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/vn/ - Visual Novel General #908

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Soon fellow neets edition

READ THE FOLLOWING, THIS IS IMPORTANT

>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:

1. If you downloaded your VN from Fuwanovel/Mofu, you're on your own.
2. Be in Japanese locale
3. Read the Readme
4. Read the wiki below
5. Google it

>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:
http://visual-novels-general.wikia.com/wiki/

>Need a novel with a specific element?
http://vndb.org/g

>What's wrong with Fuwanovel/Mofu?
http://pastebin.com/s6Me2D9i

>Download Links:
http://pastebin.com/U7HUj0fk

>Current visual novel translation status:
https://archive.moe/jp/search/tripcode/%21%21UcDDlzwANFs/type/op/
(archive.moe is down)

Previous threads:
>>122203507
http://pastebin.com/zeiYgLrs

This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels. Some untranslated discussion is allowed in moderation, but please keep in mind that the primary purpose of this thread is for translated games, and anything else will only be tolerated for as long as it does not hinder this purpose. If you see a blatant shitposter or someone being rude, please REPORT and ignore.

Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.

Thank you.
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Reminder to "Why are you reading a VN only you can read?" /jp/ rejects on sight!
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>>122394067

2nd for lolis
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3rdor best girl
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I downloaded Higurashi and Higurashi Kai a long time ago but never played them. Just noticed that Mangagamer released the second episode on Steam. Is it worth playing the new release which apparently has all the original sounds, and waiting for them to release them episode by episode over a number of years, or should I just play the old version with a clusterfuck of patches from higurashi tweak wikia applied?
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Looks nice
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>>122394640
It's shit.
-/jp/
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>>122394640
It's not shit.
- had"I read more Japstuff than everybody that ever visited /jp/"ler
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8th for slut
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>>122393498
Umineko is a rip-off of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tokyo_Zodiac_Murders
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>>122395521
9th for sluts-only-for-you are best
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Can /vn/ recommend me a good, funny VN?
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>>122395858
Ikikoi
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>>122395718
Inspired by, you faggot. You've been rekt before, so stop the bullshit.
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>>122395760

you're thinking of a nymphomaniac

nymphomaniac = god tier
slut = shit tier
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>>122395894

You finished my post before I even began. Sasuga anon
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>>122395760
A slut that's only for you is just a normal girl, and not a slut. It's like saying "a gay man who only likes girls" or "a football player that only plays basketball"... it's contradictory.
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>>122396046
>>122396158
Chill, it isn't the 9th post anyway
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>>122394698
>>122394890
This girl is too cute for the game to be shit. I hope its not.
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>>122396034
I've never posted it before, and it's pretty blatant.
Heck if it was just inspired R07 would at mention that, but he doesn't because he just copy-pasted like the hack he is
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>>122394640
>machinetl

why ? what's the point ?
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>>122396604
I don't get it, you probably didn't even read the Tokyo Zodiac books, if you had you'd know it's completely different, yet here you are talking about it based on knowledge from a wikipedia page summary. Shaking my head anon.
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>>122397615
I did read, there is a lot that is similar.
The fact that it begins with the tirade of a crazy old man trying to revive his perfect woman.
All the occult elements to obscure the mystery.
The closed rooms, they way they are done.
Heck even the true culprit is similar to Umineko's.

Even the meta aspect is similar since TZM is about trying to make sense of a series of murders that happened decade before.

You are just completely deluded because you are a crazy fanboy
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>>122396698
>those ribs
Disgusting. I'm not sure I would take tubs over that, but both are gross.
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>>122396698
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>>122398236
There is similar, but it's not a rip off, which you would know if you had *actually* read them both. Completely different themes and direction.
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>>122396698
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>>122396698
嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼
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test desu
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Post VNs
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>>122400871
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>>122400871
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>>122401006
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>>122401226
>tfw EOPs will never even know what they're missing out on
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>>122396698
Thanks Mister Skeltal
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>>122400871
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So I'm retarded. How do I search multiple tags at once on vndb?
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>>122403157
homepage -> click visual novels -> filters
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Why do we have to delve into fucking yaoi otome to escape moe waifu faggotry? This medium sure is going places in EOPland.
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>>122403226
Thanks.
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>>122403282
>Why do we have to delve into fucking yaoi otome to escape moe waifu faggotry?
If only you knew Japanese and could delve in to the brilliant works of Ninetail, Akebei Soft3, Nitro+, and Light.
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>>122403126
Please tell me this is a satirical crop and not an actual tiltjob. No VN could possibly have that shitty widescreen CGs.
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>>122403282
>to escape moe waifu
why would you ever want to do that?

Moe waifus are the best.
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>>122403639
oh its real mang.

It was posted a while ago, i tilted it and we all made fun of the original because it was basically sideways.
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>>122403659
>Moe waifu
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>>122403638
>Akebei Soft3

That company is legit shit though, just like the game you posted a cropped vndb screenshot of.
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>>122403638
>Ninetail
Not sure if serious.
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>>122404083
Ain't waifu shit.
>>122404147
The protagonist of Kikaijikake is a man's man.
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Post you're waifu EOP edition.
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Trying to play Phantom of Inferno in 2015 is like trying to perform autio fellatio by bending your spine backwards. DVD games are fucking garbage. 2012 remake translation or even just a port to Intergration when?
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>>122404605
>2015
>not performing backwards auto-fellatio
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Any of you play Shinigami no Kiss wa Wakare no Aji?
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>>122404272
>The protagonist of Kikaijikake is a man's man.
Tierra is much of a protagonist than Masaya most of the time, Masaya is only the protagonist during the slice of life and ero scenes but Tierra is the pov character during most of the story scenes

>Ain't waifu shit.
Aerial is shit shit though
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>>122406181
>Aerial is shit shit though
I haven't read it yet, but it remains non-waifu shit.
Also, I don't really put much weight in your opinion because people call Muv Luv Alt shit all the time even though it's a great game.
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>>122404449
Im a man of simple taste.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>122408386
You lost me
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>>122408386
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>>122408386
>>122408541
lmao virgins
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>>122408386
THUNDER THUNDER THUNDER THUNDERCATS HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnvL3G_iamk

Is this what Dovac really looks like? I used to hate him, but now I just pity him. No wonder he only gets laid in eroge.
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>>122410503
>sekai project
Almost opened your link.
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>>122410503
No way. That's Dovac?
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>>122410503
Who is Dovac?
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>>122410503
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>>122411280
is that actually dovac?
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>>122410587
>don't talk about untranslated games, those belong in /jp/
Okay, then let's talk about games that are getting translated. Oh wait, no, we can't do that because we all hate SP and JAST. People are even starting to shittalk MG's new game Euphoria so I don't know whether it's actually interesting and plot-driven or just a nukige with extreme content.
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>>122411521
>Shittalk a game which is literally a scat fetish nukige
I mean, of course we're going to shittalk shitgame.
We don't hate JAST, and most of MG's stuff is pretty cool.
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>>122411521
I'm excited for Euphoria.
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>>122410503
All those games look so trashy, glad I'm not an EOP.
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>Haruka 90%
We can talk about that, right?
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>>122412281
I hope it does well so that they bring over more AliceSoft games. Pretty hyped for Haruka too.
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>>122401725
That was said a million times and I have yet to play VN that is amazing.
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>>122411479
Dovaciin, Dovaciin
naal ok zin los vahriin
wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
Ahrk fin norok paal graan
fod nust hon zindro zaan
Dovaciin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!
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>>122412281
>>122412405
>gameplay
Is it good? Seems mediocre
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>>122412405
#ninjatopia #blowjobtopia #rapetopia #tentacletopia #futatopia #dogtopia #yuritopiamaybekindofnotreally
I'm a little upset they chose something so edgy for the first thing to bring over. If it does poorly, Malicesoft might not bring anything else over, which means no Tsumashibori or Rance 6.
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>>122412405
I hope it doesn't do well so I can listen to more butthurt coming from EOPs
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>>122412281
Both the Alice Soft general and /hgg/ seem more appropriate desu
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>>122413113
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Can we talk about the newest hit vn?
http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ165225
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>>122418245
Is this just a Sengoku Rance knock off?
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Can we talk about why its ded/10 on a Sunday eve?
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>>122419285
Because it's a Monday morning
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>>122419285
>>122419502
Means wagekeks are in bed or at work.

NEETs are too busy actually playing visual novels.
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>>122419651
>NEETs are too busy actually playing visual novels.
Indeed
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I hate how Key games force you to play through every girl's route to get to the true end.

I always get bored reading through some girl I don't care about's route and end up dropping it.
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>>122411479
No. That's just some youtube shill. Talks like a total goober too.
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>>122394203
because that accomplishes something other than you being a fucking retard
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>>122421190
It's like a free (You) so it only encourages me.
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>>122419721
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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>>122419651
>have money but no time to use it for the things you enjoy
or
>have no money but have all the time in the world

there needs to be a fucking middle ground.
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So, in the most visual novels that I have read, the girl always says something like feeling the dick twitch right before it cums, is that a real thing 3DPD can do or what
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>>122425326
Shove a dildo up your ass and wiggle it around and you'll have an answer.
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>>122425326
the vag is supposed to be one of the most sensitive regions in the human body, so I wouldn't doubt it.
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>>122423826
There is a middle ground.
>be a NEET and use NEETbux to buy things you don't actually need but still want
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>>122423826
The middle ground is being an electrician/plumber/other trade skill contractor. You can choose what you want to do and you get paid absurd amounts because nobody does it.

Either that or doc/postdoc. Postdoc is the dream world I've heard tale of, where you get paid a stipend to sit around your own lab for a year and then return negative results with no accountability and no boss.
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>>122411521
holy shit it's time to stop typing
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>>122429806
>posted 3 hours ago
Lil' late
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>>122430129
yeah...... didn't think thread was this slow
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>>122425326
Yeah it's a real thing. That's why if you ever have to fake an orgasm you need to clench and unclench a few times to be convincing
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>>122423695
Why are you memeing a meme only you can meme?
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>>122430376
>Male
>faking an orgasm
How what?
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Is it possible to use the suntan patch for Koisuru Natsu no Last Resort along with the English patch?
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105th for Saber!
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>>122432729
Only for fandisc
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>>122432803
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>>122432838
Fandisk has an English patch?
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>>122432964
Nope
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>>122432925
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>>122432983
So the suntan patch can't be used for anything for EOPs?
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>>122433125
その通り
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>>122433150
>
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>>122432729
It works for me, kinda weird though.
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>>122433702
Oh, it did? Well shit, I guess I spoke too soon.
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>>122433764
Yup, though maybe its just me but it doesn't seem to work properly. They're tan, but naked lol. I'll probably try to fix it later.
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Is this SFW?
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>>122434208
>They're tan, but naked lol.
Kimi to Boku to no Kishi no Hibi did something similar, where you could just have everyone naked from the start thanks to a patch. Pretty weird
>>122434325
That's funny as hell
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>>122434208
>they're naked
>try to fix it
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>>122434325
>reptiles with tits
Excuse me?
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>>122432675
For when you jerked off too many times that day or you're just too drunk
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>>122434576
Judging by the title of the game, the dragons are representative of the Big Breast and Flat chest factions respectively. Their depiction as dragons locked in a titanic struggle serves to emphasize the global importance of the argument and the potential for destruction in their pursuit for their ideals.
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>>122434390
Oh, that would make sense. Thought I did something wrong.
>>122434468
Hey man, just found it weird to be crying on campus naked and tanned. I liked it though.
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>>122394616
>just released second episode
Well that was out of fucking nowhere, I was checking their site regularly for news of it and didn't know when the next was gonna drop. Thanks anon
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So uh... does Majikoi S actually get good at some point? All I got so far is pointless fanservice.
Tsubame's route was okay with the tournament but that's the only 'exciting' thing that's happened.
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>>122436784
It's a fandisc.
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>>122436784
The true route is great, you just have to suffer through the rest of the game to get there.
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>>122436904
Majikoi SEQUEL
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>>122438096
Most visual novel "sequels" are just fandiscs.

Like Majikoi S.
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>>122438246
S for SEQUEL
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>>122438391
S for SHIT
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>>122438391
Ignoring the fact that it's a fandisc and the S doesn't stand for anything, if that's true then what does A stand for.
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>>122438480
>>122438391
S for h-h-hidoi.
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>>122438391
S for SABER
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>>122438598
A for filicide?
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>>122438391
S for SNAKE
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>>122438532
For me, they said on their website:
>We were going to make this a fandisc, but we realized it was going to be big enough to be a full fledged sequel, so we made it a sequel
The fact the creators themselves call it a sequel, and specifically not a fandisc, means that to me, calling it a fandisc is just being contrarian
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>>122438532

Atrocious.
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>>122438391
S for speaking japanese
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>>122438532
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What are the lastest nukige / sex-based games that have been fan translated?
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>>122439480
last resort
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>want to continue playing VN
>open VN
>go to load game
>remember I'm at a H-scene
>close VN
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>>122439602
I said sex-based games not moege
>>122439607
Is this a new meme?
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english visual novels are over
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>>122436993
Ah alright then, I'm almost done with Monchiro which is my last one so I'll see.
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dedd
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>>122441449
yup
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>>122440641
does this mean it's okay to post untranslated stuff?
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>In comparison to the past me, I don’t really like translation in most instances. If I were to give the intuitive reason as to “Why?,” I’d be predisposed to argue that if a fan was truly fan, then they ought to learn Japanese. After all, to call oneself a visual novel fan without being capable to read Japanese (which the greater amount of all visual novels are written, and untranslated from) is a contentious declaration in some respects. A translation, no matter how ‘good’, by definition, likely cannot surpass the original work if the intent of a translation is to convey the original author’s sentiments. In this instance, my concern with not reading a language in its derivative prose isn’t a technical one (it is true though, that certain phrases are better left in Japanese, untranslatable to most dissimilar languages). But rather, one of scope. There are approximately 8-15 new visual novels being released monthly, with each, having at least fifteen hours of reading time. A translated work however, is announced once in a while, and completed, a year or so (at ‘good pace’) after its announcement. So if the concern was one purely pragmatic (time investment:amount of works read), then certainly, investing in learning a language would provide far more benefits than waiting patiently.
-translator of koirizo
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
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>>122439480
Bunny Black is the latest one.
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>>122442065
Of course
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>>122442168
where did he post that? fuwanovel?
what were you doing there?
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Did Subahibi ever come out?
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>>122442168
>if the intent of a translation is to convey the original author’s sentiments
For anything that isn't 2deep4u Scaji shit, the author's sentiments pretty much don't matter. His logic that translation can't be as good as the original falls apart there. If a story starts out being shit like Comyu's, no amount of fancy language will save it, untranslatable or not.
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>>122442563
http://mdzanime.me/2015/02/11/on-translating-self-reflection/
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I just knew clicking a hundred times would let me see her naked. Very nice indeed.
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>>122442608
You pretty much misunderstood that.
A translation is taking Japanese, and turning it into English. What's the goal of the translation? If it's to carry the same meaning as the Japanese (the author's sentiments) then the translation will always be inferior. You say 2deep4u shit but it's actually the case for a lot of mundane things, which isn't a phenomenon you can properly understand without knowing 2 languages yourself, I think. If a translation is intended to IMPROVE the original text, like how Arduoc fixed script errors and overall blandess in Kamidori, then yes translations can surpass the original, in certain viewpoints. However, most translations aren't like that; most are, of course, trying to reflect the original Japanese's sentiments, and therefore they are always inferior.
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>>122442895
I understood what he was saying, but I was nitpicking at that particular though process. I know three languages, granted the only translation I've done is a lot cleaner because the languages are pretty close. The goal of translation should never be the equivalent of a human dictionary. The author's sentiments, in the sense of being the particular words used to represent their intent, are mostly worthless. "I want you to put c**k in me anon-kun" and "Take me now" both have the same intent, but the particular sentiment is different. One of them sounds awkward in one language, the other in the other. Operating from the assumption that the goal of translation is to best present the same content to an audience using a different basis of knowledge and shared experience using different words and figurative language, it's necessary to discard the particular expressions used in the original. But that's fine, because it's rare that there isn't some near equivalent in the output language. Sometimes that near equivalent is better at communicating the intent than the original. Japanese stuff loves to fuck with pronouns, and a lot of that kind of thing actually works better in a language like Spanish where you can do the same thing but better. If the rest were translated literally, then the translation would therefore be the same or better than the original for discarding the sentiments but keeping the intent.

It all comes down to whether or not you think the goal of translation is sentiments (e.g. wording) or intent (e.g. meaning).
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>>122443636
Alright. Do you think translations can convey the intent of an author better than the original text? Do you think translations tend to succeed in that?
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Remember guys, math is a language. EVERYONE knows at least two languages.
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>>122443716
They absolutely can. I point to the Spanish pronouns example I gave. Some tricks just straight up work better in other languages. It can be clear that the intent is to mislead with pronoun usage from the Japanese, but the Spanish equivalent can just skip straight past all that and have it be implicit.

Whether most translations do succeed at it is another matter entirely. Many translators opt for the human dictionary route and as a result things seem awkward when you read them. Compare with the stuff Koestl does. He totally rewrote the "A Magi Nation" scene, but he nailed the intent of the original.
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You know, I really want to learn japanese but I'm just so fucking unmotivated to do beyond my anki reps everyday that I just can't do it.
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>>122444123
>>122444123
Sign up for a class at community college for it then. The fact that you're paying money will be enough motivation to do your damn studying.
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>>122444236
I'm in university and I don't even go to the lectures even though I'm paying for them.
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Are otome gays allowed in these threads?
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>>122444654
Sure man, whats up?
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>>122444031
I see. I understand your sentiments, and in fact my perspective on translations has been brightened. However, despite that, I still agree with >>122442168 in general, for two primarily reasons, which I have encountered quite often in my own translation endeavours:
1) Sentiments (i.e. wording) is often fairly important in a work. Even if intent is 100% conveyed, I would say that the translation is inferior to the original which 100% conveyed both wording AND meaning.
2) The simple fact that the vast vast majority of translators are not nearly competent enough to achieve 100% intent/meaning in the first place.
I have definitely improved my views on translations on an ideal level, but in the "real world", ideal translations are not made, and even perfectly ideal translations are inferior to do changed sentiments. You mentioned in the beginning
> the author's sentiments pretty much don't matter.
However, I think they do. As an "exaggerated" example, every word in certain Shakespeare plays follows iambic parameter. To convey the intent of shakespeare, but to do so without maintaining rhymes/iambic parameter/puns etc will be "inferior" to the original. To use a "common" example, the Japanese have like 100 creative words for female genitals, but a translation will always be forced to either stick to intent (vagina/pussy) and lose flavor, or will be forced to be awkward (love hole/honey pot/flesh crevice).
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>>122444712
Just looking for recommendations. Feeling like I've seen too many of the same shit.
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Has Princess evangelion 2 and imouto paradise 2 been announced yet?
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>>122444031
>He totally rewrote the "A Magi Nation" scene, but he nailed the intent of the original.

Just curious, but which scene was that?
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>>122445069
Nope. Try next year.
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>>122445069
Imopara 2 was in the works by MG wasn't it?
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>>122445652
I didn't hear anything about it. I don't work there though and I certainly do not get paid to shill their great products like boob wars on this site.
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>>122442168
I guess everybody who can't speak Japanese aren't allowed to be a fan of any media from Japan because it's all translated then.
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>>122445652
I think fan translators are actually working on it.
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>>122446059
What I took from " if a fan was truly fan" was that someone who REALLY likes visual novels would be willing to put forth the effort to learn Japanese given the HUGE rewards for doing so. Obviously, you can be a fan without having sufficient passion to give a hoot. I'm a fan of Korean cinematography, but do not plan to learn Korean. That's because my passion is not very high, and plenty of movies have subtitles.
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Is Yandere Translations dead?
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>>122446608
Long since
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>>122446746
Who'll translate Aiyoku no Eustia then?
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>>122412281
It's out!

http://tanoshimi.xyz/2015/11/16/kami-no-chinpo/
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>>122446797
Nobody right now. The partial came out *exactly* 3 years ago and there has not been a peep of anyone picking it up. Three years, anon. There's not a high chance of someone picking it up in the future, either, considering the length of the game.
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>>122446903
I'll learn moon and translate it myself.
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>>122446903
I'll translate it, just give me more time to learn jipjap.
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>>122446983
>>122447034
can this be a new meme? i want this to be a new meme.
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>>122447158
I promise I will. Give me at least 10 years to finish college and learn moon and translate it. Just stay alive until then.
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>>122446983
>>122447034
Yeah, sure. So you say now. There's a reason that people don't finish translation projects, you know. It's like that Fyodor Dostoevsky quote:
> ... to say that he was stupid or dull would be a great injustice. I'll simply repeat what I have said above. He entered upon this path only because, at that time, it alone struck his imagination and presented itself to him as offering an ideal means of escape for his soul from darkness to light. Add to that that he was to some extent a youth of our last epoch- that is, honest in nature,desiring the truth, seeking for it and believing in it, and seeking to serve it at once with all the strength of his soul, seeking for immediate action, and ready to sacrifice everything, life itself,for it. Though these young men unhappily fail to understand that the sacrifice of life is, in many cases, the easiest of all sacrifices,and that to sacrifice, for instance, five or six years of their seething youth to hard and tedious study, if only to multiply tenfold their powers of serving the truth and the cause they have set before them as their goal such a sacrifice is utterly beyond the strength of many of them.
Mainly
> Though these young men unhappily fail to understand that the sacrifice of life is, in many cases, the easiest of all sacrifices,and that to sacrifice, for instance, five or six years of their seething youth to hard and tedious (translation) ... is utterly beyond the strength of many of them.
I started translating a VN and it is grueling. It has 9,000~ lines. I go through 100 lines through about an hour of dull work every morning. It's going to take me 3 months to finish, daily dedication to something I don't really enjoy. Aiyoku is 65,489 lines. About 10,000 are translated, *maybe*, so that leaves you with 55,000. Are you willing to tediously work on this for hours every day for 1.5 years? For NO benefit to yourself, except that OTHER people get to read it? I don't think that's likely, anons.
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>>122447667
Give me 10 years. Screencap this post.
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>>122447667
I'm gonna do it, believe in me.
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>>122447667
Also, what are you translating?
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>>122447667
I always had fun translating stuff from English to my native language.
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>>122448000
https://vndb.org/v12589
I'll admit the huge amount of sex makes this even more dull (and slightly harder in some respects) than your average game but overall I think I've got a grasp on the process. The only reason I'm even able to go as fast as I am is because I don't care too much about preserving "sentiments" and have gone entirely on "intent" which for porn makes it way easier. Someone TL'ing Aiyoku would have a harder time.
>>122448159
I happily translate doujins, song lyrics, etc for friends, but holy SHIT vns are on another goddamn level. A doujin has like, 200 lines maybe, a song has 50-some, VNs have fuckin' unending thousands of lines, most of which are lengthy and hard to word properly. It beats on your soul. You spend like 6 hours straight translating a day for the first week and you've hardly made a dent. You weep.
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>>122448453
>https://vndb.org/v12589
>every girl is cowtittied
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>>122448558
I like lolis but I don't really like fuckin' them. It's purely a coincidence that there's no pettanko.
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>>122448639
There's an in between.
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So what does /vn/ think of the Teisou kannen zero game?
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>>122448684
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>>122448842
Hot as hell.
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>>122448453
I ran into that problem myself. It especially hurts because all the lines are in one big document, so even when you spend hours on it you've barely scrolled down the page. The trick is to just break it into manageable chunks, translate a section at a time, and if you're struggling with a part (either because you don't know how to translate it, or you're just really bored), go translate another section that you like more, or just stop working on it for a while. The other solution is to stop posting about it, because if you keep saying you're gonna do it, people will expect you to, which creates pressure, which can actually make it harder to translate. Just remember that nobody's forcing you to do this, you can do it at whatever pace you like, and if you want you can quit anytime.
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>>122448453
why are you even bothering to TL that?
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>>122449217
I have it split into chunks of 100 lines a day. The laziness I feel far exceeds any pressure, the only pressure I really feel is to actually succeed at something and do something vaguely important (to me). The best thing that happened to me was learning Koirizo had a translation riddled with errors, because if people didn't care about THAT, they won't care about mistakes in my translation either (moreso decisions to change things than mistakes), so a lot of the pressure of living up to expectations was lessened. If the going gets really bad I'll just drop it to 50 lines a day and finish in 6 months, or even 25 and in 1 year. I wouldn't WANT to do that but it's an option I'll take over quitting, for sure.

And yeah, what a fuckin' huge document; sometimes I hit like space or something and scroll down a lot, so I have to slowly go through like a thousand untl'd lines to get back to my place. What a downer.
>>122449237
1) I like it a lot
2) It's pretty short
3) I didn't know what I was getting into or how much work it'd really be
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>>122449625
Well keep up the good work, I'm rooting for you.
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>>122449217
>>122449625
one thing that helps alot is if you can get a decent programmer/scripter/hacker that can rip the text from the game for you in a logical manner. it's night and day working on one large block of text in notepad compared to being able to have the text ripped out in sequential order in notepad, or being able to work and edit all the text as an online document then run a script that dumps it all correctly into said text document.
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>>122394067
Did they translate Nonchan's route?
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>>122449917
Thanks, I just hope I have enough determination.
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>>122450907
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>tfw you're beating guts at 3 AM
what are you up to /vn/
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>>122452797
Setting up my bot for a game and then going to continue getting my heart broken by KnS.
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>>122452797
Reading this VN that recently came out called Life is Strange.
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>>122452797
3 AM here as well
I've been trying to get back into Rance VII after giving up for a while.
First time through and playing blind, I wasted so much time in the beginning trying to fuck all the girls.
>look up a guide
>find out all my tactics/armies are shit
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Goddamn I always get so depressed after finishing a VN.

Characters feel alive to me, until the story's finished.
Just finished Umineko, and knowing I'll never hear fresh Beato/Battler dialogue again really hurts
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>>122453209
>it shows me the fat dude plotting to kill me
>i attack him
>it was a trick all along, the game was baiting me into a trap by showing me that scene
>i completely fell for it
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>>122452797
if i can make it through this route without killing myself i'll finally get to nagisa and riho.
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>>122453356
>if i can make it through this route without killing myself
good luck
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>>122453356
Killing self out of boredom or loneliness?
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>>122453493
>boredom
i'm literally only playing this game because of pic related another anon posted a few threads back.
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>>122453614
NTR is my fetish.
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>>122452797
>tfw impossible to find torrent anywhere
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>>122453821
Nevermind guys, Jast decided that it would be fun to translate it into all ages version
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>>122454020
At least we're getting the 18+ version of the sequel. It's taking forever though.
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>>122453821
torrent of what
the older version?
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>>122454674
I was looking on sukebei and couldnt find it, but then realised it only has an all ages TL and saw that it is on nyaa, so not even worth downloading anymore.
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>>122454741
porn doesn't add anything to the game tbqhwu
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>>122454820
Doesn't matter. Censoring is just stupid.
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>>122454820
But an all ages VN isn't worth playing in the first place
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>>122454861
If a woman gives you a pie, would you refuse it if you saw she took 1 of the 6 slices before handing it over?
5 slices is worse than 6, but it's not like it ultimately matters. Sweating the small stuff is not a wise thing to do. Take stands against censorship when it actually matters, not when porn is cut from an RPG.
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>>122453719
bullying girls in general is becoming mine.
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>>122455047
If I bought a pie and the woman in the counter steals a portion of it, yeah I would fucking refuse. I want the whole goddamn pie.
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>>122454861
yeah it's stupid but I'm not going to avoid playing censored games, that's just pointless

>>122454870
That doesn't make any sense
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>>122455158
Don't change the analogy, punk, you're missing the point. Which is that not having the sixth slice does not make the other five slices any worse. You're looking at a full fledged RPG and refusing to play it (pirate it, I might add) simply because of the sixth slice being missing, thereby putting the other 5 to waste. You're making a big deal out of a small thing, and thereby making a mess of it all.
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>>122455365
Maybe you just don't value that small piece of pie enough.
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>>122455421
You would have a point were this not an RPG, where obviously the RPG and story aspects of the game are far more valuable than the lackluster porn.
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>>122455489
>than the lackluster porn.
really is a shame
looked up the CG set after beating it a few times and can honestly say nothing was lost
also isn't the sequel coming in september?
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>>122455606
But anon, how can I enjoy the sequel to its fullest potential if I haven't played the first one because it was censored?
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>>122455606
It was supposed to be.
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eien no aselia's ending credits always make me tear up
I can't take it
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>>122456307
i hope ISIS targets thomas-chan next.
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Is ImoParadise at least a good fap?
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>>122457203
It's great if you like vanilla with wincest
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>>122457535
Eh, good enough.
I thought you could fuck the sister in KnS but I heard you can't. I need my fix.
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>>122457535
i'm not sure if armpit sex or back-of-the-knee sex are vanilla but i'm pretty sure pegging and bondage aren't.
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>>122457693
Woops, looks like my only reading a few hours of it didn't give the correct impressions
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>>122457693
>pegging
I'm still fine with it.
What other major fetishes are there?
Futa is basically the only thing I can't do.
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>>122456307
Why are you reading a VN only you can read?
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>>122457808
>I'm still fine with it.

>What other major fetishes are there?
just look it up on vndb. michika is the one with pegging/bondage, rio has the other stuff i mentioned, along with sleep sex, haven't finished the route though. and i didn't play much of hiyori's route but she wet herself.
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>>122455158
That's not what's happening though. She's selling you the pie with a bit cut out, you're not buying the whole pie. Her taking a bit before hand isn't theft, until you bought it you had no rights over the pie or say in what happened to it. Her taking a bit out is only relevant if she promised you the whole pie and then took a slice which is not what's happening. If you don't like the h-scenes being cut out (by the way fucking h-scenes!?!) then don't play/buy the game, but you absolutely don't get to act like you've had something stolen from you because the creator of the product decided not to include something. You're an entitled fucking child and you need to grow up.
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What's wrong with wanting to fuck your sister?
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>>122459753
Absolutely nothing.
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>learn Japanese for eroge
>end up losing your virginity to a jap girl that likes eroge
>mfw
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What's some good VNs with monster girls in them.
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>>122460318
https://vndb.org/v10947
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>this is a CG from a VN considered all-ages and SFW in Japan
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>>122459753
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>>122460306
Who are you talking about?
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I want to finish KnS but I don't want anyone to die.
Please tell me everyone survives in the good ending.
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HERO
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>>122462520
There are going to be some deaths but you will also save some people in the True end. Also, there is no Good end, just Normal, True and a lot of Bad ends. If everything ends too happily then there wouldn't be any sequels, right?
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No Yukari H scene
why live?
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Fuck this game.
Fuck fuck. Just, fuck.
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>>122464532
She was my favorite girl too, they gave her emotes and everything. .
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>>122464603
Mine too. She had the most personality.
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>>122453356
She's adorable you faggot
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Has everyone read Yu-no?
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Jesus fuck. Toko is fucking annoying.
I really hope she dies.
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I want to fuck a cat girl
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>>122466997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2hZYD1s-xY
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How do you make translation patches? You need to know assembly I heard.
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>>122467206
All depends on how the program processes and/or reads its text.

For example if the game's script was entirely in a .txt file, you could just go in and change it.
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Why is Romeo so good writer, /vn/?

>EOPs will never know this feel
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>>122468086
If it's so good then why isn't it translated yet?
Sorry to bust your bubble but only good VNs get translated.
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>>122468086
He isn't. The only good work he made isn't even a VN.
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>>122468086
>>122468126
Loving these memes. They're really a classic, tested by time. Other ones like "he has a point" and "only you can read" just could not withstood the test of time
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>>122468414
>>122468086
Those English skills though. lmao
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>>122468519
A true Japanese JOP Peasant.
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>>122464532
Are spoiler tags a long lost and forgotten function?
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>>122468624
The game was released in 2011.
Don't tell me you're one of those people that still don't know Snape kills Dumbledore in Harry Potter.
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>>122468519
I though it was pretty funny. I read it in a bad Russian accent.
>Yevgeny! Why is Romeo so good writer?
>Oh no! I spill my drink!
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>>122465968
which Toko? if you mean Kuchiki Toko, kill yourself.
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>>122468768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzpcUOfYb0
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>>122468768
what the fuck is harry potter?
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>>122468869
Both.
Both are fucking shit.
>wah wah i'm adopted
>wah wah i'm too self centered to not take the initiative to fix my relationship with my mother
Wah fucking wah.
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>>122469095
I figured as much. Try to find something more shocking please.
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>>122469114
Their mothers doesn't even love them. There is nothing to fix. This goes for both Toko's.
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>>122468768
>>122464532 is the proof some people still havent read it and only do it now, mostly because of kns2's translation.
Stop being an inbred retard.
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>>122464532
This hurt so much the first time I read KnS and it still made me feel like shit when rereading 4 years later.
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>>122469310
Kuchiki's mother does. If she didn't she would have probably kicked her out.
And you find out that her mother genuinely cares about her.

As for the other Toko, the yandere one, I don't really care for her. She should die regardless.
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>>122468869
>constantly "muh morals and muh loyalty to my loved ones" throughout each route
>true route where suzu's fate is unknown after she's been kidnapped
>day before rescue attempt, fucks Sakura and cums like 5 times in every orifice
>despite the fact that he's been romantically involved with the main heroine throughout the whole route, it's okay because it's a one-time thing and he and Suzu will be together forever
>never mentioned again by anyone
Quality writing.
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>>122469106
Hentai for grandpas.
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>>122470430
Nice spoilers.
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>>122470548
Godlike reading skills if you can absorb all that information before realizing that it's spoilerific.
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>>122470702
Thanks, I try.
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>>122454820
>porn doesn't add anything to the game
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>>122470974
This is my favorite bingo game.
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>>122470974
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>>122448921
This is sad. Medium is best why must we go to such extremes?
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>>122471580
who is this qt animes?
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that's it, I'm going to read Koichoco in Japanese, my japanese isn't that good and I struggle to read manga, but that will be better than waiting forever.
/jp/ won, as usual.
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Why are there so few games that let you choose whether you want to be gay or straight like in real life?
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>>122472447
if you think you can actually choose to be gay, anon, I have bad news for you; you're gay.
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>>122472360
>>122394067

>>122472408
ダービーに出た馬だけが勝つって
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shitposting
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It's out!!1

http://tanoshimi.xyz/2015/11/16/kami-no-chinpo/
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>>122473181
Should I read it if I'm an EOP
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>>122473181
tl fucking dr
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>>122473016
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>>122473583
I want to have Makina as a daughter.
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>>122474365
I want to give birth to a daughter as Makina.
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>>122474365
You wanna make papa-babies with her?
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>>122474365
Makina mother is better.
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>>122474869
RIP.
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>>122474869
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>>122475139
>>122475163
what did I miss?
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>>122475227
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>>122475227
Anon had a hard life.
He lived fast and fapped hard.
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>tfw I don't remember the last time I looked into the mirror and didn't have some degree of blood shot eyes
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>>122475227
>How come when I masturbate it gets all over everything and makes a mess?
You should use the 4chan X browser plugin, senpai.
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>>122475435
>using bloated plugins
No thanks.
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>>122475513
dat functionality doe mang
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What's the Freddy Got Fingered of visual novels?
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>>122476069
SubaHibi
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How do you unlock the gallery mode in KnS?
I already beat the game but I don't think it's the right end. Do I have to get it to unlock the gallery?
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>>122453614
>tfw I'm that anon
Power through, anon. Lots of Koirizo is shit but some is nice (some like parts of Nagisa, best route)

I finished it just recently and it was okay. Like a typical mediocre moege. Certainly not something I'd ever re-read. Finishing off a route in Konosora then not sure what to read next. Might focus on Counte of Monte Cristo instead of VN for a while.
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>>122476408
Its been a while but if I recall there are three actual endings and the rest are bad ends. You need a real ending credits and all.
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>>122476472
>Might focus on Counte of Monte Cristo instead of VN for a while.
Can't even be bothered to finish that shit. Anyone that says that VNs have bad writing has never read classic literature.
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I like this painting from KnS.
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What the fuck is going on with the DVD version of Phantom of Inferno? Half the spoken lines aren't translated, and at times, it just says "..." as they speak. Did they really not bother translating most of it?
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>>122477035
>Did they really not bother translating most of it?
Yes.
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>>122476901
What version? There are various translations and some are abridged. I got non-abridged by Robin Buss which is non-translated. Non-abridged keeps everything, such as much of the dialogue. I first watched Gankutsuou and enjoyed the fuck out of it then bought the book. Enjoying it greatly so far.

And it depends on VN vs novel/classic. VN is very easy to read as a whole and most don't require much thinking. Some classic literature that hasn't been updated/translated for modern times at all can be grating.
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>>122477129
Ehh? Is it really that bad? Should I take it off the kamige classification on the forgotten chart?
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>>122476886
Well, I got three endings so far.
One with Toko alive and in the hospital, and one where she's dead. Third is she's dead.
I thought the one where she's alive is the good ending.
I think I'll just look at a walkthrough.
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Euphoria out yet?
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>>122477151
>which is non-translated
Non-abridged. It is translated to English, fairly modern version. Been slack on my proof-reading lately. Might pick up some more Nitro+ titles actually. Only read 4 and enjoyed the hell out of them.
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Is Gakthun fully voiced, or is it just partial voices like the original release of Inganock/Sharnoth were?
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>>122477316
It's coming out on Friday next week.
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>>122477469
But I want it now
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>>122477195
It's awful. Most of the times, only a fraction of what is said is actually translated, and the rest of the time it's not translated at all. What little is translated is also entirely in engrish.

The remake isn't licensed by any western developer, so you'd think someone would be interested in translating this classic. Easily some of Urobuchi's best work, up there with Kikokugai.
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I'm not entirely sure if i must ask this here, but may as well. In Ace Attorney, during 2-3, Nick says that Miles dissappeared after the von Karma case, does that mean that 1-5 isn't canon due to not being in the GBA version?

It was pretty great, and if it ends up being not-canon then i would be pretty sad.
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>>122478185
it is canon because the evens of Rise from the Ashes are relevant in Apollo Justice.
it's just not very consistent, yeah.
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I hope it will be released at the beginning of next year. I have to wait over one year.
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>>122478607
if it wasn't announced by now, I doubt it will be released by January- wait, I meant: "why are you posting a game only you can read?"
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>>122478607
It's going to take place in a fantasy world setting so I'll probably need to texthook it, so I'll save that for later either way.
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>>122470974
>we wouldn't have it at all if it wasn't censored
this is actually valid for eien no aselia
nobody wanted to translate it with the tentacle rape ending
you kids really need to know when fighting for something matters
Not playing a good game for free simply because it's censored is just you being a brat
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>>122479210
Well JAST only continued to use the censored version because they were too lazy to retranslate something they could use a fan translation for. If not for the pre-existing fan translation they probably would have gone for the non-censored version. (Though arguably they might not have picked it up at all if they couldn't cash in on a pre-existing translation.)
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>>122479785
the 18+ and all ages version are literally different games, anon
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>>122436692
Well, they already gave the release date on Steam like 2 weeks ago, and it came out Friday.
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>>122394067
What the fuck is the point to include the archive.moe link you fucking degenerate?
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>>122481557
It will come back one day! I believe!
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>>122394067
OP´s pic gave me hope that KoiChoco is out...
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>>122482410
>KoiChoco
>being out
>ever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHA
HAHA
AHHHHHH
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Is this true?
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Any word on the Konosora fandisk translation? I heard some time ago it was in the works but I don't have any links to the progress of it and haven't heard anything about it since.

>inb4 never
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>>122482482
It's out though, fag
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>>122483468
I love this meme. It's my favorite meme. What's your favorite meme, /vn/?
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>>122483468
>those harddrive names
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unf
those feets
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>>122484121
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Who will save visual novels?
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>>122484783
This guy >>122411280
Just look at how confident he his.
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>>122484783
What do you mean? Visual Novels were always trash and a guilty pleasure.
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>>122485027
They are dying. Can't you see?
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What a fatty lmao
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>>122485210
I really can't see it. Source?
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>>122485449
Moogy said so.
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>>122485449
That image from the rance 3 remake where TADA hints at financial uncertainty.
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>>122485593
>>122485680
There are always people spouting that the industry is dying.
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>>122485369
Title?
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>>122486584
Sakura no Kamige
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>>122485962
eroge is dying though, although there's a need to make clear that eroge: visual novels or games with erotic content for PC, visual novels and games without erotic content for consoles and mobiles will survive.
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>>122487506
I'm english only so I'm okay with it. They won't translate half of the things that are avaiable till I'm death.
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>>122485369
Jesus christ I read this part like 15m ago. Weird seeing that on here.

Best girl/route. Fandisk for literal best (Kanako) when?
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>>122487506
You're retarded if you believe that
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>>122487764
Yeah but consider >>122440641 + pic related
More games are released in a single DAY in Japanese, than have been fully translated into English in the past SIX MONTHS.
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>>122487809
Literal best girl is An-chan.
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>>122488060
Literal slut.
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>>122487914
implying you're not a dirty EOP that doesn't know the state of the eroge industry.
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>>122488102
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>>122488102
>>122488060
He is a bit of a slut all right.
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>>122487974
And 99% are complete trash anyway.

It's like crying about the millions of mobile games that get released every day and that you don't have a smartphone to play them.
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>>122488324
>And 99% are complete trash anyway.
If you think most untranslated games are trash, then you have to say most translated games (>>122440641) are trash too because not a lot of actually *~good~* stuff is getting brought over.
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>>122488324
>And 99% are complete trash anyway.
Why are you judging visual novels you can't read?
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>>122488212
>make retarded bullshit claims about the industry dying
>get called out
>B-but you probably don't know Japanese so you don't know the industry like I do!
Fuck off
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>>122488437
I'm saying that 99% of Visual Novels that get released every single day in japan are trash.
>>122488446
It's the absolute norm in any medium that most of it is trash.
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>>122488595
>It's the absolute norm in any medium that most of it is trash.
So you're 16?
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>>122469451
>Kuchiki's mother does. If she didn't she would have probably kicked her out.
And you find out that her mother genuinely cares about her.

Nope. You will see when you read KnS2 that Chizuru is a selfish cunt and she don't give a fuck about Toko as long as she can suck Fumiya dick.
I liked her in KnS but she turned out to be a horrible person.
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>>122488676
Don't get silly. It's basic economy. If an extreme amount gets produced every day the standards rises naturally and more things will be considered bad.
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>>122488595
I think it's pretty funny that these guys who have no idea what they're talking about make claims like this, that most untranslated games are garbage or not worth playing. It's probably to make them feel better about not knowing Japanese. Well, as someone who knows Japanese, it's time to settle this once and for all. The average untranslated VN is about the same quality as Koirizo. Not too good, not too bad. A large number of untranslated games are great, and a large number of untranslated games are bad. In the end, though, it evens out, and the average game certainly isn't "absolute trash", no way. The average game is simply mediocre and probably innovative. To come back to Koirizo, it's like that. Normal setting, normal characters, normal plot, normal romance. Mediocre, but alright. That's it. There are hundreds, thousands of games just like Koirizo that are just as good, which is to say, just as mediocre. They are the "average untranslated VN", and they are not absolute trash.
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>>122488836
considered bad =/= objectively bad
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>>122488836
I don't deny that the massive about of doujin/dlsite VNs are on average bad, but the commercial VNs made by actual VN companies are generally pretty alright. And nukige tend to be good enough to fap to, so yeah, they serve their purpose. I'm not implying every untranslated VN is like, Majikoi or something, but they tend to be alright.
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>>122488887
Even if you know japanese you still won't be able to play even a quarter of them even if you play all day every day so you don't have much of an opinion yourself no matter how much you pretend you do.
>>122488947
The more you play the more your standards will grow. The more gets produced the more the standards of the audience grows. If a something that is considered to be a kusoge was the only VN that exists it may be considered outstanding and great. But in reality it's among a million other games, some of which are really amazing and oustanding, even among a million other games.
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>>122489204
>If a something that is considered to be a kusoge was the only VN that exists it may be considered outstanding and great.
I'm starting to think you're baiting.

I'm gonna go read visual novels now.
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>>122489204
>The more you play the more your standards will grow.
The more you play the more context you have, but that doesn't mean your standards will necessarily grow, or whatever. I can enjoy a greasy hamburger even after eating a wide variety of high class foods. I read a lot of physical novels, but I can still enjoy an amateurish Fantasy novel on its own merits.
>Even if you know japanese you still won't be able to play even a quarter of them even if you play all day every day
What is sample size? And even if I can only play a quarter you're still saying I'd be playing tons of pretty okay games where as don't forget >>122440641 there's more VNs released in a day in Japan than in months in English. Even if there's more kusoge there'll be more good games as well, so in the end the point still holds true.
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>>122489340
Don't get how it's hard to accept that the absolute majority of VNs that get produced are trash. How can you even be so attached that get defensive about this fact?

It's a great thing that this is reality. It gives the really quality works the chance to be outstanding and be recognized by many people.
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>>122489204
Playing bad rpg maker games from DLsite is one of the pleasure of knowing japanese
Sometime you find good stuff too
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>>122489492
Your point is shit. I said I don't care because barely anything will get translated anyway before I die. You said I should care because every day in japan get so many VNs translated like in 6 months on steam.

Where is your point? Most of the nukige trash won't ever get translated.
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>>122489495
Because they're really not that bad. Again, excluding indie DLsite/doujin games (because those are mass produced on amateur assembly lines), commercial VNs tend to be pretty alright. You're talking about something you don't really understand. If someone actually likes VNs in general then the stuff that comes out every month in Japan is very worthwhile and on average pretty alright, not trash. And EVEN IF there are tons of trash games with only a few gems, as you seem to misguidedly believe, then the few gems would still outshine what arrives in English because *nothing is arriving in English* >>122440641.
>>122489635
This is also a good point, sometimes I play bad DLsite RPGs and actually have a good time, even though I wouldn't call them good games.
>>122489757
I didn't say you should care, I was just saying consider the point. Most of this argument is stemming from your subsequent moronic claims that most games are trash. Also, I wasn't listing steam games, that was EVERY VN that has been fully translated in the past 6 months.
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lel, more anatomy lesson for art classes.
those six pack only makes me want to hit the gym again.
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>>122489904
Even if commercial VNs have a higher standard, outstanding works are still rare.

Even if a ton of good VNs get produced, you will naturally seek the great ones and amazing ones.

If the industry dies today you will still have thousands of good VNs avaiable to play.

What really gets hurt is the output of really outstanding works that are only rare in between.

This is an industry. VN companies will produce mostly proved concepts which will make it eventually less exciting for any enthusiast.

Only because you like to eat shit and are unable to widen your horizont and raise your standard to filter the obnxoious amount of VNs that get produced it doesn't mean that the situation is not reality.
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>>122488795
No she still cares/cared for Toko. Just unlike Reiji she realizes that Toko couldn't survive and is dead. It isn't that she wants to forget Tomorrow, but she doesn't want this random detective reminding her that she lost her daughter with these (mostly) false leads.
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>>122490453
You're wanking a lot over a myth known as "outstanding works". As if some VNs are just higher class than others, arbitrarily. However, that's not the case. Whether a VN is great, amazing, etc is completely up to your perception. And, whether you want to play these heavy hitting "amazing" games, or just have a good time with a nukige/moege/standard game, is also completely arbitrary. You keep saying things like, "you're eating shit", or nonsense about standards. Well anon, that's just you being a gigantic loser. When all the translated VNs are laid about before you as a feast, and you can eat any dish you like, the hamburgers are as delicious as the steak, and the barbeque as good as the foie gras. To impose standards on a feast is quite foolish. A normal person, and a happy person, will just eat as they please and have a good time.
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I wonder if Chizuru will care that Toko had a daughter
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>>122490936
>When all the translated VNs
untranslated VNs* of course. There's no feast for translated VNs. Haha.
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>>122490634
The thing is that if she really cared about Toko she would have remained hopeful to the end like a true mother.
As you can see in KnS she can't handle Toko and their relationship is cold as hell. I would say she's even jealous of her because Fumiya cares about Toko so she see her as a hindrance between her brother and her.

Chizuru is one of the most psycho character of InnoGrey.
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>>122490876
>>122490059
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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>>122490876
>>122490059
No one cares loser.
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>>122491275
I care
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There was this VN that had swords and shit.
And I think it was a school setting.
And the uniform was white. At least for the female students.
There's an english demo out.
Anyone know the name?
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>>122491414
The only VN with swords you need is F/SN.
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>>122491061
When i think about it Yukari takes care of her niece at the daycare without realizing that it's her brother's daughter. She's even good at it and Fuyumi said it's unusual.
Innocent Grey are fucking devilish.
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>>122491465
No thanks. The art sucks.
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>>122491178
>Chizuru is one of the most psycho character of InnoGrey.
She is no where near most. She has problem but they are way more mundane.
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>>122491565
No, you suck.
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>>122490936
So what you're saying that there are no objective standards and each VN has its own value?

You're being very disrespectful to everyone putting effort and love into his work. We need to put a clear line between trash and quality to honor the talented and heavy working people and give them and everyone else motivation to better themselves and their works.
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>>122491634
>You're being very disrespectful to everyone putting effort and love into his work. We need to put a clear line between trash and quality to honor the talented and heavy working people and give them and everyone else motivation to better themselves and their works.
ti9?
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>>122490936
>You're wanking a lot over a myth known as "outstanding works"
What the fuck am I even reading? Is this guy for real?
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>>122491613
She's like Karen but her obsession about her brother isn't yet at the stage of wanting to kill all the women who approach him. Still they share the same archetype, the same sin.
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>>122491920
For everyone that praises a work someone else shits on it. Furthermore, for every work that gets shit on, someone else praises it. There is a belief among people that there are two kinds of books: normal books, and "outstanding" books, often considered "classics". However, there is just 1 kind of book: a book. Sometimes a book gets more acclaim than others, sometimes a book gets more shit than others, but all books are just books, and trying to base an argument on the belief that books with high amounts of acclaim are the only worthwhile ones is obviously ignorant.
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>>122492189
I see you are enlightened.
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>>122492482
Not by any phony outstanding work, mind you, but by my own intelligence.
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>>122492189
You wanna tell me there is no objective difference between Ikikoi and Sakura no Shit? The former is obviously an outstanding work, whereas the latter belongs in the trash bin.
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>>122492728
Do you know what the word objectively means?
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>>122492864
Yes.
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>>122492728
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>>122493379
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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Any good bullying VNs?
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>>122493561
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>>122492696
Excuse me then. I didn't know VN enthusiasts viewed VNs like that.

When the audience doesn't bother categorizing the works you're completely right, the sheer amount is the most important aspect.
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>>122493842
It's how I view all media in general.
>When the audience doesn't bother categorizing the works you're completely right, the sheer amount is the most important aspect.
That's a really fucked up interpretation of what I said.
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>>122492728
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>>122494483
why are you posting a VN nobody can read?
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>>122494636
Why are you posting a meme everyone forgot?
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>>122494787
It doesn't seem to be on my forgotten meme chart
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>>122494076
You're fucked up in general.

This is not even about japanese only Visual Novels at this point. Praise needs to go where praise belongs and shit needs to go down the toilet. There are objective standards. Outstanding works exist and the majority of works is shit. No special snowflake shit today, no not today.
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>>122495014
There's no special snowflake shit here, you /v/tard. And there are also not objective standards for appreciating media, of all things. How delusional can you be? You can praise things as you see fit, but people will also praise things you consider shit, and shit on things you praise. Welcome to real life, where you opinions aren't facts.
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>>122490059
>>122490876
Reminder that non-NEET Kastel, Moogy and Hadler read this in 3 days and yet here you are still reading nearly 3 weeks after release. How bad do you even have to be at Japanese to be this slow?
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>>122495318
It's taking me like months to finish pic related because I keep stopping to read other things or just do other things, maybe his slow pace is just evidence of how boring SakuUta is :o)
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>>122495173
There are. The japanese are doing it and we are doing it.

The opinion of an individual, especially of an anonymous individual doesn't matter. You either have a reputation to put on the line or you're one small gear of a gigantic clockwork.

I know you're very special to treat works like that but there is no logical sense behind your action. You're just autistic and retarded.
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>>122495430
>The opinion of an individual, especially of an anonymous individual doesn't matter.
My opinion matters to me, and I don't really care what other people think. If a lot of people praise something I'll probably be more interested in it than if a lot of people shit on it, but ultimately I know those are just subjective opinions and don't put too much weight into it.
>but there is no logical sense behind your action.
What action? Not objectively considering certain works superior and in their own class because other people praise them? Goly gee anon, how autistic of me.
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/vn/ how long does it take for magnesium, consumed as fizzy tablet, to get into the blood stream?
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>>122495318
I'm not NEET either, and I play other games besides eroge.
but to be honest to read a game as big as this in that time you need to be pretty autistic.
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>>122494935
>crescendo
>being a kek
baka desu
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>>122495628
>I don't really care what other people think
Followed immediately by this sentence:
>If a lot of people praise something I'll probably be more interested in it
You're spouting mindless shit for a while now. Your ideology is shit. You probably think humans are equal too. There are no standards to measure their value, right?
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i currently have koisuru natsu no last resort, muv-luv extra, and hoshizora no memoria and have gotten through like half an hour on each one. which one should i finish first?
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>>122495958
Well yeah mate, if a large group praises a VN I'll be interested in reading it to see if I like it to, but it's not like I'll form an opinion on it before I read it, because I don't actually care about their opinions, I just care about whether or I will also like it. Nice that you don't think about what I'm saying and just look for stuff to attack.
>You probably think humans are equal too. There are no standards to measure their value, right?
Holy shit, how /v/ can you be? Are you a teenager who just read Nietzsche or something? Are you REALLY going to try and speak about the human condition and the value of a human life in a 4chan argument about visual novels? Christ, man.
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>>122496149
Probably Extra because the other ones are upgrades and you dont want to go from good to shit.
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>>122496207
And you think you are not hitting bottom of the barrel by calling me /v/?

It's fair analogy too because you're completely irrational at this point.
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>>122496397
I'm not irrational. I have a firm, consistent ration basis for what I'm saying. Whether you agree with it is one thing, but it's certainly not irrational.

The analogy is just dumb. I'm only calling you /v/ because you pulled out the "special snowflake" line which I see all the damn time from teenagers and /v/ edgelords, my bad if you're a sophisticated adult who just so happens to share a mindset with teenagers.
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>>122496207
Not part of this argument but you don't necessarily need to read or experience something yourself to know it's good. There is some objectively good stuff in any medium, that even if you don't like personally you can still say is well made.

Like I hate Star Wars but I see why it's huge and would not consider it bad.
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>>122496624
The mindset of measuring works by standards is shared only by teenagers and not the whole world?
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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that Teisou Kannen ZERO is a kamige and that Mitsuko is best mom?
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>>122497143
>that Teisou Kannen ZERO is a kamige
Didn't you hear the news?

Outstanding works like "kamige" are a myth.
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>>122495656
Should be quite a bit faster than coated tablets, but for what fucking reason would you take them.
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>>122496653
There are standards by which to judge things, but they don't give the work any objectivity. It's still a mess of subjective perception and education. Furthermore, there's also the subjective decision of which standards to care about. Someone may praise a film because it has amazing cinematography, while someone else may shit on it for the writing. It's not objectively outstanding. Furthermore, even if a standard someone manages to "objectively" make something considered outstanding, it's still true that one can easily read it for themselves and not consider it outstanding at all. So the whole claim that some works are in an outstanding class of their own is meaningless to us as individuals from the very start.

What objective standards would we judge VNs by? Art? Some people call Dies Irae's art shit, clearly that's not objective. Writing? Some people call SakuUta's writing shit and others call it great, clearly that's not objective. What are these standards you would use to consider some VNs "outstanding"? Right now, whether a VN is "outstanding" or not is 100% determined by how much people like it. Muramasa is a good example of this. Some people fuckin' RAVE about it. Other people find the fights boring and don't like it. That's that. Media is just too subjective, even if some objective standards exist.
>>122496842
No, the special snowflake thing in particular. It's an edgy perspective born from anti-tumblerina sentiment, or some such. It's modern cynicism.
>What passes for hip cynical transcendence of sentiment is really some kind of fear of being really human, since to be really human [...] is probably to be unavoidably sentimental and naïve and goo-prone and generally pathetic.
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>>122497513
>but for what fucking reason would you take them.
For a magnesium deficiency, what else?
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>>122497547
>No, the special snowflake thing in particular. It's an edgy perspective born from anti-tumblerina sentiment, or some such. It's modern cynicism
It's funny because your whole sentence scream /v/ in itself.
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>>122497924
Take care not to fight with monsters lest you become one yourself, etc etc. If you read the next line it captures what I was trying to say in a less /v/-esque manner, though it also is just enough removed from the point it can be misinterpreted. Oh well, can't have them both.
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idk what to read next desu
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>>122498130
https://vndb.org/v13661
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>>122498024
So you basically agree that it's silly to take /v/ into the matter because certain words were used.

You got triggered by a word which lead to you disregarding my text and putting me together with /v/.

Kinda ironic because it goes against the whole shit you were talking about all this time.
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>>122498479
I didn't disregard your text, the whole first bit of this post >>122497547 is directed at both you and him considering you were both talking about standards. If anything you've taken this opportunity to avoid replying to me.
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>>122498618
Art, story, music, characters and writing are what's used the most.

Generic is what you can call most of the lower VN. It goes so far that they copy certain lines and certain situations almost exactly. Characters are often basic clones that don't go much beyond the type of personality trait they are representing.

This works can be freely disregarded. They didn't put any effort, creativity and innovation into their work, it's clear it was merely a job that was there to produce something to be sold, all with proven concepts that are known to sell well.

If you compare great works of different tones with each other the matter is different. You may dislike the direction of one of them but you can't put them exactly together with the real trash.

There is a special kind of appreciation for those things. If you fail to see those swtails that make a work whole, the details that scream "I loved working on this project", then why are you even bothering anymore?

You're just mindlessly consuming without honoring all the aspects. All those aspects that should be able to honor because you have the knowledge to see the details.
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>>122499808
Let's see some objective ways to measure those standards. I've seen people call Shirou generic when I consider him fairly nuanced. I've seen people insult art I like, and praise stories I didn't like. Where's the objectivity here?
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Anyone know what CG I'm missing? I followed a guide I got on TLWiki.

Also to the person that said if I got the good ending I might be able to save at least someone.
Fuck you. I didn't save anyone. Everyone I liked is dead and one is dead and missing.
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>>122499808
Hit send too soon.
>You're just mindlessly consuming without honoring all the aspects. All those aspects that should be able to honor because you have the knowledge to see the details.
What? I ~honor the aspects~ in that I appreciate art, story, music, and characters as I read VNs, I just don't think that a lot of people ~honoring the aspects~ of a certain novel makes it an outstanding work in an arbitrary class of its own. I can read an outstanding VN and give it a 10/10, and read a trash VN and give it a 1/10, but I still wouldn't claim the 10/10 is in some league of it's own the 1/10 can never touch, because I'm my perception of art, story, etc is heavily biased. People are biased. 1,000 biased people praising something does not give it any more objective value than 1 biased person praising it.
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>>122500295
Tojiko H scene
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>>122500295
One of tojiko H-scene CGs, no idea why wouldn't you have it.
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>>122500561
>>122500609
Thanks. Yeah, I forgot to replay the scene and fuck her in the sofa instead of the floor.
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>>122500009
You're pretending that everyone with an opinions has the same standard and the same refined taste to be allowed to make a statement. Especially on an anonymous board people are gonna write out their opinion with less thought than it's usual the case. You may hear opinions from people that maybe played 2 VNs and played the one they give an opinion about for maybe a few hours at best.

I know real discussion on /vn/ is pretty rare because everyone comes together only if something major gets translated, but your job is it to discuss those things to find out the truth. Shirou has a lot of generic traits, on the surface he is generic, he is kinda shallow, but you need to go deeper and tell those people that there is something more, that he grows as a character and his character may have generic traits but it goes beyond that. There will be obnoxious people you can't discuss things with. Just move on.
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>>122497547
You keep using the word "like" to reason why something isn't objectively good. Most (modern) people think the Mona Lisa looks weird / funny and don't actually "like" it. It's still a good painting.

A lot of the examples you listed is people memeing, too.

>>122500439
Bias only comes into play when you compare two objectively good works or two objectively bad ones. Whether MuvLuv or SubaHibi is the better one of the two is up in the air, however it's undeniable they're both objectively better than most generic shovelware coming out (regardless of the fact that you "liked" or enjoyed the 3 hour nukige more).
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>>122495790
>but to be honest to read a game as big as this in that time you need to be pretty autistic.
Or it can be a proof that they didn't read it at all.
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Okay, now that I'm done with KnS I need a lighthearted VN before tackling KnS2.
Anyone got some good recommendations?
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>>122501271
Yes, it's almost like there's a recommendation chart.
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>>122501363
Yeah, but what would you recommend?
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>>122501363
i think if he wanted to look at the chart he would lmao
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>>122501423
The chart.
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>>122501271
Just to be sure, did you read Cartagra ?
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>>122500961
>You're pretending that everyone with an opinions has the same standard
Me:
>Furthermore, there's also the subjective decision of which standards to care about. Someone may praise a film because it has amazing cinematography, while someone else may shit on it for the writing.
My whole point is that everyone has different standards, values, and subjective biases, making it impossible to objectively judge media in any meaningful manner. The exact opposite of what you claim my point is. Makes me wonder how much you're thinking about what I write.
>>122501181
I don't think that mode of thinking is meaningful. The Mona Lisa is a good painting in some standards, and a bad one in others. There is no objective way to view it, there may be a way to view it YOU consider to be important but not everyone agrees. If someone called the Mona Lisa a bad painting because it looks funny, I wouldn't tell them their opinion is wrong and the painting is objectively good. Maybe I would teach them about art, so they can view it differently, but all I would be do is changing their subjective view. The Mona Lisa is not objectively good. It just *IS*. It's paint on a canvas. Good, bad, those are human constructs, biased and subjective.
>Whether MuvLuv or SubaHibi is the better one of the two is up in the air, however it's undeniable they're both objectively better than most generic shovelware
What objective standards are you using here, might I ask?
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>>122501519
Yes.
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>>122501271
Cartagra if you haven't gotten to it yet.
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>>122501271
Symphonic rain
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>>122501614
Good. I'm proud of you anon.
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>>122501715
Worst girl
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>>122501601
People often don't respect the standards and don't use them in their argument. We have those filters so you need to put effort into your opinion and value those aspects.

You can view the Mona Lisa objectively. There is the whole technical aspect that is done superb and the attention to detail. If someone draws a stickman on some printing paper and puts it next to the Mona Lisa, will you still continue that there is no objectivity to see here?

That the stickman represents the same mastered skills that was used to create the Mona LIsa?
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>>122501937
i'll fight you m8
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Cartagra was fucking retarded.
Is KnS better?
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>>122502502
no
they're both awful meme games
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>>122501601
Sorry, anon, but you're getting so retarded that you're entering the realm of facts and still outmask the whole thing with opinions.

That the Mona Lisa is done technically well is a fact. It's not an opinion. If someone says he finds the technical aspect of the Mona Lisa shit he is objectively wrong.
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>>122502009
People always have standards by which they judge things.

For instance, the Mona Lisa. You mention the technical aspect and attention to detail. But if a someone doesn't give a flying fuck about the technical aspect, and is judging it entirely from a "how cool does it look", then they are likely to draw the subjective conclusion that it is not very good. You can make objective descriptions about a work, but that will not change how people subjectively view them, and these objective descriptions will not automatically make things an objective "outstanding" work. In a meaningful sense, anyway.

A stickman looking worse than the Mona Lisa does not make the Mona Lisa an "outstanding" work. One may read, for example, Subahibi and then a nukige, and say "Subahibi was clearly superior to this nukige in my subjective view", but that will not be followed up by "Subahibi is therefore logically an objectively outstanding work in a class of its own where as the nukige is objectively garbage".
>>122502568
See above.
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>>122502502
>>122502551
stay away from the meme games
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VNs are much more complex than the Mona Lisa, in the sense of how much more there is to view and the many ways in which you can view it. How many standards are there for judging the characters? A fucking lot. How much variance will there be among people judging the characters through that standard? A fucking lot. And so on and so on. People are a bundle of subjectivity who inconsistently use standards. There is no way that an objective, *universal* way to analyze media exist. There are no objectively outstanding works. There are only opinions, some more common and prevalent than the others.
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FUCKING /VN/ ALWAYS TRICKING ME INTO PLAYING MEME GAMES
I KNEW IT
FUCK
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>>122502638
That person is then judging subjectively, hence it doesn't matter.

When judging something objectively, you throw your own perspective away and try to think "What did the painter want to accomplish?" and "Did he succeed?", if you can answer the latter with yes then it's good.

Some people WANT to draw the exact Mona Lisa, however they fail. It's now an objectively, unarguable worse work. There will be a person who thinks it looks funnier than the original work and thus likes it better subjectively, but it's not the better work.
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>meme game
What does it mean?
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>>122503292
you dip
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>>122503183
Subjectivity is the only thing that matters when it comes to judging media. You can try all you like but it just comes back down to subjectivity.
>and try to think "What did the painter want to accomplish?" and "Did he succeed?"
Sounds like you're about to give a subjective idea about those two things.
>but it's not the better work.
According to your subjective opinion.
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>>122503292
>A lot of people say they like this game I don't like, so they must all be pretending
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>>122502638
You can show a retard the Wendelstein X-7 nuclear reactor that is the result of the finest engineering currently possible and he may say it looks dumb without any sense of appreciation. The other 100 people in the room will still find it to be amazing.

What you're basically saying is that it's very important to value the general consensus above the individual opinion which is right as long as the individual doesn't have a reputation that says otherwise.

Your argument so far values the opinion of the noname retard so much to disregard the general consensus, which doesn't make any sense.
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What's your favorite meme game, /vn/?
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>>122503463
The Witcher.
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>What does it mean?
What did he meme by this?
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>>122503376
Objectivity can be judged. Your argument is invalid.
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>>122501271
Just read KnS2 for extra dose of heartbrake.
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>>122503620
How? You can make judgments but you lack the means to verify them. As soon as your "objective" viewpoint clashes with mine, it becomes worthless, since neither of us have any means to determine which viewpoint is the correct one.
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>>122501186
nah they did read it, they've been hyping it since the demo, played it release day and spammed their twitter with pics from the game.
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stop replying to that "every book is the same" anon please, he's obviously retarded and you're shitting up the thread.
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>>122503463
undertale

it's a meme game and it's cool
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You live in a human construct, you live in a scoiety. You live by those rules as long as you follow this society.

4chan is a society in itself, it modified the known rules and set its own standards. The japanese society is close in those values, that's why views on certain matters might be very close.

Media is a human construct, you can't disregard opinions, objectivity and subjectivity that are a construct when you follow the construct.

Go live in a cave and found a tribe in which you make your own rules and construct people that live in your society need to follow. Of course only if you can disregard the deep-rooted constructs that are already partly in our DNA.

We don't lack the means to verify opinions since our society exists. A worthless opinion can never be prominent if the society denies this opinion, if it doesn't follow the standards set by the society.

You deny those human constructs selective but follow others. It doesn't work like that, you can't deny one construct and still follow the same society like everyone else. You can merely have a wrong opinion, but not deny the construct.
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>>122503432
>Your argument so far values the opinion of the noname retard so much to disregard the general consensus
You a sheep, son?
>What you're basically saying is that it's very important to value the general consensus above the individual opinion which is right as long as the individual doesn't have a reputation that says otherwise.
I think you're getting WAY off track. Reputation? What? I just don't think a lot of subjective opinions transmutates into an objective good work, because I think "objectively" viewing works in the first place is both meaningless and pointless. You bring up the nuclear reactor. Putting aside that judging a nuclear reactor is pretty different from a visual novel or movie... I mean, it really is, visual novels have art, writing, music, characters, etc which are all very very subjective, whereas engineering is one of the least subjective things out there... I would like to say that alone makes the analogy pointless but I'm sure you would say "ah so you admit defeat" or something, so here I go.

We can just use 100% objective lines of thinking, and then objectively compare them, using a shared objective standard. For a reactor to be outstanding, maybe efficiency is what would be used. "The W-7 Reactor has 10% more efficiency than the W-6, so it is objectively better".

By using purely objective lines of thinking, we can make objective statements on objective standards. But that doesn't happen with VNs, does it? People subjectively think, make subjective statements, and go off subjective standards. Like Shirou. You said he was generic on the surface and you need to go deeper. That doesn't sound objective. There are no numbers to compare. You made a subjective statement, because making objective statements about characters is nigh impossible to their complexity, and your own bias. If you try to objectively analyze characters, you end up meaningless shit like: "He has red hair. He says 'it can't be helped' 56 times."
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this is really autistic
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I DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT VNS
I'M TOO LAZY TO LOOK SHIT UP
GIVE ME RECOMMENDATIONS
NO MACHINE TRANSLATIONS OR MOONSPEAK
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You don't have to verify it. Hundred people look at a picture of a tree. They all know, well, the artist wanted to paint a tree. He didn't stumble on a banana and accidentally create a picture of a tree. Now those hundred people look at another painting of a tree and come to the same conclusion - this painter as well wanted to draw a tree, however it has more attention to detail and finesse thus it's objectively better of the two.
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>>122504514
>You can merely have a wrong opinion
lol
> A worthless opinion can never be prominent if the society denies this opinion
lol
Well, we view life fundamentally differently, so I guess there's no use arguing about it. After all, both our views are subjective.
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>>122504514
You would be very hard pressed to find many opinions that any society of non-trivial size would unanimously approve of, so even if I accepted this means of verification (which I do not) it would still be irrelevant for most cases.
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>>122504808
And one brave soul, note that the second painting had nice colours, or had a cute little squirrel that the first didn't, or preferred the thicker lines on the trees. He notes that he thinks the second painting is better. The 99 other people shout that the first is an objectively better work and that he's denying society's construct and he's retarded. The brave soul, who doesn't represent me, mentions that his subjective views and values and standards differ from theirs, but is just as valid. There can be no objectivity in something nuanced as this. The 99 weep and wail and talk about nuclear reactors. What a shame, brave soul.
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>>122504808
to
>>122503962

Also to add, at one point both trees reach the point where they have the "maximum" amount of details, both look like real trees. Now that they're at the very top subjective bias kicks in and here opinions can go apart however both are better than the previous less detailed paintings, see example of SubaHibi/Muvluv vs shovelware.
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>>122504991
The society creates the standards. You can never go against the society. If the society sets the standards as shit smelling horrible and parfume smelling good you can't go against this opinion, it would be insane.
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>>122505096
They believe that the artist wanted to paint a tree. Their belief has a very high probability of being correct. However, only the artist knows what he truly wanted to paint.
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>>122505201
How exactly does unanimity make something objective, might I ask?
>>122505226
Bwuh?
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>>122505030
>who doesn't represent me
Alright buddie, tell us, which objectively shit VN do you think is good?
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>>122505201
And where do you ascertain these standards? If I believe that my society's standards are different from your interpretation, then what then?
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>>122505030
If he judges the painting fairly trough the standards of society his opinion will sound well for other people and he may easily convince the group of 99 people.
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>>122505343
Then discussion is born and trough discussion we can determine what view is closer to the societies standards.
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>>122505275
I dunno, I didn't have anything in mind when I said that, I was just giving an example of how people can differ in opinions even if one thing has ~objectively better detail~ or whatever.
>>122505351
Why does he have to use society's standards? People are free to use their own.
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>>122505479
>How exactly does unanimity make something objective, might I ask?
You're getting so off track it's insane. I kind of followed you when you started talking about societal standards or whatever but this whole thing is centered in subjectivity
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>>122505479
So we discuss it, and in the end we still disagree. What then?
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>>122505793
you both continue autistically replying and shitting up the thread
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>>122505892
Is autistically even a word? My subjective conclusion is that it is not
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>>122505892
Don't worry, this is the end of it.
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>>122505407
There is one actually. Just search for NTR on vndb.
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>>122505892
Pretty sure we are three people at least but my head hurts from arguing, not used to this. I could go on but shitposting is less effort for more giggles.
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>>122505501
You live in a society, you follow the standards of scoeity. It sounds strict but it really isn't. It's just the construct we need to live with each other.
>>122505631
I needed to go widely off-track because you can't understand otherwise and maybe never will.
>>122505793
Two people may not come to a conclusion. If 99 people agree and one disagrees the standard is set. More and more works get released, the standard changes. Soon society gives birth to sub societies. Now the mainstream and the other factions are born. Now the stronger argument may count less because of stupidity of the society but therefore the smaller redpilled society has stronger standards and can easily destroy the shallow opinion of the mainstream.

We created this construct. We determined what is quality and what is not. We value experience, experience determines quality. We compare, we set our standards higher the more experience we gain.

AND HERE COMES THE FUCKING POINT:
You may enjoy shit but what is of value is that you know that it's shit and that you can classify it as shit. Everything else doesn't matter. It's your guilty pleasure, you like it. But you know it's against set standards.
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>mfw I posted >>122484783, >>122485210 and >>122485593 because I wanted to get more (You)'s for my collection
>it turned out as an epic pissing contest
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>>122506380
>You live in a society, you follow the standards of scoeity. It sounds strict but it really isn't. It's just the construct we need to live with each other.
I, uh, disagree?

So your whole point is that if you disagree with other people... you're just wrong? If your standards differ from others... you're just wrong? I uh... I don't think so.
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>>122495318
Unironically going to be reading sakuuta well into December at this rate, neetscum will never know the pleasure of getting up to work at 6AM
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>>122506517
>uhh.. oh.. eh..
That is all you have to say?

You can disagree but that's all your point is worth. If you can't change the opinion of everyone else.

You can't say your nukige is good because you disagree. You need to follow the standards set to explain it trough it to make your opinion worthwhile.
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>>122506434
The only time people put this much effort into their posts is when they try to outsmart their conversation partners, driven by pride and the urge to showcase their supposedly superior intellect. You don't see niggas talking this deep about VNs.
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>>122506726
I'm saying "uh" to imply that what you're saying is shockingly dumb, not that I'm actually being hesitant or something.
I don't really want to change other people's opinions, which may be a surprise considering how long I've been arguing. I don't think there are objectively good works. I don't think a lot of subjective people agree on subjective things makes something subjective. If those opinions of mine aren't worth anything to the mainstream, or whatever, I mean, so be it. I didn't really expect to be... objectively correct, or accepted by everyone. I am me, my opinions are mine own, I believe them, I disagree with you. My opinion is worthwhile to me. If you and the mainstream don't think it's worthwhile, I don't really see how that's supposed to matter, because I don't hold my opinions to convince or change you, I hold them because I believe them. If I think my nukige is 10/10 kamige that's great I'll say so even if the mainstream calls it shit. With that settled, have a good day, sheep.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZz0eEjOilo
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>>122507054
>I don't think a lot of subjective people agreeing on subjective things makes something subjective
I don't think a lot of subjective people agreeing on subjective things makes something objective*
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>>122506935
Yeah, that's why /vn/ is a meme general. The only serious discussions are off-topic or meta ones and the rest of posts are shitposting.
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>>122507353
When subahibi comes out /vn/ will be filled with glorious on-topic discussion
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>>122507054
>I don't think there are objectively good works
This fucking sheer amount of disrespect to talented people who provide you with quality VNs. Is nothing holy nowadays?

Let me ask you something. Why tell anyone your subjective opinion, why read or listen to the subjective opinion of anyone, without standards that is?

What are you gonna to do with an opinion that you can't filter trough standards. Are you gonna stand there and just listen to it? Discussion is impossible without standards. You both gonna exchange your opinions, and what now?

It's even worse on an anonymous board. You have no context from anyone here except for their opinion.
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>>122507075
>tfw you have to play through two long, 2.5k+ unique kanji games to ever hear that track in game
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>>122507398
subahibi when though

I mean really. What's taking so long?
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>>122507414
>This fucking sheer amount of disrespect to talented people who provide you with quality VNs. Is nothing holy nowadays?
Have I been arguing with ti9 this whole time?
>Why tell anyone your subjective opinion, why read or listen to the subjective opinion of anyone, without standards that is?
I dunno, why not? I like seeing what other people think, and sometimes I like writing about what I think. It's interesting to see people shit on a VN I like and see how their perception differed from mine so much.
>What are you gonna to do with an opinion that you can't filter trough standards.
I'm gonna hold it and keep living my life.
>Discussion is impossible without standards.
And yet... here we are.
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>>122507054
Man, you're stupid.
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>>122507647
>Have I been arguing with ti9 this whole time?
Why are you namedropping ti9. Is it so strange for you that someone respects quality works?
>And yet... here we are.
And we will never come to a conclusion because you're irrational and you don't follow logic.
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>>122507838
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but subjective opinions that deviate from societal standards will never hurt me.
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Let society speak and end this argument

http://strawpoll.me/6025681
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>>122508095
Let me interject for a moment. You ask, can VNs be judged trough objective standards, however that was never the question, it is of course possible to judge through objective standards, the problem arises when different people all have subjective standards, values, perceptions, etc that pollute objective standards, and furthmore whether the objective standards ultimately are meaningful. How would you objectively interpret, say, a poem? A character? Would you be able to do so meaningfully? The discussion here is FAR more complex than can be answered in a single strawpoll that, sorry, doesn't even get the problem at hand correctly. Even I think there are objective standards to view VNs through. I just don't think they matter, and I think most people have different standards in the first place.
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First time on /vn/, is it usual like this? Was keking the whole time although I just wanted to find some nukige to fap to.
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>>122508474
Every /vn/ regular knows that reading /vn/ is better than reading VNs.
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>>122508474
Nah.

Nukige have their own general, m8.
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>>122508474
Normally there's more /jp/ shitposting but otherwise it's business as usual. Welcome aboard.
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>>122508460
Everyone not retarded knows what the question is about. Stop backpedaling now.
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>>122508701
I am being consistent with every post I have made. Here is some further reading that directly addresses this:
>>122504667
>By using purely objective lines of thinking, we can make objective statements on objective standards. But that doesn't happen with VNs, does it? People subjectively think, make subjective statements, and go off subjective standards. Like Shirou. You said he was generic on the surface and you need to go deeper. That doesn't sound objective. There are no numbers to compare. You made a subjective statement, because making objective statements about characters is nigh impossible to their complexity, and your own bias. If you try to objectively analyze characters, you end up meaningless shit like: "He has red hair. He says 'it can't be helped' 56 times."
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>>122508460
>Even I think there are objective standards to view VNs through
Holy shit, all this time you said that objectivity doesn't exist and therefore oustanding or great works don't exist. Fuck you.
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>>122508474
New thread? I want to post dovac again.
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>>122508820
I said objectivity isn't meaningful. That there are no "objectively" great works because that's a meaningless line of thinking.
I will also link you to >>122504667
C'mon guise, I'm not a philosopher, I'm saying really simple things, don't misunderstand ME of all people.
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>>122508095
If this was possible, all you would have to do is be able to find a bijective mapping from the set of VNs to the set of Natural numbers, as being able to say one VN is better than another is the same as saying one number is bigger than the other. A mapping would preserve the property of order.
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>>122508460
We went over this. Subjective opinions only become relevant when you compare two good things or two bad things. Saying that a stick figure is better than world renowned paintings is not an opinion, it's being wrong. Saying you like it better because you have a fetish for stick figures, is.
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>>122508979
And I replied to that.
>>122501601
>>122502638
>A stickman looking worse than the Mona Lisa does not make the Mona Lisa an "outstanding" work. One may read, for example, Subahibi and then a nukige, and say "Subahibi was clearly superior to this nukige in my subjective view", but that will not be followed up by "Subahibi is therefore logically an objectively outstanding work in a class of its own where as the nukige is objectively garbage".
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>>122508979
You're gay. How's that for subjective?
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>>122508772
That's why it says objective standards. People are gonna judge VNs trough the story, art, characters and shit and overall quality.
>>122508971
Yes, average VNs exist, mate.
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>>122485369
Is that Amane from IMHHW?
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>>122509121
They're not going to objectively judge those, though. I'd like to see someone write an objective review of a video game in a really glib way to show how ridiculous it is.
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>>122509094
If objectivity doesn't matter a nukige is as good as a kamige depending on the person. That's why people agree that you can judge them objectively.

Many people set the standard what is good and what is bad.
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>>122506676
>pleasure

having dosh is nice, but fuck off with waking up that early. Its fucking awful in every way.
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>>122509097
>How's that for subjective?

To make an accurate assessment, I'll have to know when exactly you perceived me as gay. I sexually identify as a yestergay so I was gay yesterday. We'll also have to take timezones into consieration since your yesterday may differ from my yesterday.
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>>122509301
I disagree. If someone says a nukige is as good as Subahibi I would be interested in why they think so, I wouldn't tell them they're wrong and that's impossible and Subahibi. People do not agree that you can judge them objectively, because people do not judge things objectively in the first place.
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>>122509219
The majority will. Something oustanding and well made will make a lot of people happy. Something shit won't interest anyone except for the single fap it gives.
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>>122509359
Don't pretend to be me.

>>122509097
To make an accurate assessment, I'll have to know when exactly you perceived me as gay. I sexually identify as a yestergay so I was gay yesterday. We'll also have to take timezones into consieration since your yesterday may differ from my yesterday.
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Guys, please help, it just crashes before what I think is the intro.
It automatically turn on my DirectVobSub before crashing so I guess it's again one of these codec issues but I have no ideas what to do still
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>>122509440
Please describe the methods by which the majority will objectively judge a visual novel.
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>>122509432
People think about some values if they think about something objectively. They may love something subjectively and can still admit to it being shit. What would you call this phenomen? When you can admit something although you're opinion is the opposite?
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>I think kamiges are objectively better than nukiges
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Let's settle this for once and all.

http://strawpoll.me/6025831
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>>122509643
Please describe the methods by which one would objectively judge the visual novel they love to be shit.
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>>122509694
Imopara.
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>>122509694
Best nukige is 魔将の贄3.
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>>122509694
Nekopara
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>>122509575
>playing demos
>playing demos of confirmed bad games
>playing demos of confirmed bad games that look like poorly animated anime
>playing demos of confirmed bad games that look like poorly animated anime written by shimokura

愛得る魔王
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>>122509739
They determine the quality trough their own set of experience. Music, art, story and how everything interacts with another and sets up the whole package.
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>>122509840
>>playing demos of confirmed bad games
Explain, even though It absolutely won't do a thing to my enjoyment
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>>122509892
Sounds subjective.
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>>122480510
Does the Steam version have voice acting or an option for improved backgrounds?
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>>122509739
Would you like an effectively procedure or just a general method? How exactly would you define method, how is shit defined in your sentence? These questions must be answered before any algorithm can be constructed.
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>>122509575
I thought nitro+ was dead. Neato.
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>>122509970
I dunno, tell me your opinions on how one should objectively judge a VN. I'll let you define all the words so I can see what you mean. It revealed >>122509892 as subjective so that was an efficient way to finish the argument early in that part.
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>>122509945
They filter their opinion trough the standards set by society. If a society thinks that shit tastes good there are obviously other rules.
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This discussion reminds me of "fuck off nasutard" vs "kill yourself" shitposting.
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>>122510093
That also sounds subjective. How exactly does unanimity make something objective, might I ask?
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>>122510060
Tell my why a kamige is not objectively better than a nukige.
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>>122509354
Waking up early has all the benefits of staying up late, except you're not a degenerate.
Nothing beats a warm coffee and the cool refreshing sky before the sun comes up and the normies start pouring out.
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>>122509946
Not from the start, but the mod add them.
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I can't stop listening to subahibi EDs someone please help me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjQx4sI8bdY
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>>122510192
Sorry, but now I'm certain that you don't know what subjective and objective means.

Objectivity is not a certain truth, it's setting aside your personal emotions and preferences to judge something fairly by higher standards.
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>>122507075
this one is pretty gud, sounds like SMT tracks but more melodic
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>>122510223
I don't think objectivity is used, or is meaningful, when judging visual novels. Therefore, kamige are not objectively better than nukige from the start, simply because there is no objective means or standard by which to compare them that is both meaningful and is actually used.
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>Teisou Kannen only 900mb big

Dissapointing, I wanted a high quality nukige with animations.
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fucking stop please, replying to obvious bait made the thread 100 time shitier than usual and makes you look retarded.
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>>122510238
>I think alarm clocks are degenerate, so I haven't used one since I was a kid.

What?
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>>122510060
I do not believe letting me decide the definition of shit would be of any use to this discussion, as I can choose the definition that suits my argument best namely that there exists an effective procedure to determine whether or not a given VN is shit. Definitions like this should be discussed and debated until we have reached an agreement on the defintion.

For example, if you were to let me have complete control over the definition, I could easily just define shit as all VNs with an H scene. This would be an effective procedure as one can simply program a computer to go through the contents of any given VN, check for an H scene then output a 0 for "not shit" and 1 for "shit".
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>>122510354
Missing scaji's earlier heavily shaded art, even if half of his characters looked the same.
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>>122510416
Only Tinkerbell and Empress can into high product values nowadays. Even Bishop is pretty lame.
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>wake up
>visit thread
>still endless EOP wars
It wasn't like this last week.
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>>122510363
Try judging a visual novel without letting your personal emotions and preferences influence you. Objective judgement in VNs are not meaningful. For example - is Rider a good character? Is the art in Dies Irae good? Is the music in Princess Evangile good? Try answering that without drowning in your own subjectivity.
>>122510507
>For example, if you were to let me have complete control over the definition, I could easily just define shit as all VNs with an H scene.
Indeed, people all have their own definitions, biases, interpretations, etc.
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lol why don't you guys just like WEED BRO
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>>122509817
not really a nukige
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>>122510713
Is it better than a kamige tho?
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>>122510630
>Is the art in Dies Irae good?
The b8 has gone too far.
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Muv Luv Extra Review

Muv Luv Extra is a visual novel released in 2003 in Japan. Is has audio, visuals, writing, and characters. I will now judge those elements.

Audio

The audio exists, and I can hear it. The sounds it plays follows patterns that form music as per the standard society has given us. I give this section a 10/10 because the audio is audible and exists.

Visuals

The visuals exist, and I can see them. The resolution of the game is 800x600. The sprites show characters. The expressions change as per the writing. Sometimes, CGs appear to show more complex events. I give this section a 10/10 because the visuals are visible.

Writing

The characters and events are represented by the visuals and are described by text. The text exists, and I can read it. The text narrates and expands up the story. I give this section a 10/10 because the writing is readable.

Overall Muv Luv Extra is an objectively 10/10 game.
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>>122510238
yeah fuck that.
I prefer waking up at a reasonable 10-11 am, then going to bed at 2-3 am.
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>>122510713
Kusoge can be nukige.
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>>122510630
No one expects you to be entirely objective as that is impossible, but that is not what is asked of you.

If someone asks you to give an objective statement they ask you to put your emotions, preferences and desires away to give an answer that is more general.

Ask anyone, their subjective and objective opinions will differ sometimes greatly.
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What is nukige of kamige?
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>>122510630
>Try judging a visual novel without letting your personal emotions and preferences influence you.
Effort is OBJECTIVE. Research on facts stated in the VN are also OBJECTIVE. There's hundreds of other things.

>is Rider a good character
You CAN objectively answer this question and you CAN say that the character is objectively good, while not liking her. I'm not good at character impressions so I'll skip this.

>Is the art in Dies Irae good?
Absolutely. You might not like it PERSONALLY, but on an objective scale it's good art when you compare it to other VNs. It doesn't look sloppy, it's detailed and so on.
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Remember when Ikikoi was the only meme VN?
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>>122510820
slut
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>>122510914
>someone asks you to give an objective statement they ask you to put your emotions, preferences and desires away to give an answer that is more general.
That sounds like your subjective opinion on the subject.
>>122510979
>You CAN objectively answer this question and you CAN say that the character is objectively good
I'd like to see someone try.
>but on an objective scale it's good art
Oh yeah? I think it looks sloppy, and I don't think it's detailed.
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>>122510778
>>122510905

Not a kamige or a kusoge either.


Just a supercute title that has 3 lenghty H scenes.
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>>122511035
Holy shit Ikikoi shocked me. I’m 15 minutes in and was not prepared at ALL. I figured with the “ikikoi is kamige” and “ikikoi is kusoge” memes that it would obviously be somewhere in between but I did not expect to get so immediately drawn in.

Majikoi was comfy. It set an atmosphere and had attention to detail that made me attached to the characters and setting.
Princess Evangile was engaging. Despite the numerous shenanigans it had a way of telling the story that made it a good, not great, read.
My first impression of Ikikoi is that it’s just fucking FUN. Makes no sense and will probably jump around too much to make sense plotwise, but I can’t get rid of this wide grin on my face, nor do I want to.

Please tell me that that is the kind of ride I’m in for, because I don’t want it to stop. The setting is not as good as Majikoi and the storytelling is not as good as PE, but regardless of that I am thoroughly enjoying myself because of how well it pulls off making utter nonsense seem like a good time.
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>>122511024
Why are you posting a meme only you can read?
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>ctrl f subjective
>56 results
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God dammit fuck you Nitro+
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>>122511045
Just stop you don't know what objectivity and subjectivity means, it's painfully obvious. You're talking about humanly impossible definitions that aren't meant at all.
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>>122511045
>Oh yeah? I think it looks sloppy, and I don't think it's detailed.
Explain why and show us an example VN where it's done better. It's not going to happen, because what you just now said is a lie and you literally aren't capable of disputing the objective truth.
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>>122511169
>ctrl f meme
>25 results

Meme general
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>>122510630
>Is the art in Dies Irae good?

Is it now widely accepted that this is somehow up to debate because some retard shitposted about how the art looked shit?
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>>122511225
No it is completely human. 2 is objectively greater than 1. It is completely possible for a human to believe this.
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>>122511050
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>>122511045
You're literally insane.
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>>122511339
Is this general where we discuss memege?
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>>122511169
>ctrl f objective
>107 results plus this one
it's like I'm in /p/
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>>122511467
yo make some with Chocola.
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>>122511445
I like 1 better, thus you're wrong. Your society construct doesn't bind me. 1 is greater!
-you in the entire argument
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>>122511513
Why don't you do it, it's not that hard.
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>>122511445
You really don't know any of the words you use.
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>>122510979
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These guys are literally worse than George Henry Shaft.
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>>122511537
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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>>122511238
It's my subjective opinion, I can't gotta explain shit.
>>122511360
No, I just used it as an example to have backup. If someone said "no-one believes it shit", well, guess what, someone does.
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I'm arguing for 5 hours now with a guy who started this discussion with
>You're wanking a lot over a myth known as "outstanding works"
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>>122511695
VALIDATED
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>>122511689
How about you suck my George Henry Shaft, turbonerd?
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>>122511819
Detail is not subjective.
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>>122511841
grats anon, my /vn/ record was only 1 or 2 hours.
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>>122511872
Why are you posting a meme?
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>>122511925
That depends entirely on how you define detail, you ignorant little pig.
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>>122511872
I would Shaft your Henry George, if you know what I mean.
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>>122512001
I'm not even a regular. I just wanted to shortly look up if that VN with the abused girl is already translated.
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>>122511925
It's subjective whether the amount of detail is enough to be called detailed.
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Is SS a VN?
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>>122510834
Well, the guy criticizing the shading in Dies Irae has a point. It really is simple two-tone shading that's used in anime where they need to draw hundreds if not thousands of character art per episode.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of VN art has far more effort put into the shading than anime art.
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"wanna do it at home?"
"eh? do-do what?"
"uh? ah, the painting, for the Moore exibition"
"ah? ah! right! ahaha, yes, let's do that"

Why is Rin so lewd?
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>>122512118
>I'm not even a regular.
me neither, isn't this place great?
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>>122512280
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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>>122512119
How do you even measure the amount of detail? If one image shows more detail of some aspects than another, but omits entirely other details that the other image had, how do we really say which is more or less detailed than another?

I would argue that if you can find a single detail in the "less detailed" image that was not represented in the "more detailed" image, then they are in fact impossible to be compared and functionally equal in this respect.
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>>122512205
I prefer simple two-tone shading, so I like it a lot.
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>>122512205
>Tuvan throat singing sounds better than electronic music because it requires more effort and training
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>>122512280
Nice nukige writing right there.
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>>122512280
Rin is a
sluuuuuuuuuuuuuut
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>>122512325

Can't you see that they were so kind as to provide us a translation? Now everyone can read it!
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>>122512417
Anyone who believes that a musician can be "trained" clearly knows nothing about good music.

The same goes for any art form. A true master would shine even without any education on the subject whatsoever.
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>>122512405
Or, is more detail objectively better than less detail? It depends - beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Also ti9, you hijacking the argument will probably make other people feel like it's less legitimate, but nevertheless I appreciate your input.
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>>122512582
What if I don't speak English or Japanese, you myopic trilobite?
>>122512642
Way to miss the entire point. You are incapable of determining which image has more detail to begin with, because you have no subjective point of view from which to decide which details are relevant in the first place.
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fuck off ti9, we don't want you here
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>>122512325
Can you fuck off? Do you think you're funny?
>>122512016
>>122511695
>>122511163
>>122394203
>>122423695
>>122432547
>>122458003
>>122488446
>>122491213
>>122493458
>>122494636
>>122494787
12 times. Don't you get tired of this forced meme?
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>>122512758
I said "or", which rather than missing your point, was to add another perspective. Way to miss the entire point.
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>>122512590
>>122512405
Every single one of your sophism posts is structured in the exact same way. Please visit a creative writing course, it's getting old thb
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>>122512590
Yeah Mozart was good because of inherited talent and not because he practiced brutally from the age of 4.
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>>122512783
Then that means you also posted 12 times in the wrong thread. Trial and error until you find the correct one!
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>>122512783
It's not really a meme if you genuinely feel that way. I support him btw.
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>>122512779
That is your own subjective opinion, many others would argue that they do in fact want me here.
>>122512816
So you cannot distinguish two different messages as long as they are structured somewhat similarly? How sad for you. I think you should have your parents take you to see a retard doctor, because you seem like you might be retarded.
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>>122512758
That's some serious case of sameface. Only the eyecolor is different.
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>>122512831
Mozart is not everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss#Early_years
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>>122512958
my little gauss can't be this smart desu
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>>122512958
>Gauss was a child prodigy. When he was eight, he figured out how to add up all the numbers from 1 to 100.
wew lad that's impressive stuff
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>>122512949
The similarity only serves to further accentuate what makes each character unique and special. Clearly you are still lacking as an eroge connoisseur.
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>>122512590
>A true master would shine even without any education on the subject whatsoever.
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>>122512958
The fact said it's impossible to train a musican though. One example is enough to fuck him up.
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>>122512934
>So you cannot distinguish two different messages as long as they are structured somewhat similarly?

I didn't say that at all. Nowhere did I talk about distinguishing anything, you're just boring and washed up. Maybe try working on your reading comprehension while you're at it.
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>>122512448
what about this?
main character has a noticeable boner, and says he need to use to pee.

Rin: "I don't think you can pee in that state, with it, ummm, pointing up"
Naoya:"well that maybe true, but I'm gonna manage somehow"
Rin:"what are you going to do? with it like that, the pee is going to shoot upwards"
Naoya:"ah, uh, I'm gonna do a headstand"

I'll admit I laughed
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>>122513171
Why are you posting a VN only you can read?
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>>122513106
The training did not make him a good musician, it was irrelevant. In fact he would have been a better musician without the training, because his work would not have been so tied down to pre-established forms.
>>122513136
You seem confused, my friend. Are you okay?
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>>122513082
It actually is. We weren't taught the method until college calculus, because that's the only time it was relevant.
For reference, he didn't do 1+2+3+4 etc. He did 50*101.
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.02.06/jo1.html
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>>122512958
Neither is Gauss
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>>122513093
It's not unusual. There have been true geniuses who have made incredible contributions to a field without any formal education on it. I forget his name but there was some indian mathematician who came up with all kinds of shit without ever having any formal education.
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>>122513260
We were taught about it in third grade.

American education, gentlemen. Or wherever that place is.
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>>122513359
Yeah good job on your shithole country for teaching you some random trivia long before you were even ready to properly appreciate its significance.
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>>122513251
>In fact he would have been a better musician without the training, because his work would not have been so tied down to pre-established forms.

Do you have any sort of actual research to back this up?
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>>122513251
>The training did not make him a good musician
Where is your prove though? There isn't because talent can never be determined before someone uses it.
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>>122513359
Allow me to rephrase. Series didn't become actually relevant until calculus, I'm sure our third grade teacher showed it to us once as a cool thing but it wasn't ever relevant, until college calculus.
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>>122513458
And people complained about that other actual discussion going on for hours and now here is a real shitposter.
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>>122513469
Of course not. Actual research is counter-productive. Haven't you been paying attention at all?
>>122513486
You are implying that it is impossible to use talent without a bunch of useless rote repetition of irrelevant shit some people did in the past? To that I say you are a faggot!
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>>122513509
all right then
>>122513469
You know that you're discussing with Ti9, right? At least one of them.
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>it's an ti9 sparks discussion by playing devil's advocate/being a retard episode

zzz
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What the fuck are you faggots even talking about in a general on chinese porn novels?
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>>122513608
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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>>122513724
ti9 took the corpse of a long-winded discussion and attracted viewers by raping it
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>>122513779
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>tfw one of the guys was Ti9 all along
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>>122513779
Can you fuck that girl?
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>>122513940
I doubt it. It was actually funny shitposting and not that generic ti9 shit.
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>>122513973
Of course, her route was pretty cute.
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>>122513803
He's wanking a lot over a myth known as "long-winded discussion"
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>>122513973
Yeah, though I was kinda disappointed with how short and rushed her route seemed. Didn't even really get to see them together as a couple at all, just confess -> fuck -> credits -> very short epilogue
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>>122513940
I'm actually sure now it was the guy saying nothing can be judged objectively and that nukige = kamige in quality, if someone thinks so.

I like this outcome better, I rather know that it was bait and not someone who actually believes all that shit.
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>>122514126
Well it is a nukige. Were you expecting a kamige?
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>>122513940
It really wasn't, I wasn't him and the other guy was some wacky society-rules-all guy. No room for ti9.
>>122514091
I'm genuinely glad you remembered my opening post, senpai
>>122514198
Sorry to disappoint.
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>>122514126
>>122514258
>more than 90 seconds apart
Sure Ti9.
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Who won though?
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>>122514218
Where is the difference?
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>>122514341
Obviously I won. This was all my master plan, and you all fell for it perfectly!
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>>122514326
Whatever you want to believe.
>>122514341
No one "wins" in a discussion since they are an exchange of ideas.
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>>122514341
No one won. Everyone in this thread is a loser.
>>
>>122514341
http://strawpoll.me/6025681/r

It's clear. 3 of those No votes are also people memeing, so it's even more lop sided.
>>
>>122514450
>>122508460
Sorry to disappoint anon. Also, the claim that 3 people were meming is just your subjective opinion :o)
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>>122493379
"my 3 sizes? if you want to know them you can by touching me directly. come! touch Sui to your heart's content!"
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>>122514398
Did they hire a deviantart artist for that fire?
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>>122514398
>>122514424
>>122514436
>>122514450
thank you for sweet (You)'s
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>>122514542
Where is the difference between subjectivity and objectivity? I don't believe in standards set by the society.
>>
These threads use to be good. The posters in this general use to believe in things, honor, respect. What do you believe in?
>>
>>122514729
That's up for you to decide. It seems that other anon believes objectivity is created when a society forms a standard that everyone must adhere to. So, I can only conclude that you can define words however you like.
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>>122514785
Lolis.
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>>122514785
All VNs are the same. You can't determine something as objectively better and "outstanding" or "amazing" VNs are a myth.
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>>122514785
I believe in the release of Koichoco
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>>122515114
>>
Is it strange that sometimes I get the urge to rip out all my teeth?
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>>122514857
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>>122515397
No.
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>>122515397
I doubt it. There is some name for that urge to do bad things to yourself like the urge to jump from a high place or the urge to rape your mother.
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>Every time you start KnS2 after getting the true ending.

feels bad man.
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>>122515397
I sometimes get the urge to rip off my own skin.
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>>122515495
はいもちろん
ロリは正義!
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>>122515495
The head so fucking large, it's fucking wider than her body.
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>>122515828
What ending is the true one is entirely a subjective matter
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>>122515983
Not by socities standards, mate.
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>>122515918

Whoops gomen
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>>122515918
why the fuck does the food in CGs have so much more detail and higher fidelity then everything else?
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What is your favorite color?
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New bread

>>122516379
>>122516379
>>122516379
>>
Anyone else lately looking at dem cute retarded girls and feeling no soul lately? Is there a VN with a truly intelligent and laid back girl who doesn't show-off and no pseudo science shit?
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>>122516474
no
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>>122516861
y
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