/cgg/ - Cuhrayzee Games General

How mandatory is weapon swapping on DMC4 Dante? I don't really enjoy Pandora or Lucifer.

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Alright /cgg/, whilie you wake up from your slumber, I remade the OP a bit.

See my next post.
I hope I got my tripcode right.

>>122222776
It's absolutely mandatory if you want to survive anything above Devil Hunter

>>122224448
VST7 IS NOW. RULES AND INFO BELOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqpMeaoxOmk

CUHRAYZEE THREAD FAQ (please read this and CUHRAYZEE NEWS before asking questions):
http://pastebin.com/XFGyzhzB

CUHRAYZEE RECOMMENDED GAMES (INCLUDES INDIES):
http://i.imgur.com/lEnXRlO.jpg

CUHRAYZEE MODS AND HELP:
http://pastebin.com/n6imJNyz

>CUHRAYZEE CONSOLIDATED LINKS

DMC3/4 AND SENGOKU BASARA: http://pastebin.com/R2JrSqvt (embed)

CLOVER/PLATINUM: http://pastebin.com/d5RYkkR8

NINJA GAIDEN: http://pastebin.com/K24BuEFq

TRANSFORMERS DEVASTATION:
http://pastebin.com/mymdBb1c

WE SHALL WAKE:
http://pastebin.com/JjSNDE40

STEAM GROUP: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/CUHRAYZEE
WIKI: http://cuhrayzee.wikia.com/wiki/CUHRAYZEE_GAMES_GENERAL_Wiki
FORUM: http://cuhrayzeegames.boards.net

DMC, Bayonetta, We Shall Wake, Viewtiful Joe, God Hand, Ninja Gaiden, Wonderful 101, Vanquish, Sengoku Basara, Rising Revengeance, Fairy Bloom Freesia, Rainblood, Mitsurugi Kamui Hikae.

>>122224801
How so?

I do just fine with Vergil without swapping. Then again he's probably a good deal stronger I figure.

>>122224865
i did it because for some reason the old OP had too much words for /vg/, and after I made this thread I was sent to the archive, so I decided to cut it down a little bit and put some of the info into new pastebins, and those are:

>CUHRAYZEE MODS AND HELP:
http://pastebin.com/n6imJNyz
In here I put the info regarding the style switcher mod, and the mods of DMC4.
So so far it only has info regarding DMC3 and DMC4.

And...
>WE SHALL WAKE:
http://pastebin.com/JjSNDE40
Which simply has the info of We Shall Wake.


The info inside them is completely unchanged, but I'm open to suggestions to improve the OP, and to see if you guys like it.

>>122225280
need onechanbara z2 chaos in the cuhrayzee games img link
half joking half serious

>>122225280
>http://pastebin.com/n6imJNyz
>In here I put the info regarding the style switcher mod, and the mods of DMC4.
that is a godsend, just what I was looking for

well, it would be if it actually had some more infos on modding DMC4:SE

>>122225762
>well, it would be if it actually had some more infos on modding DMC4:SE
That's what InfernalWorks is for.

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>>122225280
I'm also thinking that all the links of "CUHRAYZEE CONSOLIDATED LINKS", would fit right into the new "Mods and help" pastebin.
So instead of having separate links across the OP, and weird hybrids like:
>DMC3/4 AND SENGOKU BASARA: http://pastebin.com/R2JrSqvt

We could have all the tech, mods, tips, etc. Inside one neat and tidy pastebin.

>>122225590
Joke or not, of course we could also discuss this if there is interest.

>>122225762
By now there must be a lot of mods for DMC4 and DMC4:SE. So it would be nice if /cgg/ gathered and recommended some more mods and links to improve and expand the section of DMC4. (And all the /cgg/ approved games if possible).

This >>122224865 OP is honestly kinda rushed because I thought that this thread was not able to be posted, and I didn't want /cgg/ to be dead any longer.
So now let's all discuss about the changes that we could make.

>>122225139
Dante can't really brute force his way through a mission like Vergil can.

>>122226424
>By now there must be a lot of mods for DMC4 and DMC4:SE. So it would be nice if /cgg/ gathered and recommended some more mods and links to improve and expand the section of DMC4. (And all the /cgg/ approved games if possible).
Plus infernalworks has a shitty layout, oftentimes mods actually lack descriptions in their threads and there's so many mods that someone new to that site has no clue which are actually worthwhile to spend your time on getting to run.

Having some recommended by /cgg/ would be really nice actually.

>>122226432
He can still go through rooms with just 1 weapon though.
Gilgamesh and Rebellion can help clear out a bunch of rooms pretty easily. You'd be surprised.

Maybe if he was only tied to 1 style and 1 set of weapons he'd be severely limited, but you can use just 1 set of weapons and all styles just fine.

anyone know how to repack arcfiles? i see them as .tex files but the unpacked files have a different file extension.

>>122226424
>if there is interest
I think there was a strawpoll on Onechanbara Z2's cuhrayzee status. Last I checked, people were favorable towards it. And there is no shortage of interest, or just one anon is dumping lewds here

bless ya Onechan bro

>>122228001
people already getting tired of it tho

last thread I saw 1-2 people talking about returning the game cause it didn't hold up

>>122228083
There was one guy that was unsatisfied, the one that just bought the game. The other was telling that at the beginning it wasn't that exciting, but the game grow on him, or something like that.

>>122226623
meh, most of the mods are model-swaps, effect changes, texture mods(Mexican Uncle Juante mod is best) which are honestly take em or leave em if you ask me and little point in recommending it. But a compilation of links to mods allowing Vergil to do DT specific dodge/trick down outside of DT and other moveset switches that allows him to be closer to V3gil would be nice

Now that I notice (unless I'm wrong), we haven't made a single update for the new characters of DMC4:SE.

And yes, I know that they are kinda lacking compared to Dante or Nero, but I remember at least watching a few video giving tips to play Vergil, like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF16RaBq9V4
Not to mention that some anons are actually working with Lady and Trish.

I see no reason why the general dedicated to cuhrayzee games shouldn't have all posible info about the games on our OP, so let's discuss how we could add more info about the new characters.

Now I'm gonna leave for a few hours while the rest of the anons find the general, so that I can have more input. And while I also try to figure out how to put everything together.

>>122228083
that 1 guy hated/disliked musou by proxy(but bought Sengoju Basara 3, wonder how that will turn out). The other onechan bro said he still has tricks up his sleaves. Would like to see them.

Speaking of getting tired of it, how about that Transformers Devastation?
sarcasm

>>122228453
there is a Trish specialist that regularly posts here, wonder if he wrote down anything regarding her

So wait, one of Vergil's costumes in 3 gives him a new moveset? Really?

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>>122231540

>>122231720
I read in the old threads that he had Nero Angelo's moves, was it just a lie?

>>122231829
Corrupted Vergil costume gives Vergil a different devil trigger which, yes, is Nelo Angelo, with some of his moves. For example, if I remember correctly, Rapidslash is substituted for Angelo's dashing slash.

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>Get bored of DMC4
>Decided to install Batman: Arkham Asylum, since I never touched the game before.
>Remember hearing how people had fun with the combat system.
>Try it out.
>It's literally mashing X until you see a flashing head so you can press Y.

I never want to play this game again.

>>122232927
It's not challenging, but it's fun trying to extend your combo as long as you can.

>>122228767
its alright

>>122233223
Mashing 1 button then pressing another randomly isn't much fun.

>>122232927

once you open your eyes to cuhrayzee everything changes

>>122232736
Well fuck me then time to go back to the Vergil save, i hope my ass won't be gaping too much after the horsecock rape

>>122232927
Literally my biggest frustration with the batman games were people praising it's combat like it's the 3rd coming of christ. When I asked some of them about it they were totally baffled that I implied otherwise. The impression I got was that they liked the animations and the fact that you could point the stick towards another enemy mid combo. Shit that is literally as old as the snes.

>>122228083
That was one person that got disappointed because he made an uninformed purchase. Some of his complaints looked legit but from what he was posting it didn't look like he tried to dig or find anything at all. Didn't keep the game long enough to find anything substantial that's for sure. The original onechan anon said he still has faith in the game.

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It's out!

>>122234708
what is? Ninja Gaiden porn?

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Alright guys, I'm done.
It wasn't as hard as I expected. I also decided to rename it:
>CUHRAYZEE TIPS, TECHNIQUES, MODS, AND MISC

And as I said, it has all the info of the "cuhrayzee approved links". Not a single pastebin or game from the current OP was ignored.

Please check it out and tell me what do you think.
http://pastebin.com/juDAjfSM

>>122235139
Much fucking better.

>>122235113
Yep! Look up Kunoichi 2 by StudioFOW. trigger warning: SFM

>>122234696
Original oneechan also posts some cool combos that don't look like absolute clusterfucks.

There's at least one more person with the game, and a 4th one interested in getting it as well, I believe.

What's the order of cuhrayzee in BnS?

KFM > BM > Ass > D > FM?

>>122228083
I'm not tired of it and I'd like to see what one-bro can come up with. Now going so far as to say that the game is up to /cgg/'s standards is way too hasty, doesn't help that not many people own the game to confirm whether or not there's potential.

can we get this cleared? stop calling them oneechan bros. the game is called ONEEchanbara, we can't not call them ONIIchanbaras

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>>122228767
>that 1 guy hated/disliked musou by proxy
Saying I dislike onechanbara because I dislike musou games, which you already did 3 times now, trivializes my opinion of it. Why I dislike koei musou games is different from why I dislike onechanbara, which is logical because their combat mechanics are totally different.
I stated my opinion of it with very clear arguments in the previous thread:
>>122174413

The most important reason for disliking the game I have copypasted below. The top ones being the most deciding factors in why I disliked it.
>The game is flashy as fuck from the get go. You don't even need to practice. If you thought virgil felt too flashy to bother practicing with him onechanbara will up the ante.
>almost everything cancels everything from the initial starting frames of an attack
>attack hitboxes are huge in the air, hitting enemies below your feet with punches thrown out at chest level
>The bossfights have QTEs constantly and those prevent damage until triggered.
>combos are super long and get boring to execute or watch
>There is nothing to motivate creativity or experimentation and while I am not a person who cares a great deal about that, this game fucking needs it.

Only the last 2 of these could be applicable to musou games. So your argument is contradictory. Nonetheless I can understand it if people want to talk about it and I won't stand in your way of doing so. I won't shitpost about it, and I might even ask questions about it sometimes. But do I feel like playing it? Fuck no.

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>>122236092
>mfw 12:00

>>122237254
oh hai, anon. Did you return Samurai Heroes?

>>122237887
different guy but if you havent yet, do so. its bad

>>122237254
Not that guy and I think it's fine you'd rather spend your time playing different games.
But I disagree with your definition of flashy, and do not feel as if the gameplay you showcased from Oneechanbara from the few hours you had the game, qualified for that description.
Other guy however, unwillingly garnered interest for the series with pretty nice-looking controlled gameplay that doesn't look like a spazzfest.

Again, it's fine if you didn't like the game, and if the game is or isn't "cuhrayzee" is irrelevant to this discussion, but most points that you argue with are contradicted by both your and other Onee-chan's webms.

>>122237997
how bad? Dynasty Warriors bad?

>>122237887
Kek. I haven't tried it yet.

>>122238087
>do not feel as if the gameplay you showcased from Oneechanbara from the few hours you had the game, qualified for that description.
Well if the game looks flashy yet has lenient execution, then it really is just a flashy looking game.

>>122238225
not as bad as the old dynasty warriors, but its about the same as the newers ones. 3 utage is better, and 4/sumeragi is leagues better

>this SB talk
The movesets per character are as limited as other musous, so it's terrible in terms of "muh creativity".

It has just enough tech to differentiate yourself from casual "Square x n > Triangle", though, which makes it fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0rRWC7XYI#t=4m

>>122239219
>speedrun
GET DOWN

>>122238687
utage was on Wii or something and considered cuhrayzee, correct? Maybe I could emulate it and be the other Basara bro

>>122239592
yep, utage is on wii. unfortunately, it doesnt get too exciting until you unlock the tag mechanic (beat story mode for every utage character).

>>122238087
The fact that you have another concept of what I meant by "flashy" does not make my points contradictory. If you don't want to trust my opinion because I haven't proven my skill with the game, then that's up to you. I just hope you're not as disappointed as I was when you do try it. Good luck.

>>122238417
> Well if the game looks flashy yet has lenient execution, then it really is just a flashy looking game.

He can't talk about how it takes no practice or execution if he never did anything of worth. Not having to mash jump 5 times a second to stay in the air doesn't make everything too easy. I'll take anon #1's word over his since he actually put effort into his shit

>>122237254
>almost everything cancels everything from the initial starting frames of an attack

This isn't inherently a bad thing either. A few games on the list are the same way, off the top of my head there's Bayo and W101. People can try to shit on Bayo because
>muh tech
but W101 is totally different. You can cancel literally anything at any time, yet I don't see anybody else playing that game the way PhantomResonance does.

>>122238417
His gameplay didn't look flashy, just confusing. And wild.

That's why I said >>122239871 's webms contradict his thought.
"It's easy to look flashy!"
>Webm doesnt look flashy, just wild
Makes me think it wasn't that easy at all.

Anyway, he got what I meant, and said it more directly than I did even, so everything is fine.

The dong is streaming on dmc4 twitch. donguri9902nd

can't we leave that anon alone? He didn't find it fun, returned the game. Big whoop. Let's move on already.

>>122241352
he's kinda spamming the same combo over and over again against scarecrows

>>122241352

do most high level players just flip between SWORD and TRICK

>>122242282
They are pretty reliable, so I'd imagine so.

>>122242282
the only time you'd want to switch to RG is to block something so

>>122242792
GuardFly, GuardRave (or whatever people call it), ground strings use RG a bit.

There's more stuff.

>>122243021
shit you're right
either way, sword/trick gets used a lot more

>>122243210
Yeah, absolutely. Gunslinger is the least used of all (even darkslayer get used more in air and ground strings.).

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>Finally buy a DS4 because my DS3 has been shitting the bed lately
>Think it'll fix the problems I have with DMC 3 and the style switcher where the game doesn't detect L3 and R3, circle is broken and all kinds of shit
>It does, but only once

Please, help me. I want to play this game again.

>>122243324
understandable though, gunslinger doesn't exactly have a whole lot to work off of

>>122243347
how's the controller itself? better than ds3?

>>122243494
It's much better. It's more rounded, and the concave sticks feel fantastic. There's also a fancy multicolor led and a headphone jack, if that can be of any use to you.

The only thing I don't like is the placement of the central buttons. The Share and Start buttons are way too tiny and out of place to use for taunting mid-battle, but you can simply set those to the trackpad.

And now is CT's turn. Live at Twitch::chaserthewolf

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>Transformers
>Still exist

Impossible!

>>122246132
It's a great game. The greatest Transformers game ever made.
I don't care if it's /cgg/ material or not, I'm not even going to try to defend it as such. But it's still a great game.

>>122244380
The touchpad also doubles as Start and Select.

Press it on the right side and it is Start; press in on the left side and it is Select.

>>122246702
>greates Transformers game ever madeI pretty sure the game is good. But being the greatest transformer game means little when you consider that the last decent ones were meh third person shooters

>>122247385
fucking shit

>>122247495
>Find: Punctuation
>0 results. You've reached the end of this document.

> Chimaera
Why
Who
For what purpose

>>122252312
So we could atone for Capcom's sins.

>>122252462
i mean literally -- what is the purpose of designing enemies like that?
What combat designer is trying to achieve there?

>>122252931
zone out every 5 or so seconds and to fuck up your aerial combo fun.
tldr because fuck you

>>122252931
Make you think and strategize for a second instead of constantly wailing on scarecrows.
Fuck assault Chimaera though. It is the worst enemy in DMC4.

http://www.platinumgames.co.jp/#!/item_internship/
Anyone interested in a platinum internship?

>page 10
I NEED MORE SEQUELS

>>122255006
>implying anyone here is qualified

i wish though

so PC or Ps4 version for DMC4 especial edition?

>>122260837
PC

>>122259189
>work at Platinum
>make endless bayo/MGR clones with different IP attached
no thanks
sarcasm

>>122259189
more like
>implying anyone here lives in japan

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>>122244380
I'm surprised you would say it's more rounded. I always cut myself on the edges below the triggers when I'm playing dmc4. Can't say it doesn't fit the overall edgy and masochistic appeal of the game but it's less that pleasant. I feel the claw is easier with a ds4 so that's a plus.

>>122255006
Don't post that you baka fucking gaijin. cgg is the last thing we want in our company.

>>122267726
Applying just to spite you

>>122240482
>>Webm doesnt look flashy, just wild
I do not care what you call what the gameplay looks like, I don't care that it doesn't fit your definition of "flashy, Stop acting autistic about the word I use to describe the gameplay.
Again, you are indirectly saying that my opinion isn't valid because my webms weren't as "flashy" as that other guy's while the reasons I think the game is shit have nothing to do with it's possibility for "flashy" combos.

>>122243021
>GuardRave
What is this?

>>122269640
dude, why bother bringing up a topic that thankfully died fucking hours ago.
You main Lady in DMC4SE? Found anything?

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>>122269990
I was working on lady a while back and got distracted by other games. I'm planning to research her more so we have a complete list of things she can do. This is everything I have right now:
http://pastebin.com/ENTrdJ7G

If you see something that isn't correct or missing do tell.

I'm still stumped on that gun charge retention thing. It's hard to execute. There is one anon that's really proficient at it though so I'm hoping he can confirm that I got it right.

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>Page 10
>DED general

Y'know I think it's hilarious that the only time /cgg/ is really active is when...

>Someone shits on a cuhrayzee games or doesn't like DMC

At the moment...

>Onechanbara is best girl
>Not DMC

Kek. But there's someone trying to restore balance by shitting on Oneechan when he obviously didn't try the mechanics, he just "played the game" lol and then says he doesn't like Musou and then...

>Buys Sengoku Basara.
Mwahahahahaha. Some newfag who lacks knowledge the concept of cuhrayzee causing destruction. How the fuck do you NOT know that Sengoku Basara is a Musou?

>Incoming Sengoku Basara DESTUCTION?

I've said it 1000 times now. Sengoku Basara is a Warriors game and has always been that. It plays 95% like a Warriors game, it uses the same formula as a Warriors game, and the other 5% leftover is just Capcom's input. People say it's cuhrayzee, but to me, the combos don't look any better than Orochi Warriors combo. I'd even say that because OW has a third character they even look more interesting than Sengoku Basara combos.

The only argument is that Sengoku Basara apparently has depth, but doesn't require any real execution. It's just Warriors game with Anime swordmans and some depth.

And for people would like to argue against me, don't worry... I've already purchase the game and it's on the way. You get my full review soon. By the way I did play the 3rd game.

>>122275290
I would like to see some Wariors Orochi stuff in that case.

>>122275380
The best Sengoku Basara combo video was done by some anon here and was entered in one of the recent VST. His combos literally look like shit from Warriors Orochi.

Ground base -> Tag -> Re-position -> Ground Base -> Tag -> Add a little bit of jumping in there -> Add some Musou supers -> etc -> etc -> possible repeat(?) -> etc -> etc

Same shit from WO. Even the General NPC's physics act the same. Once they get in a combo their just a game physics experiment.


I might make a Webm showing the combos side by side so you can see there's really no difference from a visual PoV.

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Is /cgg/ finally destined to die?

Or will something even greater rise from the ashes of its carcass?

CUHRAYZEE game with Rodin or a Fabulous Lumen Sage when?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6E13xODyA

Damn, haven't heard this in a long time, but it still sends shivers down my spine when I listen to it.

The good kind that is.

>>122276615
Fuck this 24-hour Internet spew of trivia and E-celeb faggotry! Fuck elitist pride! Fuck the vague judging! FUCK ALL OF IT! /CGG/ is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new /CGG/ will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The casuals will be purged and the motivated will thrive - free to find cuhrayzee as they see fit, they'll make /CGG/ great again!

I am inanely bat-shit insane

>>122276982
So, you want a CGG, where everyone can play every game on CGG and they'll prove by fighting their own wars that the game is worth?
=P

>>122276982
A thread of the TRULY free dammit!

>>122277152
Sounds interesting. To me that is the true nature of cuhrayzee. Playing shit in a way that no one could have foreseen

>>122276982
Yeah tell em brother!

So, i decided to play my dmc 4 vanilla on my xbox, after some time of playing bayonetta only. I pick Dante and go on mission 17 on Dante Must Die.

And for some reason, i'm better at the game, i didn't do anything advanced, i actually did pretty basic stuff (and i didn't even switch from rebellion at all), but i was able to control my position and the enemies quite well. I died twice, one in the beginning,and i restarted the stage, and the other on the agnus fight because i messed up and got cornered when he decided to spin.

And i still don't touch royal guard, i think i'm going to practice that.

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>>122279863
Well bayonetta probably helped you with fundamentals.

>>122279863
I hear ya.

After replaying Bayo 1 and playing Bayo 2 last year, coming to DMC4:SE last week I am so much better than I remember being 4 years ago.

>>122277152
not him, but I would like to see a cgg where anons will just post some sick combo/tech/game they found for funsies. Like all of the retro beat-em-up anons

>>122280651
I believe that is the case. And i also finally got used to my control scheme in dmc 4.

And i also now have a better notion of what gives me invincibility and what i can use to avoid stuff, a thing that i didn't know the last time i played dmc 4.

Of course, i'm a scrub at dmc 4, but that will change, i just don't know how i'll manage 3+ games at the same time, but i'll do it.

>>122282770
the hard part is sifting through all the crap and finding games that are actually decent

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Any tips on beating Shynie on cruel difficulty?
Been going at it for like 3 days and she keeps wrecking my shit hard.

I enjoy literally every character other than Dante more in DMC4:SE

wtf is wrong with me? ;_;

>>122286835
Maybe you like the costumes?
For me, I can't be motivated enough to play with anyone else but vanilla characters.

>>122236092
its sad DMC 4 will never get a full length SFM porn about the girls getting fucked by demons even DmC gets more then it

is the dlc available for transformers yet? I could not buy it for 50 dollars thats to much for how little was in the game but now that I can get it for 20 its a pretty good deal

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>>122287219
just saw this.

>>122275380
Ignoring the shitformers guy, but here's some Orochi 3 stuff from someone that does some ok combos

https://youtu.be/Q8lcA_5kRKY?t=38s

compared to one of the Basara VST entries

https://youtu.be/C1Bua6fq3G4?t=1s

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>>122271017
A few things to fix or add to that guide

> You kept the part about "walking is required to cancel shotgun". I told you this isn't the case, you just need to jump forward or backward.
< Shotgun is cancellable on it's very first frame. ( you say it's quick, but not how quick)
>Hand gun Charge Shot isn't "cancellable" by anything except the DT Burst thing. It just has very small recovery. Rule of thumb is: If walking out of the move isn't any slower than anything else, it's not a cancel. This is the case for Charge Shot.
< No mention of both 1st hits in Kalina ann melee combos being very low launcher attacks.
> RocketJump is also cancellable from the very first frame, which affects your momentum while preventing the Shot to come out.
< Situations in which rocket charge is useful can just be replaced by Shotgun shot, as it also cancels those moves with the same timing and is cancellable by rolls, melee attacks, Rush Hour, Scatter, etc.
> Try to call certain things by their names. Like Gun launcher = Two hand, or Grenade Throw = Scatter.
< No unlocked Trigger Happy (WebM related), Which is done by a similar input to "reversed moves", and makes it so that one set of shots doesn't track the enemy, instead going horizontally accross.

That's all I have right now.

>>122287017
lets be real though all dmc4 girls are shit
except for kyrie

>>122289128
you don't talk shit about my waifu for laifu lady, I do not care what people say she is a cuhrayzee with her sexy sweet style

>>122289068
That grenade toss at the end was kinda overkill senpai

>>122289673
Ending a Lady combo: "Umm ummmm what do I do now shit? fuck! Oh EXPLODE EVERYTHING QUICK"

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>>122289128
>likes worst girl
>think he has the right to share his opinion
I laugh at you

>Page10

hooo boy..

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>>122282770
You want to see something more like this?

>>122286238
Just go full out on her. Despite the projectiles she's pretty easy once you know her attacks. Dodge or Just Defend everything.

>>122289068
Good corrections mate. I'll look into it.

>>122283456
Games can become more decent through exploiting their mechanics, but it's a matter of preference where your own threshold lies.

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>>122275290
>Kek. But there's someone trying to restore balance by shitting on Oneechan when he obviously didn't try the mechanics, he just "played the game" lol and then says he doesn't like Musou and then...
You really want my attention don't you? Is it lonely where you are now? You want to talk about it? I'm here anon. You can tell me anything you want.

>>122297326
I'd like to clarify that 1, I'm not >>122275290 , I'm the guy that just posted the suggestions for the lady pastebin.
2, I wasn't shitting on Oneechan that took the game back. i just don't think he dived deep enough, and his conclusions differed from what he showed.

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>>122297794
Guy, come on.

How much stronger is Vergil then Dante in DMC3 gameplay wise? If I go and beat Very Hard and DMD mode as him to I get less respect?

>>122303791
It's easier to boost your damage through constant sword usage, but personally, I think the gap between them in DMC3 isn't as big as in DMC4.
I'm not even sure Vergil -is- stronger than Dante in 3.

>>122304024
Pretty sure he is since his summoned swords make him kinda OP.

DMC5 or 4?

>>122309443
4 since 5 doesn't exist

Final Fantasy 15 seems pretty cuhrayzee you guys. I'm really starting to see the possibilities and there's a shit ton of attacks, 3rd person gunplay, the magic system, and co-op attacks. I know it's farfetched but it would be the greatest thing ever to be able to style in that game.

>>122310043
>Final Fantasy 15 seems pretty cuhrayzee

No

>>122310043
I know this is bait but the demo was a unresponsive piece of shit honestly, I was hoping for at least Kingdom Hearts but it managed to be worse than that.

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>>122309443
5

>>122310337
not happening

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>>122311539
i know

>>122310208
They've patched the demo for better less clunky gameplay, and they have said announced relatively recently several changes to the combat system.
Evade cancels for your attacks. No MP necessary for basic roll.
There's less of the "walk-around in a circle" when you want to turn 180 (this is in the demo patch)
MP gain will be more prominent during battle, so battles wont be hit, run and hide.

They also said that weapon switching won't be automated, and instead be up to the player (yay motherfucker).

That said, probably not cuhrayzee.

>>122310152
These attacks x4, because weapons are switchable at any time as confirmed by the devs:
>*an opening attack
>*a standard combo string
>*3 directional moves that can be used before, during or after the standard combo string: 2 can be used in quick succession, some have I-frames.
>*delayed attack similar to dmc
>*dodge attacks of 3 variants depending on dodge direction (although they will probably use the same base mechanics)
>a launcher
>an ascending mid-air attack string
>*a mid-air descending attack
>*an high above the enemy attack
>*a back towards the enemy attack
>*a special skill
(Attacks with a * can be executed in the demo. Try it fag)

Then there is 3 different kinds of warp attacks: target lock warp that stops in front of the enemy and attacks, throw weapon warp that goes through an enemy while attack, and close range warp, which closes a short distance and does a stabby thing. It is likely that these will also be influenced by the weapon switching but I'm not sure.

There is also the warp dodge, and timed warp dodge, blocking bullets, the parry, dodge roll, quick recovery, QTE co-op attacks triggered by a circle in the field, and co-op attacks triggered during your normal attacks by pressing a button.
There is going to be aerial combos, with warping included.
Then there's magic that we don't know anything about.

Yes the targetting system was irresponsive as fuck mostly due to the fact that it's hard to change targets while attacking, and not using dmc4's targetting priority. These were big complaints with the poll and I'm sure they worked on that shit hard.
When attacking you were pulled into enemies, that was shit too, and it seems there will be no real execution barrier.
But the more I play it the more I'm beginning to see how it flows and that I could have serious potential if they play their cards right.

>>122313171
>QTE
with the point you're trying to make I wouldn't use this as an argument

as for the rest, we'll just have to wait until someone starts posting some webms

>>122313412
Why wouldn't he? He's trying to showcase option variety.

Do you think that Nero's Buster on dizzied bosses is any different than a QTE, just because there is no prompt? Or do you forget that Bayonetta's torture attacks are also just QTEs?

>>122313915
They are more contextual events than QTE's(torture attacks and nero's buster), but i believe what the guy said in FF15 is also more a contextual button prompt than a QTE per se.

>>122313412
>>122313915
Well they're totally optional. I think that's the important part and there's no button on the controller being reserved for it :^)

>>122313915
QTEs being in our favorite games doesn't make them any better though. and if he is trying to showcase option variety, he's shown enough anyways

>>122314260
It also doesn't make them worse. Godhand for example makes good use of Stomp, Pummel, counter, touch of God, etc.

Mechanics aren't inherently bad. Balancing them the wrong way is the real problem you should have with QTEs (or button prompts, whatever you want call them. We all knew what the dude meant.)

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>>122315342
But there's always the what if question: What if pummel, stomp, touch of god, etc. weren't QTEs? Would that be better? Or are they sort of interesting now because they are different?

I'm of the opinion that there's beauty to be seen in mechanics that force a certain effect, momentum, or state, combined with mechanics that influence other things. A lot of games have this and it's most often were you'd find interesting results. hohoho i'm getting all teary eyed thinking about it. It's beautiful. Guys help I'm seriously tearing up because of fucking game mechanics. I've gone full autism. Send help now.

>>122316594
i think we've all done this anon. it's okay, just let the emotions run through you.

>>122316594
Every single one of the moves you listed in the first paragraph, apply for the second one.

I just started playing GodHand but Pummel is a basic attack and the final hit is a knockback, Stomp knocks down, Countering demons is also a knockback, touch of god I'm not sure, but when it hits regular enemies I believe it knocks back. You can see Kob using all of these in his NG+ Hard run.

QTEs/Button prompts and "Shitty mechanic where you're invincible throughout it's duration, stuck in a cinematic" aren't necessarily the same thing, even though that's the main implementation of them.

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>>122316719
>>122316719
>just let the emotions run through you.
Just like my butthurt?

Okay.

I hit the point on my "New Game NSIC Pure Platinum Run with bayonetta"(inspired by yoshesque's run with Jeanne on NSIC), that was most afraid.

Chapter V, i just did it, and got my Pure Platinum on it. The reasons i was afraid of this chapter are:

-Witch Time alfheim, i believe that with Jeanne is impossible to do this alfheim without bracelet of time, but i'm not sure, but i'm doing with bayonetta, it was easier than i thought, and since i was able to get halos enough to buy a gaze of despair (i have since chapter 2, didn't stop to grind or anything like that), i was able to gain a lot of meter, and the alfheim was easier.
-The chapter is long, meaning that if i got a bad score in time or combo (since damage is easy to control), i would have to start over again.
-Stay in the air alfheim. This one was the one that i was theorizing all the time on how to do it, since at this point in game, i don't have either a bracelet of time, or the bird form. But it was exactly how i thought, break the enemy armor the fastest possible, and then uses the whip grab and enemy step off the enemy, i wasn't perfect, so i had to go for a menu in the middle of the alfheim to change the whip for a sword so i could stop my fall momentum a few seconds more, but i believe that with precision and setup, you can do it without changing weapons.
-Instakill moment, this one got me, before the fight agains the serpent thing, it seems that it is easier to fall on harder difficulties on this part, but i was able to restart.
-Jeanne boss fight, nothing like a bossfight in the end of a long chapter, eh?

But i was able to go trough it, and i got my pure platinum, and now i can buy the bird form and bat within, that will make the run way easier, i'm just afraid of one alfheim in the future and possible resets.

>>122317129
let the butthurt fuel your cuhrayzee.

>>122317159
Also, one thing that i forgot.

It is weird, i thought this before i starded fighting for ranking in stages, but while my play is improving, the one thing that is not great, and i imagine this happen in other games, is that i end up doing the safest strategy for each part, instead of trying to be creative and super stylish.

>>122317420
don't worry about it too much. if you can't beat something safely then you aren't going to do it with style either. just keep practicing.

>>122317306
Then I got fuel for centuries to come. ;_;

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>>122317094
original guy who doesnt like QTEs here
when you put it like that, i guess you're right.
i still dont like most of them

>>122313171
> if they play their cards right.

Which is exactly why it's not gonna happen. It's an RPG (from SE, kek) first and foremost.

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>>122319140
I know right? It's ridiculous. They haven't made a good game in like a decade if not more. What they did make was utter utter dogshit of the highest class of divine dogshit.

Anyway here's a webm. It's not really grade A footage but it's probably better than anything on youtube.

>>122322958
that dodging is some DmC-tier stuff man, anything else you can show?

>>122323671
Yeah I'm trying to make a densely filled recording. That roll is pretty cool though. It loses momentum near it's end, but you still have control over your turning. Meaning you can use it to turn you back on an enemy to prepare for a back attack.

Tfw stuck in the training mode rut and get overwhelmed with thinking too much about what I'm going to do when freestyling.

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>>122326227
Yeah, that's bayonetta sucking beast cock

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>>122326227
fucking leave

>>122322958
Oh god, those frames.
to be honest, the fag in me would like to play FF15 only for the boy band cast of characters + gameplay doesn't look too bad. Wonder if it will stay a PS4 exclusive.

>>122326398
it wasn't Rodin's cock?
>>122326227
always liked Incase

>>122326896
>PS4 exclusive

its coming to the xbone also which means pc evenutually

>>122327009
>it wasn't Rodin's cock?
Bayonetta only sucks pure white cock or beast cock

>>122327032
I is wetarded, fowgive me senpai

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Hey /cgg/ BnS anon here! I know in the past I have shown off some PvP stuff without really explaining anything so I'd like to give some of that right now. Today I'll go over the recovering and escape mechanics, their properties and when can they be used. I will also use WebMs to showcase them.

Back Rolls
>Can only use while on the floor or in a groggy state.
>Decent cooldown
>0.2 secs of I-Frames at the end

Back rolling is probably the most unsafe thing to do while on the floor and is best to use it only when you have your Tab or if the player cannot use that as an opportunity to get a big punish on you. When near the edge of the arena it is never ever a smart decision.


Tab (Escape)
>Can be used to escape most situations
>Can not be used to escape grabs
>Long cooldown
>1 second of I-Frames once you have completely escaped

Tab is the most important tool to know when to use and to also watch out for during all PvP matches. It is the only tool you have in the game that will allow you escape both stun and knockdown combos. Many of the previous WebMs clips I've shown you consist of players doing 100 - 0 combos. Once you burn this skill you are completely open to anything and everything, use it wisely!


Now I will show you a clip for my point of view. @ around 0:02 my opponent slams me on the ground. If you look to right of my character you will see a skill appear, prompting that it can now be used. Around 0:03 seconds there's a silhouette, that indicates that the I-Frames at the end were active as the attack landed. After that my opponent uses a shoulder charge which put me in a stunned state, into a knockdown, great back roll punish but was a little late. @ 0:07 I decided to use my Tab. The skill on the Left near the chat box is my Tab.

Now after that, I knockdown my opponent and then baited his back roll -> spin with a back dash(changes to Draw Stance) penta slash into a full combo. The reason this happened was due to my opponent burning his Tab earlier.

>>122326896
I sort of like it right now and am excited for it's features, but it plays totally different than it looks. To me the gameplay looked a bit more stiff and methodical, but it's quite button mashy and slidey, often leaving you attacking in a direction you didn't want to or sliding all the way past 3 enemies close to you because the auto targetting system thought it was a good idea to home in on that small elephant thing on the other side of the battle. The 2 or 3 attacks that don't have that homing "feature" feel really good though and would be comparable to something out of dmc4. One jumping spear attack in particular.
Also once you're locked in an attack combo it's hard to get out and change targets unless you cancel out of it with a roll, jump, or warp.

But I really think these things are so lame because of the demo, and seeing as they're doing a lot of smart things with the combat system and these were the most obvious complaints they might actually pull this one off. True cuhrayzee I can't say, but It'll definitely have a technical aspect to it.

Also the boyband thing is pretty amusing. Sometimes they're just guys talking shit. Sometimes they're just being typical animu fags with special snowflake syndrome and poetic tendencies.

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>>122327332
all is forgiven

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>>122328351

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nbQ2fvgGxI

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Next up is grab counters and grab escapes.

Grab Counters
>Used to counter grabbed state
>To activate, requires being pressed at the exact same time your opponent uses their next attack

Grab counters are very skillful and only work when timed with your opponent's attack. It requires you to press the button at the same time and will not work if you miss it by even a single frame. They are very hard to do, but if you can read your opponent's timing habits you'll manage to get one off. Very rewarding since guessing does not work.

Will show Grab Escapes next.

>>122329698
game looks interesting at least. Hope there is more than one weapon.

>>122328673
looks cool but i still wouldn't call it cuhrayzee, man.

>>122329946
Forgot to mention that the counter does not work on the grab itself. Any damage, animations or attacks being done during the grab can not be countered and will count as a missed counter. It is the next skill you must counter, not the actual grab.

>>122328673
Wow, flagpoles really aren't that great as weapons, are they?

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Grab Escapes
>Requires skill points
>Exclusive to a certain skill on the skill tree
>Can used only during a grabbed state
>Cool down depends on the skill/class
>Not available to all classes

Grab Escape is an escape that is bound to what I'd say is one of your best skills and is only available if you put skill points into the actual skill before the match starts. It's pretty much the Grab version of Tabs.

Also, about the skill point, unlike most MMOs, Blade and Soul is an competitive game first, the main focus is PvP. Skill points in blade and soul can be re-spec at anytime on the fly while out of combat or waiting for a round to begin. If you were fighting say... a Blade Master, you will not place points into the skill, because you do not need it against Blade Master since they don't have a grab. Instead you spec some only place. It is only useful against classes with grabs.

>>122322958
Unsurprisingly, you completely and totally missed the point.

All I see from looking at that webm is a dude getting hit and armoring straight through it. From the other demo footage I browsed other enemies barely react to getting hit too, and I highly doubt that'll change much in the finished game. There's no interesting move properties that have various effects on different enemies, because that doesn't matter in an RPG.

How much of a grind would unlocking moves be? how much are levels and stat padding going to affect the potential for skillful play? Would there be a decent post game that allows you to experiment when you become end game levels of OP? Would there even be an NG+?

The game might have some semi interesting mechanical nuances with the warp stuff, but at the end of the day there's no chance in hell it'll be cuhrayzee.

>>122333104
in jrpgs NG+ is highly likely, the main point of uncertainty is what NG+ will even entail

Devil May Cry 4 was released years ago, and i'm still mad that dante doesn't have a proper moveset with yamato.

>>122333663
and I am still mad that the game is still unfinished. Oh wait, Vergil and two less than half-finished waifus? Fuck, 10/10 GOTY

Alright, that's pretty much the stuff you need to know about recovering. There are more that I haven't listed but I just wanted to teach you the main stuff.


I'Il leave off with comboing since I know you guys love your combo options.

Combos
>Remember the 6 rules
>No set way to combo
>Requires managing meter
>Some skills do have a set cooldown which can be very short or long
>Some skills have zero cool down
>All skills are cancelable, including normals


Comboing in Blade & Soul only requires you to remember the 6 rules. They are Stun, Groggy, Aerial, Knockdown, Skill Resets, and Ani-cancels. Learn which skills qualify to have the five states and also learn which attacks Ani-cancel into each other. Ani-cancels, known as Animation Cancelling, are Normal attacks that can continuously chain into one another. When this is done in say, a fighting game, usually the character will start to move away from the other character being hit. But in Blade and Soul there is no form of push back. Ani-cancels are solely for damage only, they do not have cool down, but they do cost meter.

Take a look at the WebM from >>122327360 and focus on the bottom right of the screen. Notice the blue orbs? Yes ,that is my meter gauge. During the combo you will notice it depletes but it is also building meter. That is because some of the attacks being used build meter, too! The only thing that limits you from continuing a combo is the amount of meter you have. This only applies to PvP. At PvE end game with the right weapon and gems you can have infinite meter and combo infinite! Or until whatever it is you were hitting dies. PvP is equalized so meter will drain during combos. And even with meter management, every class in the game has a death combo in Arena PvP as I've shown in the pass with the exception of Assassin. Assassin does have death combos, but they Okizeme you to death, and it is very very hard to deal with a good Assassin.

Wake up!

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>>122343368

So, has anyone done a recent bayonetta combo video?

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Does any cuhrayze have a one inch punch?

>>122344086
Bayonetta.

The perfect parry with sai fung is the one-inch punch.

>>122344086
where'd you get this from?

>>122344158
Ah, that makes sense, being the "Bruce Lee" weapon.
>>122344345
Made it. Animation practice.

>>122329698
That game looks nice. Right now hitstop is too serious and even though the art is great, I don't understand the low poly choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSt4qxUCqxg

>>122344086
Oh, also, i believe it is an actual move in God Hand, but i might be wrong.

>>122344579
You're right, it is.

>>122344556
got a tumblr/deviantart?

>>122343575
I don't think there's been a Bayonetta combo video in over a year.

>>122344830
Yeah but it's neglected as fuck. I need to actually start posting more shit somewhere online...

http://kantakun-art.tumblr.com

>>122345257
Nice way that you draw Jojo Characters. Great art!

>>122345247
That is a shame, i plan to change that, once i get super great at the game and get a capture device.

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>>122343575
Why haven't you made a bayonetta combo?

DO IT, JUST DO IT! MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE!

>>122345586
I said that just a few minutes ago.

>>122345456
>That is a shame, i plan to change that, once i get super great at the game and get a capture device.

here

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How the fuck do I beat this guy?

I just got to the part where I fight him in the sewers.

He hits like a tank and has ridiculous amounts of health.

This is my first DMC game.

>>122348286
I want to say shotgun.

But i'm not sure.

>>122348358
Yeah, shotgun and hit helm break his face. (also holding lock-on helps keep track of where he is, through the walls.)

rest in pieces, boys

>>122354963
We're all here, battling for our hopes and dreams. Treading on the long path towards our destiny. With determination in our hearts, we fight.
Once we see it, we won't stop.
Nothing can stop us. It is within our reach!

So do what you want! Throw whatever you have! Nothing can deter us from fulfilling our goals! Because I...
Because we...

BECAUSE WE ARE TRULY CUHRAYZEE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDwIH3f7lxU

Is Nier E-Sports? :^)

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>>122140556
>X-Blades
>remembers that I own it on steam
>turns out I hardly played it at all
>tries it out for 2 hours or so
This shit is worse than DMC2.
Jumping feels like DMC2 except even less gravity.
No way to manually aim, auto lock-on is atrocious and switches like crazy.
Game is almost musou in combat/enemy/level design.
You have to use magic attacks to damage bosses and nothing but magic attacks.
No way of proper crowd control apart for magic attack or mashing melee and hope to stun-lock them first.
Certain enemies can only be killed/efficiently killed via magic attacks so if you're out of magic your fucked.
No way to style apart for maybe using the teleport cancels.
You need to find collectibles to level up damage output instead of using souls, the currency in-game.
Enemies are sponges, attacks have odd hitbox, some enemies you have to shoot to kill because they're too small to melee, hit confirmation overall feels wonky.
Christ, why do I even own this shit.

BUMP

Do we really almost die this easily?

>>122360796
It's the weekend and late night/early morning. We are like... 30 regulars and that's being pretty generous. It's normal, I guess...

ded

Have a lady combo to record and post for like a week and a half now, but I've been too busy and when I'm free I don't feel like playing a shit character.

I just wanna be cuhrayzee man...

Also, how many drugs is this guy on simultaneously? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FvWBz8YliA&feature=youtu.be&a
What a wild playstyle.

>>122234343
Lol so true. I'm pretty sure it's the animations, the counter command and the fact that when you tilt the analog stick, he flies at your next target.

That said, it was still sorta fun. It was just shallow and dumb.

>>122366882
Yeah he used to play DMC4 way back.
Seems like he finally puts sound in his video. A lot of people accused him of cheating because of that.

Great player though.

>>122330440
Well me neither. This is a demo, and I'm just showing off base mechanics. Hopefully the full game will provide some advanced tech. I'm hoping, and I asked at the forums for jumping off of enemies to create loops. magic and guns would have to be usable in the air, and the air combo system would have to be about as complex as the ground combat. Either way I think it's going to be a fun game to break.

>>122359157
>Christ, why do I even own this shit.
Anime bimbo on the cover?

>>122359157
I got blades of time, because it looked cool.

Not worth it. D=

>Sengoku Basara

guess we're that desperate these days.

>>122366882

Best type of DMC4 gameplay. Too bad no one ever does this in story modo like the DMC3 days. I guess DMC3 just has an overall finished product along with better enemy and stage design while DMC4 still doesn't after having a Special Edition. I mean I understand not wanting to touch Dante, c'mon, you could have given Nero something dammit.


>>122359157
>Game is almost musou in combat/enemy/level design.

Is that you, musou bro? The word musou has been used quite a lot in the pass few days.

>>122372450
well we have mkh and korra so

>>122372595
What's with people constantly calling DMC4 unfinished?
We know it's unfinished. There's no reason to continuously say it in everything you post.

What's the best way to deal with Gladiuses in DMC 4 SE? They were actually fun to fight in vanilla DMC 4 but Capcom decided to go full retard and completely broke them.

Is there a mod that fixes them to the way they were before?

>>122372450
Basara has been here for quite a while now, you must not come here that often or are just a shitposter.

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>>122372595
>Have entire weekend off
>Still Sunday
>Every group that I'm in is currently inactive
>Friends are offline
>Don't want to watch anything
>Don't feel like playing anything right now

Anyone wanna watch me stream?

>>122379460
stream what

>>122380245
DMC4, DMC3+Style Switcher.
Maybe play Darksiders but that's a huge maybe.

>>122380326
how good r u

>>122380415
Pretty good I think. Webm related.
https://my.mixtape.moe/spkium.webm

Old webm though so I've gotten a bit better since then.

Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong in w101? I am trying to do platinum forever but it never comes out, I was able to do it once in the mission but that was it. Is it a one time use move?

>>122377086
I haven't found one. I just do Lucifer Pins > Clap and wait for them to run into that shit. They're so tiresome in SE....
>>122380715
Dope!

>>122375805
It's just a single shitposter. Ignore him.

>>122380715
Link to the song you used? It sounds familiar

Take the gold orb.

>>122387619
actually finished streaming 2 hrs ago.
right now I'm killing my boredom with cooking food.

>>122389172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJucjMRFyg

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Stuck on an Island for the next 4 years, you have the choice of DmC, Transformer Devastation, Dynasty Warriors 8, God of War, The Witcher, StarWars: The Force Unleashed, and Asura's Wrath. And you can only pick one game to play for the next four years.

Pick your poison.

Fuck that, I'm going Dynasty Warriors, at least there's a fuck ton of characters and there's even ass and tits to get off to when I'm in the mood

>>122399684
which witcher? if it's 3 im going with that, if it's the other two im going with DW8

>>122399684
Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2

>>122399881
Yeah Witcher 3. Why would you pick that over DW8? Am I missing something?

>>122400737
the best combat in the series even if it's a Dark Souls wannabe, decent plot although it starts painfully slow with an even slower final act due to fetch quests, and titties and waifus.

>>122399684
suicide or play DmC. Gotta practice JC button mashing somehow

>>122380715
stop stealing my songs chaser!!

I'm fiending for soem gameplay. someone post something :(

>>122399684
definitely dynasty warriors out of those.

or i could be like that autistic god of war player that popped up a couple years ago and insisted that god of war challenge runs were the highest level of cuhrayzee.

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>>122344086
That's not how it works...

>>122414197
That's because Bruce Lee is a real man, in the real world, which is bound by real physics, and as such, can't put insane power into a real "one inch" punch.

>>122414414
The inch is measured from the tip of the fingers, so it's technically still a one-inch punch. This is allowed because if you didn't let the fingers bend as they approached the impacting surface you'd probably break your hand, they act as shock absorbers.

>>122414868
I realize that, but what I'm saying is that bruce (and other one inch punchers) do it that way because they need to be able to apply force to the punch as a normal, human, non-fictional being.
But they aren't cracking stone blocks. Definitely not sliding them back. Nor generating shockwaves.

Sry, all I'm saying is, i wasn't animating a "real world" one inch punch. More of an exagerated "impossible" one.

>>122415916
just like uncle Dante from DMC4

>All day you think of a combo in your head
>Get back home and try it
>You can't because a move can't be combo into or cancelled

Why.

>>122344086
you working on a short movie or a 2d flash game ?

>>122416774
every game i've played that isn't cuhrayzee ends with this happening.

>>122416826
Neither right now. Just general practice.
(I'd never do a 2d game in a semi-realistic style. sounds extremely painful.)

>>122333104
>Unsurprisingly, you completely and totally missed the point.
Drop the attitude faglord.

>All I see from looking at that webm is a dude getting hit and armoring straight through it.
Like a lot of bosses in cuhrayzee games he doesn't always get knocked back or flinch when hit. He's challenging to fight and the pace of the fight seems pretty harsh for a tutorial sparring partner.

>From the other demo footage I browsed other enemies barely react to getting hit too,
The robot soldiers get consistantly staggered, or knocked back by jumping attacks, dragoon jump, some directional specials, and the greatsword. The mammoth type enemies are pretty irresponsive even to those attacks but do topple when hit enough. The large dinosaur type enemy mostly doesn't respond but sometimes he does fall over.

>How much of a grind would unlocking moves be? How much are levels and stat padding going to affect the potential for skillful play?
The devs talked about difficulty levels as well as being able to not level up for challenge runs.

> Would there be a decent post game that allows you to experiment when you become end game levels of OP? Would there even be an NG+?
Apparently there will be some beefy post game content. There is no NG+ confirmed as of yet.

>The game might have some semi interesting mechanical nuances with the warp stuff, but at the end of the day there's no chance in hell it'll be cuhrayzee.
Why just with the warp stuff? In the demo you can use the dodge roll to turn in any direction during it's last few frames, preparing for a back attack. It's also possible to do attacks out of the normal combo string pattern the game uses, or even repeat them. I've done both accidentally. The warp stuff might be interesting but I'm not sure how much freedom we'll have.

Please understand that I know what cuhrayzee is, and what it's most pure form should look like. All I'm hoping is that the final game will provide what I want.

>page 10
Deader than Vergil

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>>122421489
Post some cuhrayzee anon

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>>122421626

Note to myself 1: Never touch Bayonetta on wii u again, i have the xbox version, it runs better, you'll only get frustraded playing bayonetta on wii u.

Note to myself 2: Forget about gaze of despair runs on Bayonetta 2, at least for now, my abilites to dodge attacks that aren't cued properly isn't enough, yet.

>>122421626
>>122421971
I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I do know that I want to play it

>>122421626
>>122421971
the way he holds his swords bugs the hell out of me

>>122418159
is it possible to do anything with an enemy who is staggered? can you otg them? can you do any other kind of knockback? in your webm, you only show yourself just hitting them some more.
>I've done both accidentally
can you record footage of yourself doing them on purpose?

i think you should also keep in mind that a game doesn't have to be cuhrayzee to be good. if cgg doesnt like your game, who cares? play it anyways.

>>122413092
>god of war challenge runs were the highest level of cuhrayzee
I think I grew a brain tumor because of that line. Thanks, anon.

>bayonetta is cuhrayzee
>gow which bayo takes inspiration for isnt

explain this to me cgg? both are dial a combo games too so why exclude gow?

>>122428485
kek, gr8 b8 m8

>>122428818
is that your only response? a meme?

>>122428908
when you shitpost so poorly you don't deserve much more

>>122428485
Where have you take the idea that bayo takes inspiration from Gow?

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>>122428485
>gow is cuhrayzee
>gow which is inspired by gow isn't

explain this me? both are actions games too so why
include dmc?

God bless you bait anon.
>Page 5
God bless you.

>>122429039
>shitposting

i'm just asking you guys a question.

>>122429072
kamiya has said so himself just google it.

>>122429873
>page 2
y'know, it speaks wonders about /cgg/ when the time it gets the most alive is when replying to obvious bait

>people keep saying i posted bait but no one has yet to answer my question

>>122429963
Maybe inspiration in pacing/scale, which there is nothing wrong.

But mechanics wise, there is nothing similar to God of War. Interviews with Kamiya show that he basically based himself on his fundamentals (dmc 1 basic stuff), and that he played dmc 4, when making bayonetta.

maybe torture attacks, since they are kinda similar to God Of war QTE finishes, but in bayonetta they are completely optional and they use meter. =P

>>122430274
The answer is God of War is a shallow button masher that is very far on the spectacle end of the scale rather than actually having good combat.

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>>122430274
Because it's been talked over a million billion times in this thread and no one cares to discuss it further just because your newfag ass can't tell the difference between totally different games.

>>122317420
>>122317159
> i would have to start over again
I am always using title menu continue trick, like a little bitch i am.

I think trying to do it "legitimately" in one go is just wasting your time. I know i can do it if spend enough time and in some chapters i DID it all in one go anyway. Especially when i fail on combo late into the chapter, like verse 10.

I just don't have it in me to restart. Especially if there are Joys involved in previous verses.

> But it was exactly how i thought, break the enemy armor the fastest possible, and then uses the whip grab and enemy step off the enemy, i wasn't perfect
That's how i did it, only i had sword/whip from the get go and no need to enter menu. I didn't even bother killing second Grace. For extra vertical boost you can equip shotguns on feet.

Don't even need sword charge floating in the air -- just get high enough and start sloooowly descending while shooting with guns. If Grace or Glory try to attack -- even better -- maha-kalaa resets both your double jump AND sword charging.

I think in one of those i clutched it by hanging three meters above the ground and angel dog saved me by shooting easily parry-able fireball at me and i restarted sword charging.

I think it's Chapter V, right before Jeanne boss fight there is backtracking alfheim with manta ray angels and that one is tricky. I remember both completely forgetting it and failing on combo on it. That verse (#13 i think) was one of the most disheartening to fail on in a long chapter

>>122431003
I use the menu continue, but sometimes you get a checkpoint right as the ranking appears, so it is too late. =P

>>122418159
>Drop the attitude faglord.

I didn't have an attitude. You however seem pretty flustered when all I did was say you missed the point, like I expected you to.

>>122333104
> no interesting move properties that have various effects on different enemies because that doesn't matter in an RPG.
>doesn't matter in an RPG.
> doesn't matter
> in an RPG.

Balancing RPG elements with action gameplay is a huge problem when it comes to the possibility of any ARPG being cuhrayzee, because they typically take a different direction and prioritize different aspects compared to a pure action game. The things that make an action game deep or cuhrayzee are totally irrelevant to what makes an ARPG combat system "good" or even "good enough". I'm not seeing anything from FFXV that indicates the combat system is more than just flash, like KH.

>Please understand that I know what cuhrayzee is, and what it's most pure form should look like

Clearly you don't when I find the stuff I've seen from the 2D beat em up anons far more interesting than anything from FFXV.

>>122423537
>is it possible to do anything with an enemy who is staggered?
Yes. You can hit them again and this causes another stagger.

>can you otg them?
Yes. When an enemy is either staggered from small hits, or knocked onto the ground, it is possible to keep knocking them down. This depends on the enemy and attack though, and I'm not sure about staggering knocked down enemies. The robots respond really well to being hit, but the mammoth type enemies hardly react. There are also dog-type enemies that have stagger when hit with small hits but can still try to dodge out of your attacks. I think the game has multiple options to dash after them and continue attacking if you predict this. I haven't tested it yet because I just realized.

>Can you do any other kind of knockback?
I haven't carefully analyzed but as far as I can see now there are 2 types of stun, but the drain attack also has a different type I think. There is also the stop status effect, and the full game will likely have other stuff such as slow, haste, frozen, etc.

>>I've done both accidentally
>can you record footage of yourself doing them on purpose?
The back attack, definitely. The repeating attacks, not yet because I'm not sure what triggers it yet.

>i think you should also keep in mind that a game doesn't have to be cuhrayzee to be good. if cgg doesnt like your game, who cares? play it anyways.
I know, but cgg understands to what standards I hold the game. FFgeneral is too busy talking about the gay fanfic tier lore to pay attention to my ramblings about the combat.


>>122428485
>dmc1 is cuhrayzee
>arcade shmups and resident evil which dmc took inspiration from isn't
There's your answer.
Cuhrayzee is more of a spectrum than a yes or no thing.

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>>122433134
>I didn't have an attitude. You however seem pretty flustered when all I did was say you missed the point, like I expected you to.
kek.

>>122433134
>Clearly you don't when I find the stuff I've seen from the 2D beat em up anons far more interesting than anything from FFXV.
I am one of the 2d beat em up anons. I still need to get back to that.

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>Taking a break from cuhrayzee
>Check out humble bundle store
>See that the Legacy of Kain series is on sale for 5 bucks
>Remember playing the first one and a bit of the second one, didn't get very far.
>Buy it
>Starting with Soul Reaver 1

This is nice. Also it's weird because it feels like this game wanted to have a decent combat system.

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>>122433938
Ugh. the kain series are a clusterfuck game mechanics wise. Literally every game's gameplay is stolen from some other popular game.

blood omen was a zelda
soul reaver1 and 2 was a generic ps1 action game with target locking
defiance was a failed dmc clone with less variety (at least that's how I felt when I was 16 and not yet cuhrayzee)
Even that cancelled game from last year was a batman arkham rip off.

Luckily the voice acting and story are awesome as fuck. Hope you enjoy it man.

>>122434409
not him but
>gameplay is clusterfuck
>stuff that has nothing to do with gameplay is great
OK, better watch the cutscenes on youtube. Thanks

>>122434409
Well that's what happen when incompetent combat design devs attempt to do combat.

>>122433179
>you can hit them again and this causes another stagger
i mean like, can you do anything to them other than just making them stagger some more? can you launch them into the air?

>it is possible to keep knocking them down
guess i should have clairified. is it possible to pick them back up after a knockdown?

>2 types of stun
do they actually matter? in what ways are they different? does hitting them while they're in one do something different compared to hitting them in the other?

>status effects
i'm asking about knockback, not a status effect. in your nighttime webm, you only show people getting slammed down into the ground. is it possible to hit enemies in a way that makes them go away from you?

>>122433661
you should play sengoku 3, anon.

>>122433179
I've tried to record some stuff. Excuse the no webms, but converting ps4 recorded footage takes ages and I don't have the time.

The game has the "warp-dodge" on L1. You hold it and it dodges shit for you automatically, but this uses mp. The longer you hold it before an attack is dodged the more mp it uses, motivating you to press it the moment you are attacked. A timed press cancels any attack you're doing into the dodge. In this vid I did an attack and when looking at the footage I saw the attack still did damage.
https://youtu.be/1A1r30z3LK0


https://youtu.be/gxD_XEKnLB4
Short bro-op attack combo. This was just the AI doing it's thing. No QTEs or anything

https://youtu.be/30YIMZNdNg4
The greatsword attack at the end is normally triggered when you delay your button press during "ravage" which is the state you are in during your basic light attack combo. Similar to mashing light atk in MGR this is an infinite looping pattern. In this case I wasn't in a ravage state, and normally after an air attack you revert to "crush" state which is your initial combo starter from which you cannot do the delayed attack. Still it came out here and I'm not sure why.

https://youtu.be/Mvyygw7Hi9c
The spear you see is set as the attack combo's opening attack. It mostly does the same attack but here it doesn't. I assume this is a back, or turned attack. Also how the boss doesn't seem to be combo-able which is disappointing.

https://youtu.be/8qNN8wu5kcc
A basic combo using stun states.
1st attack makes enemy flinch
2nd and 3rd make the enemy stagger backward
4th knocks him back, and he's actually hit again during his knockback by the same attack, restarting his knockback animation.

https://youtu.be/PYIZ-ZhjSYI
A short fight with a mammoth who are generally unreponsive to attacks. He is afflicted with stop for a moment, and as the attacks pile up and the stop effect dissipates he is toppled over.

>>122435371
There's a dude on youtube who has all the cutscenes of the games. It's a good watch.

>>122435774
>i mean like, can you do anything to them other than just making them stagger some more? can you launch them into the air?
You meant an OTG bounce? I haven't seen any.
But in an interview it was stated that there will be a "launch" state which is part of the air combat.

>do they actually matter? in what ways are they different? does hitting them while they're in one do something different compared to hitting them in the other?
I'm not exactly sure what you mean but I don't think so. Can you give an example?

>i'm asking about knockback, not a status effect. in your nighttime webm, you only show people getting slammed down into the ground. is it possible to hit enemies in a way that makes them go away from you?
You mean a proper godhand launch? Some attacks might have such properties I guess but I'm not sure. It just depends on the final game.

>>122435789
I should maybe. It seemed very simple, and I really like having attack variety, so I'm not particularly motivated.

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>>122433661
>I am one of the 2d beat em up anons

Cool, doesn't make FF any better. Everything I'm reading sounds Transformers levels of basic, and it manages to look even less interesting.

>>122433179
>is it possible to do anything with an enemy who is staggered?
>Yes. You can hit them again and this causes another stagger.

pic related

>>122435906
Forgot this one.
https://youtu.be/hZum0PWanIo
Just some repeated knockbacks.

>>122437035
>>is it possible to do anything with an enemy who is staggered?
>>Yes. You can hit them again and this causes another stagger.
>pic related
How about being a bit more specific then bruh?

>>122435906
as long as its footage, it doesn't matter. man, noctis sounds weird

while the game looks much better than when the demo first came out, i'd still hold off on calling it cuhrayzee until after the game is released. the only really interesting thing was the delay attack after the air attack.

>dodge cancel
the attack dealing damage despite being cancelled with a dodge just shows that they didnt tie damage to when the sword connects, but rather when the sword starts a swing. cancelling an attack with a dodge isnt exactly special.

>different spear attacks
i want to assume you weren't holding any directions while attacking and that the different spear attacks are based on the position of the target relative to both noctis's position and where he is facing. but at about 0:14 he does what looks like one of those directional attacks, despite gladiolus(?) being right in front of him.

>>122436868
>example
an example would be hitting enemy in stun state 1 causes him to simply stagger backwards. however, hitting an enemy in stun state 2 causes him to go from being grounded to airborne, allowing him to be juggled (just an example, doesn't have to be in xv).

>>122437035
I guess it could be comparable to transformers. Transformers just feels so linear. It's like I'm constantly repeating the same attack string, launcher, air combo, JC air combo, car attack, shoot pattern.

Of course FFXV doesn't have the same type of combos. If you're one of those people who find juggling enemies while teleporting around them a requirement then I can understand why you're not interested. Although if we're lucky even that sort of stuff might be possible.

>>122333663
>and i'm still mad that dante doesn't have a proper moveset with yamato.
A fully Vegil doesn't make up for it? What do you want, Dante to have Vergil's moves? Honestly I wouldn't mind if they replaced that style on Dante and added in something else.

>>122438051
doppelganger/quicksilver/DMC1 devil trigger/spiral pierce

>>122233408
Nelo has totally different sword attacks and a different punch attack weapon set I believe. Still trying to beat DMD so I can get Super Corrupt Vergil to play around with it.

>>122437549
>the attack dealing damage despite being cancelled with a dodge just shows that they didnt tie damage to when the sword connects, but rather when the sword starts a swing. cancelling an attack with a dodge isnt exactly special.
I think it doesn't always happen. It only happened because I dodged after the hit connected. So when you think about It this motivates dodging as late as possible


>i want to assume you weren't holding any directions while attacking and that the different spear attacks are based on the position of the target relative to both noctis's position and where he is facing.
Correct

>but at about 0:14 he does what looks like one of those directional attacks, despite gladiolus(?) being right in front of him.
In the demo directional attacks can only be done during the "ravage" state. Which in that footage is the short sword. At one point you see noctis do a little twirl to the side. That is one of that weapon's directional attacks. Is it normally not possible to do directional attacks outside of ravage, but I've seen it happen. In this case the spear attacks you see aren't directional attacks since those look different.

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>>122438264
>spear attacks you see aren't directional attacks
then what the fuck are they??

>>122438051
I don't have SE yet.

And i don't know, he should have a unique moveset with yamato, he isn't vergil, his style isn't similar to vergil, why the only 3 moves that he has with yamato are copies of vergil moves?

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>>122438264
this is >>122438459 again, but
>directional attacks can only be done during the "ravage" state
>normally not possible to do directional attacks outside of ravage, but I've seen it happen

>>122438705
You're asking him about this stuff, when the final game will supposedly have live weapon switching, which throws all of these "You can/You can't" out the window.

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>>122438867
fuck, why are we even talking about the demo then? has /cgg/ really come to this??

i miss mwah

>>122437549
>an example would be hitting enemy in stun state 1 causes him to simply stagger backwards. however, hitting an enemy in stun state 2 causes him to go from being grounded to airborne, allowing him to be juggled (just an example, doesn't have to be in xv).
You mean like Lady's charged gunshots?
Stun states seem static as far as I've seen. But the bigger issue at hand for now is how hard it is to hit an enemy that is being knocked back. I'll concentrate on trying it.

>i'd still hold off on calling it cuhrayzee until after the game is released.
That's what I'm doing.

>>122437851
>If you're one of those people who find juggling enemies while teleporting around them a requirement then I can understand why you're not interested.

Haven't said anything of the sort, if anything I said the opposite. Anyway it seems like you really are serious, so now it's not even funny anymore. How the game turns out doesn't mean anything to me either way, but you're hoping for something highly unlikely.

>>122438459
I assume those back turned or side turned attacks.

>>122438705
I'm saying I've occasionally seen it happen. Meaning there is some way to do it that falls outside the normal use of the game's combo system. I've gotten the impression, (more like a "what if?") in some cases that when going between different attack states there is a few frames of transition where you enter another attack state.

>>122438867
Actually the main game will use the same attack states slots as the demo. The only difference will be that you can imagine all the slots being filled by the same weapon (the one you have equipped) and when you switch weapons it will fill all the slots with another weapon. Still, directional attacks are bound to the Ravage state, so if you're doing a vanquish attack (delayed button press during ravage state) which puts you in the Crush state you can't do a directional attack or another delayed attack after it. Normally. Because there are apparently exceptions that sometimes happen. This system will most likely stay intact in the final game. Which is cool, only if there are indeed ways to break this flow using frame perfect inputs or other state changing tricks.

>>122439759
>you're hoping for something highly unlikely.
I am aware of this.

Also can you please explain what you meant by this:
>>>is it possible to do anything with an enemy who is staggered?
>>Yes. You can hit them again and this causes another stagger.
>pic related

You're not being very specific about why you think it's boring either. Do tell.

>>122440152
do we know if there are going to be more than three weapons? or is it going to be hold LT to use weapon 2, RT to use weapon 3

>>122440492
not him but boring/interesting is subjective, he shouldn't have to explain that

just beat the game on Death March with a sign build. Wouldn't recommend it, felt like I was playing with a hand tied around my back the entire time. Also I'm pretty sure New Game + is buggy during the Caranthir fight. He kept one hit KOing me even with a Quen up, but even Eredin couldn't do that. I had to keep fighting Caranthir until he never landed a hit on me, which was a bitch. I'm pretty sure that's not normal, even on the hardest difficulty

>>122440725
>not him but boring/interesting is subjective, he shouldn't have to explain that
He doesn't, but I'd like to hear it.

>do we know if there are going to be more than three weapons? or is it going to be hold LT to use weapon 2, RT to use weapon 3
Kek.
There will be multiple weapon types. A few have been confirmed: guns, daggers, greatswords, short swords, spears. Each type will have their own moveset. Then within each weapon type you'll have variants with different stats and skills attached.
If we're lucky the moveset will vary between weapons within a type like dark souls might have a different R2 attack on some weapons, but I'm not expecting it.

>>122440492
>Also can you please explain what you meant by this

I thought the meaning was pretty clear.


>You're not being very specific about why you think it's boring either.

If you don't get it now, nothing else I say will change that. I've pointed out at least twice now what I find to be lacking. Nothing I'm seeing or reading about the game is out of line with what I originally said.

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>>122375805
>What's with people constantly calling DMC4 unfinished?
>We know it's unfinished. There's no reason to continuously say it in everything you post.

>>122441027
wrong general
>Death March with a sign build
I actually did that on my very first blind playthrough of that game. Seriously, fuck that difficulty, I doubt doing a swordsman or whatever the fuck it was called build would make shit better.

>>122439054
>i miss mwah
he's dead and gone, or outta half decent fan-art

>>122438051
I want Dante to use Yamato as a fully fleshed weapon, it's gimmick will be that it does no damage unless you sheathe the blade (lock on+back+melee)

I can beat bosses without taking any damage. I can S-rank most missions.

But if there's one thing I can't do after even 150 hours of playing Devil May Cry 3, it's getting the platforming down and precise to a science.

Why did Itsuno insist on having platforming elements in this game? I really hope Devil May Cry 5 gets rid of all platforming altogether. I hate how sloppy it is compared to the combat.

I hope NieR Automata and other upcoming cuhrayzee games just get rid of all of its platforming elements.

>>122435506
>Well that's what happen when incompetent combat design devs attempt to do combat.

Can western developers ever make a game with a good combat system?

I can't name any. All of the ones made by non-Japanese folks are trash.

Similarly, I can't name any western action game with good and challenging boss fights.

>>122449571
I'm gonna be the asshole and say that, all of the platforming sections in DMC1/3/4 if I recall correctly are fairly easy.
In DMC1, apart for Griffon (I just go DT and shoot him in most cases), and acquiring the Nightmare-b gun, most of them were fairly easy. You can even get Ifrit in one-go by just remembering that you walk off of platforms from just walking
In DMC3, it's just that one room with spinning cubes that requires platforming and apart for camera fuck-ups, it's easy.
Even in DMC4, most of the platforming is focused on Nero's missions and all of them either expect you to time Snatch correctly, which is piss-easy, or the focus is on dealing other enemies and even then there is the option to deal the enemies first although it wastes time (the dreaded invisible bridge).
That being said, all of the games would've benefited from not having them at all. They barely teach anything to the player and has nothing to do with the core-gameplay