/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

>>123447237
first for kosm fags btfo'd

>Odeon
>Yarnham
>Brandor
>Gherman
>Counter Clockwise
>Madara

>>123447237
Can anyone care to tell me if im right about the story?
The only thing i wonder is if their were hunts before the plague.
I assume their were always beast before the plague because of the description on crow woman's outfit.
Says she comes from a really old traditional form of beast hunters.

I think the church always had hunters, but the plague was brought on by their sins which led to the endless nightmare and gehrman going into the dream realm.

From what i have gathered from those who have finished the dlc.

The clock tower is a portal to the past and how the plague came about
Marie despised what they did and took her life
Gerhman signs contract with moon precense to creates a dream realm for remaining hunters( a sort of safe purgatory for hunter) and the real world is where you find the workshop and the actual doll of marie.

So the game takes place in the real world and results of the churches sin whil you travel to the nightmare realm of how it all started nad the game ends in gerhman purgatory.

Someone tell me i have the gist of the game down please.
This dlc has completed BB for me and i feel that all of us are satisfied after getting this dlc.

This is the FULL BLOODBORNE EXPERIENCE without a doubt.

Reposting from last thread because I didn't see it was reaching its limit.

Is a 25 strength 50 arcane build good for the MLGS? I have to know before farming Nourishing Gems. I really just want a sidearm for my Wheel build.

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FIRST FOR AMYGDALAN ARM IS GREAT

are chalice dungeons story? or are they just for fun after you're done with the story?

http://strawpoll.me/6104487/

Poll to decide the best weaponfu.

>there's two summons outside ludwig
>one is locked away if you take the other
what's the point???

>>123447518
They're slightly story, but mostly for end-game challenge and farming.

The earlier chalices are balanced around you entering them early on, though.

>>123447537
Three.
And two of them can work together.

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>summon a dude with a pizza cutter
>orphan gets staggered so bad he doesn't even transform

>>123447461
Its okay. I like hpw the extended to untransformed is a slam move, im glad we have non charge attacks that slam/knock down

Thoughts on the Saif?

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>Beat Orphan on the first try

Had some clutch dodges at the end.

Used every last vial, though.

Anybody want to help me defeat Cleric Beast?

its my first run

So why is Ludwig hard.

Is it the hitbox?

>>123447357
What are you getting at

>>123447668
Why the hell not
You don'thave to put on your psn id, you just need to go into network settings in the game and set a password, then tell us what it is
I'll wait outside the fog gate, you ring the beckoning bell

>>123447668
Don't summon on your first playthrough

>>123447669
Can't speak for anyone else but my main problem was that the second form had some fucky delays on the attacks that made them hard for me to roll through.

God, Maria fight is so hype. First attempt got her yo 10%, used all my bullets and vials, would've had her but 3 of the times I managed to parry her, I couldn't get my riposte to work and it just slashed her a few times. That music though

>>123447742
Pass is bbg

>tfw host gets beat down by Orphan.
I can't even call him casual, this guy is hard.

Should I bring my STR or SKL build through the DLC?

>>123447585

I only found Henriet, who decided to wail on the two giants instead of coming to the fucking fog with me.

Where are the others?

>>123447668
>summoning on your first boss on your first playthrough
stop this, it will seriously ruin the game. Bosses ar hard, but the satisfaction you get beating them is the best part, you don't get that summoning someone else.

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I can't wait for all the new fanart. Maria art when

>>123447825
STR if you want to use sweet new weapons straight away, SKL if you want it to be a bit easier - burial blade and viscerals fucking rock.

>>123447742
1 sec, getting to the gate

>>123447825
Both, silly.
Strength first though.

>>123447850
Madara is where the axe giant walks out of in the blood pool. Have fun with that. Valtr is behind rock the crows are at just outside of Ludwig's gate.

I think you might need to be in the League to summon Valtr.

>>123447804
>>123447903
Alright, make sure your settings are set to worldwide
although you may want to heed the other anons, it's a lot more rewarding if you solo it

Do you get Yamamura's set if you kill him?

>>123447640
It looks really good in PvP. If it gets interrupted mid-combo or trades R1 while transformed, it's gonna have a bad time. Otherwise, just relentless fucking pursuit in transformed mode, running R1, starter R1, and R2 all look great for chasing/roll-punishing. UTF it has good range, decent speed. Its TF>UTF attack will be great for backing off once you've run out of stamina. UTF, roll > roll R1/transform attack mix-ups.

I've been using it in PvE, and it's extremely fun. Not quite as capable of auto-piloting as saw cleaver/spear, but still pretty fucking strong. TF Hitboxes are better than they appear, UTF cleaves lots of stuff very easily with its big sweeps.

I think it's a very good weapon.

>people summoning you into a chalice to babysit them through every fucking room
Stop doing this, I want to come in and help with the actual challenging part, the boss, not run around and kill every single mod for you.

>>123447970
I need help on it, I've been stuck for hours

Yes, I suck

>>123447863
wow MenasLG's art has really improved over the year! Love this dude.

Is there even a way to save the cute little skelly asking for help at Ludwig's?

Just noticed his dead body ragdolling.

>>123447960
So can Valtr and Madara be summoned together?
Henriett is geniune grade A trash in this fight

Anyone want to help at Orphan of Kos? Trying to clear it on my arcane build, right now lv 80. I'll make the password bbg if anyone's interested.

Doing a SKL run just for DLC area and haven't played this game in months. So far I've beat Cleric Beast, Father G, Amelia, and Witches. I've done Papa Gs side quest with his daughter and already helped Eileen fight Henryk. I'm at Cainhurst right now before I head off to the SoY boss fight. Anything I missed or should note before making it go all blood moon?

>>123448064
Yeah. You only need Valtr though. He's a fucking monster.

Anyone got that picture of Kos' face?

One of the first person who summoned me in the DLC was a dude with a rusty looking sword and shield. He promptly died to the rolling rock before the chapel in the first area.

Are those weapons he had that early on in the DLC? I only found the fire hammer and the pizza cutter so far before Ludwig.

>>123448000
Anyone?

alrighty so here is the deal. i already made a 50/25 str/skill build i know i want to try my hand at arcane. But from what i gather you will make the most out the new weapons with a 50/25 str/arcane build. You see i already made a str guy so now i want to be an arcane bro. will i miss out on much i rock a 25/50 str/arcane build?

>>123448000
yes

>>123448039
he can survive through the fight but i think all he does when you talk to him is laugh

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>getting fucked from all sides at Orphan on ng+++
At this point there's no point if I grind for levels cause he'll still 2 shot you.

What if I grind my BLT & use bowblade on it, would that work?

>tfw putting on constable outfit plus bucket helmet and helping out with the pizza cutter
It is so satisfying to league oath right after a boss is killed and slowly fade away while maintaining it.

>>123448014
just get +3 saw

i just smacked my face against him and he died rofl

i'm also on my first playthrough

Repost because last thread is dead.

What is the best arcane gem, and where do I get them? I want to be an ayy.

Any good/cool SKL weapons in the DLC area? Don't want to know exactly what the weapons are, just a yes or no and about how far into the DLC it takes to find one.

>>123448172
I'm guessing there's no way around it huh. That sucks oh well.

>>123447970
Thanks anon, that fucker was shitting on me for hours

Just finishing up my first playthrough of this game.

I found a blood gem with +19% physical attack, but -9% attack vs kin.

Does this translate into +10% against kin, or does the curse override the buff?

>>123448263
No problem, happy to help

>>123448005

Nice, I'll definitely upgrade it

Good god, this DLC has just spoilt me for choice

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>>123447237
lol

welp now i see why you fags say living failures are so hard.

>first time fighting them
>see only one guy who moves slowly and stumbles around
>attack him a few times he does nothing
>stumbles around swinging in a very telegraphed manner'
>easy
>whats this another one
>not so bad
>ohh look a THIRD one
>hmm i guess it cant be to easy for us
>OHH LOOK A FOURTH
>raise eyebrow
>start shooting magic balls and homig arrows
>not to hard to dodge
>killing them only respawns them
>but still easy
>get them down to about 25%
>all 4 start raising hands
>notice they are about to do something
>run up and whack 1 thinking it will break the chain and ruin whatever they are doing
>kill one
>its still dark and all beautiful and florest looking n shit
>enjoy the view for split second
>metoer shower out of fucking nowhere
>dead

Fucking from

>>123448251
yes pretty early then another after you beat a boss and 2 in the final area

>>123448169
25/50 STR/ARC is my favorite character and i have 100s of hours on it, but it's true that for the hybrid weapons in the DLC the other way would be better. you can kind of use Moonlight, but you can't use Amy-arm or Fire-hammer.

desu i'd just make a 50 ARC build and get the min stats for your favorite weapons. but Whirligig saw should be one of your favorite weapons, so this implies at least 16 STR anyway, and at that point you might as well go to at least 20 for Wheel

if i could reroll i'd still have at least 20 STR

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>>123448359
THE SKY AND THE COSMOS ARE ONE

who /churchpick/ here?

>>123448273
where'd you get the 19% one?

>finding the church cannon

i know i'm not very clever but i feel clever

>>123448103
too bad I die in 2 hits and he can't survive the second stage then

>>123448241
cold abyssals from pthumerian elder, and arcane triangles either from watchers (27%) or ebrietas (24.8% + secondary effect)

>>123448443
It was from one of those frenzy fuckers with a head full of eyes after the Micolash fight.

>>123447669
In the first phase, yes

Second phase just requires you to pay attention,but it doesnt save you from his 5-6 hit swings

>>123447668
>Wants help with the first boss
>not even gashcoin

I hope no one helps you
A hunter needs to be strong young apprentice.

Also>>123447856
I agree i felt so fucking good when i beat ludwig solo

So, confirmed no respec item in the DLC right?

>>123448462
If you think you're going to die quickly anyways, consider using beast pellets. Fire paper too, maybe.

Boomhammer or Whirligigsaw?
Both can be rushed easily by a new char

>>123448432
churchpick is the best weapon in the DLC to be honest

>>123448546
I was using fire paper, but I'll try some pellets too.
Thanks anon.

>>123448558
saw
>>123448432
yo

can some lorefags please help explain why Kos has a human face underneath his foreskin sheath head thing??? please??

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Bloodletter is rock solid for pvp, most of the new DLC weapons are, should bring a lot more variety to invasions
https://youtu.be/G3ZTI46bsEE

>>123448558
whirligig is unquestionably the better weapon and has an amazing moveset

boomhammer is fun but you're asking me to compare it to the weaponfu of /bbg/

>>123448558
Saif.

>>123448616
>his

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>>123448406
thank you anon. i must ask, why is 25/50 your favorite build? I'm kinda bummed out that i won't be able to utilize the MGS to it's fullest buy hey i'm mainly it for ayy mode and hentai hand

I'm getting fucking rekt by Ludwig on ng++++ I tried all day yesterday and I can sometimes get him to his second stage but the HP and damage becomes too goddamn overwhelming. The summon helps sometimes but at other times she just dies almost instantly.

How do I stop Yamamura from bonking his head?

>>123448631
yeah they did a really fucking good job making viable weapons
bloodletter, churchpick, rakuyo, saif, whirligig, parasite all seem obviously good for pvp. others may be with time

>>123448631
Hi Kobra. Does the Frenzy attack actually cause Frenzy on them or is it just damage?

>>123448476
So I should just farm Isz f/r/c? Or would it be better to look for a dungeon that have already been made? And thanks for answering.

>>123448714
*kosself

>>123448631
Why did that slam into the ground do 900 damage to that guy?

>>123448768
If it does inflict frenzy it's nowhere close to what the user is inflicted with and it's impossible to use it twice without getting frenzy yourself

WINE HAKAMA PANTS ARE BALLER AS SHIT!!!!!!!!

>>123448840

Even with full resist gear (as much as I would not like to wear that goofy fucking shit)?

>>123448823
It's a powerful AoE attack that hits the user with a ton of frenzy, hence my low insight to prevent it from killing me
Pretty hilarious combined with lead elixir, but it does have some built in hyper armor to a degree

Anyone? >>123448273

>>123448905
God damn that sounds amazing.

>tfw I just spent 10 minuntes chasing a guy with Ludwigs and Cainhurst helmet around the pool in research hall
I mean literally chasing, dude wouldn't fight me or anything, just spent the whole time running in circles around the room until I eventually took him out with running attacks, it was hilarious

>>123448726
Use Valtr and Madara as a duo, if you summon Henriett they stop being available.

The question still stands though - none of the other great ones have any remotely human features, Amy, Ebribri, Mergo's Wet Nurse, *Formless Oeden. So why does Kos have a human face?

>>123448946
Wait there are more summons? Where are they?

>>123448897
Yes, at 0 insight and heavy resist gear it still builds up 3/4ths the bar
>>123448928
It's pretty nice, the long range and sweeping attacks plus solid damage make it a pretty nasty weapon

>>123448980
Kos doesn't have a human face

>>123448980
Kos is the sea slog. The skinny man is its offspring.

>>123448940
He was probably waiting for a cooperator.

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>tfw you get everyone except the host

Oh well, L2 is still godlike.

>>123449032
>>123449069

You guys did look at the head of Kos, right?

That's definitely a human face.

>>123448719
arcane is FUN AS HELL but i think a lot of people fuck it up by trying to scrape by with minimum stats so they can get 70 arc or invade at low levels. this is a build that with maybe 13 points of investment into STR/SKL can use 14 fucking weapons just by swapping gems around. and some of those weapons (specifically wheel/whirligig saw) have very interesting interactions with arcane gems

you can cosplay almost anything, you can cheese almost any boss in the game using the right elemental damage, and at the end of the day if you need to be PVP COMPETITIVE or w/e the fuck, 20/50 wheel with +flat arcane gems is a perfectly fine pvp build

>>123449084
He got none

>>123449032
>>123449069
Look again, friends. Kos is my new waifu.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH YAMAMURA!

>>123448773
there's a spreadsheet in the OP with premade glyphs for all the major gems

>>123448563

>get key go back to cells at start of clock tower
>go in room
> get hit from left
>rol back out
>look around
>no one chasing me
>creep back in hes standing behind door in corner
>okay.jog
>wip out hunter axe lvl 10 460 atk
>hmm i wonder.jpg
>spin to win near where hes standing clip him thru the wall constantly befre i push him far enough away for him to run out
>little hp left
>counter him and hit him with viseral
>hit him twice as he risese
>dead
>church pick
Easy squeezey lemon peasy

Anyone else staying beast form even though you don't use the claws? Shit is swag as fuck.

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Who wants to help me kill Orphan?
I refuse to sleep until he dies.

Password is Ducks

>>123449262

I'll help amigo

>>123449032
It does, though. If you run to the front and angle the camera to where the head should be.
Hold up, I've got a screenshot.

>>123449227
kill him for his set

I'm so ashamed but does anyone want to help a NG+ pleb fight Cleric Beast? password is: bbgpleb

>>123448861
i would wear wine hakama IRL and look good doing it

>>123449227
Murder him and take his shit.

>>123449232
Welp, didn't see that. Nice stuff. Thanks man, saved me some trouble.

>>123448946
>Madara
Is this a joke

Theres an npc named madara?

>>123448992
valtr is where those 2 crows are right beofer the fog gate to ludwig
Im not sure about mandara lol
Anon may be trollin you

>>123449306
>>123449326
>but that TGS video where he is summoned

>>123449113
Holy shit that damage. The new weapons are seriously amazing. Can't wait to fight them all in PvP.

>>123449343
>doesn't know about the madara twins
Have you not seen the snake whistle at least?

>>123449262

Where are you ringing?

How much Arcane should I look for in my Parasite build?
I am planning to do a mixed STR/ARC build

Have you guys made any pvp videos with new stuff? I'm especially interested to see Saif and Pizzacutter in action.

Also, when it comes to weapon variants, I lack insight, someone grant me eyes here.
Is the radialx2 + triangle always best for physical builds?
Then radialx2 + waning for pure arcane builds?
Whats the point then in weapon with radial, triangle and waning?

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>>123449032
So yeah does anyone have any theories about this or what

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>Cruising through fishtown for the first time
>Got to the second skull spamming faggot
>"Alright I'm gonna murder you you piece of shi-"
>Suddenly giant shark thing drops out of nowhere ala John Cena
Goddamn it

>>123449312
sure, be there in a few minutes
where are you ringing from?

>>123449113

What gem? Lvl ?

>>123449427
Cabin

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>>123449032
>>123449069

>it's the early hours of thanksgiving
>i'm spending it shitposting on 4chan and playing bloodborne

>>123449432
50 ARC for Parasite. not really optional desu, it's an S scaling ARC weapon

STR anywhere from 16 to 25. i think you should at least get 20 for wheel, but you could get by with 16 if you love whirligig

i think an arc build that can't equip whirligig is a sad thing

>>123449482
right in front of the fog gate

Does second stage ludwig do arcane damage?
is that why he's giving me the business even more than his "harder" first stage?

>>123449536
sounds about right

>>123449537
Damn, it already has 30 STR.
I shall be squishy as fuck to make up for it. I'm crazy.

>>123448631
GOD DAMN THAT GUY IS A COLD BLOODED KILLER WITH THAT SHIT!
I cant wait to PVP once i finish dlc
I think i want to solo dlc first and then do pvp

>>123449475
>>123449518
Kos sympathised with humanity to the point where she wanted to look more like them to not freak them out?
She lost her child and wanted one bore of a human, and so wanted to look desirable to them?
I dunno

Do you guys think Kos would have been a good mother?

You will never be Kos's sweet little cosmic horror

>>123449439
Kos parasite pvp
https://youtu.be/RdbgW8qsiG4
Working on pizza cutter footage now

>>123448631
I also found that the saif is also amazing, the extended to un-extended is fucking amazing and the lizza cutters L2 can stunlock really good. The narukyo katana dagger thing is pretty OP, the swing speed is almost BoM mid combo tier and it does a fuckton of damage with even like 25%-26% gems whixch is what I used. Im gonna see how that pick is when I can upgrade it. Looks promising.

>>123449439
RRT is always best for physical, and arcane elemental
RRC is best for bolt/fire if the weapon's base damage is low
RTC is best for bolt/fire if the weapon's base damage is high

it can get a little complicated because it depends on what abyssals you're willing to farm and what secondaries you want

>>123449475
Nice picture, Addison.

>>123449517

I'm ringing. Ducks with a capital D? Do you have yours set to Worldwide?

Anyone want in on Orphan?
Password is still Ducks.

>>123449538
Ringing now

>>123449678
be there in a moment

>>123449589
eh, just pretend you were planning to use cannon all along

>>123448631
WOAH wtf was that wisle summon?!

>>123448631
Does the bloodletter's transformed state scale with strength at all?

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>mfw I have all of next week off work

SOON

>>123448359

You can use the sunflower stalk to block the meteors if you position yourself right.

>>123449652
Yep, set to worldwide, capital D.

>>123449439
RRT is best for physical and arcane damage.
For bolt/fire gems, RRW/Lost, depending on a lot of variables. I made a guide about a week ago explaining optimal gems for various AR levels and damage types and, basically, Lost is usually the best for bolt, and RRW is usually the best for fire. BUT this may have changed since the buff to arcane scaling gems. Also RRW is only the best for fire if you super duper optimize your gems. I'm talking 3x 24.8% fire with +15 flat fire secondary. Otherwise you want Lost, because getting a 27.2% fire gem from watchers is less of a hassle than getting a +15 fire secondary abyssal from Watchdog, imo.

Lost is also the best for Nourishing gems, which is most notable for Tonitrus. Also OK on Wheel. Maybe good with some of the DLC stuff. Time will tell.

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>>123449370
>>123449507

How's the beast claw with the new beast's embrace rune? I love how vicious the attacks are.

>>123449725
no, keep str at weapon reqs

>>123449770
Alright, I prefer the vanilla moveset honestly

>>123449721
Madaras' Whistle. It's new, you find it in the base game, not the DLC.

>>123449746
ringing roight now

>>123449703
THANK YOU!!!

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>>123449439
Here I made vids with both of those

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=kEAM5EpH4fM

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=k87I002G2iw

Im on mobile so links dont embed

>>123449163
neato i'm aiming to go for level 120 and if i do that i can reach the reqs to use MGS and the wheel but i will need to sacrifice 10 vit bringing it down to 40. Do you think the trade off is worth it or should i stay at 50 vit and drop my arcane down to 50 or so?

>>123449721
Madaras whistle i think? Obtained from madara after squashing a few vermin at the forbidden woods lamp, scales S with bloodtinge

>>123449880
Anytime friendo.

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FUCK THIS GAME I WAS REALLY FUCKING CLOSE TO BEATING LUDWIG AND THEN HE USED A FUCKING FULLSCREEN ATTACK HOW I DODGE THAT BULLSHIT HOLY FUCK YOU FROM SOFTWARE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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The DLC really amped up the horror.

>>123449747
>Lost is also the best for Nourishing gems
not true, common mistake

crescent gems can't get +% attack versus open foes, which is practically much better for damage than +15 bolt or w/e. and it is extremely easy to farm nourishing radials with +%attack versus open foes off of gargoyles. so you can very easily get a radial that has practically better damage than a perfect abyssal crescent, even though the gem level is lower

>>123449889
erm i forgot to mention that is if i give myself 70 arcane

>>123449909
If I had that much trouble with Cleric Beast, I'm not looking forward to the rest of the game on NG+ :/ I might just stick to my second character on NG

>>123449237
I dined upon this very same cheese. That guy's pathfinding is ass.

>>123449518
I think that might actually be the Doll's face.

It's a little hard to tell, because Kos doesn't have lipstick.

any overpowered sunbro want to help me on ludwig? pass: bbg123. thanks.

On my 15th try I finally got Ludwig past the B in his name and to the "the"
And then he killed me with a hit that didn't even make contact.

Thanks anon who suggested pellets though

Thanks a bunch guys
I needed the help

>>123450038
what BL?

>>123449769
if you get the chance try +%arcane and +arcane scaling and see how it affects your damage

i tested the regular melee today and showed that % works better for flat than regular attacks, even though your AR goes down, because of attack multipliers (which are huge, like 2x, because the kos parasite has "artificially low AR").

but the +flats might be better for the L2 since it's a multi-hit attack

>>123449980
Cleric Beast has really high physical defense, so it might just have been that. Do you have Mensis gems in whatever weapon you're using?

>>123449962
What % do the gargoyles give? Wouldn't you want to farm the nourishing off Rom instead?

So do you actually need beast claws for the transformation?

>>123450104
it's ng. i'm bl 65.

>>123449889
i think i'd feel silly at level 120 with 40 vit, that's not a rational build

>>123449830
Think it could be good for a pvp build? I'm wanting to make one, but can't decide on a weapon. They all are pretty cool.

Does the large sunflower in Lumenflower Wood do anything?

>>123450097

2 Aliums and a Robot.

Didn't stand a chance.

>>123450083
One more thing I forgot to add.

For my beasthood stat, what does using clothes that raise it do? I've never really used it before.

>>123449769
>Flat Arc gems
Pro tip, the parasite has a high multiplier on all of it's attacks, which don't effect flat damage gems
Use two radial cold scaling gems instead, it'll show for less AR on the screen, but you'll gain a lot of damage because of the attack mulitpliers, even on the L2
Tested myself and got about 50-100 damage increase on most attacks in pvp when compared to a flat bonus loadout of about 350 AR to a sclaing loadout of about 300 AR

How good is the pizzacutter?

I just got it on my level 30 character and kind wann spend all my upgrades on it.

Milkweed rune guide?

WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME TO STAB THE CORPSE OF KOS

>>123450109
Kos Parasite has 1.6 arcane scaling by default. +arc scaling will almost certainly be shit on it.

>>123450218
Makes the bar bigger, so you can hit even harder.

>>123450194
I've tried it out in PVP and it's certainly very good, the built in roar is very useful for builds that don't have 15 arc.

>>123450198
It helps the failures deal with their emotional issues through the art of gardening.

>>123450198

Besides bob menacingly? No.

>>123450234

It does everything you need it to do, and more that you didn't know you needed it to do. S scaling in STR at +10.

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How do i into fashionborne? Where can i get some cool outfits?

>>123450154
19.3% from gargoyles. rom is 19.5%, because of the penalty from his half-curse. so if you want to fight the hardest FRC boss for .2% damage go for it

in practice though you should do the gargoygles because you will easily get a perfect secondary, whereas Rom will take many attempts. given how hard Rom is i think you're nuts if you try to farm him for 50+ kills

>>123450276
>garden is watered by their tears

>>123450234

The L2 is insane for bosses. I pumped it to +10 with 50 str and I've been destroying every boss in NG+ in the dlc.

>>123450193
yeah i think you are right i'm better off cutting down the arcane a bit so i can have room to breathe. Thank you

>>123449613
what's your opinion on beast mode? actually any good or just a for fun claws

>>123450116
If they have "mensis" in the name then no. Just varying levels of tempering blood gems

>>123450229

On all attacks? I thought it was only certain attacks it had the multiplier (untricked dodge r1, tricked dashing r2).

>>123450191
Woah, I think i'm supposed to be outside your summon range and it still worked.

>>123450326
Fun but still beast claws, so it's not incredible for pvp or anything

>Empowered Kos Parasite changes your rolling animations
Neato

>>123450315
i got like 5000 from a full stamina bar with the l2 on laurence

>>123450364
that jump just looks so damn fun, does it actually track or is it a meme tier attack

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>>123450295

Find something that doesn't clip and you win the fashionborne.

>>123450348

Passwords remove level restrictions.

>>123450263
i have perfect abyssals of all kinds and 2 cold abyssals is optimal for kos parasite

scaling doesn't "cap at S", it's just additive. so the relative value of scaling diminishes when the weapon has higher scaling to begin with. but this is counterbalanced by the fact that
1. Kos Parasite has a HUGE attack multiplier, and
2. there are no arcane abyssal radials. the best you can get are 23% gems from bone ash hunters

>>123450369
wait until you see it's forward and to the side dash animations

don't forget its jump attack, falling attack or backstep R1 either

>>123450315
Isn't scaling shit after 25

>>123450348
passworks lets you co-op with anyone from outside your lvl ranges BUT you get downscaled according to their lvl if you're not in the level ranges within each other

>>123450414
Oh yeah it tracks, it goes fucking far as well

>>123450276
Well I guess even abject failures such as them have emotional problems.

>>123450291
Now that you mention it, it is quite menacing.

>>123450337
They don't. They're the cursed tempering damp blood gems you get from the Winter Lanterns (glowing brain things) in the Nightmare of Mensis. The best ones increase your damage by 19.8% and they make NG+ much less spongy in its damage intake.

>>123450339
It seems like all the attacks have some form of multiplier, they all do much more damage than the listed AR on regular enemies, I went through using the entire moveset in central yharnam to make sure
Every attack had atleast a 50 damage increase going from a flat damage loadout to a scaling, and that was also losing a bit over 50 AR on the stat screen too

>>123450414
Doesn't track but can be manually redirected in any direction

>>123450414

I had a full Beastbro summon use it a bit and it looked like he had good control over it. He even backstabbed a dude with it.

>>123450379
with a perfect lost bolt whirligig i managed 6500 on ludwig once. i should try it on laurence, he's weak to bolt

>>123450447
no its 50 unless we're talking about tools then they have no cap

What should I have my first pvp build use: bloodletter, rakuyo, chikage, burial blade, or church like?

>>123450447
Uh no??? The fuck are you on about m8? Who told you that?

>>123450524
I'll gladly provide a Laurence for you to try it on.

>>123450506

Where do you get the good arc radials for the parasite? Elder? I might have some but I gotta look through 500 or so freaking radials which I really should have deleted

>>123450446
Those side dashes are funny as hell
And the jumping attack is horrifying.

>>123450339
kos parasite has ~300-350 AR with good gems and build but easily does 350-400 on players with the regular-ass r1. this would be literally impossible unless it had a huge attack multiplier on the regular-ass r1

the AR on your stat screen is the punch damage of a human-form kos parasite. the kin AR is like 2x that

Is the saw mill worth upgrading if I only ever plan on having 30 str?

https://youtu.be/0tmS1BDflCE

???

spoilers.

>>123450235

Guide for what? Getting it?

>>123450507
>>123450514
i think ill make a dedicated build for it, even if its not top tier it looks fun.

i mean after bom, old rifle spear, axe, chikage and a few others, i wouldnt mind playing something sub tier but fun

>>123450648
Yeah

>>123450490
Ahhhhhhhh ok. I've got 2 waning ones, but they aren't as good as some of the others I have. I didn't spend much time in Nightmare of Mensis. I did ok on NG leading up to Mensis, but once I got there, I just wanted to get to the end of the game so I sprinted thru most of it. Guess I should've explored and farmed a bit more

>>123450567
for arcane % radials just bone ash hunters. for cold radials elder, but they specifically have to be abyssal (there is a hidden bonus on abyssal scaling gems)

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>>123450235

What the fuck why wont that milkweed bitch take the second brain fluid? Gave her the first one, then accepted her blood, reloaded area multiple times but she wont ask for a second and just rambles on dont be le greedy i was a blood saint once too. Can I iniatiate the boss fight and return to her before it fucks up? I dont want to fuck this char up.

>>123450567
Yeah, +22.5 scaling gems from elder, you could also get a +15 flat physical as a secondary effect for a little more kick
After the scaling buff there's really no reason to not have a stockpile of those on your arcane character for every weapon, for most weapons they'll give more AR than the best elemental radials

There any save editor for this game?

Not to cheat mind you, but just because I have replayed the game about 10 times now and I don't want to delete characters to make new builds for these new weapons.

>>123450692

The summon I had was tearing shit up, it might not be the toppest tier, but it certainly looked viable.

>>123450740
Kill Maria.

>>123450634

Or you know, could just be reused, slightly altered assets

>>123450348
fuck me. framerate is shit in co-op.

>>123450740
chug the blood and when you reload she'll offer it again. keep repeating this and eventually it will advance dialogue

>>123450789
no worries, his lunge almost got me earler
still there

>>123450832

Wait a sec, I'm coming as well.

I think the host I invaded is retarded, I've been waiting for him by the crank at the top of the research hall and all he's done for the past 10 minutes was ride the elevator up and down continuously.

>>123450434
are you serious???

>>123450891
yes???

>Got my kos parasite
>Only doing 176 damage per hit
I need more Arcane for sure, but how do I get the gems for it?

What's the difference between Physical Def, Vs Blunt and Vs Thrust?

>>123450235
Talk to the bloathead girl strapped in a chair in Research Hall. She'll ask you to get her brain fluid. Fluid is dropped by bodiless bloatheads. One of them is on a platform in the center of the Research Hall, guarded by an NPC hunter. The other is up on the rafters. After you get the brain fluids, give her one. She'll give you some blood in exchange. Use the blood, and reload the area. She'll keep giving you blood for a while. Continue to use the blood and reload the area until she asks for more fluid. Give her the 2nd fluid you have. Then repeat the blood/reload process. Eventually she'll turn into a bodiless bloathead. When she does, kill her, take her brain fluid, then give it back to her (she'll respawn after a few seconds, as all bodiless bloatheads do). She'll give you the Milkweed rune.

>>123450891
It's from a patch a while back
Although the level restrictions are removed, if a much higher level person gets summoned into a low level person world, they will get scaled down in both health and damage output
How much they get scaled down depends on the level difference

>>123450891
yes but
>>123450461

Anyone want to help with ludwig? Password is shawn.

>>123450961
i think in the maingame you get a 15% nourishing, a 14% arcane droplet, and some crazy odd arcane triangle

i don't think you can get better gems outside of chalices. the chalice gems you want are 2 abyssal cold radials and either an abyssal arcane triangle or a 27% triangle

>>123449745
>sunflower stalk
How they looked liek they came from all around.

I figured i could use the blue shield since thats where you pick it up

>>123450302
>19.3

Ok, I figured it would be less.

So you think +% vs. open foes is worth giving up ~2% AR that you'd get from a waning? That just boosts damage on counterhits, right? Or is it instability damage? I was never quite sure.

>>123451004

Where you ringing family?

What's good about the Saif?

Beast Cutter seems a lot more fun and cooler.

it's not letting me buy Henryk's Set after defeating Henryk

do i have to complete Eileen's entire questline to get it?

>>123450832
>>123450861
kk ill wait for you both. rip framerate inc lol.

>>123451072
Have you used the Saif?

>>123451058
by the fog door

>>123451082
Nope, should be in the insight shop

>>123451072
its' moveset is god tier

beast cutter is 2slow

>>123451113

Tried out the moveset, it's like a saw but slighter lay longer reach?

>>123450441
I understand how scaling works, but the higher a weapon's scaling is, the worse scaling gems will be on it because the % increase they give relative to the base scaling will be smaller.

I guess scaling gems are just that strong, though. It probably helps that the best radial arcanes you can get are 23.1% and that the scaling isn't split, like Ludwig's. I was thinking how Ludwig has a total of 1.6 scaling like parasite and that scaling gems are noticeably worse than 27.2% on it, but that doesn't quite translate over to parasite.

>>123450740
>milkweed bitch take the second brain fluid?
So what does she do?!

I gave her one fluid but thats it

>>123451051
it's counterhit damage but remember all this shit is multiplicative. so it's not 19.3 + 5.4, it's *, so it's more like 6.4, so 25.7%

you give up 2% AR on regular hits to gain 3% AR on counterhits (which already get a 20% bonus). IMO that's a good deal, especially considering that +flat ignores attack multipliers, but i guess YMMV

also keep in mind that nourishings with +flat can only get flat bolt/fire. so for a lot of weapons you use nourishing on, the +flat damage is split damage and in fact is quite miserable since it's almost fully mitigated by armor

>>123451162
it's the saw spear but even better

Saw spear was already one of the best weapons

>>123451162
Also much faster and more fluid. That's what I enjoy it for. The Beast Cutter is the weapon I've been using throughout the entire DLC though and it's equally fun.

>>123451090
darn i dropped out
hope you still make it

>>123451125

Are you set to Worldwide?

>>123451182
yeah i'm sure if you had a 27% arcane radial it would be better

>>123451323
yes

>tfw just beat down maria

Now, the question is, can you pvp in that area?

>>123450832
>>123450861
thanks bros! wat level are you waffle you hit like a fucking truck.

>>123451270
Alright, thanks.

Is there documentation somewhere of possible secondaries, or is this from your personal experience?

>>123451383

Level 75.

Does it show my ID or the character name?

>>123450441
Can you tell me what your AR is at as well as your arcane?

>>123451382
i know it's possible to invade into the flower arena but most of the times i did i was stuck in there because the host hadn't killed living failures yet

>>123451401
there's a pretty good fextralife blog about it, and i figured it out a while ago after i saw a complete list of 2ndaries, but i've never been able to find that list again

>>123451072
Nothing really.
Its an alternate version of the saw you can get at the start.

>>123451113
Yes its like the saw in normal mode and the axe in trick form(normal form axe)
It even has a similar charge to the axe in its tricked form.

Church pick is cool as fuck
Scraping the ground and shit looks cool.

Of all the dlc weapons i have found so far saif is the tamest one when it comes to its moveset.

>>123450507
yo Kob, you tried the Boom Hammer or Rakuyo yet? wonder if they're worth making a build for

>>123451412
i think i have mines set to ID. only level 75 wtf? chalice gems?

>>123451446
>you will never pvp on the beach of Mother Kos

Is it true that the loch shield cancels out all bullet damage?

Is the dlc supposed to be end game area?
I went there right after Amelia, and the hunters there completely rapes me.
one hit does 90% damage to me.
But I don't get that much experience from them, so they would be pretty much useless for xp if I go there later.

>>123451146
>beast cutter is 2slow
It stuns locks easier

>>123451436
off the top of my head it's 300 but I discovered today that the AR on kos parasite is extremely misleading

the stat screen AR is the AR of your human-form fist punch. the tentacle attacks have like a 2x multiplier. you can get "higher AR" with +flat effects (because the base AR i so low), but your damage will go down, because +flat effects ignore multipliers

other people itt have reported the same experience

>>123447237
>>123447237
Question - if I have both regular release disc and GOTY disc, can I play the DLC on my regular disc or move the savedata to GOTY disc? If I have the preorder hats dor messengers, do I get it on my GOTY disc? I sort of fucked up and now I own two games and have no idea which one I need to "main" to get every shit work

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What the hell, we got Ludwig to 2nd phase and he just died right there?

>>123451323
the fuck happened? My friend says he went to form two and straight up died.

>>123451567
>but your damage will go down, because +flat effects ignore multipliers
Shit fuck, so my ARC% + Flat arc wouldn't be as good as 23.1% arc's or cold abyssals?

>>123451525

Nah, no Chalice gems. I have an 18%, a 19 %, and a cursed 22.something% PHYS ATK up.

I got the last one from a brain lady right before the Orphan of Kos fight.

>>123451567
oh and 50 ARC

i think if you can find a 23% arc / + 14 flat arc radial it might be better, but it sucks to farm, and i don't think that's better than a cold abyssal with +%attack versus open foes

>>123451597
Its a glitch

Theres a youtube of it happening too.

Did they really not add any restat? Is there no way to save edit to fix shitty stats?

>>123449747

Ok thanks, your post was really informative. I might be slightly retaded, but I'm not quite sure I understand gems enough when it comes to adding flat and % damages, like for example arcane. I guess I want gems that have high for both of those?
What's the difference if I only put flat arcane gems to weapon vs. % arcane damage gems?

So anons, what are you favourite places to invade in the DLC
>tfw BL98 invasions are not only possible, but frequent now

>>123451004

Still need help?

>>123450735
>literally did everything correctly
>got the third brain fluid but no dialogue wants to appear as she's a blob laying there
what the fuck now?

>>123451615
in general no. the L2 might be an exception, because it is multi-hit

basically imagine that your AR is two times what is listed, except the +flats don't get that bonus. but the +flats are good for the JoJo L2 because it does many little hits

with colds and %s you can just tentacle slap people for stupid damage

>>123451597
>>123451661
we got my buddy through ludwig, though it wasn't legit, now i need to beat him.

>>123450735

I never once used the blood and still got the rune

>>123451619
damn. i should go get those.

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>>123449475
>>123449518
Ive had to repeat this to myself far to many times in this game

>>123451728
>>123451664
I wrote it down as I did it because I fucked it up the first time. I got the Milkweeed rune before I killed Maria I'm pretty sure so that wouldn't be it. I went out to the Balcony to get Blacksky Eye at one point I know, I don't know if that matters...

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>>123448823

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BL 66 can anyone lend their fellow Confederate a hand with this pesky Orphan? Password is Pizza

>>123451658
% stacks multiplicatively. +flat ignores all multipliers. this includes multipliers from other gems, and ALSO multipliers from the specific attack you are doing (e.g. your r2 hits harder than your r1, but +flats ignore this and always add the same damage)

so flats are really good when you have a low-multiplier attack, and bad when you have a high one

most attacks in the game have high multipliers. kos parasite has REALLY HIGH multipliers on all its attacks. it hits like a 600+ AR weapon when you only have 300 AR, because it has huge multipliers

the exceptions are attacks that hit multiple times, since each hit has a small multiplier, but +flats add damage to every single hit. the weapons that can do this are wheel, whirligig saw, and maybe the L2 of kos parasite (which i haven't tested)

>>123451762
B-but anon, she looks so soft, imagine a hug from her

>>123451597
>>123451661
you guys still in the area? could really use the help.
password is still shawn.

>>123451801

Where you ringing? Got it set to worldwide?

>>123451580
Anyone know pls

>>123451846
Right next to the fog door and yes

>>123451697

Are colds the ones that just increase ARC scaling + random effect? Where do I get them?

>>123451658
+% increases your damage by a %. So, e.g., let's say you have 200 arcane AR and add a +20% arcane gem. You'd end up with 240 AR. +flat adds a flat amount e.g. let's say you have the same 200 arcane AR and add a +50 flat arcane gem, you'd get 250 arcane AR.

>>123451794
Seemingly doesnt mean jack shit
I'll go kill that doll bitch in the clocktower and see if she wants to give it then. Why the fuck does FROM make this shit so complicated if its game breaking? I refuse to fucking lose another 6 hours grinding everything from scratch. Fuck this game.

>>123451801

Capital "P"?

>>123451841

Where do i ring, at the fog? or lamp?

>>123451878
cold abyssals drop from pthumerian elder. check the spreadsheet in the OP

they have to be abyssal (level 20), because there was a hidden buff to abyssal scaling gems in the last patch. just savescum until you get one

they're worth farming because they work for all elements and at least 1 is good on literally any weapon, often 2 is good. honestly it improved the arcane grind a lot since now there is a perfect gem for all weapons that drops off a relatively easy boss

>>123452038
fog

I'm so conflicted. I want to make some new characters
>Constable -name-, Valtr sawmill character
>Yog-something or other, blue skinned kin char for BL66 invasions
>Lady Maria cosplay
>Brador cosplay
HELP which one do I do first?

>>123451660

I just rang my sinister bell in the fishing hamlet, I got some guy using the gatling gun and the whirligig.

I thought I was fucked, until I realized just how agile and speedy you are using the saif and the old hunters bone. Poor cunt was trying to do the rev up R2 thing and I would just dodge around her and smack her with my saif.

>>123452046

How do i savescum?

>>123452083
i think i'm gonna make a 30/25/25 STR/SKL/ARC build named Darkbeast Carl Sagan

>>123451794
>>123452020
Alright I just slapped that blob another time, afraid at first it might perma kill her since I already got the third fluid. But seemingly then her glitch un-fucked and she spoke again. Time to fucking ayy some people

>>123452123

google savescum bloodborne

>>123452123
open the chalice glyph in the spreadsheet

clear to the desired boss

save and exit right before you fight it

copy your save to PSN or a USB stick (usually i do both in case i fuck up, one time i did that and felt pretty dumb)

go kill the boss

if it doesn't drop the gem you want, copy your old save back

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>>123452167
Kinvasions are the fucking best

>>123452213

Alright, thanks bitch

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>>123452023
That it is, got someone right now. Doctor Twaddle.

Well that happened.

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>>123452083

>want to remake my arc character into a blue skinned yog'oth
>don't wanna go through the pain of NG+ Orphan or CD grinding

>>123452243
i had to stop kinvading because it was literally too overpowered

>>123448631
What the fuck? Do those guys have 20 VIT or some shit?

>>123451878
>>123452046
So wait a sec, would this gem actually be good now? If so, how would that scaling work? (Gem on STR character, ignore that part and let's talk tentacles and arcane)

Also, sad they didn't put in a proper poison weapon

>>123452330
we're in the golden days of invasions where everyone with some kind of bizarre shit build has reactivated their character to clear the DLC

>>123452272
>This will be the fourth arcane character I've grinded out gems for in CD's
I'm so very over it but I'm so good at it now

>>123452083
Rev up those sliders skills if you're going to cosplay Lady Maria.

>>123452272
I know that feel :(

BTW, anybody got the correct shade of blue for parasite of kos down?

>>123452262

That's me anyway lel

are there any physical bloodgems you can get in the dlc before ludwig?

I just legged it through to get my Saif, would be nice to put a good gem in it straight away.

>>123452474
i think the hunters drop tempering gems but afaik there's nothing just lying around

Thoughts on Bowblade?
I'm enjoying it so far.

Anyone up for Orphan on NG? I'm sick of him. Password is bbg12 if anyone wants to help.

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>>123452431
>sliders skills
Okay I'll do that character once somebody else has made and published sliders

>>123448840
Not true, I was running a frenzy resist rune and could use it 3 times before getting frenzied on the third.

Would It be worth putting four more points into strength to get it to 14 to wield the Bloodletter on a pure bloodtinge build? For now I'm using Chikage and Simon's Bowblade.

>>123452529
Where are you ringing at?

Doll slut has some disgusting absurd ranges on some of those blood attacks.

>>123452579
absolutely. the trick mode is pure tinge, like chikage, and from what i've seen the moveset is much better than chikage

>>123452579
>would it be worth using one of the 2 bloodtinge melee weapons in the game on a bloodtinge build
hmm

>>123452601
Before the fog. With all the slimy things.

Ludwig is fucking hell.