/civ4xg/ - Civilization/4x Games General

I love you, /civ4x/. Even if you have the will to live of a 6 years old girl with leukemia

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>>123578552
second for best civ

>>123579089
We love you too anon.

Is Endless Legend worth buying? How about DLCs? Or should I just pirate it or not bother with it at all?

>>123584059
It's on sale right now. All DLCs are worth it.

>>123584413
Does the company behind Endless Legend do Complete Editions?

Civ5 is a screaming deal at $12.50 complete with tons of available mods, instead of over $100 over 3 years dealing with bugs.

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>>123586503
Theres the endless legend collection for $20, which is definitely worth it.

Unrelated note is dungeon of the endless discussion allowed here or no because its not a 4x?

>>123586503
Yes, EL complete is a 20 bucks right now.

>>123586921
No mate, if we talk about DotE the general will go too fast

Sure it is

>>123584413
How worth it m8? I've played the hell outta civ and also mainly play grand strategy games now, so would the $20 be worth?

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>>123587081
How the fuck do I git gud at this game then? Because the furthest i've goten was floor 8ish but everything just started kicking my ass. And I had no weapon drops or shit. I at least unlocked a new character Elise, who seems neat.

>>123587298
Legend is probably the best 4x i've played in a long while. There are some issues with it but my biggest (bad AI) was recently improved with a major patch. Each faction plays fairly differently so no two feel the same. Music is possibly some of the best i've heard in a vidya in a long time.

>>123587298
quirky but fun in its own right.
>endgame is steamrolling with doomstacks
>ai is dumb
Other than that its pretty gud...

>>123587521
Create death corridors with slow modules and claymores. Use your heroes as living sentries when you dont have enough dust, not operating for a few turns is better than getting another wave of monsters. Spend all your dust before leaving a floor if a merchant accepts dust, its a great way to get cheap stuff.

So I got EL complete. What should I expect?

Is Gal Civ 3 worth buying yet/have they fixed the game enough for it to be worth paying money for?

>>123590461
Comfy.

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>Amplitude's faces when this general since wednesday

>>123590290
I see. I've mostly been trying to do with prisoner prods and upgrading modules through science. but later on it gets hard. I lost my old group and now I have the scientist dude, Elisa, the medic, and I can now recruit the pokemon trainer knockoff but I have no idea how she works. Just trying to slowly grind through floors.

Every medic i've found wants food or has shit items.

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>Moving out to settle land near gold and sugar
>Run into Austria
>well there goes the city states
>gets pissed at my settling
>bitch I'm 8 tiles away from your borders (at the time)
>whatever I'm sorry this has come between us blah blah blah
>bitch literally settles between my two cities
>"hey um maybe don't do that?"
>"HAHA NO YOU HAVE MUCH TO LEARN ABOUT DIPLOMACY MY FRIEND."
>bitch i'm going to shove my diplomacy right up your ass
>forces me to spend gold to expand and buy the sugar before she gets it.
>might force me to do the same with that gold
It's even worse that if I declare war on her right now I might be able to take Lodz with the siege imma start building next turn.

But if I do that every other civ is going to see me as a warmonger

If I wait for her to declare war she's going to out manufacture and steamroll me

>>123591442
merchant I mean not medic

>>123591742
You've met only two civs, so it's okay to DoW.

>>123592234
Oh shit, really?

Time to crush Lodz beneath my heel then, tired of having to travel around it through hills and forest.

>only way I can not lose to AI in Endless Legend is by playing on newbie

>>123594725
Well thats a good thing.

>>123596138
good that he's a scrub or good that it's not ezmodo?

>>123596342
That the AI can now handle itself. ES2 will be glorious.

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>>123596421
I have my doubts desu senpai

>still long non-interactive cutscene combat
>no multifleet combat
>maneuvers (still blind) instead of cards

the democracy voting stuff looks very nice though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ci5vQ0Snc

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>>123597031
...is that a craver pacifist?

>>123597031
I have faith in them. I mean, its their next huge project, so they probably thought it through and through. Plus we will be able to tell them how much its shit during Early access if need be.

>>123597652
Nah, its a new minor faction

>>123597652
They're at war with the cravers so I guess that would make sense.

What does civ think of the Community Balance Patch? If anyone's using it, who seems like the new Poland, or is Poland still the "that guy" civ of the game?

>>123599803
It literally didn't change anything to Poland, aside from UB yields.

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>he cant keep his thread up during a massive sale edition

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>Playing CBP as America.
>Cotton as far as the eye can see.
>Shoshone are neighbors.
>Fuck.
>Aggressively forward settle them until I've got 5 cities versus their 2.
>Hope they'll be my only problem for the game.
>Other people on my continent are Korea, England, and Austria.

>Medieval Era

>Best friends with Austria after I helped save her from Korea.
>Completely wipe out Korea from the game because he refused to negotiate peace after DOWing me.
>Austria DOWs me soon after because she thinks I'm a warmongerer.
>I hate war and usually go for culture/science.
>End up vassaling Austra after a one sided war she couldn't handle.
>Everyone considers me a warlord at this point.
>End up vassaling England because she DOWs me soon after.
>Could easily finish the Shoshone and have the continent to myself, but decide to leave them alone because I'm TRYING to be the good guy.

Industrial Era.
>Iroquois created the world congress allowing me to meet everyone. After some exploring, I realize Japan has only 2 cities and is crazy far behind on tech. Iroquois are stable, Russia is stable, Germany doesn't exist because China wiped him from history, and China has 15 cities vs my 12, 660 pop vs my 340, and 11 more techs than me.

>Info Era
>Everyone but China has fought me, and I pray the whole game for China not to get involved.
>Planned culture victory compromised because China has too much culture to influence.
>Domination impossible to do in time.
>Manage to buy and steal enough techs to only be 2 techs behind China, but SV is still unlikely.
>Her score is in the 7000s while I'm in the 4000s, so TV isn't happening.
>Only hope is Diplomacy.
>Manage to reach globalization on turn 243, 7 turns before the game is over.
>Gives me 4 extra votes in the world congress, meaning instead of having 44 out of 45 votes, I get 48, and win on turn 245.

>tfw 2 turns of scrambling for science allowed me to barely scrap out a victory.
>tfw China would've gotten a Scientific Victory 3 turns later.

>>123602385
>>123599803
CPB is great, but really fucks around with other mods. I can't even use Really Advanced Set Up properly.

>>123602385
>Completely wipe out Korea from the game because he refused to negotiate peace after DOWing me.
There is a cooldown on peace negotiation after you capture a city. Just because cities have lower strength doesn't mean you have to grab them all.
Also there is a warscore mechanic, once it reaches 70+, the civ will sign a peace treaty.

>>123603228
Thanks for that info. I never really understood how warscores worked.

Picked up Endless Legend on sale, would anyone be interested in trying to get some multiplayer set up?

Drop some steam profiles or something kty

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>>123590997
But it keeps dying all the time.

Why thread is so dead

>>123605971
Because we only have 19 people posting right now. Give it some time, sooner or later, the rest of the posters will slip on in.
Also the only thing we consistently talk about is how dead the thread is rather than any other topic.

>>123605971
Busy playing games.

>>123603725
less than usual at least

>>123602385
Notice, what difficulty are you on? I love stories like this

Any of you guys have any good space 4X game reccomendations along with some pros and cons? Only been playing 4X for about three months, only ones I've played so far are Civ 5, Endless Legend and Endless Space.

>>123605971
Everyone is playing their new games from the sale

>>123609035
I used to play so many space 4x games trying to find the perfect one and then I found Distant Worlds Universe and I haven't gotten tired of it yet.

Pros:
>complex economy
>many races with unique victory conditions
>private sector (transport freighters, migration) runs itself
>big tech tree
>pre-warp start (if you want
>immigration policies (choose to deport, enslave for an economic boost, or exterminate alien races on your planets)

Cons:
>2d graphics (I like them though, they have a certain charm)
>ship design is just a list of parts, can be difficult

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>>123609726
you forgot

cons: game plays itself

I do like the bit where you start out with slow rockets and can't even go past your starting system, that's missing in far too many space 4x

>you will never have the talent to make a space 4x of your own

>>123609006
5. I usually play around 7 in the normal version, but apparently CBP messes with difficulty so that Level 1 was the comparatively new Level 4, or at least, that's what they said in the update notes. so I dialed it down a bit.

I'd hate to see what the new level 8 is like, because this was a fucking nightmare by the endgame. Or maybe I just had some really bad luck with the AI and this difficulty isn't as bad as it seems.

>>123610074
The only thing I automate is taxes.

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#justcultthings

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>TFW you haven't really played a game or bought a game since the start of the sale
>TFW you have a cart total of $100 but haven't pulled the trigger since a lot of it is questionable, like pinball tables
>TFW you're considering ignoring most of the Steam sale and just buying Thea and Conquest of Elysium 4 and playing strategy games

On the bright side I'll fill out my EL DLC. Eventually. Once I finally order something.

>>123610856
It's like metastasized cancer on a planetary scale.

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>>123610856
>Nyaegor

>>123615279
never noticed that, kek

>Get a nice, super defensible start as the Inca
>Neighbour is Nobunaga
>He declares war on me on turn 96
>Kill all the units he sends to me
>Turn 210
>I have gatling guns with range and logistics
>Taken a city and even more territory with numerous great generals
>Nobunaga still won't make peace
You know, Bushido might be a garbage UA, but when the AI gets to pump out units twice as quickly, it's not bad. And by that I mean unbelievably annoying. Like on equal footing, Iklwa is fairly strong, but completely useless to the AI who barely pays any gold to begin with.

Is Endless Legends worth it?

>>123619563
Yes.

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Do I buy the classic, emperor or endless edition of Endless Legend on Steam?
Is it like CIv 5 where you need the expansions to get the best experience?

how do I not be shit at these kinds of games? I'm always way behind the AI.

>>123620558
I wouldn't say they're quite civ 5 levels of required but they sure are nice to have.

>>123621901
What difficulty do you usually play on, because with anything past 4, the AI begins to get free technologies.

>>123626034
Normal.

>>123626061
Scum it up.
Steal any and all technologies you can. Even if you have the same number or more techs than someone else, chances are, they may know something you don't.
Don't be afraid to move your starting settler during the first turn or two. Settling on hills is good for early production, and settling on resources gives you their yields immediately, though you won't be able to improve them.
I'd recommend a start by building at least one Scout because ruins are the best thing for a budding civ. Heck, I usually build 2.
Population is king. Always go for internal trade routes to pump your cities when possible.
Designate what cities are for what. Usually, I leave my capital for wonders because it tends to have the most production, my second and third city for military production, and the fourth for misc.
Pay civs, especially strong but not too strong warmongering civs, to attack each other. The longer civs squabble, the farther they fall behind.
Even if you have to go out of your way to do it, complete any city state quest you can. Allies giv great benefits.
Barbarian Encampments never spawn where you can see, so a good field of vision with scouts is important. Also, use scouts to spy on enemies.
To help seem like less of a warmongerer to your peers, see if they'd like to participate in wars.
Settle around jungles when you can, but make sure you still have production tiles. Jungles make great money/science tiles in the late game.
Also look for mountains. Observatories are really good.
That's all I really got. Also, don't be afraid to be a piece of shit on people you know are weaker then you, but don't make it a habit unless you're a warlord.

>>123627090
>>123626061
A couple of other scumming tips.
Unless you have MODS that stop this, you can declare war on city-states, and make peace on the same turn. Use this to get free workers if they're close.
It'll make you look bad, but if you can't bribe someone to go to war for you, you can always promise to go to war with them, and do absolutely nothing when it happens but turtle. Better yet, if they go to war prematurely before the 10 turn promise, just refuse when it's supposed to happen, in fact, go to war with them, and turn it into a 2 v 1.
While I'm at it, go to war with losing civs, especially civs with cities that are about to be taken. I remember once, I casually took a city from Denmark, because my Scout was strolling by his territory during an attack.

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Anybody else only play as America?

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>>123628792
I mostly play modded Civ 5.

90% of the time I play some weeb civ, usually a Neptunia one.
If I'm not in the mood for weebing it up then I usually play as Rhodesia.

>>123620558
i would buy the classic if you're unsure you would like it
its a good 4x though, so if you're already comparing it to civ, you'll most likely enjoy it for at least several playthroughs, and the dlc will only add to that number of plays

otherwise buy the bundle, its the most any of it has gone on sale, and some of the content in it is only on sale that much bundled, specifically the new two, echoes of auriga and lost tales

Why isn't a Lake in a desert considered flood plain

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>>123628792
I use America as a default when testing mods, so I main them by association.
mfw being able to buy opponent tiles in CBP
mfw buying off Great Person Tile improvements, Natural Wonders, and important resources through a combination of forward settling, buying inward, and sending Great Generals into bought land so they can steal even more land.
Manifest Destiny baby.

>>123630517
because lakes dont flood yearly and give the boon of the nile?
flood plain isn't irrigation, its flood plain
i do see your logic though, most likely its because two tiles interacting with each other, not because of the water itself
it would be like an extra layer of fresh water bonuses

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>>123629948
Good taste


I'm about to get a new CPU after using a nearly decade old AMD so I can finally get back into this with more mods and bigger games and relatively decent turn speeds.

>>123620558
it's not broken without the expansions if thats what you mean

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>try beyond earth demo

It's like Civ V in spess, except with even less personality. At least civ gets to leech off of history, this has fucking nothing, zero.

And there's at least 500% more arbitrary stat boosts and random shit that can happen. it's just a god damn mess of mechanics mish mashed together to form no coherent whole. That indie shitter ripping from Avatar is a million times better than this, and that wasn't too hot.

>there will never be an AC 2/faithful remake

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>right after i chopped it down
wew

Guys. I bought Endless Legend and the game is shit, but why am I having so much fun with it? Is it because it's new and shiny?

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>>123638728
>the game is shit but I'm having fun

>>123639263
I don't understand anon. Why am I having fun? The game is shit.

>forced simultaneous turns
>economy boils down to just buying out everything late-game
>fights take forever to complete

>>123639384
Isn't that the same in Civ? End game you can buy out anything. And you can use autofight

Also
>forced simultaneous turn
Git gud

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>>123639595
>civ 5 is a civ game

Why don't any of you talk about age of wonders 3?

>>123610856
How do I cultist

I played them the first tim today and I thought the concept was fun but I had no idea what I was doing

>>123640286
You try to go all in influence because you will fall behind so fast if you can't get like 5 converted villages by turn 50.

>>123640235
I like the tactical battles and the magical stuff. Shrine of smiting is OP as shit, the story scenarios suck.

>>123640235
I tried to get into it but t he game is mad shit

>>123640329
Do I have to brawl the minor factions and get them that way or through quests

>>123640573
either work for pacifying, it costs twice as much to rebuild a burned down village though, than to convert a quested one
surprisingly, they're less likely to follow your religion, if you kill them all

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rate

>>123640673
Ah okay.How do you keep your town happy? I was running into an unhappiness problem and I don't know if that was from the cultist mechanic or me just being a shit city manager

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>>123640860
That looks painful, and I fucking love mountains.

>>123640917
There's a building every era that boosts approval, abilities you can give to heroes, resource boosters (first menu panel in the top left), wonders and assimilation bonuses from minor factions that can boost approval.

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>>123640860
they won't meet eachother in a million years

>>123640470
Why? I tried playing endless legends because everyone creams themselves over it but I found the combat to be fucking horrible and the civs to be really odd (like why is one of the factions wandering mages? How does that function as a civilization with citizens and shit?). I liked the visuals a lot though.

>>123640917
tech for expansion approval (useless for cultists) and approval buildings
most likely though since you're cultists, its shitty city layout
generally, you want either a line city (straight city, two tiles wide) or a triangle city (a fucking triangle)
heroes can give it also, but thats not as worthwhile, and i believe assimilating eyeless ones gives 5 per

basically, just build your city better. you can have offshoots to work more/better fidsi tiles, but you NEED (cultist specifically) higher level districts, since theirs can go up to level 3

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>>123641041
how painful does this look?

>>123641185
why would a line city be good if you need to surround centers to level them up

>>123641275
it looks extremely painful

>>123641365
for the same reasons its good for every other faction to use line citys?

>>123641275
imagine fighting a war in there
all the choke points where your stacks could be shredded by collateral damage

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>>123641403

for you

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>there's ice at the equator
wew lad

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>>123642345
Implying that's the equator. Implying that isn't the north pole.

>>123641824
>>123642345

civ 4 is just so god damn ugly I couldn't play it

>>123641154
There is no faction of wandering mages. There's a faction of masochist mages and a faction of wandering merchants, but no combination of the two.

Having played both, what I really like about EL is the clearly distinct variety in the playstyles for each civ, while AOW was more shades of difference.

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Simply ebin.

Who's the most crutchful leader if you are playing without friends in multi?

Which civ 4 unit is more powerful in its time, praetorians or bombers?

>>123644653
You deserve it for being a filthy edge-vaulter tbqh

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Haven't been playing any 4x games for a while and just noticed the Forges of Creation update for EL.

How did the AI changes turn out, especially on higher difficulties?
Did the Sisters of Mercy hero end up useful for some role?

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>>123649051
She is quite useful, melee unit + healing is a solid combo.

>>123649051
pretty good, specifically they actually act different.
if i remember some anon linked a forum post where he was watching the local necrophage prey on the weakest players (first him, then vaulters after they launched a failed attack) and that roving clan actually move their cities
shit like that basically
on higher difficulties, i presume the same stuff would translate, but im not personally sure

the hero is... better than expected since she had piss poor voting. The real boost is that sisters themselves have been buffed, so shes not a blatant waste of money in either role

>>123649051
mmm nice tits

up

>>123652107
down

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>>123649924
>>123649924
mizi was here!
valete sapiri kugua is a loser!

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>>123652753
Based Mitzi

Golgi is still best waifu

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>>123640286

With the Cult it's all about influence generation. Early game I'll put points into industry and gold for an economy lead, and use my influence to convert a few easily defensible villages. Empire plans and Boosters are always cheap, so no worries there. Since the Cultists only get one city, it's much easier to micromanage your population to suit your current needs.

As the game goes on I'll switch more population to influence for converting, and build up at least two mobile armies for holy war purposes. From there on it's war with every other empire, peace is no longer an option. Then just convert infidels to your heart's desire.

That particular game was on Hard, so I can't speak much for higher difficulties. And speaking of Cultists, are these guys cyborgs or what?

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>>123652859
>Golgi
>not based waifu of property damage

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>>123653051
>And speaking of Cultists, are these guys cyborgs or what?

They're sentient artificial being created by the endless to do physical work and potentially convert local populations whose personality/behavior is partly imprinted by their queen's mind who has been somewhat malfunctioning lately.

>>123653173
Good taste, all three of them are top tier along with Lady Joleri.

>>123653051
Robots

>>123653248
>>123653251

Is this explained in their faction quest? I've never been able to finish it simply because everyone else is wiped out before I can.

so uh, is it advised to split up your scouting party at the beginning? broken lords met my guys in a neutral field and fucking ate them

whats the most bitchmode fuck you victory and why is it diplomatic
2 of the 3 times i played civ5 online someone got a lone island start and did nothing all game while everyone else was having fun racing for wonders, tech, and wars then all of a sudden they win by diplomacy at around turn 400 because they bought out votes

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Where can I torrent EL? Every torrent I find is some super sketchy installer loaded with viruses and whatnot.

>>123664027
If you know that's going to happen then cooperate with other players and dow on him so he can't buy them.
I don't see the issue here.

>>123602385
>Planned culture victory compromised because China has too much culture to influence.
I hate Tourism. I used to love playing the culture game, but with tourism introduced, it's yet another thing to spam. Also means Civs like India, which were made for smaller empires, are now useless.

>>123666368
>India
>smaller empires
You didn't play as India, did you?

>>123667174
Unhappiness doubled for number of cities, halved for population. I took that too mean 'less cities, large population'

>>123653464
Never really, as you've probably noticed if you've paid attention to the quest, most of the Cult Quest text is from the perspective of a convert.

What we can make out it that they are hella stronk and persuasive, but their nature is never really explained beyond "ancient robots with a grudge for their creator."

More enlightening is the faction backstory posts on the amplitude forums, and some of the various diplomacy interaction you can have with them. E.g, the Cultist ambassador mentions the Queen and the Unspoken when you submit treaties.

From what I recall, the Queen is an immensely powerful robot who got stuck in her body during the cataclysm resulting fro mthe war between Concrete and Virtual Endless.

Essentially she was trapped in sensory deprivation for centuries, which drove her utterly and completely mad.

Now her initial purpose was to rule over the other robots, and someho, after centuries of inactivity, she managed to reanimate some of them.
One of those was the Unspoken, who was so attuned to his mistress he, too, turned completely and pyshopathically bonkers.

For some reason, only a few of the other bots were similarly driven into madness, with most of them being relatively sane, although blindly obedient to the will of their Queen, and of the Unspoken, her mouthpiece (or is he really ?)

From the heroes description, you can also find out that mortal convert (I think it's either Exid the Chosen or Andom the Seer) can somehow become robots.

Honestly I'm confused as well.

Just bought Endless Legend (base game). Apart from in-game tutorials/help, what's the best way to learn the game? Any race that's the most 'basic'?

What is considered a good starting spot to put your city in Endless Legend

>>123667709
Close to anomalies and rivers. Depending on your faction tho.

>>123667629
Watch a few lets play if you're feeling lost. Start with Wind Walker/Vaulters, or Broken Lords if you want to take food out of the equation.

>>123667418
No, it means cities past 6 population provide less unhappiness than the cities without this UA.
http://www.megabearsfan.net/post/2014/11/05/Civ-V-India-strategy.aspx
>>123667629
WW is the noob-friendly faction.

>>123668215
how many turns can I go wandering to find a starting place before I'm just getting behind genrally, one - three?

>>123668291
You lose dust every turn, so you will start selling your units after 4 or 5 turns.

>>123668291
Depends on your difficulty. I'd say two-three in normal, one-two in Hard and zero above.

To complete >>123668215
Every faction wants industry and food (in that order) as a priority, except Broken Lords who don't give a shit about food.

Rivers are nice because they provide natural bonuses in food, and buildings in town can further their usefulness by providing extra resource income per exploited river tile (Dust Dredger from Aquapultruvistics for example).

Anomalies are nice because you get more resources form a single tile. Watch out for those that also have happiness bonuses, those are especially nice.

Following that, sometimes you'll have the choice between more of a single resource. In early game, the priority goes as follow:

Vaulters : Industry>Food=Science>Dust
Broken Lords : Industry>Dust>Science (then transition to dust when you've reacehd Era III and researched both Dust-producing techs)
Ardent Mages : Industry>Science=Dust>Food
Cultists: Industry>Dust=Science>Food
Necrophages: Industry>Food>Dust>Science

I don't have enough playing experience for other factions.

Generally you never want to be really lacking in any resources.

Lack of food will mean you'll start lagging behind after the first 20 turns as your city won't have as many working populations and districts

Lack of industry puts you at a disadvantage from th start as your building aren't up as fast

Lack of Science will seriously hamper you at turn 25-30 as you begin lacking buildings to construct. You don't really give a shit as Necros, mind, as all you really want to do with your cities is shit out necrodrones at a fast pace.

Lack of dust has more impact for some factions and less for other.
It's a death sentence as Broken Lords, as it means your cities don't grow and your troops can't heal.
It's a hamstring for Ardent Mages as your pillars and spells aren't as available, making you miss on table-turning abilities in combat and the significant resource boost of pillars.

>>123670219
cont.

For other factions (except Roving Jews, but I don't have much play experience with them), lack of dust is more of a nuisance, as it means you don't have the means to get extra luxury or strategic resources or to buyout a building in a pinch. In other words, It limits your options, but not as badly as the other resources.

>>123670219
>>123670219
>>123669359
Thanks for the hlp

Can AI drakken force me into agreements?

>>123672470
Yes it can.

I actually have a story about that.

I was playing with two of my mates. One of them, playing Vaulters, coveted a region, and was about to settle it.

The turn before he could settle, a drakken settler showed up. Friend spent his few earnings in influence to declare war on him and drive him off his expansion.
The next turn, the AI attacked and destroyed my friend's settler, forced my friend to sign a truce and pay him a tribute in Dust, AND settled the region.
Because going from Truce to War is appallingly expansive, my mate had it all in the way inside his butt, having lost most of his influence, the region he wanted along with its settler, the ability to retake that region in the near future and his dignity.

We laughed on for ten minutes straight.

down

>>123664316
Kickass torrents or Pirates Bay? When I installed civ 5 and gta vs they had custom installers but it worked fine.

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>>123653051
>And speaking of Cultists, are these guys cyborgs or what?
The queen is some god-tier AI that got fucked up by the Concrete/Virtual war. Some of the higher ranking cultists are real robots but most of the faithful are just meatbags wearing Cultist armor/masks as a sign of allegiance.

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>>123667629
>Endless Legend (base game)
ya dun goofed. Get all the DLC. Or at least the two expansions.

>AI beats me to the next era every single game
What am I doing wrong? Does the AI in Endless Legend just get free boosts to technology on normal difficulty?

>>123681473
Probably you just don't have enough Science income. What does your science look like on turn 10 ? On turn 20 ?

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>>123673613
>Because going from Truce to War is appallingly expansive, my mate had it all in the way inside his butt, having lost most of his influence, the region he wanted along with its settler, the ability to retake that region in the near future and his dignity.
It's great that the Lizard Illuminati AI now plays its faction properly.

>>123681640
>>123681473
Also it depends on what race you're playing. If some of the AIs are Ardent Mages or Vaulters, you shouldn't be surprised to be beaten at the Science game as they get a favorable starting bias and mechanics for Science income.

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>>123681473
>Does the AI in Endless Legend just get free boosts to technology on normal difficulty?
This is the chart for ES. EL should be near identical, as in AI should be getting a minimal research boost or nothing on Normal.

>>123681720
Funny thing is, this was a good few months ago, when AIs were still mostly retarded. We were amazed the AI could pull off such a brilliant dick move.

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>>123681473
According to the GameDifficultyBonus file under this folder, nope.

>>123681640
I guess I just don't make enough science yet. It's turn 25 and I'm making 57 science without any workers assigned to it since I have to focus on food and production.

>>123682247
Can you dig up the faction bias for terrain generation, please?

>>123682550
Which faction are you playing ?

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So uh guys .. Beyond Earth Rising Tide. Worth checking out?

I was massively disappointed with the original game and I am not sure if I want to try it again.

>>123682964
Not at all.

>>123682964
It makes some things better and some things worse. I would call it a sidegrade rather than an upgrade.
It's still not very good

>>123682625
Vaulters. Started in a tundra area with almost no food at all and absolutely zero dust. I know that the ardent mages, fallen lords, and necrophages are in play too.

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>>123683602
>Vaulters
>losing out on the science race
oh shit nigga, what are you doing
You start on science terrain, you've got boosted science buildings unlocked from the start. You should be unlocking new tech faster than you can build the improvements.

And that's without switching citizens to science. Every era has two science boosting techs, get them and build whatever they unlock first.

>>123683383
>>123683501

what I want to know is

>do I have to still manually set every god damn trade route
>do leaders have some personality and can I have some personality perks other than the generic ones I get
>are quests still the same every game
like when they ask if I am going to have my trade convoys be immune to bug attacks vs some irrelevant shit

>>123682603
>Implying i'm remotely good enough to track it down

Sorry mate

>>123684007
No
Same personality, but you can get new traits with diplomatic capital
Yes

>>123683913
Could be the Ardent Mages outclassed him, from what he wrote he hasn't had the best start, and that has definitely come and bit him back. No food means his city is probably more shit than the mage's. Broken Lords can be good at science if they have the opportunity to complete their quest early, or simply if the started in a tundra or expanded in a glacial region.

>>123683602
Sounds to me that you got shafted on your start.
I'd advise tinkering with the world generation preset in detail. Putting many rivers and anomalies alleviates the problem, and since most factions on the map get them balance won't be much more of an issue.

For your current game, I don't really know to be honest. Try to recover by exploring ruins in hopes of finding dust, or quests that give you technologies. You should have scouted all the neighboring regions with your starting units by now, so try to expand to the one that looks the most promising for your current situation.

For every races, expanding turn 20 (AFTER setting your empire plan and boosters) is sign of a good and healthy start. You should plan your build order accordingly.

Also, your build order should be something like

Founder's Memorial
Mill Foundry
Public Library/Granary
Borough
Tech I building/settler
Tech I building/unit
Borough

Or something to that effect.

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Goddamn he's normally not this expansive

Are there any factions other than Cultists which don't require lots of expansion?
I was pretty used to Civ where I'd make 3-4 cities and chill but I hear people talk about having 3 cities by turn 30 which seems nuts to me.

>>123687206
No.

>>123687206
You can get pretty comfy with most faction with 3-4 cities up until turn 100~.
The 3 cities at turn 30 is good but by no means essentials, up to hard AI. It also depends on your start, your first expand, how you're doing score wise and relative to your neighbors.
The only golden rule I follow is
-Start by Mill Foundry
-Expand at Turn 20.

>>123687206
No real comfy until every region is occupied. You gotta expand to get those resources and those minor factions, friend.

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>>123687206
>3 cities by turn 30
3 by turn 41, ideally. One every 21 turns - new one just after setting the next empire plan.
But that rate of relentless expansion is only needed for Serious and above difficulty. You can win with a dozen cities with a bit of luck: if they are good regions with lots of anomalies/resources. Then you can just turtle up. Best way to turtle up is to ally with a Drakken - he won't betray you and the dragons make for great meatshields.

>>123689303
Also, in my experience, the Drakken will often offer you an alliance once they get access to the tech rather than you having to ask them.

>>123688902
>>123689017
>>123689303
>>123689738
Thanks fellas.

>>123681353
How important are they? I'm not that guy, but I have the base game and I fucking love it, but I'm torn as to what expansions to buy, if buying them at all, since it's not entirely clear what they add/their impact, and I'm genuinely -afraid- of the espionage mechanic/new faction, since the game already has plenty of ways to fuck your shit up

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>>123653464
>>123653251
>>123653051
>>123681127
>>123667586
MASSIVEPOSTS
robots left over from the endless, most likely to assist in all scientific/construction procedures considering their dependence

basically, the virtual/concrete war happens, and all endless on auriga die. only two powerful robots are spared, the rest shut down/have no orders so powersave/die while defending their concrete masters or from collateral damage

the queen and the unspoken are eventually these two robots, the queen being trapped dead center inside a building at least a hundred feet diameter with no external contact at all, presumably she was the physical ai running an important city/test/massive scientific storage

she gets pissed and crazy because she has no contact for so long, the same happens for the unspoken, because he cannot talk, and is fucking massive, presumably close to in size of a guardian from his few descriptions
i dont believe they mention if their insanity is because of one another, but they both do work together under her order at this point, and he has no way to relay external orders at all

eventually her insanity lets her broadcast her "thoughts" over larger and larger range, her thoughts being her ai processes

this both "wakes up" many undamaged robots, and drives a certain few insane, with part of their ai overwritten with the queens (the basis story of many cult heroes)

they go on a crusade to repair/salvage their fallen comrades while in turn destroying all concrete imagery they find, since those were their abandoned masters

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>>123691761
MASSIVEPOST2
they find their numbers two few since they no longer create themselves (just repair/combine broken ones) they turned to native species subjugation
in the beginning they use their religion and force to convert peoples, the faithful being the boring humanoids that look very much like cultists (cyborg questionable but unlikely) theoretically and likely, the veiled figured on the fanatic unit, and the preacher are "humans" (we dont know species)
that along with every single mook shown in the quests. they also convert lesser native species, but the only pictured ones thus far have been human, gauran, and urces

the most concerning part of the cultists has been their evolution over time, specifically in their quest
while they do "peacefully" pacify people to their cults, they are a warlike people, and obviously very capable with their limited numbers, made doubly so by their faction equipment. Their main form of conversion is by using influence, which shows the natives that they actually give better lives, the fact that it isn't actually slavery at all, and a silver robot tongue.
essentially the cultists are a successful and religious robotic version of the mongol empire with the khan's replaced by an immortal queen

as the quest progresses we slowly learn one somewhat upsetting thing though
the queen has learned how to build objects that not only overwrite robot ai, but can overwrite human brain patterns
end massive post

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>>123691716
>and I'm genuinely -afraid- of the espionage mechanic/new faction, since the game already has plenty of ways to fuck your shit up
You're correct in your fear: the AI will fuck you up with pillaging and sabotage even in Cold War.

Guardians is a more neutral expansion: adds wonders (national and world); Guardians; some more quests and random events that won't fuck you up too baldy. Most of the time. Unless you get pic related in which case gg no re.

>>123692130
So for a hugbabby like me, Guardians offers a bit more content and more diverse events, where Shadows just offers a whole new mechanic dedicated at fucking my shit up even harder?

>>123641275
toomuchsauce.gif

>>123692430
I think you can turn it off in the Content menu, so you can buy Shadows and then just turn off it's content if you find it too much to deal with.

I'm not sure though, so if someone knows better just pitch in

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>>123692130
>Previously was +40 damage
>Now is +50% all attributes
>Including movement

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>>123692430
>where Shadows just offers a whole new mechanic dedicated at fucking my shit up even harder?
Yes. You can always fight fire with fire.
>>123689303
>ally with a Drakken - he won't betray you

>>123691761
I'm pretty sure the Unspoken is some AI shared by a certain number of Cultists. A hero is said to be "one of the faces of the Unspoken" or something like that.

How do I forgotten?

It seems like they have a real nice early game due to acquiring technologies pretty fast from buying them out. Do they falter out later?

>>123693132
>Yes. You can always fight fire with fire.

Is it really worth anything (espionage vs the AI) other than sucking up one of my heroes' time and other stuff he could be doing while also risking death? I mean, it's not like 4x games are famous for their AI not cheating its balls off

>>123693132
In the most recent game I played since Forges of Creation, I think there was only one war, which I instigated, because the Drakken was busy creating a ww1-style network of alliances with everyone except the Roving Clans.

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>>123693397
>Is it really worth anything
Free tech. Espionage allows you to steal tech. And soften up cities for invasion. Pillaging is straight up theft of resources so you may wish to do it all the time even without provocation.
>>123693480
>because the Drakken was busy creating a ww1-style network of alliances
Paved with good intentions and all that.

>>123693715
Seems like some neat upsides, but on the downside, how is playing against espionage?

is it some Civ5 King+ levels of horseshit where your "offensive" spies get killed every other turn and your "defensive" spies are blind as fucking bats when they're not getting killed?

>>123693267
>remember you're right
>go to see which hero you're talking about
>find out the unspoken is more fucked up than they originally allude to
http://forums.amplitude-studios.com/showthread.php?27905-Faction-Creation-Competition&p=176596&viewfull=1#post176596

neither the queen nor the unspoken are robots. they are literal bodies fused together with dozens of minds and machinery keeping them alive and functioning
they were to be a new species to survive the endless war and keep their legacy alive

>>123694280
piss, i forgot to mention there
i dont know how actual canon it is since the cultists were a g2g faction, and that was the fan proposed origin

>>123693715
It actually ended up kind-of working, though. The AI never went to war with each other. It made the game fairly boring because I never really felt I was militarily threatened.
>>123694176
Most of your defense against espionage comes in the form of buildings. There is a flat rate at which you catch enemy spies whenever they try to sabotage somthing or whatever, which increases due to these buildings, city happiness and the abilities of the governor of the city. It can go up to 100%. You can also attempt to flush a spy out, which decreases the city's production, but doubles the rate at which you catch enemy spies, and can catch inactive spies, too.
I never got too big into espionage, so I mostly only know about how to defend against it.

>>123694841
Maybe I should do an espionage primer, play a game with 8 forgotten and see how things go.

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>>123694978
>a game with 8 forgotten and see how things go

>>123695203
>>123694978
>8 forgotten
>no one to steal any good science from
>its just idiots stealing from other idiots
i like it

>>123695641
Forgotten can do decently if they have great dust production to buy sciences with. The 7 other forgotten would steal their hard earned work, though.

>>123694978
Hold on, if everyone left on Auriga is one of the Forgotten, then who are the Forgotten getting their angsty revenge against?

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>>123695641
>>123695203
It'd be hilarious if minor factions of EL could conquer like Civ city states.

>>123695815
Plot Twist, everyone else has already left the planet. Vaulters first.

Now the time to collect ancient debts has come.
The price will be high
And we will be paid

in fu-...
...
guys ?
hello ?

Anyone there ?

Helloo ?

Help me I forgot how to science

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>>123696532
>>123695815
>everyone else already fucked off into space
>Forgotten just crawled out of their caves
>science-phobic so can't research on their own
>only Forgotten around so no one to steal tech from
Welp. It's going to be a long, harsh winter for them.

>>123697112
>long and harsh
just how they like it

>>123697831
That isn't BDSM wizards

So what if everyone's favorite faction in EL?

>>123699787
It's hard to choose.

http://youtu.be/r8eVlUemZF8

http://youtu.be/wTt1c9IIoRI

http://youtu.be/ebth__FHFXM

http://youtu.be/_8QTPltwi1s

http://youtu.be/jasxikI9G-I

http://youtu.be/Aq8vAMfNfT8

http://youtu.be/b3J7WznDqSQ

http://youtu.be/94wxW6efKWA

http://youtu.be/j__D_3CqRCw

http://youtu.be/u1_pD4pJOGg

https://youtu.be/Vh1JIM5Ymps

https://youtu.be/WFQxwaODOOc

https://youtu.be/449kwDubrRo

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>>123699787

>>123699787
BROKEN LORDS

>>123699787
necros for their mechanics cultists for their story

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>>123699787
Drakken for that sweet scaly booty.

>>123699787
Broken Lords are good for comfy plays.

Ardent mages for interesting mechanics and TACTICAL BATTLES

>>123700737
Impressive, how do you get so much dust?

>>123701276
What mechanics? I'm new and haven't gotten around to playing them

>>123701538
I love playing comfy, how do I go about doing it as Broken Lords? Can anyone else play comfy?

>>123701761
>What mechanics
Eating the corpses of your enemies and fallen soldiers.

>>123701761
He's playing Broken Lords. Much of their gameplay is centered around generating dust.

You eventually come to a point in the game you can afford to buy two populations per turn, and buyout the Borough. Your city basically grows by one district per turn, and you generate more and more dust every turn because of the extra population and tile exploitation. It gets fucking ridiculous. I pretentiously call it the Singularity. It happens for every race, eventually, but the broken lords can have it sooner rather than later.

>>123702832
Get a small force of three stalwarts up, get the quest started. Expand turn 20.
Start with a focus on Industry. If you have the guardian DLC, try to snipe Museum of Auriga for extra dust and science. Industrail megapole is nice but not essential. Also, plan ahead to snitch the Glorious Father on Era IV, for a building giving +100% dust generation on happy cities.

Early game, you plop your third expand not to late (by turn 50 I'd say). Focus on Industry until you have researched :

-Prisoners, Slaves and Volunteers
-Dust Alchemy
-Dust Refinery

and have the mean to reduce industry and/or buyout costs via the empire plan.

Then switch your population to Dust.

The rest of the game is just managing that sweet, sweet Dust until you end up in the Singularity situation I described above. Broken Lords units are fantastic at playing a defensive game, provided you keep up with their equipment and your regions thrive on their own.

I'd wager Drakken can play comfy too, though I haven't tried them.

>>123699787
>Lore, design, units, story, comfyness
Broken Lords

>Swag & fetishes
Ardent Mages

How to Necrophages?

>>123699787
Cultists are the ultimate comfy.

>>123704982

For resources management

0-Kill shit to get food
1-Generate Industry
2-Shit out necrodrones
3-Shit out boroughs
4-Back to step 1

For Strategy :

1-Locate weakest and/or closest neighbor
2-Throw your troops at his until he doesn't have troops anymore.
3-Steal his cities, eventually kill him.
4-Back to step one

And for Tactics

1-Deploy Necrodrones en masse
2-Overwhelm enemy through number, solid damages and spreading DOTs
3-Repeat if necessary

Having one or two proliferator will tip the balance in your favor by converting his slain troops into chumps you can throw away while your more valuable necrodrones do the real damage.

On paper this sounds simple, but actually executing these rather simple plans does take some skill

Who's the easiest to learn in Endless Legend after Broken Lords?

>>123705735
Cultist has you do a wild goose chase over the entire map, our definition of comfy may vary

>>123706081
I'd say Wild Walkers. Their main gimmicks are seeing the position of other factions' units in the FoW in your regions and any adjacent ones and getting more industry from forest tiles and generally focusing on industry, which it enhances an aspect of the core gameplay instead of revamping it in a major way and/or adding extra fiddly mechanics.

Their faction quest is also possibly the easiest to complete.

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If I settle on that high ground there will there be enough room to get my shit to max level still?
Do Cultists go to level 3 or 4 at max?

Can they bring the legendary buildings past level 2 also?

I want to settle on that point because it would look cool.

I can also build a port on that water tile and be able to level it up.

>want to buy Endless Space
>the only Steam bucks I have, have been in "pending" for the last three days

HELP
E
L
P

I wish the exploitation tile graphics were different for some of the civs. Doesn't really make sense for baller lords (or necrophages) to have farmland looking tiles.

>>123707602
with ES2 on the horizon and EL out why would you do that?

>>123641090
this had better be a conquest only game

>>123707837
Because I already have EL and I heard that ES was fun.
Didn't even know ES2 was a thing.

What's better, Age of Wonder 3 or Endless Legend?

>>123707602
lawyer up and file a lawsuit

>>123643503
>Having played both, what I really like about EL is the clearly distinct variety in the playstyles for each civ
Wow, that sounds nice. My biggest problem with Civ was that most of the civs kind of blended together after a while. a few unique units and a weak special ability isn't enough to really influence how they play.

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Not my fault you tried to settle a region with gold and shitloads of dust with no-one protecting your settler.

>>123701761
this anon answered it >>123703531, the corpses making stockpiles and units
though i am a fan of their retardedly big cities, i dont particularly enjoy the sacrificing micromanagement

For this broken lords quest, does the region need to have this must dust as soon as I settle on it? Winter just hit while I was about to settle, so it no longer produces 13 dust. Will the quest complete when summer hits?

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>>123713190
Picture of the quest.

>>123713439
Unless they changed it since I last played Dosh Lords, yes. The 7 hexes of the newly settled city center + exploitation hexes around it must provide a total of 13+ Dust when you settle, so it sucks if you get that part during a winter.

>>123713802
Fuck. Thanks for the heads up, guess I just have to park that settler until winter goes.

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>Annihilate Vaulters as Cultists because they kept destroying my converted minor civs
>Start long trek back towards city
>Trading Clans jump on my damaged army and try to kill it
>Kick their ass so hard that the battle ends with one barely alive unit for them
>Start fight again and finish off last soldier
>They get super pissed and call me aggressive

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The fact that Pachacuti is a smug cunt is a reference to The Emperor's New Groove, right?

>i welcome your inferior civilization!
>you cant declare war on me! I declare war on you first!

I keep getting maps in Civ V that put way too much space between civs for expansion. I like having a little bit of room to grow, but fuck how am I supposed to war monger when the closest civ is like 35+ tiles away? Is there any way I can fix this shit?

>>123718623
Pick smaller maps?

>>123719458
That means less civs, and I also tried that. It still puts a lot of room between me and other civs.

Age of Wonders 3 or Endless Legend? I just installed Age of Wonders 3 tonight and will buy Endless Legend by the end of the sale. Going to play AoW3 tonight, wondering which is better?

I like that endless legend feels more "focused" than Civ has become

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do I settle on dye?

Why is Auriga fucked?

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wew

>>123719593
pick smaller maps and more civs? pretty sure you can set that

>>123719853
endless legend is objectively better, but age of wonders has more interesting combat and unit variety I guess

>>123718623
Download the Really Advanced Setup mod, it lets you change size and number of civs as much as you want.

>>123719593

You could try Thunderdome, which is 24 civs on a tiny pangea map. I believe you have to go into advanced setup to change the number of civs to something other than the map default.

>>123727425
>tiny pangaea
>not skirmish

up

>>123722432
plantation resources are really the only good ones to settle on, so that would be fine

How do I play as Vaulters, I'm new to this

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>Decide to try out Roving Jews
>Think maybe I can use privateers to pillage without damaging diplomatic relations
>Vaulters immediately ask me to stop pillaging their shit

So are privateers good for anything at all?

>>123733524
Vaulters are really pretty simple, friend. What are you having trouble with?

>>123735264
blatant obvious question, you did convert them to privateers before pillaging right? and they did change to your faction color after?

iirc something like this happened to me pre guardians, i think maybe it was parley? some event or something made a previous privateer only force become "mine" again, outside of my borders

>>123722432
Never chop bananas.

>>123736074
>no clue what you're talking about
>see his capital
no one give that man advice anymore, he doesn't deserve it

>>123735347
Production mostly

>>123740770
move some workers there, research the industry techs earlier.
best case scenario, vaulters settle in large enchanted forests. factions that get +FIDSI to tiles actually weigh the tile type quite a bit more than normal
a nice sized enchanted forest is alot better than a few anomalys here or there

as vaulters, you're generally going to have less/smaller armies, since you dont need much defensive force, so you have free production to go toward buildings. most likely you're either settling wrong, or your tech choices are wrong

How come as cultist it doesnt let you see how much it will take to convert a minor faction

It drive me nuts

>>123740770
I presume you're in the early game? If so, make sure that the first (or possibly second) thing you research is Mill Foundry. That should be the first thing you build in every city past your capital.
Pacify villages. Each village will give you one citizen to play with. Citizens can, of course, be reassigned to emphasize production.
And, of course, when you found a city try to found it nearby a bunch of anomolies. Probably prioritse food, then production, then science. Anything else is nice, but not super necessary.
Remember, as vaulters you can just teleport your armies around, so you don't need as many as other empires.
This probably isn't great advice, but I don't really fully understand the issue.

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>>123735535
They have the grey outline and the minor faction insignia so I assume they're privateers at this point.

Meanwhile the dosh lords are complaining to me about ongoing pillaging.

I'm still in the second era, so i'm not sure if the AI is just cheating, or if they understand that it has to be me since none of the other factions can get privateers until era 4

>>123741780
most likely the former then, cheating or possibly a bug
iirc, cultists that use privateers to raze a city dont get stockpiles, so theoretically, the reason the ai knows you're doing it, is because you're actually siphoning off the reward and they can "see" who is taking it
but that would be a bullshit reason, and i more presume bug, oversight, or cheating

How in the flying fuck do trade routes work in Endless Legend

I can never figure this shit out , I feel like they don't ever get setup even though I have it researched and am butting up on another empire

>>123743104
You gotta be peaceful with them, and the two cities have to have the Right of Way upgrade built.

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JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

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>Vaulters have highly advanced tech, with power armor and working robots
>still haven't invented any weapon better then a crossbow
???

>>123722641
The Concrete-Virtual War fucked up the natural order of the planet i think.

>>123746990
they salvage it and protag robot is ALOT older than the vaulters themselves

>>123722641
>hollow out a living planet to fuck with its natives, and bring in filthy xenos to fuck with as well
it was probably global warming, damn those endless and their lack of green energy!

>>123746268
don't you fucking dare restart

you mongol now

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>>123747113
that just makes me think

endless space is actually a sequel to total annihilation isn't it?

>>123748784
whats that bro, you wanna play planetary annihilation, goty for literally every year?

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>>123749464
>play planetary annihilation

Can endless legend run on a toaster? I play civ v at all low settings and get around 25-30 fps with decent load times, so im kind of worried i cant play it.

>>123749758
EL runs better than civ 5 I'm pretty sure

>>123749758
it'll play, but it wont play amazingly
generally the only problems you're going to come across is lower frame rates during winter, and possibly victory crashes
my computer is piss, it runs it, but i literally cant win in winter during long/big games. its a guaranteed crash

>>123749758
Unless it's really toaster-ish, it should run. The winter animation will rape your framerate and I'd recommend sticking to smaller maps.

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I'm thinking about trying to make a 4x game/demo. Don't hold your breath. I suck at dev. And I was wondering how you would feel about hexagonal planets? I'd like planets to be more than oversized cities but I'm not sure what would be a good way.

>>123748614
I tried to make it happen, Goddess of the Hunt was the first fucking pantheon to go. After that Attila was my neighbor, he dow'd me and then I saw the writing on the wall and just quit. That shit was rigged to blow from the start,

>>123750142
If you can make it work then maybe it can be adopted by others too. It would be cool for planets to not be a square/rectangle.

>>123746268
>先輩
you fuckin' weeb

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>>123751550
I noticed a game called predestination does it, but perhaps a bit too detailed, you don't really want to play an entire sub-game of civ on each and every planet, it would be too much

>>123750142
I feel good about hex planets. they are the future, if you ask me (and you did).

>>123751916
Is the dick intentional?

>>123751550
>>123751967

also hex spheres are difficult to make, and offers only very rough adjustments of the amount of tiles you can have, the smallest being 32 -> 154 -> 636 -> 2558 etc.

so I don't know if some other approach might be better

>>123752539
hurr counted super wrong
32 -> 122 -> 482 -> 1992

>>123752734
your credibility has just been revoked

So far I'm enjoying EL a lot more than Civ V, but two issues I encountered were
>play as Broken Lords
>assimilate Urces
>can't produce food to feed Igor for Urces sidequest

>play as Vaulters for the first time
>faction skilltree for hero isn't appealing
>put points into the ranged class tree and max that out
>realize I essentially have to relevel a new Vaulter hero up to level 10 in order to complete the faction storyline

The first is probably an oversight, but that Vaulters' quest requirement should really be reworked.

>>123753080
I told you I was shit

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>>123707540
>Do Cultists go to level 3
yes

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>>123708974
Both are fantastic but very different, AoW3 is a pure wargame.

>>123754160
didn't the expansions add better diplomacy and espionage?

>>123754385
>better diplomacy
AI surrenders when you wreck it but AoW3 is still a wargame.
>espionage
Nope.

>>123754160
>>123754619

So this would be closer to games like HOMM ? I'm thinking of picking AoW since it's on sale.

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>>123754694
>So this would be closer to games like HOMM ?
Definitely.

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>>123752539
>>123752734
>>123753080
>>123753284

actually I fucked up completely there are a lot more options

32 -> 42 -> 92 -> 122 -> 162 -> 252 -> 272 etc.

just kill me now, I'll never make a game anyway

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>>123708974
>>123754160
>>123754385
>>123754619
>>123754694
>>123754760
AoW3 is a roaming fantasy army conquering simulator with turn-based battle scenarios. You can gather loot, level up your heroes and units, collect mounts, cast empire-wide spells, take your steampunk units and kill a cthulu-tentacle monster or a unicorn.

The city-building sucks and is just bland, but apart from that this game has a shitload of depth and replayability.

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>>123755087
Yes.

>>123754985
Developing a game takes time and a lot of fixing errors you made along the way.
If you're going to not make a game/demo because you made a mistake in a post on an anonymous imageboard, you must not have really wanted to make it to begin with.

So I bought Endless Legends in the sale, since I played quite some amount of civ5 and enjoyed it a lot.
Played the tutorial.
Still have no fucking idea AT ALL what i'm doing or supposed to be doing.
tl;dr: How do i git gud?

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Oh that will be an easy game, the whole continent for me alone.

Would anyone be interest in some casual Endless Legend multiplayer sessions?

Picked it up on sale and don't really want to mess with the AI much

Link some steam profiles or something such

>>123755609
play a game or two, on an easier difficulty, with 4-6 players on a lesser number of continents map
the tutorial leaves out ALOT of small stuff you'll have to end up just learning by playing, especially tech based things
theres two choices for "beginning" player factions
Vaulters = easy because you easily get a tech advantage, they better defend with lesser armies, and they can eventually ignore the big negative of winter
Wild Walkers = easy story quest victory, no spoilers but a few of their goals are just basic "you would do this while playing", that and they have a large production boost, so while you might not be ahead in tech, you can build what you research, or army up MUCH faster than other races

id say vaulters, but thats just because their units are less squishy

play one of them once, and you're going to end up answering alot of your own questions, even if you lose

i just won my first game on immortal
/blog

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>>123756083
can you really protect them all?

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>>123755609
>tl;dr: How do i git gud?
Play Wind Walkers and follow their faction quest. Read the community guides on Steam.

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>>123756083
That faggot Inca has has built walls so it was a pain to capture. RIP classic era expansion.
Also this korean sure is playing on my nerves.

>>123759343
>that Korean unsinkable aircraft carrier

>>123758243
Sorta. Pledge to protect in CBP gives bonus influence from quests, along with increasing the defence power of the city-state.

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>>123759580

>tfw australian and can't play MP due to 300 ping to USW
why live

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>>123760285
>ping
>a factor in a TURN-BASED strategy game

>>123760285
>ping in 4x
What the fuck are you on about

>>123760285
Another Australian here. I've played multiplayer Civ V with 6 of my american mates in a single match.
Lay off the goon, cunt.

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>>123759343
Goddamn, Korea is a cheeky motherfucker.

Anyone here played Thea: The Awakening? How is it?

So I never played Civ IV since my brothers and others who played it at the time told me it was shit and the worst Civ. I had played Civ I, II, and III before, then stopped playing for a long gap before getting V, but I'm kind of tired of V right now. Anyway, nowadays I've seen a few people who not only like IV, but say it's the best one, which is the exact opposite of what I had heard before. It's on sale now for like 5 bucks. Is Civ IV worth 5 bucks to get and try out if I've already played V a lot?

>>123762762
From what I've seen on the internet it looks very interesting but also very ... unfocused. As if the developers just decided that the 'everything and the kitchen sink' approach suits them just fine.

>ES: Disharmony introduced a faction that doesn't use dust
>Endless Legend introduced a faction that doesn't use food
>EL: Shadows introduced a faction that doesn't use science

How long until we get a faction that doesn't use industry?

>>123766418
It mite be worth 4.99 but not 5 dollars. no way man.

>>123769403
How long until we get a faction that has evolved beyond the need of FDIS altogether?

>>123770705
Endless faction when?

>>123769403
They could make an organic civ. Like they could make one that uses food production to "grow" new buildings. Like they build using biomass or something.

I think Automatons and Sowers using industry to grow population, and not needing food, since they're robots, and need to build new robots, would be an interesting change.