/evn/ filthy, greedy, artists edition

>>121197072

I like the green eyed necromancer, but everyone looks weird.

>>121196528
I actually agree with him on this. Everyone treated me like absolute shit until I raised my rates. Now the old clients can't dream to afford me and the new ones don't think I'm a hobbyist they can boss around.

>>121198210
For a higher rate, I'm putting deadlines on your ass at the very least.

>>121199374
My turnaround is fast as hell, I don't worry about that.

>>121196528
Why are the artists usually scum?

>>121196528
Reminder that no matter how bad your art skills are, writerart>artistart.
Don't fall into the trap of paying for an artist. Always do your art yourself.

>>121199658
Temperament

So how much you ask for is how much you respect yourself?

It's too subjective. I'd rather have supply and demand play with the rates.

>>121202021
Are you a two-bit whore or a high-class call girl?

I missed to bump the thread, I was banned.

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> game delayed
> game delayed even more for iOS
> no date given for android

godamnit

>>121204917
Why haven't they revealed the artist yet? Trying to stow her away from the masses?

>>121206465
artists must be kept in dog cages to protect them from the world

>>121207354

go back to bed Touma

>>121204917
Wait, don't tell me the two in the middle are guys

>>121208674

the blonde on top is, the brunette is a fairy and female iirc but not a LI.

>>121208674
I'm not familiar with the property but just from a quick look the bottom character is almost certainly the female MC and the blond above her is almost certainly male, he's just the Elegant Entertainer Type.

All his cues read male to me. Look at the hands and the body posture. He just has very pretty hair and robes.

>>121209053
>>121208861
.. or a fairy I guess. I don't know, I just figured it was traditional in otome games to have the protagonist either at the bottom with men looming over her, or in the center with men arrayed around her. But I guess it makes sense if she's the person working the magic on the cat.

>>121209206

the protagonist is the cat, she gets turned into a woman by the fairy.

>>121212284
Yo!

All artists should be burned at the stake! Burn! Burn! BURN!

>>121212284
>those dead soulless eyes

Why can't I get paid just as much as an artist does? The time spent writing usually equates to at least a couple of months, which is more than any artist puts in, yet I get what is usually 2 times less than what an amateur artist gets. Might as well just go work at McDonald's at this rate

>>121202174
Two-bit whore, except my pimp takes all the money and i have to fuck.his friends for.free everyday

>>121214721
Have you tried respecting yourself?

>>121214448
>yet I get what is usually 2 times less than what an amateur artist gets.
If your game is making so few sales that a writer's profitshare is much less than the artist's upfront pay, the problem is on the business end.

>>121214448
Anybody who is fluent in English (or whatever the language the story is being written in) can write or even learn to write well in just a year. Art takes multiple years and thousands of upon thousands of hours of hard work and practice just to get "passable". Therefore artists are seen as more valuable than writers. Shit, devs most of the time do the writing themselves, don't they? Nobody is going to spend money on something they can just do themselves.

>>121215005
This makes me angry but I have no argument against it, so I'll just wallow in my pity corner

>>121214854
Ive thought about quitting but then id have to leave and go back to the third world shithole i came from

>>121197072
The fuck is that?

>>121216265
Yes.

>>121215996

Hi there fellow third-worlder. Are you from the bullet planting land? Blaze land? or Smoky land?

Welp. Doesn't matter.

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Decided to do a pretty render of this globe I’m modeling for a BG I’m working on. The project is a visual novel called Sickness. This is gonna be offset to the side of the BG, but in the foreground. As usual I'm killing myself by probably adding more detail than will actually be able to be seen in the final piece D:

>>121218469
Damn it, I just noticed I fucked up the number of increments on the ruler thing on the globe... I'll have to live with this sin I guess

>>121218469
Nice desu.

Reminder that if you plan on getting a publisher to NOT choose Sekai Project. They censor criticism on their Steam forums and falsely accuse people of promoting piracy.

http://forums.fuwanovel.net/topic/12124-sekai-project-cropped-g-senjou-no-maou-cgs/

>>121218469
that circular thing around it fucks with my eyes, I can't tell whether it's in front or behind the sphere (I guess it's supposed to be behind on the left side?). Also it brings a half-peeled potato to mind.

>>121221894
Yeah, you should instead sign to Jast, who love EVN's, or maybe Mangagamer, and join their talented roster of Beach Bounce and Menagerie (though the latter wasn't bad)

>>121219349
Thanks :)

>>121222097
Yeah, you're right—it's behind on the left side. If the angle were a little different the circular thing would be obscured more and it's position would (hopefully!) be apparent.

Also, now that you've mentioned a potato it's starting to look delicious to me... I want a baked potato.

Any writers here plan to participate on NaNoWriMo or are you focusing solely on your VN?

>>121226045
Is NaNoWriMo a evn thing or is it just a writing thing?

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>121229257
sssssssssss

I just woke up don't die on me already

>shitting on artists
>shitting on artists
>shitting on musicians
>shitting on coders
Fellows, fellows, FELLOWS!
Can we try NOT to shit on the nice folks who are literally sitting in the same boat as the rest of us?

>>121239417
That's pretty gross if we're in the boat together and everyone is shitting on each other. Sounds pretty unsanitary too

>>121239417
So long as everyone gets shat on, I'm fine with it. That's just banter.

The problem starts when a single group gets shat on. That's bullying.

>>121239880
>currently bullying artists
I never saw "writers are scum edition"
And we had a dozen artist insult titles

>>121243710
We don't need to bully writers, their work speaks for itself. There are hardly any decently written EVNs, let alone well written ones.

>>121243803
>There are hardly any decently written EVNs, let alone well written ones.

because people think like this >>121215005

>>121244158
Fully agree, people just take it upon themselves to write or when hiring don't pay actual rates, which keeps the good writers away because they're making money elsewhere. And boy, it shows.

>>121223587
You don't need a publisher. You can just sell games.

The only reason to want to sign with Mangagamer is if you're trying to sell a porn game, because they have good access to that audience and it's difficult to sell 18+ products yourself.

>>121221894
>They censor criticism on their Steam forums and falsely accuse people of promoting piracy.
Without even looking at the link you've linked, I'm going to guess that if people were opening topics on the subject of "WAH YOU REMOVED THESE CGS EVERYONE SHOULD DOWNLOAD THE JAPANESE ORIGINAL INSTEAD" then it's hardly surprising that they might delete those topics and ban the poster on the grounds of promoting piracy.

>>121248712
... now that I'm reading the topic though, if the posts were as they are reported then yeah, that's pretty shitty of SP.

>>121248821
Sounds like it wasn't SP's choice at all to crop the CGs, it was the Japanese developer, and SP was left in the lurch unable to say anything because they didn't want to sound like they were criticising their partner.

Still, they didn't exactly handle it well.

>>121243710
>I never saw "writers are scum edition"
Not many people hire writers in order to be screwed over by them.

>hiring writers
>implying the person making the vn isnt the one writing it

>>121249545
But anon how will I make a mighty Katawa Shoujo clone unless I have a staff of 20?

>>121221894
>Sekai Project falsely accuses people of promoting piracy!
>Links to a site known for piracy.
.........uh huh

>>121250684
Did they actually accuse anyone of promoting piracy? I didn't see that in the thread, just a lot of lock-and-delete of people criticising their cropping.

>>121249545
What is WW.

>>121252125
Yeah but he never posts here

>>121214448

Who are you referring to that is paid well? Does this person have a consistent track record of showing commission pieces and samples in their gallery that are consistent?

I can't remember the last time I talked to a writer that had completed even a fanfic and published it.

>>121252852
>I can't remember the last time I talked to a writer that had completed even a fanfic and published it.

Not the guy you're replying to but if you get in a lot of arguments in here, you have most likely talked to me. So there's that.

>>121253113
What?

>>121253393
I think he's saying he writes fanfic.

>>121254153
I write fanfics ? fantastic fiction.

>>121223587
There's Hanako Games and Winter Wolves. You didn't even bother listing the evn publishers, bravo.

You could also get published by AJ Tilley if your vn is fanservice, but that wouldn't solve the issue of underhanded publisher behavior.

>>121253393
I complete and release stuff.

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>>121248997
They also said that they will lock or delete any thread that so much as brings up the issue. They're banning discussion.

>>121250985
The post was removed and the reason the user was given was that his post had "promoted piracy". He is now also banned from the game's discussion board.

>>121197072
Is this a Game of Thrones VN?

>>121255212
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/246410818/brilliant-shadows-an-adventure-romance-visual-nove

>>121255212
>Overall, there is an astounding lack of variety and diversity in the world of mainstream gaming. Gender, race, and sexuality are often not present in modern games or eroticized when they are.

>Brilliant Shadows will attempt to break this paradigm by featuring a lesbian protagonist along with a slew of supporting characters that run the gamut in terms of both ethnicity and sexual orientation.

Muh diversity.

Much diversity.

>>121255429
Ugh, I hate this. If you make your game diverse more power to you, but don't make it a selling point.

>>121255959
Much diversity there is.

Will I get plus points if I make a dating sim set during the colonial era of X country? And yes, I'm going to paint in a good light, like, pro-colonialism.

>>121255429
This again falls into the pitfall of "Don't slag off all other games while talking yours up"

Because it just promotes eyerolls. Fuck off, there are a number of VNs with gender/race/sexuality diversity JUST as much as yours is, your game is not changing that landscape in the slightest.

>>121256280
Are you attempting to pander to GG now or something? I doubt they care, they're only reactive. If you want to get points from them first find someone to protest against your game. THEN they'll suddenly want to buy it.

It's not like they're actually interested in little indies.

>>121256280
No, that just makes you seem edgy.

>>121256435
>>121256448

Don't get me wrong... I'm genuinely interested in doing the opposite, since colonialism is usually portrayed as negative in almost every history book I have read.

>>121256435
>If you want to get points from them first find someone to protest against your game. THEN they'll suddenly want to buy it.
Post it on tumblr and at least some will find you. You might even get a click bait article on a somewhat notable game site.

>>121256545
Well, there's a reason for that. Colonialism was bad for 90% of the world and in some cases even directly responsible for countries' involvement in WWI.

>>121196528
I find this statement a bit weird: you're supposed to put the number of revisions and what kind of revisions and at which stage in the contract.

As for producing art one hates: I might just be seeing this from a completely different perspective (I was indeed a bit surprised when a client commented on my not minding changes they proposed - which were within the revisions detailed in the contract) but I don't think you should expect to always draw what you envisioned when you received the client's specs. The way I see it, it's like cooking a meal for someone: I'm glad to hear if they'd like more salt, or the pasta more al dente or what have you. I want to know, so I can make the thing they like best. Same with art: as long as you don't ask me for an endless loop of revisions, I don't see why you shouldn't "use" me to get as near to your vision. I'm just the hand with the pen, I can draw what I like in my spare time. When I'm being paid by a client, I'm there to make THEM happy.

And, really - I've had cases when the client suggested something, I applied the change and found I liked their idea best!

At the end of the day, I'm quite happy to be paid, but it does add a fair bit of professional pride to receive a mail from my client being all happy about what they got.

>>121255032
As long as they have admitted what's been done with the pinned topic I don't see 'banning discussion' as a big deal here. They can't actually _participate_ in a discussion on the subject so having people shitting all over the forums is distracting and frustrating.

>>121255157
If they directly claimed someone was promoting piracy only for pointing out that one thing, that's obviously wrong, but I didn't see even a screenshot saying that (and screenshots can be faked obvs). Maybe I missed it.

>>121256839

But... the gifts of culture, education, sciences are all shadowed by slavery and oppression.

>>121257017
I hope you aren't implying that africa, asia and america didn't have culture, science and education before colonialism because ohhh boy.

>>121256912
>you're supposed to put the number of revisions and what kind of revisions and at which stage in the contract.
Very few artists do this in my experience, unless they've had problems in the past.

There is usually a general understanding of "you can only suggest revisions on the latest thing done", though. Like, if you approved the sketch, you can't suddenly ask for the composition to be changed when we're already at coloring-in-the-lines, not without paying an extra fee.

>>121257173

Pfft... I guess they got enriched.

>>121257017
Anon, I feel you in that I want to believe that colonisation can be done right, or at least can be done a hell of a lot better than we did it in the past. But boy howdy when you look at the details of how the colonial powers set about dismantling the culture, education, and economy of places they wanted to move into, not to mention the occasional intentional genocide attempts, it does get pretty touchy.

I want to believe that there's a better way to handle cultural exchange but I'm not sure trying to claim someone else's land as yours is likely to work out.

>>121256978
The person recommended that people get the original version of the game and just apply the fan TL patch to it. They didn't mention torrenting though, so banning it due to promoting piracy is a bit of a stretch.

I'll guess I'll just stick with the idea of one woman being forced to marry a colonizer while her childhood friend watches on?

Oh, I forgot to add the obligatory, era-correct Chinese merchant.

>>121256912
That person sounds like they've had bad experiences in the past, or they're someone who highly values their own work to the point of not willing to take criticism.

My problem with the muh diversity is that no one can agree on what representation IS. I have had people trying to 'educate' me about racism and social issues from an american point of view - hell, I've had people tell me that I should get offended about cultural appropiation when 99% of the people I know irl love the idea of cultures being celebrated.

Most people do understand that no media is perfect, but there is avocal minority of zealous SJW who have a weird idealized version of it where you can't be right, ever.

Anyway, have more gays kissing (now in color).

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>>121257762

Fuck, pretend I didn't forget the file.

>>121257406
> I want to believe that there's a better way to handle cultural exchange but I'm not sure trying to claim someone else's land as yours is likely to work out.

This. A close example would be the romans but then they began murdering each other anyway.

>>121258143
Alexander the Great wanted to unite the world.

>>121257762
>cultural appropriation
I hate when people complain about this.It's so hypocrite.

>>121258143
The romans literally got fucked BECAUSE of how they handled diversity.

>>121257910
Aww.

>>121258412
And everyone hated him for it. Remember how his soldiers decided that bowing to a king was for savages?

>>121258432
A lot of tribes put up with them because they had an excellent administration. If they had decided to crush them they'd have a Boudicca situation much earlier.

>>121258424
I will continue to eat at Taco Bell and no one can stop me.

Careful about making a vn about another culture though, because you'll be very open to criticism about how you aren't doing it right. One way to do this is to have a friend of yours who is of that culture have their name on the project and say how instrumental they were to it (this doesn't have to be true, they might never had even read the script before).

>>121258689
>And everyone hated him for it. Remember how his soldiers decided that bowing to a king was for savages?
Same goes for Nobunaga, Cao Cao, Vlad Tepes. History shows the only guy who tried unifying a big territory and didn't get hated by his own people was Hitler, and that was because everyone else did.

>>121258424
like almost every SJW concept, it started with a reasonable idea and then ran amuck until it means something completely ridiculous.

Like, "Hey, it's rude to take something meaningful from someone's religion and make it a fashion statement". That's perfectly reasonable. It doesn't mean you can't ever do it, but it does mean that you can expect to be given a side-eye if you decide that a nun's habit is an awesome dress and you want to go into the office like that.

But now it becomes like "YOU SHOULD NEVER MENTION ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE'S CULTURE" which is batshit

>>121258794
Heck, I got criticism for writing about a country I currently don't live IN, but was born and raised in.
I'm slowly being bugged by SJWs behaving like America and its values are the center of the universe. I don't believe they care about their own hypocrisy, do they?

>>121258794
>One way to do this is to have a friend of yours who is of that culture have their name on the project and say how instrumental they were to it (this doesn't have to be true, they might never had even read the script before).
Please don't do this, it doesn't actually provide magical protection for you and if you're the kind of person who does this shit you're going to get even more bent out of shape about it when "OMG THEY CRITICISED MY RACIST GORILLA EVEN THOUGH SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE BLACK" and it will not end well.

>>121259025
>SJWs behaving like America and its values are the center of the universe.

Because the loudest ones you're hearing are twelve year old americans who have no concept of the rest of the universe.

>I don't believe they care about their own hypocrisy, do they?

They're not a homogenous mass, I know angry liberal SJWs on tumblr who have frustratedly tried to explain why the history of racial relations in australia leads to DIFFERENT things being offensive than int he US. Twelve year olds don't listen well though.

>>121258829
> vlad tepes

Putting people on spikes and tempting people to steal so he could kill them may have had something to do with it rather than the actual conquering.

>>121259164
>They're not a homogenous mass
would you say they're diverse?

hehe

>>121258689
>And everyone hated him for it. Remember how his soldiers decided that bowing to a king was for savages?

I think anon is going for a romanticized version. Think of Fate/stay night.

>>121259221
It's a matter of perspective. He was a great wartime leader, literally the only reason why they won in spite of the numerous enemies was how ruthless he could be. However, they come home winners and decide it was a bit too much.

Fucking dicks, man. Either the tactics are too dirty to play along and you stop following the guy there and then or you're part of the thing and ride together till death. They let him do the dirty work and then take all the blame.

>>121259383
It's easier to romantize a person for being badass or hot, than a concept like colonialism.

>>121258143

I have a weakness for time-travel fiction in which a small group of 'enlightened' modern people with advanced technology are thrown back to roman times or earlier and have to try and survive, build enough infrastructure to support themselves in the style they prefer, and deal with the natives while trying to be reasonable about it.

>>121259517
> Either the tactics are too dirty to play along and you stop following the guy there and then or you're part of the thing and ride together till death. They let him do the dirty work and then take all the blame.

Sometimes you can't blindly trust your leader. Going back to Alexander, people -could- have agreed to making Hephaestion a god and making a huge ass gold temple... but in all honesty, it wasn't a good idea.

>>121259540
Have you seen Iskander from Fate/Zero? His army loyally follows him even after his death. It's all about ignoring the grim realities of those historical figures.

>>121259668
Is that a common enough trope that you have enough material to be happy with?

I have forcibly added 'diversity' to this story which will therefore require some discussion of period-appropriate racism. Let's see if anyone notices.

>>121260212
Not trusting the guy is fine, but killing a war hero while benefiting of his work BECAUSE of his work is kinda messed up.

>>121260234

That was pretty much my point. Iskander is basically the best things about Alexander, but you don't see Fate talking about how he improved the Persians by conquering them.

>>121260238
Not really but if someone's wanting to write a colonialism game they might be inspired by my fondness here?

SM Stirling's Island in the Sea of Time is a good start point

>>121260587
Even though he did.

>>121260398
>Let's see if anyone notices.
The radical SJWs will find you eventually. Look how long it took them to find Long Live the Queen. Once you're on their radar you must submit, or be accused of being some kind of -ist, -phobic.

>>121260463
Funnily enough, such things happen in the modern time as well.
Using individuals to take responsibility for dirty work that has to be done, and after the celebrations and victories, turn your back to them and use them as political scapegoats.
It was never about integrity, it's about personal gain. Sad.

Man, history is my fetish. I want a BL / otome game that lets me date historical figures with all my might.

> attending an orgy with Alcibiades
> sleeping with Gaius and having to keep it under wraps to protecr his reputation
> having a forbidden and tragic relationship with Richard
> exchanging romantic letters with Ludwig

Would making ISIS-chan VN be considered cultural appropriation? Or is it just outright inappropriate?

>>121261294
such nonsense.

a few people have complained about every game in existence. it doesn't mean anything.

>>121261798
We kept trying to convince /evn/ to make the time-traveling saint-fucking game but no one would bite.

>>121261248
Too bad about the whole 'get drunk and burn down cities' thing.

>>121261975
Nigga gotta loosen up at some point.

>>121261940
If I wasn't busy already I would be all over this.

>>121262210
> have what, the 5 hottest bitches in all the damn known world?
> still needs to get piss drunk and burn things to loosen up

Laaaame

>>121262403
Hooligans gonna hool.

>>121262403
5 bitches or 500 bitches, pussy is all the same
now burning shit is a different experience every time

>>121261851
It means something when they pounce on you on social media and want to get your game removed from Steam for its "problematic" content. And DEMAND you apologize and change the content.

>>121261850
Just inappropriate, and likely to get you flagged for death if you're findable and in a country with enough radicals.

>>121262594
At least 2 of those were ass.

>>121262594
I disagree. In the immortal words of the producer of Senran Kagura:

>Tits are life, ass is hometown.

>>121262652
let me break this down again more slowly for you.

Someone has complained about every game in existence and demanded that it be altered or removed from sale. People are like that. They get upset about weird things. Morons call developers houses and threaten to murder them because they nerfed a skill in a MMORPG.

This does not cause every game in existence to be altered or removed from sale, nor does it cause every developer in existence to be bankrupt or shitcanned.

Sometimes it does cause an alteration to be made, if the complaint is over something that's legally actionable, a REALLY bad idea in a current media climate (the southern flag witch hunt was a temporary flashpoint), or the developer AGREES with the complaint.

>>121263147
It's still annoying, as >>121259025 demonstrates.

What does /evn/ think about doing adaptations of existing literature?

>>121257205
>There is usually a general understanding of "you can only suggest revisions on the latest thing done", though. Like, if you approved the sketch, you can't suddenly ask for the composition to be changed when we're already at coloring-in-the-lines, not without paying an extra fee.

That makes sense to me, though. It might happen that you change your mind when the colouring is already under-way, but that means that all the inking and flats have to be redone. It takes more time to do and if it's something that you could have foreseen at the sketch stage, it's not something you can burden the artist with.

Personally, I include that sort of thing in my contracts because I've researched a lot before I set myself up for freelancing and it just makes sense to me to have some sort of agreement. So many people don't seem to really appreciate what goes into creating assets, I'd rather spell it all out for them. I'm also of the mindset that I just don't do stuff without a contract, period.

>>121264278
I'm doing one now. I'll tell you what I think about it after I find out if it sells.

>>121264536
What's the work you're adapting?

I've heard that Cinders did decently, so I'm fairly optimistic.

>>121264507
I'm not disagreeing with that guideline, just saying it tends to be expected whether it's formally stated or not.

I don't have a problem with it being formally stated, but I do feel slightly nervous if people start laying out really detailed rules for "you can only request two revisions and they must be in exactly this format and this time frame"

>>121264278
I like it, but you have to be careful so you don't end up with count of monte cristo in spaaaaaceeeee..

>>121264719
Hey man fuck you, Gankutsuou was awsome.

>>121264640
Cinderella is more folklore than specific literature, really.

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>>121264963
> gankutsuo had awesome visuals

Fixed it for you.

>>121264640
A Little Princess.

>>121264719
>currently doing king Arthur and the knights of the round table in space with giant mechs and liberating an enslaved humanity
Y-yeah, anon, that'd be dilly, ha ha...

>>121265852
is he also being keked for the good of mankind?

>>121265852
King Arthur in space has been done before, or at least in comic series. But don't give up, you might be able to become super successful by saying your vn is Fate/stay night meets Muv Luv.

>>121264670
Ah, I can understand that.

For what it's worth: I tend to lay them out because I know that some people go really overboard. I intentionally let a few revisions slip once I know the client because, anyway, they never use them all up.

To explain: if I give you 2 major revisions or 5 minor ones (with examples) at the sketch phase, 3 minor ones at the flats and 1 at the end, you'll often find that most drawings don't even require revisions, or most phases don't. In that case, if you ask me for 4 at the last stage or I understand you'd like another change but you're not saying so because you're worried I'll charge, I just send you another revision anyway. It's all a matter of trying to be reasonable, really. I won't do that all the time if you change your mind all the time, but if it's once every now and then, I don't see the harm in being less fiscal about it.

I hope that seems less frightening.

>>121265546
I hope the French maid gets loads of action. I loved the French maid, even though she wasn't a main character.

>>121267120
Just got her sprite in today.

>>121244158
Yeah, I really dislike it when people are like 'anyone can write, it's easy!'
Sure, if you can speak decent English and you can string a sentence together, but writing well is a completely different matter.

Just like art, learning how to be a good writer can take years and years of practice, until you get the point where you instinctively know how to pace things, how to write convincing dialogue, how to keep a consistent style, when to pick up the tension, when to calm things down, when to use a good simile, when to put the punchline of your joke, etc, etc, etc.

It's just, with art, it's more immediately obvious if it's bad because it's visual. With writing, I think people have lower standards, since you need a certain amount of analytical skill to pick apart a piece of writing and explain why it's bad/ineffective, whereas w/ art, most people will instinctively know if something looks wrong, even if they can't articulate it.

>>121272824
And writing is also more than just prose.
Coming up with an engaging overall story, interesting characters, consistent overarching theme, developing characters in an interesting way etc etc is even more important than the prose, IMO. Just look at Muv Luv alternative. Completely mundane, boring prose, but it's popular because the story and characters are excellently done.

The actual story itself is the biggest pitfall to most EVNs, not mediocre art or music.

>>121272824
>Completely mundane, boring prose, but it's popular because the story and characters are excellently done.

Agree 100%. God knows I have read some books with average-to-terrible prose (LOOKING AT YOU, VAMPIRE CHRONICLES!! And everything by Christopher Moore) because the characters were perfect.

>>121275909
>Did you see the big bad wolf?
Sorry, I didn't. I think the filter blotched him out.

>>121255429
visual novels are one genre thats absolutely stuffed with diversity

especially evns. a lot of evns go out of their way to include non-whites

>>121278005
Ironically people may be afraid to include physically disabled characters for fear of drawing comparisons to Katawa Shoujo.

This is driving me insane.

So I have a custom gradient transition. Since Renpy uses black and white as a reference to which side the transition starts, how would I get the gradient to fade to black rather than to the next image?

My first idea was to 'sandwich' a black screen in between, but surely there is a more efficient way to do it?

>>121279510
>My first idea was to 'sandwich' a black screen in between, but surely there is a more efficient way to do it?
That's pretty much the way I do it.

>>121278465
Tao to the rescue then. Stay tuned for the next part of Toko. I'm curious how he plans to pull it off.

>>121282740
>Tao
>plans

>>121257762
I find the whole 'you can't be racist against white people' thing utterly ridiculous, in the UK Polish and Lithuanian people get lots and lots and lots of hate, so many people will spew things like 'they come here from their countries and steal our jobs/sponge off benefits/take advantage of our healthcare', and they're often the victims of abuse and harassment and discrimination.

I don't think America gets a lot of immigration from white Europeans, so you get people spouting these ill-informed 'it's impossible to racist against white people' sentiments, which doesn't reflect how it is in the world beyond the USA.

>>121283620
Even within the SJW movement, the ones who actually understand their own philosophy will agree that of course one can be racist against white minorities, and their whole "no racist halloween costumes" poster series also included a "hilbilly" costume as one of their examples of things that are racially insensitive.

Which, yes, caused outrage from the DIE CIS SCUM subsection who wants to drink white male tears and thinks that tormenting rednecks is clearly a good thing. But not only are the Appalachians systematically underprivileged, it's been bad enough for a long enough period of time that some US cities still have specific racial anti-discrimination laws about them.

Racism vs the Irish used to be a big thing in the US, though it's basically gone now and bringing it up tends to make you sound whiny. The Appalachians are a better modern-day example.

however -

>>121284127
- within the movement, they've redefined racism so that the definition they're using is no longer just about stereotyping-based-on-race, but requires a power and privilege differential, which is why you get them saying things about how white stereotypes aren't racist. And that infuriates people they're talking to who don't understand that they've randomly redefined the words they're using.

It's impressive how effectively we can use language to fail to communicate.

>>121284514
>they've redefined racism so that the definition they're using is no longer just about stereotyping-based-on-race, but requires a power and privilege differential,

how is that even different from normal discrimination.

VISUAL NOVELS

>>121284514
yup, i feel like when people argue they assume everybody is working with the same definitions they are, but they're not. lots of people will define certain words differently, and attach different meanings to them, so it can make conversing about them difficult when you don't know where everybody actually stands.

>>121285042
not a chance, pal

>>121285042

/evn/ - history & sjws

But the real question here is, are futas girls?

>>121285423
STOP KINK-SHAMING ME

>>121285423
They're girls with a surprise present. Best kind of girl.

>>121285042
The things being discussed are deeply interwoven into /evn/ politics. Something, something Christine Love. Something, something Macross Korea.

>>121285423
You have to have their consent before you can them that. Until then they are 'they'.

>>121287064
Death to Harmony Gold!

> design invisible character
> don't realize that this will make a kiss CG rather difficult until artist ask for the description

ffff. I have an idea already, but I will keep this kind of things in mind for the next time.

>>121290385
That shopkeeper was just plain eerie.

>>121295007
TWEwY's style is not even that good, ugh.

>>121296372
Well, it makes their game look a little less generic?

>>121298990
How do you kiss a keyboard? What's it like giving birth to one of those things?

>>121298990
How does he put his shirt on?

>>121299280
the black undershirt? maybe it's a dickey

>>121299161
>What's it like giving birth to one of those things?

The MC wonders this and she comes to the conclusion that it must be painful.

>>121299280

Either >>121299919 or like a girdle/swimsuit (so, through his legs).

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>>121300453
>I'm having the same thought process as an otome game heroine

>>121300583

congratulations, you are now ready to date cute monster boys.

>>121299280
I imagine if you pulled it over one side until you get to the neck, then stretch the neckhole over to the other side, you could just about get it on.

So, I'm trying to make a screen that's actually two screens split down the middle, like a book. So, clicking an option on one screen changes the other. Any thoughts?

>>121305021
im hungry

>>121305832
I just ate some cajun rice with sausage. You want some?

>>121290385
What game is this? It's lovely.

>>121306062
>Lurking here
>Doesn't know TaoSIN

Really?

114K

>>121306062
https://vndb.org/v15137

Did Badriel die?

>>121308397
Artists dropping off the radar is hardly noteworthy in evn development. Hopefully Badriel will make a comeback, since he was a very talented artist.

If i offered to pay for making me some nice transitions in renpy/photoshop, would you do it?

>>121308397
Maybe he got burnout

Well now the bg artist drought can continue.

>>121308869
Absolutely not. Who on earth would want to get paid for doing something?

>>121308397

I locked him in my closet so he'd stop cheating on me with other projects.

>>121311104
Darn you, Winged Cloud director. Let Badriel and Wanaca out.

>>121311778
What if I want to breed them in order to create a stable of employees?

>>121312035
If you give me one or 2 that turn out okay I'll look the other way.

Tonight on /evn/, we have an exclusive look at how the EVN cartel is run.

>>121312978
Thanks, Jim. And after that we'll take a look at how evn devs bribe players into revealing their preferences, that they can then implement into their future projects.

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/3refy2/brilliant_shadows_is_now_out_on_steam_and_we_have/

>>121313267
It's not that hard, people love surveys, its just that the small sample sizes are basically useless.

>>121308869
I would, probably.

>>121312978
Waifu hoes.

>Brilliant Shadows - Part One of the Book of Gray Magic
It turns out that this is just the first story arc.

>relly need to write
>cat laying on me in comfortable way
>but making it hard to type on my computer

Does anyone know this feel

>>121318629
I miss that feel.

>>121318209
of course, you don't expect a game to be produced from the money of only one kickstarter do you?

>>121318209
What, really? I hate that. I dont recall them saying a thing about it in updates or ever.

>>121319436
Steam reviews (in which many admit they are backers and fans/friends of developer) say that it's a complete arc and that it doesn't end on a cliffhanger. It feels like the first book in a trilogy, supposedly.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/409920/

>>121319436
The only review mentioning it says it's more of a sequel hook than an episodic thing, so the story does come to a reasonable conclusion in itself. But who knows, early reviews can be shills

>>121320591
>early reviews can be shills

>Full disclosure: I know the creators of Brilliant Shadows...I have never really been into visual novels at all

>Ok so full disclosure first. This is my first review and I was a kickstarter backer.

>I've been a fan of Ithaqua Labs for a while now

It's obvious that all of these glowing reviews are of questionable objectivity.

>>121320591
One of the reviews said it was like the first book in a trilogy.

>started writing a story about the cold war soviet country side village with politics and mysteries.
>got stuck so I started adding spooky supernatural elements that make no sense, and are there just to make things interesting

How am I going to dig myself out of this shithole?

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Friend of the "Loli game-dude" here again, now what if the sex was "implied" through a CG (they are both fully clothed, you can't see their bottom half) but explicit in text? Jail time/money fine, or nah?

>>121330909

Let NATO give the village the freedom it needs.

>>121331793
Just write your fucking loli game, jesus christ.

>>121332720
My friend does not want to get vanned.

>>121330909

Anon, wait... let the protagonists try to leave the town after it's recaptured by the Soviets. inb4 accused of collaborating... which counts as treason... which means death... so yeah, let it be a game of running away.

>>121331793
Do you want to make money from this or something? In any case you need to find out if 1.loli is illegal in your country and 2. if your credit card company has a ban on this content (most western ones do)

If its the 2nd best bet is to release it as a free game or look into a possible "burn" bank account you can take money out of. If its the former yeah just leave it alone and keep it on your HD if you really need to make it.

In 22nd century Britain, the last white people send their children abroad to study... the reason is simple... for them to avoid getting raped.


Yes. I'm just bumping.

>cool idea for next vn
>cant think of a name

Aw....

>>121343092
Name is probably the last thing you need to worry about

>>121296372
if the artist was a bit better and if they changed the positioning of sprites/textbox (and perhaps spruced that textbox up) and threw a filter over the bg to make it stand out less, it'd look breddy gud

>>121330909
It's simple, silly: the supernatural events aren't real. Their minds are just going bananas due to stress.

>>121330909
I can't tell you how disgusted it makes me when I get what seems like a perfectly good historical fiction dumps in supernatural bullshit to "spice things up."

>>121344589
> not designing your whole game around a pun

Anon!

>>121343092
I had my name on standby for the last year or so. I'm sure something perfect will come to me eventually.

>>121333067
Stop asking bullshit questions. You've been told repeatedly that there are no guarantees in any direction. You have very clear examples of loli being punished AND of being unpunished. No one here can absolve you of your sins or be your lawyer.

If you really want to do it, do it. If you're really afraid of consequences, don't. Make up your own mind.

>>121354794
Why is it that foreign languages in vns almost always use french as default? I kind of get it for flirty foreigners, but do that many people know french?

>>121330909
Ditch the supernatural stuff and show how much people are suffering. Get them with feelz.

>>121355425
I almost always use French or a close variant of because it's what I studied in high school so I'm comfortable with it and reasonably sure I can use simple amounts of it without sounding stupid. When I've had to reference German or something, I have to ask someone else to write the line and then I still get complaints about it not being right.

I'm surprised there isn't more Spanish around, though. Surely in the US there should be a lot of people with a little basic spanish they can work into a game, even if mine never went further than "Agua, agua!"

>>121356117
> german

Not even germans know how to speak german. Same goes for any language with declinations.

>>121357649
Thank you spooky ougi

>>121359475
Maybe that looks better with a higher resolution, but the title as hard to read as-is.

>>121359790

I'm pretty sure that would look bad in any resolution.

>>121257910
nice background

how much do you have to pay per CG for art like this?

>>121363046

My artist charges $100 per CG, unless it's something really complicated (iirc, the one where she had to redraw the BG, which had a lot of shelves, was around $130)

>>121363303
that's a steal

>>121363554

Obviously, when I'm done with ML I'm going to go the Winged Cloud route and lock her in my basement.

>>121363851
seriously, there are some 'professional' studios (cough, CDS) that can charge something like $300 for a CG and then put 3d model shit in it

>>121363916

Yeah, in all seriousness I'm really pleased with her. Besides having a very reasonable rate, she's fast and she's almost as excited about the game as I am.

She more than makes up for all the trouble I had with the first artist.

>>121364449
Because you are getting a grant, are you still going with the kickstarter route? I really wanted the key chains...

>>121366624

Yeah, I'm still planning to go the KS - the money of the grant will be on top of that.

I think this way benefits everyone because the grant money is going towards making the game as it was originally intented, while the KS money is going towards adding stuff and producing rewards. A perfect example is having Voltaire perform the theme song - it would have been unthinkable on the original budget, but the grant gave me enough leeway to do it.

Basically, a sucessful kickstarter would mean:

* more sprite variations
* more CGs
* custom music
* physical rewards, like keychains, buttons and prints
* digital rewards, like an artbook
* harem ending
* adapting the GUI to better fit mobile screens (so an android version)

I have been delaying the KS because 1) the whole process required a NDA and the judging got delayed way more than I anticipated 2) I want to be honest about the fact that he have some funding, but not enough to make ML the -best- game possible.

TL;DR Yes, and the campaign should go live somewhere in the next two weeks.

>>121367487
How long is the game itself (word count for common and individual routes? Total?). How much do you plan to retail the game at? If it does successful, do you plan on a sequel or do you have other game ideas planned?

>>121372949
Too many "Ohs".

>>121368354

> How long is the game itself?

Right now it's sitting at 80k. The outline is done, but the script isn't... I'd say that the final game will be around 120k.

> How much do you plan to retail the game at?
$9.99

> If it does successful, do you plan on a sequel or do you have other game ideas planned?

I'd actually like to consult the backers because I have a lot of ideas, including:

- A game in the ML universe, but based on 80's horror (think leather-clad demons ala Hellraiser).
- A low fantasy, tragic game about a roman soldier that bluffs (and sleeps) his way into a senate seat.
- A prequel to ML, dealing specifically with vampires.
- A feel-good game about a glam rock band whose members are actually aliens.
- Something that lets you date aztec gods.

>>121373156
One of those things is not like the others.

>>121373156
>A low fantasy, tragic game about a roman soldier that bluffs (and sleeps) his way into a senate seat.
This gets my vote.

>>121373308
Which one?

>>121374729
The one about the roman soldier most likely, the the others have a supernatural element to them.

>>121373156
The savior of BL!

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>>121374729

If it indeed is >>121375068 , it's because I enjoy history and damn son, some periods of history were really gay.

With Romans you had a situation where deep homosocial relationships were normal, but could not cross into actual sex because then you'd be nicknamed "queen of bythinia" until you died.

Also, really short tunics. hnggg.

>>121375287

I think that title is already Obscura's

>>121382076
Not on my watch!

>>121382656

I liked CooT but couldn't stand the relation between sex and bad ends. It's a fucking porn game, for god's sake.

>>121382656
Messiah War

>>121382847
Sex is evil, you should get married first

>>121383446

> getting married to your college professor

l-lewd!

>>121383504
>being forced into marriage with your magical professor because of a ritual gone wrong

Keep going, you two! I'm already sketching up the characters.

>>121384641

> spoiler: that was your plan all along

anyway, in CooT not having sex with your professor is a plot necessity but it's jarring how the game goes from 'fucking your student is unethical' to '...unless you can get away with it without being caught."

>>121385420
>>121382847
What sort of relationship? I thought it was different for every love interest. If you have sex with the professor, you actually don't get the relationship ending. But this is different with each guy.

>>121387432

Basically the only guy you can fuck before the ending is Jed, and Jed is a slut.

>>121387598
>only the slut puts out easy
I don't see the problem here.

Who Nanowrimo here?

>>121388239
But anon, all gays are sluts!

>>121390004
BL games wouldn't lie to me, would they?

>>121390004
They kind of are, going by my friends at least. Great guys, lots of fun to be around, but huge sluts.

>>121392840

> your friends are gay sluts

may be time for some introspection.

>>121394714
Not all my friends are gay and slutty, but all my gay friends are sluts.

Anyone here would be interested in a BxG game?

>>121397759

I would be interested if the plot was good, as opposed to BL/otome where I'm willing to put up with below average writting for the sake of husbandos.

dead thread dead genre

>>121397759
If it wasn't something like Sunrider.

>>121397759
I play plenty of them, but that means you have plenty of competition, so you need to be interesting and not just say HAY LOOK SOME SCHOOLGIRLS WANNA FUCK?

>>121401489

It only dies when we actually intend to talk about evns.

On the bright side, /evn/ anons seem to have a good deal of knowledge of historical trivia.

Nerds.

>>121403119
>Nerds.
how do you think we ended up here?

>>121397759
But can you write a BxG game in which the protagonist is NOT
- a kissless loser
- a cackling pervert
- a rapist
- a high school boy
- the chosen one

>>121405218
>high school boy
Nothing wrong with following SOME genre conventions, anon.
None of those apply here, though.

>>121405341
Im tired of highschool shitters, i want college students.

>>121406474
>implying college students aren't basically grown high schoolers

>>121406608
I want men with jobs.

>>121407454
High schoolers have those too. They can even have nice jobs with nepotism.

>>121406474
Problem with college settings is that by then, the group of people on a single campus are generally very homogenized.
And that's potentially boring.
You can't have multiple characters pursuing different interests after highschool. Heck, what about less wealthy characters? A lot of things just get cut if you aim straight for college.

Not knocking college settings, they're cool, but just saying slaying holy cows shouldn't be done just for the sake of it. Sometimes it can still fit your story better.

Why do evn-devs have such a hate for their elders?
"t's that rebellious phase where your parents are automatically wrong just "cuz they're old and ur oh suh smarter and cooler than them"

>>121407530
But high schoolers still live with mommy and daddy, some even have fucking bed times. What a boner killer it would be to hear a bitch say "sorry, I can't go on your super long journey about you finding out that your the chosen one, my bed times at 11 pm". This is also why, when visual novels don't use logic like high schoolers having parents, that it begins to take away my believability. It's fun reading visual novels about other high schoolers when your in high school yourself, not when you're an adult.

>>121407932
You really asking why teenagers think they're smarter than adults?

>>121407795
Community college. Tons of diversity in people and in their interests and majors.
>>121408126
The people making these games are not teenagers.

>>121407530
I will also accept a high school student who is running a secret business that causes him to have responsibilities and torn loyalties, but this requires a deft touch to pull off without making your character into a ridiculous Millionaire Genius like the protagonist of Fading Hearts.

Some sort of setup like Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead, perhaps, where you're unexpectedly abandoned and have to pose as a successful adult and provide for yourself and/or sibling while hiding all this from your peers? Giving you dating options of both high school sweethearts and office ladies who don't know you're barely 18?

>>121408208
>Community college. Tons of diversity in people and in their interests and majors.
Yeah, in america.

>>121408208
Teenagers and early twenties, same difference.

>>121408208
>The people making these games are not teenagers.
No, some are twelve.
Many are teens, and many older folks are marketing to teens.

>>121408026
>not when you're an adult.
The industry disagrees though.

>>121406474
Roommates showed just what an amazing idea that is.

>>121408026
What if you're an adult who wants to fuck high schoolers though?

>>121408208
>The people making these games are not teenagers.
You don't have to be one to act like one though

>>121408302
There are ways to bring diverse casts together other than high schools (and some high schools are already pretty homogenous and that doesn't stop people using them for games. Especially Posh All Girls School Except Now We're Admitting Just One Boy.)

Think of other settings where people meet, it's good practice for your real-world dating!

>>121408208
>The people making these games are not teenagers.
They certainly have the attitude. Nevermind the fact that a few years down the line, they'll be no different.

>>121367487
>* digital rewards, like an artbook
>* harem ending
Dont do either of these.

>>121408558
Many people liked it, it sold well afaik

>>121408627
>it's good practice for your real-world dating!
Happily married, thank you.
tfw met in highschool

>>121408705
Digital artbooks are kind of lame but easy to produce so you may as well throw them in when doing a kickstarter, as long as they're not high tier.

What's wrong with harem routes, if the artist and writer are willing to make one?

>>121408705
It worked for the Starlight Vega kickstarter. Of course, she had physical artbooks, including a limited edition hardcover one available as well.

Digital artbooks are a completely useless lazy ass "I can't actually think of anything" reward.

>>121408876
I met both my husbands on the internet so what do I know?

>>121408705

> artbook

I fucking love artbooks, so the game is getting one. I love being able to see the process of how a character was designed, unused concept art, etc.

Also, shipping books is pretty expensive so a digital option is nice for people that want it but don't want to pay extra on top of pledging.

> harem ending

I don't know what is wrong with this? I actually have a way to make it fit, so it wouldn't be shoehorned at the last possible minute.

>>121409267
>both
I hope you're at the very least in your late 30's.

>>121409267
Now I start wondering, HOW do people even meet these days?

>>121409359
>Also, shipping books is pretty expensive so a digital option is nice for people that want it but don't want to pay extra on top of pledging.
Translation: I don't want to spend money on the shipping, so I'll make it digital

>>121408459
And tons of people liked SAO, what's your point? The vast majority tend to like shit. That doesn't mean that dev's need to be sell outs that make shit too.

>>121409219
Perfect for evn.

>>121409624
Pledgers have to spend money on the shipping. You have any idea how expensive it can get if you live anywhere out of the USA, not even counting countries with huge shipping.

>>121408705
Begone purity fag, I want debauchery harem ending. No other BL games have it. At the most you'll get a shitty threesome, which are always awful.

>>121409761
I don't care about filthy foreigners.

>>121409695
It may be shit to me and you, but it had a target audience and managed to engage it.
Don't forget, if you're producing commercial work, you need to do it right. Hit a sweet point between being a filthy sell-out and an artist portraying your vision.
None of the extremes are viable.
At the end of the day, taking into account the market is important.

>>121409893
Don't make me come over there and rub my filth all onto your face.

>>121410114
That wasn't meant to sound that way. I promise.

>>121409965
Undertale, for example, managed to be decent and it did it without selling out and presented an interesting premise along with all the other popular indie games. Following a shitty formula that has been done a million times over is just being lazy and admitting that you are not creative/smart enough to make a good game.

>>121410262
Who are you to decide what a good game is?

>>121410262
Undertale also came at a perfect time, when the market was ready for it. It didn't even do anything really new, did it now? It just did it WELL.

For the record I AM planning to offer a physical version of the artbook, but I'd rather give people the choice between "pay the mail 5usd for a physical version" and "pledge an extra 5usd to the game itself" and not force it on them.

>>121409436
They're concurrent, not consecutive. Harem get.

>>121410673
>5usd
try 40usd here, matey

>>121410757

> 40usd

damn, that's a lot for shipping. At that point, if I were a backer, I wouldn't bother unless it was signed or something.

>>121409515
>HOW do people even meet these days?

Bars, conventions, and street festivals. At least, that's my (secondhand) experience of non-internet dating. What these have in common is that they're all places people go to have a good time, where they can bump into a lot of strangers who they might have something in common with and strike up a conversation.

Traditionally, growing up, I was told you were supposed to meet singles at church activities or by attending adult classes for your hobbies.

>>121410953
So yeah, always offer a digital version, and don't feel bad about it.

>>121411068

In the end, offering a digital version costs me nothing and people can just not choose that reward.

>>121409884

I'm sure there are, but I can't think of an example. One would think that at the very least, games from companies like N+C would offer a gangbang ending...

>>121411421
There is not. There is a threesome in dmmd, but it is shit with the shittiest of characters. And I think there was a gangbang in TnC but I believe it was off screen. Anyways, it'd be interesting to see how a harem ending would be pulled off in a non-r18 game. Harem endings are very rare in BL.

Harem endings are hard to write, despite appearances.

>>121412917
GOOD harem endings are hard to write. In many dating games, what people want from a harem ending is an "everybody's happy" ending, since in so many games your love interests' problems are only resolved when you're on their route to help them out with your dick, and it's depressing to think of the others left behind, so what they mostly want is a handwave where somehow it all works out.

>>121412917
No, you're overthinking it. Thinking a lot about it is the last thing you want to do in anything related to polygamy, because that's when it gets messy. Until you think about it, it's just more sex.

>>121413462
> since in so many games your love interests' problems are only resolved when you're on their route to help them out with your dick

I dislike the "LIs are useless without the MC" thing myself, and all the monsters' problems are written in a way that 1) it's believable for them to be unable and/or unwilling to solve them themselves 2) they interconnect -just- enough that it's possible to solve them all that once, but they wouldn't notice it right away.

Also, since the beginning it's been my idea that monsters are less worried about monogamy, specially when it comes to dating humans (mostly because monsters live for way too long for it to be practical). Vampires are polyamorous by tradition, were creatures have several partners to help raise their litters, robots will adjust to whatever, etc.