/tog/ - Tales of General

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I am angry.

>>121521280
What needs to be in the OP, then? Link to a list of all the games, links to places you can download english patches for jap only games? Probably need more.

Also this
>When is PS3 Vesperia coming to Ameriland?
Never.

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>>121521469
Don't be angry Kittybeard, you have a lewd loli willing to do anything for you.

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>>121521803
Still angry but I guess that works.

posted before realizing there was fresh bread

>>121518536
Yeah, I agree. I still think he probably had a huge breakdown after it was all over, probably as soon as he was alone.

me too but i'm already writing a bunch of other garbage

>>121519275
He shows up at the very end and you can't use him in either of the shitty dungeons. He was offscreen the whole time sealing the new entrance into Camlann to keep malevolence away from Sorey.

>not enjoying zestiria
>order xillia
>already having fun

did they just forget that: good camera angles = good game experience

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>>121522163
>already writing a bunch of other garbage

nice

>>121522697
Have fun not combo bosses and only playing as Jude or Milla.

>>121523057
so you mean its zestiria without shit camera

sounds good

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What's your favourite kamui design?

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>>121523057
>only playing as Jude or Milla
I don't follow.

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>>121522163
Poor Weebo. Goddammit.

>>121523518
All the other character in Xilla lack artes and link artes are the only way to do damage.

>>121523224
Yea and even more lazy.

>>121523512
Is there a place to see all of them like in your pic?

also wow that is some magical girl shit, why am i only just now realizing this.

I was kinda annoyed Edna kept mocking Meebo about crying because once a girl does that there's no way a guy can show emotion

I'm at the part where I need to find Mayvin.

How much more of Zestiria do I have to go through?

>>121523958
Not much. Lots of running around though.

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>>121523848
Found Zesty guidance book scans here http://neylakiiroisenkou.tumblr.com/tagged/scan

>>121523958
almost there

>>121523925
I think in her own way she was trying to tell him it was okay if he wanted to cry. But it's Edna, so it came across as bitchy.

So I'm about to do a new game + but haven't done Alisha's thing yet. How do I go about it? I import into Alisha's DLC, then import that into the new game?

>>121524431
Yeah, I didn't think she was full on mocking him at that point anymore.

I was actually wondering if it was coincidence that I didn't once here her pull the "Here Mikleo, I make this for you~" when ruining food after that point.

>>121521782
>"I want PS3 Vesperia!"
>Vanilla Vesperia actually has more content than most tales games and while the PS3 version adds a few nice additions, it also runs a little bit worse and has a lower resolution
>However if you still want to import it, a text walkthrough can be found here --insert link-- or a guide to applying the english patch --here--

What about that?

>>121523807
>All the other character in Xilla lack artes and link artes are the only way to do damage.
And I had no problem whatsoever playing any of the other characters and dishing out damage.

>>121525174
Sure! I'm not in importfag and I have no patience to read off a text walkthough, but it would be a handy resource.

Maybe include that tumblr with the scans too? Mostly it would be just links to emulating the older games and english patches, I guess.

>>121525739
The non main characters were far more developed combat wise and linked artes were way less necessary to xillia than kamui in zesty. I honestly don't know what that guy is even talking about.

What dlc should I get for Xillia and Xillia 2?

>>121526056
Yeah, I played the entire thing 2P and ended up as Leia for most of it, the only one we didn't play as much was Elize.

>>121526515
if it's free then just get everything

if you have to pay for it then get nothing

>>121526056
>Far more developed
Please most of the cast were link slaves if your name wasn't Milla, Jude, Alvin. You could play as someone out of those three but you were gimping yourself, like with Xilla 2 Ludger.

>>121527218
But Rowen and Gaius are absurdly broken.

>>121527218
What is playing games for fun?

>>121521280
>All this art of the party all together
>They never are together in the game

Hell Dezel never meets Alisha period

>>121527665
Let them be happy anon. Lord knows they wont be all together in the game.

>>121527665
Oh wait, I forgot, Dezel does meet her when going back to the water temple. But it's pretty much fucking nothing.

>>121527578
Yea, majority of the cast is broken but Ludger was always available which makes him better and he's the one who can truly exploit the weakness system.

>>121528064
While Dezel did meet Alisha, Alisha never met Dezel.

>>121527891
R.I.P Miyu Matsuki

Missing a discovery in the Water trial ruins and if it weren't for the nice music I'd be tearing out my hair...

>>121528780
There's a broken eye statue in that one room where the ENTIRE FUCKING FLOOR is covered in 'there's an eye pointing this way' tiles.

>>121529041
Bamco likes for us to suffer

>>121529041
...every fucking guide I looked at said central cavern. Fuck me.

>>121529012
"Hot."

>>121529350
Here, google translate this page since my description was shit. It has a map.

http://dswiipspwikips3.jp/tales_of_zestiria/map_rufei.html

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>>121529634
Oh jeez, thank you so much.

>learn calamity flare

wow

this is the most bullshit spell arte ive seen in a tales in awhile

What's a good party in Tales of Hearts R?

I like having Kohaku, Hisui, and Beryl in the party with my playable character being Ines. Is Shingaling better overall?

I've just always been a fan of one melee fighter and three mages.

what the fuck does advanced divinity on the grade shop even do

>>121534706
I believe it stacks bonus effects when armatized. If you have some ridiculous stack bonus and your partner does too, you get both.

why did mayvin have to be a boss

this seems completely unnecessary

>>121534706
Having tested, what it seems to do is add skill tables together. If you have two characters with stacks of 8 mynd, when you armatize you appear to get unlimited combos as if you had 16.

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Didn't the beginning of this game say there hasn't been a Shepard in centuries but really there was a Shepard about 16 years ago?

>>121539330
The Celestial Record said 200 years. Because the most recent Shepherd was the person writing it, and he gave it up.

Couple questions.

1. When can I fight Ednas brother for real?

2. Where is the EX dungeon?

3. Is there anything else I should do before going to Camlann?

>>121539330
Sorey and Mikleo thought so because they're going by a book, which didn't count the most recent Shepherd, its author and Mikleo's uncle.

>>121524286
thanks

>>121539646
1. When you're supposed to go back to Elysia. Sleep at an inn, you'll get a skit about it. When you talk to Rose and one of the options is 'I know what to do about Edna' then you're good to go. If you're on your way to Camlann you should be able to do it now.
2. After beating the game and reloading your clear data, go up the stairs. Before the room leading to the final boss, there's a portal that'll take you there.
3. If your quest log (Rose) is clear then you're good to go. Though if I remember right, you can't actually go past Lastonbell until you at least go to Elysia. Anything that might have been missable has already been missed at this point.

>>121540759
slept at an inn about 6 times, no skit. town specific?

>>121540759
And the non-missable things will just reopen once you beat the game anyway.

>>121541432
Maybe? I think I got it in Marlind. I took care of Eizen before going to Elysia for the last time, since it was on the way.

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Jesus Christ Zaveid is getting desperate for someone, anyone, to fuck each other, even if it's not him

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>>121543539
>tfw thousand-year-old slut surrounded by determined virgins

>>121539737
>>121539553
Why didn't anyone tell them about Micheal?

Someone must have known about him

>>121543827
Zaveid has a hard life. Surrounded by nerds, an old spinster, a lesbian murderess and his old pal's little sister who he probably promised never to touch.

>>121543539
I wish the game tried to ship him with Lialah. Would have been interesting.

>>121543868
They grew up in Elysia, surrounded by people (well, seraphim) who knew about Michael and Muse and Camlann, but thought it'd be too painful of a story for them to know.

As for the humans they meet, well, Sorey and company don't actually get along too well with humans they meet, so... We don't actually know how successful of a shepherd Michael was so maybe he simply wasn't that memorable. He clearly wasn't that great at it, because Gramps really didn't seem that surprised that he 'fell'.

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>>121544437
Yeah that sounds about right. Maybe in 3000 years he'll go for Edna.

>>121544228
Agreed. That post-battle scene where Lailah keeps ducking away from his arm is cute.

>>121544704
I ship it, too. There's also a cute one where she offers to tell his fortune.

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This game is advanced internal suffering

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>>121544228
They got some stuff like their after battle convos and the one scene where he calls her everyone's mom. Also, the skit you get after meeting Zavied makes it sound like Lailah already knew him.

>>121544809
Zaveid are you asking me out?

>>121543868
Micheal probably lived in a era with no lord of calamity. Which means most of his exploits were probably just purifying Hellions. Also, most people probably don't want to remember a Shepherd that gave birth to a dark era.

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>>121543827
He's only a slut on the outside

>>121544902
I also like the part where you first meet him, and after he leaves she gets super mad because he was half naked. probably mad because she had lewd thoughts.

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>>121544228
Zavied x Edna is where it's at, anon

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>>121544903
I really can't tell if she's hopeful or scared when she asks that.

>>121544867
Zestiria is basically Mikleo Suffering: The Game.

>>121544923
>>121544394
But unless the celestial record is just bullshit Micheal was the first Shepard in 200 years. And we see him travelling with Lailah, he must have done something notable.

I don't think they even address the discrepancy

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who designed this games battle engine

where the fuck am i

what was wrong with every other tales games arena

why did they think this was a good idea

>>121545385
Well, he did do SOMETHING notable. He moved Maotelus from where he was enshrined in Pendrago to the shrine in Camlann. Presumably, he did this because of the growing malevolence in Pendrago/the church, which he saw as a threat to Maotelus. But he never told any of the humans he moved Maotelus, which is what led to Rolance/Heldalf occupying Camlann and Maotelus becoming corrupted.

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Who are they from left to right?

>>121545462
Stop hugging the walls, senpai.

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Would you fuck Mikleos mom?

>>121545662
Slut, slut, used to be pure but got corrupted, Slut

>>121545662
Play the game anon

>>121545829
Well, I was looking more for names. I haven't actually seen iM@S but friends want to know.

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>>121545775
No I'd rather fuck him.

>>121545639
Which basically means he fucked up royally and cause everyone's current problems.

>>121545662
Yayoi
Haruka
Chihaya
Miki

>>121546085
Seriously, the fucked up state of Zesty's world is at least 75% Michael's fault. Heldalf being an asshole was just the tipping point that drove Michael off the crazy cliff.

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>>121546143
Thanks anon

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>>121545775
Can someone explain why she's still alive here?

>>121545662
I wish they had used the traditional outfits instead. These copy&paste ones are just so damn boring.

>>121545385
It's not a discrepency. Micheal WROTE the Celestial Record. Before him, there hadn't been a Shepherd in 200 years.

As for doing something notable, he did, it's just that it wasn't known by many. And the fact that he CAUSED the next Age of Chaos would not really cause people to remember him fondly.

This is the first Tales game where I'm about to beat the game and I don't understand the plot.

>>121546462
theory time: She made an Oath, one of the big deal oaths like Lailah took that gave her purification powers. The oath let her seal off Camlann but trapped her in some out of time limbo. But Heldalf's domain > the power of her oath, so the seal broke and spit her back out.

could be wrong. maybe they explain it better in moon or supplementary material.

>>121546556
To be fair, the DLC is the cheapest and it comes with neat things like 4 BGMs and stuff. It would be nice to have better actual costumes though.

>Pick Maxwell
>run around in the same hallway 4 times
>little girl about to kill some twat


guess i should have picked him instead right

Can we all agree Fury Sparks is the best tales battle theme?

>>121546639
So the celestial record is only 16-20 years old?

The book is so widespread that both Alisha and Sorey know it by heart. Why wouldn't anyone know Micheal from the book alone? It's frustrating that no one says anything about this.

>>121547423
A major portion of the plot doesn't make sense if you start with Milla. She's not very interesting anyway

>>121546639
>>121547654

Why is Micheal writing the celestial record?

That's supposed to be the storytellers job.

He can't be the storyteller AND the Shepard.

>>121547654
Why would you want anyone to remember that worthless loser? Its like I'm watching Asbel all over again but this time he suffer for his mistakes.

>>121547808
It's never said anywhere that the Storyteller's job is to write the Celestial Record. The storyteller did make all the monoliths you find in the game though

>>121547654
Because he's dead and died in a bad way.

Look, don't think of the Celestial Record as some kind of ancient text. It's just one man's recordings of stuff he saw around the continent written about twenty years ago. He traveled with Lailah, retired from being the Shepherd, founded a new town, wrote the book there, and then things went to shit.

>>121547710
so why is it even an option

>>121547808
>That's supposed to be the storytellers job.

....no it's not, it never says this anywhere. It's literally just a book about his travels. It wasn't part of a job, he just wanted to write a book.

The same way his nephew was thinking of writing a book of his travels. He might have been soured on the idea by now.

>entire game would have been over in 10 seconds if lailah just told sorey what to do

>but the oath

>mikleo could have just made a new oath to do the rain of purification

>>121547958
Because it's better to give people an option than force you to play the game twice?

But yes Jude first makes more sense.

>>121547958
Beats me. I think they were attempting the multiple route-thing but messed up royally, in the end you get Jude's 80% complete story with Milla filling in a few holes

>>121548102
>nephew

>>121548102
>spoiler

...damn, I hadn't thought about that. Mikleo really had a hard life.

>>121548108
Breaking her oath really could have killed her. Also, Sorey being told his answer wouldn't have been the same as him arriving to it himself.

>>121548335
That whole 'his wife' thing was a translation error, it was supposed to be 'family member'.

>>121548108
If she could explain it, she would lose the power to purify to begin with.

So do Seraphim spy on people since normal people cant see them?

Like Dezel for instance. We know he used Roses body. Do you think he ever used her body and felt herself up?

Or like spied on her in the bath or using the bathroom or something?

So in ToZ, you get new artes depending on how high your stats are?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dvgrw705ag

is there a way to fix ToZ game?

>>121548579
There are skits that imply he used her body to bake cookies

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Why is Edna so deep?

>>121547592
I kept Hubert in the Flynn outfit for this reason.

>>121548627
Artes are based off levels and titles. Mostly levels though.

>>121548627
Sort of. They have invisible numerical requirements. Titles affect the numbers on level up. Stronger titles seem to have more effect if NG+ is anything to go by. With gold titles equipped I had all artes on most characters by the low 30s.

Did they accidentally give the tragic mc backstory to Mikleo instead of Sorey? Like the entire plot revolves around Mikleo's family and Heldaf but Sorey is just a random kid gramps found and decided to make Shepard
If Michael was Sorey's dad he'd have the "sins of the father" to rectify etc. As it stands they didn't give all that stuff enough attention at all, especially Mikleo's thoughts

>>121549303
Because he's the heroine.

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>>121548708
I don't know if to laugh or fap

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>zestiria bombs in japan
>will live my life without tons of edna porn

its just not fair

tfw you realize mikleo has 6 belts strapped around his midsection

>>121549517
>Mikleo is the closest the game has to a heroine
>still doesn't have a breakdown from the weight of all his tragic backstory so Sorey can hug it better

god damnit. not even a pat on the back. no breakdown at all. I wanted to see him cry.

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>>121549303
The MC isn't always the saddest character in the game though? I mean, Even in the games where the MC has a childhood friend who went through the same shit the childhood friend usually suffers more. Loni lives with his guilt, while Kyle repressed the memory. Lloyd has a sad backstory, but it's piddling compared to Colette and Genis. What did Veigue go through, freezing his girlfriend? Stahn has dead parents, yeah, but it wasn't a traumatic event and he's in the same game as Leon. Jude only goes through shit during the game, not before. Tales MCs don't tend to have big dramatic backstories about how sad they are, that's reserved for side characters.

>>121549753
Tickle protection.

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>>121550306
>Jude
>your dad will never love you enough to let you run off with someone he knows is a sexy terrorist

>>121550306
I feel like in this game with emphasis on the past and how it affects the future it could be interesting for Sorey's dad to have been a fuck up Shepard like Michael

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>yfw you realize meebo was technically sorey's first human friend

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>>121550315

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>just met him
>using TWO hands
Is she in heat?

>>121550809
Mikleo had already been sacrificed by the time Sorey's mother accidentally shot him out.

>>121550306
Lloyd grew up with a caring adoptive father. Zelos grew up with a father who slept around and a mother whose last words as she was murdered in front of him were that he should never have been born, after which his only remaining family was locked away. Presea's mother died, her father got sick, her sister moved away to make more money (only to get killed) and then Presea became a zombie slave for over fifteen years, ignorant of her father wasting away in front of her. Regal had to kill his lover. Kratos had to kill his wife. Colette grew up isolated thinking her only purpose was to die. Raine and Genis lived constantly on the run after their father died and their mother went crazy.

>>121551121
No, but she is certainly fucking stupid.

Sergei is too pure for this world.

So, didn't expect to have to fight Rose and Zaveid. Took him out no problem, got Rose down to under 400 HP, got a Mystic Arte to the face and died.

Frustraaaaatiooonnnnnnnnn.

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Alishaboo

If a lot of seraphim move into a city will the people gain resonance in a couple years like Sorey?

>>121551804
It'll probably happen naturally after the end of the game.

>>121551306
That was the exact point I was trying to make. The side characters always have the sadder backstories, not the MC.

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>>121551121
She just wants to make Sorey jealous.

Has Radiant Mythology 3 been translated?

>>121552291
Maybe Alisha can just spot a good husbando when she sees one. At least Sergei doesn't have a Mikleo.

>>121552291
It did not work but she got into Sergei's pantsu at least

>>121551493
I ended up using an all divide for that battle, its annoying as fuck

>>121554653
I got 'em, just took Mr. Piccolo's advice and learned to DODGE.

Do you think they planned Zestiria to be full of such a large amount of sorrow and suffering from the beginning or did it just end up that way due to cuts/rushing and they didn't go back through and tweak it?

>>121557672
Honestly, all you have to do is look at how all the sidequests in the game play out to see Zestiria was always going to be a SUFFERING game. You can't blame all the dead kids on story cuts.

>>121557672
no, everything is just a mess. i hope baba suffers like the story and dies miserably

>>121558019
Ugh, that one bit in the ruins when you come up, I said to my husband, "Oh look, dead kids!" because I thought they were actually asleep. And he'd already been creeped out by the train at the start of Xillia 2...

>>121558204
Your Husband sounds adorable I hope you keep him
and enough about that

>>121558204
>my husband

Are u a grill?

>>121558204
there are a hell of a lot more dead kids where those come from

Speaking of which, someone needs to do a dead kid counter for Zestiria. Maybe I'll keep count on NG+.

>>121558407
Oh, I know. Coming up on the end now.

Surprised that Mikleo isn't, and still sorta wish, he was a bit more of a mess by now. They sure piled it on.

>>121558689
yeah, wish they'd shown him breaking on screen because you just know it had to be explosive when it did happen.

>>121558689

I don't know what to blame that on, they throw so much at him and kinda sorta touch on it here and there but never actually show you anything. He does tend to get a little jealous whenever Sorey is dealing with one of the girls so maybe that would have been an element on the two route system, you'd have to juggle two people with emotions going every which way.

Muse popping in at the end felt a casualty of the rush job, they didn't put in any of the content leading up to that moment for it to make sense or be super emotional. I'm a little surprised Sorey never brings up his mother either, no fucks given on his part.

>>121557672
There's a lot of stuff that feels like it was cut for time. Edna's quest for example feels like there should have been way more to it, but you pretty much just go back and kill him.

I mean, the beginning of the game there are some neat little things, like the dog chasing lunarre dying if you take too long, the choice of selling the spear or pipe to get enough money to bribe the guard, and choosing whether to fix the bridge or not. Those neat choices vanish pretty quickly.

>>121559050

Lailah explains to you how the journey of the shepherd isn't going to be easy because of how humans will view him, they give you the bridge scene and the dinner with Bartlow then drop the idea completely for the rest of the game. I was expecting to have to deal with that the whole way, making choices and feeling the joy of people praising or the sadness of being treated like a monster.

It would have made a place like Lohgrin stand out a bit more too.

>>121550315

Kind of has the opposite effect.

>>121559414
I found it disappointing that there was never a moment like the dinner with Bartlow for the Rolance side. You always have Sergei on your side in Rolance, apparently doing a better job of covering for Sorey than Alisha could. There's that bit with the Cardinal that gets potentially messy, but Sorey never gets called before the emperor or his advisors or anything. Shit, Rolance never even calls him out on helping Hyland in the initial skirmish of the war. Sorey and Sergei just beat each other up, become bros, and that's that.

Speaking of dropped plots, what the hell ever happened with that fake Shepherd asshole? The Rolance guy who went around taking credit for Sorey's good deeds and who threatened Slenge? He just disappears after that.

>>121559414
On the other hand, I appreciated that the normal humans don't do anything to cross you once you nuke the army. The whole 'antagonize the demigod' thing has always been stupid.

>>121559414
>they give you the bridge scene and the dinner with Bartlow then drop the idea completely for the rest of the game.

Well, that's not entirely accurate. I loved the scene on the battlefield when the soldiers just see one person marching towards them and then they get tossed in the air like popcorn. Someone tries to stab him in the back and gets smacked aside. A whole hail of arrows is deflected and even the people Sorey has come to save are unnerved. That was great.

>>121560702

That moment was great but the general public through the rest of the game has no reaction to you, the only look you get is via gossip quotes from npcs. With some more work they could have really played up the "why are you fighting for these people" idea.

Dead.

>>121566590

Berseria news when?

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>>121567373
Some time soon, we can only hope.

>>121567373
Who knows, apparently it was "20% in development" around the time it was announced.

>>121569024
So another 30% until they call it done and rush it out right?

>>121569172
So twice as done as Zestiria?

I'm already excited.

>>121569430

The rest of the development cycle will be used for DLC outfits. Then they will quickly get to work on the next Tales game for their 25th anniversary.

>>121569626
The best part is the 25th anniversary title will require a new engine built from the ground up targeted at the then 7 year old PS4, but unfortunately the workload will be higher than expected meaning yet another anniversary title rushed out the door in an incomplete state.

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>>121569430

Did the Phoenix fight. Dat voice...

>>121571082
It's like Nibbler from Futurama.

I just got Mikleo's armatization but I didn't hear his true name. Did I accidentally skip it or was that on purpose?

>>121571543

On purpose to go with the rest of the scene, you'll hear it if you armatize with him like everyone else from there on out though.

>>121572048
Yeah I heard it after I armatized again but I wanted to make sure. I've accidentally skipped over bits before.

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>>121558789
He said he's fine guise

>>121561575
To be fair, not many common folk even know what Sorey looks like judging by NPC dialogue.

>>121550315
Are there any tickle skits?

>>121559050
Symonne's story as well. She had some deep seated issues. I wonder if the anime adaption will delve into the character stories more. The manga already does.

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So, why did the story of this game change midway through?

>>121557672
What is the most depressing tales games overall? Xillia 2?

>>121574773
Xillia 2 is more depressing overall, I think, but depending on the way you look at it I think Zestiria actually gives Xillia 2 a run for its money.

Abyss is pretty sad, too.

>>121574773
Yup.
Cuz no matter what you do Ludger still suffers.

>>121574024
What's wrong with that line?

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>never played tales before
>got hands on xillia
>mfw 4 party members battle

Just finished the game. People bitch too much about the game. Quite a bit of unexplained things herre and there. Still a very exciting adventure. Last boss was hype as fuck.

>all of Xillia costume DLC is singles instead of group costume dlc

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tfw you order Xillia 1 and 2 online for a disc version only to find out that its on psn downloadable for cheaper

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>>121576205

>tfw debating whether or not to buy a console just to play them

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>rising up

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>still in the tutorial for xillia
>combat is already better and more thought out than zestiria

did they even try for zestiria?

>>121559046
I have to ask, what's this two route system you're talking about ? Was it confirmed that Zestiria was planned to have this system or is it just speculation ?
Would it have been a Rose/Alisha choice, or maybe Rose/Mikleo ?

>>121579246

I'm not sure if they ever officially said anything about it but the idea does seem to be supported by looking at a lot of the broken ends in Zestiria. You have a lot of content geared towards eithe Alisha or Rose that ends up not making sense, as if they had to suddenly merge two separate ideas into one.

I didn't buy into it entirely until I got to Maltran later in the game, that there sold me on the idea that they did have separate routes for each girl and that Maltran was going to be far more important to the story on Alisha's side. Hell they have her in the opening and a decent amount of official artwork and yet she is completely pointless to the games story and only really appears for a few minutes.

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Who is your favorite Tales girl?

I didn't like Graces that much. But Pascal best girl forever and always.

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>>121579708

Design wise Tear hit all the right spots for me, but there was just something about Natalia that sold me on her.

>>121579689
It would have been nice to learn more about her. How did she REALLY feel about Alisha? And how did she become a hellion? Why work for Heldalf? What happened in that story you hear about her own men turning against her on a battlefield? But nope we never really learn shit. And she never does anything with Asura's weapon at all.

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>>121579689
That makes sense. Thanks Anon.

That might also explain Alisha's DLC Mystic Arte. I still can't believe this MA was given to someone who's barely in the party. It would make more sense if it was announced at a time where she was still planned to be somewhat relevant.

I want to see Edna with Lailah's swimsuit body, can be possible?

>>121579708
Tear

>>121579818
I like Natalia but I just can't get over some of the bitchy stuff she says while Luke is unconscious.

>>121580970

Don't forget the most obvious one, stores sell Alisha's gear throughout the entire game.

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>>121579708
Design wise Natalia and Leia are my favorites.

Overall I like Judith the most.

>>121583432
She doesn't get any new weapons until aroudn the point where she rejoins, though. The stores are random.

I still think it's pretty clear Alisha was more important at some point.

>>121579818
> Natalia holding a spatula

You're fucked.

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>>121584451
Would you eat her cooking?

Hey, what's happen if you defeat Heldalf before final fight?

>>121584824
You get a bad ending

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>>121584641
You bet I would

>>121584824
Bad ending, you can find it on youtube if you want.

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>dat jelly Meebo

Finally beat the game, I'd say 6/7 out of 10. Was enjoyable but the story and dialogue just become completely nonsensical after a certain point and the battle camera is just shit.

>>121584846
>>121585350
Bat ending why? I see a shadow but i don't understand

>>121585421
I think it's supposed to be Maotelus erupting out of the ground in dragon form

Guys, where i can see the Tales of Zestiria PS4 trophy list?

>>121585421

The idea behind it is a bit of a spoiler if you haven't beaten the game yet. It's mostly signifying that you didn't know the full story yet and you dun fucked up kid.

>>121585350
Best waifu, keeping an eye on the treacherous human girl who came to steal his husbando.

actual reply: Zestiria could have been so great if they'd had more time. Probably not the battle camera, though, I think that would have always been shit. But they could have fixed some of the plot issues and maybe split the game into Rose/Alisha routes.

>>121585748
just look for the ps3 one

So, I'm playing ToZ and really trying to like it, because I'm a huge Tales fan, even played all the Japan-only ones.

The skill system is fucking killing this game for me. Like, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like fusion is extremely important in developing your characters, and you have very little control over what skills get transferred or combined into other skills seemingly arbitrarily. Am I just doing it wrong, or is it really, really fucking hard to fuse gear with skills you actually need on it?

Shit sucks because I keep finding gear and never wanting to use it because it fucks up my skills.

Honestly kinda thinking of just saying fuck it and playing Disgaea 5 instead.

Is there a 100% guide anywhere?

>>121587329
You don't really need all the good skills to play the game, just fuse and and stack or line up whatever it is available to you.
Although i do admit that not having the "good" skills triggers one's autism.
And besides, you won't get a very good skill set in your first playthrough anyway, unless you took the time to grind them.

>>121583432
That's not how stores work.

>>121587524
It just bothers me that I get a new sword that's much better than the one I have, then I equip it, and my stats fucking plummet because I lose a bunch of skills.

I wish they at least had it like in Destiny 2 where you could choose one slot to carry over when you fused equipment, or had Normin that you've found sell you their skill as a slot instead of just initially giving it to you once when you find them, which is unlikely to be useful.

Just seems very poorly designed. You're supposed to fuse equipment to advance your character, but doing so fucks with your skills, which is the other big system they tried to emphasize. It's like that have two major systems that you're supposed to use to advance your characters and making use of one fucks with the other. It's very silly.

>>121587504
for Tales of Zestiria I mean.

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>group scene before the final battle
>this is pretty good but not the best
>Sorey puts on Dezels hat

why

why did they do this

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>>121588891
I liked all of those scenes.

Gave me delicious edna butt.

>>121587329
I hated the skill system so much I just said fuck it and played the game on the lower difficulty settings. I liked the characters and the story okay, but the combat was unfun.

>>121589580
I really might just do that, myself. I really want to finish the game, but fuck the skill system.

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i dont think i can do this

>>121589959
Just do it, he's been gone since he became a dragon and until he's gone for good, she's never going to be able to move on with her life.

>>121588114
Actually there's a boon where you set a Normin for that region and most of your drops would have that Normin's skill.

>>121587875
That is exactly how jrpg stores work. How many umbrellas are for sale in the city of water?

>>121590709
>i don't know what i'm talking about
This isn't hidden information, anon.

>>121590709
>>121583432
you do know stores have random stock in this game right

>>121590709
Mine is currently selling Edna accessories.

>>121590709
>>121591474
>>121591528
Don't stores start selling things you've sold to them?

>>121591653
You can manipulate their inventories, yes.

>>121590863
>>121591653
>>121591528
>>121591474
Not by default, you have to sell to get thosse to start populating. Alicia's stuff is on every shop's list even if you never sell anything.

>>121592275
Alishas items are only sold by default at Westronbolt Gorge and in Hyland areas around when she rejoins you for the Maltran fight near the end of the game.

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>>121589959

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Can we post Zesty reaction images pls

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>>121594092

>>121592407

They are on all the stores randomly, even weirder is they have items for her that are at levels she will never attain in the game.

lets all take a minute to remember chester the best tales character

>>121594548
>set difficulty to chaos
>get late-game drops in early areas
Equipment is totally divorced from plot in this game.

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>>121594092

>>121594647

I remember him for joining at stupid low levels and in the SNES version dealing sick damage despite having no artes

That spinny-mist thing really does get the job done.

>>121595060

I'm sure they spent endless hours creating gear for Alisha to use just incase some maniac decided to farm for weeks in the starting areas with her. Even still that wouldn't explain why they would have shops selling her gear throughout the game, shes not going to need a level 40 spear from pendrago when she rejoins later on at level 60.

It's clear she was meant to be around more in some fashion and they just didn't go back and clean things up when they changed it.

>>121587329
You don't need good skills. I beat the game on hard, beat the ex-dungeon, and beat Alisha's DLC without looking at skills a single time. I just used whatever weapon gave me the best stats and fused items to improve base stats

>>121596258
>people just explain why you still see her generic gear in shops
>choose to ignore it in favor of your conspiracy theory

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>>121587329
Its not random. when fusing always compare the same slots (each of the 4 entries) on each piece of equipment.

If the two pieces of equipment have the same skill in the same slot, that skill stays the same in the new piece.
If one has an empty slot, the other equipment's skill will just fill in that empty slot.
If they have 2 different skills, they will merge to create a "locked" skill (blue text), which does not count as a real skill. This locked skill can be treated one of two ways: If you like the skill, you can equip the item and use it in battle. After some time the locked skill will become unlocked and be a normal skill. Otherwise, if you don't like the locked skill, you can fuse another piece of equipment onto it, in which case the locked skill is treated as an empty slot.

>>121596493

It has no reason existing in the first place, that's the point you're leaping past. Even still it's just one observation in a whole pile of them that don't add up.

>>121596912
>my opinion is a fact
uh huh

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I finally got my 10 in a row. Don't think this bonus skill is worth it. Its probably better to stack multiples of the same skill.

am i the only one that felt zestiria was a chore by the end?

i never felt this way for any tales but this game

im at the final dungeon and i just dont want to play anymore

>>121590378
I know, but A. getting the exact piece of equipment you need takes a ton of grinding, and B. keeping that skill you need once you start fusing is a pain in the ass.

I wish you could just put a skill from a Normin you have directly on an item, maybe in exchange for grade or something.

>>121596858
It would be nice if they explained that in-game somewhere. It's still needlessly complicated and annoying, though.

>>121597215
I don't even get why they'd put a reflect damage skill when every boss practically OHKOs you.

>>121597752
They do. With skits.

Rest at some inns.

>>121597752
I learned it from sleeping at the inn a bunch of times after you get Rose in your party.

>>121597909
I have quite a few times. Haven't seen that one yet.

>>121597215
The thing that bugs me about the bonus skills is that many of the ones that are really hard to get are still mostly junk. Combo limit removal, cast time reduction and maybe half cost are so powerful everything else is hardly worth bothering with.

>>121597215

I remember someone posting 9 in a row before and it looked pretty good.

>>121598078
>Combo limit removal

how do I get this

>>121597997
You must not have played the game very long then, because they start hitting you with those skits before Alisha even leaves the party and there are a bunch of them clustered together.

>>121598503
16+ of the same skill. In NG+ you can make multipliers count.

>>121598971
fuck that

>>121599036
You can also do it in ng+ with advanced divinity by armatizing with two characters who can add a single skill up to 16+. Otherwise you can increase your combo limit with individual stacks of four or five, I think, which is much easier.

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>>121594092

I have a question about Sorey from Tales of Zestiria. Why on the beginning of the game he has headhaches but after not?

>>121597997
They only appear in the inn in Marlind.

>>121599984
Because of Alishacancer.

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thanks baba

>>121599984
If you actually payed attention to the story, he's compensating for Alisha's lack of resonance, which is making him blind.

>>121552587
SergeiAlisha sounds pretty cute.

rising up is a trash song

this is not metal gear solid

>>121589959
this game is full of suffering anon

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>>121579708
Tear is best Tales girl as far as I'm concerned.

>>121579708
Musee

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>>121601158
yeah but we don't even get anything out of this

she's just sad

and we keep going

nothing changes

"wow she said thanks and is vaguely happy"

but sorey had to break a promise

sure everyone said a dragon is a dragon permanently

but people also said the last shepherd was 200 years ago

people also said only the shepherd can use armatization

people also had no idea a gun like the one zaveid has existed

to say there is no way to purify the dragon is silly in this game

because nobody knows anything absolutely in this game

the entire point of this entire game is that nobody knows anything, they just do what they feel is right

and i can safely say

what they felt as right about killing ednas brother

was wrong

>>121601031
>running around endgame
>get back to galvaid bason
>vocal music out of no where
>uhhhhhh

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>>121601398
>wasting a 10/10 milf design on a character we see twice

thanks baba

>>121601490

I did feel pretty bad about that, they should have given us another way.

But then again Zestiria is all about suffering.

>>121600396
>If you actually payed attention to the story, he's compensating for Alisha's lack of resonance, which is making him blind.
Alisha has a little resonance and Sorey need to give much to her?

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>>121601692

That was a tragedy, but not nearly as bad as wasting this.

>>121602025

this game fucked up

you have 10/10 designs on characters you barely see

maltran
mayvin
sergei
lucas

shit sucks

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>>121597326
I've just reached Pendrago, and I'm seriously considering dropping it already.
The characters are kinda cool, but not enough to keep slogging through it.
The plot is especially bananas, and it feels like Baba completely forgot about minor details sometimes (alisha just disappearing (yes, I know there's DLC, but still, what the hell?)), seraphim having plates in front of them at inns, people believing Sorey will save them, but freaking out when he performs 'miracles').

>>121602025
Maltram is 11/10 but she was probably a relic from the times when Alisha was actually the heroine ;_;

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>>121602138
>fight Mayvin
>he starts throwing stones, plates, and empty bottles at me

>>121602138

I thought we would be meeting Mayvin all throughout the game, I was disappointed in how little he ended showing up. Especially considering how important he turned out to be in relation to the story. I suppose we could also get angry at how lazy the ruin designs were.

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>>121602187
Honestly, I enjoyed some of the later half of the game more than the first half.

But yes, the story is a bit of a mess. I really do like the characters.

The combat is just the deal breaker. I bought Xillia 1 and 2 since this left a bad taste in my mouth, I'm only an hour into Xillia and I already understand the combat better and can play it on Very Hard (since its like Vesperia or Abyss) but Zestiria there is just something off about how everything in combat works.

The camera doesn't help either.

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>>121602334

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djBUlWazpoU
just gonna dump
poor alisha

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>>121603278

The amount of jiggle that costume gives her should be illegal.

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>>121602536
Too much about Zestiria is just rubbing me the wrong way, I guess.
Xillia isn't perfect by any means, but that game had me hooked early on with the combat and story (though it gets ridiculous).
I just feel indifferent to everything that's going on in this game so far, which is usually a terrible sign for an RPG.
I really hate dropping games halfway through, but damn.

>>121599984
Alisha gave him cancer.

>>121602187
Yes, most things are ridiculous when you oversimplify and ignore the relevant details you're provided.

>>121605086
Fair enough.
That still doesn't save the plot from being absolute shit.

>>121605790
And that doesn't change you from being ignorant scum.

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I think I broke the earth trial...
Got the opening cutscene that said we had to chase around a minatour. I found him the next room over and snuck up on him using that water bubble, which initiated battle. I beat him and suddenly everyone's talking about some dead kids. (and I triggered that flag that opens the boss room.) What exactly was supposed to happen?

>>121606771
Just that

>>121603572
Xillia's main issue was that it was rushed as fuck. Alvin's betrayals do get ridiculous, though.

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Are you comfy, s/tog/gaf?

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>>121607790
Alvin being so openly shady is fun tho.

>>121606771
>suddenly
Gee, if only the game dropped some kind of extremely obvious information about that topic.

>>121597215
grinding the shit out of the first column is more than enough to break everything!

>>121585350
It's funny, there's some early promo art that has Sorey and Alisha in Ladylake, with Mikleo leaning on a railing behind looking disapproving. And another one with Rose, same pouty Meebo.

>>121596193
It is the wind temple, after all.

>>121597594
>getting the exact piece of equipment you need takes a ton of grinding

It's not really that bad. Use the luring skill + set the normin that has the skill you want.

>>121609458
That spinny-mist thing really does get the job done.

>>121601992
Did you somehow fail to notice that she couldn't see Mikleo standing right in front of her? That she spent three days in Elysia and thought that no one else lived there? Yes she has no goddamn resonance.

>>121598078
None of those three things are easy to get. The "easiest" is an 11 stack. I can barely get to 5 stacks.

The easiest to get "good" bonus is probably the "negate enemy resistance of X" you get for 7 long lines for each character's primary damage type.

>>121598971
That multipliers bonus is ridiculously expensive. Like 8k grade. The grade cap for level 25 LotL for every one is like 14k. Its basically impossible without spending an entire playthrough's worth of time grinding.

>>121602187
>seraphim having plates in front of them at inns

You say that like they don't address this multiple times. They often talk about how they don't need food but some eat for fun. Mikleo's been eating pretty much regularly his whole life because Gramps wanted Sorey to grow up not feeling like an outsider. They even wonder what it looks like if they're eating at an inn together (and it turns out that Lailah has a habit of "sampling" from random human's plates).

Actually, the weird specifics of the seraphim are one of the most consistent things here.

>>121602025
I bet good money Maltran would have been a much more common character when Alisha was going to be a main character.

>>121609705
Still not that easy. I mean, you get better odds, especially with the various boons, but drop rates are still pretty ass and the normin aren't anywhere close to a sure thing.

If you were to stack ONE skill all the way to 16, whats a good one to choose?

Heal on block?

+SC generations from combos to combine with the infinite combos?

+BG generation from combos?

>>121610404
Or, you know, just play the PC version and cap the lords of the land in minutes instead of wasting hours grinding for merchant runs.

>>121610958
Why bother? Why not just make perfect gear?

>>121611187
You need the grade shop unlock as well to take advantage perfect gear.
I hope you're not trying to defend pointless grind.

>>121610626
>Still not that easy. I mean, you get better odds, especially with the various boons, but drop rates are still pretty ass and the normin aren't anywhere close to a sure thing.

Eh, didn't take that much to get everyone immunity from petrification once I realized those fucking gorgons weren't dead.

>>121611367
I'm trying to ask why not just make the final setup if you are going to be cheating grind away anyway.

>>121611863
5 stack is easy. 16 stack is hard.

>>121611930
Having the ability to cheat doesn't mean you have to cheat in every possible way. Getting around extremely dubious grind to access what other games in the series make available pretty painlessly isn't a big deal.

>>121610101
>Yes she has no goddamn resonance.
Except for the fact that she was born with it and is a pure person. She just doesn't have enough to see special people and scary monsters.

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>>121597326
The game is obviously rushed as hell at the end. It's too bad because the beginning is quite nice.

>>121612704
Being a pure person and having resonance aren't the same thing. The first is just less likely to accumulate malevolence .

>>121614465
I will say, after all these halfassed "vague void" final dungeons, I really did like that the final area looked like an actual building with nice tilework and different rooms and enemies that weren't just silhouetted models.

Are those link titles earned when cpus are linked between them and not player? Or each has to be manually covered to get grade?

>>121606771
I was confused about that too. The party members say something like "He mentioned kids" or something as if the pervert Sereph had given some hint. But he doesn't

>>121615259
>fight the minotaur, a being composed of local badness
>children are screaming as you fight him
>seems this place was used to abandon children
WHAT COULD IT MEAN

>>121614465
I wish they added more cinematic-cutscenes (like the intro) closer to the end of the story. There's a bunch of cool ones at the start of the game but near the end you barely notice as many.

>>121615529
>broken toys, talk of abandoned children, a hellion made of tormented kids

Shit, we need Sherlock Holmes on this one.

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who are these fuckers?

is that the new shepherd?

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>the gun is literally never explained the entire game
>it's the entire reason we are able to save the world
>no explanation for the device, it just exists

>>121617860
New shepherd?

Uno?

Ayn siblings?

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>>121618095
>Sorey took the gun with him to hell so the next Shepherd is fucked