/rlg/ – Roguelike General

First for the forgotten crawler

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>>124213403
OHAYOOOOO RLG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's play our best today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hey, I said stop the presses!

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Good luck /rlg/. Lets bring home those orbs, amulets and dragon heads! What does the PC even do with all the stuff they steal anyway?

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That was quick!

Still, since I killed the serpent of chaos the game declared me a winner.

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That's one hell of a pickaxe.

>>124213619
You'll be in the next OP you sad sad man. Congratulations.

im an angband scrub trying to get into poscheng. played a bunch of dcss, nethack, and adom but i've never ascended

anything i should change from this for a newbie character? also where should I go after warg quest, pasta says morivant but i feel like im so underleveled trying to get through the wilderness up there (and yes I'm going during the day)

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>>124213619
>>124213821
congrats on the first 4.0 win!

>>124213909
haha oh man, I had forgotten about that one

>>124213676
You didn't draw that yourself, did you?

what do you guys think of dungeons of dredmor

>>124213882
Only thing you need to get to Morivant safely is enough tele scrolls and read tele whenever you get ambushed till you get back to the overworld.

Where can I download MaiDenSnow?

>>124213882
>it carries an ancient foul curse of /rlg/
>it causes you to forget your image
>it causes you to crop poorly
>it is permanently cursed

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>>124211093
ffffucking faggot wizards i swear to trog

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>>124214304
>>124213882
derp

1. https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#zh-CN/en/%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%E5%95%8A%20big%20benis!
2. click speaker icon on left side
3. ???
4. profit

>>124214283
It is a semi-decent babby's first roguelike, but gets really dull, really quickly. Super slow, too.

Aww shit I really hate spider so very much

Terribly tempted to ctrl+q it
Or just skip it and do vaults instead
But I have to ninja the rune from the lerny swamp ending in that case

>>124214536
Now a lerny one

>>124213909
I checked the ladder, apparently I'm also the first winner for 4.0 in general.

meme2powerful

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Okay, maybe they all resist Nether, but can they resist THIS?!

>>124213882
>>124214436
All you need to do is buy ?tele and pop away from ambushes.

>>124214298
2D hentai games /2dhgg/ should have the link in their pasta.

>>124214226
>ASCII Elona
Literally ADOM?

>>124214283
it's alright, some folks here play it and occasionally there are a few active people with a ton of knowledge. The dredmorpedia is really helpful: http://dredmor.stosic.org/

It definitely qualifies as a roguelike acceptable to the thread.

Some folks (myself included) really don't like the click-and-drag and discrete boxes of inventory space that make management much more annoying than in an ascii roguelike, but that's a UX quibble not an anti-roguelike one

>>124214436
yeah that looks like a fine thing to start with. You're going to have some trouble with devices (in this game every device besides potions has some % chance to fail based on your device skill, which in turn is based on int/race/class/personality/some items), so the higher tier devices are going to be forever out of reach and you might sometimes fail to read ?Teleport multiple times in a row which can be deadly.

You should remake with the same build and tell the auto-roller to seek roll-sets that give you at least base 16 in strength and dexterity, and at least 10 base charisma (for the protection against fear) and possibly int. If you input overly-greedy autoroller values it will discard all so just do like 16 16 12 10 10 or something.

other than that, looks good

>>124214794
yeah that's what I meant

>>124214795
nice, haven't seen one of those yet

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>>124214794
You memed your thick meme right on everyone's face.
Good job.

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So what's the long term idea behind Gozag?
Use the Call Merchant option as often as possible before you run of of floors the merchants can spawn on?

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>>124213619
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Good job m8

>>124215231
dumb loliposter

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>>124215393
yes.

>>124215393
>ou run of of floors the merchants can spawn on
That can't happen.

Also potion petition is pretty neat.

>>124215526
REEEEEEEEE

>>124215636
>That can't happen.
Well the wiki words it in a confusing way then.
So call one whenever you don't have anything interesting left in current shops?

>>124215576
I'm fucking dying here.

>>124215576
ahaha omg i'm dying
also it's actually a really nice webm outside of the joke too

>>124215919
It basically just spawns on your feet when you run out of branches (assuming you stand on an empty square).

Also well, I dunno, just keep some money for potion petitions I guess since they buff you pretty good for fight and/or flight.

Does reciting generate as much noise as song of slaying or what.

>>124216072
>assuming you stand on an empty square
so, technically you could wizmode yourself so much gold that you can fill the whole game with shops?

Could you actually make a macro that wizmodes 10 scrolls of acquirement (assuming you can't just wizmode dosh), reads it for gold and then uses gozag's ability?

Would it crash crawl?

>>124216464
Crawl just straight up refuses to generate stuff on a level if there is already too much stuff. Dunno if shops count.

>>124214283
To enjoy it you need to play on max difficulty, with "No time to grind" enabled. Then, press the + key to speed up the ass-slow animations. Maybe game music after a while, depending on your tolerance. With these things added it becomes a decently fun base experience.

The inventory management is incredibly tedious - and the crafting system together with it. I absolutely cannot play any crafting character. And even then, every character can and should do some crafting anyway - there is no escape, at least for a compulsive min/maxer.
It's still a very easy game to win if you know what you're doing - there are a few trees that are absurdly strong. I'd compare it to a MiBe 3 rune in terms of difficulty.

I hear that there are some excellent mods for it that just about fixes game balance, though I have not tried them out for myself. Overall, the game's atmosphere and design is rather lovely - unfortunately, that is decidedly not the base for a quality roguelike. I am, however, rather excited for their next game. (Not a roguelike.)

Is going Jiyva on a stabber good? I don't know what god is good besides maybe dithmenos, ashenzari or makhleb.

>>124217323
It's alright. Kiku also is good. Lugonu, but good luck finding an altar. Nemelex.

>>124217413
Why exactly is Kiku good for that? I always thought he was more for people who wanted to cast a lot of necromancy spells.

What does time breath do on monsters besides make them "seem weaker"?

>>124217746
Makes them wish for a shower

>>124217746
Sounds like it lowers their attributes, senpai

>>124217658
Kiku will help you to deal with things you couldn't to stab - either by throwing zombies at them, dispelling them or hitting them with your stabbing tool that Kiku would gladly brand with pain.

>>124217746
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/8ad050ca753906b96fe820dde9c5c47b2113f964/src/spells1.c#L2737

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>>124213403
Pain brand
Lot of useful books
If you cant stab some shit, summon army of temporary zombies

>>124217658
Kiku is actually a pretty solid overall god if you can cast spells. You think 'Necromancy God, better worship him as a necromancer' but he guarantees you artifact spellbooks that will be mostly redundant for necromancers but definitely worth branching into for most characters.

Necromancy is really a support spell school, a really good one at that, as it gives you access to derived undead for pretty powerful summons, psuedo-channeling with sublimation of blood, healing with regeneration and vampiric draining, and one of the best attack spells for midgame, bolt of draining (though it falls off HARD in extended and against some late game enemies).

His capstone power is a choice between pain branding a weapon to deal extra negative energy damage based on your necromancy skill, which will shred anything without rN and most of a 3-rune game, or the Necronomicon. Necronomicon gives you Necromutation and Death's Door, two of the most insanely strong spells for extended.

He's a perfectly reasonable god for both necromantic dabblers and those who seek the knowledge of life and death.

>>124218176
Nah, that doesn't seem to be it -- I've never seen it do anything obvious.

Looks like it's that do_time stuff later on maybe, which is just a maxhp reduction. It has the right message at least.

>>124217928
>>124218403
>>124218945
Thank you guys, I'll try out Kiku! It does make sense I guess, after all I lost my last game where I got far because stabbing just wasn't enough.

>>124218403
Ment for >>124217658
Idk how i linked op

>>124219087
it has a small chance to do each of a lot of different things, keep your eyes open for the messages. I'm pretty sure my link is correct.

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ok

>>124219392
wew lad

>>124219392
so you're telling me you saw an orc warrior on D6
you saw that said orc warrior also had a quick weapon of electrocution

and yet you engaged him?

>>124219091
Even with Dithmenos and Invis, stabbing stops being able to solve all the problems eventually. My favorite SpEn picked up spells like Summon Mana Viper, Summon Forest, and eventually Controlled Blink and Malign Gateway for mid-late game, and ended up transitioning into Dischord / Singularity(rip) with Malign Gateway to turn hoards of enemies into chaotic implosions of death.

Had so much fun trying it out in a Zig I forgot how deep I was getting. Rest in peace you beautiful bastard.

>>124219392
Did you even have 42 hit points?

>>124219654
This is an important question.

>>124219654
He didn't see me yet so I was hoping I could stab him but then he evoked an amulet of rage, and I tried to go invis because I got stuck but he oneshot me.

>>124219923
Nah I had 40 hp.

>>124220101
>evoked amulet of rage

These are times you blink scroll first, run like hell, ask questions from somewhere very far away.

>>124219392
>>124220101
>SpAs
>going into melee range with orc warrior
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
Use your fucking needles.. Why do people think needles are shit..

>>124220769
Blowgun can carry you to Lair.
Blowgun and Ignite Poison will carry you through Lair.

I had a Merfolk Ice Elementalist get a bunch of needles from a sewer I think and picked up Ignite Poison. Needlestab into Ignite Poison one-shotted Yaks, Black Mambas, most everything.

>>124221059
Blowgun can carry you to end game too with ease

>>124221059
>>124222402
I'd blow her gun if you know what i mean.

>>124222402
Well, with paralysis needles and such as well, they're useful, but there is a point where it can't trivialize enemies alone anymore.

>>124223639
W-what...?

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>>124224706

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>>124224826

Is there a way to rest until all your wands are recharged?

Playing a beholder, I expect good things when I have two whole equipment slots and 11 wand zaps before I'm basically helpless.

>>124226584
Sleep in the inn.

>>124226584
yes, ish. You can make a keymap to rest a "long time" like 9999 turns and make sure your disturb settings interrupt you when a device recharges

Is there a download link for the new ADOM anywhere? For some reason there's nothing on tpb or kat.
Thanks.

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>>124226773
>make sure your disturb settings interrupt you when a device recharges
How do you do that? These are options I have (default, I think) and it doesn't interrupt. None of the ones off seem like they would help either.

>>124227287
I think it's disturb_minor and already on in that case. Test it out?

>>124227484
Nope, I don't get a message when a wand becomes full, resting or not.

>>124227763
ah found it I think
Inscribe the devices with !!

>>124214103
No, a draw friend on one of /v/'s art request threads did. I had a hat put on her, and think it fits /rlg/ rather well considering how she is the posterchild of "I only play real roguelikes." I wish I could draw that well. The linework is simple but its really hard to actually get it that clean looking.

>>124227763
>>124227950
did it work?

>>124227950
It works!

Thanks inscription-wizardry anon.

>>124213676
Who is she?

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>>124228414

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>>124228257
It is very cute.

Do hydras that you ride evolve? Cavalryfag here, I managed to capture a hydra and am trying to see if the fucker will evolve...

So guys, what was your most ridiculous character you ascended with? The ones who became death, destroyer of worlds, the ones to whom archliches, orbs of fire, the horsemen of the apocalypse and whatnot weren't even worthy challengers? What'd they start as and how did they get to reach godhood?

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>DCSS trunk builds haven't updated today
>webtiles is unplayable as ever with my toaster, every input has a delayed reaction of almost a second
>too lazy to compile myself
>can't test out pakellas

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>>124230175
>playing dcss

>>124229490
Up to 11 heads: mikedebo.ca/files/poschengband-spoilers/mon-evol.spo
Bookmark this as long as you're playing a pet class.

MAGIC SUCKS

FFFFUCK SPELLS

>>124230175
Are you sure you're playing on the best webtiles server for your location?

>>124229490
If you have probing you can use it on your mount to see how much more exp it needs. Putting it in a capture ball resets the exp progress so don't do that if you can avoid it.

>>124230929

Playing a Balrog so no innate probing and rod/staff/wand of probing either.

>>124230175
pakellas is sweet I watched grunt testing it a bunch of times

>>124230726
Euclid please

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Cant they remove the venom brand already?
Holy shit.

>>124231226
>µtorrent
>wasting id scroll on weapon arti's
>72 hp at xl:15

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>tfw mercenary card with Xom

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>>124230891
Yeah I even pinged most of the servers and got 100ms to CAO, 87ms to CBO. I'm in Canada.
It's definitely my toaster.
I'll just have to wait for a new build.

>>124231517
>old, addware free version of it
>unwielding distortion weapons
>spriggan with frail mutation

>>124231682
Why would you weild a distort wep anyway?
And i know about frail but you should have around 80 hp

>>124231524
nice

>>124231682
use deluge or qbitorrent or rtorrent please

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???????

>>124231773
>Why would you weild a distort wep anyway?
Because believe it or not, the only other branded weapon I found was a dagger of poison.

>>124231850
Too lazy to switch, although I have qbittorrent bookmarked already.

>>124231773
>not wielding distortion weapons
baka senpai desu

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>>124231534
rip on m8

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>>124231682
qBittorrent is everything good about old utorrent but maintained and open source.

I just use bittorrent. Is that bad? Please respond.

>>124232297
I'm aware, but I'm too lazy to switch.
Although the lack of a search function is beginning to piss me off.

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I just want to go back to town and get more teleport scrolls. Stop ambushing me.

Though I did discover that stone to mud damages earth hounds from using an unidentified wand out of desperation.

>>124232418
Bittorrent is ok

>>124232418
just use qbitorrent (or deluge or rtorrent)

>>124232539
Huh, never knew that.
Good discovery, anon.

>>124232571
Deluge is terrible now.

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>>124232418
>proprietary
>ad-supported
>in bed with mpaa
What do you think?

OK I guess I don't need the Steam version, it's really just optional stuff to make the game easier and some online/community stuff.

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>>124213676

>>124232763
I haven't used it in a bit now, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'terrible'. I still mention to other people in case they don't like qbitorrent and can't into rtorrent.

>>124232901
>mpaa
Good thing I only use it for malaysian cavepaintings.

>>124233108
Who is she???

>>124231226
What, a brand that's useful for most of the game, on a top tier weapon with higher than max enchant and good intrinsics isnt up to snuff for you?

Should the game have added speed, a few resists, wrapped it in your favorite color too and put it outside the dungeon entrance on D1 for you maybe?

I am seriously hating how the shops will no longer buy ID-ed (not *ID-ed*) armor and weapons at decent prices anymore on top of that the *ID* service in Morivant costs THREE times as much as it did in PCB 3.5.0.

Now the only way to make decent money is to be a rune knight but fuck that.

>>124233502
>the *ID* service in Morivant costs THREE times as much as it did in PCB 3.5.0.
3000ish gold? What are you, a 3 charisma half-troll?

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What the fuck is the right command here, I tried all the variations.

>>124234458
Egos are armour
Brands are weapon

>>124234458
mace&&ego, I think.

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>>124213403
Beavis died for this, but I think it was worth it.

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>>124234598
It works either way.
It just that Maces&Flails have some sort of keyword I don't know.

>>124234673
That's it I think, thanks.

>>124234448

I have 16 Charisma.

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Bad enough that webtiles has massive input delay, I have to deal with this shit too.
And then I got distracted by the lag and visual glitching and tabbed an ogre.
This is why I never play webtiles.

>>124233378
Looks like Fuuka from Persona 3.

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>>124218403

So I'm playing a Beastmaster in PCB and mounting my scrawny horse when it kills some dude and evolves into a horse, suddenly I'm at Slow(-2). Why the fuck?

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Finally remembered my webtiles info. Months ago when I started this character an anon asked me to post in /rlg/ if I died, so here's it. I basically just logged in to give the poor fucker some closure.

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uh

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>tfw

So let's say I find 2 blessed scrolls of genocide in Nethack. In a shop. And I don't have the money to pay for them. Can I use one to genocide shopkeepers/humans so I don't have to pay, and the other for whatever purpose I want (removing liches desu)

>>124237984
if you genocide @'s and you are an @ you will also die. If you've poly'd yourself into something you should be alright i believe

i havent played nethack in a long itime though so I'm probably wrong

>>124237984
>Can I use one to genocide shopkeepers
Doubt you can genocide them

>humans
and I'm pretty sure genociding @ kills you regardless of race, so don't do that.

>>124238385
>>124238416
A-alright then. Thanks.

>>124237984
>>124238385
>>124238416
>>124238549
I think it's only safe if you previously genocided the monster, not if you genocide while you are one

>>124238385
If you poly yourself you will die as soon as you turn back into a human, so unless you fancy using an amulet of unchanging for the entire game don't ever genocide @s

any noteworthy undead in the extended worth using undeadhunter for?

>>124240007
Tomb, obviously.

Otherwise, not really.

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>>124214765

Why is it so hard to gather containers at cata? Fucking containers man I swear to god I rather get food poisoning. Food poisoning doesn't have lingering effects after it ends right?

>>124244480
what

>>124237148
How do you 'ride' a pet?
pls no lewd

>>124245634
It's in the 'p'et menu

>>124245780
Damn... must have missed it somehow

>>124244817

Those bottles and shit you need to use in order to heat dirty water.

>>124234706
saved

>>124237148
Poschengband is ASSGUTTER, the game.
http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=2862

Speaking of which, the damage cap for AcElFiCo breath attacks has been reverted to HP/3 max 1600 from HP/3 max 900. Don't get one shotted!

>>124246586
>Speaking of which, the damage cap for AcElFiCo breath attacks has been reverted to HP/3 max 1600 from HP/3 max 900.
Huh. That explains why that hell wyrm was doing so much damage through two sources of fire resistance.

>>124247068
Yup. You really need to triple cover rBase again. Not sure on the logic behind that change. My 500 HP at XL 42 is shaking in his boots at the thought of a GBW instagibbing him through single pip acid resistance. I think Great Ice/Hell/Storm all breathe for their respective caps; Great Bile only breathes for 1333 when at full HP.

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>>124246448
>drink bottled water
>receive bottle
???

Alternatively, find a liquor store and get one of these babies.

>>124247068
>>124248014
based colluin a best cloak again

>>124248517

I don't think I have the MLG skills to infiltrate anything yet. Stores are often in cities right? That's a no go. I even get destroyed at houses by random zombies or dogs etc.

>>124249496
Colluin is great if you get it early on, but later you probably want Jack of Shadows (for ~Tele) or Luthien (because it's actually the best) or simply a solid Dragon Wings.

>>124244480
>Food poisoning doesn't have lingering effects after it ends right?

inb4 you drink dirty water and parasites fuck your shit up

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Okay, so, you can read scrolls quickly as a scrollmaster. You can pick a demigod power to read scrolls faster. With both, you can read them super fast.

Is there any use to this?

>>124252002

How do you know if I have parasites? Does it show up in the effects menu?

>>124252204
Well you will not be having any trouble with the serpent's summons if you get that far!
>Scroll of Genocide: 15 energy
>U
>Scroll preserved
>Scroll of Genocide: 15 energy
>L
>Scroll preserved
>Serpent hasn't even taken another turn yet
I'm curious as to why you chose poseidon though, I don't really see the synergy. Hermes, Hera, Zeus, Apollo, and Hades all seem like better choices if you are going demigod.

Also nimble is generally bad.

>>124252869
let's not forget that scrollmasters also get higher devicepower with the scrolls, and the scroll-versions of Genocide, Mass Genocide, and Destruction are already much higher than the book/staff versions.

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>>124252235
>Does it show up in the effects menu?

You just get random effects depending on which parasite you have (pain, unending thirst/hunger, schizophrenic effects, etc) which means you don't sleep and starve in a day and then you realize that getting antiparasitic drugs is impossible because you don't have cooking 6 and you commit suicide.

>>124252869
>I'm curious as to why you chose poseidon though
Resists and armor reducing sounded good. Maybe they aren't? Why Hera, though? You don't really have anything to use clear mind with.

>nimble
Ah, mostly for flavor. The personalities seem mostly irrelevant which is probably why I'm a bad player.

>>124253180
Still better than tetanus or the flu senpai desu

>>124252869
What's wrong with a nimble demigodess? My penis thinks its an excellent combination?

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>magic harp

>>124253306
I think of Poseidon as more of a melee type character, you're going to be blasting with wands and preserving does cost mana so it could come up. The others are all better though.

>Nimble
No, wait, I was thinking of Shrewd. Shrewd is very bad. Nimble has a lower life rating modifier, but good skills, so it's pretty good.

Most important thing personalities give is skill bonuses, and the Lucky bonus. Nimble, fearless, lucky, hasty (for hack n slash characters usually), combat, and sexy are all good. Lucky is the best non-munchkin personality since it gives you great skill boosts and a drop bonus.

>>124254340
>you're going to be blasting with wands and preserving does cost mana so it could come up.
Yeah, but I can only preserve scrolls, right? That's what the ~x says anyway.

>lucky
Lucky has a big downside: you can't be a cute girl.

>>124254769
Correct.
Still, I think the other options (maybe not Hera) are better than Poseidon. It's up to you though. I was just wondering why you took it.

>Lucky has a big downside
Well Sexy is quite good too. It's just difficult.

>>124254769
Amen brother.

>identify device works on scrolls and potions
Well, now I feel dumb.

Only took me to level 14 to discover this.

>>124255537
I'm level 42 on my device master and I only know that because you posted it.

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Oh yes.

Getting resistance is hard though.

>>124256254
I wish upon you many fine feanorian boots.

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The hunt begins


Lancelot almost ripped me to shreds.

Can't be fucked diving labyrinth right now, but I'm pretty sure I can take out pendragon after I get some decent armor.


>>124256761
This is going to be the run where I find the vorpal blade and tonberry gloves

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>>124257238
Gahahaha

>>124257393
it's still worth using in combat
I don't think you can't get both stun and cyberdemons from the same AFC trigger at once. Just don't rest with that on. Assuming you're not a caster of course.

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>>124257738
I don't trust myself with AFC items due to the absolutely terrible times I've had with blood curses.

i was checking out the autodestroyer but im high af and was way too overwhelmed by it but now it's just acting with these generated default settings. how do i turn it off?

i found the editor help file but it just talks about getting it set up and i don't want to deal with reading that right now

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WHY DIDN'T YOU CAST PROTECTION YOU CUNT

>>124258650
Make a copy of this file.
Then open the original in a text editor.
Then delete all the text in it.
Replace it with the copy when you are ready to actually learn to use autodestroyer.

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>>124258902
Forget to post your image and post it in a reply.

>>124258902
thanks

>>124214283
Dredmor is a full roguelike in the classic style and as such welcome in the thread. It's even okay enough to be worth beating exactly once on the top difficulty settings.

It's just not a very good game, so we don't end up talking about it much.

>>124224563
>there is a point where it can't trivialize enemies alone anymore.
Funfact: curare works on orb guardians.

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>>124258794

>>124220769

Because they are. Same with evocables but if I have to compare between these two shits: Evoc > Blowing.

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Yo, what gives? I'm on the final quest to kill those 2 mages and the sun paladin shows up, except she hates my bones and wants to kill me. I thought she was supposed to help me out?

>>124258386
at least show what it does to your damage

my dex and con are yellow, which i assume means they've been drained. if the shops don't have potions of restore dex/con am i just out of luck for now?

>>124261084
Green + in Morivant/Telmora/Angwil has a Restoration service.
This is in the pasta.

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>>124260908
>>124261084
Go to morivant and go to the green '+' shop to restore stats.

>>124261209
That damage is pretty good for level 25 even without the mask.
Hopefully it doesn't scale off horribly like the other animal races.

>>124261328
I have one more evolutionary stage yet, as long as the damage breaks 800+ by lv50 I think I'll be fine. That's the usual late-game warrior character, isn't it?

>>124261518
Yeah. Take the serpent's HP and divide it by your damage, then multiply it by your hit chance against 175 AC. That's how many turns of bumping it will take to kill the serpent.

>>124261708
divide it by your damage multiplied by your hit chance*

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>>124260468
Whatever. She didn't have anything to go back to anyway.

>>124261953
baka senpai desu

>>124261953
>>124260468
Did you fail the timer in the charred scar zone or?

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>>124262540
>>124262486
Oh right. Yeah, I wasn't fast enough to mess with those guys. I didn't have anyways to boost my speed to get down there. It seems I'm stuck in the east with a bunch of orcs since sunwall is destroyed. Oh well, I guess Rattlebones gets to shoot orcs for all eternity.

>>124262985
Congratulations on your win anyway.

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>>124262985
Good job, rattlebutt. Your contribution to the skellington cause is admirable.

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I spent hours failing to build crawl from source only to realize the problem was likely my old version of git/mingw. Installed a fresh copy, compiled crawl.
All just to try Pakellas.

And now I see that the trunk page has finally updated and the build I made is already out of date. Just end my life already.

>>124263668
>Pakellas
What's this? I haven't followed roguelikes in a few months.

>>124263750
New god that just got added to DCSS trunk.
>Pakellas the Inventive, god of devices; new for 0.18. Blocks MP regeneration and hates channeling; instead you get access to MP on kills, quick charge, device surge, and gifts of evokables. At 6*, you also get a one-off supercharge of a wand or rod.

>pakellas reasons
>You look like this: http://i.imgur.com/iL7ef.jpg
>You feel a huge surge of power! The burst of metal fragments hits the greater mummy. x13 You destroy the greater mummy!
>x - a supercharged wand of heal wounds (13)
>Pakellas grants you a gift! You see here a rod of shadows.
>A friendly spark wasp (summoned)
>Your juggernaut hits the vault warden!!!! The vault warden dies!
> Your weirdsting beast hits the orb of fire!! The orb of fire dies!

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>>124263668

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>>124263260
>>124263285
http://pastebin.com/Faq41Ak0
Thanks guys. I don't know if anyone is interesting in Tome4 dumps, but I figure I'd link one anyway. Super lazy that Sunwall isn't actually destroyed.

Am I the only one who recognizes that ToMe is objectively better than NetHack, but still prefers NetHack?

>>124264153
lowtest betakek

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you think you're going to firestorm me, cerebov?
think again

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>>124264138
I'd say that that is certainly a pretty... unique perspective.

>>124264138
I mostly feel the same way, yes.

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Very funny, game.

Don't have a light slot.

goddammit pcb don't make me kill hobbes

>>124264478
:'(

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>>124264414
But at least I got my favorite early-game armor.

>>124264478
He killed Calvin, and he'l kill you too.

what are generally good weapon brands in DCSS?

>>124264560
speed, slicing, holy wrath, chaos, vampiric

>>124264560
Nearly all of them. It really depends on what you're wielding and what stage of the game you're in.

>>124264683
let's say any 1h weapon that isn't short blades and we're talking late game

also which one is good for stabbing since we're going specific

>>124264791
The one you have which deals the most damage.

>>124264880
hur dur

>>124263881
>Blocks MP regeneration and hates channeling;
Good, good, let the FUCKMAGIC flow throug-

>instead you get access to MP on kills,
New-new-vehumet pls go

>>124264791
It depends on what you're wielding still. For a QB, elec or pain. If you're going for 3 runes, elec/pain/vamp. If you're investing you weapon skill higher than what is required for min delay, something like vorpal/freezing/fire may do more damage than elec. Otherwise, holy.

>>124264560

All of them. There's always a reliable way to grind enchant weapons/armors anyway at midgame.

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My first artifact boots have some damn good resists.

how does the fear mechanic work in pcb? is it the same for the PC and mobs?

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>>124265224
I also noticed that resistances seem a little nerfed. How does this affect the late-game where everything breathes **kill fuck you**?

>>124264981
This is the only answer to "what weapon should I use in DCSS."
You dump your character.
You load it up in wizmode.
You import the dump's stats.
You spawn the weapons you have access to.
You fsim against several targets.
You account for the additional effects of AM and Vamp if at all.
Then you use the one which does the most damage.
Theoreticals in Crawl are retarded. The only way you can learn weapon choice is either by experience or fsimming since your characters stats will always influence the damage. Asking for advice on which weapon or brand to use is idiotic without a full dump and even then the only way to give an accurate answer would be to fucking fsim it yourself..

>>124265416
Why are you playing as a girl? Are you a girl?

>>124265436
thanks for clarifying this issue, I learn something about this procedurally generated death dungeon simulator every day in /rlg/!

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>Pakellas, god of dragon dildo collection

>>124265109
He's nerd trog apparently. Screw casting spells, take this stick and blast away nigga.

also do i have to go back to the outpost to hand in wanted corpses

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>>124265587
Giant spiders are more suited to being female, given that female spiders are generally far more gluttonous, large and aggressive than their male counterparts.

>>124265416
There's thoughts that the damages have been rescaled, but looking at the damage caps for high element breaths, they all seem the same as before. Still, high breaths only cap at 800 tops, so 2 resists will put that down to 480. Base breaths (other than poison) cap at 1600, so with 3 pips, that's 448 and with 4 pips 400. It makes high res less good, certainly. I'm more worried about the spells which deal high damage. Logrus ball, darkness storm, and nether ball are more terrifying than ever.

>>124265587
Female spiders are bigger than males. You should play as females anyway because they have bigger skeletons

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>>124265587
we're all little girls etc etc

>>124265436
Or you could pick the one with heavier base damage and just, like, play game because one of DCSS' specific design goals is that such intricate minmaxing shouldn't be necessary -- and it really isn't.

As long as you're skilling properly and playing with half decent tactics you don't need to resort to wizmode tests to win game.

Here's a good shorthand for weapon selection:
1) Is it a weapon for which your character has already trained skill?
2) Is its base damage + slaying higher than the weapon your character currently has equipped?

If yes to both, equip new thing and throw your old thing in lava.

Also maybe keep around one staff of air if you find it for an emergency rElec+ swap.

That's it. What I've just written is, frankly, more intricate than you even need to get to streak win DCSS.

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>>124265694
yes

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>>124265819
Oh, boy. Can't wait to get fucked by elf shadowdudes.

>>124265853

reminds me of forcing locks in baldur's gate

>>124265930
Yes. My plan for Jack of Shadows is to abandon the level immediately.

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>>124265985
And then there's fenghuangs.

>>124265843
As long as people stop asking this question I don't care how they figure it out, but with the wealth of info there is on crawl, they should be able to figure it out themselves.

>>124265725
Yeah sure it's all fine and dandy until you realize how awful aggravation is.

>>124266063
Light and dark breath caps are both still 400. As long as you have +light and +++fire you should be okay. Fenghuangs were always nasty cunts, because often you would leave your light resist open in favour of other shit and 8 million disenchanting charge draining melee attacks on a high AC 4000 hp body are bullshit.

>>124266216
His character is mighty though.

is the cursed debuff just telling me that my equipment is cursed, or is it a seperate thing

>>124266591
yeah

>>124266369
The good thing about fengufangufungu I that they at least can be teleported easily.

Honestly I think we should rewrite poscheng's late enemies completely if we want people actually winning the game. The way I see it the only way you can kill the serpent is if you can cast *healing* every single turn with +40 speed and wraithform active to keep yourself from dying between every cast.
That's terrible game design.

Also apparently the ladder says I'm a loser because I died after killing JJJ and haven't quitted. Fuck the ladder.

what do i need to resist all these fucking paladins cursing me

>>124266835
I too think the end-game should be rewritten, though more because it's tedious and quite a bit boring (oh boy, time to grind arena for *healing*!)

>>124266924
The late-game quests need a redux too. Nobody does them because they're both extremely deadly and without decent reward.

>FoFi can now start with quarterstaffs
Is there any reason to?

>>124214283
desu it's my favourite roguelike just on style alone

>>124266924
Yeah, honestly the most simple solution would be to rise the shopcaps and add a potion shop that sells *healing* and healing for a preposterous amount of money. I remember Chris -chan saying he couldn't raise the caps due to engine limitations but nothing stops him from putting a potion shop in Zul that sells healing rods/staves/potions. If you're worried about trivializing the game (because that's the main reason you don't add easy to access means of healing in permadeath games) just make it expensive as fuck. By the time you hit level 30you have a shitton of gold you do not need and end up gambling for a chance of healing in morivant. Fuck that.

>>124260081
>evocables are shit
you're shit

I mean honestly the lack of *healing* penalizes every single class that cannot heal itself and those are either angels with their whopping +325% XP penalty or monks/priests of life.

Otherwise you're stuck in grindsemane.

>>124260081
Needles really are good enough to carry win Crawl with nothing else but fists. You should try using them.

>>124267352
Take it easy, anon.

>>124267252
With this you'd just end up with money grinding, which is only marginally less of a hassle. It would also make rune-knights even more broken since they have what is pretty much infinite money generation.

I can't think of any good solutions, only some half-baked ideas like guaranteeing *healing* in late-game vaults (along with making vaults more common and diverse).

>>124267137
>You have killed this incredibly strong level 70 unique surrounded by his 90 minions!
>have a potion of augmentation. Hey, we're poor people.
Worst town ever
Remove Telmora

>>124267548
>Needles really are good enough to carry win Crawl with nothing else but fists.
You can also win Crawl with nothing else but fists without needles.

Sounds like all the PCB shitposters finally realize how terrible their game is after actually playing it

>>124267679
You know what I meant.

>>124267648
I think that even if *healing* costs 30 K that would mean spending 1 million to get 30 potions, which are honestly enough for the serpent with almost any character.
And you get to 1 million dosh without even grinding in the endgame.

>>124267679
Remove blowguns mummy race war now

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>>124267763
>30 K
I thought you were meaning something ridiculous like 200,000 each.

But 30K is pocket change. You can get that much from killing a wyrm and selling the loot.

Then there's the problem of trivializing the end-game with infinite healing, since there's little sense of danger when you can guzzle however many *healing* you want. You'd only be in danger if you went full retard in the middle of a pack of cyberdemons.

>>124265930
>Morgana Le Fay resists
>You bite.
lewd

>>124268210
Hot giant spider on unseelie action.

>>124268151
When you think about it potion gambling in 10 K, but you got spend something like 20 million $$$ to get about 30/40 *healing* and you get some good stat pots from that too.

So it's either exploiting the game with THE MEMES JACK or grinding really fucking hard. Either way, it's bad gameplay.

Actually 200 K would be a more sensible amount of dosh

>>124268363
Unfortunately I can offer no solutions, hopefully someone raises the whole issue of the late-game with Chris.

The early and middle game are great (struggling to get rBase and running from assblasting uniques), but the late-game is definitely lacking.

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;_;

>>124267548

Needles are too situational and rare to boot so they're objectively shit. Resorting to needles for killing hard things like Juggernauts because reasons means you're doing something terribly wrong with your build and it's obviously putting exp to your throwing instead of allotting it to your more useful damage skills.

>>124268697
Curare needles need no throwing though???

>>124268812
They still need it to hit

>>124268812

Too rare. I thought you'd at least mention sleeping needles or paralysis needle because they're all rare too.

>>124269125
they get accuracy from your 20 fighting

>>124269125
Blowguns have absurdly high chance to hit at 0 Throwing, and it's not like juggs are evasive.
>>124269176
>thought you'd at least mention sleeping needles or paralysis needle
I pretty much never use those because I don't train Throwing. Curare generates in every game, in my experience, anyway. Saying "if you use blowguns to help fighting juggs your build is bad" is a completely retarded statement.

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Fucking cunt

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>>124269310
Die

>>124269252
Sucha mucha more idea? How sideways? Fuck

>>124269252

Curares only need to consecutively miss twice/thrice to justify their shittiness on a non-Throwing build char. It only works for a few times if lucky so curare's rarity is not compensated. It's only justified if you're focused on a Throwing build accompanied with a little melee/rng skill especially stabbing.

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It seems Shelob is no longer the lord of spiders.

Perhaps the position was given to one of the many late-game spider uniques. Probably ungoliant.


Is there a way to permanently highlight your character tile? Being a brown spider in a hoard of brown spiders makes spotting your character difficult.

>>124268673
hahahahaaha

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>124269825
This is dumb. You have a great chance to apply a slowness effect without any MR checks (and some nice impact damage), but yeah, it's a bad idea because it possibly can miss (it probably won't, but it can!). Better just hold tab, that's a good tactic.

>>124268673
witnessed

>>124269860
>Is there a way to permanently highlight your character tile?
probably in options(enter) set options (enter again). It's probably in map screen options.

Done with Daikara and I've only seen two escorts.

;_;

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>>124270139
Thank you very much.

Not going to lose my @ inside a warm of spiders now.

Wait, you can play as a cyberdemon now?

Is this new? I don't remember it at all.

>>124270326
Cyberdemon has always been a thing.

They're pretty bland in my opinion. I think they should be given more interesting powers.

>>124270029
>>124270095
i deserve this

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Awww sheeeeeit.
This might be a good run.

>>124271127
>deep dorf
how could it ever be a bad run when you have infinite healing, magic mapping and damage reduction?

>>124271186
>infinite
its only like 180 charges over a 15rune run

>>124271186
>infinite healing
Let's see about that. I hope this god is a good as he sounds.

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>>124271254
>only like 180 charges

Did you seriously just say that?

>>124271281
>DD of pakellas
HIDE YO WIFE
HIDE YO KIDS

That's going to be the new MiBe

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IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>supercharged wand of heal wounds
Does it heal like 50 hp or something

>>124271290
burns you terribly!

>>124270084

It's a dumb thing to rely on "limited" luck when you can just wreck it normally with a proper damage build. Even Hex spells are okay even if they don't work immediately/never work on every dudes even at the highest levels. At least they're pretty much unlimited unlike curares so you can try until you die.

okay now you literally have infinite wand charges with pakellas and this is insane with a deep dwarf because you can use a single MP to get one charge

>>124269860
oh man that maybe means it's Ungoliant now...

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I'm so bad desu! How did I go down the stairs of a random subway out of curiosity only to get the entrance closed? And when I got back up on some faraway exit there's some bunch of mummies and blobs!

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Why would I play a DD of something other than Pakellas ever again?

>>124272139
Most economic wand recharges come at full MP, but depending on how bad the cost is (and how valueable each charge), you might also spam it at low MP.

>>124272429

When you realize that Evocables are shit which is never.

>>124272514
We'll see about that.
Still haven't played around with his ubercharging ability.

I'm literally tabbing more with pakistan than with trog-chan

>>124272780
>implying trog is a grill

>>124273202
>-chan means girl
are you retarded or you're doing it on purpose

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>another god with strategic costs that gives you absolutely insane tactical options in exchange

>>124273247
Sadly these days there are too many people here that don't even know this is an imageboard for weeaboos.

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>>124273548

>being a weaboo is related to being ignorant on when to use -chan.

Trog is not a he or a she. Trog's a shit

i faulted
stoopid tiredness y u do dis

>>124273271
Each new god released is an indirect nerf to Demigods

Demigods should have Human aptitudes

>>124274447
Same.
I keep throwing my fucking staves Brogue why

>>124274490

Demigod play is just a test of your atheism anon. Gods were never a requirement to 15rune win.

>>124271359
DDBe was already the strongest combo after CeBe.

>>124274490
>>124274895
Friendly reminder that demigod wins do not count as godless.

>>124275048

And HuFis with a renounced God endgame counts as godless?

>>124275192
No. Non-CK wins don't count as xom either.

>>124275246

Cheatable

>>124275497
How so? The only person you'd be cheating is yourself.

>>124275547

More like Demigod plays are a foolproof way to prove that you can atheism.

>>124275689
Demigods are compensated for being unable to worship a god so they can't be said to have left their god slot empty.

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>Gee bill, how come your god lets you have two rods of destruction?
When will I be allowed to duel wield them? Fucking crawl devs never want me to have fun.
But seriously, based Pakellas. This is fucking great.

>>124271127
>>124271470
Dont fuck this shit up nigga

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/rlg/ opinion on Caves of Qud?

worth purchasing on Steam?

>>124276314
There was a talk about this a week ago i believe, they said its kind of shit

>>124275749

>so they can't be said to have left their god slot empty

Their god slot is indeed empty. I think you'd feel enlightened if you thought that it's exactly like a Spriggan's/Centaur's speed bonus at a cost. It's a trait.

>>124276474
It's precisely because it's like the centaur's speed bonus at a cost that it doesn't count as a godless win. Does a formicid win count as a no teleportation win despite the race being designed around having stasis?

>>124276314
>roguelike worth purchasing