/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>new PosChengband

horey shit

Xth for Trump

xth for the fact that even roguelikes can't escape Touhou

What's the difference between a rod and a staff?
PCB by the way.

>>123919010

Not sure how it works for PCB 4.0 since I've seen wands recharge themselves over time but a staff usually has limited charges while a rod you zap it once and then wait for it to recharge.

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>find great randart in one of the only types I can get highly skilled in
>too much of a weakling to wield it effectively
At least it does more damage than the +0,+0 long sword I used to get riding to beginner (you still fall off all the time).

>>123919245

Just grind for Potions of Strength. What class are you playing?

>>123919245
>find great randart in one of the only types I can get highly skilled in

How do you know this stuff?

>>123919362

Check your weapon proficiency screen. Any skill without a ! in front of it means you can master it.

tfw actually had to search the catalog for the new thread

broke my streak

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>>123919354
Dragon warlock

>>123919362
It literally says so in the help. The help wouldn't lie to me, would it?

>>123919362
>>123919494
not quite, it means you can get at least one more tier of skill with it, you haven't reached the cap yet

>>123919509

I didn't get a chance to post a link to the new thread before the old one got archived. Sorry.

>>123919604

Ah my bad. Thanks for clarifying.

>>123919245
>>123919575
sage you never greentexted or used spoilers
what happened

>>123919509
Last thread or the one before that had that happen too.
Kinda strange, it never happened about a year ago. Not a huge change tho

>>123919575

How do you ride dragons? Do you get a class power at some point? Trying a Draconian Dragon Warlock out.

Is there a Mega link for MaidenSnow?

>>123920954
You get a summon dragon power eventually, but you can ride on the pet menu ('p').

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new autodestroyer format for devices in 4.0 forced me to rewrite some stuff, but it's worth it for this new pretty one.
On the left is what it looks like when you're editing it. On the right is what it looks like from the knowledge menu. I'd like them to be more similar (taking more things from the right side) but still I'm happy, much better than pre-4.0

>>123920954
>>123921197
not all classes can gain much/any riding skill, worth noting

>>123921679
I just wound up not using the autodestroyer at all.
After playing so much PCB as I have, the autodestroyer tends to piss me off more than help, especially since what do I want to pick up and not pick up situation is highly dynamic.
Not using it isn't any more tedious to me.

Is it OK to play Rogulikes with tiles on?

Seriously considering gifting myself an atomic nightlight in Cata

Being a nomad is fun but you're so limited by having a lightsource.

>>123922130
What I like to do is use car dome lights to read/craft at night. If they have gas and an intact engine you can even use that to charge up the battery.

Unless by nomad you mean innawoods, then there isn't much to do.

>>123922432
I'm holed up in a church at the moment because it's the console gives off a tiny amount of light.

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Guys, wh-what happened?
Why do I have 60HP instead of 400 now?
Wh-what do I do?

>>123922586
Apparently I got 23 levels drained out of me or something? I'm not sure what's going on. Either way I'm dead.

>>123922130
>oil lamps
>gasoline lanterns
>electric lanterns
>lightstrips
>candles
>working computers
>car dome lights
>other car lights
>bionic flashlight
>fire
>natural sunlight
Make do.

>>123922130
Build yourself an oil lamp. You need Fabrication 3.
Lamp oil can be made out of tallow with cooking 2.
You can also build a gasoline lantern at Fab 5.

Don't be such a bitch nigga senpai

My Lucky Wandmaster Demigod of Zeus is still alive. I've been running away from a lot of things since I don't have much by way of resists or offense. I haven't found any great wands yet. I spent 2k on this many-charges Beam of Light wand and it's done a lot of work shriveling orcs and zombies, definitely worth the investment.

I haven't been able to find a shop with enough ?DetectMonsters or !CureCritical for me to really feel confident going for the boss of The Stronghold or for diving in Orc Caves (though I'm sortof doing that anways as I don't have much choice).

At least I found a ring of free action.
I'm not sure how the new Transfer Activation ability works.

>>123922586
>>123922947
>You turn into an albino!
>You feel frail!
>You feel your life draining away!
Looks like the chaos damage gave you two mutations that reduce your constitution/hp and then separately you were hit by some sort of lifedrain attack that reduced your experience points

>>123924218

>Looks like the chaos damage gave you two mutations that reduce your constitution/hp and then separately you were hit by some sort of lifedrain attack that reduced your experience points

How do I reverse any of this?

>>123924612
there's a cure mutation service in the Zul town, which requires levitation to reach over the mountains. Each use of the service removes 1 random mutation.

or if you have access to Life magic you can get a spell that does it

>>123924612
Potion of restore life levels for lost XP

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That guy was the most annoying cunt I've had the displeasure of fighting. I liked how tsundere he was though. Having no infusions is fucking horrifying.

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>>123925271

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>>123922586

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Anyone else do the daily on One Way Heroics where Dosey is in the starting castle?

Gotta say I'm feeling pretty damn Heroic senpaitachi.

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>>123925352
I jobbed to the orc party. Took some of the rattle out of my step, but I'll keep on trucking. Time to REMOVE ORC. Its seems like every roguelike has a ORC GENOCIDE quest.

>>123926728
Orcs were literally invented to die in massive numbers to whichever hero happens by.

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A few minutes ago, I just beat NetHack for the first time. It's also the only roguelike I've beaten thus far. Feels pretty good.

>>123927284
Congratulations.
If you don't mind me asking, why are you using the graphical GUI with ascii tiles?

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>>123927284
Good job!

>>123927528
I like the way ascii looks for some reason. Couldn't figure out how to play the regular ascii one in fullscreen, and I'm used to the GUI anyway, since it was what I used the first few times I played.

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>>123927284
Congrats anon!

How's the new PCB family

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>>123927284
Congrats friend. How does your first ascension feel?

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>>123927284
Worth noting that I probably would have died if not for scrolls of genocide. Also, I have to admit, I was carefully reading the wiki while playing the whole time. As a result, this was done on only my 79th attempt at the game, over the course of a couple of years I think. It was only the second time I had been below the Castle level (first time ended with death in Moloch's Sanctum via brainlessness.)

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>>123928958
p good

I'll probably stay away from NetHack for a while and try some of the other roguelikes that I've hardly played.

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>>123918954
That's not saying much; Touhou has spread fucking everywhere in existence at this point, and Elona exists as a base for Japanese people to program in their Touhous for waifu purposes.

For starters, IT'S IN THIS VERY THREAD

What keys do you guys generally use as spellcasting macros in PCB?

>>123930780
tab, f2, etc.

I'm not sure what else is even usable, when I used 2 as a macro I couldn't drop two of an item.

>>123931005
I kind of wish I had one of those ugly MMO keyboards just for playing roguelikes, actually - spam those extra function keys as macros

>>123931005
f1 to 12 aren't actually used for anything, right?

GUYS THE DEVTEAM JUST REIMPLEMENTED ITEM DESTRUCTION

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f50acb22cd3c

NO JOKE

>>123930780
Z and X

>>123925271
Do archers just do a lot of damage? I'm curious because I played my alchemist to 19 and I was does <200 damage/turn while you're firing off 300-400 a turn apparently.

One Way Heroics anyone?

>>123931810
That actually looks kind of interesting.

>>123932028
It's actually even more per turn, because with archery you'll usually have a high attack speed. Single target damage is a thing archers are good at, yeah.

>>123931810
That's kinda neat.

>>123931810
B-B-BUT DCSS IS CASUAL
ITS NOT A _REAL_ ROGUELIKE
THIS CANT BE HAPPENING
errm I mean
This just adds more to the boring tedium that DCSS tries to smash you with

Where are ATMs in Cata? I haven't seen a bank and don't know where they would typically spawn.

I want to merge all these cash cards.

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>>123927284
>>123928990
Great job man, good to see someone else playing nethack

Speaking of which, brought to you by "That one faggot who actually plays nethack on a phone", here's my ascension. I think i'm starting to get the hang of it

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>>123934180
And the score + a list of shit i had to put up with. Fuck demogorgon holy shit what a pain in the ass

>>123934180
What, again?
Damn nice, anon.

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Looks like they removed the only thing this was good for.

>WE WANT MORE TACTICAL GAMEPLAY
>BUT WE REMOVE ALL TACTICAL GAMEPLAY FOR IT
Are crawl devs retarded? Item destruction really?

How to make PCB character dump now? It used to be C f but it no longer is

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Nothin Personell kid.

>>123935778
After playing Brogue for so long that level looks so huge and uninteresting

>>123935305
I found it that it is C| (that's C and then the pipe symbol |)

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I always thought pcb mind flayers were not threatening at all, but this guy is destroying me.

We are signed up and drawn into Group D for the fifth iteration of the /vg/ League.
This is our schedule!
Match 1: vs. /@/ (iDOLM@STER), Friday the 4th, 20:30 UTC. I dubbed this the @ Derby due to that symbol being important to us aswell.
Match 2: vs. /npg/ (Neopets General) Same time, on Sunday the 6th.
Match 3: vs. /rsg/ (Runescape General) Same time, on Saturday, the 12th.
Hope to see some of you show up and watch the team.

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I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, but I'm having fun

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Devicemaster of wands here, still alive and just finished travelling to the eastern towns so that I can teleport to their shops later. I dropped a huge pile of gold to pick up a fat stack of potions of cure critical wounds, definitely worth it but now I'm broke.

I'm thinking maybe I should have gone with rod instead of wand specialty just so that I could have more play with the new rods, since there seem to be a lot of those. Still, a devicemaster of any sort is going to be excellent at all devices, and I'll definitely use any good rods that I come across.

>>123937856
ninjas are one of the best and most fun character types to start out on, glad you're enjoying it. Are you using your create darkness power?

monster balrogs are great too

>>123938754
I was spamming create darkness for every encounter. But then I died to a raven as I was leaving town, I walked into it and it raped me. How fast are those fucking things, I quaffed a speed potion to have +13 and it outsped me.

>>123939432
I *think* they're just +10, not sure what went on there. Speed in PCB is semi-random but it shouldn't have gotten more than one double-move unless you were walking into forest tiles (which takes more time than a normal step) or something else was going on.

If you still want to play, consider a monster balrog. They start off super powerful (with a whip of flame, for example) and they keep gaining really useful intrinsic spells and defenses.

>>123939810
I was retreating through town, so it wasn't forest tiles. Also is there a way to get the map to center on the @? I had several close encounters where I was at the bottom of the screen and there were monsters 2 tiles below that. I'm going to try that sprite ninja again, see if I can get a handle on the game before going the OP monster path.

>>123940316
>is there a way to get the map to center on the @
yeah, use = to open the options, then 2) Map Screen Options, first two options are about centering map on you and the 2nd to last one will highlight you.

You might want to poke around in the other options too. For example I personally like yes to Use special colors for torch-lit grids, viewable grids, floor grids, and under 3) Text Display Options I like to turn off show_discounts, enable display_food_bar, and turn on abbrev_all for item properties.

Just starting to play roguelikes, only a few deaths under my belt so far.

Playing Crawl, Gargoyle Fighter, and I managed to kill Sigmund who dropped a scythe of slicing. Should I switch from maces and flails to polearms for this thing? It's stronger and has a brand, but it's also slower, and two handed. Not sure how badly I'll fuck myself later if I drop the shield as well.

>>123940664
Thanks, that helps a lot.

>>123941167
Swithcing weapon types early is fine if you find a decent weapon Scythes are never decent

>>123941820
Alright, I'll keep that in mind.

>>123941820
Scythe of Curses though

>>123941167
scythes are garbage ad slicing is mediocre at low skill, just wait and you'll find a nice mace/flail soon enough

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I've been killing mice for almost an hour now, they never end. Is there a mice spawning generator or something? I've leveled up 3 times so far from mice alone. I just wanted to fully explore the floor.

Also do enemies scale in PCB?

>>123941820
scythe of curses on a merfolk skald of ashenzari casting haste + spectral weapon though

>>123932028
Archers do huge damage, but I'm specced into single target damage. I had a natural crit rate of 65% along with stuff that does 150-225% base damage plus poison/debuffs, so that is why my damage spikes so much. I'm a little further along so I'm doing 200-500 with normal attacks, and I've seen 700+ with the specialized damage attacks. Archers are pretty neat.

>>123942851
They breed explosively, so they quickly grow out of control.

You'll need to abandon the floor, probably.

>>123932028
lmao you're playing alchemist wrong then breh
max bombs, max bomb resistance, max bomb radius, max acid infusion, command staff to acid, stack all acid damage boosts and crit chance that you can, get clairvoyance and lob bombs to blast niggas way out of sight
enjoy your fifteen runes

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>Boulder beetles can be reflected by a shield of reflection
Neat.

>>123942851
ah good old breeders...start with one, end with a horde.
Most (but not all) [r]odents and [w]orms are breeders. Some other types too (a few insects, all leprechauns, gremlins, some minor demons), but in the early game it's mostly rodents and works.

The non-breeder rodents and worms are primarily skavens, were-rats, trench worms, and giant slings.

They stop breeding if you get far enough away from them. Also, you can sometimes pen them in by strategically closing doors and thus not have to totally abandon a floor. That is, as long as no other monster capable of bashing doors tries to cross your barriers.

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What the fuck is this shit
Can't tell if this is a mage or melee fighter
What do I even put points into

>The amulet "Plog" {Spirit rN+ Dex+2 Slay+3}
>found on D:2
>2 rings of magical power found on D:3

So does this mean I'll be dead by D:10?

>>123945504
>Tome
Don't do this.

>>123945716
Only if you're extremely shit at crawl. You essentially have 25+ HP from plog.

>>123945830
Yeah he should talk about DCSS instead like all the other plebs

>>123945882
Tome is garbage and barely a roguelike to boot.

>>123946067

i know dude

>>123946067
>turn based
>death = new game
geez yeah its not a roguelike at all

>>123946389
>death = new game
That doesn't sound much like tome.

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>>123946067
>>123946349
What is your favorite roguelike? ITS SHIT

>>123946664
Tome is widely regarded as shit here and ridiculed endlessly. It shouldn't even be in this thread.

>>123945871
>Only if you're extremely shit at crawl
I am.

Besides that though, usually any time I find something halfway decent that early, I die within a few floors.

>>123946770

>roguelikes
>not shit

>>123946770
Same goes for DCSS yet it is still here

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>>123946770
Why can't we post roguelikes that we enjoy instead of endlessly shitting on what other people like? You don't define yourself by what you dislike, do you?

>>123947170
>You don't define yourself by what you dislike, do you?
who was that guy who talked about this shit agaon

>>123917984
Why do I always have to remind you we're at page 10
You're a big boy now /rlg/
You gotta learn to check your page count yourself!

>>123948064
Not now DAD! I'm farming puddings in nethack. Its something that a simpleton like you couldn't possibly hope to understand. I can't possibly be bothered to remember something so simple as to post when I'm doing something that requires my upmost focus. On your way out, bring me some pizza pockets and take these plates to the sink.

WOAH
THE ToME IS BAD MEME HAS STARTED AGAIN

meanwhile they play DCSS

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>>123917984
>loss

>>123948395
Didnt know DCSS had a non rogue like mode

>>123948618
yeah, it's the whole game

>>123921679
the prettiest autodestroyer

>OWH has seeds, save games and item transfer
why is it considered a roguelike again?

WOAH
THE DCSS IS BAD MEME HAS STARTED AGAIN

meanwhile they play ADoM

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>>123927284
Omedetou!

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>>123948670
>>123948395
>>123946770
Is this what we're doing tonight? We're arguing?

>>123948702

because its not tome

>>123931810
Huh. That actually looks kinda fun.

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>>123927284
Gz anon!

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>mfw /rlg/ gets cranky AGAIN because anons are too tired to play their roguelikes and so instead just complain about those posted by others

>>123928990
congrats on your first roguelike win!

>>123934180
and congrats on some consistent back to back mobile phone nethack wins! wtf

>>123931810
Looks cool and bit stupid but we will see how will it turn out

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>LQ as fuck spriggan on HQ wasp
BRAVO TODD

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>>123948851
No, fuck that. We're playing vidya.

>>123948939
What a happy loli

>>123948702
yeah, why is brogue considered roguelike?

Is rogue a roguelike?

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>>123949117
you should keep an amulet of antimagic to put on before killing a blood curse unique (all the amberite lords)

some of the blood curse effects are fucking brutal. you got lucky this time.

>>123948618
Felid

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alright cerebov you dumb slut, have at it

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>>123949117
>Ahhatatatatata
No shit, does that really show up in the message log? I have to try a monk once I get to playing new poscheng.

>>123949170
rogue is rogue, not rogueLIKE

>>123949213
That's not me, that's one of the splash screens for PCB

>>123949170
is Adam a human?

so is DCSS a roguelike-like? a procedural death labyrinth game? a true roguelike?

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too easy, killed him in 5 hits

and people still say you should go DEX on transmuters

>>123949595
Turn based hack and slash

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>>123949117
>ahahattatatatatatat
Sounds like some spooky skeleton laugh
>What a happy loli
Dont sexualize akari!

>>123947537
The last psychiatrist, and maybe Zizek

>>123949619
fair enough

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>>123949229
>>123949617
>78 str
>5 hits
Youre like that anon from few threads back who killed cerebov in 3 or 4 hits

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GEEEEET FUCKED

>>123946896
>wow, what great gear!
>fuck it, I usually die anyways after I find great gear
>reckless abandon increases

>>123951079
It's not so much that as it is

>oh man some useful shit
>oh look 3 ogres and a hill giant on the stairs of D:4

It's constantly raining in Cata. For fucks sake.

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I fucking love killing dragons in the mountains. Easiest XP ever.

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Yeek+Roguelike mode

this is not going to be easy

>>123951895
>this is not going to be easy
>TOME
Haha

>>123951895
>Yeek archemage
>this is not going to be easy
It's not like that class has a gorrilion damage shields or anything

>>123952191
not the first 5 levels in which you die

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>>123952051
>Zazzerpuss the skeleton archer pins her Dud
>Zazzerpuss the skeleton archer slows her Dud
>Zazzerpuss the skeleton archer hits her Dud with a ranged critical strike!
Being a yeek is asking for a nice cuddly corner 1hko from your friendly neighborhood archer unique.

>>123952304
Im more afraid of the fucking rocks thrower

DONE, got killed by a rare in 2 hits.

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PANIC

>>123953549
Wtf is that blue prism on the left?

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>>123953549
>New disco shoals, with a new qt siren who won't dance with you
Seriously though, that is an odd graphical foible.

>>123953730
>disco shoals
That sounds pretty cool

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love this feel

>>123953549
HE COMES

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>breaths don't regen MP for RK anymore

Such is the burden of the meme knight

Trying poschengband.
Can i learn skill from any book or im stuck to craft magic if i started with it?
Also how to get rid of being cursed?

>>123954930
buy and read scroll of remove curse

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dam son

>>123955670
dazzling spray and just go stabbitystabstabstab

>>123955914
I'm an As because I just never know what to train as a caster
I chugged potion of resistance and took them one by one in a corridor easily

>>123955965
>I'm an Ass
don't be so hard on yourself, anon.

Alternatively you could have poisoned them to death.

>>123955670
>Przechwytywanie.png
you're just stringing letters together at this point, you can't fool me polandball

>AAAAA's ghost
dude fuck off it's literally second time in a row I have to deal with your bullshit lad baka

>Lair entrance on D:11
>guarded by Snorg, which is my first time meeting this unique, gorillion rats, alligators, Maurice and a wraith
just

>>123956359
come again if you get a bloax or 4tharra ghost on every second floor with their stupid chei evasion

>>123956359
I imagine meeting snorg is a lot like fighting a juggernaut.
I wouldn't know, because I've never made it past snorg to a juggernaut.

>wands and staves don't stack no more

>>123956396
I just stepped on a tele trap despite being extremely stealthy (it influence trap detection right?)
and i teleported me into the middle of that hell
I guess I'm rushing for lair entrance and never coming back

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pls no terrible things in Lair:1

>>123945393
Don't forget hummerhorns or whatever the fuck they were called.
I'm still confused from fighting them and I haven't played PCB in months.

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>>123956568
fun

ghosts worshiping the same god as a player should not be hostile

>>123956786
Too "NetHacky", just like angels being friendly to TSO worshipers.

Does armour give penalties to spellcasting in PCB?

>>123956716
What's the ghost description? Some ghosts are pushovers, some are murder machines.

>>123957445
no.

>>123956716
>Mace, shield, hat, heavy armor
>Probably MiFi ghost

rip

>>123957487
it was something something of dith
it had almost maxed out AC so I stayed away

I died to a hydra a few hundred turns later anyway, losing +10 long sword with some resistances and distort, +5 evasion ring and +4 slaying

fucking hell it was such a great run

>>123957521
What about gloves. It says my hands feel unsuitable for spellcasting when I wear those.

>>123957580
are you a pure spellcaster? That happens with sorcerers I'm sure.
What's your class?

>>123957567
>Hydra
>long sword

Did you expect it to go differently? Podes have no AC, hydras are like blenders to them. Tele that shit on sight.

>>123957616
High Mage.

>>123957642
yeah, those too. Don't wear gloves.

>>123957625
Yeah I'm a scrub, I got overconfident because Lair 1 was actually super easy up until meeting that hydra and I though - hey, if that comodo dragon got one shotted by a tear in reality, maybe I could try hydra
then it hit me like a truck, I tried to run away instead of teleporting and it turned out to be quicker than me so I died

lesson learned

what are fun Mu non-casters?
inb4 Mo

>>123957794
wizard of sif that branches into whatever spell schools rng provides

>>123957794
gladiator staff start of gozag

>>123957903
>non-casters
>wizard of sif

So another question, on PCB my magic missiles sometimes show as like, flying bolts(?) and sometimes as more solid beams. Is this actually something?

>>123957737
You were playing OpAs, right? Couple quick tips.

1) get out of trouble before you're in trouble, always. When a Hydra is next to you and you're at half health isnt when you read tele. It's well before then. Don't be afraid to burn consumables. Better to use something that can save your life when you don't need it, than die with items that could have saved you in your bag.

2) Assassin is all about that blowgun. Poisoned needles turn threatening melee brutes into kited wusses. Curare needles will trivalize almost every threat through midgame. Blowguns use throwing, as do javelins and throwing nets, which also make scary enemies into chumps.

>>123957794
>inb4 Mo
Embrace the pain anon, you know you want to.

You must be a masochist or you wouldn't be here.

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oh no

this is bad

>>123957794
Try artificier or assassin. Or Chaos Knight, depending on your definition of fun.

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oh god thank you

>>123958134
>Or Chaos Knight, depending on your definition of fun.
This guy gets it.

>>123958092
They'll still spawn hostile some of the time. Probably depends on your charisma.

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So do these niggas never go away?
Is there any disadvantage to having a billion of them?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkox8x1LxQ4

Latest angband oook.cz competition is up.
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=182
Bad timing though.

what's a good roguliek with a nice tileset?

>>123958634
>Her biggest pet peeve is being reduced to an anime sex symbol in fan renditions of her story.
yeah no, I'm playing PCB now.
terrible timing indeed

I am kinda stuck in ADOM endgame as Gray elf duelist
I am level25 and cleared almost everything already, except for super scary shit like bug temple and greater undead vault I got in D46. Where the fuck do I level until Filk Quest? This is gonna need some obscene amount of grinding in cavernous levels of CoC or something

Is there a way to check how taxing my summons are on my mana regen in PCB?

>>123959323
Should be under the "p"ets menu, shouldn't it?

>>123931810
In all honesty I appreciate the effort but this property doesn't look like it'll do anything. You generally don't swap items in crawl unless they are rings or it involves an upgrade, in which case the old item might as well not exist anymore. And for rings you just play swapping games with the other slot.

>>123959607
Not that I can see.

>>123954930
Yes, you're generally stuck with the spell school/schools you picked at start.
If you play a monster caster like a Lich or Beholder, you get spells as you level up and can't use books at all.

>black market sells ring of +7 speed for a measly 600 K $$$

what a great thing is to be a dosh knight

>>123957939
>gladiator staff start
absolutely terrible. there is no possible scenario when starting with qstaff is not inferior

>>123959323
pls help

>>123960451
Qstaff is like the best weapon start of any background along with blowgun though.

>>123960931
I don't think there is.
In any case mana regen isn't important as long as it's ticking up, not down.
You wouldn't regen mana in combat anyway, and outside combat you just rest and regen it all.
Really anon, it's not a big deal.

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what the FUCK?

Is this on depth?

>>123961000
Deathswords can generate on D:1
I mean they're broken daggers then but still. They're never out of depth.

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Slowly but surely.

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Whoa. Might have to try a Rodmaster after this.

>>123961371
>15d8
that's babby tier.

>>123960949
staves are abysmally rare to find on the dungeon. there are only two weapon types outside of enhancer staves and monsters are highly biased against generating with a branded or positively enchanted quarterstaff. not only would you be lucky to find a lajatang before spriggans, there are only two pre lair uniques guaranteed to spawn with a quarter staff and one of them is chaos branded. staves is a skill best raised in the mid game after having already found a lajatang. if you start the game with staves expect to find no weapon upgrades until then.

>>123961572
Quarterstaff will carry you through early-mid game and later you can just acquire a laj or whatever. In practice, you will find your upgrade in time pretty much always.

The benefit of that is that you start with a base damage 10 weapon that also has exceptional accuracy.

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>statue drains half my toughness in exchange for a piece of green glass
>no morgia in big room
>can't go into pyramid because using mindcraft on the undead kills you

ABACUS!

>>123961826
>base dmg 10
>scimitar have 12
>flails have 10
great start

>>123961480
It's pretty good for a chaos bolt with how common it is.
>>123961572
Nigga he's worshipping Gozag. As soon as he sets down his weapon shop he's almost guaranteed to get an upgrade.

>>123961979
>scimitar have 12
You don't start with a scimitar. Long swords have 10 base damage too. Qt staves are more accurate than either flails or long swords and also are faster.

>>123961826
quarterstaff doesn't carry anyone, a dagger of venom or a whip or elec can carry you. you will find upgrades before a scroll of acquirement 99% of the time. a flail of protection or dire flail from orcs, a great sword from wights or a likely positively enchanted scimitar before that also from wights. pretty much every weapon type gets minor but important upgrades as they go through the early dungeon floors, even spears are more likely to get a glaive from an orc warrior than a laj floor drop. don't even get me fucking started about all the uniques that spawn with great weapons, an area in which staves are also shafted.

But quarterstaff starts dont even get a long sword / flail
they get a falchion and mace

>>123962239
>quarterstaff doesn't carry anyone, a dagger of venom or a whip or elec can carry you
I don't agree. Whip of elec is great, but you don't find it in every game. Having a great weapon on D:1/2/3 is really, really good. It's a great boost for weaker chars. Obviously for something like a Minotaur you might just want to get a war axe (the best base dam starting weapon nowadays) and hold tab.

>>123961943
>statue drains half my toughness in exchange for a piece of green glass

Oh adom.

>>123962392
if all you wanted was d:1 strength you'd get a rapier which lets you train the superior short blades skill which has as a general rule better apts and also sets you up for stabbing with invis or hexes further down the road, and is better at making sure you won't get lethally poisoned by an adder.

>>123962574
>if all you wanted was d:1 strength you'd get a rapier which lets you train the superior short blades skill
How are short blades superior?
>is better at making sure you won't get lethally poisoned by an adder
What? Why?

Anyway, I just don't agree with you. It's okay. Whatever.

>>123957952
If I remember correctly, if it's a solid beam, it means it penetrates all enemies in it's path.
Haven't played poscheng for a while though, so I could be wrong

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>Devs not mentioning BIG BLACK COCKS by name

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>123962645
short blades is superior because there are actually weapons of the weapon school to be found while exploring the dungeon, and you can swing them at 0.5 delay very soon after finding them.

rapier has more accuracy and swings faster while also giving you a shitty unarmed offhand attack once in a while so you get to throw a lot of shitty dice at the adder while you pray one of them hits it.

>>123962898
Offhand punch is really bad though, and rapier has bad damage compared to any tier 2 starter. Still probably an okay option due to accuracy (but it's only 1 less acc than qt staff).

>>123962707
now slap the orb of zot on the face of the white kid

How exactly do i play a wizard in nethack? I've tried a few times but the early game always kills me

>>123963013
offhand punch can and will hit adders for 30% of their hp because they have shit hp and great ev and it basically makes it harder to miss a hundred times in a row while the adder get to hit and poison you every single turn. rapier is the strongest weapon to have in d:1 unless you're an ogre or something.

>>123963129
I should prob run some fsims later, I guess.

>>123962707
Isn't that the greatest victory though?

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About to be some deicide. Maybe.

>>123963846
ascend and become the high fedoramancer

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Glad they changed the guardian of icky caves. Still an annoying asshole though.

>>123963846
The Invisible Pink Unicorn is such an awful cunt. Not as annoying as some other unicorn, but pretty bad.

>>123964016
>Glad they changed the guardian of icky caves
but ubbo has been the guardian for years.

>>123964179
It says right there that I slew The Incredible Hulk.

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HERE GOES NOTHING

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>>123964319

>>123964464
What? If you don't like the Mad Hatter being the new guardian of the icky caves, take it up with Chris. Personally I find that the Astro-Zombie is a lot less annoying than Ubbo.

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>>123964593

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>>123963927
In this moment, I am euphoric.

I am also dual wielding a pair of nunchucks and a katana so my character is pretty much the ultimate edgelord.

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Time to ditch this level.

>>123965420
>Guildmaster
What class?

>>123963287

How so?

>Taking off a amulet of regeneration now causes rot

:(

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does the game stops of being just "click left to kill"?
it's getting boring, if I played like this ToME I would have already died

>>123966626
Check out the troll race addon for ToME and become the embodiment of rip and tear.

>>123966626
>D:3
>already bored

You must play real slow.

Death, or Craft for a Vampire Rogue in poscheng?

I've done Trump before and have had a great time early game summoning tons of spiders, but I want to try something different.

>>123966847
Do Death.

god damn is new gozag strong. if implo was alive today he'd play nothing but gozag.

>>123966626
>yfw o button
>yfw tab button

>>123967324
o button I know

tab not yet

>>123967324
jesus
this fucking "game"

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>>123967472
Be accursed by this knowledge I bestow upon thee.

>>123966626
>plays o-tab the Tabber
>complains about o-tabbing

Lmao throw ruk

>>123966626
>does the game stops of being just "click left to kill"?
>click left
>click
Please no bully

>>123967306
rip in piece implo

hope they catch the killer

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So Shieldmasters can't attack in PCB?

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Getting swole

Does PCB have tiles?

>>123946770
>DCSS is widely regarded as shit here and ridiculed endlessly. It shouldn't even be in this thread.

What exactly does the "the weight of your equipment encumbers your movement" message in PCB mean? My stealth, speed, and number of blows remain unchanged so I'm not sure what the point of the message is.

>>123969236
No.
>>123970168
Check your mana.

>>123970557
>No.
But how am I going to play with /rlg/ like this >:(

>>123970670
There are but I don't want to see you posting your screenshots of that shit.

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what the fuck are you doing here, george takei

>>123971639
Go home infra arcana you're drunk.

>tfw really like the roguelike genre
>but ascii makes my eyes hurt
If I play ascii games for long enough will I get used to it

>>123972514
Yeah. I started with DCSS tiles, moved on to Brogue, then started playing *bands in ASCII. Now when I play DCSS I do it in ASCII.

How are necromancers in PosCheng? Easy enough to get to midgame at least?
I've played NetHack, SLASH'EM, DC:SS and a bit of ToME. I know the very basics of PosCheng but know fuck all in terms of what monsters are good/badd.

If necro is easy, is it viable to rely on summons most times or do summons not kill things out of your LoS?

>>123972514
Yes.
Give it five years.
I don't know, I have no issue with ASCII, but that's maybe because I used to play ASCII games some years ago, and roguelikes are an old genre.
Spend some time with a computer that can only run Windows 95 and you'll be fine.
ASCII is only a "feature" of roguelikes because the first games of the genre were made when graphics weren't really a thing or were just an absolute pain in the ass.
If the genre developed years later, there would be no tiles whining today.

>>123973170
I wouldn't play summoners other than Q's in Poscheng because you only get like a third of XP from their kills and you need to last-hit uniques.
It's a pain in the ass and not worth it.
Q's are just peachy though, you get full XP from pet kills (you don't have melee attacks anyway) and your pets kill uniques fine.
Titans are alright because you can kill things fine by yourself to get to 50 and then you don't care about XP, so you can spam pets.

How can you display the time in poscheng?
It's sorta important when playing a vampire.

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>>123973531
And of course, how could I forget to mention.
Titans can get babbles

>>123972514
I used to be the same and playing Incursion for around half an hour made me realize I was being silly.

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IDA is still considered subpar, right?

>>123974993
Does it still give you rF-?

>>123975056
Yes and I guess that answers the question.

>do labyrinth
>encounter like 7 hungry ghosts
FUCK

>>123974993
Just get a chainmail rC+ if you need cold resist on your body slot for some reason

Is adom beatable without spoilers

>>123976972
Give it a go and find out

>>123977423
But everyone is making fun of me for playing without healing and literacy

>>123975324
Who the fuck cares?
Just eat a ration or two.

At this point even the food in crawl is bloat, give how plentiful it is and how there is no weigth anymore.
Removal soon.

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>>123963129
>>123963174
Okay, so I did some fsimming and it seems like qt staff is better than both rapier and long sword as a starting weapon.

Also, you don't actually get off-hand punch unless you either have claws or UC, and if your UC is low the chance of it happening it is very slim.

>>123977584
It still acts as a anti scum mechanism

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>>123977514
Berserker and beastmasters don't need literacy, why should you?

>>123977786
What about flail
And is there even a background that can choose quarterstaff and tier 2 starts instead of tier 1?

>>123977805
i would honestly rather see ood timer buffed the fuck up because this game is seriously lacking in clocks

>>123977938
>What about flail
Flail is literally a longsword with 1 less accuracy. I guess I could've tested with a war axe (11 damage, wow!) but eh.

>And is there even a background that can choose quarterstaff and tier 2 starts
Gladiator. All the tests were done on a HuGl in 0.17.

>>123977786
Yeah, the advantage of short blades as a starting weapon is that you occasionally get some free kills on sleeping monsters. Probably they fare better against the low tier weapons, where hand axe is awful and spear is literally a short sword that trades stabbing for reach. Stabbing's better.

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>>123977786
>>123978054
Actually fuck it, here's the war axe. Doesn't outperform qt staff despite better damage because of its terrible accuracy.

>>123978894
>axe start is actually the best 1h despite the terrible skill requirements
when the fuck did that happen

>>123979187
It's worse vs. an adder.

>>123978894
Actually hm, war axe acc isn't even that bad, it's +0 vs. long sword's +1. Rapier is +4, qt staff is +3. Flail is +0 too.

so basically DCSS is a worse and easier ToME

>>123979930
Exactly.

No one was going to mention dragon fin soup is a buggy, poorly explained, more obfuscated cross between dungeons of dredmor and FATE designed by autists?
Thanks /rlg/, I mean... Thanks.

>>123979965
what would you recommend to play which is not either?

>>123980069
Real games like League of Legends.

>>123980050
>dragon fin soup

[???]

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>mdw I play draconians so I can fuck people up as a ghost if I die post-lvl 7

>>123980050
I literally said just that after playing it a few threads ago.
Guess you missed it, nignog-kun.
>>123980069
Depends what you like. *bands, *hacks, even ADoM. Elona probably.
You'll have to spend a lot of time with those though, unlike with DCSS. So be prepared for that.

>>123974103
How'd that guy get a pet babble as a titan anyway? I thought Babbles were immune to everything except poison needle.

>>123979187
i don't know. axes used to be meme weapons.

>>123980254
I'm that guy.
You spam "summon monster" on a low floor and eventually you'll get it.
Turns out it's not a unique.

>>123980152
>Real games like League of Legends

If I wanted to play a game made by Devs that have no clue what they're doing and actively ruin my fun, I'd play DCSS.

>>123957678

That shit happens with Chaos Warriors, iirc.

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Ok two questions.

One, why is this even in the game?

Two, do you instantly die if it breaks from a monsters cold attack while it's next to you?

>>123981362
Because it's a real roguelike and not a generic roguelite piece of garbage.

how do i get good? i just got fucked at lair 1 as deep dwarf warrior with TSO. i wanted to become paladin and convert claymore to holy weapon
iam not sure if its even possible to go that far with such cheeky build

>>123968698

Do you have a melee weapon equipped?

>>123981590
>how do i get good?

Practice.

>i just got fucked at lair 1 as deep dwarf warrior with TSO.

DD is a good class to learn the game with. However Mak and Trog are much better than TSO at this stage of the game.

>convert claymore to holy weapon
iam not sure if its even possible to go that far with such cheeky build

It's very possible to win with TSO exclusive DD. It is just very hard.

>>123981590

Maybe change your pace? No, this is not a thinly veiled "Go Chei or go home" post. Perhaps you are playing too recklessly?

Are Digger Weaponmaster as bad as they seem?

>>123981590
DD^TSO is hard. Try Minotaur or Hill Orc.

>>123981870
could be, iam trying to clear every floor, and when i struggle, i go a floor down and then come back. maybe i should learn to run
>>123981856
thanks man, ill practice

>>123981982
There was someone who did a pretty successful tonton run as a shovelmaster a while back.
It's definitely doable, but your job isn't really to run around thwocking things with shovels either.

>DCSS
>First few floors are difficult and you have to make the most of out the consumables you find

>ADoM
>first hour is just running into things and you cant even use your consumables

Why do people hate DCSS again

>can't use blood spray as a ranged attack in pcb 4.0 anymore

Fuck

>>123982453
Please just cease your shitposting.

>>123957445
>>123957580
>Does armour give penalties to spellcasting in PCB?
only gloves, unless they have free action or a dexterity bonus

>>123957952
yeah bolt spells sometimes beam, more likely the higher level you are relative to the spell

>>123968698
you need to buy a dagger or something, once you reach level 10 you'll get the shield bash ability

>>123969201
chris really needs to fix the meme knight sell exploit hory shet

>>123981362
not sure about the cold explosion, never had that happen before. There's also a potion of detonations which usually kills you but it only does absurd damage, whereas the potion of death actually just kills you.

when should i pick chei

>>123982764
Never.

Chei is probably okay on races like Troll and Centaur, something that has easy time in early game and could use better stats.

>>123982764
Always

>>123982490

Nigga what?

>>123982854
>Centaur
>The gofast race
>Chei
why