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SARACENS GET OUT edition

>FAQs & General Info (Updated November 8th, 2015)
http://pastebin.com/gZ1T9VCN
http://pastebin.com/HK7Qd6if

>/twg/ steam groups (MP battles on weekend, co-op anytime)
http://steamcommunity.com/group/totalwargeneral
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/twgmp

>Attila
TWC Mods --http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2105-Total-War-Attila-Modifications
Age of Charlemagne DLC --https://youtu.be/RNOy63UZXvM[Open] [Embed]

>Warhammer
Campaign Gameplay Walkthrough -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJUWImJUZrU[Open] [Embed]

Previous bread >>124847164
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Karl was German.
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Second for paganism is the only not shit religion
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bert
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are t-t-they allowed to s-s-say this?

please don't bomb CA, Muslims
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5th for English sheep fuckers
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I SPILL THE BLOOD OF FRANKISH MEN
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NEVER FORGET!

English confirmed as true Sheepshaggers and Welsh the master of intellect and wisdom in Brittania

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBGcxnNV34c

>The English call the Welsh sheep-shaggers due to an old trick used by the Welsh against their gullible English neighbours in medievel times, when the English had a nasty habit of fucking sheep. When Wales adopted English law they noticed the penalty for shagging a sheep was less than stealing one (due to the English's habit) so whenever they were caught stealing a sheep they would instead say they were planning to fuck it instead to avoid the fine.

Therefore there is a very long list of crimes involving Welshmen shagging sheep, although it is only the English who would actually ever fuck a sheep,
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Asturias intro emotional as fuck
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Is there any way to improve loading times on Rome II? DEI is fucking unplayable, loading to campaign map takes literally 5 minutes every time.
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So are when are we going for darren?
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Been gone a year or so, did they update europa barborum 2 to actually run and not crash after 2 minutes? Or should I not bother and just play stainless steel again? Also how is everyone?
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>>124920496
After they announce Rise of Islam we bomb the CA offices, making Darren the only casualty

Then we blame it on the Muslims
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>>124920360
Darren here, on the job of fixing this little slip :) Racism is unexcusable, all opinions are correct, but even accidents must be punished in the ways dictated by Hadith :^) This is not done out of hostility, but it must be done for all infractions
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Question: Do franks and lombards still yell FOR DA TRIBE when you select them?
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>>124920571
Darren is a member of the IRA.
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>>124920427
I thought it was only the same intro(Charlemagne intro) for every faction.
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>>124920427
They have cinematic intros for each faction? Damn ca I didn't expect that, Are they on youtube yet?
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>>124920610
No but Mercia does which isn't right.
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>>124920678
Oh
Still a good intro regardless
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>>124920691
Mercia had the fucking charlemagne trailer as their faction intro
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>>124920562
welcome back anon. the general consensu is
>tfw Europa barborum 2

>just play stainless steel again?
honestly just do that man
or hey try out the new Charlemagne campaign and remove kebab and shed Saxon blood
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>>124920769
it's a shame but I expected that. was the same for Imperator Augustus desu
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>>124920258
Gib Lombard or Avars
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>>124920424
So what you're saying is that the welsh stole sheep, then fucked them so they wouldn't get killed?
So basically they were forced to fuck sheep to not die?
kek
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>>124920829
Oh? I might check that out, a campaign set pretty early might be fun.
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Just launched charlesmagne and played around a bit.
Campaign seems decent.
Although to little units in each faction and all of them are basically the same. I understand that the period is not very divers but when has that stopped CA?
All in all - a half-assed dlc, wouldn't have bought.
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>>124920962
nope they stole sheep from English keks, when they got caught they lied and said they were going to fuck the sheep. The English being fond of sheep shagging themselves saw this as completely normal and sentenced them for that
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>>124921059
Should have gifted it to me then you fucking cocksucking faggot
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>>124920962
>english reading comprehension

kek
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>>124921132
fuck you poorfag
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>>124920769
Wait Charlememe is already out?
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>>124920994
yeah we're basically in medieval times again so that's neat
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>>124921125
Any source on any of this?
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>>124920953
>Lombards or Avars

Great taste. Shame about the roll though.
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>>124921059
There's like 18 units for each faction, and they're pretty much all historical. Sorry there aren't any magic ninja romans.
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>>124921195
>baww there's no spanish bull warriors waaaah
fuck off crybaby
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RIP Roman empire
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>>124920953
C'mon. TAKBIR!

Also, I see that Creative Assembly hasn't corrected the missing province color in North Africa in The Last Roman campaign. The Bactria province was messed up for, what, half a year or more? Awful.
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>>124921319
>tfw no Chosen Saxon Armored Horse Riding Cavalry Storm Raiders

I'm gravely disappointed.
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>>124921260
>Any source on any of this?
eheh...ahem ask the guy who posted it in the previous thread
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>>124921319
CA have a thing of having no unit variation or even progression for anyone who isn't the main faction. You get Melee unit, shitty version of melee unit and elite melee unit and that is it.
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So this is germanic "Royalty"....woah
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>>124921459
I googled it and the entire thing is literally taken from an urban dictionary post
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>>124921319
swordsmen/spearmen/horsmen/bows
They even look the same

In attila rome was differnet from barbars and sassys. And there were horsefuckers, which were completely unlike all others.
Now we have swords swords swords spears more spears. Which play exactly the same.
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>>124921461
I disagree and feel like every factions is somewhat specialized to a degree that history allows, e.g. Avars are horse faction, Asturia is skirmisher focused, Saxons get dogs and their godly skirmisher horse unit and so on
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What's a good mod that expands on the Seleucids a lot? R1 or R2 mods included
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>>124921381
Jesus...t-that's after siege escalation right? tell me it hasn't come to this
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>>124921625
Welcome to the middle ages
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>>124921651
No. It was like this in vanilla attila too.
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>>124921381

WELCOME TO DIAMOND CITY, THE GREAT GREEN JEWEL OF GAUL
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>>124921635
There's a mod for rome 2 that's called like Seleucid roster expanded or something like that, not sure how it is though
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>>124921381
that's cool
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>>124921734
no!
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>>124921892
All roads doesn't lead to Rome anymore.
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>>124921632
There is no variation within unit types is what I'm saying. They give you know sense of progression or differentiation.
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>>124921253
Wait, shit its in warscape? I don't want that ruining my cav charges I remember so well from med 2.
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>>124920591
nice shitpost
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>>124921734
I don't think it was, I recall recently went to siege Rome early in the game and it still looking normal

Does it change if barbarians take it over or something?

I could swear it was still the Colosseum when I took Rome recently
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>>124921987
That's not THE Colosseum in Rome. That never happened.
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>>124922170

The the actual Colosseum didn't that better of a fate.

>Used as an open quarry for building materials
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>>124922090
No I was playing as the WRE a few days ago and that battle map popped up several times with that in the middle of it.

>>124922170
Never said it was. Nobody did.
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>AoC is out
>really wanna play it
>have to raid with my WoW guild instead
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>>124922306
gift it to me lad, i'll play instead
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>>124922052
Early Middle Ages are less a time for cavalry and more shield walls.
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>>124922265
That was what >>124922090 and co were kind of implying.

Rome was the largest city in western europe at the time, it only got really tiny later on.
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>>124922052
Anon we are at the point where everyone is admitting Medieval 2 wasn't good and everyone just played it for the setting.

"Muh unit collision" doesn't fly anymore, I hope you won't have too hard a time adapting.
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>>124921723
where muh plate armor

where
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>>124922617
>plate armor
>in the 8th century
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>>124922090
>>124922170
>>124922542
It is not the Rome battle map for fuck's sake
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>>124922547
I'm glad this is finally the case, I hated it at the time.

I can't wait til people finally start admitting Rome was a huge disappointment too, though that would take people actually playing the first two games.
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Playing AoC so far, and all I'm thinking about is how this is an obvious stepping stone for Medieval 3.
I mean, so far so good and i'll play the shit out of this DLC for the meanwhile, but i'll be thinking of Medieval 3 on the horizon.
HAS to be the next one, r-right?
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WHERE THE FUCK IS THE BLOGPOSTING?!

I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE BLOGPOSTING!

I CAN'T PLAY AOC MYSELF, I NEED THAT BLOGPOSTING!
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>>124922331
I would if I could, but almost all games are region locked where I live.
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>>124922670
I'm the bottom two posts you linked, I'm aware of that, but some people weren't apparently.
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>>124922732
I'm busy playing the game to be quite honest
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>>124922052
>>124922547
>>124922672
great shitposting
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>>124922732
THE FIRST MAN TO LEVY A PAPAL GUARDSMEN UNIT AS ANY FACTION GETS TO BE CONSUL OF /TWG/
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>>124922306
>2015
>still playing WoW
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>>124922835
Do we need to post Medieval 2 webms?
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Are there really only eight fucking playable factions in Charlememe? What in the cunting christ.

They are not selling the rest as cancerous DLC this time? Funny that "Viking Forefathers" wouldn't be offensively stupid as a DLC title this time, it'd actually be accurate. Literally the fathers of vikings.
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>>124922713
>obvious stepping stone for Medieval 3.
oh please please please let this be
it would also be a good stepping stone for pike and shot with all the pike and shot gameplay in Warhammer
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>>124922970
Only eight factions. That's decent for a dlc campaign.
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Was the widespread usage of rifles inevitable or is it the result of natural selection?

>Brave swordsmen who would fight on the front lines would end up dying at a much higher rate than the cowardly archers who preferred to stay far away and shoot.
>Cowardly archers pass on their genes while brave swordsmen die.
>Weapons develop over time and there's more and more of a focus on range

>Fast forward to the modern era of combat and every single infantry soldier is essentially a high-tech archer that shoots from hundreds of meters away

WE COULD HAVE HAD LIGHTSABERS BUT NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS SHITTY BOOM STICKS
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>>124922954
no but you will anyway. that's what shitposeter do
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>>124922970
Swedes and Norwegians weren't relevant at the time period, Danes were the only relevant vikings to Charlemagnes time.

It's a DLC, it's not a full game, eight factions are understandable.

They said they won't make DLC for DLC because it would make them look bad, but they might update the Charlemagne DLC with more stuff in the future if they feel like it.

If that helps it probably won't take long to have every faction modded in as palyable
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>>124922989
Yeah you're right, I didn't think of that.
Fucking shit yes, Medieval 3 just has to come out next.

But I still have my doubts, CA will bring out some bullshit 'African Kings' title next. You fucking watch.
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>>124922713
>removed fuckhuge building trees
>got rid of one building tier across the board
>significantly reduced squalor, it makes more sense now
>got rid of "sustenance" income
>tweaked unit stats
>the game is more about WAR and less about city management
This is A MILE ahead of vanilla Attila.
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When you have a building that provides % increase in wealth from agriculture does it affect only the settlement or the entire province?
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>>124923106
But there is literally no reason to make, for instance, the rest of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms locked. It's literally just a line of code.

>>124923134
There is always the mods I guess, but fuck. Why the fuck they started this policy of limiting you massively in who you can play I don't know.
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>>124923152
Total African Conquest set during the colonization of Africa might actually be interesting

I like to watch line infantry shoot down natives and I don't really want to play Empire

>>124923180
That church is fucking godly
"8 sanitation in every settlement and 8 sanitation in every settlement in adjacent provinces"
muh dick
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>>124923306
All of the other anglo saxon kingdoms would only have the same units as Westphalia. By the way you can unite them all to form a Saxon kingdom.
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Playing as Kingdom of Asturias, starting up the reconquista a bit early.

How do I colonise desolate regions?
The option is grayed out. I swear there was a way of doing this in Attila?...
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>>124922970
>Only 8 playable factions in a DLC campaign
>Old games shipped with less than 8 in the entire game
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>>124923108
Armor was on the path to eventually becoming mech armor with anime esque sword fights until firearms came along and made armor mostly irrelevant.
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>>124923306
>It's literally just a line of code

It's really more than just that, they all need units, event chains, art, lot's of QA and so on

There's really no big difference between Westphalia and the other Saxon kingdoms you conquer to unite Saxony

I hope mods unlock different starting locations though

>>124923506
In Attila you sent an army there and right clicked it, like you would siege it.
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>>124923416
You mean Mercia, right?

And yes I know they'd all have the same units, that is why it makes even less sense that you can't play them. There is nothing extra CA have to do, except make the faction selection menu work differently I guess, with them grouped again.
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>>124923527
Old games tended to have less than 20 factions total + you could unlock all of them with little file tweaking
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>>124923306
>But there is literally no reason to make, for instance, the rest of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms locked. It's literally just a line of code.
It isn't though. Unplayables don't have all sorts, like custom victory conditions and descriptions etc
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>>124923306
>Why the fuck they started this policy of limiting you massively in who you can play I don't know.

They have done this since forever. E.G Lots of locked out factions in barbarian invasion. Kinda late to complain about it now.

>>124923568
Yeah shit didn't read "Anglo".
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>you can build a wrestling arena for imperium points

lmao
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>>124922306
>playing Orclords of draenor
face it, you want yrel to suck on the big brown dick.
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>>124923557
Oh never mind, it had something to do with movement points.
Worried it was a bug or something, thanks anyway fellow Christian.
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>>124923745
No problem fellow believer in the right faith!

Fight back some Infidels from holy Christian soil, for the one true god!
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>>124923643
Just give them the same victory conditions as their neighbours, the same descriptions. I guess you have to write a paragraph alongside, but it's really fucking lazy to only give one Anglo Saxon Kingdom.

>>124923416
>>124923557
>two different people don't know the difference between Anglo-Saxons and Saxons

Where the fuck am I
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>>124923860
>Just give them the same victory conditions as their neighbours, the same descriptions. I guess you have to write a paragraph alongside, but it's really fucking lazy to only give one Anglo Saxon Kingdom.
So theres literally no fucking point then.
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>>124923860
I'm sorry, I didn't read the "Anglo"

I don't know why I skipped over it, lately I'm having weird problems like that, I make a lot of typos that I didn't do in the past, sometimes words are completely different when I read my post after I clicked "Send" than what I thought they were when I typed it all up
Maybe I have cancer
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>>124923651
Maybe I just notice it more because I know more about history and play GS games as well now, it's still awful.

I swear back in the day you just had to beat a faction to unlock them.
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>>124924014
>I swear back in the day you just had to beat a faction to unlock them.

Some factions could be unlocked that way but many were locked "forever".
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>>124923965
It's okay man I feel you. I have a weird thing where I make phonetic typos, I type out words that are spelt entirely differently but pronounced the same way. It was just two people making the same mistake that was weird.

Only one Saxon tribe is fine, but more of the Anglo Saxon kingdoms would really be nice. Where the fuck is my Northumbria and Wessex?
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>>124923108
Cowardly? Bet you'd shit yourself if you had to trade volleys with enemy line infantry.
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>>124924130
>Only one Saxon tribe is fine

Why is that fine but not the other?
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>>124924130
Wessex wasn't really relevant to anything until about a hundred years later when vikings deleted Mercia and Wessex conquered back England
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>>124923937
You know quite a lot of people play these games because they like history, right? Jesus fuck.
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>>124924250
Yea but it's not hard to see why they only do one faction per culture group or else it's just literal copies.
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>go to play Attila
>game set itself to small unit sizes again
goddamit
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>>124924221
Some are barely documentary vague barbar pagan tribes, the other were established kingdoms that we know a fair amount with laws etc. Mercia was just the top one at the time, but Northumbria had been in the past and Wessex would be after
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>>124923207
All the +x% to y improvements in Attila (and Rome) apply to the whole Province, not just the sub-province they're built in.
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>>124924240
They were all relevant at the time
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>>124924401
this desu, would have liked Wessex
Would have also liked Norwegians too though
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>>124924401
> but Northumbria had been in the past and Wessex would be after

So they are not that relevant to the campaign setting.
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>>124924471
ah perfect thank you.
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>>124923108
Despite the question presented being fucking retarded, I often wonder what we'd come up in some hypothetical warfare scenarios. Like, we have all technology we have today, but we establish rules on what can or not be done, how warfare ends up looking like. I guess stating "no blackpowder" would just lead us to caveats like "use some other sort of combustible", so I'm basically thinking of a restriction to most projectiles unless they use human strength.

I'm guessing we would've ended up with very elaborate slings and crossbows and some pretty cool armor, with some sort of shock infantry using some sort of halberd.
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Looking at Charlemagne politics, there doesn't seem to be any real penalty for going Absolute Power in the politics. You get +5 loyalty and since corruption is now capped at 60%, the +10% corruption means nothing.
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>>124924505
No
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>>124924510
>implying Northumbria didn't have by far the largest cultural impact of the time, directly on Charlemange.
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>>124924558
Open the province overview window and it'll show you a breakdown of income from its regions. I'm pretty sure it even tells you what kind of income it is (industry/agri/sustenance/culture etc...) so you can fine tune bonus buildings you build.

Good way of optimizing the resource bonuses too
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>Cordoba has the same Muslim-killing intro as the rest of the factions
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>>124924650
>I know nothing about the period: The Post
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>general dies instantyl

Now I understand why the Charlemagne AI keeps it's general sitting back

Fugg :D:D:
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>>124924718
This time mods will actually fix it. CA has done the "one faction to represent a culture group" since forever basically. Every other nation/kingdom was just represented by the shitty grey rebels that later got upgraded into minor factions.
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>>124924632
How do you define human strength though?

Xbows use more than just human strength.
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>>124924510
Both moreso than Mercia
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Have they removed the drag movement?
As in having a bunch of units selected and then drag them in to position or is there a new shortcut for it.
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>>124925001
There's a shortcut I don't know, I've seen people do it.

If you control+1 selected units you can move them and they will stay in the selected formation
Control+g or clicking on the small lock will break that formation
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>>124924942
>>124924942
Honestly the worst is Rome II, where they taunt you with all those delicious factions that are as fully implemented as any you are allowed to play every time you end your turn. Somehow that's worse than grey rebels, where they can honestly say it was just allocation of resources.

You are right though, mods will fix it.
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>>124925101
Yeah that's the problem I don't want them in static formation but I do not want to break it down everytime I want to do adjustments to it.

It was such a sleek way of moving larger groups around imo
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gotta say im enjoying the changes desu
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>>124925001

Alt drag
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>start up Westphalia campaign
>that fucking shitty starting position goddamn
>take half of Frisia
>immediately raped by two full Carolingian stacks
>king becomes flaccid and unjust

Fuck Saxons, who else should I play as?
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>>124925346
me too

I'm liking it
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>>124925346
The battle ones? How do they feel?
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Oh god why do I go on TW Centre.

"Cavalry wil never be as good as Med II I am very upset" is not a valid complaint when the fucking core charge mechanics in that game were bugged.

You'd think these guys hadn't even played the new games if they think the cavalry charges lack impact or power.
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Can someone who has it give a screenshot of Britain from Mercia's perspective? Interested which towns they choose, etc.
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>>124925382
Avars or Lombards.
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>>124925001
I always hated that because I would mistakenly drag shit all over in the middle of battle
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>play custom siege battle in Cordoba
>city has both churches and mosques
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>>124925539
Neither, play Asturias and remove muslims from the motherland.
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>>124925549
As much as I shit on CA, they are damn good at making pretty cities nowadays.
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>>124925549
Well it probably did.
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>>124925549
This is accurate though, large part of population remained Christian and was allowed to practice their religion more or less freely. They weren't allowed to ring bells or made a processions, IIRC.
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>>124923687
No, I want to suck on her futa horsecock.
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If you're not playing as the Danes or Westphalia then you're a kuck.

Why do you reject your ancestors and embrace the foreign god?
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>>124925698
This triggers /pol/, though.
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>>124925793
>le /pol/ buggyman
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>>124925793
Pls don't.
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>>124925549
Poor Spain.
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>>124925775
Didn't that guy murder someone?
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>>124925871
>>124925869

Sorry, but we were all thinking it.
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>>124925902
And he set a church on fire

Sure is edgy!
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>>124925923
That doesn't matter. No need to start shit.
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>>124925902
He also burned down some really old norse churches. Pretty sad.
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>>124925793
Why would it trigger /pol/? Mosques and churches exist in the same cities today as well and those cities are terrible shitholes, just as Spain was a terrible shithole when the Muslims occupied it.

There's nothing triggering about multiculturalism since it always proves /pol/'s point because you can just look at it and point out how much of a clusterfuck it always is. It's like watching some retard slam an icepick through his own forehead. It doesn't trigger you, it's just retarded.
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>Mosques
>real

Ever wondered why you only see them on TV?
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>>124924946
I guess something that needs to be "prepared" at the time. Like if you get a team lifting boulders and using levers to operate a trebuchet that's human strength, or one of those lever/windlass operated crossbows, but if you can't use anything that depends on electricity, fuel and so on. Maybe we remove levers and such, so that in the crossbow case it needs to be one you can pull the string yourself.
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>>124926224
Well I guess it shows that it is possible to build churches and live under muslim rule as a non-muslim when everything is going fine. It all turns to shit when times are hard though. And that will happen a lot.
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>>124926224
I know what you're trying to do, but not taking the bait, sorry.
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1-3 Jutes
4-6 Danes
7-9 Geats
0 Pick one myself
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>>124926494
There's a huge difference between churches already built in christian land and trying to build a church in muslim lands
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>tfw roving band of faggot ravaging my kingdom and I can't do anything to stop them

God forgive me
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>>124926631
Yeah, and both happened.
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Attila is on sale. Is it worth getting if I enjoyed Rome 2 ? Is it better / worse atm? There's like 6 dlcs, are they worth it?
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>>124926757
Sale where?
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>>124926494
>Well I guess it shows that it is possible to build churches and live under muslim rule as a non-muslim when everything is going fine
It's hardly out of the kindness of their heart though. If anything, they have some economic incentive to keep small minorities of non-Muslims around so they can extort the jizya tax out of them.
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>>124926224
Yeah, It's not like Cordoba would become the most populous city in the world and the greatest centre of learning in the next two centuries or anything.
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>>124926746
Source?
>>
Wow every building is shit in AoC.

I mean I don't mean technically shit I mean thematically, the best stuff I can create is backwards markets and wells, no more waterworks and shit, you can't even create giant walls anymore.

God the dark ages suck dick
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>>124926834
http://www.gamersgate.com/games?prio=relevance&q=attilah15
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>>124927016
*Early Middle Ages ;^)

>>124926757
It's better

DLC wise Sandpeople is best, followed by Longbears, followed sneaky Celts.
Viking Forefathers are not worth it.
Last Roman is alright, it's fun if you want to be Belasarius and reconquer Rome, but you really don't need it.

Charlemagne came out today and it's fun so far, maybe play vanilla until it goes on sale
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>>124926881
>Córdoba was one of the most advanced cities in the world as well as a great cultural, political, financial and economic centre. The Great Mosque of Córdoba dates back to this time; under caliph Al-Hakam II Córdoba had 3,000 mosques, splendid palaces and 300 public baths, and received what was then the largest library in the world, housing from 400,000 to 1,000,000 volumes.
Well, that sounds nice. Maybe the Muslims aren't so bad after all. Oh wait, what's this next part

>Upon a change of rulers, though, the situation changed quickly. "The vizier al-Mansur–the unofficial ruler of al-Andalus from 976 to 1002—burned most of the books on philosophy to please the Muslim clergy; most of the others were sold off or perished in the civil strife not long after.

Yeah, that sounds more like the Islam that we all know and love.
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What the fuck steam? Really?
Trying to install Charlemagne DLC and it's stuck on 47% and Instead of counting down, install time is infinatly counting up
Restarting steam dident work, nor did restarting the coumpter
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>>124926965
I'm not your history teacher. Read a fucking book.
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>>124927218
Stop restarting, it's how CA DLC works.

It's unpacking and you are restarting every time you boot up Steam again

That's what you get for being inpatient
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>>124927209
>ignoring the centuries of progress because one guy was a dick

All this fucking confirmation bias.
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>>124927196
Thanks, mate.
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>>124925759
why not both?
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>>124927227
Just did

>Pact of Umar
>We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
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How do you like your dark ages city familia?
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LEAVE MY MUD ALONE REEEEEEEEEEE
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>>124927868
Shogun 2 looks better than this shit
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>>124920953
COME ON YOU PIECE OF SHIT STEAM, DOWNLOAD FASTER!
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M E R C I A

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Charlemagne keeps crashing on load up, no mods are on, I miss something ?
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>Charlemagne offers me 1.5k for a non aggression pact
>I push him to agree to trade too

M E R C I A
E
N
A
C
I
N
G
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>>124927942

In your dreams toasterfag :)
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>>124927354
Centuries of progress in Islam basically just means that they were going through a period of "decadence" where they barely gave a shit about the religion. Muslims thrive when Islam is mostly irrelevant to the people and everyone suffers when they go back to seriously believing in it. This is a cycle that Muslims have been going through for a very long time. For example, Al-Hakam II, the caliph of Cordoba that was best known for preserving all of those books, was also a homosexual and he had a large male harem. This is very common during these periods.

The west will look at these time periods and say, "See! Look how enlightened Islam is!" and so on, but Muslims look at it and they think that it's a shameful and disgusting period of horrible decadence. Hard-line Muslims would have murdered every single one of these leaders that made Cordoba a rich city while praising the ones that ruined it because it was the ones who ruined it that were the actual devout Muslims. There's a reason why torching the libraries was something that "pleased the Muslim clergy."
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Best total warfu
Hottest girl in bongistan
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>>124928067
Try to validate the cache
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>>124928257
>>124928032
Can you gib a screenshot or two of Britain?
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>>124920953
Please gimme lombards or asturias senpai
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>>124928380
>

>>124928450
I'm in battle right now, if you want to you can visit the TW twitch channel and watch that idiot show off Britain if you just want to know what it looks like
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These venetian dogs slaugthered my levies and sacked Aquilea!
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>>124928380
ugly horse
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>>124928628
>I'm in battle right now
>but first let me browse /twg/
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>>124928646
In return I'm going to burn the city to the ground!
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>>124928797
It's what Alexander would have done
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>>124927554
>made up pro-christian bullshit
>expecting me to beleive it
Muslims have always been progressive and tolerant
modern day "terrorism" is just a reaction to western athiest and christian oppressment of their states and a forced division of their peoples out of fear that the Caliphate may reform and put an end to their unjust behavior
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>>124928628
You mean the official one?
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>>124928923
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>>124928828
(the city Venezia god dammit)
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>>124928945
twitch dot tv/totalwarofficial/v/28213235

The videos are just called "faction reveal" so here's the one that has Merica
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>>124928308

Look at India for instance. Aurangzeb was the most pious of the Mughal Emperors. He happened to be legit pious, live austerely and all that.

And it so happens his reign was the absolute worst, heralded the collapse of the empire the moment he died even if he nominally expanded it to its apex, pissed off nominally Muslim and Hindoo alike, facilitated the militarization of the Sikhs by continuing their persecution.

Compare him to the venerated and loved (by us Westerners, that is) Babur or Akbar, the later of which even tried to develop a syncretic faith to unite his various subject's faiths.
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Meloncat when you gunna get round to doing the norse factions?
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>>124928923
>shitskins being this deluded
>>
NEVER FORGET THE MASSACRE OF VERDEN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

CHARLEMAGNE IS FILTH!
EVIL CHRISTIAN SCUM!
MURDERER OF THE TRUE RELIGION OF EUROPE!

PISS ON CHARLEMAGNE!
CHARLEMAGNE THE INBRED
>>
WHATS THE VERDICT BOYS
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>>124926702
>when you're so angry you name your faction about it
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>>124929550
KILL THE CHRISTIANS!
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>>124927554
>>124927554
That might have not been accurate or enforced in all muslim countries at the time though. I can't find anything on the restrictions put upon the christians in Cordoba but I guess it won't be that hard.

>>124928923
You don't even try.
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>>124929126
Thanks m8, I was just wasting the last few minutes watching a faction reveal I now realise was just for Charlemange.

I see they combined Mercia and East Anglia REEE
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>>124928797
>not running Total War in borderless window and having /twg/ up on a second monitor
>not scrolling down the general while you're campaigning

You don't know what you're missing, my friend.
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I think these Alans may require a few balance tweaks.

Sorry for the pissfilter.
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>>124928646
>>124928828
How do you take these screenshots?

is there a toggle UI command?
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>>124929708
>Borderless window
Enjoy your worse performance
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>>124929708
Is there any way to have it not mute the sound when I tab out?

I like the music in Attila
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>>124929764
Ah fug it's 'k', never mind m8.
>>
Ok I'm a dumbass how the hell do I upgrade to an abbey?
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>>124927554
>taking the Pact of Umar seriously

I don't want to get dragged into this /pol/ or /his/ tier argument but you fucked up.
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>>124929243
>realizing all the shit I have left to do

I'll be working on them and the Celts next.

First is getting the mod compatible with the latest release and then releasing sand-kingdoms work. Then I'd like to prioritize doing JUST visuals, no stat editing whatsoever if I can avoid it, for AoC. Then after that I would work on the celts and nords since in the process of doing that for AOC I'd get new VMDs for Norse/Saxons and Celts.

Sand Kingdoms stuff is pretty much done except for unit costs and final look-overs, I'm sure I've done some mistakes here or there. It just has to be made compatible with AoC patch.

And for the short term I am going to leave my Alan overhaul where it lay and leave the white huns as clones of the regular huns because I am not going to backtrack and do the fucking Alans again.
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>>124929756
f.lux gone wild
>>
>take a look at Attila
>Empires of sand/Age of Charlemagne
>Sweet
>Take a look at the screenshots on 4chan
>Looks like utter shit

Is it worth it ?
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>>124930178
Mind explaining?
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>>124930332
Toaster fags are not welcome
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>>124929756
How the hell can you lose dog units ? They are not even made to fight ffs.

>also
>high end units vs shit tier starters
>hurr durr OP
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>>124930339
Probably apocryphal for the period we are talking and otherwise massively overstated after the fact in later historiography.
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>>124930412
The fuck are you talking about ?
>>
>finish siege
>power outage

JUST
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Oh shit. What do?
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>>124930645
>not having a powerstrip with a battery
>>
Should I subjugate Winchester or consume them into my mighty empire?

>>124930616
I think he means that the game itself is good and looks nice, but it doesn't run well on toasters
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>>124920360
honest question, are here anye muslim anon who find this offensive?
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>>124930716
>1680x1050
You get a new monitor
>them grafix
You get a headache
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>>124930716
Bathe in the warm embrace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Leave your pagan ways at the doorstep, and wear the cross proudly.
Become the Hammer to the Crescent, Saxon.
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For the love of God the war weariness is killing me
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>>124930874
All the muslims in the thread are getting tickets to fly to england right now
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>>124930716
Shed the blood of Frankish men
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>>124930716

Make a Bloody Verdict in Paris
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>>124930750
I already have Attila, i'm talking about the gameplay, the factions etc. Charlemagne looks like a cheap mod.
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WHERE DID ALL OF THE FEMALE UNITS GO?

ATTILA WAS SO PROGRESSIVE
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>>124931007
Look at those cheeky fucks in that boat.
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>>124930587
So how exactly is North Africa now heavily Muslim?
>>
How does Age of Charlemagne compare to Viking Invasion?
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>>124931007
>can't handle some barbarians

shit king desu
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>>124931179
muh tumblr boogieman

It made some amount of sense in Attila and only autistic people got angry to see women
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>>124931286
when did you get internet for your kekshed extra?
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>>124931379
/pol/ please go
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>>124931286
>It made some amount of sense

>Women in armor fighting in melee combat against men made some amount of sense

top lel

Women can't even cut it in modern combat and that doesn't involve hand to hand combat with someone that weighs twice as much as you.
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>>124931509

>Women in armor

Give an example
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>>124920442
Brah, git ready to the shitfest that is DEI battles
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>>124931509
There are no armored women in Attila, which you would know if you had played it instead of posting on /pol/.

It's only the lowest tier barber units, which fits with the games themes of the world ending and migration.

If you want to get angry about women go complain about that stupid Rome 2 DLC.
I really didn't care either way in Attila
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>>124931509
It kinda made sense for the hordes. It's a whole people that are moving around after all. There were only females in the early levy units.
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>>124931582
joan of arc?
>>
Oooh. Here's a fun question.
Having only played Rome and Medieval 2, have siege units ever been required since? Because it certainly isn't in those.
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>>124931787

I'm talking about ingame, in Attila
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>>124920953
come on senpai
>>
just got a job lads
how is the DLC
>>124931787
inb4 /his/ memes
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>>124931861
It's even less required in Rome 2 and Shogun 2. In Attila though onagers are very useful.
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GET OFF MY LAND
GET
O
U
T
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>124931582
king arthur :-DDDDdddd
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>>124931987
>kingdom of murica
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Jesus
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>>124929756

How's the fixed up Alani roster? Took them long enough, but it looks fun.
>>
>>124925549

When the Islamic caliphate conquered christian and jewish cities they did not raze churches. They did however not allow construction of new ones.

It was also how the christian romans treated the jews: You may practice your religion, but you may not build new places of worship, you have to stick with the ones you have.
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What do?
>>
>>124932362
FIGHT
WIN
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>>124932490
PREVAIL
>>
>>124931234

1) There's a disappointingly few regions in the british isles compared to VI (or Brittanica campaign for MTW2)

2) The vikings are represented by the danes, not the norweigans.

3) There is Diplomacy and trade of course.

4) There are more factions

5) The unit rosters are small in both games but somewhat more varied in AoC

6) Most importantly: The Vikings are not the super, duper OP melee inf army that can beat anyone anywhere no matter the numerical disadvantage.
>>
>>124932362
Defend your brother, your greatness.
>>
>>124932748
VI only takes place in bongistan so that makes sense. Thanks for replying I might buy it. Does it have good atmosphere like VI too?
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>>124920953
37-48 get
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>>124931690
>It's only the lowest tier barber units
I wish. It goes far beyond that. I just checked it myself to make sure. It's true that they aren't wearing the armor of some of the best units, but it's not just levies. I'm looking at an example that I loaded up right now and they're in the celtic band unit, the celtic warband unit, and this ridiculous Scatha's Teachers unit is entirely female and it's a high quality unit. They go berserk, they're immune to fear, they scare everyone else. It's a fucking joke, it's literally just, "I AM WOMAN! HEAR ME ROAR!" tier nonsense.
>>
why did they never tie large fish in front of boats and whip them to go faster?

surely, it must be faster than wind?
>>
Asturias is hard as hell. Muslim hordes are throwing themselves at me and all the christian kingdoms are too busy fighting each other to help (apart from the welsh who for some reason want to prolong the death of my kingdom), I will remember their complicity when Spain is cleansed...
>>
>Napoleon won't start
>copy paste ticket responses until they gave up
>devs stopped responding to the forum thread about the issue
>multiple people are posting the same thing (and many more on Google)

Can't even get my money back ffs
>>
>>124930716
>>124933503
Why it's so dark are you play with low gamma or something?
>>
charlamannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

y/n?
>>
>>124933637
>Can't run game cuz im a retard
>cry and blame everyone
I bet you using windows 10
>>
>>124933715
My color settings are just fucked up on one of my monitors. It looks fine on that one and it looks ridiculously dark on my other monitor and apparently on most monitors as well.
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>>124930984
>Leave your pagan ways at the doorstep, and wear the cross proudly.
Don't forget to turn the other cheek and love people who hurt you. :^)

Such a weak god. How could they ever be stupid enough to fall for such a pathetic religion.
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>>124933852

How is a game without literally basic functionality for a large portion of user base my fault?

Yes I'm on 10
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>>124932945

It's not AS atmospheric as VI is but it is atmospheric. I'd rate it together with Shogun 2 and Med 2, both which I consider to be the most atmospheric Total Wars after the first Medieval.

If it had the echoing choirs of Jeff Van Dyke, it sure as shit would be ballers.
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>>124934229
Old total war games dont work on 10 but there is a fix just google it
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>>124934229
>Yes I'm on 10

lol
>>
>>124930874
nope
>t. muslim turk
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>>124930874
Im white male from suburbia, and I find this offensive for anyone who would worship allah. I think this should be removed
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>>124934502
How do you justify having the wrong faith?
>>
>>124932165
>all of that lost land
>that giant blob
reroll
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>>124934402

I've tried every single fix on official and steam forums. 2010 isn't exactly old? Its the only one that doesn't work. I've played everything from rome (original) to Attila without problems

>>124934470

Are you really this autistic?
>>
what does
>t. something
means? I dont know this meme
>>
>>124934769
Don't question the memes
t.memester
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>>124934769
its either a /gsg/ or /int/ meme that has something to do with the Finnish word "regards," no idea which because both of those are shitholes
>>
>>124934651
allah vult desu
>>
>>124934769
It's short for terveisin in Finnish, which basically means 'regards' or other ways to sign off a letter. It's a meme because of spurdo.
>>
The uh.. Unit variety was very weak.
Not to mention the extremely samey units, even amonst the variety that there was. I still had fun though.
So CA, when are armor upgrades going to have a visual reflection again? Get on it.
>>
>>124934742
I dunno try set compatibility with 7 or install directX and other shit from game folder or even better try installing Windows 7
If you can run rome1 and med2 thats means you can run napoleon on 10 too
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>>124934878
/gsg/

t. finnish
>>
>>124935174

Tried all of that multiple times and a lot more. So have lots of others, which is why in surprised CA is just ignoring it now
>>
>>124935113
>>124934878
thanks
>>
>>124935267
Have you tried validating the cache? :^)
>>
>>124935267
have you tried not pirating the game?
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can i play as kebab in attila? bought it during the sale with all the dlcs but never tried it. busy being an honabarr samurai in shogun 2
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>>124935194
No, /gsg/ just took it to a new level of incessant shitposting.
>>
>>124935267
I remember when i install win 10 i have to reinstall some games napoleon included
>>
Can you guys stop this childish islamophobic ranting? What if my boss takes a screenshot of this thread, what will he say then? "Anon, I can't allow you to post on 4chan anymore, we're gonna have to block that website."
>>
holy fuck, the danish berserks are good
had them lead a change in wedge formation into the enemy and they didn't lose a single man, then they go berserk and fuck up the routing units
>>
>>124935564

It would be even more time consuming if I didn't have it on steam. Must have redownloaded it 5 times already

>>124935635

Yeah I've tried reinstalls plenty
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>>124935582
>kebab
no you cant play le kebab because they don't exist in that time period you autist
but you can play as sandniggers
>>
>>124935582
Maybe google the playable factions
>>
>>124935639

Why doesn't your boss tell you to actually do your work?
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>buying any TW game after shit that empire was
still mad
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>>124935639
>What if my boss takes a screenshot of this thread, what will he say then? "Anon, I can't allow you to post on 4chan anymore, we're gonna have to block that website."

fucking lmao
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>>124935582

If you've got all the DLC's there's some sandnigger factions you can play as. But no kebab since no kebab at that time.

If you buy Age of Charlemagne expansion you can play one kebab faction - Emirate of Corduba.
>>
I GOT PROMOTED
>>
So do you guys assassinate your brother or just wait a few turns for Charlemagne?
>>
>>124935812
no persians or arabs with islam?
>>
>>124936252
>islam

Can you please stop being retarded?

I'm starting to think you are acting stupid on purpose
>>
>>124936252
Theres sassanids who are persians but islam didn't exist during attila's time period
>>
>>124936252
No islam in attila only in AoC
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>>124936361
but it did during the 800s when Charly was knockin about. That's when the new expansion is right?


the persians any good?
>>
>>124936524
Are you talkin about charlemagne dlc?
yes there is a muslim factions but not in Attila
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>>124933503
Scathach was a an actual mythological figure, and in Insular Celtic societies, women were the ones who taught martial arts.

It'd probably a bad idea to send the people you need to teach martial arts into an actual battle but eh, it's plausible tebehetch.
>>
>>124936679
is the charles DLC a separate expansion like FOTS was for Shogun?
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>>124936524
Sassanids were the easiest faction before but I think the white huns update will make tgings more difficult for them which is great
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Playing as Mercia, the British Isles are split between me and Northubria but I'm far more powerful. Their king married my 17 year-old drunkard daughter, do I just betray them and go full perfidious Albion?
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>>124936968
No
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>>124936968
Not its big dlc but required attila
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>>124936968
no, it's like the mini-campaigns for Rome 2 like HatG
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The Carolingians attacked me across the river, and have been trying to figure out how to cross it for a while now.

gg no re charlie
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>>124936968
Its more like part of the Kingdoms for M2
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>>124937305
It's not looking great.
Try and keep them in the river and use the bank as higher ground. That's what i'd do.
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Well the choice is obvious.
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should i buy charles the meme /twg/?
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>>124930193
I don't know if this is normal, it seems major enough that you would've noticed, but I'll point out:

1) The basic barbar spearmen seem to be misnamed - they're called "Levy Germanic Skirmishers", same as the actual skirmishers. They behave correctly, it's just the names, really.
2) Although I'm using the submod for English names, mercenaries (which are clearly equal to the base units other than cost/upkeep) are named in Latin for some reason.
3) I forgot which units exactly (sorry :^)) ), but some mid tier germanic units are lacking in a space in their name. I think it was archers, so it's something like GermanicHunters or GermanicBowmen or whatever. I'm not sure though.
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>>124937671
what happened to purple ramen guy?
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>>124932190
Amazingly fun, they feel like an anti-Hun faction with their large amounts of anti-horse cavalr, cataphracts and precursor units.
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>>124937623

PRAISE GOD
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>>124937794
He probably moved on like I did until this DLC came out
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>>124937741

I'll see if I can take a look at it. Appreciate the heads up.
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Just bought Attila, why the fuck is the FPS so terrible, is it just me?
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>>124937554
They couldn't cross the river. The 97 I lost were just due to me being an idiot and wandering briefly into catapult range.
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Playing Mercia is brutal.

>First turn, Welsh besiege Chester.
>Send the King and his army to relieve the siege and genocide the sheepshaggers.
>Second Welsh faction intercepts the King's army with a fuckhuge stack.
>Win the battle, but the King dies with heavy casualties for his army (fucking welsh archers). Had to retreat back to Lichfield.
>Welsh besieging Chester march east and besiege Lichfield, battle odds 50/50.
>Build up my army in Chester to help break the siege, send them east as quick as possible.
>Suddenly, Kent decides to revolt, sacking London in the process (fucking Jutes)
>Welsh army besieging Lichfield breaks off again.
>Now marching further east to attack undefended Lincoln.
>vikings probably not far off either.

The faction difficulty said easy, I just wanted to genocide the Welsh and beat up Vikings :'(
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>>124938063
turn off your f.cux pissfilter
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>>124938223
No kidding, i started getting shit flung at me from both the potato lovers the sheep fuckers and the arse bagpipes on turn 8

Walled city sieges are still brutal
>>
>battles slower
>units better balanced imo
>low tier cav not insane rape machines
>not so dreary
>buildings better imo

t-thanks CA
never liked attila until now
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>>124935639
subtle

kek

>>124938027
not just you
I play rome 2/shogun 2 max with ultra units, attila minimum but still with large unit sizes
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>>124938456
>sheep fuckers
I take it you weren't in this thread a few hours ago...?
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Humble Bundle brought Total War back on the weekly bundle. It's the same games as the last Total War bundle, so eh.
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>>124922617
>platefags
kill
your
self
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What
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>>124938673
>I play rome 2/shogun 2 max with ultra units, attila minimum but still with large unit sizes

Same, do I really have to play on minimum?
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>>124925775
I'm not germanic and my ancestors were christian as far back as I can trace.
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>>124938832
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>>124939010
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>>124939174
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>>124937671
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>>124939336

Time to siege Paris and take my rightful place as king of the Franks
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>>124938456
>>124938223
>Sheepshaggers
Look who is talking
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Super hot wife you got me here CA
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>>124939440
nice
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>>124939539
>marrying a ninja
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>>124939457
How do the frankish units look?
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>>124924240
>when vikings deleted Mercia
FOR THE ALLFATHER!!!
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>>124939749

Haven't seen much yet, armored units wear chainmail
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>>124939803

I don't know what the fuck the palace guard is doing
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>>124938882
Well, if you want good totally smooth FPS. I can't stand drops. It actually looks okay, honestly.

Just tool around with the options, I didn't really bother to min/max it. Graphics don't matter a whole lot to me. It ain't like Rome 1 where minimum makes everyone peg legged.
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>>124939906

Traitor scum
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>>124940169

Pushing the mid
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>>124929708
>Own laptop or smartphone
>browse /twg/ on secondary device while playing game in fullscreen

Oh im sorry i didnt realize this was plebville
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REMOVE SAXON
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Why does this cunt want to leave my lands so badly? Ignoring the civil war, welsh invasion, Jutish revolt and Viking raids, we're a fairly pleasant place.

What do.
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>>124940702
let him leave, you get a research bonus
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>>124940773
What happens if I make him stay?
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>>124940702
Fucking threaten him

>>124940773
liar
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>>124940581
I own both, but why the fuck would I want to browse on either of them instead of my convenient second monitor? I can't comfortably watch a movie on my phone or laptop while I'm playing Total War either.

Keep telling me how sour my grapes are though, pleb.
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How do I git gud at atilla? I always drop the ball no matter what I do. I thought i'd have more fun with AoC because I love that time period but I still get my shit stomped. Any tips on how to not suck?
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>>124940951
What part do you suck at?
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>>124940951
What faction ?
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>>124940829
If he leaves, you get a research penalty, but a bonus to fertility in all the lands you own for some time.

I guess if he stays you'll get the opposite? Though if you're a history fag, let him leave.
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>>124940702
If you let him leave you get +1 fertility in every province for 80 turns, but lose 20% research rate for 20 turns. No idea what happens if you make him stay.
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>>124940919
Because its convenient. Im currently at school, my /twg/ experience doesnt end at the desk like yours
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So what are you first impressions of Charlemagne everyone? I got a few complaints.

>Politics system seems to encourage going full tyrant instead of going for a balance, since you get +5 loyalty and only +10% corruption
>Some of the building bonuses seem a bit OP, like getting sanitation bonuses to every province that connects to the one with the sanitation building
>Not that many units, unfortunately

On the plus side, I like how they made the fields. You get food in every province as one of the bonuses, so no more HAVING to build a farm in every province.
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Fight Charlemagne y/n
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So the humble bundle is total war. I own all the games on their except rome 2. Is it worth 15 bucks?
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>>124941552
no_
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>>124941012
I'm alright at maintaining city stuff, because I like stuff like that. But actual battles fuck my shit up. I'm so use to empire and napoleon that actually engaging and knowing what units are good against what and when to strike what is killing me.
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>>124941401
Be his friend instead.
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>>124941027
I was trying out Mercia because I love the actual history behind them and england
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>>124941401
murk him mate
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>>124941401
invade the vikings
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Are archers nerfed in Attilla?

How the fuck do you use them?
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>>124941816
He hates me for being a great power
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>>124941280

Imo
> there's a lot less units per faction , but they all seem pretty soild , though danish berserks are overpowerd
> buildings are improved, and the people getting tired of war is a neat mechanic
> I like it's not so grimdark like attila
> not liking the new choice/mission system thought , it almost makes it as if you have to actully follow s campaign
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>>124941962
Flame arrows. They take down towers and do good damage to light cav, fire is really the only reaaon to take them over slingers early. End game is crossbows, theyre the balls
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>>124942345
it's pretty comfy as well, especially as Mercia.
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>>124942589
>Mercia
>Comfy

Its literally you vs the entirety of the UK
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>>124941205
>>smartphone
>out of my peripheral
>have to tilt my head to view it
>tiny screen that can only fit a few posts from a single thread

>>laptop
>waste of desk space
>waste of outlet
>stupid resolution and shitty panel
>smaller screen
>gets hot as fuck
>doesn't operate with my desktop's mouse, so I would have to use a second mouse or the abysmal touchpad
>doesn't play audio through my desktop's speakers or headphones

>>second monitor
>can glance over comfortably at any time without even moving my head
>can view many posts from several threads at the same time
>can also watch movies and youtube videos while I play
>large, high res screen because I don't have to worry about battery life
>only have to drag my mouse off of my main monitor and scroll around to scroll through the thread

I don't think you know what the word "convenient" means. Needlessly bringing another device into the picture sure as hell isn't it.

>b-but I can browse on the go
So can everyone else with a mobile device. What's your point?
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>>124920953
roll
>>
So what's a good early strategy for Charlemagne? Focus on Aquitania? The Saxons?
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>CA didn't just reuse Medieval II voices for Charlemagne

Fucking idiots. So, anyone interested in starting a project to make a mod for Charlemagne that replaces the audio files with shit from M2? I can't stand playing muh Spaniards and having them talk like posh English bastards.
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Poor fag here. Anyone know when Charlie gonna be free?
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>>124941097
>>124940842
>>124940773
>>124941058
This is what happens when you threaten him, he leaves anyway without your permission.
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>>124941693
well, what i do:

a mix of spears, axes, and a few heavy armored sword units

axes have high armor piercing, so i use them vs armored enemies/swordsmen

use axes or swords against spears

spears against cav

units without shields are easy prey for missile units
low armor units are shredded by slingers
slingers seem to beat archers
archers are good for burning the settlement, aim for a building beside the tower and you will more efficiently destroy it
onagers are best for this

I'm not an expert or anything.

Use agents to find out what your enemies have in their armies and build appropriate counters.
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Nobody is shit talking the new Charlemagne DLC.

Does that mean it's good or should i be worried my niggas.
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>>124944013
When you circumcize yourself and have a Bar Mitzvah
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>>124931619
Anyone got an idea how do get DEI battle to vanilla status?
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>>124944118
So never?
Such is life in Soviet land.
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>>124943848
Sound files for Attila can´t be modded in that fashion. Don´t know the exact reason.
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>>124944215

What, really? You can't just rename a file and have it work?

Fucking dammit, CA.
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Easy my fucking ass that was the most annoying flip flop bunch of wars i have ever had in this game.
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>>124944092

It's small but well formed imo.
Feels nice.
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>>124944350
Yeah it sucks, you can do it for Rome 2.
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>>124944062
Thanks anon, ill take this into consideration. I'll start as not Merica and see if another faction is not as cut throat at first.
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>>124944694
I think Chester has been sacked about 10 times in my game
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Is attila still "built for future graphics cards" or did they optimize the game?

>tfw playing on a potato
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>>124944694
I started as mercia and it almost turned me off playing AoC. I;m going to mess around with another faction.
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>>124944694
Wait, why are the Irish separatists in Wales and the Welsh separatists in Ireland?
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>>124945145
No clue what those guys are doing they have been hanging around since turn 5
>>
is AoC similar to FotE in terms of content?
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>>124945107
It runs like r2 if youve played that. There really isnt much of a difference for me, toaster to toaster.

Running like 20-30 fps medium on both, attila "feels" smoother though. This is with a graphics card bottleneck and an fx 8350
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>>124945145
They probably exchanged places by ship and the welsh ones managed to capture a province.
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You guys need to get your Caliphate on.
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>>124937623
>>124937909
>these decisions aren't in mp campaigns
why
the lay of ybor worked
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>>124945543
>asturias still alive

you fucked it up
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>>124945543
>Not getting your Khaganate on
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>>124945634
They are my kekboy

I will soon send an expedition to the Papal States
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>>124945748
Why get mad about it? I bet you popped a vein when you saw The Rolling Menhirs.
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wew lad
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>>124945107
Seems very well optimized.
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>>124944694

>England has some weird yellow X and not the flag of St. George
>Kingdom of Ulster has it
>Irish and Welsh separatists both have lions

What the hell is this?
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>>124946317
It's because he started as Mercia and I guess changing your realm name doesn't change the flag.
>>
>Melee outnumbered defense penalty is now ACTIVE. Units that are engaging several enemy units that are protecting one anothers flanks will suffer a massive, 50% melee defense penalty.


HOLY SHIT

RIP SPAGHETTI LINES
>>
Playing as the Lombards has been pretty fun, I think I'm about to get utterly destroyed though. I'm fighting a brutal war with Sicily in the south, the Avars are planning to invade in the east and I refused to give back Ravenna so I'm at war with Charlemagne as well. that war Weariness does not fuck around
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>>124945978
>>
>>124945543
>Marca Hispania
>Marca Media
>Marca Inferior
>no Marca Superior
>>
>>124946530


I was giving a lot of shit to CA during the stream cause the dlc looked really easy but now I'm getting my ass handed to me
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Well this is going to get interesting
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I actually kinda like how in AoC provinces have different purposes, like some are cities, some are villages, some are manors etc.
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>>124945978
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>>124947056
Vassalize the papal state and recruit a papal guardsmen unit.
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>Be Muslims
>Declare war on Papal States, Charlemagne declares war on me
>Capture Rome
>Kill Pope
>LE PEACE TREATY PLEASE
cvcked
>>
>>124947374


AoC is good, I have only 2 complaints:

1. The lack of new voice acting is really immersion breaking

2. The artwork for the building icons is terrible, like really ugly
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>>124948009
>2. The artwork for the building icons is terrible, like really ugly

I disagree.
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>>124948009
The faction rosters are a little barebones as well, but on the other hand I kinda like the return to Shogun 2 style rosters.
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>>124947956
I guess it's the war weariness taking effect. Neat that it will affect the ai in this way too.
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>>124946462
Please elaborate. I thought units always had a penalty for exposed flanks, and how does that end spagetti lines? Wouldnt it encourage that shit in order to remove the flanked penalty?
>>
Arr rook same vs all look same

what's better
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>>124945978
You should now kill yourself
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>>124948391
all look same
fuck gooks
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>>124948210
>I kinda like the return to Shogun 2 style rosters.

Yeah I also kinda like it. MP with these factions might be pretty neat.
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>>124948391
anime can fuck off.
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for charlamagne expansion are there any factions with kick ass two handed axe units?
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>>124948673
Danes
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>>124948673

I WONDER WHICH FACTION COULD FEATURE KICK-ASS TWO HANDED AXES SUCH AS THE DANE AXE

COULD IT BE

THE DANES?
>>
>want to play AoC
>don't want to buy Attila

I hate my life
>>
>>124948990
>not wanting to buy the 3rd best TW after M2 and RTW
>>
>>124948872
I swear, my royal family never tries to have kids unless they have bastards. It's terrible.
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>>124948872
Your wife looks pretty dark t.b.h
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>>124948872
Well look at your wife. Visigoths can't resist that iberian ass.
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>>124920591
Haha thanks Darren =^)

Good luck on the Job!

I hope we can all get rid of the Trolls! They really are becoming problematic with their childish complaints about DLC.
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>>124948673
The Danes are very much focused on infantry and they do use dane axes to axe apart people

>>124948990
You have a week til the winter sale starts, go get a job
>>
>>124947956

>entire known Christian world doesn't declare war on you right now

Pretty immersion breaking.
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>>124948872
keked
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>>124930874
A rational muslim wouldn't find this offensive, people did war throughout history.

>>124920953
Roll
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>>124949165
>M2 is good

ahaha a FELLOW MEMESTER! OR as like to say MEME MAESTRO! That sure is a great and funny memetastic meme mr memmaster!! XDDD

post
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>>124949191
Can you really blame the Visigoths for not resisting that ass?
>>
So whats the consensus on the playable factions for Charlemagne?
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>>124949165
>le M2 is the best Total War meme

Is it time for webms already?
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>>124947056
Based Pope.
>>
https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly
Iiiiiiiiiits baaaack!
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>>124949165
>better than shogun 2

kek
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>>124948673

Danes and the dank Guardians of the Hindu Kush
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>>124923557
>need units
CA has tons of factions that are just one or two extra units compared to the other germans, and creating one or two units really isn't much with how much unpaid modders do.
>need events
Usually events are a culture wide thing


Sure it would be nice to see more factions with the actual variety of different culture and units, but then that would actually take real extra work.
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>>124944694
>take Downpatrick
>their army was on a boat and takes Dublin
>pull my army out of Downpatrick, march down to Dublin
>can't quite reach
>they get back on their boats and go back up to downpatrick
FUCK OFF JUST FIGHT PROPERLY YOU TWATS
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>>124949667
Sort of tempted to buy it for Empire, Rome 2 and original Medieval but then again I'm currently playing Total Wars that entertain me and I know that Empire and Rome 2 are garbage
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>>124949514
I'm enjoying Asturias like I hoped. That's my consensus.
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>>124949863
Rome 2 is good
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>>124949165
You mean after RTW and Shogun 2 right ;)
>>
Holy shit, differences in religious worship really fucks you over in AoC. I'm still super unsure of how to move against as the Avars now that I took out the Croats. I got non-ag with Bavaria and Bohemia, but I don't know if I can take out the Lombards and their vassals, that despite what was send on stream, those in my game are fighting over who can suck more Lombard dick.
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>>124949312

>The Danes are very much focused on infantry
>focused

nigga they have no cav
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>>124950047
sounds pretty focused
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>>124949863
R2 is ok now, not great, good might be applicable if you really really like the setting, but as it stands Empire is the only "bad" TW
ALEXANDER ISNT REAL
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>>124949325
Look up how many times Rome and its environs were raided/sacked during the dark ages. The corresponding number of crusades is 0 until the 11th century.
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Age of Charlemagne just makes me miss Medieval total war
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>>124948872
We wuz Kings n' shit ayy
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>>124949863
Rome 2 is fine now tBh especially with DEI mod
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>>124950660
>>124950093
>>124949946
Any mods that make the UI look nicer?

I like the time period, but I feel like compared to Attila the UI looks terrible.
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>>124950660

where did this we wuz kings shit start
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>>124950824
/pol/ mocking afrocentrists, but it gained traction here and on /v/ after the AOE2 expansion.
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>>124950824
black people thinking the Egyptians were all nubile peoples
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>>124950824
Age of Empires 2 DLC African Kingdoms (Ethiopia, Portugal and someone else)

To make fun of Black people that try to push "Mozart and Caesar were black" agendas everyone now posts "we wuz kings n sheet" if they spot brown people in positions of royalty, be they real or fictional.
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>>124950786
Attila UI is looks better and i not sure if there any mod to fix it
there is rome 2 mod for attila coming if you don't mind to wait for like 5 more years for it
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>>124923108
Guns took dominance in Nippon even though they were much more "brave" about using their melee.

>>124924632
Into the badlands sort of attempts to answer this question.

>>124923536
That's whats happening now with combat armor research.
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>>124950093
Fuck you empire is dank
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>>124951391
>people still think humans will engage in combat in the future
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>>124950824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaX6tyq9pI
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>>124950093
Naval battles are comfy as fuck you plebian
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>>124951630
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>Start charlemagne
>The kingdom of asturias can raze settlements
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>>124950824
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>Be King Offa
>Defending your peasantry from marauding sheep shaggers
>Battle begins to look grim
>Pray to God for His divine favor
>Feeling generous so He gives you a hand
>youhavinagiggleLord.tapestry
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>>124920258

>Months ago
>Some guys keep saying there will be a Charlemagne campaign
>Keep laughing at them and calling them delusional retards
>Leave /twg/ for a while
>Wake up today, check Steam news feed
>AGE OF CHARLEMAGNE ANNOUNCED
>Mfw you guys were right all along

PRAY YOU FORGIVE ME I KNEW NOT MY FOLLY
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wat do
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>>124952221
>announced

We are playing it right now

>>124952350
Shed the blood of Frankish men
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>>124952447
If you like getting 9 factions running around sacking your provinces then running away you`ll love it
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>>124952447
I think they are fun

I'm just about done getting my hand on these petty wars and sailing over to Ireland to subdue those subhuman monkey people
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>>124952350

Make a Bloody Verdict in Paris
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>>124952350
What Alexander would do
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REMOVE FRANK
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>>124952671
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>>124952189
Holy shit wat.
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>>124952189
Praise the Lord!
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>>124952857
WODAN VULT
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That took way too fucking long. I originally had a potato tax on all of Ireland but they chimped out and only one of those inbred fucks are left.
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ALLAHU ACKBAR
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>>124952189
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>>124953192
How do I deal with Northumbria?

They are growing fat
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Is there some thingy in windows I can enable to make it stop muting Attila when I tab out in borderless mode?
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>>124953384
On my game they got wiped out by the picts who were complete and utter cunts to take out. Just build a stacks or two and expect ireland to sail on over and sack everything while you're dealing with them. Don't bother making any allies because you need the land of the people who like you to make your kingdom.
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>>124952739

Fuck a boy?
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>>124953621
I wanted to subjugate Mathrafal in Wales for muh welsh archers but those fuckheads just rebelled against me so I think it's time to wipe them off the fucking map
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>>124952857
SCHLACHTUNG
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>>124953569

no idea
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I like how it's much shorter for units inside settlements to start taking attrition now
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>>124953697
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>780
>Carloman is still alive

Just drop dead you fucking cunt.
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>>124938781
>124938781

fuck me, thanks for this heads up. I was just about to drop £18 on MTW2 + expansion

and for £5.40 i get essentially every TW game that i didn't own.
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>>124954190
>Just drop dead you fucking cunt.

Ways exist to speed things up you know
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Reminder that I did what few men have achieved. I removed Horsefuckers!
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>>124951932
>This book is real
Wtf with that Hannibal was black propaganda
Arabas and niggers have nothing to do with Carthage!
STOP THIS SHIT!
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decnuonna ton llits sgnik bmot>
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> Tomb Kings still not announced
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>>124954507
nice
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>>124954190

Have you considered assasinating him like the real Charlemagne? Use your brain dumbo
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>>124954507

Oh shit, did you know I just woke up and was about to post that? Are you fucking watching me?
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>>124954507
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>>124954558
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>>124954785
anime can fuck off
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>>124954507
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>It wasn't the people
>It wasn't God
>It was you
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>>124954507

Okay I'm officially spooked WTF just happened
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>>124955221
>implying it wasn't God

heresy to be honest
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>>124920953
Rolland
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>>124920953
Gods of the afterlife, spare my arse
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>>124955487
I WILL SHED THE BLOOD OF FRANKISH MEN
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>>124954507
>>124954558
Wait wtf I've only just realised what happened

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>124954507
Saving this gif for the time when tomb kings actually going to be announced
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>take some factions last settlement
>the tiny forces left outside suicide-attack you in a desperate attempt to take their home back on the next turn

It's sort of sad but I'm glad I don't have to chase these fuckheads down to kill them all
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>>124929026
>not tutsi cockroaches
I thought /twg/ was supposed to be a mini-/his/
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>>124954858
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>>124956032
I'm not going to open that, but I'll tell you to fuck off just in case.

Fuck off.
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>>124956030
That is from /pol/. Made after Turkey shot down a russian plane and russian nationalists got extremely butthurt.
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>>124956132
Legend?
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>>124956132
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>>124928380
Shit I remember her, she used to have a warhammer / tabletop miniatures youtube channel.
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Reminder that thanks to K:TW, ANIME IS TOTAL WAR.
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>>124943573
I'm not playing currently, just had about an hour before I had to head to work and I won't get to play it for at least 6 more hours. That said my VH plan was to focus on the one region in Aquitainia to complete the province and force peace. The rest of my forces I started sending east to hold off the Saxons and take the small regions in their territory after that I'll try to consolidate my lands and deal with public order and get ready for potental war with my brother.
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>>124956578
????
>>
Haven't bought Attila yet but want to play AoE

Should I do a campaign with Attila first then do an AoE campaign, or skip Attila and just start a AoE campaign?
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>>124956858

Ay watch out, I got the WE WUZ KINGS pack for AOE2, and the campaigns crashed frequently.
I JUST WANTED TO RECREATE MALI FUCK.
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>>124956858
I'd play Attila anyway, but I'm a bit biased because BI was my favorite total war before.
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>>124956858
>>124957048
>>124957064
AoC not AoE, I'm a fucking idiot
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Should I continue to Deus Vult or allow him time to rebuild?
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>>124957410
Do the prologue for Attila so you get a good feeling for it, then jump into charles le magnet
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>>124957679
>accepting Jew join

no
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>>124957679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU
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>removing croation facists with the power of Tengri
Best TW game
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>>124957410
They play pretty different but it might be smart to do the tutorials first so you get to know familiy tree mechanics and so on.
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>Attila had about 11k players at its peak today
>Thanks to charlesthememe

Good job Charles
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Wow.

Just wow.
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>>124958019
>tfw all the TWC tears
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>>124958198

>meme

It a line from an anime
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>>124920953
roll
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>>124958228
How bad is it?
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>>124957820
>>124957939
Asturias will continue to fight, then. In memory of our Visigothic ancestors.
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>>124958198
It's just a fucking line.
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>>124957679
At least take the region in middle of your land
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How long will it be for some nice reskins for Charlemagne? Really don't like these bright ass levy spearmen that look alike
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>>124959416
I like that it's more colorful and happy to be honest

Recolors can't take long
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>>124958198
Confirmed, anime is total war
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>>124959507
Well its not even the colour 8ts just the levy guys all have same hat and dont look very different from eachother
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>>124958198
I don't get it
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>>124959667
Of course it is.
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>>124958228
pls post screencaps for hilarity
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>>124959882
Sorry, I mean hypothetical tears.
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>>124959416
That's how it was senpai, people always liked color
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=572889879
Who did this?
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>tfw you planned on pre-ordering charlememe but forgot to so now have to pay full price
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get fucked charley
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>>124960320
why is it not borderless

what are you doing
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>>124960559
I have youtube videos playing in the corner of the screen, my desk isn't big enough for two monitors and i like to be able to move it.
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>>124960320
>that guy on the right
WAKE ME UP
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He sends another peace offer and talks about respect.

The fucker is trying to give me half of what he offered before. This is a good enough reason to keep fighting and pushing him out of Spain, right?
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>>124961349
Restore Visigothia
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>>124961349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_J2C6Hrz0
REMOVE
E
M
O
V
E
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>>124961349
BREAK HIM
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Now that AoC is out I finally bought Attila. It's installing right now, will I be able to run it on high graphics? My gpu isnt that great.

My specs are: I7 3.4 ghz quad 6700 ,16 Gb ram and Radeon R9 370
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>>124950093
>>124959751
From an anime, Gurren lagann
One of the repeated lines , the Mc looks up to another character , who says that often
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>>124961730

You'll be okay, Just lay off the SMAA and screen space reflections
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>>124961782
Anime can fuck off
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>bought AoC
>tfw refunded because none of the units looked all that great

nigga I wanted medieval warfare.
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>>124962137
It's kind of sad that there's no cure for retarded people
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>>124962137
AoC is basically The Last Kingdom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6j5bDoga9Y
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>>124962137
it is medieval warfare
were you expecting chivalric knights or something?
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>>124961440
>>124961489
>>124961617
He continues to cower and beg. He has now tripled his asking price since he is heavily affected by war weariness.

Should the Visigoth train hit the brakes?
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>>124920325
Pagans sacrificed animals and humans to their God's and Goddesses.

Christianity doesn't.
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>>124962137
>not waiting for unit mods
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>>124952189
jesus christ
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>>124962137
And that's what you got. Sorry you think the middle ages is that short window in time with knights in full plate.
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>>124962312

I was expecting more than what amounts to a copy paste with new names and mediocre tier rosters.
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>>124920360
They were an Islamic horde and to this day still are.
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>>124961876
Cool I don't feel like playing on low and Rome 2 ran nicely on high settings. Thanks, bud.
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>>124961730
Attila is designed for future hardware.
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>>124962257
Tried watching that show
Saxons for some reason dont know how to shield wall, mc is unlikeable, some armours look fantasy like, etc.
>>
>>124962354
Christianity sacrifices goats, did you not read the story of Isaac?
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>>124962326
Take his money and as soon as tye treaty wears out attack again. You can milk dosh out of him
>>
>>124962640
>mc is unlikeable
he's supposed to be a #lad that always ends up supporting Alfred because of circumstance. In the books at least he's very relatable.
>>
>>124962914
>>124962640
I turned it off when the when mc does some heroic shit and instead of going to tell the king about he goes "nah I need to see muh waif, we should send the guy that hates me tell the king instead"
>Arrives at the kings court later than everyone else
>WHY DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT MY HEROIC DEED WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING
>he storms in King Alfred the pious faggot during prayer
>I turn off the show

I just feel bad for everyone involved, I don't watch shit like that to make me feel bad for people because they are being stupid
>>
>>124962354
Thou shalt also take one ram; and Aaron and his sons shall put their hands upon the head of the ram. And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar. And thou shalt cut the ram in pieces, and wash the inwards of him, and his legs, and put them unto his pieces, and unto his head. And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the Lord: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the Lord (Exodus 29:15-18)

Read your Bible unsaved scum!!
>>
>>124921381
>tfw the reasons all the ruins are so damaged in present day is due to marble and stone looting during the Renaissance combined with various war damage and senseless destruction to build new buildings over the years.
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>>124962914
He acts like and idiot and makes stupid mistakes and does retarded things and then is shocked when thiers consequences.
>>
>>124963402
yeah because clearly they were all learning from the old testament
>>
>>124963348
I got tiny bit past where he goes raiding cornwall and trusts these danes and gets backstabbed by them
>>
How're all your Age of Charlemagne campaigns going, folks? I'm playing the Avars right now, and I'm kicking some serious ass with those horse archers (plus those bow-armed spearmen they've got). Anyone know how to get a decent food surplus going, though? I'm hovering pretty low at the moment, and it's got me worried that I won't be able to upgrade any of my towns any time soon. How can I get a nice surplus of food going?
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>>124963739
>trusts these danes and gets backstabbed by them

If I ever gave the show another chance that would have broken me

Like what the fuck is this show created by some pervert where you watch some moron trying to do his best and getting fucked over at every turn because he's stupid and nothing but bad things happen to him?
>>
>>124963348
They utterly butchered the TV series. I read and loved the books, but I took one look at the show and couldn't bring myself to even look at that abomination. I mean, one thing about the books is that older Uhtred, who's narrating, at least acknowledges that he was a hot-headed retard in his younger years.
>>
Whats the correct build order in Rome 2 and Shogun 2?
>>124932748
The "Rise of Britannia" DLC coming to Rome 2 currently codenamed "Sandalwood" will feature an extensive British isles map during the rebellion of Boudicca.
>>
>>124963826
Just finished as Mercia, it was enjoyable enough but the start was fucking awful. They need to change it from "easy" to at least "hard" i thought it was going to be comfy.
>>
So is this age of champagne standalone? Can I go start looking for torrents?
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>>124963437
Spolia use is a late Roman thing, it was done to link contemporary generation/emperor with past greatness. See the Arch of Constantine, it uses substantial amounts of marble from Trajan and Hadrian
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>>124962137
I'll buy it once someone makes a mod that transfers this mod's setting to the vanilla map.
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>>124931234
Man I love Medieval. How come they removed the incest mechanic in every game since?
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>>124964058
You can go start looking for a job
>>
>>124963731
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:18)

>NOT
>ONE
>JOT

Have you forgotten that the TEN COMMENDMENTS, the BASIS FOR OUR MORALITY, came from THE OLD TESTAMENT?

>b-but I don't like parts of the old testament, I'll just pick and choose

Can't wait to see you burn in hell you satan worshipping heretic.
>>
>>124964053

Yeah, I've been reading everyone's posts about Mercia. I took a look at it, and decided to just stick with the horsefuckers for the time being.
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>>124931234
The Viking Invasion 2 mod for BI was great
I spent so long playing that shit
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Cordoba has had better days.
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>>124964276
Fuck off you jewish kike faggot
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>>124964414
>that Jew nose
>>
>25th Birthday
>AoC releases
>32 minutes XCOM 2 playthrough

Today was a good day.
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>>124964041
Maybe I'll check the book out but the show hasn't given me a good impression so far.
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>>124964276
>Have you forgotten that the TEN COMMENDMENTS, the BASIS FOR OUR MORALITY, came from THE OLD TESTAMENT?
>Can't wait to see you burn in hell you satan worshipping heretic.
>>
>>124964537
>/xcg/ isn't on life support anymore
I was like a quarter of some of those threads.
>>
>>124964537
Happy Birthday anon.

I haven't had a chance to look at Xcom footage because I'm playing Charlemagne, how is it looking?
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>>124964253
Good goy! Give all your money CA! They're such a great company!
>>
Whats a good build order in Rome 2 and Shogun 2?
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>>124964171

>Giant Abbasid blob

A B B A S I D
B
B
A
S
I
D

You have to go so far as 868 AD to start getting the Abbasid empire falling apart. At best you could play up earlier than it happened the breakup of the empire with various local dynasties and the proto-ISIS Kharijites.

>>124964704

Not him but while the "release DLC" (season pack more like it) was discouraging the gameplay looks solid and fantastic. I have no doubts the game will be better by miles than Xcom2012. or XcomEW
>>
>>124964729
remember to buy the chaos culture pack
>>
>>124964537
Happy birthday anon. I wish you heroic victories in your battles.
>>
>>124964704


Watching right now
>>124964729

Go away nerd
>>
d-do girls post on /twg/?
>>
>>124964818
>At best you could play up earlier than it happened the breakup of the empire with various local dynasties
Oh boy, they'll be supercharged Sassanids.
>>
>>124964760
YARI W A L L

BUILD A WALL
MAKE JAPAN GREAT AGAIN
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>>124965036
only ugly ones
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Why is everyone in this thread playing rome2 instead of the original? Is it that good?
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>>124965192
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>>124964849
Oh no! Did you get exposed Mr. Goldberg? Are you going to go shut it down? Will you do it before you do some more shilling on /twg/ or afterwards?
>>
>>124965265
It's not that Rome 2 is good, it's that Rome 1 is shit
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>>124965265
Atilla is that good. Rome 1 is really feeling its age, even with mods.
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>>124965265
They’re being paid to pretend to like it.
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>>124965123
I meant buildings and province management.
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>>124965265
Rome 2 with DeI is great.
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>>124965739
Do we really need to start a webm campaign to prove that Rome is garbage?
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>tfw Cordoba is weak as shit
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>asturias
>difficulty: easy

Fuck that, you are piss poor, always get a plague at the beginning, and it's only easy if you're a pussy and make peace with the Muslims.

Putting my Ebdanian campaign on hold for a while, I must remove the Moorish scum, and nobody else is posting their Asturias campaigns.

We spent the first 20 or so turns faffing about recolonizing and trying to build up an economy (although our economy has actually dropped somehow), but now we're taking the fight to the Moors. We plan on recapturing Zaragoza and Barcelona, before invading the Umayyads. This is the aftermath of the capture of Tudela. The small Moorish garrison quickly fell to the Swords of St. James.

¡Santiago y cierra, España!
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>>124965801
Ignore him, he's that racist /pol/ maggot.
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>>124966019
I prefer the new games, but why do you always strawman
Whenever someone posts something about the new games some autist like you always pops up and goes
>LMAO LOOK AT THIS WEBM OF THESE OLD GAMES NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE SO SHIT XD
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>>124965801
In Shogun 2 you want to upgrade the farms everywhere and build some markets for money and metsuke

Also build a sake den for money and ninjas
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>>124966208
This board is in American, My Bible is in American, God speaks American so why the fuck aren't you speaking American??
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>>124966224
Whats wrong with being racist?
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>>124966325
This doesn't happen in a vacuum, its usually in response to
>DUDE COLLISION LMAO ONLY PAID SHILLS LIKE WARSHIT
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>Be Mercia
>Sheep fucking Welsh faction seiges Chester with other Sheep fucking Welsh Faction
>General rushes my Fyrd Spears
>Get fucked up mainly by tower
>General gets fucked
>Most of their Infantry routs
>My infantry fucking routs
>Try to kite the rest of their force with my Archers around towers
>They rout

REEEE

IF YOU DECIDED NOT TO RUN WE WOULD OF WON THE FUCKING BATTLE

SPINELESS SHITS
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>>124966418
>what's wrong with being racist

Is this a serious question?
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>>124966610
>>what's wrong with being racist
If you know why don't you tell us?
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>>124966535
but it was in response to
>They’re being paid to pretend to like it.
Literally no mention of Rome 1 was made, why is there a need to attack it because some faggot is shitposting about something you like?
Counter shitposting is still shitposting
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>>124966208
I just raped them from 2 sides and my bro is helping. Valencia bitched out and refused to join Cordoba in the war.
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>>124966363
Should I focus on certain regions to build my armies and everything inbetween the frontlines be economical based?

What about Rome 2? All the cultures have different building styles and the temples are more numerous than Rome 1. Which temples are best?
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>>124966408

porque la lengua de conquistadores y matadores de moros es el glorioso castellano.

Quien eres, un musulman de mierda?

translation: I'm getting my reconquista on, deal with it faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti4tTvoF_5M
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The Spain maps in Medieval 2,Rome 2,Empire and Napoleon are better than AoC.

Something is just so off about the campaign map for Spain.
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>>124966747
It's neat how you have no issue with the first shitpost, but the second one is a HUGE issue
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Who's that disgusting black blob in northeastern Spain? Glad I'm taking that area first.

Anyway, I think I'll actually leave the Moors in southern Al-Andalus for a while to build up the cozy architecture. Andalusia needs to develop some of that Moorish flavor so that her reconquest is all the sweeter.
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>>124967131
Why are you assuming stuff again?
shitposting is shitposting, stop having a bitch fit because I called you out on being an obnoxious strawmanning faggot
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>>124965036
i do
but i have a benis
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>>124967017
el hablo no spreche espanol
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>>124967421
fug :DDDD
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>>124966969
There's regions that give bonuses to building units, like a fletcher for archers with better accuracy or a blacksmith for better armor or damage for your melee units

I would build units there if you can
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>>124967360
You're talking to at least least two different anons here, and the only one throwing a bitch fit is you.
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>>124967126

Fuck off, the Spain map is great. 10 cities, proper mountains dividing things up, it feels great.

In other news, Charlie is shaming his descendant and getting Frankish blood spilled by Saxon men.

Fucking get it together, man.
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>>124967668
You shouldn't have even bothered butting in tbqh you dickhead
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>>124967680

Bring it on, Moorish dogs.
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>>124967598
Ah I see. Thanks mate.

So Rome 2? Whats the best method? Some people say do it historically for more roleplaying i.e Corsica et Sardinia being a major grain producer just like in real history. Cisalpina being home to the workshops and factories, Italia being the Military region and Magna Graecia being the cultural and economical centre of the homeland.

What temples are best?
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>almost 2016
>still no mod for naked warriors with varying penis sizes for Rome 2 or Attila
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>>124967131
That's not an answer to the question. Why did you shit on RTW when nobody mentioned it at all?
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>>124966610
Back to reddit with you
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>>124967965

The Moorish army approaches.

>>124967680

Sorry, meant 10 provinces, of course.

>>124967271

And meant this as a question to >>124966869
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>>124967978
Whichever ones that give food and maybe the martian one in your military provinces. And no, the game isn't historically accurate and you only get 6 buildings tops so choose wisely.
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>>124968336
If you mean the blue-grey faction, it's my ally, they went to war with Barcelona and took all there shit.

If you mean the maroon colour in France, that's the BLOOD OF THE SAXON MEN
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>>124968197
The original post in that reply chain did, now stop crying about it already.
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>>124968336

We thin our line out to prepare to encircle them, and it works... somewhat. It just kind of devolves into a mess, I think we'll pull through though.
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>>124968197
How can anyone be possibly this unable to handle the banter
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>>124965036
I post here
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>>124967978
Trial and error anon. It's the only way you will learn.

Rome is the easiest to start with. I like the idea of historical gameplay by making provinces accurate. I might do that myself for fun whenever I play Rome 2 next. I usually make Corsica et Sardinia for example a culture centre(for any faction that takes it most recently Parthia) but a grain centre sounds like a great plan due to its prime location and actual historical purpose for both the Republic and Empire.


Try normal difficulty for Rome 2 to begin with. Not Easy or you will never learn. Get the 2-4 tpy mod as that will help. Agents and generals will not die as quick. As vanilla is 1turn=1 year. Get champions as quick as you can and just put them in your army. Recruit champions that give +exp to your army only. You can get your army to maximum experience without them fighting a battle because of it. Comes in handy as your war machine starts rolling once the economy starts booming.

Also use your fleets in patrol stance in contested waters to reduce piracy which I think takes 56% of all trade income away if you fully take control of a sea region by controlling all land regions linked to it the reduction drops to just 7% taken away.

Don't make military alliances because you will expand quite quickly in time and need lots of lebensraum and resources. Try non aggression pacts and trade agreements with everyone that isn't a direct neighbour.
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>>124969260

We actually lose. Their large missile superiority is probably responsible for it, as well as the unanticipated weakness of our cavalry.
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>no AoC custom battles to check out the unit rosters
>only 2 edicts per faction
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>>124958198
Danky, CA
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>>124969924
>>no AoC custom battles to check out the unit rosters

anon what
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Why javilin throwers ? I know they were around in R2 peroid and to an extend Attila, but early midevil times?
Pic unrelated
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>>124969924
There is an aoc custom battle tho
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>>124969890

Yeah, their missile units ended up getting about 2/5 of their total kills, and without htat we would have been able to break them with envelopment.

Thankfully it isn't a total route, and we already have a backup army building in captured Tudela, next door.
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>>124969890
>plat on normal
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>>124970149

Because they were still the most common projectile weapon and will continue to be for a few hundred years
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>>124945565
>>these decisions aren't in mp campaigns
God fucking dammit
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>>124969924

Anon select age of charlemagne on map setting in custom campaign
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looks like the man himself has decided to come out and face me
he is not walking out of here intact
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>>124961349
Tell him to send his finest desert whores if he wishes peace in Spain preferably his sisters because we all know Arabs have many sisters so they can spare a few.

I'm a Catholic and descendant of 17 Knights Templar,5 Teutonic Knights and 30 royal knights of the Crown of England.

I know what I'm doing, trust me ;)

This will totally not descend into beheadings and crucifixions followed by the total occupation of rightful European clay. As I said. Trust me I'm Catholic.
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>>124970291
It's his(the dude anon was replying to) first time playing by the sounds of it. Give him a break.

The more total war players the better.
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>>124970831
>I'm a (literally) inbred shitposter
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>>124964610

Books are better by far, but it's your choice. If it sways your opinion any, it's by the guy who wrote the Sharpe series.
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>Asturias get +50% ambush chance
Is this the first faction where ambushes are actually possible?

Because seriously, never seen a single person pull it off. Between needing to guess where the AI is going and the piss poor chance it seems insanely rare.

Also
>no crossbow units at all
What the hell.
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Is Great Moravia featured/relevant/given any interesting units (I know it's not playable)? Slovakboo here wants to know if it's given the proper respect.
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>>124964045
I fin this highly unlikely
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>>124971024
Even a retard can play on hard. You have to be brain damaged or like extremely boring games to play on normal.
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You can just smell how desperate he is now.
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why are there no torrents for aoc yet FUCK
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>>124971563
Is there even a working crack of Atilla yet? The last I knew it was still crashing a few turns in.
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>>124971054
Take that back heretic.

We Anglo-German-Spaniards are true Europeans.

I wish Castillian noble bro was in this thread. He's a cool guy. He sent me proof of his claims complete with timestamped videos of his familys heirlooms complete with the Saracen's head in a glass case.

would reclaim Europe with/10

Islam is and always shall be our enemy. They started this war after all.
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>>124971460
Poor little Muslim guy.
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>>124971950
Stop the boats
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>>124970276

We gather our forces, and encircle Zaragoza for half a year. The Moors have not had time to rebuild their armies, and revenge for our earlier defeat will be swift and brutal.
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>>124972458
>when they show moors as slaves, they are brown...
>when they show moors as kings, they are white....

damn...
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>>124972118
10/10
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is it just me or are the skins for "avar horse masters" and "avar noble archers" need to be swapped
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>>124971129
>no crossbow units at all

Picts are the only faction with crossbows
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>>124972118
They won't get far. I'll stop the boats, and then I'll build a wall to keep them out.
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>>124973270
just you
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>>124971129
The church banned crossbows, and all the good Islamic, Christian, Pagan, and Tengri factions obeyed.

Except the Picts because they are pagans.
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>>124973430
Crossbows were only banned way after Charlemagne.
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>no peasants
>no crossbows/armored crossbows
>no axe throwing weapons (or throwing weapons on of any kind on units outside ranged)
>no pikes

Disappointed. They could have added in more unit diversity. Not like this would have been hard all this shit exists in the base game.

This just makes me want Medieval 3 more.
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>>124973775
Did they actually ban crossbows?
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>>124972458

We hit them with a massive frontal assault, while our reinforcements arriving from across the river enter across the unprotected bridge.

This is the result.
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>>124973430
>>124973271
That was well after this time period, post roman fall crossbows would have been common as fuck.
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>>124974017
>axe throwing weapons

This isn't Lord of the Rings, get your fantasy shit out of here

Turns out there are no unicorns either
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>>124974317
It was extremely common for Frankish fighters to carry axes that they would use either as weapons or as throwing weapons. As would the Danes.

I understand they need to diversify the factions, but cutting out basic soldiers like axes from factions is just silly.
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>>124974025
Pope said you shouldn't shoot other Christians with them I think, don't think anyone listened though
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>>124974025
There are loose records, I recall. I would find sources, but I'm posting from my phone during a study break.
No one really followed the order, though, and I think it's more just treated as a sign that practicality sometimes overpowers religious obligations or just a meme history reference. Though, people did respect the pope when he said that less people should die at tournaments. People stopped trying to actively kill each other by using blunted weapons and less deadly alternatives, but accidents still happened.
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>>124974917
>>124974643
Is it because shooting someone with a crossbow is sort of like using a nailgun to fix Jesus to the cross?
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>>124973056

But that's actually accurate, the leaders would often have children by European slave girls, meaning that the ruling class was often whiter than the average population.
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Gotta say desu lads that AoC is pretty neat.
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>>124975063
There is no honor in using a crossbow.
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Anyone else not have the AoC factions in custom battle?
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>>124975454
>MA HONOR
Its hilarious that out of all the humans that have ever existed, its knights who are associated with honor.

The same people who went around raping, pillaging, shitting on those less holy than thou and generally being the biggest assholes of their time.

The only worthiness knights had was coming out of the right type of cunt attached to the right type of powerful person.
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>>124975428
I agree, I'm having fun

>>124975512
You need to select the AoC map
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>>124975769
Yeah, knights were never as honorable as the Samurai.
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>>124974178

We just got an event for +60 relations with the guys, because of being peaceful neighbors... but their king is mucking about on our border.

What are these perfidious Moors planning?
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>>124975783
Ah, thank you
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>>124975063
"Second Lateral Council 1139
-Canons
Quote:
29. We prohibit under anathema that murderous art of crossbowmen and archers, which is hateful to God, to be employed against Christians and Catholics from now on."
I'm not sure the specific use, it appears to be implied that nobility didn't like their armor being pierced, enough to get the Pope on their side. I can't find any sources directly about the ban, mostly people talking about it and a military focus on crossbows.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=748562
http://militaryhistorynow.com/2012/05/23/the-crossbow-a-medieval-wmd/
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=120854
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>>124975862
Oh fuck right off
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>>124973430
>>124974025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Council_of_the_Lateran#Important_canons

>Slings,bows and crossbows.
It only applied to Christians and the source is up for debate as there's no concrete source for it.
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>>124975769
found the peasant
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>>124974317
Pretty sure axe throwing while charging is historically accurate.

Also new thread you cunts
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>>124975867
Get rid of them now, before it is too late.
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>>124975948
You realize you are a modern day peasant right?

Knights would shit all over you.
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>>124976026
Yeah sure thing anon the one thing I want to do while charging is throw away my weapon to maybe make some guy's shield a little heavier
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>>124976192
>im going to ignore historical documents and accounts and just claim throwing weapons are not a real thing because I dont see how it could be!
See, you are the reason why CA is now doing fantasy.
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>playing Charlemagne
>mfw
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>>124975867

We'd been drawn into a war with Barcelona a few turns ago, after they declared war on our defensive allies, Gascony. Their army marches on newly conquered Zaragoza, and we move out to meet their encamped forces.

>>124976062

B-but Abd ur-Rahman has actually been a bro so far, we've got non-aggression pacts and even a trade agreement! He even respects me for being a great power!

Anyway, we want to take out Barcelona first.
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>>124976192
>I have this perfectly good pila here, why would I throw it away when I can use it to stab people?
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>>124976345
>find some documents scribbled with bullshit
>IT MUST BE TRUE

Yes, knights used to fight giant snails that used their eyes as maces all the time
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Reminder the Puckle Gun (an early 18th century kind-of-machine-gun) came in two versions - one to shoot Christians with regular bullets, and one to shoot square bullets at turks and other infidels because they'd be more painful or something.

I swear people are fucking lunatics.
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>tfw no Rome 2 family tree
>tfw no latin speaking qt's to acknowledge me and ebar me true sons of Mars and true daughters of Venus.

Song very related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDCsi1mbhE
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>>124976660
A javelin is made for throwing, an axe isn't.

There is literally no good reason to throw an axe, you can't even be sure you hit your target with the right side instead of the blunt

Maybe it would be sort of useful to spook people the first time they see it but that's about it
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>>124976780
Are you saying hundreds of years of accounts from hundreds of thousands of records, documents, pictures and other bits of history all proving soldiers often used throwing weapons, are all lies?

Whats next, the holocaust didnt happen and the British PM is a lizard? Do you also believe in vapor trails being a government conspiracy?

I cant tell if you are actually retarded or trying to save face.
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>>124977015
There are hundreds of years of accounts of knights fighting snails
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>>124976621
Abd ur-Rahman is LYING to you. Abd stole the land of your ancestors! Reclaim it!
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>>124976192
>throw away my weapon

What if you brought an extra one (and likely one you won't mind discarding) precisely to do this? I mean, if it kills some enemies and damages some shields and you use it before engaging, it increases your odds of survival and victory. Why wouldn't you?

There's plenty of historical evidence for the Francesca, by the way.
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>>124976815
We do that today, using bullets that are more likely to maim rather than kill, just so the enemy has to waste resources caring for them.

>>124976940
>Im so retarded please rape my face
You can throw an axe so its head always faces the enemy, its actually a sport.

Please stop being retarded you are making /twg/ look bad.
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>>124976621

The plan is to hit them from two sides with power, weaking the men holding the line with our skirmishers before rushing in with our newly upgraded spear units.

>>124977125

Yes yes, of course we'll have to go to war with him eventually. But it should be an honorable battle between equals, and only commenced after we have divided the peninsula between the only two rulers of honor and virtue.
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>>124977236
Yes, but we don't create a whole extra supply chain just to shoot people who worship someone else because we really want them to feel it, God damn them. It's completely different.
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Yeah they should totally add throwing axes

And then they can add Excalibur and dragons too
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>>124976940
The francisca (or francesca) is a throwing axe used as a weapon during the Early Middle Ages by the Franks, among whom it was a characteristic national weapon at the time of the Merovingians from about 500 to 750 and is known to have been used during the reign of Charlemagne (768–814).[1] Although generally associated with the Franks, it was also used by other Germanic peoples of the period, including the Anglo-Saxons; several examples have been found in England.[2]

The Byzantine historian Procopius (c. 500–565) described the Franks and their use of throwing axes:

...each man carried a sword and shield and an axe. Now the iron head of this weapon was thick and exceedingly sharp on both sides while the wooden handle was very short. And they are accustomed always to throw these axes at one signal in the first charge and thus shatter the shields of the enemy and kill the men.[2]

Procopius makes it clear that the Franks threw their axes immediately before hand to hand combat with the purpose of breaking shields and disrupting the enemy line while possibly wounding or killing an enemy warrior. The weight of the head and length of the haft would allow the axe to be thrown with considerable momentum to an effective range of about 12 m (40 ft). Even if the edge of the blade were not to strike the target the weight of the iron head could cause injury. The francisca also had a psychological effect, in that, on the throwing of the francisca, the enemy might turn and run in the fear that another volley was coming.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisca

not just shut the fuck up
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>>124976780
>>124976192
>>124974317
Francisca

Feel free to educate yoursel
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>>124977387
>>124977384
>it's on wikipedia so it must be true

Please graduate high school before you continue posting.

What kind of garbage school are you attending that your teacher let's you credit "wikipedia" in your sources?
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>>124977248

The enemy foolishly keeps their troops massed within range of our skirmishers, and even their general falls in the hail of death.

I'm surprised, I figured that these guys would be fucking useless compared to my Irishmen who hurled flaming bolts of death, but skirmishers in Charlemagne are balanced quite well. Even 5 shots is enough to do a ton of damage.
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>>124977497
I said Francisca, not wikipedia.

Not my fault you are uneducated.
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>>124920953
gibe christians pls
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>>124977497
>people throw weapons at each other today
>its impossible to believe people threw them in the 700s
Epic troll bro, you almost got me.
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>CA "fixes" provincial food shortages by making them give outrageous public order penalties when they should have removed it
>CA "fixes" corruption by curving it so now on turn 5 of my pre-patch WRE game i make 13K a turn as opposed to 3K
>CA "fixes" the alani unit roster by making them worse huns that don't even get fucking 1 foot bowmen or foot spearman unit
what the fuck are they even doing
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>>124976921
That song is amazing. Literally the theme song of every virgin on 4chan
>dat orgasmic ending as he penetrates a girl for the first time.
I actually laughed. I could see 10th century me laughing at the same thing.

Man the peoples of Europe never changed only the fashion,technology and language did. The same humour and international banter is still around.

Amazing. Bookmarked. I have to listen to the others.
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>>124977497
http://www.regia.org/research/warfare/axe.htm

http://www.militaryfactory.com/ancient-warfare/detail.asp?ancient_id=Francisca

http://www.shrewbows.com/Francisca/index.html

At this point you're only just embarrassing yourself.
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>>124977879
>second link
>literally no sources whatsoever, just made up shit

Yeah I think I'm done here
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The day is ours. The cross of Christ waves above a camp of dead Moors.
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