to not lead shots anon
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>>125757365
Do you only go slow
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>>125757472
Mind retrying your sentence, anon?
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>>125757550
No, im /drunk/
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>>125757546
I play all armours. Try the 50%s for a while, then swap to 100%. It's so goofy and needlessly painful.

You're slightly moving? lamo enjoy the weapon flinging your disk far far out for no reason. You're going fast? Forget it :^)

Why not a 0% where you lead normally. Like every other game that has projectiles where you need to lead. You calculate time with distance and there's your attack.

>>125757598
Ah, drunk people in game are useless. Much like when posting.
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>>125757550
He's saying that you don't have to lead shots when chasing with the blinkfusor since your shots will fly very fast
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>>125757635
idk I could cap out this game but im going easy
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>>125757635
Well yeah I've been using the default spinfusor when I first started out playing a few years ago,l but since coming back I've been using the blinkfusor more and more. You have to get used to it but it actually feels pretty intuitive after a while
And 0% ain't worth shit except for dueling, since it'll be way too slow when people are going fast
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>>125757674
Oh I see. If you're using a blinkfusor, go fast and faster speed = faster projectile speed. The original comment is all sorts of fucked up. Again I didn't reread it much.

Regardless, I'd like a 0% to experience what it'd be like. Not like I'm asking for slowfags or heavies to be stronger or so either.

And speaking of drugs, anyone played T:A while on anything? Alcohol would be pointless. Not sure what else could be interesting. Vidya is the last thing on my mind while high on something. I want to talk, chill out and meditate.

>>125757747
I'll try the Blink out on all my loadouts then. Maybe I'm just being an impatient retard. I've noticed my gameplay is very hit and miss. Sometimes I'm MVP on everything every game for a few hours and have dank mid-airs, othertimes I'm middle score and feel like I'm doing fuck all, missing easiest chains and mid-airs.
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Apparently Tribes will have a team of three people working on it now

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-many-sins-and-possible-redemption-of-tribes-ascend/

>The “out of the blue” patch isn’t a funeral dirge for Tribes, either. McBride said another patch will follow. His hope is to see a bump in player numbers, but he doesn’t know if they’ll stick around. “That’s partly why we’re experimenting with game modes right now,” he said. “If we bring back the middle core player, the people who really loved the game but didn’t stick around for very long, if they come back around and there’s nothing really that new, like a new game mode that is a very different experience, they’re probably going to drop out again after about a month.”
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>>125757816
I feel like Tribes is a lot about getting in the 'flow'. Once you're in, you just know where to aim to hit those blueplates, you'll flick your wrist and things just pop, you hit those perfect skiing routes and go super fast. But when you're out of it or getting frustrated, you'll just get stomped on by everyone else.
If you haven't been playing before the new patch then now's the time to try out the blinkfusor. Your muscle memory isn't set in stone and can be reprogrammed, especially now.
I'd say that blinkfusor should definitely used by most all lights, since it's just so good when going fast. Mediums that spend a lot of time attacking or defending flagstands can probably also do with the regular spinfusor, since they won't be as fast as often. I've been playing pretty much only medium back then, but I've been trying out light more and more now.
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>>125757747
Even normal spin now, you have to lead so much at high speeds close range. But I like the trade off. Because you no longer need to predict as much and it is just more about leading at the right angle.
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>>125758079
>Clearly misses
>Hits
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>>125758215
His target was pretty laggy
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>>125758215
I live in maine, even in eat servers my ping isn't that good. Im just good at hitting laggy people.
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So TL;DR Blink if you're sanic and regular if you're slow.

What are twins for? Shitters? I only see shitters use them.
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>>125758409
I think it was last thread, but twin has the most "knock back" so you get more boost out of shots and can clear the stand easier. Id say its personal preference at that point.
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Am i the only one who feels that engineers and infiltrators, also raiders and scramblers became basically useless this patch?
The whole base fighting aspect is extremely poor now that you cant upgrade. Turrets die in few seconds from mortars and heavy spinfusors, shield does basically nothing. Infiltrator is raped by lack of perks that allowed for more explosives/better melee, heavy with mortar (read: literally every heavy now) can destroy the generator a lot faster and multiple times before he has to replenish ammunition, unlike infiltrator with pathetic two bombs.
Scramblers are not so useful anymore since there are no infiltrators, and majority of raiders simply became heavies rather than mediums.
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>>125760145
Juggernaut could always destroy generators easily but had troubles fighting with other people in close quarters (when they were smarter than standing on mortar rounds), small spinfusor secondary/x1, spinfusor discs (only two) and thats it.
Brutes on the other hand werent that good when it came to destroying generators because of low refire on heavy spinfusor but they could handle players a lot better. They also sucked in outdoors combat unless youre bluedisc/revolver pro.
Now heavy spinfusor/energy crossbow + mortar + X1/chain + autoshotgun/gladiator + disco + shield gives you suffiecient power to destroy every single turret/radar from afar while ignoring its shield, blow up generator in seconds, and then win every single fight indoors while being very capable outdoors.
theres simply no reason to choose anything else for base attacks anymore.
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>>125760145
Straight up every medium role has become worthless.

I still keep playing it though. I feel too weak as a light and too slow as a heavy. Maybe I'll be able to find a niche it can fit.
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>>125758409
Clearing mostly. You get two shots off to the stand + possibly a nitron to clear whatever rubble is on it better.
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>>125760654
Light aren't even that weak, they have 500 less health- which is 1/3 less, sure, but they also have a lot more mobility to make up for it
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>>125760654
Mediums are good duelists (not like that means much) and can repair (adv tool) that's mostly it.

>>125760145
Inf are mostly worthless, yeah. Sents are great if you're a very good Sent but damn feels like they were nerfed just a bit too much. I understand they're frustrating though. And Raiders are yeah kinda meh, but okay at bum-rushing and quickly destroying enemy structures.

Weird since most players hover around the enemy base. I don't understand why they nerfed and ruined so much shit from two years ago when they shot the game in the head and left it to bleed.
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heavies are so fucking retarded
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>>125760834
Which is worthless now since base assets can't be upgraded so there's no point repairing them.
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>>125760967
Yeah that's true. I've spent a handful of games the past couple days as the repair whore and it's so shit. Structres are an absolute joke.

>turret
lel miss every single shot
>sensor
It's okay.
>generator
Only thing useful for is the deployable shields.

Deployable turrets are nearly worthless. As if they were strong before, right? Nope. They're a decent alarm and plink damage, that's it. And most of all, repairing takes so fucking long. The time needs to be cut 25-50%. Reduce the XP, I don't care. It takes way too long to repair.

I didn't mind repairing years ago. Being the sole base defender keeping it all in check. It sort of paid off. But now, it's even more tedious and less rewarding/worthwhile. The fuck are the clowns balancing smoking?
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this game might be even shittier than before
>u want to cap/chase people who cap?
play light
>u want to do anything else AND be useful?
play heavy
so many different ways to play the game!
it became one big le spin disc maymay gun duel game with no varied gameplay
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>>125760834
>good duelists
Is that a meme? What does it even mean?

>vs light
>they leg it once their HP gets below half so it's a race to finish them off with a rifle before they're out of range

>vs heavy
>they have so much HP their mates show up by the time you've got them low and you get gangbanged
Even with 3 arx nades directly on a heavy they shrug it off.
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>>125762137
Glad I'm not the only one who is sick of people dueling 24/7 in CAPTURE THE FLAG.

>>125762162
>i dun understan therefore i call it a meme :)
I bet you think heavies are overpowered too.
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Vehicle station is important. I see everyone bitching about the shrikes, but you could just take the gen room or focus the vehicle station and fix the problem.
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>>125762210
Mediums are not the best duelists in the current version of the game mate.
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>>125762210
ctf used to have depth in base defense, upgrade turrets, scan base for infiltrators, repair turrets/radars/generators so you can defend the flag better, so doombringers can set up shields etc.
now its all gone.
theres just one or two heavies masturbating in the generator room, some super high rank 100% inherit fusor duelers, some cappers, and rest is tards who take shit loadouts and get raped 24/7
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>Terminus
>Blueshift
>Temple Ruins
>Tartarus

Why are these maps still in the game
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>>125762359
>any map other than crossfire
People have shit taste these days.
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>>125762359
>Terminus
>bad

you faggots have the worst taste imaginable.
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>>125762529
I hate that map, for some reason it's always full of Shrikes.
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>>125762293
>good = best
k
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>>125763323
They're not even good unless you're vsing a retard.
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>>125763356
You can say the same about anything.
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I only play for the VGS
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>>125762529
It's pain on offense.
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>>125760145
Infiltrators' stealth got kneecapped as well. The reveal speed was lowered to 100 (essentially still), so you have to walk and actual infiltration is such a pain.

Heavy can pretty much do any job these days. Kinda hoping they are considering rebalancing.
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>>125763932
Giving Heavy 4 weapon slots might've been too much. Limiting it to 3 would mean they'd have to sacrifice something.
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>>125764030
It would improve situation.
The current bases are pretty useless. All base assets are made from breadstick so why bother repairing gen at all, since radar's only useful one and breaks whenever someone sneezes at its general direction.

Personally, my changes:
>Heavies are slightly less sturdy, more limited loadouts.
>Base assets are not as flimsy and are actually useful enough to justify generator
>Unfuck stealth
>Impose limits on vehicles, maybe bind building them into resources that are generated as long as generator is online.
>Maptools
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>>125764390
shrikes not being able to outrun missiles would also help

a "competent" shrike pilot can stay alive forever
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>>125764623
Yeah, alternatively giving other classes AA weapons could help. Technically you could land al arx buster shots, but eh. Or making turrets actually more dangerous to Shrikes.
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>>125763451
This, VGS is the only reason to play.

What is your favorite VGS, /tg/?
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>>125766502
VGQ because people talk way too much in-game. Otherwise VGTA 4x so it sounds like "Aw, aw, aw, aw, that's too bad." if I'm heavy and making people mad (ie shrike niggers chasing me the entire match like it's their purpose in life)
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>>125767008
>VGQ because people talk way too much in-game.
Sounds like you hate fun.
Are you also level 50?
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>>125767384
>spamming irrelevant keys is fun
Simpleton.
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>>125764390
Heavies need a nerf or other classes(medium mostly) needs a buff.

I like them as they are. I'd rather play on a server with none of the turrets or sensors available. They work as area denial, nobody is dumb enough to go near turrets or ignore them but I would hate for them to be anything like they used to be. Man vs turrets was the real cancer of live before. Passive defensive crap had to be nerfed. I'm not sure about the turret health though. Two mortars kill them almost too easily but a medium with chain, spin and AP nades can't do any decent damage to them.

Stealth also needed a nerf but I don't see anyone using it now. I don't know how it works in good hands. Most of the people who used it were just using it as a crutch to score a few easy kills here and there or to hunt people they couldn't kill otherwise. It was cheap, annoying and served little useful purpose in CTF without being completely OP. I still think full invisibility is dumb as fuck but I don't think we're going to get rid of it entirely now. I have to see it used to judge.

Vehicles need a cooldown and a limit for purchases so we don't see two Beos and two Shrikes on both sides in the beginning of the match. Spamming vehicles were annoying already before but now it has gotten out of hand. I do enjoy the fast Shrikes as a pilot but it's just too powerful and easy to score kills and stay alive with them.

Maptools would be great and all but I'd rather see the current game patched fully before extra stuff like this.

>>125766502
All the useless crap like VTT, VSUS, VSTF, VDE, VSUG etc.
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>condescending level 50s who play nothing but the purest light honorubru pathfinder loadout bitching about literally everything

ew
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>>125768005
wat
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the update is pretty much what I expected, at best a weeks worth of fun until you realize nothing has changed

oh well, at least they tried
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>>125768386
>nothing has changed
wat

What did you want to be changed more than they did now?
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Fuck this game
They didn't fix anything and made it only worse
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>check folders
>DO_NOT_DELETE.txt
>it's empty
Is this a trap?
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>>125768386
>>125769506
>nothing has changed
>they didn't fix anything

is this a joke?
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>>125770576
I kinda agree with them. What have they done that's noticeably better? Shrikes are still around and are easier to get. No cost, no cooldown. What the fuck?

Skiing/physics are somehow worse (random slow downs and taking damage) it isn't very fluid.

Defense and repairing are EVEN WORSE. What the fuck? They were shit as it was. Any fucking faggot can destroy all mines/shields/deployables instantly. They're fucking worthless.

Removed classes. More casual pandering.

It's more like a Cowa Dooty now where the meta is every asshole sitting on the enemy base and dueling the entire match while one or two get flags/chase and maybe get caught in the dueling shit-fest. Most games are total landslides like 0/5 because one person caps while everyone else bukkakes eachother with disks.

Fuck this fucking shit meta and "changes" they did fuck all. I still like the game, because it's fucking Troobes. But it's sorry in the current state.
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Is flag physics different?
I can't predict flag's flying/bouncing for shit.
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>>125770920
>Removed classes. More casual pandering.
>this is what ascendfags actually believe
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>>125772625
Great counter argument. Sure made me rethink my perspective on things. I'll be sure to pay more attention in future on posts with memes--They're certainly relevant and useful.
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>tfw game is not surface-underground layer anymore
>you will never run with scrambling pack to find multiple infiltrators inside base
>you will never be that one engineer taking care of base and repairing everything, to get credits and teams appreciation
>you will never be melee infiltrator with prism mines or normal stickies since you cant carry many of them anymore
i can only name one thing this patch brought:
more players (for a short time most likely)
now the game is shallow dueling, nothing more
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>>125766502
Vgca. I vgca all the god damn time
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heavies ruined the game
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>>125770920
Defense was always too fucking strong. The D stack is what made most pub games downright infuriating to play. Few people going offense, the rest sitting in the base doing fuck all and only worrying if the generator is online. Stagnant games, people sitting half idle waiting for someone to attack, cappers running routes which end up to the enemy stand cluttered with deployables while the enemy team and HOF never even saw what happened.

Easy, truly casual pandering shit like repairing and upgrading base assets got nerfed/removed and deployables got too. Defense was and will always be easier than going offense and defense is still rewarded more(although not as much because no credits) and punished less if you fail because all you have to do is ski down from the nearest spawn point. If your concept of defense was relying on passive stuff like turrets and mines which did your job for you, had no skill or depth involved at all, it's no surprise you are getting stomped on by experienced players on O who never even had the possibility to use gadgets to their advantage and previously had to fight against powerful base assets, plethora of deployables and the players themselves, spawn wave after spawn wave. So grab a loadout which doesn't make you caress the turrets and fight against the offense.

I know there are people who just TDM in CTF but killing the enemy D near the stand and base is disrupting, directly beneficial for the capper which needs the enemy to clear away from the stand. You are drawing attention away from the stand and flag. Your job on O is to give a window for your capper and that means you will be killing and destroying everything all match long in the enemy base. For pubs with little to no coordination, killing literally everything seems to be the most effective way to do O.
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>>125776089
>defense was way too strong
Unbelievable. Anything can instakill defense. Juggernaut ALONE could wreck an entire base in seconds (esp flag stand) Like what the fuck? Sick of these PTH that can't even play the game and expect the flag to be handed to them.
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How do I even uninstall this?
>open as administrator
>"you are not running as administrator"
>nothing happens
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>>125776089
Seconding this. I mained INF before 1.1. With fatties and techs sitting on their asses in gen room, only safe way to get inside and bring down the generator was to clawing it until it explodes.

Aaaaand techs patch it up in seconds. Did the capper get the flag? He ran into a HOF? Fuck.
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ded
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>>125727390
It's not really harder?
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>>125727390
Self impact is increased by 25%? What the hell are you smoking? Two Explosive Nitrons boost you up to 300 sanics now.
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>>125732179
That lake mountain one is an adaption of a T2 legacy map (damnation)

it is also smooth like a babys butt compared to the original

tiem to lrn2ski
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>>125750197
Spinfusor hitbox is 15 (was 2 (!) first, then 10)

Current plasma is 35.

I think it was 50 before that, might have been even 70 on original relese.
Chain is 25, was 50 before.
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>>125776549
Sick of these what? It sounds like you've never had to go against D before OOTB. When I'm on O I either encounter a D which is so strong/stacked that staying alive a few seconds is a challenge or a D which consists of turret huggers who's only job seem to be keeping the base assets running. The latter wouldn't even care if they were shelled by mortars; they'd just keep repairing like drones and it usually meant a 5 - 0 steamroll victory for the opposite team.

Killing on O is considerably harder than killing on D. Instakilling is easy on people who are unaware of what is going and there just seems to be more people completely lost in their own world playing D.

Base assets are easy to destroy with right weaponry and easy to repair. I have no problem with that. They are a distraction, never the objective, and something you should worry about only if everything else is in order and if you have time. In most games people should just quit caring about them and actively defend. There are a lot of matches where half of the team is just dead weight. Go roaming D, go HOF with more brains than to lay down your FF and mines or go snipe and spot cappers.

The next time you see a Jug shelling your base, go duel it away or better yet, kill it. At least distract. Do something to stop it from clearing the stand. At the very least harass it on the right moment any way you can. You potentially prevented a grab which is infinitely more important than anything else you could be wasting your time on at your base.
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>>125732048
Cappers aren't supposed to be self clearing everything, Akane. More importantly the strikes were a terrible mechanic. Also yes the Damnation remake is terrible imo. Looks like some alpha placeholder for playtesting, is too bumpy and too small.
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>>125776549
Hard to wreck anything when you are outnumbered and outgunned. Dunno what servers you played on, but the standard procedure in EU (up until most shitters left the game) was like 4 people on offense, 3 of those humping a generator and ignoring the stand, vs a double hof and 6 technicans/roam D humping turets and swarming you the minute you got closer than 50 meters to the base.

You'd literally spend 5 minutes mortaring down level 4 turrets and sensors, and by the time you were done, some fag would have repaired the first one over and you had to start all over again. Because trying to approach the base and actually fight the D to face is meaningless when you are massivvely outnumbered, they have a fucking wallhack in the sensor, AND there's a billion automations ready to rip you apart.


Like it or not, the spawn in loadout -mechanic necessitates relatively weak defensive assets. By nature spawning right next where you need to be in full gear is such a MASSIVE advantage to defense vs offense, who have to spend a minute traversing the map before they can even do anything. And this is without going into the numbers game - there's always more people on defense in the typical pub. Why? Because it's easier to gank people, it's less punishing and you are less at risk of death because of all your teammates constantly around you. It makes you feel good. Playing offense makes you feel like a shitbag even if you are an above average player, simply because you're almost always fighting stacked odds.
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desu if they banned all rank 50 game would become legitemately better
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>>125804697
B-b-but th-then i would be banned too, anon-kun.
Also, what happened to PUGs?
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>>125803869
Literally played hundreds of games like this on O in EU. Best shit is to hear the trash talk for "playing TDM and not CTF" in post game lobby as an explanation to why my team lost. I often didn't even launch the game if I couldn't get anyone to join me at offense - just because how frustrating it was to do alone.

Fuck I could probably make a montage of the greatest groundpound stares ever seen, the 300+ base repair medal stats and furious messages telling to defend the generator.

>>125804697
Where does this rank related retardation come from? Is it an NA thing to see level 50s be assholes on pubs?

Good thing I have a smurf I guess.
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Rest in RIP game
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>>125805519
>>125805739
rank 50s tend to stack in one team and use the cheesiest weapons available, making the experience of crappy game even worse to new players.
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>>125808425
True for some assholes but what the hell is a cheesy weapon?
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>>125803869
Recently I've been really into playing sort of offensive medium asshole, EMP grenades, arx, thumper, aggravating everyone on flag stand and meddling with the base assets. Generally I just want to attract attention and give way for the capper.
And if enemy has any tanks...

It's some breath of fresh air from playing defensive medium/heavy/capper, don't do that often.
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>>125808425
>>125808781
And to add, there are SO many terrible 50s playing this game. You shouldn't really take the rank as an indication of skill here at all. Also a lot of people smurf and there are plenty of really good players who have not reached the highest rank. I try my best to join the lesser team before the match starts.

>>125808854
Offense is really rewarding if you manage to do it well.

Stats of playing almost purely just medium and heavy offense on EU pubs.
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I'm having fun with the game again. Shame it's going to die soon. I'm seeing the same names on the servers every day. Why is the playerbase so small? Tribes is that one series that never got the recognition it deserves.
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>>125809418
Not much new players. The patch just kinda sneaked in. There's supposedly a tournament coming next year, gotta see how that attracts people.
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>>125809418
who cares as long as you're having a good time, at least 2 servers will be up for quite awhile
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It's been so long since i last played. What are some good roles to take to actually help the team instead of playing death match in the mid-field? I used to be decent at capping but I forgot every route. Last night I just went heavy and gaurded the flag stand, but what else is useful?

I remember going raider and harassing the enemy flag stand and gen room. Tech with turrets was always handy. Jammer packs and shit. Can I just basically recreate those classes and still be useful in the same way?
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>>125813547
go heavy with the kitchen sink build and dance around their base dropping mortars on the flag to clear shit and duel other heavies as a distraction

don't bother with medium or gen room
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>>125814674
Agreed
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>>125805739
>>125809361
>smurfing
faggot.
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>>125820556
what's wrong with it? i play on it like i play on my main. i enjoy how a lot of people get so fucking pissed over a "smurf" account for no reason and some who added me as a friend on my main have gone to lengths to tunnel me on my smurf. nice social experiment to see how people react simply to a damn rank based on nothing but play time in a video game.
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>>125814674
>>125818156
Thats a shame. I can kinda see why because turtling was such a huge problem. But this feels slightly more simple/less to do on a map. I liked playing with a bunch of friends and each one of us had a role at a different part of the map. Oh well, im just glad people are playing again and they fucking fixed the weapon balance.
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>>125820995
I don't know maybe it has something to do with the rank based servers separated for the convenience of new (not smurfing) players
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https://www.facebook com/tribesascend/posts/1024465447595794
Reminder that you can send feedback for T:A developers about the new patch. And which one of you is Adam Knight? Filled my cringe meter right away with nice 4chan memes.
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>>125821716
I never joined those. From the moment I created my smurf, I joined the normal all maps servers which I've been playing all along. Right now it's not possible as it was fixed but that exploit worked both ways before. You could join in servers full of newbies at any rank or join to level restricted servers even at rank 1. I have no joy playing against people who are just beginning the game and especially not given how short TA was on active people playing. I've removed people from my friends list who I've caught playing on those servers using the exploit. It's pathetic and hurtful for the game.
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>>125826217
It's still called smurfing then? I thought smurfing was just ganking in non-RPG's
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>>125827417
As I've understood smurf is the same as new account. That's how it's generally used in TA at least.
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>>125821332
Yeah
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>>125814674
I hate how heavies now do everything raider used to do but better.
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not dying on my watch desu
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cuck bump
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Did anyone ever beat mopsy in a duel?
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>>125833248
Little bit of a heavy nerf, make the gen just slightly more important and I think we'd have near perfect balance. Utilities like jammer packs or invisibility getting a slight buff would be nice, but I can also see how that could mess things up.
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>>125838252
Fuck off mopsy you retarded faggot nigger lover.
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ded
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So hitscan is basically dead with this update?

Also how do I make everything look shitty and low res like in those webms?
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>>125838252

I have never fought him. Does he do honour duels?
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What are the main differences between LAR:Falcon and Chaingun:LMG?

I prefer the Falcon and Chaingun. LMG I don't see much reason for and LAR feels broken to me, as if most shots phase through enemies yet can reliably use the Falcon. The burst fire is dogshit in a game like Tribes too.
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What i've learned so far
>Light armors can blast you with shotguns or pinpoint you to death with spinfusers/rifles
>heavies can catch up to you as a fucking medium
>they can take 3 spinfusers to the face and move half a foot while smacking you around with the thumper
What's the point of being a medium again?
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>>125857981
What an odd combination to like. The LMG and Falcon has the same inheritance of 100% while Chain and LAR has 50%.
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>>125859161
There is literally no point. I pretty much played medium only during the alpha-beta and loved it. I've been playing since this update and just yesterday gave up on medium. I couldn't find any role it could do that isn't better suited to a heavy or light.

I played as heavy today and was destroying everyone around me while clearing/defending the flag and gen rooms. As a medium I was getting killed almost on arrival.
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>>125859308
Falcon feels reliable, can tap fire or full auto like a retard if I panic. LAR you can't and it's just goofy. You can't change it from burst still, right?

And I love me dakka dakka. I remember being a solid Doombringer with it but I've lost my edge with it but can use other auto weapons decently. But yeah still don't see much reason to use LAR or LMG (burst fire and LMG have to constantly reload)
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>>125859161
there isnt one, heavies have too much health and their weapons do way too much damage on splash
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>>125859451
>>125859161
Have you ever seen a heavy getting out-numbered? They melt in a few seconds. Lights tend to last a long longer because 2fast and Mediums are a good middle-ground between Light and Heavy (wow)

Try Medium more and don't play it like a Heavy expecting to soak hit after hit. I think people like you are refusing to adapt (git gud) and are blowing the proportions out.

Try Medium and stop trying to 1v1 Heavies.
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>>125859601
this would be great, if the game wasn't consistently 4+ v 1-3
try to chase a light? no point, and they can hop, ruining the trajectory of the discs
you can't blast away a heavy either, since they will soak your shots and just wait for you to land, or thumper you

medium is like the hybrid class in old mmos, decent in everything but not very good at anything in specialization
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>>125859601
Heavy getting outnumbered has better survivability than a medium getting outnumbered.
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>>125859747
>medium is like the hybrid class in old mmos, decent in everything but not very good at anything in specialization
The way it should be. People are ignoring this and are putting Medium in vacuum scenarios.

>>125859757
Because it's a different armour class.

I've been MVP as 100% Medium numerous times, same with Light and Heavy.

The game needs far more and higher priority changes than Medium maybe being underpowered. Such as Infiltrator in general needing buffs (stealth, explosives, stickies etc) so they can 1v1 Heavies if they get a good drop on them again. Now that's all gone. And Shrikes need to be removed from the game or at the very least make them cost something (such as cooldown) skiing needs reworking (fixed) as well.

Fix the game and Mediums/Heavies won't be as much of an issue.
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>>125859601
youre supposed to lose 2v1, thats the point, and even then heavies have by far the easiest time dealing with classes under their weight since they have more health than both a light and a med combined and their weapons deal more than either
lights can run if they have thrust but thats about it, meds get shit on twice as fast as heavies
the problem is that prepatch, meds were the best duelists because they had flexibility that heavy classes mostly didnt in the ability to carry area control and an overpowered chain simultaneously
now heavies have no weaknesses, their mobility was buffed, weapons were buffed, packs were buffed, they have 4 weapons slots and lost absolutely nothing that the other two classes didnt also save for retard-friendly fractals
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>>125859991
>youre supposed to lose 2v1, thats the point
By that logic Heavy and Medium should be able to cap and chase just as well as Light.

Different armour classes offer different (dis)advantages.

By the way, the game isn't all about dueling. It's alarming every heavy complainer only thinks in terms of dueling. Please stay away from CTF servers.
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>>125859969
My point is
>Have you ever seen a heavy getting out-numbered?
Yes and it happens no more often and with less dire consequences than a medium getting outnumbered.

>>125859747
>>125859969
Mediums WERE like a hybrid class in old MMOs. Now anything you would want to do with a medium you can do just as well and usually better with a heavy.
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>buff med!
>no suggestions
>nerf heavy!
>no suggestions
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>>125860773
I'm not saying I know enough to rebalance it, I'm just saying it's worth having a look at.
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>>125827417
Smurfing is simply playing under a non-recognized (to others) secondary account.

Some do it to shit on other people, some do it to escape the attention their main "famous" account carries, some do it just to sperg/do commentary with retarded "funny" account names.

Smurfing is simply smurfing and has no direct implied connection to reasons behind the wanted anonymity.
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>>125859445
LAR hasn't had burst fire for ages, even before the 1.1 patch, so if that is your only reason to avoid it you might want to pick it up instead, it'll be more similar to the chaingun when aiming than the Falcon.

Personally I use the 100% inheritance variants on every weight class. Yeah, reloading sucks on heavy, but I can get a bead on a target so much faster with the X1, and while the damage up close is less, not having to deal with falloff at range is nice. But to each his own.
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>>125861959
LAR still has burst. I'm in-game right now with it and it's burst fire.
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>>125827417
>>125861751
In CS smurfing is playing as a lower rank than what you are so that you can stomp everybody else. It doesn't really translate to T:A though since there's no skill-based ranking.
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>>125860773
>buff med
move the plasma gun to timed with the other raider weapons and make it less shit
give turrets slight energy shields so they cant be chained down from distance or fucking something, deployables are pretty universally garbage
med energy pack with p. energy
buff the utility pack to not be straight worse than the drop station, maybe with safety third or extra impulse
bring back whiteouts and proxies; halve proxy damage/impulse after bouncing, scale whiteout duration with damage done
>nerf heavy
2250 health
increase mortar reload speed/reduce carried ammo
make mortars not explode on contact after bouncing and/or reduce mortar damage after bouncing, ie dud indoor/stand mortars
reduce the bolt launchers splash radius/damage (honestly all the extra splash weapons need something done with them)

also buff lightfusor direct damage to 750 so they can 3 shot heavies
and universally fix shotgun spreads so they arent a fuckhuge diamond anymore
how about a circle or hexagon or something
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>>125862651
I'm glad people from /vg/ don't balance the game.
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>>125862651
>posting suggestions here
go 2 reddit
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>>125862805
downvote
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>>125863292
OH NO, IMAGINARY INTERNET POINTS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO
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>most games are imbalanced teams with landslide wins (0/5)
>most cappers are literal llama grab then boost with Light's boost pack
>most players just ignore heavies
>always vehicle/shrike whores ruining every match
>most players just duel the entire time match in match out while there are one maybe two cap/chase
wow this patch did nothing but make the game worse.
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>Play disrupter, no one's capping when I have cleared flag stand
>Play capper, no disrupters to help with 3 HoFs

Goddamn.
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What light loadout do I need to be the best SANIC in town?
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>>125876428
Rage, Explosive Nitron, Spinfusor
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>mfw I can make a better raider with a light than I can with a medium
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>>125877654
This is amazing how much better it is than playing medium.

>blow shit up with the jackal
>use my near-infinite energy and fast speed to leg it before anyone can hurt me
>if someone's dumb enough to follow me just fly up and they can't do shit while I blue plate them to death
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Why is the UI still so shit? Please tell me Hi-Rez is still working on this.
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>>125878529
lol no
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>>125857547
he only does honor duels
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So... Is it back, /vg/? Is it back for real? Can I start listening to Galo Sengan again?
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>>125862723
Ditto.

Though I think the suggestion to move plasma to timed for medium isn't really a terrible idea and could serve as a subtle incentive to play it more.
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>>125879504
But it isn't timed so no.

>>125879101
Not really. Dying already. People are realising the game and the >team is a joke. I'm already getting sick of it.
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>>125862108
Yeah, sorry, it does have a very minor pause every 3 shots.

It isn't click-to-fire anymore though which it was originally - you can empty the entire mag just by holding down mouse 1, when previously you had to make separate clicks for every 3 round burst.

The pause between the bursts has also been reduced significantly, so much that personally I haven't really noted much difference in practice when using it vs other chains ever since they made this change. YMMV, of course.
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>>125880015
It's still burst fire.

Press once and it fires 3 rounds.
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What can I buy with my refunded gold except skins?
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How do I use the thrust pack?
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>>125880707

Voice packs.

>>125881202

Like you would any other non-passive pack, I think C is the default key for it. It's mainly useful for chasing and light defence.
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>>125882790
>thrust pack
actually it's useful for anything that isn't sniping or stealthing
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>>125882790
It's very useful for capping too.
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ded game
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What's the best guns?
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>>125879101
The game isn't dying, it's just that there is a lot of shit hogging the spotlight, like the starwars movies and blizzard with their shitty games.
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>join game
>team of lv50s shitstomping silvers and golds and gloating in /yell
>see old names like spectrop i haven't seen in aeons

some things never change i guess
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>>125894198
Heavy and chain gun. Because there's no reason to use anything else.
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>>125903532
You have to be decent to use chaingun. X1 feels better for me.
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>>125906935
regardless there's no reason to play anythign but fatty
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I spent an hour customizing my loadouts last night and now theyre all reset to default again. How do I stop this
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How do you go fast?
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Is there a speed cap?
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Are the perks all gone or am I missing something obvious? How I can get something like scavenger? Where I can just fuck people up, take their ammo and continue to fuck people up.

And what are we supposed to spend gold/xp on? I have 2mil xp and 7k gold with 98% of shit unlocked

Also, nice to see not ded game.
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>>125915327
looter, not scavanger
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Why does the missile launcher exist?
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>>125915787
For vehicles, it gets ridiculous on free vehicle servers sometimes.
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