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Best Archer edition

Previous: >>121458782


>[OKEANOS]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151105
- Scenario written by higashide and nasu (only drakes lines)
- Medea Lily (3*) is the stage unlock servant
- David (3*) is the stage reward servant

>New servants data
http://pastebin.com/eMAFaCZm

>[Drake gatcha event]
November 5 (Thursday) 19:00 to November 18 (Wed) 13:59 JST
- Rate up in the Story gatcha for the new servants and CEs:
- 5*: Francis Drake
- 4*: Anne Bonney & Mary Read
- 3*: Hector, David, Euryale
- 3* Golden Hind, 4* Extra Rin, 5* Hakuno M, 5* Hakuno F CEs
- Check the links above for effects
- No need to complete Okeanos to unlock them
- They will be removed after the event ends -

>[100 Days Breakthrough Campaign]
November 6 (Friday) 4:00 to November 13 (Friday) 3:59 JST
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151104c
- 2 free tickets, 2 apples and some other stuff if you login
during this period
- Rewarded only once


>News and Reminders
- Latest changes (11/5)
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20151104d
- Producer's letter (about bans and the November update)
http://pastebin.com/WBUMiZny
- Regular Maintenance: Every Wed from 14:00 to 16:00 JST
- The Friendlist spreadsheet has been reset to remove inactives
Add yourself again


>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/G669xgbK

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>Data Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WI4dKGcwWjn5XpTgfLsK8c0cipRzrWbVpiLGeVr55Ks/htmlview?sle=true
http://pastebin.com/jtxyf37T (toaster version)

>Friendlist Spreadsheet - Reset!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/
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CUTE WITCH
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I want to impregnate Anne
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MC seems to have his own problems

Meanwhile FeMC only has to deal with these two homos
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Xth for best girl
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>>121488830
>tfw no Medea lily
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Reposting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy5DxZunROI

Mashu is going to die right?
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>>121488708
>people used the David I posted as material for shops
My proudest moment in this general
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Post waifu teams with no synergy
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>>121488892
She already died, interludes show that our servants are living with us in Chaldea in our room for now but we don't know if that can persist until the end of the story.

Da Vinci at least was living in Chaldea even before we showed up.
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>>121488830
Is she really in the gacha?
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>>121488708
>medea lily 3*
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>Droppable Horseshoes
based
but simply not enough for Marie
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>>121488892
She won't. At most, she loses the Galahad portion of herself and returns to being just an assistant at the end.
Then again, Da Vinci has apparently been hanging out at Chaldea for quite a long time. Mashu will stay as she is, most likely.
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>>121489041
Fuck, I made a freudian slip. I'll fix it in the next thread.
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>>121488708
>medea lily
>3*
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>>121488892
She's not dying you fruitcake why would you even be able to feed her if she'd just disappear later.
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>>121488849
So that is Mary hand that currently groping Anne left tit right?
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>>121489173
>implying this game won't die before
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>>121489258
I can't tell if it's Mary's hand or if Anne is groping/lifting herself

The lighting makes it look like they're in a tent or some shit
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>>121489245
God damn it this Mashu death flags meme is really starting to get on my nerves.
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>>121489245
>gets removed from your inventory
>get her back after epilogue
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>>121489331
>implying the game isn't already dead
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>>121489362
I'm basing it from the red color around the wrist, because Mary's jacket have that.
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>>121488849
http://strawpoll.me/5936805
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I wonder if they'll start up a secondary story after this main story is finished, or if we'll just get a bunch more meme maps for the rest of its lifecycle.
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>>121489245
Because you have to go through post-game dungeon to get her back after she dies.

She's technically already died; however the OP is full of deathflags all over the place for her.

its assumed that during the last stage of the story of the game, she'll discover her true NP, and go out protecting the world from some great attack thus saving everyone

She however dies.

She'll be reborn as a five star servant, the only free one you can get in the game as long as you complete the story and bonus section beyond it.

She's even got that Ilya smile in the OP, you know which Ilya smile.
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Every thread until Astolfo
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>>121489683
Missing the "neither" option.
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I present to you. E- Luck.

https://twitter.com/koli_hakumen/status/662616257569513472
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>Achilles can fight Karna
>Karna is on the same level as Gilgamesh
>Heracles is stronger than Achilles
So that means Heracles is stronger than Gilgamesh? I guess Gil was lucky that Herc was just a mindless retard protecting a child.
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>>121489685
Even after the main story finishes most mobage stay afloat for a long, long time with repeat events, new meme events, or just serious/new character events
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>>121489749
With jews, you lose.
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>>121489749
Not sorry for whales.
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>>121489749
That's like D. E- is all shit CE's and one Servants. If that's real, he can at least max out David
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Have some more death flag

This isn't a meme, this is just something people can see.
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>>121489749
>Kirei is the guaranteed gold
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>>121489917
They improved the 3* servant rate for Okeanos servants so getting 3* is still shit. Give me a leyline anyday over David.
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>>121489749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8
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>>121489683

So do I get to rape the other?
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>>121489714
>dies in the last stage protecting everybody
>even with her sacrifice the threat lingers
>just when all seems hopeless Mashu returns from the Throne of Heroes as a true Servant to finish the job
>hype as fuck final battle where Mashu solos the final boss to an instrumental arrange of the opening
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>>121489824
No, it means that all of them are top tier heroic spirits and the sole reason Gil usually has an advantage is because of his vault having all he needs to deal with almost everyone. But even him would have it really close against someone of that caliber in a 100% fight.
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>>121489683
I still don't know which one is Mary and which one is Anne.
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>>121489949
>loli Mashu will be featured in a flashback

prepare your dicks
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>>121489714
>Mashu's bond points reset
>When you click on her the first time in my room she asks who you are
MY HEART CAN'T HANDLE THIS
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>>121489949
>that nearly starved Mashu

Feels good i feed her all that exp.
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>>121490243
Anne is the busty blonde

Mary is the white haired womanlet
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>>121489917
Nah 3* servants and 3* CEs have the exact same rate of 40% in the Okeanos gacha.
So he got his guaranteed 3* servant and 4* CE and then an exact equal number of CEs and servants that all happened to be the same instead of one of the other rate ups.
It's actually pretty amazing.
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>>121490243
Mary is the loli
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>>121490363
>Mary is the white haired womanlet
Still taller than Nero.
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Should Jeanne or Shota Koyasu get my maxed Retard Tamamo CE?
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>>121490264
If she became a proper heroic spirit she'd still remember you because you'd be part of her record.
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>>121490224
She turns into a door at the end
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>>121490264
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Reposting from last thread

Can any dataminer look and see if casko has another NP upgrade interlude coming up?
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>>121490224
>after the battle she disappears like all the other support Servants do at the end of their chapter
>"I hope we can meet again one day, senpai..."
>added to the gacha as a 5*
>[jewing intensifies]
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>>121490504
Lewd kouhais make me hard
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>>121490501
Which means Anne must be 7ft+ tall because she towers above Mary
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>>121490224
>Is Saber class
Mashu was Gallahad all along
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>>121490680
Wonky art is all. She's like less than 20cm taller.
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>>121488992
Kay
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>>121490639
>added to the gacha as a 5*
I will do anything for my kouhai
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>>121490527
This really burns my breads.
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>>121490609
Nope, there was a second one a week ago though.
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>>121490680
Anne is 5.6ft in her biography.
The arts proportions are all fucked.
Mary is 5.2ft and Nero is 4.9ft
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So, christmas is 7 weeks out
Surely we get an event between the end of the Okeanos launch gatcha event and then
What is it gonna be? 5 mil downloads? I cannot think of any actual festivals between halloween and christmas or special events in reality they could draw from
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>>121490994
Do you remember what the boost was going to be for? NP charge,skill cool down or another hp upgrade? But if you can't it's reassuring enough that she'll get some kind of update when London arrives
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If Drake Anon is here, please answer. I may have something for you(please post your e-mail aswell).
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>>121491178
>5 mil downloads?
Yeah, expect Iskandar.
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>>121491229
She didn't have another NP entry, the quest was just floating there in the files doing nothing, like a lot of the other interludes.
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>>121489824
Achilles have the advantage in Apoc because it's in Romania.
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>>121491178
There were four or so events that weren't holdiays we had on a basically weekly basis

Gilgamesh event
Nero Event
Orion Event
etc

They usually came with one new servant added to gatcha, a few CEs, maybe a few other new servants.

Holidays are one thing, but we always have the "weekly" "events"
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>>121491296
Surely we'll get free shit too and not just "You reached 5 mil downloads, here, you unlocked iskander in the paid gatcha. What, you want something to do? Give us money, we'll think about it."
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>>121491178
We will probably have an Iskandar event in about a month and then we'll get a Christmas event.
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>>121491178
We'll get an iskander event and maybe something else as filler
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>>121491178
>As a gift for the Christmas event, everyone will recieve 5 apples and 1 ticket! Please look forward to it.
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>>121491178
Japan celebrates Thanksgiving, national holiday and all.
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>>121489714
>>121490224
>>121490264
>Mashu dies in front of Lancelot
>Lancelot brings out Arondight and goes UNRIVALED mode against the final boss, stalling it until some Deus Ex Machina happens
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>>121491482
Is it sad that I can believe this?
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>>121491395
Damn it. Well I hope DW aren't stupid enough to leave her unattended to once she's fully released
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>>121489749
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>Mid-November update
>Certain NP effects will prolong even after use
>Affected servants:
>Arturia, Emiya, Nero, Tamamo no Mae, Caligula, Asterios
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>>121491556
Fuck off.
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>>121491654
>I hope DW ...
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I wonder how Kiyohime will deal with the no-dick situation with Gudako. Tamamo can at least magic up a dick for her and Hakuno.
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>>121491438
Gilgamesh event was free shit and nothing to do
Nero event, point taken
Orion event, hm, isn't there moon viewing dango stuff in Japan?

>>121491446
>A month
So we're supposed to twiddle thumbs for 3 weeks?

>>121491482
I actually believe they'll try to harvest a lot of goodwill from christmas events and then go full platinum jew on new years
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>Magical Girl Medea turns Jason into a demon
Jason when?
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>>121491734
>Arturia?
Is she going to get an additional 20% NP gauge during the next turn or what?
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>>121491840
>implying Kiyohime loves the dick more than she loves her lover
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>>121491840
Kiyohime is friends with Tamamo, she can ask Tamamo for a bit of help
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>>121491780
Lancelot can use fuck off as a NP.
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>>121491883
Maybe he'll be released with Joan Alter and some other story-only boss as part of an event?
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>>121491556
And then Sir Lancelot wakes up in his bed & cries when he doesn't see his king beside him.
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>>121491441
Maybe new daily rewards or login milestone rewards.
Probably new items in the mana prism store and maybe they'll actually use the quartz store.
I wouldn't expect an actual event with currencies and a store since the other download events were pretty much just reduced ap costs on dailies when it came to content to do.
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xth for Robin Hood a cute!
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>>121491848
Best thing they could do is have another pick your own free servant event, also gift a generous amount of quartz, tickets and apples

The most unlikely would be buffing the gacha rates permanently

Absolute shit tier would be a free servant that's Lily levels bad (although casLiz was a surprise, ,we all know how DW operates)
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Is the game still tanking in ratings?
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>>121492203
Don't think ratings can go lower
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>>121491840
Kiyohime does not give a shit about dicks
If it's there, meh
if it's not there, meh
It's like having a medicine cookie in your mcdonalds order
You'll ignore it either way

>>121492065
Half AP free quests would be nice
Snake Jewel farming for 8 AP

>>121492091
Another free servant would be great.
They will never buff the actual rates permanently. They might do something like increasing the rates for a select few days for your first roll. So you get like 1 roll with double rare rates a day for 3 days (christmas, first and second christmas holiday)
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With everyone complaining about Extra's combat not making sense or being too hard, I decided to replay it from the start on a fresh save. Tamamo from the start, I can't see many commands since I don't have any NG+ data going on.

Still haven't died once; this combat system just makes sense to me still. Its not that hard to figure out when someone is going to use what or guess their patterns.

Its just stuff like AAGGAA or BBABBA

Also being able to use items and the first dungeon basically being a training dungeon means there's no way you should really have a hard time here figuring out patterns or the system in general.

Being able to use items alone means you can't claim you were taken by surprise, since you do have options to throw out in the middle of battle if you're unsure. The game is all about being able to read the opponent and commit a few steps ahead.
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>>121492337
It still has 2/5 stars. It can go lower.
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>>121492203
Won't go up until 4* and 5* gacha rates go up.
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>>121492203
>>121492337
Actually, the good rankings surpass the bad rankings since months ago.
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>>121492393
There's one thing that would make me give them a 5* rating, and that would be a pick your own 5* ticket
I'm pretty sure plenty people would forgive them for the bullshit they pulled until now with that
I'd also save that fucking ticket for Ozzy since there's no way I'll ever roll him otherwise
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>>121488849
Where were the Anne and Mary anons when they were leaked? I never saw anyone say a nice thing about them prior to their release.
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>>121491848
>So we're supposed to twiddle thumbs for 3 weeks?

They don't expect people to finish Okeanus in two hours, like some people did.

Those people are whales or whale types; you can't really plot around these people.

With these types of mobile games, they plan for people to play about five minutes a day basically. You have AP that runs out because they don't want you playing for too long at a time, so that you'll come back later, and not run out of content too fast.
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Does Med Lily appear in Drake/s Gatcha or the normal one only?
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>Roll third Arturia
Fuck off. I don't even like the seibas and I keep getting them
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>>121492456
>>121492337
It has 3,1 in Google Play. I don't know where are you getting the 2 stars thing.
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>>121492564
>Pick your own 5* ticket
>Cannot be saved
>Must be used within a week of acquisition, cannot save it by leaving it in your presents box either
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>>121492671
IOS
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>>121492564
The chance for such a ticket is like 1 in 10,000,000 and I am being very generous with the odds here
If they gave such a ticket it would be limited to very specific 5*s only

>>121492623
Even if you do it entirely on AP regen, less than 5 days
If you do it on 10 minute AP regen, 10 days
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>>121492642
Drake gacha is the normal gacha, we are back to the pre-Kintoki era.
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>>121492642
Mate this is the normal gatcha
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>>121492752
Honestly I would love if they would give a 5* summoning ticket away. You don't pick what you get, but it's going to be a 5* Servant. The Salt would be real.
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>>121492752
>>121492834
I know, but a man can dream ;_;
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>>121492642
Are there several quartz gachas for you, anon?
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>>121492801
You dead, son
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>>121492671
>>121492757
>Google rating is higher because they actually do refunds
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>>121492853
Not exactly. This is the story gatcha. They'll be there until London comes out and the London servants take over. The rate up ends on the 18th I believe
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>>121492801
>Can't beat Hector
>Thinks he can beat Achilles
King of Jobbers.
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>>121492983
>tfw tricking ios faggots into trying to abuse refunds
feels good man
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>>121492925
So much for Gilgamesh being the strongest servant
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>>121493024
>They'll be there until London comes out and the London servants take over. The rate up ends on the 18th I believe
>rate up ends
It's not just the rate up mate, Drake and the lesbian pirates will be gone too.
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>>121493226
He never was. Saber Alter is the strongest Servant.
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>>121493226
Should have brought a saber.
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How scremed am I /fgog/ ?
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>>121492801
Hector can handle Gilgamesh by himself.
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>>121493279
>>121493024
Oh stop with your bullshit.
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>>121493437
>scremed
That's not a word I think.
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>>121493437
Just do Tamamocat's interlude
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>>121493279
No they wont
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>>121493390
Somehow there were no sabers in my friends list
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>>121493437
You could get 4 talons free If you have Tamamo Cat.
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>>121493528
>>121493569
Read the OP.

>[Drake gatcha event]
November 5 (Thursday) 19:00 to November 18 (Wed) 13:59 JST
- Rate up in the Story gatcha for the new servants and CEs:
- 5*: Francis Drake
- 4*: Anne Bonney & Mary Read
- 3*: Hector, David, Euryale
- 3* Golden Hind, 4* Extra Rin, 5* Hakuno M, 5* Hakuno F CEs
- Check the links above for effects
- No need to complete Okeanos to unlock them
- They will be removed after the event ends -
>- They will be removed after the event ends -
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>>121493602
>>121493563
Are they guaranteed drops or what?
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So...10roll or single for Drake?
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>>121493734
That's based on a bad translation.
It just meant that the rate up will be removed.
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>>121493532
Had a brainfart, no clue why I wrote scremed.

>>121493563
>>121493602
Nope, don't have her. Waiting until next event I guess.
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>>121488708
>Best Archer
Wrong pic anon.
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>>121493908
Weak
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>>121493875
Post the real translation for the event page then.
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>>121493787
They are. Interlude rewards seem to be fixed. Plenty of people including myself got 4 talons (1 on the second quest and 3 on the third one).
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>>121493734
That was confirmed a mistranslation, it meant the rate will be removed

Also can someone link me or tell me what do the new CE do?
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>>121493908
What is this? Arjuna for ants?
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>>121493734
>>121494007
Yeah anon they will totally be removed. Just like my lollipops for cazliz and all the golden apples disappeared too, right?

Seriously I feel bad for the people taking the shit seriously.
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>>121493787
>>121494052
I also got 4 talons so i'm pretty sure it's 100% or close.
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>>121493981
>That hair
Is it Gilles?
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>>121493908
>>121493981
Heracleslaughing.jpg
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>>121493981
>gets punched out by a Saber semi-knockoff
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>>121494052
That's just "awesome" considering that I did 90% of Interludes.
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>>121494007
If they were being removed as that statement says, they'll be removing 3*s too. Why would they do that? That's retarded. Use your brain.
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Who FP CE here 391,450,747
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>>121494279
Thats not his hair, it's shadow
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>>121494108
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#nav
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>>121493602
That's Retard Cat, right? Not Casko?
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>>121494291
>Killed by GoB
>“All you do is throw weapons blindly...even hurling sand would have made a better substitute...“
>“Such puerile tricks can defeat only weaklings……or non-thinking beasts.”
Weak.
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>>121494613
Thank you anon
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>>121494657
Yup
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>>121494657
Yes.
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>>121494682
>Best archer
>Scared of sand
towel archer a shit
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>>121494682
>look at me, I'm a secondary!
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>>121494896
Thinking a weakling like Heracles can even stand a chance against the strongest Servant truly is worthy of being called a secondary.
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>>121494236
>>121494374
So you're just saying that it's based on a bad translation without any real proof. Kay.
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Jason did nothing wrong, Medea deserves all the suffering she received in her life time.
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>>121493981
Wait for more volumes of strange fake before claiming this title.
>>121494291
Lore wise I don't know but stats wise Arjuna is already stronger than Archer Herakles though.
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Lesbian pirates GET!
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Should I keep all the servants I got or burn the ones I don't want/like?
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Mashu x Arjuna's balls
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>>121495202
Singles?
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>>121493908
Krishna when?
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>>121495237
Are you a good Mastah or a bad Mastah? That's your answer.
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>>121495237
Don't burn them, Servants like Blackbeard have interludes full of rare items.
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Are the pirate sluts any good?
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>>121495296

Someone change the images on the balls for the Fou-kun connecting and retry messages.
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>>121495312
Yes.
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>>121495237
Some interludes are giving rare materials now. Blackbeards for example gives like 15 Forbidden Pages.
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>>121495445
I wish we have an Interlude item drops list. So far /fgog/ only really talk about Tamamocat's for 4 talons.
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>>121495461
Better than Drake
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>>121495461
They are amazing, top tier 4*
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>>121495058
like half the shit on cirnopedia is wrong anyway, so it doesn't exactly help the translation's credibility at all
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>>121495684
>>121495645
Glad to hear it, I already have Alter so it looks like I lucked out
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>>121495332
Hopefully never.
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>>121495195
He and Karna are only stronk because hindu mythology is broken as fuck
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Would Alexander remember waver if he got summoned again?
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What does Drake's third skill do?
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>>121495798
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>>121495461
People have been doing 200-500k damage with their NP when they're buffed and with low HP. A bit useless currently, but cool nonetheless.
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>>121495838
Yes
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>>121495692
>Cirnopedia lists Slut Iri CE as 4*
>main Servants page shows Hassan without Presence Concealment
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>>121495838
Not fully. Memories work weirdly for them, some more than others. The GO system seems a bit different in that some can remember multiple singularities while some don't.
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Clown in London soon!
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>>121495993
30% NP bar increase
Invincibility pierce
10 crit stars
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>>121495993
Grants 10 Crit Stars and 30-50% NP gauge, iirc.
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>>121495692
>like half the shit on cirnopedia is wrong anyway
spreadsheet-chan pls
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>>121495798
>Karna with all his OP NPs is only equal or a bit stronger than Numeral Gawain
>Numeral Gawain can't even handle the UNRIVALED
Doesn't seem that broken in Nasuverse.
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>>121495838
As of GO the answer appears to be yes. Previously, he'd remember him in the same sense as you'd "remember" something you read in a book.
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Is there any new interlude that gives plumes?
I need them for Saber.
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>>121496282
my spreadsheet is better than your shitty website

deal with it, nerd
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>>121495332
SMT IV Final have some really good redesign.
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>>121496385
Karna without his full armor, nerfed godspear, and shitty master support = Gawain with perfect Master at full power.
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I thought having guns disqualified you from being a servant.
Can't remember where the hell I read that, though.
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Is My Room anon here? I can record Mary and Anne's lines if necessary
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>>121496426
Why is spreadsheet-chan so cute? Spreadsheet-chan demi-servant when?
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>>121496392

So GO canon would apply to a normal HGW in this scenario right?
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>>121496392
It's still like that. Their memories aren't exactly crystal clear. Kid Alexander has a line about how he can't remeber how many wars he's been in and Saber or someone talks about the vagueness in an interlude.
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>>121496426
>that shitty spreadshit
>better than anything
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>>121496574
You can have guns they just won't be noble phantasms if I remember correctly. It's like Spartacus' sword, it's a weapon he comes equipped with but it's not a noble phantasm.
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>>121496426
That's actually funny.

>>121496653
Define a normal HGW. Even F/SN's HGW isn't technically normal.
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>>121496542
I'm sure it was said if Karna was at full power he would only be equal or a bit stronger than Numeral Gawain though.
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>>121496385
I honestly believe that Gawain being written as the broken piece of shit he was was because Nasu never intended him to have a role in anything besides Extra. He was built up to be the final boss of that specific game, so the writing worked to make him out as an absurd threat. But the truth is in the greater scale of Type-Moon he's just not very dangerous. He's roughly Seibah's equal, but his Avalon equipment only has a specific, daily time in which it can be used. He just doesn't stack up but the writing's backed them into a corner about him being stronk.
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>>121495195
>OP god armor
>a noose strong enough to bind god
>Indestructible chariot with 4 immortal divine horse
>can destroy mountain with a single shot with normal arrows
>a world destroying weapon
>2 other god weapon that i can't remember
Man the things you don't even have to wank him
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>>121496574
That would be the case If you were known for your guns. Drake isn't known because she had two pistols like everyone else during that era.
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>>121496574
It's not guns. It's supersoldiers with supertech that does all the work for them. Guns can't be NPs, only Heroic Spirits (and only if said gun has a soul attached to it).
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>>121496385
>Unrivaled
>can't take down mind broken Arturia
>blown out of skies by Gil
>Successful killed 0 Servants unless himself is included
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>>121496849
Lancelot's kill count -

Jet pilot
Maiya
His own master
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>>121496785
>Nasu never intended him to have a role in anything besides Extra.

He's already made appearances in other things

There was a chapter about him in GoA

He's strong, but he's not absurd in power really. He's about equal to Karna according to CCC, which is decent enough.
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>>121496806
>Still has to resort to shitty, disrespectful tactics to beat Karna
>Sucks the giant god cock
I'd rather we not talk about this piece of shit.
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>>121496849
>Arturia using all her strength on defense barely lasted 10 seconds against him
>BTFO Gil out of the skies and injured him.
>Everyone had to gank on him and the only time they didn't his shitty Master ran out of prana
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>>121496992
Anon, please read next time. I said INTENDED. He's obviously broken out into other roles, I'm just saying he seems like a character that only works as the threat he's made out to be in the contained environment of F/Extra.
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>>121497057
>shitty, disrespectful tactics
You've never been in a real fight have you.
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>>121496574
Guns don't disqualify you.
You're thinking of the reasoning behind no modern servants in that heroes nowadays are mostly just people with guns that anyone can use with enough practice rather than something unique that only they can use to be their noble phantasm.
Drake uses pistols but they're not her NP.
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How good are 4* sluts with Alter?
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>>121496980

>jet pilot

Don't you mean Captain Ougi of the JASDF?

>Ougi and Kobayashi tag team servant duo like pirate sluts never
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>>121497223
You've never read Hindu myths, have you?
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>>121495332
kek now that I think about it,Krishna and Rama are avatars of Vishnou like Tamamo is an avatar from Amaterasu so maybe they will be weak lore wise.

>>121495798
I can't argue with this.

>>121496806
To be honest with what we know,he's at best equal of Karna in Nasuverse that's amazing but not enough to deserve that level of wank.
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>>121496846
>It's supersoldiers with supertech that does all the work for them.
I'm pretty sure that if you take the supersoldier out you get Gil, and he is a Servant.

>Guns can't be NPs
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>>121497261
Sluts Duo are better with the Virgin Slut Archer (AUO) and UNRIVALED, but Alter is strong by herself so it should be fine.

Their setup is more conducive to a crit based team though
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>>121497137
>Mind broken Arturia without Avalon while being a big black man
>Didn't do any lasting damages & gets blown up after jet gets blown up
>is the biggest reason aside from Zouken that his master died
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>>121497347
Theres no such thing as disrespectful or shitty tactics when you're in fight for your life. Fuck off
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>>121497224

What about someone like say, Golgo 13? He uses guns but he is "the one and only" of his universe. Would he qualify as a servant?
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>>121496775
No, nothing like that was ever said.

When BB fought Gawain and Leo she thought Gawain was nothing special (because she's way too powerful) because he was as strong as Karna (who gave his armor to Jinako, a shit Master and doesn't have most of his stuff), so she was surprised when he managed to stall her for a minute.

Gawain and Leo (the best Master there is on the moon excluding endgame Hakuno) is on par with Karna + Jinako.
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>>121497057
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>>121497169
>I'm just saying he seems like a character that only works as the threat he's made out to be in the contained environment of F/Extra.

Even without Numeral of the Saint, he's basically Arthuria in terms of stats and abilities, except with far less trouble firing off Excalibur.

If you think Saber was strong at all in F/SN, even with Shirou master, then you already know why Gawain is powerful.

He doesn't need Numeral to be powerful, without Numeral he's still Saber tier. Numeral just puts him in broken tier a bit when its active.

He's no strongest servant or anything, but its not hard to see why he's strong. Even without his version of Avalon, he's still an all out power house with Excalibur clone and skills said to rival Arthur in battle.

He's a decent to high tier servant in any normal war even without Numeral, but then you factor in Numeral and he was considered unbeatable tier in Extra, until they shut down the sun during his fight.
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>>121497468
Stop trying, go read.
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>>121497468
Dumb shitposter please leave if you're going to talk about myths that you refuse to educate yourself on.
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Nobunaga when?
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>>121497643
Stop being ignorant, go experience the real world
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>>121496770

I'll just ask my question directly, would Persues remember pic related if he got summoned again?
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>>121496770
>Define a normal HGW.
I don't think there's been one yet. It's kind of silly, five grail wars and they never got it right.
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>>121497724
>refuses to read up on myths he's arguing about
>calls others ignorant
please leave shitposter-kun
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>>121497761
Potentially but not if it's a different Perseus. Seibah doesn't remember being summoned as a man and fucking Ayako, and Cu doesn't remember being summoned with a shittier VA.
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>>121497546
There is a quote that mentions Karna only being a bit stronger than Numeral Gawain if he was at full power though.
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>>121497724
The real world has no link with the Hindu myths.
We're not talking about how you or anyone else would fight.
It's about how Hindu heroes fought and what was disrespectful for them and those who lived in their stories.

Now fuck off and go read.
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>>121497886
>Zoro
>shitty
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>>121488708
>Archer
>uses Staff
>no projectils beats them with the staff
Explain this fatefags.
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>>121497898
post quote
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>>121497886
>a shittier VA
Fuck off.
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>>121498015
King of Kikes does not abide by your plebeian rules.
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>>121497849
Zero is a normal war if we take the final battle out.
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>>121497886

Would there be any problem canon wise with the same persues being summoned again for a different war?
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>>121498015
Why red man use sword when archer lol!>?
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>>121498098
Congratulations! You've officially passed the point where even if you ARE baiting, you are objectively more retarded than the other party.
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>>121498213

Atleast he has bow based attacks
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>>121498015
The NP defines the hero.
Like how Medusa is a Rider because of Pegasus.
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>>121498339
>denial
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>>121498339
>Look mom I posted the bait meme again!
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>>121497898
The quote in question doesn't exactly say half the things you said

It doesn't say numeral Gawain, it doesn't say full power this or that. Its just that Hakuno and Gilgamesh when they say Karna they were like "This guy is on the same level as Gawain, maybe even a bit higher! He might even be at the level where Gilgamesh can't play around".

Just like when they met Gawain, they realized the power of the one they were dealing with right off the bat since he was a top class servant.

Its like when Shirou saw Heracles in F/SN, you instantly feel the chill in the air when you see a powerful guy.

Gilgamesh himself was quite silent upon meeting him, almost like he was prepared for battle any moment and any slight movement would direct the entire situation. He only stood down after Karna made some promise to him about giving up either his head, his lance, or his shield.

Hakuno by that point, even if he's lost all of the memories, he does have a lot of battle experience under his belt somewhere inside. He's a decent gauge since he already went through Extra, even if he forgot.
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>>121498347
And David gets a sling NP.
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What happens when the full Team Sunny has to team up one day?
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>>121498717
>Its like when Shirou saw Heracles in F/SN, you instantly feel the chill in the air when you see a powerful guy.
>Herkek
>Strong
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>>121488830
I find it funnier how Medea Lily is way more prone to evil than Medea herself
Then again crazed by God magic
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>>121499007
Incompatibility leads to reduced team performance. Tamamo and Karna willingly follow Hakuno as a leader but Gawain is a prickly faggot that refuses to acknowledge them because they aren't royalty. There's zero cohesion between the Servants either. Tamamo and Karna are indifferent to one another, and both of them despise Gawain, who hates and derides them in return from a false sense of superiority and moral right.

In short, they all work better on an individual basis than as a team, primarily because Gawain is like a walking bottle of solvent that dissolves the cohesion of any group he's placed into.
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What CE is good with the slutty pirates?
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>>121499459
>projecting this hard onto Gawain
Does EMIYA post here too?
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>>121499640
Black Grail.
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>>121499640
Moon Bath
Black Grail
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>>121499640
Black Grail
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>>121499459
>but Gawain is a prickly faggot that refuses to acknowledge them because they aren't royalty.

Don't be a cunt, Gawain and Karna have already worked together before and they had complete synergy.

People really like to overstate his attitude; you'll understand him after playing CCC, he's really not as bad as working with others as you think. Nor is he as snobby or insulting as you think by any margin, although he does have a habit of putting his foot in his mouth by misspeaking.

People really like to hate or don't understand his personality, but I can tell you its not like that. Maybe its the Gawainfags that like to shitpost as him that got people thinking backwards, but I can't wait for CCC to come out so people can see another side of him at least.
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>>121499804
>>121499796
>>121499762
Finally, someone I can actually use it on
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>>121497927
Not him but Arjuna shot the unprepared Karna during their duel because of anger and because his companions pressed him to do it and he deeply regretted it later.He's basically Diarmuid-tier honorable apart for this.
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>>121499761
Gawain is an awful person more concerned with assuaging his own guilt and honor than he is actually seeking victory and protecting his Master. He refuses to let Leo acknowledge the strength of his foes and the possibility of defeat, and this directly leads to Leo's untimely demise. His attempts to atone for his fuckup single-handedly killing Arthur and destroying Camelot managed to create an EVEN BIGGER fuckup. He is not a Servant that's worthy of even an ounce of respect. He's a failure as a Heroic Spirit, as a knight, and as a person.
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>>121497194
I love her panties.
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>>121499007
And Ozzy, I think.
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>>121500082
>>121499941
Should I believe the person posting his hot opinions or the person posting actual proof that at least two of the team can get along?
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Lancelot can hijack the Moon Cell. Discuss.
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>>121500390
Shadow Servants
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>>121499007
>this is the evilest looking servant
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>>121500327
In fairness both are right. Gawain in CCC's a lot more of a team player since he doesn't regard the other Masters and Servants as enemies, so we get to see his attitude towards allies and not enemies. He's a dick down to the bone in vanilla Extra though.
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>>121500390
Not anymore than he can hijack Gaia

Its not a weapon in either case, its an Aristotle(like)'s inner world.
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If only I can roll drake on my main
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>>121500390
Lancelot was probably killed by Shiki.Discuss.
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Strength: E Mana: E-
Endurance: C+++ Luck: A
Agility: E Noble Phantasm: EX
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>>121500698
>Taiga tier of skill
>Matching UNRIVALED
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>>121500082
>honor than actually seeking victory
>singlehandedly killed Arthur
>projecting this hard
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I wonder if getting a brutally honest appraisal from both Karna and Andersen would make most people kill themselves after.
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With all these nifty new skills the new servats are getting, what are the odds of DW buffing the likes of say Saber, Attila, Marie and Martha.
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>>121500769
DW decides to add Nefertari into the game because they already have her design and they need more brown girls.

What would you give her? What would her NP be? Note that it can be like Marie's where it doesn't really mean shit but it has to at least look a bit Egyptian.
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Aside from Gil and Drake, what other 5*s that can work in a star generation team?
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>>121500940
zero
enjoy the powercreep goy
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>>121500821
Servant kill count:

Shiki:100.
Lancelot:0.
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>>121500940
Marie and Martha could definitely use some buffs.
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>>121500940
Saber and Attila may get buffed in the future, don't see it happening for any 4* servant though.
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>>121500698
That sounds plausible, everybody knows that Lancelot is a faggot so dying like one is not that far-fetched.
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>>121501041
Waver can't generate but he can make the crit expenders do stupid amounts of damage.
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Well fuck
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>>121501161
Once they start integrating multiple NP's they're gonna make Emiya a fucking powerhouse, just you wait. He's gonna get Excalibur Image and Nine Lives Blade Works.
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>>121500940
>Buffing Saber or Attila
They're fucking fine

Marie and Martha fulfill a role too, they're also fine.

The only gold servants that deserve buffs are Siegfried (Needs major help), Nero (Even if it's just tweaking the RNG shit on her second skill) and Tamamo (Majorly outclassed by Waver even before his buffs)
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>>121501191
Lancelot can use a faggot as a NP.
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>>121501019
I want to cvck Ozzy
>>
After playing for about a month, I'm finally through Rome. Third world is pretty hard so far.
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>>121501041
Artemis can work but she won't be any better than Atalanta.
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>>121500940
All the old 5*s have a chance to get buffed.

Hell not just old, every 5*s have a chance to get buffed.
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>>121501191
http://strawpoll.me/5845942/r
http://strawpoll.me/5925657/r

Sure
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>>121501373
smugredman.jpg
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>>121501380
Attila's skills are pure crap. She needs a buff.
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>>121501041
Orion
2 quick cards
17%+ crit damage buff and a 20% damage buff.
Independent Action A+

Waver is also good for his buffs to make you crit users do crazy damage and get their NPs off.
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Are the two sluts a good replacement for Drake if I can't roll her yet?
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>>121501373
>tfw when EMIYA can use the NPs of any other servant that's weapon based.
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>>121489949
Good I want to know about her past
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>>121501654
>Star Emblem
>pure crap
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>>121501414
One at a time or altogether?
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>>121501380
Vlad's NP gain could use a buff
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>>121501706
They're both really good Riders, so yes.
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>>121501380
Tamamo still works fantastically in an arts team but she really needs more going for her. The crit buff ended up unintentionally helping her but that's it
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>>121501019
Make her a caster and give her that temple she had as a territory NP. The giant statues can be the ones that defend her.
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>>121501776
>1/3 skills good
Just because she has 1 good skill. doesn't mean all her skills are good.
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Is Orion good? I had the misfortune of pulling him
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>>121501041
Casko can shitout a fuckton of crits
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>>121501380
Attila is shit.

>>121501776
It is.
The amount of stars generated is fucking nothing and not to mention now they generate like crazy without even trying & the damage buff part of it is fucking awful in comparison to other self attack buffs.
Her other skills also aren't great.
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>>121501974
Strongest servant against male enemies. Artemis is also a total cutie and has big tits. Literally perfection.
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>>121501974
Slightly better with the update

Still the worst 5* but at least she's not totally awful now
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>>121502161
star emblem seem unique enough like crossing arcadia that it might get an interlude upgrade later
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>>121501974
he's not gilgamesh so no
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>>121501951
>>121502161
Nigger, her Military Tactic and Star Emblem pretty much have the same effect as Drake Voyager of the Storm and Pioneer of the Stars, minus invincibility pierce and NP charge, but her attack buff last 3 turns. Also;

>the damage buff part of it is fucking awful in comparison to other self attack buffs
>30% at max level
>awful
That's already higher than most.
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>>121502423
Voyager is AoE and should be primarly be seen as an AoE Neutral Prana burst.
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>>121502472
best saber/10
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>>121502423
>oh her skills are like the one from other 5*
Dude, she doesn't do shit without her NP interlude. And even with the interlude her 2nd skill is utter garbage, while her 1st skill becomes a little more useful.
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>>121502680
>implying military tactics is not AOE
you're right, it's still shit though
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Is it even possible to get a 100 stars?
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I'm glad even GO Gilgamesh retains his status as the best and strongest Servant above all others. He's probably the reason they made it impossible to use duplicate Servants.
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>>121502990
Gilgamesh isn't the strongest and was never stated to be though. Saber Alter is.

Besides, Lancelot is stronger in FGO.
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My Room Lines anon, are you alive?

http://webm.host/8f39d/
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>>121502757
>NP interlude
Since when Attila has it?
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>>121502757
Let him stay delusional.

Disregarding the superior Arturia I rather pick Alter over Attila.

Alter
>More diverse skill-set
>4* means 4 less cost
>Strongest NP so far
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11DBeBSo1N5e3diF9W8_lg2UmJEv9QKcT4JhdV1zJykU/edit#gid=610227185
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>Anne Bonny will never jerk you off as she lets you suck on her fat tits
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>>121503163
Saber Alter was the strongest in Fuyuki, during that time yeah.

Fuck off now.
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>>121501974
One shotting Heracles with Orion's NP in first turn four times in a row was fun.
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>>121502757
>Dude, she doesn't do shit without her NP interlude.
Well yeah, it' not even in the game yet.
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>>121503275
She doesn't have it yet, that was my point.
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>>121503216
Not him but I can translate that shit if you want.
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>>121503316
If she was the strongest in Fuyuki that makes her stronger than Gil. Besides the material quote says she is without dispute the strongest, not only Fuyuki.

Fuck off now.
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>>121503284
Thank god, she's disgusting
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>>121503284
>You will never shoot an impregnating cumshot into Mary while Anne breast presses you from behind
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>>121503275
>>121503369
Samefag.
see >>121503424
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>>121503284
Don't give up hope.
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>>121503471
>probably
>without dispute
not that anon but when will you realize that nasu is a hack
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>>121503471
Gil was already dead by that point. Saber Alter was the strongest Servant alive in Fuyuki at that point in time.

Fuck off.
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>>121503276
>More diverse skill-set
You mean Charisma E that does jackshit and Instinct, which take up whole skill slot while being made irrelevant with the new Quick boost? Literally only one good skill.
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>>121503163
>Gilgamesh isn't the strongest and was never stated to be though

He has though

>Gilgamesh [Servant]
>The Archer of the previous Grail War. Mankind's oldest king of heroes, who defeated Saber. For more details, refer to his status screen in the game.
>As no proper Heroic Spirit can match this man, he could be called the "Servant Killer".
>Without a doubt, he is the strongest existence amongst the Servants.
>Though he lost due to obsession against Saber…
>Though he lost due to pride against Shirou…
>Though he lost due to carelessness against XXXXX…
>…the fact of the matter is that if he actually gets serious, he is a Servant that cannot be rivaled.
>Perhaps because he has been living in human society for the past ten years, he seems to be hip on the latest fashions. He owns various casual clothes, but his favorite is the biker outfit he wore in the Rin route.
>Well, he liked it enough to overlook Shirou's group and leave instead of letting it get dirty, at any rate. I can't believe the protagonist's life was worth less to Gil than his coat…!

People hate this entry, they rebel against it all the time either saying it doesn't count or was retconned.

Especially that one Karnafag

He was called without a doubt the strongest existence among servants though, it was not retconned either, CCC only confirmed it more, and no proper heroic spirit can fully match him.

Even Urobutchi said that if Serious Gilgamesh ever fought Serious Arthuria, there could be no conclusion. During Fate route that was still corrupted and prideful Gilgamesh, if he was fully serious though and she had Avalon, there might be no rightful conclusion.
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>>121503592

>121503275 (You)
>121503369
>Samefag.

Lel. Also, we have no idea what her interlude reward will be, look at Atalanta and Waver.
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>>121503675
Without dispute comes after the probably so in Nasu's mind, she currently is without dispute the strongest.

>>121503681
>Saber Alter was the strongest Servant alive in Fuyuki at that point in time.
Citation please. It's funny how you want to say Gil is the strongest when nothing indicates that yet want to completely disregard Alter quote that actually says it.
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Which 4* or lower servants would work well with Drake and Arturia?
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>>121503841
He's the strongest proper servant, meaning it doesn't factor in improper ones like Enkidu, Beautiful Assassin, EMIYA, etc.
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If I don't have Iri Maxed, is Kaleido a good alternative for UNRIVALED?
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Has anyone here rolled Medea Lily?
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>>121503747
>6% damage boost and 12% when maxed
>does jackshit
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>>121503913
Unlike people seem to be suggesting, Alter existed before Gil died. Kirei confirms him as the strongest existence before Sakura kills him.
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>>121504004
>proper servant
Nice headcanon there.
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>>121503747
>Charisma E
Still better and more diverse than Military Tactics
>Instinct
14 stars on demand isn't irrelevant.
Attila's Divine body however is irrelevant.
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>>121503869
Nope, no NP interlude.
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>>121502423
30% at max is terrible for a self buff. Not to mention most people won't even get it to max level.
The buff lasting 3 turns really doesn't matter as much as you think it does since you go through all your cards in 3 turn cycles so you generally use it at a really bad time or on a really good chain and then it doesn't really do much at all after unless you're at the end of the cycle and manage to go from brave chain into brave chain which is extremely unlikely.

Take Charisma A+ for example it's 21% at max level but it's 3 turn duration actually has an effect because it's party wide.

In comparison to other single target ATK buffs we have;
Kinotki with 50% 1 turn (which doesn't matter for reason explained above)
Herk with 31% 3 turns
Fucking Blackbeard with 27% 3 turns
the Artoria's with 50% buster damage for 1 turn
And a bunch of other self buffs which are better and have other skills on the servant which aren't shit.
They're lacking the critical star generation of star emblem sure but some of the servants also have other skills which do this for them and 15 stars really isn't that high anyway.
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>>121504017
Yes.
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>>121503841
He is called the strongest AMONGST the Servants. Meaning the current war. Even if you want to go by the headcanon that it means all of them though, Saber Alter entry comes after that one, effectively retconning it.

He is was only the strongest of PROPER heroic spirits, and this was retconned by Karna and a bunch of proper ones being said to be on his level basically.
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>>121504004
You're still doing that "proper hero" shit? Get some new bait.
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>>121503927
Top tier: Lancelot.
Good tier: CasterLiz, Gil, Atalanta.
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>>121504081
That's what the quote says. If anything, you Gilfags are the ones arguing with headcanon, as usual.
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>>121504348
>Gil
>4*
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>>121504004
Stop being such a butthurt faggot, it literally says in that quote he is the strongest SERVANT. Not "proper" Servant, Servant period. He's not invincible and his pride and a few gaps in his tactics can be exploited by hard counters, but in the realm of pure power and ability as a Servant Gilgamesh is unmatched, no matter how much you might not like that.
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>>121503592
>22:50:42
>22:51:29
>47 seconds
>samefag
Anon...
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Tamamo is the cutest servant
Cu Chulainn is the best bro servant
Discuss
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>people actually believe Saber Alter or Gilgamesh are the strongest Servants when Achilles exists
Cute.
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>>121504065
>Kirei knows more than Nasu
Expected from Gilfags.
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>>121504483
Is this the most loyal servant?
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>>121503927
Cumdumpsters
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Where's this 400k people are speaking of? Level 70 pirate sluts with level 20 black grail.
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>>121504106
>14 stars on demand isn't irrelevant.
And somehow 15 stars is?
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>>121504483
Cu is truly the best bro.
And better than most 4* gameplay-wise.
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Big Smoke servant when?!
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>>121504348
What the fuck is Lancelot doing on that team? Drake alone isn't enough to feed him, Hercmeme would be better if you want a Berserker.
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>>121504593
>apocrypha
>canon
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>>121504753
You're doing it all wrong anon, you're supposed to be using Robin Hood.
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>>121504753
Have you done the interlude yet
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>>121504442
>i am retarded and can't read
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>>121504593
Last thread confirmed, official Apocrypha interviews and data book say he's weaker than Heracles

The wank needed to end for him, so people had to actually translate something to finally put a nail in that coffin.

It was always fanon wank overstating him. He's strong, but really not as much as people make it out to be, similar to Lancelot.
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What's the darkness hiding?
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>>121504878
I think you're the one that's retarded here, not that anon
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>>121504825
Drake and Arturia both have Stars on demand skill.
Drake's NP gives stars as an additional effect.
Lancelot's NP provides stars as well.
You need K-scopes for this tactic however
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>>121504245
What do you mean "you". Also, it says it there, proper, what's the bait about it when it's fucking written there?

>>121504467
Strongest AMONGST the Servants. Meaning the ones in that war. And even if it meant what you want it to mean it would still be retconned by the newer Saber Alter entry.

Basically, no matter how you see it, Gilgamesh isn't the strongest, no matter how much you might not like that.
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>>121504778
How is Hector compared to Cu in GO? I haven't rolled him, but I've already brought Cu to 60.

Hector's NP looks so cool
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>>121504857
Forgot about that. Does it really increase the damage that much?
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>>121505128
Hector is meh.
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>>121504975
>similar to Lancelot
But Lancelot can fight Numeral Gawain and that's not even abusing KoH.
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>>121504593
Achilles has a major weakness.
Herc doesn't.
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>>121505038
A super special NP he reserves only for when he fights Enkidu
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>>121505063
You've been doing it for months to bait the Gilfags. Just stop. You're conflating two entries that have nothing to do with each other that I'm pretty sure don't even use the same word in Japanese.
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>>121504832
Exactly.
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>>121504878
>be illiterate
>call other people retarded when they call you out on your retardation
damn you're a dumb nigger
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>>121505176
All of NP interlude give 100% more to the NP modifier, so yes.
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>>121505128
He's an average for a 3*. Comparing him to Cu isn't even fair
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>>121505063
Heracles, Saber Alter, and Gil are all called the strongest. Tamamo, Avenger, and Andersen all call themselves the weakest. It all depends on the situation and the reason for it.
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>>121503216
Thanks anon. I'll work on that tonight
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>Find Medea Lily and she uses attack animations thats akin to how her future self attacks in the VN, Anime and all other adaptations

And yet, the non-Lily Medea doesnt attack like that...oh please, they cant retroactively update her?
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>>121505371
>>121505042

samefag
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>>121505241
Officially Numeral only increases his defensive powers out the ass as far as we know. The wording on it is a bit subjective.

Even if it did increase his power as the way you want to interpret it, Tamamo and EMIYA also held off Numeral Gawain just the same officially with D strength. Also Arthuria was beaten down by Sasaki who had far worse stats than her.

Its not a big feat in a way.

Stats don't mean much, all it meant was that Lancelot was in a battle where he couldn't hurt his opponent for an hour or two, until finally he could.

Stop overshitting this, we have far more absurd feats out there.
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>>121505063
>And even if it meant what you want it to mean it would still be retconned by the newer Saber Alter entry.
Secondary detected. You're cute anon, really, but you're just so fucking stupid. It's explicitly stated that Saber Alter is nothing special compared to Seibah, as far as Servant abilities go. The only reason she was the strongest Servant in the HF route is because her source of mana was Dark Sakura, who had effectively limitless mana to draw on. That meant unlike any other Servant, Saber could spam her Noble Phantasm without any consideration for the drain on her Master and her own mana reserves. And Excalibur, being an Anti-Fortress Phantasm, is a trump card with overwhelming power that accepts a huge mana drain as the trade-off. So removing that drain as a concern makes it an almost insurmountable weapon. Outside of that specific circumstance with that specific master, Saber Alter is nothing special.

Her superiority to Gilgamesh, just like Shirou's, Seibah's, Lancelot's, etc. are all highly situational and requires a lot of deck-stacking in their favor. But as the baseline, Gilgamesh is the strongest Servant. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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>>121505563
Hopefully, along with all the other Servants who have really stale attack animations.
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>>121505294
Who is you? Do you think everyone who doesn't agree with fanwank is one person?
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>>121505586
>called out on being a dumb nigger
>they must be samefagging
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>>121505128
Much worse. Hector is basically only good for his stun skill, but Medusa has a better one once you level it a bit.

His NP is pretty bad but it can do OK if you intend on chaining multiple NPs with Military Tactics.
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>>121505563
Maybe when they hire more than 2 employees
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>>121505563
>Putting effort into 3*s
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>>121505563
Medea is a vanilla servant, she's been ingame as a shadow servant since launch. Maybe one day Delightworks will update the vanillas.
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>>121505681
Stop pretending. Nobody else so thoroughly defends that one single phrase as the end-all-be-all of bullshit powerlevel discussion.
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>>121505563
The real tragedy is Anne isn't even part of Mary's attacks unless you NP and even then her sprite doesn't change to match the art and she doesn't even have the NP to shine for just herself

What the fuck is this lazy ass shit
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>>121505704
>maybe if I keep spamming the same shit he'll fall for it
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>>121505474
Heracles and Gil are both called strongest AMONG/AMONGST the Servants, meaning the current war. Saber Alter is straight up called the strongest Servant.
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>>121505920
Need some dust?
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Stheno or Euryale?
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>>121506052
He does. Didn't you read Okeanos? :^)
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And an anon said the the threads quality improved.

Good joke.
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>>121506052
>Archer Herc not even in the leak lists
>We're getting 3 different Emiya's
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>>121505989
>all this projection
>all this damage controll
>all the backtracking
reread the conversation retard
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>>121505625
Officially Numeral increases the power x3. And he even wrecked Gawain after the buff was gone, further proving that Gawain needs the buff to put a match.
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>>121506040
>He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.
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>>121506174
:^)
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>>121506094
yes, i need it for Lancelot, David and Medusa too
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>>121506295
>FALLACY
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>>121505989
Man, let's look at the initial post:
"Which 4* or lower servants would work well with Drake and Arturia?"
And yours:
"Top tier: Lancelot.
Good tier: CasterLiz, Gil, Atalanta."
Gil is not 4*, that's what the other anon was pointing out.
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>>121506472
It's ok anon, everybody makes mistakes. You can stop shitposting now.
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>>121506472
>still being this retarded
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>>121505650
The reason why she is the strongest Servant is even stated during that entry, because she lost all limits and gained in a way more power than she had in life. The fact that it says without dispute yet you keep arguing this shit only shows how retarded you are.

As the baseline, she is the strongest Servant. Gilgamesh WAS only the strongest of proper heroic spirits, nothing more than that, and currently he isn't even that. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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Is it normal to get this many gold servants as a f2per?
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>>121506052
>Battle Continuation that gives him inmunity to the attack that killed him

Was it that hard DW?
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>>121506621
>>121506698
>>121506760
>getting baited by UNRIVALED fags
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>>121506327
That was also before the Saber Alter entry. Blame Nasu for changing his mind every 10 seconds.
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>>121506843
>The reason why she is the strongest Servant is even stated during that entry, because she lost all limits and gained in a way more power than she had in life.
Literally all because of Sakura. Without limitless mana she's a worthless Servant because of absurd drain her power would require.
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>>121507017
There is no technology for that. Please understand.
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>>121506985
Depends how long you've been playing. The average for week 1 players seems to be around 3 5*s.
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>>121505969
Special Super Duo Servanto to explain why two literal nobodies are 4
Only Loli fights
Seriously DW is One Step Foward Run a Fucking triathlon back
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Just got to Asterios death scene, that was pretty sad, that was like Marie levels of sad for me.
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>>121507035
>I was only pretenting to be retarded
fuck off
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>>121506985
Sure, f2p here
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>>121507216
>projecting
Not even the same guy.
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>>121505893
Guess all the Gilfags, Unrivaledfags, Herkeks, and all the other fags must be one person now.

In fact, I could say that all the Gilfags are one person because they always present the same quote to say Gil is the strongest when he actually isn't.
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>>121507194
Looks like i have less than normal then.
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>>121507194
>The average for week 1 players seems to be around 3 5*s.

Calling bullshit on that since day 1 stockpile is definitely not enough to scratch 800 quartz.

Unless you count rerolled 5*s as rolled 5*s.
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>>121507210
Fluffy finally got what he wanted. Freedom. Sky. Friends. He no longer had to be The Monster

Then Jason fucking ruins everything and Hector makes everything worse by being a Backstabbing Asshole
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>>121506309
Gawain is a tank, his skill isn't bad but with him its mainly about tanking blows and being the king of defense.

Lancelot can't match him in power or defense, but skill probably means a lot more at times. Lancelot is the most skilled in that era.

As we saw in the Arthuria vs Sasaki fight, even against an A class servant, an E rank servant can push her down or beat her even if all he has is skill to rely upon.

Even with the Shirou vs Saber Alter fight, we see that skill means a lot, as one attack practiced over his entire life was able to break through Alter's defense despite being the strongest servant, in a way that she said it was impossible for her to counter after the move started.

Lancelot gets overwanked all the time by shitters who lost sight of what particular strengths he has as they start saying he's absolute in all ways. He's not the strongest, but he's the most skilled of his era, which means a lot in terms of weapon mastery and skill in combat.

Gawain was the only one who took five blows for Galahad to take down as a showing of his defense, but he still went down like the others. Everyone else went down in two or three blows.

Yet again I'll say it since it doesn't seem to have sunk through for you, but Tamamo or EMIYA officially with their skills also survived some rounds against Numeral Gawain. Its not such an impossible thing even if he comes at you like a tank.

His main benefit is being untouchable in battle since its hard to take damage, even though he's still basically Arthuria level even without his buff.

It never said "OMG he recked him after the buff was over" like you said either, or that it was even an easy fight after the buff was gone. It just said that once the buff was gone, he was eventually able to take him down.
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>>121507067
She is still the strongest, anon, just deal with it. Sakura is the reason why she is blackened to begin with.
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>>121507485
We've had well over 400 by now. And then there are tickets.

That should result in an average of 3 5*s.
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>>121507485
3 5* is actually 1200 quarts on average. And yes that's bullshit.
If you've been playing since week 1 you should have 1 5*. If you have more you're pretty lucky, if zero you're unlucky.

Talking F2P of course
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I really should filter the words UNRIVALED and JETS already

They're by far the most annoying guys in these threads.
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>Saber Alter
>A A D A++ C A++
>Magic Resist B, Charisma E, Instinct B, Mana Burst A
>Excalibur Morgan

>Gilgamesh
>B C C B A EX under a shitty Master like Kirei
>Magic Resist E, Independent Action A+, Charisma A+, Divinity B, Golden Rule A, Collector EX
>Ea and Gate of Babylon

>People seriously think Saber Alter, with her dulled Instinct and shitty AGL, can fight Gilgamesh and win
>People think she's actually a better Servant than Arturia despite the nerfs to Instinct and AGL, the former of which is brought up time and time again in the VN, just because she now has STR A
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>>121505241
Lancelot can survive 3x Gawain, probably with Arondight. We don't know the results of the battle. For all we know it could've been a losing fight and Gawain's buff ended right before he could land the killing blow... sound familiar?
It's unknown. Your player can fight 3x Gawain in Extra, too, but they can't harm him and you're really on the defensive.
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>>121507618
400 quartz = 100 rolls
The rate is 1% for a 5* servant.

So the average 5*s per F2P is 1.
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>>121506985
Your CE are shit however,
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>>121507505
All he wanted was to have people call him by Asterios, not Minotaur, and he regretted killing people. The fact that he switches from "ore" to "boku" to make him more innocent killed me inside.
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>>121501418
As if you could.
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>>121506985
Yes
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>>121507703
Blame the Quick-card and star buffs.
>>
Cu with castle NP when? They even recently brought it up in both Apo and Capsule Servant, so it's not like it was a one-off mention.
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Assuming Hakuno loses first round, did anyone else stand a chance at getting past Leo/Gawain?
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>>121508160
>magazine CE
>obviously refunded or whaled
>f2p
why do you feel the need to lie on the internet
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>>121508209
They've been here for months

So no, that isn't it.
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>>121507927
not really.
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>>121508268
That picture is old, why are you falling for bait? It's probably not even his.
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>>121508268
But we're all f2p here
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>>121508264
Cu with Gae Bolg. Lu Bu is pretty buff and Rani probably could have done the sun workaround.
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Why did Hector betray Blackbeard?
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>>121508301
>level 1s all over
FEED YOUR CES
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>>121506985
>>121507228
Some people just have good luck. Mine is only with servants, though.
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>>121508268
Magazine CE doesn't count as it isn't an in-game purchase. Besides it comes with other goodies like the Drama CD and posters. Who am I kidding, no one here knows Japanese
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>>121508264
Rin or Rani have the highest chance possibly, or Twice.

There might be some other types out there we've never seen who were quite strong, but just got into a very unfavorable position early on.

BB as a master or servant is far stronger than anyone as a cheat, even Julius said her planning and oversight are too much, but she only exists on the other side.

Its noted that despite Rani and Rin outranking Leo in some ways, his stats are basically perfect to the point that he could take them both on at the same time and still probably win. They' might be perfect in one area, but he's great in all areas.

Leo might be beaten by Twice in the end still

Hakuno was the miraculous type that could actually overcome the Saver.
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>>121508160
>Level 80 Lizzes, and Tamamo, maxed Kintoki
>Level 15 Mashu, Cu and Robin Hood have barely even been touched

What a disgusting whale you are. Go somewhere else.
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>>121508268
My mother told me I can be anything I want so if I want to be a F2P I'm fucking F2P.
I also count the magazine CE as F2P since I brought the magazine and not the code which was just a neat little bonus.

>>121508373
>Old
>I literally just threw it together
>Implying I didn't level Drake and Lesbians today
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>>121508602
No way you're F2P with 5 5*s and 4 4*s.
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>>121508440
Play the game and find out maybe?
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>All I wanted was Lancelot
>All I wanted was pirate sluts or Drake
>I just want to make a crit team since before the buff
>Game gives me bullshit like Nero, Orion and other useless servants
I'm really close to crying, fuck the gacha and fuck life
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>>121508824
I can't read Korean
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>>121506052
Herakles, if he had God Hand in the way it statistically functions, would be the strongest servant bar none.
He doesn't care about damage. It checks ranks. If the servant doesn't have A rank attack power, or isn't using an A rank ability, it has no effect. Not even debuffs.
And then, he would have 11 stacks of Guts that don't expire.
And then, any attack that triggered a stack of Guts would be rendered near-invalid. (Gameplay terms, probably shift his Berserker weakness to resistance)

Gameplay wise, it'd be crazy. So many heroes would just be stonewalled. And he'd still have all his berserker damage.
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>>121508410
>Rani probably could have done the sun workaround.

Sun workaround required two people acting together to pull it off. Even with that being the case, it still needed Hakuno to get past the barrier in the media lab, since it would have fried the brain of anyone else who tried.

Since Haku isn't connected to a physical body, nothing can burn out on the other side of his soul. This is also the reason he could investigate cracks in the arena in one chapter, only to be told that he was basically betrayed by Rin or Rani by doing this, since he was supposed to have been killed even trying it.
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>>121508835
But Orion is a pretty fun servant, even if she's not the strongest gameplay wise.
Embrace the tits
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>>121507529
>A condition unique to Sir Gawain's existence. During the hours between 9am and 12pm and those between 3pm and sunset, all of his powers increase by a factor of three. This was related to the ancient belief that numeral "3" was the sacred number of the Celtic gods.
It's not just "defense increases", that's just headcanon.

>Lancelot can't match him in power or defense, but skill probably means a lot more at times. Lancelot is the most skilled in that era.
This is obvious, but the fact is that his skill pretty much puts him at the same level of someone as bullshit as Numeral Gawain.

>As we saw in the Arthuria vs Sasaki fight, even against an A class servant, an E rank servant can push her down or beat her even if all he has is skill to rely upon.
The difference in stats between Arturia and Sasaki isn't even close to the one between Lancelot and Numeral Gawain. In fact, Sasaki had higher AGI.

>Even with the Shirou vs Saber Alter fight
This is a good example, shows how skill can achieve bullshit.

>Lancelot gets overwanked
I haven't seen people say he is the best at everything. Even the unrivaled entry makes it clear that it's only skill, but he is way too fucking skilled, many times above Arturia, if it comes down to close combat, most Servants will just die against him.

>Gawain was the only one who took five blows for Galahad to take down as a showing of his defense, but he still went down like the others.
Stop bringing up stuff that's not canon to Nasuverse.

>Yet again I'll say it since it doesn't seem to have sunk through for you, but Tamamo or EMIYA officially with their skills also survived some rounds against Numeral Gawain.
Lancelot survived like 3 hours considering the hours that Numeral is active, ended in such a good shape that he could wreck Gawain afterwards.

>It just said that once the buff was gone, he was eventually able to take him down.
He took him down at nightfall, meaning that it didn't last that much, it was over pretty quick.
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>「……、……、COOL!……COOOOOL!」

What did he mean by this?
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>>121508901
It doesn't take a genius to watch the cutscenes and figure it out.

This game's plot is fanfiction tier.
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Do I single.
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>>121508703
Why would I level Mashu, Cu or Robin when none of them are my waifu?
Why would I even bother using them at all when I had 3 4* servants and a 5* from free rolls before I even left Fuyuki?
Ex rank luck accounts are op desu senpai.
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>>121507717
Materials call her the strongest Servant. Just blame the stupid authors. One would normally think Achilles > Herc, but that's apparently not the case. One would think UBW is just a better GoB, but Nasu says UBW is shit against average heroes and is only annoying.
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>>121508835
Embrace your Emperor anon, she came to you
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>>121504483
>best bro
>not Avenger
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>>121508767
My luck has been ridiculous, I think I've gotten a 5 star with just about every 10 roll. If I paid anything or refunded I'd probably have more 4 stars or some decent CEs, though with Atalanta maybe the tons of Gandrs I get might finally be useful.
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>>121509329
Single roll all of your quartz. Do it.
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>>121509076
Different person, some nitpicks:
>but he is way too fucking skilled, many times above Arturia
He's not that ridiculously above her. He's better, to the point where he overcomes her with Arondight, but without it they're basically even due to Artoria's Instinct shoring up the gap. It's a real cheat skill and Lancelot has nothing like it.
>Lancelot survived like 3 hours considering the hours that Numeral is active
And we don't know when Gawain and Lancelot's fight started or how long it lasted. The excerpt from Extra just says "Lancelot waited until sunset", not what exactly that waiting entailed.
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>>121509251
Nasu only wrote the parts involving Drake, or Drake's lines directly

I think Higishida wrote the rest.
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>>121509362
No.
She's fucking shit and a midget.
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>>121509347
>Materials call her the strongest Servant
"In terms of straightforward attack power" is the exact phrasing use.
Just like Herakles is called the strongest in terms of physical might and fortitude.
Neither of these translate to "most insurmountable in combat".
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>>121509534
Now that's just fucking rude
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>>121509347
>He thinks someone who died like a bitch in the Trojan War should be stronger than Hercules
>He still thinks Alter is the strongest Servant

Just stop.
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I'm making an Extra team.

The lineup is Emiya, Nero, Tamamo, Francis Rider once I summon her ;_;, Caster Elizabeth. Is this a good team?
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>>121509395
>Caster Cu
All I want is a nice 4* like Nero.
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>>121509715
Add robin hood for the nuke NP
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>>121507740
>For all we know it could've been a losing fight and Gawain's buff ended right before he could land the killing blow...
Why the fuck would Gawain suddenly stop moving after the buff is gone?

>sound familiar?
Saber vs Lancelot fight didn't last much more than 10 seconds, and Arturia was pretty much a walking corpse, while Lancelot had to literally stop moving for her to do anything. It's not even remotely the same.
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>>121509347
>One would normally think Achilles > Herc
What?
A child of a nymph who got dunked in a river vs. the greatest son of Zeus and most famous legend in the entire world?
"Herculean" is literally a synonym for "incredible strength".
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>>121509623
That's her Servant page. The Material entry just calls her the strongest and leaves it at that.

>>121509697
Materials say she is, there is nothing I can do about it. Go complain to Nasu.
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>>121509347
>Materials call her the strongest Servant.

"Buh Buh", materials basically call everyone the strongest in some way, they directly called Gilgamesh the strongest existence among servants, meaning all servants, even if no one wants to acknowledge that interview.

They say Alter is the strongest in straightforward power, and nothing more in a sense.

Fate is a series where everyone wears the title "Strongest" and they clash against each other to see who truly deserves it. Lot of people can claim the same title at the exact same time, like how we currently have two servants that claim to be the fastest servant.

They both embody this concept in some ways, fate is a series where everyone holds a concept. This NP may be called strongest, that Np may be called strongest, and then they clash in a conceptual battle.

This is how it works.

This shit is explained dozens of times in games, yet people still have trouble. "Impossible" is a word that comes up a lot with servants, which is immediately followed by them breaking past what's possible.

Nothing is allowed to remain absolute when talking about them.
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>>121499273
Dunno if it's different in Nasu's take on the story, but at least in the Argonautica Medea didn't really go insane. Obviously she did some stuff she wouldn't normally have done, but it's not like she woke up one day and started stabbing people for her husbando. She very seriously deliberated over whether or not she should do anything to help the Argonauts, weighing her feelings for Jason against her life in Colchis and her loyalty to her father. And she might not have done anything at all if she hadn't gotten a second opinion on the matter. And even after that, her love wasn't the sort where she would put Jason before everything else, because right after they'd eloped from Colchis she directly threatens and curses over Jason and the Argo's crew, because she's afraid of being punished by her brother who'd cornered them.
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>>121509913
In terms of NPs, Achilles looks far better than Herc. He actually looks like he can beat Gil, unlike Herc.
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>>121509662
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11DBeBSo1N5e3diF9W8_lg2UmJEv9QKcT4JhdV1zJykU/edit#gid=610227185

She does more damage than Emiya, Gilgamesh and Attila.
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>>121510094
CM3 calls both her and Heracles the strongest in the same area.
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>>121509347
>One would normally think Achilles > Herc
No, I don't think many would think that.
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>power level discussion
thank you for my daily dose /fgog/ I knew you will never let me down!
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>>121510265
He was also summoned in Europe, not too far from Greece actually, and got huge power boosts from it.
If Heracles were in Europe, expect him to boast even greater power on top of additional noble phantasms. (Most obvious one goes to the Pelt of the Nemean Lion to make him even more invincible)
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>>121510193
Who are the two competing for fastest Servant? I'm guessing Achilles because sprinting, but is the other Cu? I remember reading that he's the absolute fastest Servant but only in close-range combat.
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>>121510265
That's Achilles summoned in his backyard, literally where he's strongest, and he's still not even the strongest servant in the war even considering that.

He's got all of the buffs he could ever have, and he's still maybe second place at most.

Meanwhile Heracles was summoned in Japan, in his worst class, and he still was called the strongest servant who broke reality several times.
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>>121509913
>"Herculean" is literally a synonym for "incredible strength"
No. Not literally. It has been derived a bit as such, but herculean is the capacity, usually in terms of strength, skill or other forms of power,, to surmount/overcome obstacles. You know, because that's his legend.
It doesn't, originally at least, translate directly into "strength".

>most famous legend in the entire world
Far from it.
Even in Greek myths, Iliad tends to be the better known story, although the "twelve labors" are known more by name than anything else.
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>>121510421
Didn't we establish way back in the first few weeks that NP damage is in fact affected by what type of card it is?
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>>121510632
It is, yes.
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>>121509410
>At this point he had already completely unleashed his true ability, and his skill with the sword was completely incomparable with his previous level. Even if Saber had been uninjured right now, she might not have been able to withstand that strong momentum.
Looking at her reactions from the first fight, he was already above her in skill even without Arondight. Arondight basically put her in a completely different realm.

>And we don't know when Gawain and Lancelot's fight started or how long it lasted.
Numeral has gaps in between hours. The fight basically had to be between 3 pm to sunset to get the result that it got.
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>>121510592
>and he's still not even the strongest servant in the war even considering that.

To be fair, there's three other Greek heroes in the war and THE Romanian hero. Achilles isn't the only one that got a huge power boost.
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>>121510787
I love my sluts, they're the perfect bridge between Atalanta and Lancelot for my quick team which is now my main team
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>>121510421
Gilgamesh's NP is like double Alter's damage when used against Servants though
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>>121510787
Yes because you will never fight as Anne. Wasted potential: The Servant. Why did they chose the shitty loli instead is beyond me.
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>>121510840
Yet Karna with no buffs is still probably at the top there.

Right after him we have either Achilles or Siegfried perhaps.
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>>121510632
No we established the exact opposite.
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>>121510607
The Odyssey is actually probably more well-known than the Illiad, and Hercules has a lot more movies (including the Disney animated movie, which in and of itself is a huge force for a story's popularity) than the Trojan War has.
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>>121510632
That list is based on level 1 personal skills, interlude boost and level 1 NP (aside from Elizabeth Caster) which is why Sabefaces top the chart.
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>>121510193
>they directly called Gilgamesh the strongest existence among servants
Amongst the Servants, pretty much what Heracles was called too. It's among the ones on the current war.

>They say Alter is the strongest in straightforward power, and nothing more in a sense.
Servant page does, Material says she is just the strongest without dispute.
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>>121510592
>That's Achilles summoned in his backyard, literally where he's strongest
But that's wrong anon.
And you should feel bad for it.
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So, according to bl, Drake
Found Atlantis that reappeared, because Poseidon caused a maelstorm with in the center
Took away the grail that Poseidon used to repower himself, so Atlantis sank again
Used it to have endless food and water for treasure hunting
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>>121511116
You keep repeating the same things no matter how many ways people say they're wrong.

Where are you even pulling this "among the ones in the current war" thing from, your ass?
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>>121510947
She's not a loli.
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>>121510485
Just calls them the strongest, no area specified.
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>>121510947
Yeah but then we're be saying why Mary doesn't attack, when really if DW weren't useless shits, it should be them trading off attacks, or something. Anne for Buster, Mary for Quick, both for Arts, something like that.
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>>121511116
>Refers to Gil or Herc as strongest
>That's only in that specific war, though!
>Refers to Alter as strongest
>This means compared to every servant, EVER!
Do you not see how dumb you're being right now?
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>>121510947
Being salty: The post.
Shit taste: The post.
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>>121510927
No, even that since the list counts personal skill. Gil wins however once his interlude upgrade is out.
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>>121510567
Cu is one of them, he is one of the 3 fastest servants - at least if Archer is correct about what he said and isn't just baiting the dog

He's always been called one of the fastest servants, from the start when there was just F/SN to even now when you have people like Achilles who has a NP that is running really fast
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>>121510607
>It doesn't, originally at least, translate directly into "strength".
To describe a person as herculean is an adjective painting them as both large and powerful.
>Far from it.
>Even in Greek myths, Iliad tends to be the better known story
No, it really isn't. It's well known far into non-english speaking nations (Nasu and Takeuchi agreed that Heracles was the most famous when they were writing the original prototype Fate/Stay Night, even, so whether it's factually true in life, it's basically true for the Nasuverse), and the Illiad itself references Heracles, hell, the man himself shows up in the Odyssey. The name "Hercules" is still equally a term in english speaking nations to rhetorically refer to someone strong, like "Einstein" to someone smart.
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>nasu has no idea what the fuck he's doing and calls everybody THE STRONGEST for dramatic effect
>people still try to argue with reason
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>>121511319
I would've been content with Mary for all attacks, and Anne for the entire NP.
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>>121511313
>>121510947
Literally taller than Nero.
The cards art is just fucked.
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>>121511116
He's the strongest thing period, sated both in-story and in the materials more than once. Both Heracles and Alter are called the strongest in the same book. Stop trying to make it look like it's singling Alter out.
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>>121510592
They said he was pretty much on par with fucking Karna though. Although the same was said about Vlad.
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>>121510947
>didn't make an unique attack animation for Anne
>make one for Medea lily

I bet Koyama requested it so it had to be done.
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Who is the strongest Master that isn't BB?
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>>121511451
Yeah, Anne just doing a single/one/(1) shot is stupid.
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>>121511592
Hakuno
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>>121511390
Pretty much
Every servant is the strongest until they lose for plot reasons.
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>people using 10 years old quotes to prove who's the strongest
>new, stronger servants were released in recent works so those quotes have no longer any validity
>people still act like they do
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Alterfags are worse than Gilfags, how did it come to this.
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>>121511496
Almost everyone is taller than Nero. Nero is goddamn tiny. Even as an adult she's shorter than Arturia.
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>>121511592
Not counting Servant Masters, Dark Sakura, Illya, and Kayneth in that order. Manaka may go in front or behind Dark Sakura.
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>>121510247
Well GO Medea has a quote when affection is high enough
"Perhaps if my brother was more like you...nevermind' Something near this meaning
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>>121511697

I blame the HF movie.
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>>121511390
Learn how Fate works

This entry pretty much summarizes it in a way. Two fighters come together exemplifying a concept, a spear that will never fail to hit, a shield that will always protect, they attack, the concepts clash, we get some conceptual porn, and a result is created. One might come on top, or maybe neither will.

Its like that old proverb about what happens when the strongest spear and strongest shield hit each other.

More than one hero can hold the title of strongest, its only when they clash that a result can be shown.

In their era they really were the strongest, that's not a question, its the reason they have that title after all. What happens if we take all legends from all ages, each one the strongest from its own age, and clash them against each other.
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>>121511697
>Alterfags
>Plural

It's literally just one guy who's probably just been trolling us from the beginning.

Remember when it was called "trolling" and not "baiting?" I miss that. It was better.
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>>121511298
>"among the ones in the current war"
Not that anon but if it was in the VN it's likely a subjective take on it. Even servants can't gauge everything perfectly, sometimes including their own state.
If a character calls someone the strongest, than what is -s/he- basing it on?
I can't think of any character with any credibility on this matter.

Materials tend to be another matter entirely, in that it is not written in a narrative way.

That said, I doubt Alter can be considered the strongest unless you couple her with an unlimited mana battery, and even then I'd still have doubts.
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>>121502990
That's one of the things I like the most too, that he retains his status as the strongest servant even in this game.

You can't even get him anymore, although he might come back later, there's still that.
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>>121511592
Kiara.
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>>121511925
Wrong image, you're talking about Gae Bolg vs Rho Aias but you posted the Hrunting thing from Hollow.
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>>121511595
That's pretty much how she and Stheno rolls
Stheno is just more elegant all Classy about it while Euryale loves playing the impish little sister card
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So is the Medusa sister trying to bang Fluffzerker or something?
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>>121511390
Yeah, this. And this is also Nasu just fucking around with the material he's made. Dude has no control over how crazy strong servants are in series written by other authors. See: Fragments (coughOZZYcough), Strange Fake.
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>>121511925
>learn how fate works
Nasu doesn't think ahead. Half of his writing in all of the novels is nothing but powerwanking some new mysterious servant with a deadly aura and unbeatable attacks or tactics. Until they die for whatever plot and then it's time to forget the past and move on to the next incredible servant
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I NEED Nero.
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>>121511298
But they can say all they want, they can't prove it's wrong, they can just say it's wrong because they don't like it. Kinda like EMIYAfags bitching about UBW not being as good as they want.

>>121511326
Gil and Herc both are said "among the Servants", Saber Alter is just the strongest without dispute, no among to be seen anywhere.

>>121511498
He isn't, and in materials is actually only stated once, that he is the strongest pretty much of the proper heroic spirits only. Heracles is called the strongest among the Servants like Gil is, and Alter is just called the strongest, no area is specified for either, stop being delusional.
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>powerlevel discussion

So why did Alter restart the Grail War after everything went to shit in Fuyuki?
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>>121512213
They become Friends somehow
Maybe Fluffy's quiet isolationist nature reminds her of Medusa and they hit off from that
>>121512247
Fragments has the excuse of Alternate Universe so it can go as crazy as it wants
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>>121512213
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>>121511592
Ultimate bullshit tier
>BB
>Kiara

Super tier
>Ilya
>Hakuno
>Manaka

High tier
>Rin
>Rani

Mid tier
>Waver

Low tier
>Shirou
>Hakuno early on

That's a semi sensical chart perhaps, with a lot of gaps.
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>>121512376
something something Solomon something grand orders
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>>121512376
because david's son
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>>121510193
One could say Gilgamesh doesn't deserve the title of "Strongest" because he's incapable of taking shit seriously when it counts.
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>>121512369
Where in the world did you get the idea that the the proper heroic spirits thing in Gil's entry was the same as that of the anti-hero entry? They have nothing to do with each other.
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>>121512369
"Among the Servants" can mean among ALL Servants and not just the ones in Fuyuki, you know.
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>>121512247
He had plenty of control over Strange Fake, it was a collab where Nasu and Narita were totally in cahoots (much like Fate/Zero).
Nasu kept prodding Narita to get even more crazy, in fact. Every time he wanted to stop because it was getting over-the-top, Nasu said go even further.
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>>121512470
Kiara loses some points, since in five out of the six routes her plan fails spectacularly.

BB's plan wins, but she does not find the result she wanted right after that, and it ends up losing out right after. She could not control the results she found.
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>>121512508
Except he does take shit seriously, like how it happened in CCC, and how it will happen in Strange Fake.
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>>121512480
>>121512495
oh god Solomon is gonna be Gil Tier Wank isn't he? Look at me convicing EVERYONE to Dance to my Tune
At Least Medea Lily didn't and had her face punched in to obey
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>>121512213
Yes
She is gonna have a bad time riding that bulldick
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What should I buy to get past high risk error?
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>>121512689
This

People bitch, saying Nasu has no control, when he's the one watching over every series going on in his franchise telling them to go further with it, have fun, be crazy.

He's a guy that more so wants to have fun with his stuff.
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>>121512480
>>121512495
Neat.

Does she mention anything about him before disappearing,or did Nasu just leave it at "mysterious" foreshadowing
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>>121512816
>lolidom on fluffy
it feels so right
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how good is david in comparison to other three stars?
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>>121512689
Yeah I'm probably should have worded that better about Strange Fake. Regardless this kinda just reaffirms the fact that Nasu does not give a shit about power-levels. He just want's shit to get crazy. Hence him calling every other servant THE STRONGEST.
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>>121512213
Euryale allegedly kisses Gudao/Gudako near the end of the order though. I thought Asterios was the son of the Bull of Crete, not the Bull of Cvck
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>>121511945
but anon, trolling literally is baiting
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>>121512904
>He's a guy that more so wants to have fun with his stuff.
>and then the western fandom took them out of context and make it a super powerlevel wank
Nice going.
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>>121512631
Why don't they have to do anything with each other? Because Gilfag said so? It says PROPER for a fucking reason, idiot.

>>121512642
My reasoning that among means the ones in Fuyuki comes from Herc entry, like Gil's, it says AMONG the servants, but makes it clear that ISN'T the strongest heroic spirit, yet he is still the strongest AMONG the Servants.
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>>121512990
Both are Virgins thought
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>>121512738
>and how it will happen in Strange Fake.
Heh, can't wait to see the reactions of Gilfags when he gets BTFO for not using EA against True Archer.
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Reminder for the freedomdwellers who recently opened the general that the friendlist spreadsheet was reset today, since not everybody checks the OP every time. Even if you are 50/50 friends at least add a short entry so others can tell you're from /fgog/
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>>121511595
Is she in the FP gacha?
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>>121513218
Both of which are word choices chosen by the translator. They're entirely different in Japanese.

The same lines by a different guy:

>Gilgamesh could be called the Servant-Killer. Normal Heroes were no match to this man. Without a doubt the strongest amongst the Servant ranks.

>Rider and Caster are not true Heroic Spirits, but they are not true anti-heroes either.
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>he's the strongest, this material said so
>nooo she is the strongest, it says so right here
>in a series were the weak can defeat the strong given the right circumstances
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>>121513218
>this stupid idiot still trying to defend his shitty statements based entirely on an english word that is not even what was written in the original japanese text, and even if the translation was correct, it still means nothing but refuses to accept it

Why are you all even trying with this retard? Just ignore him.
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>>121513186
I have a lot of fun with powerlevels though.
I remember agreeing with some anons that Cu VS Achilles would be the best fucking fight ever.
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>>121513127
Yeah, but the old troll shops were better and more creative than a lot of the endless bait variants.
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Medusa x Eurayle x Stheno
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>>121513813
There is one.

Not translated though.
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>>121512508
Gilgamesh only has the strongest Noble Phantasm. For example, Arturia, Herakles and Cu Chulainn are clearly stronger than him.

I can't understand how retards are still unable to realise that even for Gil, spamming Enuma Elish all day isn't the most normal thing to do.
>oh, I have a fight! ENUMA ELISH EVERYTHING!

Seriously zero secondaries, fuck off already.
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>>121513813
Add Vore and you have Devil Medusa in a nutshell
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>>121513749
I personally like to see how he BS's around stuff. It's sort of fun when they really get too far into to back down without shattering their pride.
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>>121513718
I forget how this argument started, but it was probably UNRIVALED fags.
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>>121513918
Except he also has plenty of extremely strong Noble Phantasms in GoB, as evidenced by the fight Saber in the Fate route where he literally just swings a weapon with a different, devastating effect at her each time he attacks.
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Where can I get purple dust? Just got my first 5* Atila and I need 13 of those.
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>>121513665
Yes.
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>>121513669
Normal, proper, true, same shit, the result is still the same. Not being true Heroic Spirits means that they are not normal, therefore falling outside Gil's list.

The fact that Gil has a "normal" or "proper" in his line shows something, that he is not the strongest of all, otherwise that word wouldn't have been said.
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>>121514134
Shadow Servants.
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>>121514134
It drops from read the OP
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>>121513937
Based entirely on his posts (which are very obvious to spot through the entire thread) he is probably not going to back down nor accept that he is just wrong.

The argument ratio is pretty much 10:1 with 1 being that one retard the only one that pretty much refuses to accept what the other 10 have already stated.

It's just useless to even try to convince him, so it's better to ignore him.
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>>121514134
It's the most common CE in the game, you'll have thousands just doing the Ascension material dailies, it's the most common drop from Shadow Servants.
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>>121514134
They can drop from any Shadow Servant. The best place to get them are the Ascension Daily. When there isn't one, then any Free Quest with a Shadow Servant. Drop rate sucks on those though. If you can wait until the daily it'll be faster.
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>>121513749
But it is in the japanese text.

>even if the translation was correct, it still means nothing
That was funny, so, even if he is correct, he isn't, because anon doesn't want to accept it. That's one of the most stupid stuff I have read today.
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>>121514168
The line is literally there to hint at Archer's existence as his hard counter, stupid. Emiya can't be summoned under normal circumstances and is not a Heroic Spirit, but his ability is perfectly suited to countering Gilgamesh despite the latter being far stronger on paper. You're reading too much into it.
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>>121514168
>The fact that Gil has a "normal" or "proper" in his line shows something, that he is not the strongest of all,

It says proper servants at first, but then later clarifies "The strongest existence of servants, the greatest of their ranks". So that you can't just pawn it off with that excuse, they do say ALL servants.
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>>121514087
Missing the point again. Sweet jesus you're an idiot.

Gilgamesh is only strong thanks to his treasury, he's subpar in actual combat compared to Arturia, Emiya, Heracles, Cu Chulainn, etc.

They even plain say it in the goddamn novel. By himself, Gilgamesh can be a demigod or whatever, the first Heroic Spirit if you want, but he isn't the strongest rival.
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>>121514168
No. That's not how it works. Words have different meanings depending on context. They don't all mean exactly what you want hem to mean.The context is clear, but you're trying to shoehorn your anti-Gilfag self into it too hard. Try again.
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>Finish the 5-part 80 AP story quest in the maelstrom
>Level up from the last part, AP refills

I just want to take a break.
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>>121514657
>This character would be shit without all of their strengths!
No shit ya dip. And Gil got retconned to being able to fight nearly on Enkidu's level without his treasury
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>>121514979
That just says Enkidu's kinda shit at melee too.
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Does anybody have the links to the .apks that have different icons and shit? I remember them being posted a while back, but I'm not sure when.
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>>121514531
>Emiya can't be summoned under normal circumstances
Neither can Medusa and Medea

>>121514640
Among the Servants, something that was said for Heracles too, but it's made clear that Heracles also isn't the strongest Heroic Spirit. They have to clarify that Gil is the strongest among the current ones because there are 3 non "Normal" or "Proper" Servants in the 5th.

Anyways, even if you were correct with your Gilwank, the Alter entry pretty much retcons it and makes her the strongest, without dispute. So it's irrelevant to keep arguing over that shit.
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>>121514503
>But it is in the japanese text.
Yeah, show me.

Nice samefagging, retard.

I said, even if the word "among" was correct for the original Japanese equivalent (which I'm pretty sure it isn't anyway) it still doesn't mean what he is trying to make the others accept, that "among" is "only referring to the "current servants in fuyuki" just because he says it. For me, and I'm pretty sure every other anon in this thread, "among" is used here to refer to all the servants, not just "the ones in fuyuki" because I just fucking want it to be that meaning.

Try to comprehend what is written before posting something stupid, retard.
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Mashu is my daughteru!
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>>121515152
>Neither can Medusa and Medea
And Medusa defeats Saber Alter.
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>>121515150
check pastebin or archives
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>>121514657
>Gilgamesh is only strong thanks to his treasury

He's also fairly strong at gauging people, telling their strengths and weaknesses, or reading them like a book. Basically he's good at observing and figuring people out, as shown as well by him being good at chess.

None of this is that helpful unless you have a strong weapon to apply it with perhaps, which is why this trait in combination with his GoB is a monstrous combo. He's not a fighter like most of the others, who is skilled in the sword, but he excels in some ways as a ruler due to the trait listed above.
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>>121514739

>tfw the last time you leveled up was during the dango event.
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>>121490639
>you are given 4 free tickets once you finish the story
> first 3 are guaranteed 3* , 4*, 5* servant roll
> last one is guaranteed mashu
I'm home senpai
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>>121514739
>don't get ap refills anymore from levels
>dont want to use my apples
I'm gonna be in Okeanos for a long time.
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>>121491727
Blue/10
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>>121515327
Where was that against Unrivaled then?
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>>121515302
your daughteru dresses like a slut, you make a terrible fatheru
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>>121514695
Explain why the fuck was the word normal or proper put there if it means nothing as you want it to be then?

It's made clear that shit like Medusa and Medea are not "true" or "proper" Servants, and it's made clear Gil is only the strongest of "normal" or "proper" Heroic Spirits.
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>>121515152
>He is the strongest character in both Fate/stay night and Fate/Zero.

Stop spouting about retcons when CM3 says the same thing abut Heracles as it does Alter:

>Being close to the strongest Heroic Spirit, even restricted to simple direct melee as consequence of Mad Enhancement, Heracles was undoubtedly the strongest among the Servants.
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>>121515508
Doesn't For Someone's Glory block any attempts at reading him?
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>>121515603
I let her dress herself
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>>121515302
Will you please let me have her as my personal fucktoy, Mr.?
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meme rolls got me Dragon Dick Saber and Hector
I know Hector is pretty bad,but how is Sieg after the last patch?Still kinda shitty or?
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>>121515831
Only if you truly love her and marry her.
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Who Saberface here?
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>>121515898
He's amazing. The strongest Servant.
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>>121515615
Different fucking context. In Gil's entry, it's just a meaningless descriptor. Like "No proper man forgets to hold a door for a lady." That's different from "An intersex man cannot be called a proper man nor a proper woman."
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>>121515898
Rejoice you now have the shittiest 4*
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>>121515898
Sieg is sleeper OP, don't let anyone here tell you otherwise because they are wrong.
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>>121515150
You mean those with the lancelot, gil and attila icons?
I made the new versions, I can upload them if you want.
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>>121515898
Still sub par, DW pls help this dragon dick
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>>121515898
Well he is still both cute as fuck and practically completely useless.
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>>121515898
Sieg will be subpar until Jeanne Alter and PvP are both things. He'll be better on a Jeanne Alter team but he'll also be the ideal counter for such a team.
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So wait the only way to upgrade NPs after full ascending Servants and making out their active and passive skills is to hope to memeroll another one?

Even Rage of Bahamut wasn't this jewy until they introduced super evolutions for skill boosts.
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>>121515680
That quote is also before the CM3, meaning retconned.

>Stop spouting about retcons when CM3 says the same thing abut Heracles as it does Alter:
Heracles entry makes it clear that he is the strongest AMONG the Servants, but isn't the strongest Heroic Spirit. Saber Alter isn't called the strongest among anything, she is just called the strongest without dispute.
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>>121516229
Their version of help will probably be just releasing Sieg who will have better stats. It hurts but this is probably what will happen.
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>>121516408
Upgrading NPs isn't a particularly necessary or useful function
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>>121516224
Yeah, those ones.
If it isn't a bother, I'd appreciate it a lot.
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>>121516408
Yeah, but you don't have to do it. You can beat the game fine with Lv 1 NPs.
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>>121516527
too soon
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>>121516457
>It means this because I say it does. Totally.
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>>121516551
It's not necessary but it is super useful. Go compare a Saber Alter with a level 1 NP to one with a level 2 NP, see the difference.
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>>121516590
No problem.
You'll have to wait around an hour till they're uploaded, though, my connection is slow.
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>>121516457
>CM3, meaning retconned
You do realize CM3 isn't completely canon in and of itself, right? It's deuterocanon at best. It was written by the Techgian team, Nasu just oversaw and answered Q&A.
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>arguing with the autist

Did you not learn your lesson with the Achillesfag /fgog/?
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>>121516103
>In Gil's entry, it's just a meaningless descriptor.
And what do you have to base or support that conclusion? Headcanon? Sorry, that's not how it works. The word is there for a reason, if you think that's a meaningless descriptor based on nothing, I can say any statement saying X is the strongest is also just a meaningless descriptor.
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Making a new thread
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Hector is such a cool ojisan.
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>>121516906
We're still like 70 posts early for that.
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>>121515729
Not sure how that protects his identity.
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>Still desperately rolling for Drake
>Roll Jeanne
T-thanks.
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[email protected]
can anyone send me a drake account
450+ quartz down the drain
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>>121516817
I guess Zero isn't canon either now.
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You're tearing me apart Euryale
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>>121516906
we're at least 2 hours too early for that
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>>121517064
It isn't. :^)

But seriously, Nasu fucking outlined what would happen in Zero for Uro, and they worked out all the details together. As opposed to CM3 being more along the lines of Nasu doing a once-over of the material after it was written.
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>>121517064
Nasu already said so, in so much as 'canon' truly matters. Zero is a different universe than Fate/Stay Night. They're separate reflections in the Kaleidoscope.
Very similar, but distinctly wrong in some certain esoteric circumstances.
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>>121516817
If Materials aren't canon that means neither of the statements that say that Gil is the strongest of proper heroic spirits and that he is the strongest character of Zero and FSN were ever canon either.

The more you Gilfags keep arguing, the more you drown yourselves.
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>>121516408
>making out their active and passive skills
?

You can level skills anytime, if you mean the Rank(A,B,C etc) that's fixed.
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>100 posters
ded gaem
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>>121517385
>Nasu said so
Citation needed.
>distinctly wrong in some certain esoteric circumstances
Such as?
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>>121516881
It's called reading comprehension, especially when looking at both translations. Neither of them imply it's talking about a classification of heroes, and the fact that the word choice doesn't even match in Japanese shows there is specifically nothing to correlate the two entries. Is the context of proper the same in the two random sentences I thought up? No.
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>>121517050
I swear Jeanne is set up as some kind of "You tried" summon.

>roll for Gil
>Jeanne
>roll for Kintoki
>Jeanne

Either that or the game is trying to tell me to waifu her or something.
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>>121517385
Nasu didn't say that though, I have seen the quote and it doesn't mean what you are saying at all. All it mean is that people shouldn't go watch UBW expecting Zero again, as they are different works, that's pretty much it.
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>>121517432
You're being deliberately obtuse at this point.

He's saying CM3 specifically isn't canon because it wasn't as tightly controlled by Nasu as most other Materials.
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>>121516551
Level 1->2 NP upgrade is a huge buff, the others not so much
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>>121515480
Not like any events will be coming for the next 2 weeks.
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>>121517472
>You can level skills anytime, if you mean the Rank(A,B,C etc) that's fixed.
Not anymore!
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>>121517520
Mostly Saber's recounting of the battle at the bridge in... Fate route, I think? And the fact that Kiritsugu didn't actually kill Kayneth the way Kirei said he did in HF.
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>>121517367
>direct prequel to F/SN
>not canon
Okay
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>>121517595
The fact that you think it is a meaningless descriptor is entirely headcanon and there is nothing you can do about it. The word is there for a reason, but I can say anyone being the strongest is just a meaningless descriptor if you want.
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>>121517857
I was being about 80% facetious.

Besides, the events as we see them in Zero and the events that we're told about the 4th war in FSN don't completely match up, as mentioned >>121517836, and the quote about "different world" could also very much be taken as a figurative way of describing the different writing styles of each Fate/ work. Plus Case Files.
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Are drops pre-determined or can I close the app during a battle and relaunch to get favorable class exp.
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>>121518201
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>>121517907
Me, I just need the hearts
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>>121518201
Drops are decided as soon as you load the battle. Can't change them.
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>>121517907
>Jew is 3*
>Noble Aryan Arash is a mere 1*
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>>121518151
Your entire point was that it was talking about anti-heroes and such other divided Heroic Spirits. It's not, so you're clinging to the idea that it means something. What exactly does it mean?
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>>121518257
>David needs hearts
>Drake need hearts
>Tamamo needs hearts
Fuck this shit.
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>>121517638
Were the previous materials written by Nasu? If not, they are as invalid as CM3 according to him.
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>>121517787
What makes this cat so likeable?
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>>121517520
I'm struggling to find the exact quote, but it was Nasu describing the relationship between Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha, and Fate/Strange Fake, saying the first two are almost perfectly similar (but not quite), Apoc is similar with different circumstances at the third war, and Strange Fake is completely different altogether.

Anyone else have that quote? I would've found it through the /a/rchive.. if it didn't die.
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>>121518379
It is talking about that though. They aren't true or proper, hence not normal. Those can't even be normally summoned. And Gil entry says he is only the strongest of normal or proper Heroic Spirits.

You not wanting to accept they are talking about the same doesn't mean it doesn't. Like I said, the word is there for a reason.
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>>121518604
The right amount of evil and cuteness.
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>>121517907
>David will never hum to you in your sleep
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>>121518604
It's the tail.
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>>121517907
>david needs a total of 6 hearts for his ascensions
why
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>>121518826
As somebody else said much earlier, the word is there to allude to EMIYA not normally being able to be summoned as a Servant.
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>>121518826
Again, different word choices in Japanese. If it was the same thing, it would be the same there as well.

He's the strongest of all Heroic Spirits. That's his thing. Everything on the throne is a Heroic Spirit. Only things that are not inherently Heroic Spirits fall outside of that.
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>>121517907
>get his bond level to 3
>loses his line about massaging him
Why is this allowed?
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>>121519123
Medea and Medusa also can't be summoned because they are not proper. Still, it is clarified that he is still the strongest among those summoned, despite the fact that there are 3 non proper Servants in the war. Being non proper doesn't automatically mean you are stronger than Gilgamesh.
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>SUPER SUCCESS
>David goes from 11 to 30 and probably wasted a whole bunch of exp
neat
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>>121519116
>King of God's chosen people eats the hearts of other peoples' gods to grow stronger
Honestly it makes perfect sense.
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>>121518604
Your male urge to breed with her
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Which one is Mary and which one is anne?
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>>121516405
Dragon Witch
Charisma
Master Atk Spell
Chain- George Ascalon- L Groundment d Haine- BALMUNGGGGGG
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>>121519463
Anne is the busty blonde. Mary is the little white haired shit.
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>>121519415
Isn't it rather than them not being proper but the original grail system didn't allow for evil spirits to be summoned?
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Are Horseshoes farmeables now?
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>>121519540
Thanks anon
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>>121519582
Apparently
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>>121519316
>Again, different word choices in Japanese. If it was the same thing, it would be the same there as well.
Why would it?

>He's the strongest of all Heroic Spirits
Strongest of normal/proper heroic spirits, sorry, as much as you don't like it, that's what he is. The word is there to make something clear, it's not a meaningless descriptor as you want it to be.
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>>121519415
This is true. I think the most important thing to take away from the whole deal is that Gilgamesh is basically an existence in the Fate franchise whose role is "the final boss that can't be overcome naturally." You can't take him on with raw power, because his skillset is constructed to be the ultimate Servant-destroyer. You have to game the system or outright cheat, like Shirou, Saber w/Avalon, and the Shadow did, to take him on.
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>>121519415
The thing with Medea and Medusa has largely been ignored in most non-Fuyuki Grail Wars, similarly to the "Assassin can only be Hassan" thing. Both of those rules got shot to hell by Apocrypha summoning Jack the Ripper as Assassin using the untainted Fuyuki grail.
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>>121519582
Yeah.
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So are Asterios and Euryale a thing now? Or is it just JP Artists shipping them when their relationship is platonic/Herc+Ilya tier?
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>rolled loli and big girl pirates
>can't play as the titty monster
Who allowed this?
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>>121519425
That sounds kinda Aztec to me. Yahveh is quite hardcore regardless of that.
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Which waifu has the most devoted fanbase?
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>>121519659
Not even that, anon. Remember Saber Alter statement. It's pretty much retconned, whatever the fuck it meant.
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>>121519857
>Still holding out hope that they change it someday even though I know it's futile

Anne's NP sprite doesn't even change for fucks sake
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>>121517787
>>121518604
>>121518835
>>121519023
[x] Touch fluffy tail
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>>121519659
You're trying to connect two entries that have nothing to to with each other. For them to be connected, the word choice should be the same between them.
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>>121519659
Read >>121519415

You're pretty much getting BTFO every time but you still refuse to accept you're wrong.

If we do accept it meant something, then those "abnormal" servants do still apply for gilgamesh, as he is stronger than them.

If we don't accept what you're saying, Gilgamesh was still stated to be the strongest of them all, so you pretty much get rekt either way.

Just fuck off.
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>>121517787
True. Still only the active skills though.
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so evil
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>do 3 10 rolls
>get 1 Drake, 1 Jeanne, 2 Butt pirates, and 1 Marie

Did I beat the devil out of the gacha?
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>>121520142
>>121520336
I want to make her pussy purr.
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>>121491270
Not him but thank you for doing this anyway. Just hope he's still alive...
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>>121520349
Get banned refunder.
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>>121520142
Playing around with Atalanta's lower half would be pretty fun, you have her pussy, ass and tail to fondle, all three of which are probably erogenous zones

Not to forget her ears up top
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>>121519754
No, this only shows how old statements shouldn't be taken that seriously now that new shit is released. Remember that before, you couldn't summon gods, now fucking Orion and Artemis are around, and Thor in Prisma.

Also, even before all the new Servants were revealted, we know of some that would be too strong now, like for example, Servant Xian. Nasu said he would be too strong, despite the fact that Gilgamesh was in the Zero war.
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>>121520453
When I said that the one refunder's inventory size gave him away the other day, I didn't mean just the fact that he had an increased inventory size, I meant the fact that he had fucking 200 on both.
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>>121520560
What abotu her small sensitive breasts, her neck and shoulder blades, and navel?
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>>121520640
Literally none of his cards have NEW. He's a piece of shit refunder.
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>>121520601
Gods still wouldn't be allowed in most Grail Wars unless you summon Orion again and Artemis proceeds to break the system. Stheno and Euryale are the real anomalies in Grand Order.

And we still have no idea exactly what's going on in the process of making cards in Prisma.
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>>121520601
Gods can't be summoned. it's just happening anyway just because.
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>>121520349
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>>121516590
Here you are.

Fate/AUO
This has a Gil icon and installs as com.aniplex.fategrandorderAUO
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3sqUVKKkyuEZklmQnVMckZ3VHM

Fate/JET
This has an Unrivaled icon and installs as com.aniplex.fategrandorderJET
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3sqUVKKkyuEdVZ6UGtMcGlSZU0

Fate/RAY
This has an Attila icon and installs as com.aniplex.fategrandorderRAY
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3sqUVKKkyuEWGk1aVo5Tld2UDg

All of them come with a modified splash logo.

Presented by pastebin/dropmap anon.
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>>121519875
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>>121519724
I don't think you understand the point. I just said that being non proper doesn't mean you win against Gil by default, he can still be stronger than you even if you are non proper, but there is no way to know until you fight him or something is said about it because you fall outside what Gil is stronger by default.

>>121520276
Anon, those 2 posts, are both from one person, me. You are saying I BTFO myself. You probably didn't understand what I meant.

What I meant is that he is the strongest of normal heroic spirits, BUT, not being normal doesn't mean that you are by default stronger than Gilgamesh.
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>>121516038
But senpais can't love and marry kouhais.
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>>121521248
> SouthAmericanServants
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>>121521695
u wot m8
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>>121521483
What the fuck do you even mean by not normal? Something like gods and Pale Rider? If so, of fucking course because they're not Heroic Spirits. He'll still beat them because gods are going to be nerfed as Servants, so GG Enkidu. If you mean anti-heroes, they're still heroic spirits.
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>>121521105
Won't this get me DING DONG BANNU?

>>121520821
But the fact is, they can now be summoned, even though it was said you couldn't before.

>>121521046
>Gods can't be summoned
>Gods got summoned
Come on anon. Even shit like fucking Disease is a Servant now. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Servant ORT at this point.
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>>121521105
Thank you so much, anon.
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>>121521869
He sure as fuck didn't beat Disease in Strange Fake.
When that thing showed up he hit it with an Enuma Elish and ran the fuck away.
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>>121520767
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>>121521978
No, these are completely clean apks.

>>121521980
You're welcome.
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>>121521869
Gods aren't even fucking Heroic spirits and neither is Pale Rider. By non normal I mean shit like Medea, Medusa, Gilles, EMIYA and a few others.

In the case of Anti-heroes, they are heroic spirits, but they are not normal ones.
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>>121522098
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>>121522098
sauce please
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>>121521978
>I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Servant ORT at this point.
Nah. That one comes up in Strange Fake, not as a character, but as a goal.
You couldn't possibly summon something like an ultimate one. Else Jester would've just done that.
Even if Arcueid shows up, you can bet it will be just like Fate/Extra; she's here because she wants to be, not because anyone called her.
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>>121521978
I don't think you get the point. The rule still exists. It's just being subverted for the Grand Order summoning system for a yet untold reason. Roman even goes as far to explain why they cannot be summoned, but there are there's Stheno for some random reason.
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>>121522074
What? Pale Rider doesn't arrive until after they both fuck off.
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>>121522245
Set -
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=52773505

Translated -
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2876213

http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2878624
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>>121521978
>But the fact is, they can now be summoned, even though it was said you couldn't before.

In this one, specific instance. It's not necessarily true for all Grail Wars. Besides, Artemis STILL isn't summoned. Orion is summoned, but Artemis tags along from wherever she and other gods are. She summons herself, basically, and isn't REALLY a Servant.
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>>121522258
>You couldn't possibly summon something like an ultimate one.
That's what was said about Gods, and now look at the shit we have to deal with now.
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>>121522245
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>>121522573
Ultimate Ones are a level so far above gods it's not even funny, especially an utterly alien one like ORT. Summoning Arcuied MIGHT be possible if you break a lot of rules and abuse a lot of loopholes, but ORT is completely and unquestionably out of the realm of possibility.
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>>121522197
Yet again, the anti-hero entry has nothing to do with the Gilgamesh entry. If you want to connect the two, show some kind of proof.
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I hope you all are spending a great weekend with your waifus
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I fucking love cat
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>>121522573
Name gods that have been summoned in proper holy grail wara, protip: you can't.
Artemis is summoned in FATE system because she tags along with orion, she even only uses orions stats instead of her own abilities.
Thor is summoned in prisma though cards because the cards aren't following normal frail rules as far as we can tell so far.
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>>121522959
Thanks, you too anon.
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>>121522604
Great with pasta.
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Carmilla or Hassan?
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>>121523163
Hassan
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>>121523036
S&E are both goddesses and get summoned normally. Artemis is more of just a glitch in general than a glitch that allows gods to be summoned. It's something up with the entire system, whether it's time traveling, the world being in danger, or Galahad's shield being a better summoning tool.
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>>121522959
Mine isn't released though so I'm kind of just chillin alone
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>>121523163
Carmilla if you want power.
Hassan if you want a NP with an instakill chance.
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>>121523163
Carmilla is worth using for her good ATK now that she can actually generate a usable amount of stars. I have Carmilla in the front row of my Quick team now with Hassan as the first substitute.
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>>121523163
Carmilla
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>>121523163
Don't know how much better Carmilla got, but probably Hassan
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>>121523163
Carmilla.
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>Quick is the new hotness
>Arts are still relevant
>Buster is old and busted
Feels good.
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>>121522923
The proof is that the Gil entry says normal/proper and it's there for a reason. Can you explain what that means without the "it means nothing" headcanon?
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>>121523163
Hassan for sure. Carmilla is still as useless as ever
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>>121523514
She went from around the third for fourth worst 4-star to the high end of mid tier or the low end of high tier.
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so, how good is a team with hans, marie, and david
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>>121523004
I want to woo Atalanta
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>>121523783
What are you talking about, you quick into a buster chain.
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Whatever happened to the Drakefag that was posting everyday? Did he get her?
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>>121523163
Carmilla for more raw power, Hassan for stars machine and 3 dodges if you have gear to ascend him.
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>>121523783
I want someone to shop stars behind Lancelot, but obviously I suck at using photoshop.
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>>121523840
It's not the same wordchoice as the anti-hero entry, so again, you're trying to connect the two without proper proof. Pretending it does have some special meaning, how do you know it's referring to what you're claiming with absolute certainty that it's referring to?
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>>121524037
He spent 800 quarts and still hasn't got her.
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>>121523903
Almost immortal, but slow.
Use it only for hard battles.
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>>121524401
The desire sensor is strong.
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>>121523948
Don't lewd my catfu!
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>>121524632
anyone read apo ? how is the relationship of this two ?
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>>121524037
He makes like one post per day.
Tomorrow we will see how his crusade went.
I hope he gets her at the end.
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>>121524145
You are pretty much saying they aren't the same because they didn't use the same words, although both mean pretty much the same.

There is literally nothing else that talks about proper or normal heroic spirits. The only time that is addressed is during the anti hero entry. Also, the fact that the word proper/normal was used in the Gil entry, when it could have just been left at heroes or heroic spirits if it meant nothing like you want it to be.

So, again, what does it mean? Don't try to bullshit your way out saying it means nothing when it clearly does and was put there for a reason, because I might as well just say the word strongest meant nothing either.
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Should I roll after or before finishing Okeanos?
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>>121524836
http://theartofcharm.com/dating-tips/friend-zone-science-says-staying/
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>>121524836
They love and care for eachother deeply however atalanta is a little tsun at times but it is during those times that she is the cutest
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>>121524965
Do you want Medea Lily?
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>>121524632
Achilles please go

>>121524836
Achilles tries to get in her pants, Atalanta is indifferent towards his advances, but by the end they are friends.

>>121524965
If you care about Medea Lily, after. If not, before.

If you -really- want Medea Lily just wait for her rate-up though
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can someone translate? i guess arts damage and faster np fill?
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>>121524965
before

so you can get Medea Lily from the gatcha
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>>121524836
Atalanta blueballs him bad and then gets tentacle raped by Jack.

Achilles saves her and dies in the attempt. She continues to blueball him even in his dying moments.
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Gilles broke the gatcha
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>>121525085
Can't read the op either?
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>>121525238
sasuga
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>>121525085
Arts Damage up 10%, Crits up 20%

MC's Card does the same but for Buster cards.
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>>121525238
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>>121525238
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THANK YOU BASED BLACKBEARD INTERLUDE AND BASED RETARD CAT INTERLUDE
Literally 6 pages and 3 talons
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>>121525547
Wait, the Blackbeard interlude gives pages? Oh fuck, I'm glad I leveled his bond.
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Luvia, LOZ or Artemis on Lancelot?
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Guys I used my quartz and now im sad.
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Achilles wins the Atalantabowl ?
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>>121525757
Out of those three, LOZ easily

Lancelot's best CE choices are between L/OZ - Kaleido - Male Hakuno

His skills take care of his crit gravity, the rest is just a choice on whether you want more general damage, access to his NP, or less general damage than L/OZ but even higher crit damage
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>>121525547
Holy shit I got 4 pages, thanks anon. To bad I dont have a tamamo cat for the talons.

Also, turns out robins 3750% max damage just got beat by the sluts with 4400% max damage
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>>121525908
>Guys I used my quartz and now im sad.
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>>121524836
Atalanta, being raised in the wild doesn't understand love and the concept of wooing.
Achilles wants to woo her, fails.
They end up as friends though as they both holds the same ideals, being from the same land and era and all.
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>>121526068
>>121526068

New thread.

>>121526068
>>121526068
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>>121525908
But anon you got best saber! How could you be sad about that?
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>>121525938
Isn't Luvia like Crit Damage increase though? Wouldn't Lancelot kind of benefit more from it if he doesn't get Buster Brave Chain?
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>>121526098
And people said they were shit.
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>>121525908
I know that feel bro.
Now man up and start saving that quartz again. Better luck next time!
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>>121525908
You got a nice team there though. Gil + Waver + Liz are a great combo.
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>>121525908
Fuck off.
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Google play rejected my latest refund, should I worry?
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>>121525184
How can Achilles even die? Did the tentacles stab his ankle or something?
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Why aren't riders considered to be a "Knight" class? Cavalry has historically been important as sabers Archer's and lances to knights so what's up with that?
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>>121527331
Get banned filth
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>>121528263
You need a class for all the random ass servants that don't fall under category but have some bullshit excuse for "riding"
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Why is the cheat apk not killing shit like instantly?
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