/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

REMOVE VERMIN

I identify as kosm, check my privilege

nth for epicnamebro is a great one and vaati is a vermin.

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>that annalise v. yharnam maria's bloodline discussion

Fuck me I automatically assumed she was related to vileblood queen, but reading that shit I don't know now.

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>>124033626

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Who /alfred/ here?

What stats are the BEST Alfred build?

Reminder:
FILTER ALL TRIPFAGS
This includes, but not limited to:
>Lucifer
>Kobra
>Nora

NO MERCY FOR THE ELDERLY

What triggers Gehrman to appear in the side garden?

>>124033712
nth for fuck off to /v/ with your eceleb shit jr

>>124033434
If some Jap discovered it then why is there no youtube or nico video about it?

Here is a video from 2013 showcasing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td-C0ytGj4s

FUCK YOU FROMSOFT. DON'T TEASE US WITH PATCHES AND LEAVE THE SERVERS DEAD. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?! FUCKING JAPS WON'T EVEN MAKE HONEST OR TIMELY STATEMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT.

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>Already Dead was change to Already dead

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>that gasping scream the doll makes when you kill her

I'm sorry bb, I'm so sorry. I just need to know this bolt whirligig is worth it

>>124033726
Why not both? She uses both vileblood and pthumerian techniques in the fight

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>Thanks for all the comments folks, but I think for me it all kind of boils down to this:

>1. I don’t want to play the NG+ version of the DLC, because that’s not the difficulty I played the whole rest of the game in.

>2. I don’t want to start a new game and grind for hours upon hours to get to a level where I can enjoy the DLC

>I don’t see why me playing the DLC I bought with the character I’ve made at the difficulty I’m accustomed to isn’t an option and, moreover, why that isn’t made explicitly clear in the PlayStation Store before purchasing the DLC.

should the DLC had been more accessible?

>>124033635
shields????????

>>124033483
>>124033540
We can bend the rules for twop in a hypothetical situation. Twop only effects encumbrance because it's the only way they could get it to work in gameplay, but in actuality it's just "magic that restricts movement."

>>124033789
>not anonymizing everyone

Sometimes I remember that tripfags/namefags exist, and wonder how they feel when I call them anon. It makes me smile.

>Amy arm with flat arcane gems
Viable? BL 60

>>124033892
Kill yourself and your family. Seriously go to /v/ if you're bored

>>124033851
pls tell me it's not true

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Brador's set makes me wish there were more pieces of armor made out of beasts
Like if you could get a cape made from BLB's hood, or a fur set from a Darkest that occasionally lit up with little sparks when you rolled or something

>>124033953
I have no answer to your question anon but amy arm is a riot

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>download patch
>"Oh sweet, maybe the servers are back online!"
>still down

I just want to help my fellow hunters and collect vermin.

Is upgrading my pistol / blunderbuss a waste? I never seem to need the damage, as they're mainly used for parries.

>>124033851
deepest lore

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>>124033892
>Buy DLC to play more of game
>Get mad when you have to play the game to get to the DLC

Who is this guy and why do you care by the way?

>>124033892
that guy is an idiot but you should have the option to play DLC for the FIRST time in NG like it's intended

>>124033834
>everything must be captured
Like I say. There is literally no way to tell. That is the recording that became known. Unless you're fluent in Jap and have combed through every and all possible sources.

>>124033887
What vileblood techniques does she use?

She has hunter bone speed, and she empowers a blade with her blood (specifically a blade not meant for blood empowering). Is her moveset tied to the vilebloods?

Or are you perhaps assuming that something she does is a vileblood technique without basis?

>>124033980
>I'm a well-adjusted human being

take a deep breath my man.

>>124034017
Would be fucking cool actually, you could craft them at the crafting bench

>>124033726
If we had a proper timeline of events it'd be a much easier matter to settle. The city is named after the Pthumerian queen and I can't imagine the city being all that young so it's a hell of a lot of time to keep track of distant relatives across. It's just so much easier to link Maria and Cainhurst than it is Maria and Pthumeru, especially given all of the direct mentions of Cainhurst, the undead queen, the Chikage, etc..

Dreams are different planes, or layers of reality. The Hunter's Nightmare is one layer where yharnam intersects, The game world is another, and the world you wake up in the submit to gehrman ending is the third, real layer. You're put under when you receive blood ministration, and wake up in dream-yharnam, where everything's gone haywire from the mensis ritual.

The reason the Good Hunter can't die is because dying in a dream just means waking up, but forgetting the dream. When you die, you wake up in the Hunter's dream, because it's within the hunter's dream that you enter dream yharnam. It's some E.A. Poe dream-within-a-dream shit.
This is why you lose your blood echoes. They're explicitly stated to be the memories, thoughts and feelings of the living that lingers in their blood after death. You lose them when you die because you 'forget' when you're forcefully sent to reawaken in the hunters dream. Submitting to death in the hunter's dream is how you finally wake up and return to the real world.

The whole game is a planar journey through collapsing meta-phenomenological realms of mind. You're compelled to stop the Mensis ritual because it's dangerously degenerating the boundaries between dream and reality. The ending deliberately leaves you wondering how much of what you experienced actually happened in real yharnam, because you can't be sure how much of it was exclusive to the dream.

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>>124033858
>killing the only person who loves you

>>124033705
>>124033450
>>124033372
>>124033313
Wires, not eyes. It'd be some kind of anti-Mythos shielding if it were ingame. I'm an actual goddamn cyborg now and I can't even play online, what the fuck.

>>124034131
I frequent Spades' stream, and that motherfucker is a weeb supreme. He dickrides Jap players like they are gods among men, and even he would admit that Peeve discovered it. It's common knowledge.

>>124034148
I will as soon as you kill your family and then yourself. Stream it so I know when to do it my man

There's still a patch on the way to change something about Chalice Dungeons right?
I remember hearing something about that and how it was separate from the DLC but I'm not sure if it already happened and I just missed it

>>124034248
>only person
Gascoigne's daughter said she loved me.
;_;

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>>124034043
Fear not fellow Confederate! We will soon be able to assist our fellow hunters and crush vermin beneath our heel.

>>124033892
>I don't want to play the game I bought
>I'm terrible at video games
>>124034107
You do have the option, make a new character. If you have literally only one character in this game you should not be posting here

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>>124034309
are you gonna bark all day?

>>124033892
The DLC is perfectly accessible, if not too easy. I'm still bummed out ludwig and orphan only took me one try on NG+ at 98. I would feel almost robbed if every other facet of the DLC wasn't fantastic.

>>124034248
Church dweller loves you
I killed him too because I'm an arcane build and need dat Odeon

So what bosses have Old Hunters before them? I haven't played through the base game since the dlc was released.

>>124034043
>ludwigs
But anon, you are the vermin

>>124034443
How do I get this gesture?

>>124034146
But she threw away the Rakuyo yes? What blade could she be using then?

>>124034536
Wait, the beggar drops an Oedon rune? How strong is it?

>>124034519
As long as you keep responding my man

>>124034536
>Odeon
there are no music halls in yharnam, anon

>>124034627
crush vermin and talk to valtr

>>124034703
I live for this shit.

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>>124033980
The Madman

>>124034443
I hope so. I just want to make Valtr proud.

>>124034579
I was pancaking dudes with the R2. Sue me.

>>124034293
What's common knowledge to a couple of ecelebs that dickride certain players? The point is silly either way. It's silly to assume the first guy to ever do it was peeves, it's silly to get mad at peeves for coining it.
Now, if you want to say "coined," rather than discovered, than yeah, that's common knowledge and fair game. That may sound pedantic, but there you have it.

>>124034627
Join the League, crush three vermin, talk to Valtr.

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>defeating Logarius on my own at SL4
He was fucking off and my bullets were basically not hitting him, so that was shit, but finally just started dodging around him and punishing his mistakes.

>>124034525
>Not beating the DLC at BL4 at NG7

You dishonor your family Kobra-San

>"Hunter weapon wielded by Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower. A trick sword originated in the same country as the Cainhurst Chikage, only this sword feeds not off blood, but instead demands great dexterity. Lady Maria was fond of this aspect of the Rakuyo, as she frowned upon blood blades, despite being a distant relative 1 of the queen. One day, she abandoned her beloved Rakuyo, casting it into a dark well, when she could stomach it no longer."


The more I read it, the more I can see it. The chikage was referenced for its relation to the rakuyo and the example of a blade powered by blood. There is no literal (literal literal, mind you) way to read this as Maria disliking the cainhurst aspect.

Also undead versus undying was pretty damning.

I should look back over some things I take for granted about the lore, when it comes to /bbg/ assumptions are all over the shop.

>>124034525
>playing the dlc at bl98.
>soulbrant tier fgt confirmed.

>>124034753
>>124034830
nice

What did the patch change

>>124034842
Don't get me wrong, that would be an incredible challenge, but I'm no masochist

>>124034786
>taking a picture of your screen

Why.

>>124034575
The DLC is unlocked with the defeat of Vicar Amelia.
That means you can go Cleric Beast(optional) -> Gascoigne->buy 10k key-> Amelia OR Cleric Beast(optional) -> Gascoigne -> Blood-starved Beast -> Amelia

If you're rusty I'd recommend just taking the normal path through as well as hitting up Hemwick before the DLC so you at least have a +6 weapon.

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>>124034786
y

>>124034836
Congratulations. You're halfway there anon.

That is unless you plan to do the chalice dungeons

>>124034836

Good stuff, brother.

You can still parry him when does that charge attack from the sky, but in every other case your bullets will deflect off after he does that charge up.

>>124034786
why

>>124034881
Leave, /v/ermin.

>>124034947
No, I've ran through the DLC already. I just haven't ran through the game since the patch or the DLC came out. I'm asking what base game bosses have Old Hunter summons in front of them.

>>124034936
It's ok. I already started my run on just NG and I've died 10 times to rape horse before killing him

Nothing will be worse than Isz Ebrietas though

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>>124034786
>mfw seeing that for the first time today

>>124035024
Yeah, I caught him a couple times in the air but he didn't stagger, just took a minuscule amount of damage. Kinda what I meant by my bullets fucking off.

>>124034960
I'm good. I'm already not looking forward to normal Ebrietas.

I wish Rakuyo was two sabres rather than a sabre and a knife. I also fucking hate the shit transform sound effect compared to Maria's

>>124034870
The disdain for blood weapons implies a disdain for Cainhurst, anon.
If she's a distant relative of the queen, then she has royal blood
Royal blood, especially a relative of the vileblood line means strong bloodtinge (see: the noble scion starter class)
Therefore a disdain for blood blades means a disdain for using her royal, cainhurst blood in battle.

She's rejecting who she is and her affiliation with the cainhurst nobles by eschewing the natural gifts of her blood for a pure skill weapon.

You can read it as Maria disliking Cainhurst, or simply Maria disliking the fact that she's of Cainhurst lineage. Choosing to forge her destiny through hard work and ability rather than latent talent of a corrupt and sinister lineage - which, then, makes her involvement with the church and the research hall all the more ironic.

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>go to the forest to take care of some unfinished business
>Madara Uchiha has his back to me
>remember a webum that an anon posted on getting him killed by taking the elevator with him after me
>decide to do it
>do the charge and parry
>haul ass to the elevator
>ELEVATOR NOT THERE
>Pull lever and roll like a faggot around Madara until it arrives
>gets there
>roll onto the elevator
>roll-spam off the elevator
>fall to my death
>he follows me anyways, killing himself and still giving me his weapon as my body fades away

>>124034146
She's shooting with the Evelyn, uses a Blade specifically the opposite of what she despised that her peers are using. In fact, since we have no idea how the Vilebloods fight aside from Chikage and Evelyn and we know they powered up from the same forbidden blood that Queen Analise used to turn into an immortal undead queen trying to bear a child of blood aka Queen Yahrnam, we can assume that they have lesser powers like blood blades.

>>124035329
It's for the best. It'll save you a lot of tears

Remember dodge back then left twice and wear all the blunt defense you can get

Shadows of Yharnam were by far the hardest boss for me on my first playthrough, but after farming those pigs in Mergo's loft and clearing those first three out so many times I can do that entire fight without taking a single hit pretty consistently now.

>>124035479
>madara uchiha
kek.

Do I need ps+ for chalice dungeons? Like specific glyphs for farming

>>124035169
Isz Ebritas
What's your strategy for her friendo and what's your build
Not trying to say gitgutXD, it's just that I've run Isz so many times I can kill her in under a minute while fapping with the other hand

>>124035563
>Shadows of Yharnam were by far the hardest boss for me on my first playthrough
How?
They're 'split us up on the pillar and parryspam the melee one to death:' the boss.

>>124035479
>having to cheese the Madara guy
He's one of the easiest NPC hunters I've fought, anon.

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>"The iron helm is passed down down among masters of the League. Valtr had in fact lost the ability to see Vermin long ago."

What did she mean by this?

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>>124035563
Use a shaman bone blade for easiest mode

>>124035660
I've already killed her but it was a grueling process of figuring out to dodge the charge and baiting her head slams

>>124035665
Dealing with three at once, a weak weapon, no idea how to properly parry, being too cautious and then getting fucked up by snake arms attacks.

>>124035690
I've never fought him before. He's new to me.

And I didn't much care about fighting him fair.
He has snakes for god sakes.

Can someone post the patch notes?

>>124035932
>not shooting him when he uses the whistle so he staggers and is devoured by his own snek

>>124035992

Bloodstone Chunks lowered to 10 Insights at the Insight Vendor

Respec Item added for 30 Insights at the Insight Vendor

What the fuck is invading in this game? Can you seriously only invade people where there are bell maidens, making the nightmare the only place in the entire game? Can i not be level 40 and invade old yharnam what the shit is this game

>>124034525
>things that never happened

>>124036105
A bell maiden spawns whenever someone summons a cooperator.

>>124036105
You can but you'll be facing 3 people to balance out against your +10 weapons with chalice gems.

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>>124036085

>>124036135
Care to make a wager on that anon?

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So i did some testing with kos parasite on doll

R1= 479 dmg
R2= 592 dmg
L2= 1454 dmg

>>124035467
Too many people assume that anything blood is vileblood, when everything is about blood in bloodborne. All vilebloods did was steal a bit of blood that the church/burgerworth didn't like.

The disdain for blood weapons in no way implies a disdain for cainhurst. I can see why you'd think that. I'd think that. I did think that. They use the chikage as an example. But looking back at it, the chikage is there in the description for the rakuyo's sake. Not cainhurst's. They both originated from the same country. Maria frowns upon blood weapons. She'd likely frown upon the bloodletter.

Noble scion is not related to vileblood, at all. There is no real evidence for a vilebloods having more bloodtinge than someone else. Their weapons that are tinge-intensive, chikage and evelyn, are foreign made and not made specially for vilebloods.

>>124036314
Literally no one cares, kobra. You don't matter, you only post with a trip to pretend you matter, and despite all your flailing you're really only another version of lucy.

is lead elixir useful for anything

>>124036105
>Can you seriously only invade people where there are bell maidens
You can invade lone people a madien just spawns.

>>124035828
The eye of a blooddrunk hunter was probably his. He most likely started to kill beasts for the fun of it

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>>124035932
>that rhyme

>>124036476
>that smug

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>>124036350

R1= 474 dmg
R2= 587 dmg
L2= 1440 dmg

>>124036350
Do testing on the unkillable npc in hamlet it should be easier.

>>124036186
No basically i'm in for a 3v1 everywhere except the nightmare? How the fuck did they ruin invading so bad, I don't even want to twink

>>124036135
>NG+
>hard with max gems
anon, I cruised through the dlc as well, which is why I did it first on my 43 twink with 19%s except for orphan, who I used my fully gemmed shit for cuz he's a fag but all my fully built ng+ characters rekt the dlc

>http://www.product-reviews.net/2015/12/02/bloodborne-1-08-update-notes-after-server-maintenance/
>40% physical gem
>chalice scale with NG

Is this real?

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>>124035847
>learning to bait head slam and avoid charge
Try this, anon, if you ever decide to go back at her for blood rocks. See that spot? Get to that spot and do not move from it. If she moves or moves you, get right the fuck back in that spot. You can R1 her to death at your leisure, and the only thing you need to move for is the lazer spell.

>>124036573
>warping to and from the hamlet to change gems every time is faster than just using a hunter's mark and the doll
no

>>124035992
Whirligig saw damage lowered
Fist of Gratia can parry
Blood gem damage limit raised to 35%

>>124035828
He says all memebrs of the League can see vermin. We can assume he quits because he can no longer see vermin. Who knows why this is though

>>124035479
>>124035932


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjTwMNNtuIY

>>124036589
2v1, use the PvE enemies. Invading is meant to be stacked in the favor of the person who you're invading.

>>124036085
>Respec Item added for 30 Insights at the Insight Vendor
Bullshit. Not in my bloodubornu

>>124036637
it a dumb meme on gamefaqs that spread all the way to blogger sites.

>>124036718
WHAT A THRILL

>>124036637
>Fixed a bug where players could get the Old Hunters DLC for free
>Changed moveset of Beasthunter Saif, Whirligig Saw, and Simon’s Bowblade trick weapons
>Lowered damage of Whirligig Saw
>Added +40% Physical Blood Gems
>Any new Chalice Dungeons now scale with New Game playthrough
>Fixed Fist of Gratia not allowing for Visceral Attacks

Sounds fake as fuck

>>124036573
o shit thats a good idea.

Has anyone tried to stagger the club Undead Giant with Gratia's Fist? I can't use my PS4 right now, but I'm curious if that might help with that terrible fight.

>>124036376
>Noble scion is not related to vileblood, at all
Do you really believe this? The only bloodtinge group in the game is old royalty, of course Noble Scion is a reference to them. You really seem to be reaching for some of this.
Evelyn foreign made? Where do you get this from? The description states the Cainhurst style relies more on bloodtinge, so why wouldn't they have more bloodtinge than someone else?

>>124036387
I didn't think so.

>>124036376
Evelyn is not foreign made, and only the Chikage says it's imported. The Evelyn was a standard of the Cainhurst hunter, and the fact that it has an 18 bloodtinge requirement means that the knights, if nothing else, were much more bloodtinge-oriented than the workshop and church hunters.

But imported or not, the Chikage is the standard weapon of the Queen's royal guard. When all of the weapons used by the hunters and guards there are heavily dependent on bloodtinge scaling, we can assume that they were all bloodtinge builds.

>>124036718
I don't understand this either tho. Did he eat beasts and so lose his ability to see vermin? Why did he eat beasts?

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>>124035828
Motherfucker lost his goddamn mind when him and his fellow coppers chased a beast to yharnam. After it slaughtered his compatriots and he finally killed it, he ate the entire body. Aside from how the blood altered his physical state, that probably mentally broke him beyond repair. He then turned to hunting since all his friends were gone and he had blood problems so figured he might as well kill beasts some more. He forms the league due to finding parasite inside people that turn them to beasts, perhaps because he ate one he got a very up close understanding of their anatomy. The church don't give a fuck about wolves so they wouldn't care, it sort of makes sense they were always there and Valtr just knows how to get to them. And possibly due to the rune he created to grant the ability to see them.

However going by the description itself, perhaps they were never there. He's just batshit and that rune grants you the idea of vermin existing and your ability to REMOVE them. Either way, you prove to be an admirable confederate and able to handle the league. He leaves his bucket as thanks and a sign of you carrying on the League. Then he drifts to the Hunter's nightmare. So basically he might have never been able to see them, or he became so corrupt himself he couldn't tell the difference and just liked the taste of beast.

Boy this game sure has such wonderful "allies"

>>124036718
He looks like he should be behind the counter in a RadioShack in a run down mall

>>124036927
Did you not read the description of the Constable garb?

>>124036376
The key thing is that the Vilebloods used FORBIDDEN blood and were only referred to as vileblood in the Corruption Rune and Chikage. Corruption Rune says that vileblood, not Cainhurst Knights, hunted for Blood dregs in other hunters for Queen Analise so we can presume it only Queen Analise became Undead only after taking in Forbidden blood.

Also, Old Hunter Yanamura who is also using Chikage (Chikage Yanamura is an unknown person credited in the credits so we can assume he's someone special to the bloodborne team) NEVER uses Bloodmode, presumably because can't.

>>124036718
removevermin.jpg

>>124036717
1 attack kill the doll then you have to warp. then do another, warp, another, warp. He tested R1, R2 and L2. You can do all 3 on the npc in fishing then warp back.

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>>124036350
>>124036561

R1= 432 dmg
R2= 496 dmg
L2= 1462 dmg

>>124036561
>that triangle
WHERE
H
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R
E

If you say brainsucker I swear on me mum m8

>>124036718
>"kowabungga dood"
>"gnarly visceral bruh"

>>124036886
Wait, did you think I'm the one you were talking to? If you think it matters so much then fucking post away you ass-blasted retard. But if you want my respect, then fucking try contributing to the community if you think you're so important. But you aren't, and you can't, so don't even bother.

>>124037019
It just says one of them ate the beast

>>124037113
Also this test is pretty poor since you don't have all of the same gem type aka arc up plus arc attack on all.

>>124036714
I doubt I'll need another blood rock on my BL4 character again. But thanks for the advice and doodle

>watching streamer after streamer fail and give up on ludwig

why do I get such immense pleasure of seeing people fail and get angry?

>>124036561
nice gems but why 50 arc at lvl 98?

>>124037152
And his title when you summon him is Beast Eater. >>124036718

He is either the same constable or followed very closely in his footsteps.

>>124037131
Looks like something from the Isz watchers, actually. I can't imagine how long he farmed for it.

>>124037152
It also says why he ate the beast. The beast ate his companions so Valtr ate the beast.

>>124036868
I'm not reaching, anon. I'm just laying down what we can clearly see. Claiming that noble scion=vileblood, THAT is reaching. I did misremember about the evelyn being foreign, I thought the description said it was designed by someone other than cainhurst. Though I'd also like to point out that a lot of cainhurst is trophies and spoils they've acquired, and the evelyn does not say that it is cainhurst original.

Also, the bit about "cainhurst variant relying more on bloodtinge" is in relation to workshop firearms.

>>124037131
Not him, but I got one from Merciless Watchers on Isz on my second try.

>>124037241
I know but thats the best i can get for now

>>124037307
So i can use pizza cutter

>>124037150
Dude.
Dude.
This is next level shitposting
I could point out that you're shifting goalposts, etc etc but we both know you are so I'll just tell you you sound incredibly upset

>>124036927
Yeah, I think he ate it out of rage and whatnot. I'm assuming that by consuming vermin, you lose the ability to see it. Remember in the description of his garb it said that he and other fellow constables chased down the beast, all died, save for him, who devoured it whole.That's probably when he became the master, being the last one left

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What if 1.08 added item trading?

How many cheese covered dicks will you suck for good gems?

>>124037351
The evelyn says nothing about it being made by someone who wasn't cainhurst. It simply says that it was lovingly named after a woman and graced with an intricate design, but not by whom.

>>124036376
>Maria frowns upon blood weapons.
She frowns on blood weapons because she dislikes using her own blood, anon. Her own NOBLE blood related to a QUEEN with special blood. It's not a disdain specifically for blood weapons, it;s a disdain for her blood, her lineage. It has nothing to do with the Chikage. She doesn't like relying on the blood that connects her to her origins as a source of strength, which is a pretty clear disdain for those origins. The line about the queen implies Annalise, because she's the big, hot Queen character in the game that happens to have special superblood and command an order of knights that exclusively use blood blades. Considering Maria has actual, literal blood powers and coats her non-blood blade in blood to power it up, it's pretty clear which queen with special superblood she's supposed to be a relative of.

Also, point of fact: Maria uses an Evelyn. You can tell because it has a firing animation entirely unique to it, where you hold it sideways when you shoot.

>>124036637
Source: Mai Onu Batto.

>>124037046
>annalise
>undead

Woah there mister, Annalise is not undead. Never was, never will be, if her apparent immortality has anything to say about it.

>>124037543
wont happen, you could just savescum

Why is it important to have a lvl that allows you to invade lvl 80s?

>>124037261
>>124036714
Just as I typed that I found an Ebrietas in my other character and used your strategy to kill her in a minute. Thanks again anon

>>124037312

Its quite easy if its from boss.

>>124037307
What's wrong about 50 arc at 98, am i missing something about arcane?

>>124037351
So what do you think Noble Scion relates to then? Are you really going to look beyond the easiest and most obvious solution to suggest something other than the royal line of Forsaken Castle Cainhurst? What trophies and spoils are foreign?

And yes, it relies more on bloodtinge in relation to the other workshop firearms because they had more bloodtinge than everyone else. That is exactly my point. They are bloodtinge: the faction.

>>124037505
A group of constables chasing a beast is a funny image

>'Ere! What's all this! Come along quietly now, wretch
>Oi, come along, we got you bang to rights!

>>124037543
That's gnarly man

>>124037701

Probably because people finish the game around that level I guess.

>>124037565
>The line about the queen implies Annalise, because she's the big, hot Queen character in the game that happens to have special superblood


Babbies that haven't met Yharnam please go. Maria is related to the undead queen, not the undying queen.

Annalise is never said to have superblood. Only vileblood.

>>124037386
I see, what damage do you get on it if you don't mind me asking?


>>124037718
Tools softcap at 70 and even the scaling beyond that is pretty good

>>124037394
Granted. I am upset about Kobra acting high and mighty when he's consistently been full of shit since way back in /dsg/.

But being upset affects judgement, especially when it comes to priorities. Fine then.

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So level 140 characters so I can play with 4chan and Reddit. Good idea?

>>124036854
Lets see if it can. If it can stagger BLB it should be able to stagger him too

I'll post results when I can

>>124037921
So what would be a good level to stop at for a kos parasite build?

>>124037684

"Radiance" rune. Symbol of the Executioners.
"A secret symbol left by Caryll, runesmith of Byrgenwerth.

The rune for "Radiance," adopted by the sworn Executioners under Logarius' command.

The executioners despise the impure Vilebloods, and no matter what the circumstances, would never cooperate with the bloodthirsty hunters who serve the undead queen. Annalise."

Seems like you are serving a pink mushy vampire.

Currently going for a STR build. Would inputing 15 arcane help if im planning on using amys arm and boom hammer? Or just keep it str and some skill for minigun?

>>124037958
120 would be better imo

>>124037719
Noble scion is what it says on the tin. A person sure of their blood line. It does not reference cainhurst or vilebloods at all, and having high bloodtinge is in no way exclusive to cainhurst.

If people start saying Brador is a vileblood I'll laugh myself silly.

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>>124037921

692 AR with fire based attack

>>124037902
Undead and undying are synonyms. The undead are undying, and anything undying could be called undead. It all translates to "immortal" in Japanese anyways.

>>124038023
I knew the game referred to Annalise as undead somewhere, but couldn't remember the source for the life of me. Thanks, mate.

>>124038034
No, that isn't enough to benefit at all, even if the scaling wasn't awful to begin with.

if I'm at BL 110, is there any reason not to go to 120 for PvP reasons?

>>124037543
Would be better if they added a fucking Blood Echo sink in the game. I have 42 million echoes doing nothing, I have already bought every consumable and material and have 50+ BoM in storage as a safety net.

They could add buyable ingsight which means no more chunk farming. They could also add gem variants of already acquired cursed gems from the shop. i.e. you got a 27% with hp depletion, you have unlocked 27% with other curses in the shop.

>>124038007
I went 70 Arc 40 vit and nothing else for mine, works well. It's really up to you, how much you think you'll use the tools. It's also still weapon damage, just at a reduced rate past 50

>>124037902

See the Radiance Rune desciption
>>124038023. She's undead

>>124037684

Undying, immortal and undead probably use the same kanji in Jap or something.

>>124037351
>Claiming that noble scion=vileblood
Nobody ever said that. Is this intentional staw-manning? The point about noble scion is that the class explanation mentions one's pedigree, making the clear implication that innate bloodtinge is lineal (which really should be intuitive since we literally call your familial heritage your 'bloodline' in the first place). People with powerful bloodtinge tend to be nobility, and there's not a whole lot of nobility in the game that we encounter, but the few that we do corroborate this entirely.

Bloodtinge is normally hereditary, which is why Maria, as a relative of some Queen, can coat her weapons, which aren't inherently blood weapons, in blood and use it to strengthen them. It's also why she can make her blood burst into flames and all the other shit she does in the fight.

>>124038135
If you go into NG+ you can buy ritual blood (5) and tomb mold (5).

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>>124038084
>>124037921

Sorry wrong pic

>>124038167
So tools are actually worth using now then eh?

>>124038135
>50+ BoM

Fifty what? Blades of Mercy?

What do you mean as a safety net, so you can sell them later?

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What do you guys think of this Skill build for a level 98? Should I swap the endurance out for 15 in arcane so I can use the Beast Roar/ Old Bone, or is it good as is?

http://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/8756

>>124038302
They have always been worth using but you need to go past 50 ARC to 99. And you need to spam blood bullets.

>>124038302
Tools have always been worth using, it's just that nobody tried using them at over 50 arcane until rather recently.

>>124038023
No, we shall not abandon the dream

The executioners were radicals, crazy church hunters sworn against the vilebloods. They could easily refer to annalise wrongly as undead, if only to mock her.

>>124038112
>undead
>undying
>synonyms

>>124037902
>Maria is related to the undead queen, not the undying queen.
You're splitting the wrong hairs here, anon. Specific diction choice in translation isn't really indicative of intended meaning, as both are effectively synonymous across the language barrier. Also as >>124038023
mentions, Annalise is referred to as the undead queen at least once.

>>124038084
That must rape beasts

>>124038135
>They could add buyable insight which means no more chunk farming.

How about buyable chunks?

> i.e. you got a 27% with hp depletion, you have unlocked 27% with other curses in the shop.

This would be cool but I don't think you should get to pick the % or the curse, it would work like Diablo or something. Damn I really want this now

>>124038324
Yes. They have the best sell ratio.

>>124037751
Now I'm imagining a Dickensian cop drama set in Yharnam.
>"Right son, on account of bein' an 'orrible beast you're nicked!"
>"RARR-- it's a fair cop, guv."

>>124038394
>>124038398
Call beyond and auger hit hard at 99 arc?

I can't fucking beat bloodstarved beast what in the fuck is happening, I just wanted to make a BLT character god fucking damn it this always happens. I fuck up at some super simple boss and get pissed. I've platinumed the fucking game.

What's wrong with me?

>>124038481
Insanely hard, yes. Call Beyond especially.

I'm probably going to stop at 70 ARC on my MLGS build just for tools, even though it means leveling past 120. I don't really give that much of a fuck.

>>124038331
You get either Reiterpallasch and Bowblade, or tools. Which do you prefer?

>>124038401
See:
>It all translates to "immortal" in Japanese anyways

And no, you don't get to pick and choose which item descriptions are true and which aren't. The game says Annalise is "the undead queen", therefore she is the undead queen.

somehow i never seem to notice when a thread is dead

how does a pure arcane user get through the not only the DLC to get ayy lmao mode but also chalice dungeons to gem up parasite of kos? i'm a level 80 ayy lmao right now, but i have 18 str and 12 skill to use the pizza cutter, and now i am sad i used those skill points. i'd like to remake and do an all arcane character but fuck i don't know if it's possible.

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>>124037380
>on my second try

>>124038481
You are hitting at roughly 66% percent with 50 ARC with Auger and 50% with Call Beyond

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17tmcuxmi_Ibh-rLSwO_7AFedTUbruJhpHD2o9LxAYOI/edit#gid=0&vpid=A1

>>124038124
So more arcane? Or forget arcane?
Not planning on using ht btw

How the fuck do you beat orphan? It's the only part of the DLC giving me trouble

>>124037751
>>124038456
Buckethead DLC when

>>124038626
not even an arcane build kek

>>124038481
A Call Beyond at 99 arcane can dish out over 3,000 damage against bosses that resist it. I've had it do over 4,000 against Amy if you can manage to make every star hit the head.

>>124038559
You're on tilt.
Just hold up and right and hit R1 every now and again. Everything BLB does will whiff past you.

You guys ever think some people become hunters for the dosh?

Someone in the last thread mentioned a jap player beating orphan lvl 4 ng+7, anyone have the video?

>Valtr's voiced by Vengarl's VA

He can't catch a fucking break, christ

>>124038559
I just did it on my SL4 character today.
Slather him in oil and get some fire paper if you really can't do it.

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>>124038559

>tfw i can't even beat BSB on my first playthrough

Doing an arcane build early on is suffering

So has anyone figured out how to make a kos parasite twink build that isn't shit?

>>124038832
BBs world is pretty scummy i wouldn't doubt it.

>>124038848
Vengarl's VA was the shit. Whoever that guy is, he really knows how to get into the headspace of his characters.

Can anyone help me with defiled lava dog? I can't do it with my shit first character with bad gems.

>>124038686
Yeah just forget it.

>>124037702
No problem, glad it was useful

>>124038842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJrw5gwx-o

>>124038936
Anon.................

>>124038902
The same way you make any twink build: Stack three brainsucker gems and go to town.

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Boo.

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>>124038848

Valtr was fine. He lost his friends, like most people did in BB's world, but he got his revenge and started a successful business.

In the end, he was able to entrust his life's work to a worthy successor and went off to do what he loves doing the most, hunting beasts.

That's infinitely better than the raw deal Maria, Gerhman, Gasman and a few other NPCs got in the end.

>>124038559
Get behind him instead of trying for MLG parries.

>>124038895
>doing an arcane build as your first playthrough.
You fucked up

>>124038902
Cannot be done sadly, the damage is just too low even with chalice gems. Was hoping to spook low levels with ayylmaos

>>124038842
You in luck, been studying it for my twink builds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJrw5gwx-o

>>124038936
Server is down. Summon Queen killer to wreck his shit

>>124038969
Is amy any good for pvp?

>getting the urge to make an ARC build
>remember I need to do the chalices again
>urge gone

Kinda ironic that the CD's actually negatively impact the replayability of the game

>>124039115

How so?

>>124039124
You can use flat gems, damage is mediocre but L2 is not affected so using it on early game players is basically an instant win since they have no idea what that is.

>>124038895
You serious man
You can just hold flamesprayer and strafe right

>>124038842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJrw5gwx-o&

Lmao. Westerners are fucking trash.

>>124038689
Stay kinda spaced from him and try to bait him into his jumping lunge attack thing. Walk right at him to go under it, then backstab him and V atk, have v atk up runes. Now can you tell me how to beat Laurence?

>>124039190
It's not as bad as it might immediately seem. I haven't used it enough to give a well thought out opinion on it but it's pretty slow and easy to parry. It's tricked form is pretty fun though.

>>124038832
>the dosh
I'd do it for the power, man.
Imagine you conquer the nightmare and come out on top with all that power. Who's gonna stop you from doing what you want?

Is there a good amount of PvP and/or co-op activity at 150? My NG++/Chalices guy is almost there and I'd like to have SOMETHING to do with him.

>>124039124
Are you serious? Kos Parasite is so weak at low levels that even brainsucker gems aren't enough to make it work?

Damn, that's a real bummer.

>>124038660
This is old. We need a new one.
Augur hits for over 600 on chalice watchers with 45 arc.

What's a good level to shoot for a twink build, thinking about going for a build using the beast transformation.

>>124038810
>>124038869
>>124039095
Must be it, got too frustrated and went full retard. I'll cool off and then come back at it in a couple minutes.
>instead of trying for MLG parries
but how can I be an up and coming edgelord if I don't shove my fist in things all day?
>>124038895
>Arcane first run
Keep pumping it, work that flamer and patiently await your space trinkets. It's fun but tough, especially for a first time. Take those other anon's advice for BSB. Save your molotovs for his last part of the fight since he AOEs poison like a cunt.

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>>124039282

Yes, I just now found out about the flamesprayer from the Bloodborne Wiki

>>124039270
Arcane is easily the hardest path to build for.
>decent gems are only in late game/CD
>beast blood pellets do nothing
>your visceral attacks do nothing

>>124039308

Not to doubt him, how can we tell it's NG+7 for sure? Orphan's health?

>>124039308
watch this fucking shit. perfect with no damage fucking taken. jesus.

>>124039445
For invasions, 43. For co-op, 30. Always.

>>12403935
For an STR build that is all there is sadly or boom hammer and kirk. Saw is there too i think but i dont like the pizza cutter look. Amy and boom are the only ones that look interesting to me

>>124039412
wut's a brainsucker gem friend?

servers still down senpai?

>>124036854
Sorry anon. It doesn't stun him unless you hit him three times with it. At least the ball and chain one

>>124039265
They just needed more variance, such wasted potential

>>124039503
Can someone post the most recent arcane build image?

There was an anon here that faced martyrs brigade or w/e i think his name is similar to that. I wanted to see the video but he had to reupload it since it was blocked in my country. If you're here do you still have that video anon?

>>124039503

Oh, I like taking the hardest path first desu.

How beat Logarius at sl30

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CRUEL FATE
LEVEL 43

27 VIT
12 END
30 ARCANE
KOS PARASITE

THIS IS THE NEW AYYLMAO MEME BUILD

>>124039758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erH6XNwRHQI

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>>124039265

I read the two Brain Trusts in Hamlet at least drop 22% physical gems or something, havent confirmed myself. That info alone gave me the motivation to make a new SKILL character.

If I didn't know that, I'd probably be done by now after I pizza rolled my way through the DLC.

Fuck the Side Room Simulation that is CD

>>124039903
dodge and parry and punish his charge up

>>124038559
just throw a pungent blood cocktail and backstab it. come on, mr platinum.

>>124034786
I love this. It's such a small change, but they actually give a shit. I hope Miyazaki doesn't go full George Lucas one day tho

>>124039503
>oil urns + parry bonus lets you take gigantic chunks out of boss health
>flamesprayer is good enough to solo every boss with
>fire saw weapons get a double bonus against MANY enemies
>tools don't require gems to do good damage

arc builds are pretty easy in PvE honestly

SKL is harder 'cause cane and BoM suck starting out

So what's the deal with vermin? They can't be real, since it completely undermines the entire plot so far and all the cosmic horror shit and dream shit. So what are they? What are they for? Do they actually exist? Is the league criminally insane?

>>124039946
Yeah the Brain Trusts drop 22% cursed gems

>>124040027
I'm also glad it was changed. I'm really just glad From is as big as they are. They put such care in their games even though they could just start shitting out moneygrab sequels at any moment.

Though if going full George Lucas means reverting the inclusion of dead Kos and vermin I'd be fine with him doing just that.

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>Choosing Noble Scion for bloodtinge builds

>>124040104

In what era would a noble gentleman titled The Beast Eater be considered insane?

>>124040104
They are real as far as I can tell. That's the curse mother kos put on the blood as revenge for the defilement of the hamlet by byrgenwerth.

>>124039916
>getting caught and killed by the pizzacutter L2
Ha!

>>124040027
What difference is there from what it is normally? What am i missing

>>124040246
>not going 15 arc for the old anime bone

>>124039515
He got 444750 echos from Orphan

Why do people say BB has the worst PVP? I find it the best of the souls games, probably because in the other ones all I've encountered was magic spam, backstab fishes 24/7, or gank squadding. What makes people say BB is the worst?

>>124040104
I really hope vermin aren't real.

>>124040307
But beasthood appears to have occurred before Byrgenwerth fucked up, just look at Loran.

>>124039609
It's a gem you get from killing a brainsucker in chalice dungeons. Guaranteed +70-someodd flat arcane damage secondary from the boss versions, and +65 from the lever versions.

They aren't better than any other gem with the odd prefix, but none of the others are as easy to farm since they only appear in chests.

>>124039728
Fuck. I was so hoping SOMETHING might make the fight a little easier. Thanks for trying, though, it's appreciated!

Want to use tools.
50 arc or 70 arc? Which is more worth it?

>>124040307
But that completely undermines all the moon symbolism, the moon presence, and everything we know so far. The moon and the blood is what makes people beasts, not infected rats. This isn't the black plague.

Are there any NPC's I can summon for Orphan of Kos?

>>124040307
Are you sure about that?, weren't there already beasts before the whole fishing hamlet incident.

If there weren't beasts then why would the hunters even exist in the first place. Plus look at loran.

Vermin may be the cause of beasthood, but it think Kos's curse is just the nightmare

>>124040347
Before, the D in 'dead' was capitalized. 'Already Dead.'

Now it's just 'Already dead.'

>>124040390
Anybody that says Dark Souls 2 PvP is better than Bloodborne is delusional. Dark Souls 2 is fucking trash in every way including PvP.

>>124040104
They're just cosmic parasites. Kos had alien parasites, the old blood has alien parasites. They induce beasthood because they live in and feed on blood, and so gradually reshape their host as they grow in power into a form more efficient at bloodletting, and drive them mad with bloodlust to better feed them. The vermin are in the old blood and likely from whichever great one gave mankind the old blood.

>>124040481
No.
It's the final boss. Don't summon. Use what you've learned.

>>124040390
The invading system is trash if anything pvp is prob my favorite of all the from games so far

>>124040104
>it completely undermines the entire plot so far and all the cosmic horror shit and dream shit
How does it do that? Can't they be cosmic horror parasites that come with the infected blood?

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>>124040506

No, but the only advice you need to win is that you can go into the ocean and fight him there

>>124039910

>level 43

How good do you have to be to get KoS Parasite so early?

>>124040395
Thanks, going to try a level 43 kos parasite "twink" build. If it turns out to be shit ill just bump it up to 91 i guess.

>>124040601
Yeah I can see people having problems with the invasion system or other non-sense but I keep on seeing that people say the actual PVP fights are the worst and I just don't see why.

>>124040390
shitters who can't afford a PS4. DS2 is not a game for invasions. Every game gives host an advantage but DS2 takes it to another level.

>>124040390
It has great pvp imo, but it's really lacking covenants with rewards. That helps in a lot of ways.

>>124040101
BoM is actually really fun starting out. Your damage is neither excellent nor terrible but damn near everything you do is fast enough to punish any opening and constantly attack while still being safe to dodge the boss. I'm actually loving this weapon in pve right now.

My only gripe is that the tricked R2 takes half my fucking stamina bar at 15 END. This is some kirkhammer bullshit.

>>124040514
So much this. DaS2 is unworthy of the Souls name in every way.

>>124040101
If you want a SKL build just take the axe at the start honestly. Then go for whatever weapon ASAP as possible. :^)

>>124040628

You can summon for bullshit bosses anyway and most contents can be skipped by running through them.

>>124040514
.

>>124040628
Not good just determined. Good luck if you wish to attempt the same.

What do I do about OoK double spin slash attack? I don't know how else to distinguish it.

>>124040601
The invading system is kinda shit, but it's really hard to be worse than DaS2 invasion system.

>>124040390
The only thing I think is worse than Dark Souls PVP is how you an only invade most areas if someone has rang either the Beckoning Bell or the Small Sinister Bell, meaning they are either summoning a phantom, or actually want to duel. Either of those is not in the spirit of working through an area back to your blood echoes by yourself, then getting invaded and having to reluctantly duel him to pick them back up. This also means that invaders have less fun invading people who don't want to duel, and don't have phantoms.

>>124036476
sauce for smug please

>>124040725
They're prob just shitters than

Is there anywhere to get decent Nourishing gems except for depth 3 defiled chalice bosses? I don't care if they're not the strongest possible gems, I just want decent ones.

What did the patch change?

>>124040428
honestly i think 50 is right. the damage gain to 70 is real but exec gauntlets are more than worth using at 50 and the weapon damage seriously just cliffs

i think 70 is ok, but 99 is just like a pure globetrotting build. which is fun sometimes

>>124040104
There were hints of beasthood having something to do with parasites in the base game. Silverbeasts barfing gross worms at you and headless Bloodletting beast being alive without a head (and eventually revealed to be controlled by a worm) all point to this. Vermin would be these worms.

It's interesting that they use the word "filth" in its description, though. Back in those days, filth meant poop, which is also where you'd normally find worms. What strikes me as odd though is that the silverbeasts are all hollowed out on the inside and even have their ribs sticking out, and how darkbeasts are just bones that don't have any room for worms. I guess in the former case you could say the vermin got too huge and cored out the host and are at the point where they're looking to infect something new, but how the fuck is a darkbeast supposed to be moving when it's just bones?

>>124040391
That's a good point anon. I'm no lore expert but that's what I surmised from the DLC content. Didn't they mention something about 'ashen blood' in loran or something like that? could be two completely different things. maybe loran fucked around with a great one and got cursed too. Or I'm wrong, who knows?
>>124040431
I figured it was the vermin attaching themselves to the mind of the host (seemed to be what was happening with iosfeka) and making hunters to go mad with bloodlust

I also may be completely wrong.

>>124040104
Vermin can be gained by beating non-beast bosses, so there is that.

Vermin are a manifestation of the mind, to allow the witness some form of relief against the threat to their sanity. By imagining the corruption in the blood in this form, it gives them the capacity to 'crush' it, even though this, in effect, achieves nothing.

It is a lie, meant to encourage cooperation in hunting beasts.

I kinda like the idea that the bug in HBLB is a gigantic vermin though

>>124040610
How does that help?

>>124040390
The invasion system is trash and the fact that the game makes spamming healing so easy to do for both sides, combined with damage being so high that 2-3 shotting people is the norm, make it kinda silly. It's twitchy in a bad way and most duels end up being decided by a single laggy roll catch or somebody desperately mashing R1 and getting lucky because escaping a stagger without dying is a crapshoot.

It's mainly the healing and invasion system, though.

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>>124040581
>it's all evil parasites humans dindu nuffin

sounds cheap

Some runes talk about beastly nature in people that they don't want to accept. And the whole "you turn into a bigger/badder beast the more you try to hold it in" reminds me of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and how it's about the sin of pride. Blaming it all on wiggly worms just ruins it.

>>124040514
>Dark Souls 2 is fucking trash in every way including PvP.
I liked the amount of content. Very good game for fashion.

>>124040428
Depends.

Stopping at 98/100? Get 50 ARC. Stopping at 120? Get 70 ARC. This is assuming a pure Arcane build that wants to use tools as much as possible.

>>124041049

Because the beach is a shitty place to fight him, you'll get caught and stuck on things.

The ocean is completely wide open.

>>124040906
>Soul memory

WTF WAS THIS SHIT

From shoulda made the bell maidens have diffrent spawns each time theyre killed so you have to search each time, like predesignated spots but not the same one every damn time

>>124040945
FRC Gargoyle enemies will drop 19.3% gems, bosses drop 19.5%

>>124041106
>blames healing cuz shit at parrying.
invasion system could be better though, i'll give you that.

>>124041106
>somebody desperately mashing R1 and getting lucky because escaping a stagger without dying is a crapshoot

Yeah, nah.

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>>124040986
>darkbeast supposed to be moving when it's just bones?

>>124041045
doesn't valtyr's helmet suggest seeing vermin is a talent that can be gained or lost? leads me to believe they're not necessarily imaginary things.

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>>124041038
>vermin attaching himself to the mind of the host
>literal centipede crawling around your brain

>>124041108
It's literally the bloodborne Midichlorians. Thank Hidetaka 'Lucas' Miyazaki.

>>124040986
No, the worms are called Hateful Maggots and are as far as we know distinct from vermin. They're not large centipedes.

>>124041038
The only reference to Ashen Blood is that which caused the scourge of Old Yharnam, as far as I recall.

The dlc content really just feels like lore-wise its fitting pieces from a different puzzle into our current one in some ways.

>>124041204
Radial only, right?

It seems like decent nourishing triangles are damn near impossible to get without grinding defiled amygdala.

>>124041108
Plus, the beast roar tool.
Maybe parasites unlock the potential of humanity or something.

>>124040104
they're not real. it's a 100% red herring to seduce people into obsessing over it like valtr

valtr is clearly an insane person and the vermin are are hallucinatory. the theories that try to make them real seem incredibly loose to me, e.g. "they mutate the host to gather blood more efficiently" or "kos cursed the blood with parasites" -- these are just headcanon

>>124041296
It also explained that ashen blood was related to the onset of the beast plague. It was more or less just a symptom of the transformation, not its own sickness like people thought.

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>>124041038
Kin are a completely different case than beasts. The Milkweed rune reveals that what defines a kin of the cosmos is phantasms in the brain, which was hinted at before with the Madman's Knowledge and Great One's Wisdom item pictures. Vermin in the blood would be beasts, it seems.

>>124041296
The futurepress guide makes up names for everything. They always have.

There's no telling what a Vermin would look like when it grows up, especially if they're anything like phantasms.

>>124041249
Valtyr has long lost the ability to see vermin, yes.

>>124040428

>using tools exclusively
Fuck having to get back to hunter dream after each invasion

>>124040390
Cut HP when invading and advocating healing during invasion fights, probably.

Bloodborne PvP is the most fun I've had in any Souls PvP. Ganks work both ways and you can incorporate lots of gimmicks to make it fun. I guess it depends from player to player and opinionated players taking twitch streamer's word as gospel

>>124041276
There better be an interview with him soon asking very specifically about the vermin.

>>124041108
What if the whole vermin thing is just Valtr's delusion talking? He came hunting a beast, the beast ate his compatriots, and therefore he ate the beast in revenge after killing it. What if he found some kind of normal non-magical, non-Mythosy parasite in the beast's carcass and in his crazed delusion became convinced it was the source of the beasthood, and resolved to hunt it out?

>>124041353
Try finding some gargoyles in Isz

>>124041108
They still play up that "humans are the real beasts" thing, the vermin are just the lore explanation for how it happens.

I mean, the fact that people made a fucking religion out of injecting themselves with blood infested with centipede-like parasites so vile they're called 'filth' that transform them into horrible cannibalistic monsters says a lot about the yharnamites.

>>124041425
How can vermin be in my inventory though? Do I just go insane as soon as I talk to Valtr? That seems even more weird.

>>124041296
I probably made that connection because the same type of beasts are in loran and old yharnam
the chalice mentions something about "trace remains of medical practices" that were either to control the scourge of the beast or maybe even cause the outbreak
I'm not really sure what to make of it.
>>124041468
Right, which means it's a real ability you can gain or lose, rather than calling it a hallucination or fantasy, it's more of an ability, which makes me think they're very real
or i'm just diving too much into the semantics of it all. usually when an NPC has maniacal laughter after their dialogue something more sinister is going on there but i'm not sure what, if anything.

Simon specifically tells you when he dies "This place is the source of the Hunter's Nightmare" and then asks you to end the curse of your forefathers. Kos' curse is the Nightmare. Simon specifically tells you this without ambiguity. I just don't get this blood-parasite thing, it seems like obvious pre-DLC misdirection to me.

>>124041106
Healspam is more restricted in BB than it ever was in any of the Souls games. Demon's Souls let you carry 99 of two different 100% healing items with no noticeable downside, Dark Souls had Estus, 99 Divine Blessings, 99 Humanity, 99 Twin Humanities, and 99 Elizabeth's Mushrooms, and I'm not even going to get started on the nonsense in Dark Souls 2.

Bloodborne lets you have 20 vials (32 if you're retarded and stacking runes), 1 Iosefka's blood, 1 of either Adella's or Arianna's blood, and now 1 Adeline blood. And nothing else.

>Laurence
Jesus christ this is the most unfun fight ever, fuck this entire thing. Bad enough he's a fucking reskinned boss, he's a terrible fight too.

>>124041425
Every covenant that has a unique item only receives that item when the oath rune is equipped, and make specific reference to that fact. The League and vermin are no different. You only see vermin with the rune equipped for the same reason you only see blood dregs with the vileblood rune equipped.