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[Insert Edition Here]

>What is Heroes of the Storm?
An Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides developed by Blizzard Entertainment.

>What makes Heroes of the Storm different from other already known and popular MOBAs?
Matches last 15-25 minutes, Item system replaced with Talents, focus on objectives and team fights.

>where do I find you meme-loving faggots
/join /vg/

>What hero should I buy?
Find the ones you enjoy playing and buy those. Don't buy cheap heroes just to get into Hero League, it's not worth rushing into.

>FAQ | Tips & Tricks - Check before posting questions.
http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips

>Links nobody visits anyway
Official Site: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/

Free Hero Rotation: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/free-hero-rotation

Hero Rankings and Statistics: https://www.hotslogs.com/Default

Talent Calculator: http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator

Steam Group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HotSG

Old Thread: >>121055970
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Where the FUCK is Maiev????
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fourth for rehgar is the best
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second snowmen
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Fourth for Nova being literally Gold Tier
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REHGAR
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>>121189871
yeah you sound like a real tough guy
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Tyrande is the most fun hero in the game by far
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is there ever any situation where March of the Dark King is useful?
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Li Li is so fun and cute. Why do you not have the master skin yet?
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You're all a bunch of faggots and I hope you end up like Senjinn.
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>>121190728
jokes on you, I don't leave my house
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>>121190632
I know I am, I suplex gang thugs daily, but I still want to know if this team comp works in hero league/team league
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>>121190650
priestess dress skin for tyrande when?
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>>121190728
I'm too scared to ride a motorcycle though
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>>121190650
>big ass
>game changing stun
>both ults are viable
>cool trait
>heal is small but useful
>owls are cute and fun
she's top tier
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So are the Heroes Finals just going to be for those that bought Blizzcon tickets or will it actually be on twitch?
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>>121190924
Fully exposed ass skin when
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Reminder that this game is too zoomed in
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>>121191128
>hurr hurr I'll be clever by claiming the commonly accepted definition for a faggot is a loud motorcycle rider like that episode of South Park I saw

You put penises in your mouth and anus, while being a general annoyance and aggravation to others from your mere presence.
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>>121191409
>Sonya and Jojo will never spitroast you while Valla teases your nipples
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>>121190878
Your best chance is in giving your opponents an aneurysm in sheer disbelief at how any 5 people on earth could be this retarded.
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>>121191409
No, he was in an accident and posted pictures yesterday
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>>121190345
Anon, pls, fat tit edition
it was served up on a plate
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This thread is young, but there's already people here who don't have more than 50k gold and a considerable amount of heroes unlocked without paying a single cent.
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>>121191409
he didnt imply anything like that, at all, being so overly defense does make you look like a faggot though
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>>121191595
>believing anything Senjinn says
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GOD DAMN I HATE MY TEAM SO MUCH IF ONLY EVERYONE WAS AS GOOD AS ME I'D BE TOP 10 NA AND AND... diablo is fun as fuck but I'm shit with him and thats why we lost
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>>121191990
>but I'm shit with him
yes I can see that
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>>121191749
I own a lot of heroes, except I spent gold on 3 master skins and the coin mount so I wasted that 50k gold. Not that the few heroes I'm missing are anything I'm eager to get like Rexxar, monk, thrall and butcher. I'm only at like 8k gold for now.
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Post yfw senjinn is not gonna make it
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>>121192596
none of us are going to make it
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>>121191749
I own every hero but I paid for many of them on sale and a couple on release.
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>>121192465
Well, that's okay anon. I just like to keep a bit of gold, just in case some amazing (or limited) day 1 purchase is released.
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I need pictures.

Picture of Sonya being cute/sexy.
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>>121192993
I finally hit 150k, but I feel more empty than ever inside
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA_8TY9Z5Zg

looks cheap
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>>121193852
looks awesome
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>>121193227
How come, anon? With money comes fun!
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I own Muradin, Uther, Jaina, Thrall, Raynor, and Malfurion.

Thinking about getting Gazlowe next, but I kind of want to buy the pig mount and Uther's master skin and if I get Gazlowe I can't afford the skin. What do?
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>>121193998

not gonna judge before watching, but from what i see it looks considerably low budget
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>>121194210
you cant buy the pig mount anymore
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>>121194403
>>121193852
why the fuck did they do live action, should've just done it like the in-game cinematics
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>>121194426
Well shit.
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>playing hero league solo queue
>first team mate instalocks Vikings
>we win
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>playing hero league solo queue
>first team mate instalocks gazlowe
>we lose
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>>121194701
>overpowered cancer wins
yes?
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>>121194701
>the hero with the highest winrate wins
I AM IN DOUBT
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>>121194838
Fuck you man, I'm trying to feel good here because I won for once.
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>>121194574
Normies won't watch that.
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>>121194945
that's nice but not impressive. Vikings are incredibly hard to counter if the person playing them has more than a brain cell per Viking
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>>121195089
Vikings are hard to counter if YOU as their opponent do not have more than one brain cell per rank point.
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>>121194994
It looks like gayass lord of the rings shit
many people watched that
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>>121194994
Hell, I won't watch that, and I bought the Dragon Age anime.
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>>121195260
>Takada trying to defend his cancer
just counter their free invincibility, speed bonus, and XP soak, then get 1/4 XP for your trouble while the other 6 members of their team do something else
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>>121195419

come now, anon, who are you trying to kid. the most i'd believe is that you'll just pirate it.
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>>121195260
Either you're really bad at vikings, or are spewing bullshit
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>>121195546
>not having Valla, Illidan, or Raynor on constant Viking duty making them dead the instant they enter lane

how's rank 30 treating ya
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>Join with /vg/ meme master
>HL
>Plays Jaina like a suicidal dummy
>"I'm 2700 MMR check out my Hotslogs"
>He's 2621 MMR in QM
>1643 MMR in HL
W E W
E
W

L A D
A
D
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>>121195757
>the counter to Vikings is to make the 7v5 a 6v4
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>>121195961
>the counter to Vikings is to shitpost about muh unbeatable hero on /hotsg/

you've never seen the magic happen.
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>Getting Lost Vikinged
>Down 3 levels
>Everyone else on my team is dead
>5 push + Dragon heading to core
>See Erik alone top
>Lost anyway decide to go kill the little fuck
>Hit him point blank with all 4 of my spells and and several auto attacks
>Eventually the viking player notices and sprints away

Just kill them :^)
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Chen
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>Heroes Panel – Hero Deep Dive
>Join the Heroes of the Storm development team to take a closer look at some of the new heroes coming to the Nexus.
>2:15 p.m. – 3:15 p.m. PST

soon
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>>121196272
>I'm bad and my team sucks balls
>it's vikings fault I lost

EBIN
B
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>>121196481
this
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>Bait leap and sprint on olaf mid
>Illidan and Valla gank the other two as soon as their overpowered cooldowns end
>My team gains 0.5 exp
>Vikings instantly revive on Olaf and continue soaking

Ebin
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>tfw 4 of your teammates end up in your lane early game trying to kill a tank with a healer for some reason
holy shit, fuck off, and they just let the enemy push the bottom lane to our core
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>>121196605
just kill them all at the same time
just hope they take Longboat
just hope their team throws
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>>121196503
I am so fucking hype my god. I don't even have a Blizzcon ticket, but i'll be paying attention to reddi------I mean /hotsg/ for the news.
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Why is everyone so anally blasted about TLV?
I usually pick Abathur or BW if the situation permits it, if not, Kael, Azmodan and lots of other heroes can make sure that even if they get an XP lead, they will have a huge disadvantage during teamfights.
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>>121196873
The longboat nerfs were truly the worst thing to ever happen to this game.
It was never good but since its useless now everyone is beginning to pick up play again.
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>>121196901
here for shit talk, there for slobbering blizz knob

I am conflicted though, apparently deep dive is nothing but upcoming heroes, no swimwear
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>a QM without a shitty aba

i've waited two days for this
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>>121197282
Yeah, I main Jaina and i dont see what the big deal with TLV is. They arent even as slippery or threatening as an octograb Murky.
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>>121197545
I've been playing QM exclusively these past two weeks after exclusively playing HL. Probably 75% of my games have Abathur in them, and if he's not on a team he compliments well, it's a guaranteed loss for that side.
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>>121196503
So what part of Blizzcon is free? Nothing but the opening? Is there a way around that? 30 bucks is outrageous.

Also, that's a cute picture.
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>Enemy team picks double Warrior (Jo and Anub)
>We take Raynor and Valla
>Smash them 18-0 in under 20 minutes.

>Another double Warrior team (Chen and Muradin)
>We take Karazhim and Lili
>They don't even get a single one of us under 50% the entire game

Is this just a shitty meme comp, because I can never see it being good against anything other than a no-sustained dps team, and one of the Warriors has to be named Sonya.
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>>121198031

i would rather see stitches than abathur on my team. in the wrong hands, aba is just a match-long 4v5.
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>>121197606
Most vikings you see below 3700 mmr are shit who're carried by their hero being broken. Once you get past low masters. or try playing them assuming you're not a shitter, you'll see how overpowered they are for yourself.
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>>121198090
The championship games will be free to watch.
Im sure whatever they say in the panels will show up online immediately, I dont know if there is enough interest for anybody to host streams
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>>121198090
Honestly you really aren't missing anything. All the trailers they show they will post. You miss some panel questions, maybe some art work which someone will probably post anyways. There's really no reason for the ticket unless you're a die hard fan or you want all the goodies.
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before choosing a melee character, the game should give you a popup that asks "are you a pussy?" and if you answer yes it permanently locks all melee characters so you can't ever use them EVER, so sick of people playing melee heroes afraid to get close to people, I'M GONNA HEAL YOU, THAT'S WHY I'M THERE
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>>121193187
just look for dragon's crown amazon pictures and shoop her hair red
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>>121198583
Ohhh ok thanks boss i'll just charge right in as Butcher and-------woah hey i'm dead man what happened to that healing?
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>>121198560
>>121198570
I am quite the fangrill, but only for this game. Can't give two shits about Starcraft or something though. I wont be getting the ticket for sure, but a part of me would like to see the spectacle in whole.
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>>121198583
>play with /vg/ memester
>he only plays melee assassins
>he always dives
>he always has double the deaths of the rest of the team combined
>the twist that memester is you
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Playing Aba makes it the easiest to blame every single loss on the rest of your team. Always the least deaths, even the shittest abas should manage to top atleast one stat, and its the rest of the team who failed to get the objective, not you
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>>121198583
But what if you are playing a melee character and you are the healer?
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>>121195546
Plz no bully.
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Who has read some /lili/ lore and can agree that she has seen some absofruitly terrifying events. Under normal circumstances, this bitch should have some 11/10 ptsd but huzzah for fantasy.
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>>121199602
>lili
>lore

Lol. She has no lore.
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>>121199602
Id rather ignore her getting her uncle killed
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>>121199602
link? sounds interesting?
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>>121198860
>>121199287
>>121199383
I meant tanks specifically, but it applies to all melee characters loosely
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>>121199805
not uncle, but family friend Bo
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welp, i finally hit rank 1 again
see you guys next reset or event
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>>121198090
>hey guys we have a marketing event
>buy this 30 dollar ticket so you can watch it
>here's some virtual shit that we scraped together so you can justify this retarded purchase
humanity is THIS stupid

>grrr those annoying ads are everywhere
>i'll pay 30 bucks to see ads for things i like :^)
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Li Li is the worst support. Literally only good for her healing ult.

Why do you guys circlejerk over the little shit so much?
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>>121195931
>Believing that anyone from this shithole is good at the game
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>>121200596
with the highest winrate in every rank above bronze

you arent bronze, are you, Anon
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>>121193187
She is CUTE
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>>121200776
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>>121200445
;~;
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>>121201725
thanks Takada
Ok <3% behind tlv 0.1% behind tyrande
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What the fuck is this gay ass filter senpai, baka desu
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>>121199805
>>121199805
>>121199805
>>121199602

So, a grown up Lili would look like this? Or are WoW pandas fat when they grow up?
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>>121202326
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>>121202384
you're gay senpai
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>>121202469
Fat and not remotely as cute and fun
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Just bought TLV
Time to shit up their win/loss stats
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>>121202717
Wow look at this broken character being top of the leaderboard once again.
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>>121202469
Somebody post the picture where Li Li's still wearing the same outfit she had years ago. You can see her butt!
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>>121202469
>>121203819
If Li Li ever grows up the c ucks over at blizz better give her a unique non fat panda model
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Jesus fuck

>Activision Blizzard purchased Candy Crush Saga developer King Interactive Entertainment last night for a cool $5.9 billion USD; about 20% above market value. The move likely leaves them owning five of the top grossing franchises in the industry. "Candy Crush is one of the most lucrative games in the world, earning some $1.33 billion in revenue in 2014 alone according to a King financial statement. The studio, which operates Candy Crush and a number of similar games including Bubble Witch and Farm Heroes, grossed $529 million in the second quarter of 2015."

Blizzard PLS
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>>121204621
>youre gittin b& even if you spoil it
sad but true
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>>121204825
Candy Crush heroes when
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>>121204825
They can't put any money into hots because they've been saving for candy crush.

Do people still play that?
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>>121205395
Ive posted it before unspoiled even
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>>121205603
Crandy crush mount in heroes for winning 100 candy games
Heroes candy for reaching level 9 in hots
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>>121204825
Candy Crush world championships at blizzcon 2016
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Fat tits l edition.

Which Blizzard females have fat tits?
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>>121191749
made 100k and bought 19 characters since June.
I won't have free gold for at least year
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>>121206027
there is a clear difference between fat tits and cow tits Anon
Blizz doesnt really do cow tits
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>>121206027
I thought the light reflecting off the pool onto her tits were stretch marks.
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>>121206210

Maybe I have a misunderstanding. Enlighten me on the difference.
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Fucking shitters don't retreat when I tell them to retreat, they just keep pushing in farther and farther until, woops! "I'm 1 hp better start turning around now!" nope I'm dead, now the enemy is pushing our core! FUCKING IDIOT GOD DAMMIT THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE 5X AS MANY DEATHS AS EVERYONE ELSE, I'm so fucking pissed about having to play with these people, like how do you even get to level 40 being this braindead retarded
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>>121206584
tyrandes would be fat, your post would be cow
blizz only goes so far
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>>121206889

I've been arguing with people all day about this. So is Tyrande as far as they go?
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>>121206737
>these people
but aren't you one of 'these people' f️a️m
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>>121206737
you don't have to win to level

I see unranked 40s bitching on twitter about being matched with lvl 10s and you can't tell if it's bad mm or just where they belong
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This must be the 'Sonya takes Leap at 10 and 20' effect, losing a game they would otherwise have snowballed as they were winning beforehand

murky was on point as well, proper style
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>>121204825
Thanks Blizzard, I'll never walk again.

>>121199878
Here's what I wrote up last time I threw this in /hots/.
So Li Li's stuff is in 4 collective places.
The first is Li Li's Travel Journal is a bunch of her adventures with her uncle Chen about the continent that was unlocked when the Mists of Pandaria expansion pack came out.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/destination-pandaria/lilis-travel-journal/1
The first 4 parts are the beginning of her story. When the 5'th part hits, enter in the graphic novel.
Second part - Pearl of Pandaria is the interlude of that tells of when she first ventured into Azeroth to go find her Uncle who was very busy influencing the Horde and Alliance by helping key characters seemingly at random. Her friend, Bo, is there to help her and is consistently trying to convince her to go home back to the giant sea turtle that the pandas live on (Pandaria is still unknown at this point - there's actually a fuckton of pandas there but the ones that live on the turtle dont know that)
Anyway, lots of stuff happens and Bo eventually gets murdered right in front of her while Chen came out of no where to save her at the last second.
They go home back to the turtle for a while.
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>>121207007
maybe alexstraza it's hard to judge based on wow because they use so many generic models
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>>121207345
Enter in the third part: Quest for Pandaria which is very extensive in comparison. It's all about how Li Li goes out with Chen back to Azeroth to try and find Pandaria (the panda continent that is still hidden by mist). They learn life lessons on the way with each part connecting to the awkward/tense family argument that revolves around Li Li's dad (her mom died in a storm while on a fishing boat).
This entire story has so many themes squeezed into it, it's not even funny. Shockingly similar to Game of Thrones in how a ton of people die very violently.
Through a lot of fortunate and (mainly) unfortunate events, Li Li and Chen finally end up finding Pandaria completely by accident after they survived a very unconventional battle between two Horde and Alliance ships way out in sea.
Enter the last part of Li Li's lore - the rest of Li Li's Travel Journal (parts 5-11) which go on about checking out all of the locations that the player would get to see once they got their hands on the expansion.
Some of it actually refer to the pandas getting assistance from "travelers" who are the players. Eventually it comes to an end with Li Li and Chen's family getting ready to do the final battles of saving Pandaria versus some evil with the help of the Alliance, Horde, and travelers.
Which I imagine is concluded with the finale of the expansion which I never played because I was done with WoW after Cataclysm (the expansion before)
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>>121207569

Between Tyrande and Alexstrasa. Got it. Yeah I hate having to decide between concept art and in-game models.
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>>121206737
>Fucking shitters don't retreat when I tell them to retreat
people think you are fucking off playing armchair general.
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>>121207768
the space goats are stacked too, when we get one in hots, she might be biggest
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>>121208467
Space goats?
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senjinn here

threadly reminder that you would all be very sad and regretful if i died during my surgery tomorrow. stuffed animals and anthrax should be sent to

1044 Belmont Avenue Youngstown, OH 44501. Room 5422B. Patient Name - Eric Gbur

all of my limbs are broken in some way aside from my right leg and i have a catheter in my dick
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>>121208467
I do hope they put a female draenei hero in. I don't think they are the biggest though. They have the biggest butts though.
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>>121207159
no, I just wanna play support, but it's hard to lead your team when you're supposed to be supporting, your other teammates have to kind of know what to do without me having to explain anything to them and if they're gonna be retarded then they should at least get some map awareness
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>>121209086
Please die.
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>>121209086
I'll help carry the casket when you die for old times sake
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>>121209318
next motorcycle season, maybe
>>121209409
snoke, is that you?
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Best Li Li skin?

Go.
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>>121209767
Only the one piece swimsuit can beat festival Li Li. But the master skin is nice too.
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>>121209882
One piece swimsuit?
Nigga you cray cray.
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>>121209086
>>121209563
>>121209409
>>121209318
I always thought that if senjinn was gonna die, he'd do it because of a sniper's bullet he forgot to take spell shield against
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>>121209563
I hope you have health insurance. Otherwise RIP anyways.
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>>121209563
This is not your blog, fuck off.
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>>121209767
I think I remember taking that pic a long time ago. Didn't even have a scanner. Turned out well.
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I got 20,000 gold. Should I go for the Doubloon mount or buy Leoric?
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>>121210907
Coin mount
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>>121210907
Save until friday. Wait to see if any hero interests you. If not blow it all on the mount.
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>>121211551
Don't do this, blow all your money RIGHT NOW
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>>121210907
>Actual game content like heroes or a worthless cosmetic item
Gee boss
But yeah wait until blizzcon to blow up your gold
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>>121210778
I have the book to my right personally.
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Any guesses for which classic character they will be announcing on friday, if any?
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>>121212256
None. But I'd like Tomator just so the Vikings have a villain.
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>>121209086
if you die then why did I waste $2 on postage to you

>>121209767
I like explorer for the shorts and how they do her hair
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>>121212256
Kel'Thuzad, Li-Ming, Cho'gall, Fenix.
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>>121212723
I'll be pretty disappointed if this is it. But I guess it could be a lot worse.
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>>121212356
I feel confident there'll be a character to generate hype.
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>>121212256
Gul'dan, Maiev, Fenix and some meme hero
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>>121212723
>>121213002
>Fenix
Fucking delusional. God damn it, jesus with you guys.
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>>121212939
Well it sure as hell won't be a classic character that does that. The only classic character they have that would generate some hype is Vikings and people still didn't that hype over them.
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>>121210907
don't spend gold on a cosmetic item, buy any heroes you could total to 20k because you could have more fun in the long run.
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>>121212256
Lothar, Orgrim, Khadgar, Durotan

Literal Legends.
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>>121213271
cosmetic items are fun
clearly you haven't ridden the troll with tychus
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>>121213154
I think it's pretty safe to say that we'll get some Starcraft hero considering the fact that Starcraft gets a new game soon
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>>121213578
That's a fuckton of protoss in the game, then. Why not a zerg?
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This was a good one. We were constantly a bit ahead throughout until we hit a brick wall when they got 20 - suddenly I realised we didn't have a tank and they had a Johanna constantly in our face. Lost three and I almost thought the game was over until I realised Raynor took Raiders and they couldn't attack our core.

I'm not sure if it's a glitch, but sometimes after Shadowstalk ends, Tyrande won't autoattack anything if she's just standing in range of enemies but you haven't clicked on a specific one. Also turns out Murky's OctoGrab lunge has a deceptive range, I see him chuck out the puffa fish and hit Sprint to run for it, only for him to dive forward a good few metres. Luckily Uther divine shields me and after a comprehensive throw by the enemy, we get the DK and end it.

Also I'm hardly the best pilot for this hero, but fuck me, no wonder she gets constantly banned in competitive.

With Athanasius, who is a damn site better than they think they are.
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>>121213578
We just fucking got 2 SC heroes. No need for another right now.
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>>121213154
They've mentioned wanting to make Fenix, but couldn't at the time because Leoric just released and they didn't want to release to many characters with rebirth mechanics close to each other.
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>closing ceremony by linkin park
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>>121212256
blackthorne
next year rock n roll racing
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>>121215776
i am so hyped. IVE BECOME SO NUMB!!!!!!
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>>121215776
>>
alright you bronzies ya boy gucci is going to blizzcon. first what should i write on the graffiti wall and 2nd on sat from 11:30-12:30 during the hots state of the game if the devs open a q&a session what question should i ask?
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>>121216762
Ask them if they purposely keep the game unbalanced so that people will keep spending money on whatever hero happens to be OP that week
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>>121216762
>what should i write on the graffiti wall
"git gud"

>if the devs open a q&a session what question should i ask?
Legit can't think of a question I'd ask them. They all just sort of boil down to "what's coming up", which I'm sure they'll spend the majority of their time answering.
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>>121198031
>compliments

It's complement, anon.
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>>121216762
Ask them when they will pay respect to literal legends like Lothar and Orgrim.
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>>121216762
Why would they make a hero like Artanis who is completely shit.
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>>121216762
ask about lewds and speeding up hero releases
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>>121217184
No, he had it right the first time. Abathur is a very nice slug and doesn't work well with people that don't accept his compliments.
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>>121217024
got it senpai i'll write "git gud" and i'll ask if they purposely keep the game unbalanced so ppl will keep spending money on the FOTM. also i'll try and get a few canada uther skins for my fellow memers i know they are giving them away at the hilton wowhead party on thursday i'll see what other skins i can come up with.
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>>121209086
what's the sensation of a catheter in your dick? how thick is this catheter?
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>>121209086
you better make it you shitter so you can see me upgraded to silver soon.
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So now that we know Garrosh is next, who else is gonna be in HoTS soon?
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>>121220580
mylune
>>
What's your record today /Hotsg/?

1-9 in HL

Tilted as fuck right now
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>>121220580
>tfw mortal strike soon
thank you based Warchief
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>when you see it
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Is the Medic worth 10,000 gold?
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>>121221848
No
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>>121221848
no

where do you see these models

I need to see the novazon one for scientific purposes
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>>121221031
>because Garrosh is a warrior that will just copy and paste mortal strike

Yeah I seriously doubt it.
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>>121220580
>Garrosh is a modified Hulk sprite
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>>121224078
He is gonna be a standard warrior.
I doubt he will get any Sha-related skill from Siege of Orgrimmar.
Maybe his ultimate is summoning a bunch of patron.
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>>121221848
Would Artanis be worth 10k?
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>>121225017
no
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0-4 senjinn dies tomorrow
5-9 senjinn survives
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>>121221848
As someone who actually likes playing Medic. No she isn't.
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>>121225460
:^(
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Playing Illidan like

"No matter what we breed
We still are made of greed
This is my kingdom come
This is my kingdom come

When you feel my heat
Look into my eyes
It's where my demons hide
It's where my demons hide
Don't get too close
It's dark inside
It's where my demons hide
It's where my demons hide

When the curtain's call
Is the last of all
When the lights fade out
All the sinners crawl

So they dug your grave
And the masquerade
Will come calling out
At the mess you made

Don't want to let you down
But I am hell bound
Though this is all for you
Don't want to hide the truth"
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>>121225460
rip
>>
14k gold saved up as a level 23, I am really enjoying Tyrande and will definitely pick her up after this week, What other hero should I turn my gaze to if I really enjoyed playing as Leona in Assfaggots?!
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>>121228284
Look up the Warrior heroes like Johanna, Diablo or ETC if you like hard engage tanks.
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What do you want from blizzcon /hotsg/ ?
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>>121228284
Johanna is pretty good if you like leona
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>>121229774
i want championship games taht go all the way and are not one sided.
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Morales is so damn good. Pairing her and a Sonya is pretty much unstoppable
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>>121193187
Why is she eating with Lin?
Oh man, Lin and Sonya's lesbian adventures would be the best game
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>>121221848
Yes
Best healer in the game if you're good and don't waste your mana. Her W skill is amazing
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>>121229774
Faster releases

>>121230549
Not based on how many games she wins
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>>121230549
>>121230235
>medic is good
sonya will make any support look good.
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>>121230179
>>121228578
Ok, I will save up that Goldaroonie for Johanna
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>>121230235
Yeah no, medic is trash
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>>121231435
Her winrate on hotslogs is rising quickly. Her ability to save other heroes with W and heal multiple targets quickly makes her amazing. She also has the best self-healing in the game, and her stim ult is incredible if you have a Sonya or Butcher on your team
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>>121231167
You can also try them out on the shop to see if you like their play. If you like landing Leona's spears, Sonya's spear is the same thing.
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>>121231743
>Her ability to save other heroes with W and heal multiple targets quickly makes her amazing.

Any tank can just bully her nonstop making Medic's team have no front line. She doesn't heal multiple targets
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>>121193852
>Lothar
>using a gun
>guns
>during the the First War
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>121193852
This looks like shit, the human stuff looks really cheesy.
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>>121193852
I love how this looks like a cheap rip off of lotr. Just like the original WoW. Blizzdrones will defend this.
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>>121231646
Them Draenei need some good BGC all over and inside of them.
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>>121233137
I seriously hope this isn't the final cgi and that they'll improve it until release.
Some of it really looks shit.
Did the Orcs eat up the entire cgi budget or what?
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>>121233381
No one likes rapists
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>>121233838
>Did the Orcs eat up the entire cgi budget or what?
Yep, they tried really hard with the orc CGI but then had no money left over for the rest. It's like you can see the green screen.

I think they are mostly done, it was suppose to come out I think around december but they pushed it back when universal thought it would make a good summer blockbuster.
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>>121233854
Yrel plz
>>121234051
They probably didn't want to compete with Star Wars as well.
Man, I hope the Orcs are worth it because some of the cgi looks horrible. Maybe they'll still improve on it or at least don't show too much bad cgi.
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Why is this game son unpopular compared to shitty mobas like lol? The player numbers are low as fuck
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>>121234180
DISMANTLING INTENSIFIES
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>>121234363
Because blizzard didn't market it at all, they thought that letting streamers into the alpha/beta was all they had to do in the current moba market.

That and the game has shitty mm with not many heroes, slow releases and lack of communication/new information. The game literally was built on hype and they can't even do that, in the beta they were struggling to release heroes in an already small pool ever 6-8 weeks. It's fun to play, just not that fun to watch so their streamer hyped plan with twitch didn't pan out very well.
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>>121234670
they are using the streamer tactic in every of their betas. Like they have the overwatch beta now and people were pissed of because their "random" beta invations into the closed beta included 95% of streamers
So it's having an opposite effect actually.
It's a shame since i am trying hots and its fun
>>
>>121234363
>>121234670
The competition also has millions and millions of players with years invested.

The greatest mmo ever could pop up tomorrow, but its going to have a hell of a time competing with wow, especially if tries to price itself the same way, only more expensive
>>
What is the best hero for causing massive burst damage to other heroes?
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>>121234061
BW is fun and cute
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>>121235378
massive burst in my pants
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>>121235378
kael
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>>121235519
Jaina is so cute
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>>121235519
>ywn snuggle with Jaina under a warm blanket after spending the entire night studying
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Why aren't they teasing out any new information at all for hots? Even overwatch that just went into closed beta teased out a new hero.
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>>121235664
she likes them big and green anyway
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>>121235767
they game is dead, they just don't care anymore
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>>121235540
how come?
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>>121235767
saving it for blizzcon this weekend
Kind of fucked, especially since we are supposed to get a new hero Tuesday
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>>121235664
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>>121235874
Yeah, overwatch is saving it for blizzcon too, but they at least are giving people something to talk about, like what are her abilities going to be. There is zero to talk about in regards to hots since they aren't hinting at anything.
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>>121235874
>especially since we are supposed to get a new hero Tuesday
Damn, plz be someone awesome. The hype from Blizzcon followed by a release three days later better be worth it.
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>>121235867
You seem like a new player and he is one of the easiest assassins to play well, he is safe but still one of the strongest assassins in the game.
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>>121236054
It's probably going to be late. They have been pretty shitty at actually doing the 3 week releases
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>>121236171
They changed it to 4 weeks now when they had their interviews at gamescom. So we will be getting balance patches every 8 weeks.
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>>121236118
>new player
yes
>easiest assassins to play well, he is safe but still one of the strongest assassins in the game.
sounds good, will definitely try him out
>>
>>121236118
Also what is the best region to play in? Europe or usa? I am talking about the player community quality.
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>>121236217
artanis was 3 after medic
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>>121236171
>>121236217
They've been pretty regular with the 7 week schedule. For a while now it's been 3 weeks for the hero with no patch, and then 4 for the balance patch hero. They've done this even after the gamescom interview.
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>>121236342
was 4 - 3 if you were a good goyim.
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>>121236320
EU has more players and probably better players, but I don't play on it much.
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>>121236420
No, it was 2 for the preorders and 3 for normal release.
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>>121236420
Pretty sure it was only 2 for people with the bad/good goy hook up
>>
>>121236479
>>121236483
i swear it was 3 and 4 without the goyim, but 2 against 1 so you are probably right
>>
>>121236420
and if you were a bad goy :^)
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>>121190426
Maiev first hero post in the thread, Maiev being released at blizzcon confirmed.
>>
>QM
>Our lineup is Abathur, murky, morales, tass, artanis
Man this is the fastest ive left a game
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>>121235767
people already are already expecting heroes and they have 3 hours to fill anyway

>>121235981
hots has indirect disappointment amongst franchises. better to just spare everyone the childish "we have enough X" complaints for a few days
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>>121235874
Plz be Cho'gall
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>>121237368
>people already are already expecting heroes and they have 3 hours to fill anyway
They should tease out at least one of them or even a picture of one of them. No one is talking about anything related to hots because they barely ever talk about the game as it is.

When it's struggling, that is no time to stop talking about the game for long stretches. They should be getting people excited for the hots panels.
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>>121190650
the feel when u snipe abathur from with double owl on 20
my fav hero is zagara tho
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>>121237685
agreed.

Also the artanis 2 week release was really sweet. 1 hero every 2 weeks or 2 every 5 would be a vast improvement
>>
Top 3 heroes right now?
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>>121239676
Lili
Lili
Chen (but also Lili)
>>
>>121239676
tyrande tassadar jaina
>>
>>121239676
based on hot dogs
tlv
tyrande
Li Li
>>
>>121239676
>>
>>121190702
when your team has a ETC

>king of the mosh pit
>>
>no swapping
>lagging drops your FPS
>no unit select

>have fun game with some guy
>game ends
>instinctively click leave score screen
>can't add him at all no matter what you do

Goddamn, it's like they wanted this game to fail. Either that or they just gave up
>>
>>121195931
>hotslog
I didn't know that was a thing, apparently I'm 2945. is that decent?
I only play this game a few weeks every couple months to goof with my old friends when I get bored of the current dota2 patch
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>>121240975
around here people pretend they are 4k
a couple are
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>>121240975
around 4k is decent
most people here are sub 3k
>>
>>121240975
(MMR): 2904
most of the time i just do dailies and stuff
not too serious
so i guess its above average casuuuuuuls?
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>>121190702
every single team fight
>battlefield of eternity
>upgrade death march at 20
>can easily hit whole enemy team at immortal
>drain hope on 5 people
>literally unkillable unless they back off because CC won't stop it
>>
>>121240975

It may not be accurate if you haven't uploaded every single one of your matches, though.
>>
>>121242385
I just downloaded that thing, why does it send the site my replays?
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>>121242792
other players upload them
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>>121220580
But anon, those pictures are 1½ years old.
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>>121242357
Don't spread lies like that somebody might actually believe you. The drain only applies on the 3rd swing and is super easy to avoid and even if by some miracle does hit easily broken tether.

Any Leoric that doesn't take Spectral Leech or in some very extreme cases Hardened Shield is 200% retarded.
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>>121244392
it doesn't work with every comp and map but death march is definitely viable
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>>121220580
I'd prefer Grom but a true warrior Orc with a big axe that smashes people to bits is what I need.
Thrall is good in this regard but I need a more savage big guy.
>>
>2950 MMR team
>they refuse to team up

How is this possible
>>
What's the HotS equivalent of 5300 in dota 2?
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>>121246342
Because MMR is completely meaningless outside of the very bottom and very top as well as 5mans only.
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>>121244860
>tfw there's already a character that says "that's for making Garrosh Warchief" when they kill Thrall
I can't wait for the bantz when Garrosh comes for real
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>>121246342
match making is also questionable
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>>121246419
Maybe 400 or so since nobody that actually plays dota 2 could ever be considered intelligent.
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>>121246756
:)
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>>121235874
No we aren't. Artanis just got released last week. The tuesday after Blizzcon will be his 10k drop and then the following week is a hero.
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>>121247108
Fuck. And that is even if they follow the three week release, which they havent
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>Your
>Azmodan: E Build
>Tyrande: 12k healing at 17:00
>Murky: Safety Bubble build + March
>Gazlowe: Hobo-goblin, regen master etc
>Raynor: A Card to Play
>Johanna: Falling Sword

>Their
>Azmodan: Q Build
>Murky assassin build
>Tyrande: solid dps + high heal overall
>Azmodan on your team
>Gazlowe: Grav-o-Bomb

Screw this match-making.
>>
>>121247885
Falling bronze isn't that bad.
>>
>>121247885
>your Murky goes Bubble Memechine build
>enemy team is too tough to kill since he now does barely any damage but is still bursty enough to lock him down
>literally accomplishes nothing for the rest of the match

>enemy Murky goes Bubble Memechine build
>your team doesn't have the burst to do anything to him, so he can just keep harrassing you
Blizzard pls
>>
>tfw notice low level on your team that picked random on the loading screen
lets just say gg
>>
>>121220261
>>121220261
fairly thick, larger than your dickhole is closed

it feels good if you tug on it just slightly, i had a playful nurse tug it in a subtle manner earlier and i think i acquired a new fetish

it hurts like FUCK to have it put in though
>>
>>121246419
What percentile is that?
>>
>>121247885
>your zeratul gets shadow assault
>instantly dies every time he uses it
>enemy zeratul gets VP
>master combo setups every time
>>
>>121248362
>>your zeratul gets shadow assault
>>instantly dies every time he uses it
>enemy Zeratul gets shadow assault
>locks down and murders the squishiest person on your team every time he pops it
>>
>>121248273
top 1-4%
>>
>>121247885
>There Raynor gets a Card to Play
>is somehow calling Hyperion Raids in like every 20 seconds
>>
>>121248439
Top 1% is around 3400 MMR.
Top 4% is around 3020 MMR.
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>>121248602
>have friend who plays loves playing Raynor
>2 stack with him as Murky
>he takes Card to Play
>start suiciding over and over
>Hyperions forever
>>
>>121248362
>>121248424
I really want to enjoy Shadow Assault but the 100 second cooldown is just ridiculous.
>>
>>121248752
I dislike both of his ults. One is nigh useless and the other one has the habit of fucking your own team.
>>
is it normal to wait 10 minutes for quick match to form?
>>
>>121248752
>tfw Shadow Assault would be a great ult on any melee assassin except for Thrall or Zeratul because they already have incredible ults
>tfw Zeratul has it
>>
>>121246657
Who says that?
Li Li?

I like Thrall's quote if you click on him a few times: "After a few expansion packs Blizzard will replace me with Garrosh."
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>>121249262
>Who says that?
>Li Li?
I'm 90% certain it's either Tyrande or Malfurion but I only heard it once a long time ago so I'm a bit fuzzy. I barely play those characters and no one plays Thrall so it's hard to repeat
>>
What is the best raynor heroic?
>>
>>121249618

Depends on map. Both are useful.
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Why is Mulfurion such a nice chap?
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>>121190345

If we all bitch every day about medic ugly ass face, will Blizzard remodel it like Tychus? Please do mates, I really miss my cute medic. ; _ ;
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>>121250540
Because he sleeps alot.
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>>121249618

generally raiders is better, but hyperion is also good especially in maps where you need to control an area

hyperion doesn't even do *that* much damage, but people are scared to death of it
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>>121250543
They will remodel it to look like Tychus. Kinda like that only with more bulk
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>>121250947
Well it does to buildings but yeah it just tickles
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>>121250540
>spends centuries at a time "sleeping* with Ysera aka the second hottest piece of ass on Azeroth
>when he's done he goes home and bangs Tyrande while being king of the druids
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>>121251172
>second hottest
You what anon
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>>121250947
i tried riders but they are weak as piss, i send them after a hero but instead of taking him down they barely tickle him
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>>121251534
send them after a squishy support or specialist. They either die, get zoned hard, or their assassin has to break off from the fight to kill them
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>>121251331
lots of dragons are cuter
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>>121251534

raiders are harder to use in the context that you don't just dump it on a chokepoint or objective and then 98% of the time win the fight/take the objective because people puss out at a giant circle on the ground that barely does any damage

raiders don't do crazy damage either but they certainly will kill anyone squishy if a support doesn't immediately start helping them or an assassin doesn't break off to save them. Even if they don't kill the person, having a hero run around like a faggot while theres a fight going on is a positive thing, and if it leads to you winning a 4v5 teamfight then youve used raiders properly

Raiders take a bit of thought to decide who to use it on and when, it is not a "Push R-> person dies" ultimate in any sense
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>>121249393
It's Sylvanas.
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>>121252031
another character I hardly play, so that makes sense. Thanks anon
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>>121251172
really?
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>>121251978
but how do i know which heroes are squishy? i don't want to memorize the whole roster
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>We will be adding a new bundle to the shop that includes the Heroes and skins chosen by the winning team during the final match of the championship. The bundle will be available from November 17-24, in all regions, with the bundle price determined by the included items.
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>>121252383
malfurion is out banging deers and animals with cenarius
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>>121252393

>i dont want to memorize the whole roster
>I don't want to know every heroes abilities and roughly how much damage they deal/how long they stun for/etc
>I don't want to be able to know the limitations and capabilities of my hero and every other hero in the game depending on any given situation
>I don't want to use this information to act accordingly

You don't want to get better, and deserve to be bronze
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>>121252609
No i don't i play for fun i don't give a single shit about some tryhard league garbage
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>>121252423
>it will be a bunch of the most expensive and "coolest" looking skins and mounts in the game

Thanks blizzard
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>>121252393
think ranged assassin for the most part
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>>121252796
spoken like a true dumpster
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>>121252796

everything I described is effortless, you're a faggot.

spoken like a true bad
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>>121252815
no mounts, but it probably will be ~$40 in heroes and ~$50 in skins

I expect the bundle to be ~$45 all told
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Mannaroth, Hunter Killers, Fenix as a dragoon, I want these heroes ASAP.

Maybe some supercool raid bosses from WoW.

Ragnaros as a Melle Warrior, Malchazzar as a melle Warrior, Gruul as a Tank,

Archimonde Specialist.


These are my ideas and they are the best ideas and nobody elses ideas are as good as mine.
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>>121252796
If you are a ranged assassin you are squishy. Most supports squishy. Specialist vary and Warriors have the higher health pools in the game.
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>>121253159
>Ragnaros
I don't know much about the heroes in right now size-wise, but wouldn't that be a "Ridley in Smash!" scenario?
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>playing wc3 again
>meet that hermit warlock in broken isles
>look him up at the wiki to see what happened to him
>his entry is literally sanic tier
What the fuck
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Drak'Thul
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>>121252796
>implying any part of what he said is difficult at all
>implying you won't do it naturally unless you're literally retarded
fuck man. I'm the bottom of the fucking barrel dust league, and even this is too bronze for me
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>>121253159
Well they straight up said Fenix would have a Rez mechanic so he would probably be a zealot that turns into a dragoon.
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>>121253159
teron gorefiend as an always mounted character would be boss
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Teron_Gorefiend
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>>121253352
Won't happen, the developers don't like how small they have to make them
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>>121253230
there are voice references to rag in game. I think Li Li has a line for killing him.

They just have to scale him down, see also Sindragosa, raynors raiders, ultralisk, and so on
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>>121244392
I don't know if it's a bug or something but yu actually don't have to hit the final swing. It works like an aoe and every one on the radius gets effected. I usually take it unless the team has a big tank like Johanna or Muradin because Leech fucks them over.
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>>121253435
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/VO/Li%20Li/Li%20Li%20-%20Default/LiLi_KillRagnaros00.mp3
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>>121253230
Azmodan is like 6 times the size of Sonya in Diablo 3 but he's barely twice her size in HotS.
a siege tank is around 4 times the size of a marine but Raynor is taller than Hammer

hero scale is fucked, and it's not the only thing keeping anyone out
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>>121253401
They already did with Azmo.
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what does uther say
dont over think it?
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>>121253264

>tfw my life is given for auir
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>>121253596
>broken file
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>>121253984
So why did they remove reavers? I liked them
>tfw they will likely reappear in the campaign
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>>121254038
http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/index.html

the site is wonky as fuck, maybe it doesnt allow direct linking
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>>121254185
works for me in chrome, not in firefox
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>>121254185
Yeah, it worked embedded
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>>121253984
i really like this picture and I think its super cool. Thank you for posting it!
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>>121253401
>>121253435

that doesn't mean he'll get in

fuck there's data about the overmind and short of making a hero where you 'build' (or otherwise expand somehow) spawn creeps to push lanes, and even control those creeps to an extent he wouldn't make any sense
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>>121251978
haha you are right i just tried it, i had about 10% health against 3 heroes with almost full healths and i popped the hyperion and they immediately stopped following me and ran as fast as they could
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>>121254310
Its probably traces from blizzard testing ideas that got to the release version by accident, it doesn't really mean much
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>tfw
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>>121253984
>>121254297
I agree.
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>>121254585
You are a part of the problem
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>>121254585
wtf is up with this matchmaking?
>playing vs rank 5
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>>121254757

thats account level you dingus

>>121254585

congrats on your free win
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>>121254642
>>121254297
would you lose respect for me if I said I was a Li Li poster
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>>121254585
When did you pick Aba?
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>>121254585
wow
that is the worst I've seen
by a long shot
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>>121254829
Yes.
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>>121254585

wow I was going to say you'd automatically win because its blackhearts bay, but holy shit
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>>121254585
tweet that shit to dustin its too fun not to share
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>>121254662
Am I not allowed to play QM?
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>>121254865
Just played the game then. Stomp ofcourse.

>>121255206
I don't have twitter so feel free to do it yourself.
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>>121255519
Picking Aba in QM is asking for trouble. I think I've only had a balanced team with him once.
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>>121255662
We were a 5stack, the point of the image is us being matched against 4 brand new players.
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>>121254585
I don't understand, what is wrong with it?
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>>121255729
Oh I didn't even look at the ranks. Just that your comp was awful and I thought that was what you were complaining about.
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>queue in QM as Tyrande
>game ready
>Abathur in the other game
>mfw
find me a better feel, other than sniping that fag
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>Kael will never have ignite again.

As long as he has chain bomb he always be good but it's just not the same. A shame this isn't hearthstone because then he would have never been nerfed.
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who is that faggot hero with that green knife who always teleport to me all invisible and shit and instakills me with full health? that is broken OP as fuck how am i even supposed to defend against ridiculous shit like that
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accidentally started training. how can i exit and play normal?
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>>121256357
it's Zeratul and he's literally uncounterable
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>>121256357
It's Zeratul and you need to stop playing Valla
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>>121256456
Well you can play characters that have high health that's about it.
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>>121256553
i only play as raynor because other heroes are boring to me
but it doesn't matter it's always POP and i'm dead the next second
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>>121256574
or you can stop being literally blind, it's not like he's actually 100% invisible like Tass

>>121256646
>getting Zeratooled as Raynor

okay, so you're going out of your way to play as badly as possible with the one character who can survive basically everything. wow.
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>>121256192

its tough, but I feel sometimes total rapetrain games as murky compare
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>>121256778
You aren't going to know where he's at all the time. If he's just moving in a lane yeah easy to see, but if he's doing that then he's a bad Zeratul anyway so who cares.

Hell the best way to tell is the person you laning against. He all of sudden gets more confident starts trying to attack you more it's probably because Zera just came over and is ready to attack.
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>>121257330
brother, the ripple effects are CLEARLY VISIBLE nearly all the time, turn up your grafx if you can't see them. his model is so big you can't fucking miss him. unlike nova.
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>>121257330

if you can't see zeratul/nova or let them jump you your map awareness isn't anywhere close to where it should be
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>the next character will be Arcturus Mengsk
Literally who? All I know is it's some Starcraft character. Sounds like Abathur v2 with the command centre bullshit. Where my Warcraft heroes at?
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>>121257451
>>121257749
Yeah cause if he's hiding in the shadows or a bush it's really fucking easy to tell he's there. Also standing still no ripple effect. So if he's in position waiting while your off screen you have no idea. If they are moving around like crazy like fucking idiots. Yes very easy to see, but like I said if they are doing that outside of a fight they probably suck anyways.
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>>121257783
ummmm, source?
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>>121257783
I wish.
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>>121257947
>no rpple effect while standing still

why the fuck you lying
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>>121257783
I just realized that the next week is not only Morales free week, but the release week of a new hero. Looks cool..
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>>121258072
They give a tiny one but it's no where near as noticeable. Bottom line best way to counter Zera don't push the lane hard unless you see him elsewhere on the minimap.

Nova is terrible and doesn't matter anyway.

Or just pick Sonya. She destroys Zera.
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>>121258447
>be Leorich
>laugh all the way to the bank as Zeratul tries to burst you with his baby knives
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Yesterday I wanted to play some Raynor games as I suck with Assassins and I hear he is good nowadays. Even though we won the second game, both games were absolutely miserable due to a Zeratul. I was dying CONSTANTLY, I had 9 deaths the secon game, 9. With the easiest hero in the game.

It was so frustrating. I did fall into the trap of "oh, I can 1v1 this guy, oh fuck, Zeratul 1v2, burst, dead" early game, but late game, he seemed to manage to be behind the frontline in teamfights suddenly, I explode and he hops out. Sometimes my team made it into a 1 for 1 trade, but I was still dead half the time.

I know my map awareness must be piss poor for this to happen, but sometimes even when I see the shimmer I get fucked up.

How do I get good?
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>>121258625
Against Zeratul, and invisible assasins in general, a nice counter is to move sticked to your team
Also, if you play as Raynor, you could increase your passive's effects for making more difficult for Zera to burst you down. Bullseye can help with that stun too
I dont play much Raynor, that's all I can try to help :c
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>>121258625
Late game he has wormhole and can teleport next to you kill you and teleport back to his original position if this was behind a wall or something there was no shimmer to see.
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>>121258625
just kill him
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I haven't played since kael'thas release
is stitches good now
is abathr still op
which new hero since then is worth picking up
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>>121258959
go to hotslogs anon
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>>121258959
>Kael'thas release
>Abathur op
he was worse than he is now back then
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>>121192596

what happened to my poor senjinn??
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>Abathur on my team
wellp, another forced loss
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>get accepted into Overwatch
>get ready to play a game
>literally everyone is children
fuck this world, i'm gonna go yoloqueue Gaz
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Why are pajamathurs always the worst abathurs?

Like you see that skin and you just know that guy is shit at abathur
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>>121260143
Motorcycle crash. He's gonna die soon.
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Is there like some guild or some shit where i can play with people from here? I am a new player and never played any mobas before.
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>>121261109

conversely, why are skelethurs the best abathurs?

Like you see the skelethur and just know that guy has a wonderful grasp on the hero and excellent aesthetic taste
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>>121261109
>tfw you play pajamathur and aren't complete shit
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>>121260673
literally get gassed you cancer
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>>121261318

/join /vg/ in game

codeword for group is 'standard fuckparty' so just ask if anyones down
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>>121261471
unless you're on EU, where the channel is always ded
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>>121253236
>http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Drak'Thul
what the fuck are you talking about? he's a greasy old failure of an orc
>>
>check the shop
>all the cool heroes cost ten thousand coins
>only have 2000 coins
>i get 30 coins per match
>need to do like 250 matches
this is such a fucking grindy game jesus fuck
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>>121261824
do dailies and level your account
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>>121261824
Oh I'm sure, anon. I bet you've been playing enough to know how it is. Your experience really shows!
>>121192993
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>>121261824
I know the Vikings look sexy but I wouldn't jump into them unless you play Starcraft or something.
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>>121261109
>>121261356
>>121261368
is his master skin just not even worth it in the slightest?
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>>121263874
>is any hero's master skin just not even worth it in the slightest?
master skins are for people who like to touch themselves inappropriately
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>>121261824

if the hero is 4k or below buy with coins, 7 or 10 buy with cash

in b4 >good goy

>>121263874

the only master skin worth it is thrall, nova, and jaina. Honorable mentions to Raynor, Tass, Sylvanas, and TLV

That being said, 0 master skins are worth the gold
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>>121261824
Level heroes to 5, level your account and do dailies. I've been able to buy a few 10k heroes that way.
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>>121264675
>No Zagara
Not only her master skin, but that blue color looks great
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>>121264196
>>121264675
Chen's master skin is pretty cute in game.

Preview doesn't do it justice
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>>121264675
I love Tassadizzle's Master Skin. I also love that Anubis one in gold color.
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>>121263874
Master skins I like:

Sonya, Thrall, Lost Vikings, Falstad, Tyrande, Rexxar, Kael, ETC, Khaz, Tyrael, Murky and Jaina.
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>Illidan goes full hunt build when we have no tank.
>Still win.

The Vikings really can carry almost anything on the right map huh?
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>>121265753
What is full hunt build

You mean he took hunt?
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>>121265823
I mean seasoned marksman, no first aid, no sustain of any kind.
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>>121265873
so the retard build?
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Alright I'm fucking tired.
Is matchmaking purporsefully broken?
6 times.
6 fucking times I've been max EVERY STAT with positive k/d and yet I get bunched with fucking spastics.
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>>121258625
Against a team with heroes like zeratul give me more is sometimes a good idea to pick up. Depends on your healer. Also against zeratul I usually get double stun. Giant killer is only really worth it against double tank
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>>121266034
stats don't matter that much.
>>
So i tried asmodan and i love that shit, it's hilarious when i stand next to some hero, pop the life sucking beam on him and he tries so hard to kill me but my his life slowly goes down and my does no since i'm stealing his i racked up so many kills like that, fun as fuck
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>>121257947
There's definitely a ripple effect when standing. I zoom the camera in and out if I think i can see him and it ripples even more
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>>121265216
I think it looks badass in the preview. Now I just need to level his fat ass to 10.
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>>121265982
Yes. Hence why I said the Vikings really could carry anything.
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>>121256646
What is your Raynor talent build
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>>121266159
When I'm doing four times the damage of a goddamn raynor in both siege and hero, I think it might.
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>>121266320
>Not having him at level 20
Do you even fun????
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>>121266421
Not him but the leveling just takes so fucking long, even with Stimpack and playing with friends and on xp holidays.
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>>121266421
I'll get there one day. Real talk though, right now him and Murky are the most fun heroes to me.
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>>121251534
You have to micro them or they will be killed instantly
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>>121266034

matchmaking is what it is, everyone has experiences with how it sucks

I for one, HAVE to solo queue in HL. If i have a friend of similar skill level it pairs me with completely inept retards. and for some reason when i solo it doesn't

that being said matchmaking sucks and can be blamed for everything
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>>121266345
double long shot, banshees ult, bulls eye, and 50% more adrenalin efect
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>>121266596
Its just tiring. I can't have fun because I know my MMR is plummeting because I keep getting matched with AFKer's and people I'm convinced are blind for how often they see enemies or objectives.
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>>121266589

>murky

you have potential
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>>121266793

what rank/mmr are you?
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>tfw you're 30 points off rank 1
>you queue up
>team picks are OK
>last guy highlights butcher
>say please not butcher
>picks illidan instead
>oh lawd here we go
>loading screen
>he's level 32
>in placements
>takes seasoned marksman
>dies 3 times before level 4
>leaves and doesn't come back
Tfw
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>>121255889
Rank 1s vs people that just installed
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>>121193852
>>121194403
god damn that's embarrassing
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>>121266506
A d v e n t u r e
>>121266589
I love playing with murkys, they're fun people
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neat
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Why is Rehgar meme tier?

I like playing as him
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>>121266981
Plat in both hero and QM.
Rank 8
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>>121267803
because uther is better
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>>121267803
Rehgar isn't bad
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>>121267803
Because pretty much every support in the game is better than him. All he has going for him is his ult.
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>>121268683
He needs a melee assassin like Illidan to be a decent pick in my opinion
However most melee assassins are pretty bad
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>>121267803
He's not meme tier, he's just worse than he was before. There's really not a lot of fantastic supports.
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>>121269417
>tfw afraid of needles
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>>121190426
Literal legend she is not, respect for lothar orgrim where? Smh tbqfh senpai
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>>121269674
>literal legends like Kilrogg Deadeye and Teron Gorefiend will never be in the game
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>>121269312
Healer picks depend on enemy team mostly. Only exception is really uther because he has AE heal, ST heal and stun so he fits into everything. Rehgar is good against anything with a lot of AE
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>tfw you lose a 30 minute shrines game that you were winning because one of your players has to go afk

also pretty sure the valla from that game is from here, ur build was wack lad
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>>121267803
>rehgar
>meme
he's the best support, uther is meme tier
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>>121263874
It's his only good skin. He turns into the zerg symbol.
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>>121269417
the injection is so big you would die from being impaled
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My friend and I got partnered up with a party of 3. We absolutely wrecked, then sent out friend invites and partied up as a 5 man team. We then won 5 games in a row.

Is this how comp teams happen?
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>>121270956
Yeah, pretty much. It's called making friends.
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>butchers face when all these free week zeratul and illidans
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>>121213002
>maiev
>meme hero

Pick 2
>>
So, who's the first hero you got to level 10? Was it your favorite?

Mine was Tassadar.
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>>121274447
Chen and yes
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>>121274447
nazeebo

he wasn't my favorite, but he is fun and good.
>>
>>121274447

I bought the 10 cheapest hereos so I could play hero league
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>>121274447
Anub'arak, no regrets. Knew nothing about how well he was in a team but I was sure I'll try my hardest on playing the kinky king himself.
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>>121274447
Malfurion

I still like him, but I can't say hes my favorite anymore.
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>>121274447
Kerrigan.

Meh, she could be better
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>Win the games quest
>Play three games as TLV
>>
>day 245
>low on food
>flask is empty
>the curse is creeping in
>still no bans for HL
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>>121276820
They have like no heroes in the game, they can't do bans yet.
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>>121274447
Muradin
Also he was my first master skin

Still love playing with him from time to time
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>>121274447
Murky
Yes
>>
>play Azmodunk on the free week
>love how much shit he has to do in a match, from spawning demons everywhere, lazering the shit out of buildings and dunking minions and enemies

Might buy him with my 10k gold, since I have a lot of heroes already.

Any advice for him though? Early game I always have issues getting globe stacks, although that improves once I hit lv 7 then lv 10 and get pools ulti.

>>121274447
Vikings.

I think I'm a meme lord.
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>>121274447
Valla, and she's still the cutest
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>tfw you realize no one plays Warden Tyrande because it's the only skin that doesn't show her ass
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>>121274447

Li Li then Leoric and Muradin.
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>>121274447
Tyrande or Kerrigan, I don't remember but I played them a lot in the beta.
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>>121274447
Either Kerrigan or Jaina forget which one, and at the time they were. Not anymore though.
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>play 'carry vikings'
>oh wait i'm still low mmr
>no one gets seeds on my team but the enemies skirt around them and get 3 terrors before we get 1.
>told them at start of the match "get seeds at first don't fight because vikings".
>find out three of them are russians
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>>121274447
Jaina, I really wanted her master skin when she came out
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>>121278412
Have a buddy play Leoric, Johanna or Tassadar, let him use his skeletal swing, condemn or static storm on the creep wave and then you clear it with Q. That's usually the easiest way, the other way is... You know... Git gud
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AFK Training?

I r8 it 8/8, it's gr8 m8
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>team is nothing but auto-attackers
>Abathur takes prolific dispersal
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE THINK HE'S BAD YOU FUCKING RETARDS
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>>121280283
What's the point of afk training if you can't even beat human players?
More like CommanderIamBad lmao
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>>121280283
I've AFK'd my way to rank 40 with L5 on 80% of the cast.

Feels good to have a fat stack of gold.
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>>121281285

>taking prolific dispersal on any map but Spider Queen

yeah, have fun fucking your trait up the arse when you coulda taken ballistospores and tunnel from base to an enemy keep instantly
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>>121281408

>what's the point of AFK training the absolute worst hero to QM as if you can't guarentee Uther and Abathur

don't be awkward on purpose m8

>mfw reading that
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>>121281430
he actually did go full memepush other than prolific dispersal, which makes it doubly annyoing since he not only used a trash build for our team comp, he then proceeded to spec it wrong and throw away any XP advantage we got from splitpushing by making us lose every objective except the one where we somehow 3v3'd the enemy team and wiped them before it popped
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>>121274447
Johanna.
Yes.
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Two more days until deep dive!
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>>121282172

what map was it?
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>>121282270
Battlefield of Eternity.
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>>121282008
>not rank 1 yet
lmaoing @ ur winrate senpai
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>>121282226
>you will never deep dive into tyrande's ass
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>team fights like complete retards
>will go all out for 2 heroes but wont contest objectives
>i solo stop a boss from taking our fort while Sonya and Butcher die for no reason
>mfw come back and 3v5 with tyrande and nove due to a great ring of frost
>mfw carry the shit out of that game

Is HL any different from QM? If not ill be rank 1 in no time im sure
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>>121274447
Kerrigan
she's slipping, but still top-3
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>playing Haunted Mines as Murky

>>121283740
I find HL to be way more savage, you get stomped into complete shit more often than QM. I've lost like 10 ranks, now I'm depressed and playing QM "for fun". But the ranked games keep calling me, but I need a break. Then again I'm fucking rank 40 now and can't drop any lower...
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>>121284216

I found HL to be more structured team comp wise. Games werent won/lost in the first 10 minutes as often. End game of as more important. Then again I'm rank 2 and was placed in 10 so there could be a difference.
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>>121284216
I stopped playing HL because of terrible matchmaking. Also because Gazlowe pickers have not been gassed yet
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>>121285032
Same, i cant even play QM games anymore since i get teams with 3 specs and 2 assassins...
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>>121285160
See
>>121285215

QM is all about getting a lucky team comp IMO still fun for trying different things but there's more luck in it.
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>>121285380
The way I see it in QM it's 50% chance you get a shit comp, and in HL it's a 50% chance you get griefing picks and cunts
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>>121286294

Hmmmm I haven't had that experience so I can't agree or disagree.
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>>121286294
Is that in lower ranks? At rak 1 I haven't really run into many people grief picking
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shitters should be banned desu, tired of >carrying my teams
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How the fuck does Tychus have such low auto attack damage? His range and mobility are awful
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>>121286710
I'm rank 5 but feels like I get those people too often. I have no motivation to try to rank up because of crap like this. I lose 100 points because of some fag who can't draft
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>>121286710

I wonder if he is the kind of person that thinks murky/ab on haunted mines and gazlowe on dragonshire is griefing.

Then ends up crying so hard he can't play properly and ends up losing it for his team but blames it on someone else's pick he didn't know how to play around.
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>>121274447
>level 10

m8 I play solo without stims how the fugg am I supposed to get to 10
closest heroes are zera, valla and aba
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>>121287290
play a single hero religiously
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>>121287290
It takes about 70-80 games. No need to rush it, just enjoy the heroes
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>>121287153
He attacks ~ 1 000 000 times a second when he revs up his gun, so that kind of offsets the low damage.
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The worst drafters are those that absolutely cannot grasp the concept of not having 3 assassins.
Nevermind the fact that 2 tank comps crush on most maps and 1.5 sups are super useful too.

>waaah if we dont have kt, raynor and jaina we're gonna lack damage
SHUUUUT UUUUUUUP
Just today I had some faggot flame me during the draft for gettign Tass on mines when we already had Li Li. "enjoy ur lose" and all that. Then we utterly crushed the other team and he was curiously silent.
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When they say "we dont need support" I know not to take the match too seriously
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>>121287568

People don't realise tanks can auto attack as well. To be fair a lot of people don't optimize their damage by weaving in auto attacks when they play ability heavy heroes.
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>free zeratul and illidan
>every QM team has both of the shitters
please tell me it gets better towards the end of the rotation and they are just getting their lvl 5s
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>>121287795
Not only that, like 70% of the warrior pool are bruisers and simply deal good damage. Anub is one of my favourite heroes and heroes and he can deal a lot of damage and disrupt a lot, but he can't solo tank.
But it's so hard to get people to pick double tank, I always have to trick people into it by selecting something else and then switching.
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>>121287959

Yeah I agree, it's also nice to have two tanks like leoric and Johanna so Leo can be in the enemy teams face soaking damage and disrupting squishies while Johanna can peel for your teams sqhishies. It's how you play with your comp as much as what comp you pick.
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How do I get blizzcon goodies without being there
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>>121288578
Buy the virtual ticket.
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>>121248827
>vp fucks your team
Baddie
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>>121267745
Don't you dare fuck that up

New account now
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>>121287867
>playing qm
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>>121274447
Leoric was first but I had tychus like 200k xp away from 10 for like 3 weeks before him
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>>121287959
>but he can't solo tank.
How many warriors actually can? Johanna, Muradin, ETC, Leoric, Diablo?
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>>121289762
ETC and Diablo can tank?
That's new
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>>121278412
Ask someone on your team that can clear well to help you stack globes. If no one will I usually laser an Archer till its 1 hit then attack the mage then dunk and get 2-3 minions per wave
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>>121289762
Muradin and Johanna good solo tanks
Leoric and ETC barely acceptable solo tanks
Everyone else shitty solo tank unless you're playing battlefield or something
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>play support
>have to deal with retarded tanks
>play tank
>can lead team to victory
I like playing support more, but it's pretty much RNG on if your tank is a retard or not
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>>121289891
Couldn't think of anyone else desu

The point was to show that the "only one warrior as tank" idea leaves out most of them and is for retarded shitters
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>>121290571
hey that happens to me too
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How
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>>121290823
Yeah, I would say that idea, in a decent competitive game isn't really viable
I see this game designed for having 2 tanks on a team
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did
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I just want the 30 day stimpack to go on sale again
I would get so much gold from level 9's
blizz please
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we
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>>121292740
fuck?
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get
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>>121292306
>>121292519
>>121292740


Wait so the best girl is also the hottest? Blasphemy!
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>Naz asks me why I haven't used Play Again as Vikings.

It might just be because they are all alive and there's no reason to just throw it out.
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>>121292306
How can Tyrande be so perfect in everything?
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>>121274447
brightwing, yes, still is
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>That hero you own but regret buying / don't play at all
who is it, /hotsg/ ?

For me it is Sylvanas
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>>121295839
TLV. Sylvanas' master skin looks dope as fuck.
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>>121295839
What if you own every hero?
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>>121295839
Sylvanas is superb on haunted mines though
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>>121295839
azmodan and kaelthas
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>>121295839

Chen, I thought Lili would love me for it
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>>121295839
johanna
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>Want Monk Master Skin.
>Know that if a female monk skin comes out I'd never wear the master skin.

What do?
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>>121295839
Zagara. It seems like every time I play her the enemy team is AoE Burst: The Team Comp and I'm half as useful as I could be because all my creep gets instantly memed
>tfw Swarm portrait never
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>>121295839
Brightwing

>buy bw since he's op
>literally the next day the nerf him into the ground
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>>121297192
Anon, pls
BW is strong beautiful woman

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/brightwing/
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>>121296145
I know the feel, all but 4 heroes and I try to play them all at least for one game every once in a while even Gazlowe
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>>121297192
>tfw Brightwing carried me to rank 1 before the reset
those were the good days
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>>121297527

The Gaz man is fun
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>>121297671
>tfw the days before Brightwing nerfs and support vs support QM where getting a Brightwing on the other team gave you like a 75% chance to lose
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>>121295839
Tyrande.
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any azmodunk tips? did alright this game despite misclicking and taking bronze invasion - he feels kinda unwieldly at times

>QM
bah who cares right? numbers probably low
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>>121300129

My tip: numbers don't mean anything stop caring about them
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>>121300298
Death numbers are meaningful
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>>121300759

Sure but what if you initiated multiple fights in a way that let your team ace them but you died every time.

You can't go by numbers alone.
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>Raynor takes Raider's Recruit.
>On Haunted Mines.

I hate everyone.
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>>121300129
Lane with someone that has a solid aoe spell to soften up waves for you to dunk so you can build stacks early in the game.
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>>121301662
It's not that bad of you are facing a decent medic
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>>121301860
Raider's RECRUIT. Not Raiders.
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>>121301662
>>121301902
he wants to steal their giants
its not a good plan, but it is a plan
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>>121301662

I think his logic was that you don't get as much value from SM so he wanted to pinch their giants as he could.

Granted it's as bronze as the result of smelting tin and copper ore together because GMM exists
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>>121302182
He used it on the middle camp and pinged people when they wouldn't come while they were destroying our fort because him and Johanna decided they were more important.

Oh he also used them while he was being chased like that would help.
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man, Brightwing's third color is neat.
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>>121286710
Rank 28, last night needed a tank, player picked Thrall "because he's durable". Take a guess as to how that turned out.

Or firstpick Novas, Gazlowes or Hammers. I wish it was reportable.
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HOW DID I KNOW STORMPUNK KAEL WAS ON SALE

GET FUCKED NIGGERS

IT'S MY TIME
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>>121301902
Oh whoops
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The elephants will destroy you
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>>121302997
they post the sales on fridays
http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13605640947?page=3
everyone knew
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>>121302997
Haha, I remember you posted hoping he would be, even though we already knew he was going to be.
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>>121303142
Well met!
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>>121302252
If you aren't going to take SM why wouldn't you take Give Me More?
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>>121303289
>>121303445

w-whataver, bakas...
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>mfw I finally "get" Sonya
Why is the best melee assassin called a warrior?
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>>121305324
>ashkandi on the left hand
>quel'serrar on the right
>triggered
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>>121305769
Titan's Grip :^)
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>>121305324
>mfw a rank 1 on my team asks what first skill to get
>I tell him war paint
>he says lol! blocked.
>takes the 200 fury talent
>never goes above 80 fury
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>>121300129
Can you stop blogging your bronze QM games here
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>>121305876

I was referring to the in-game model of Sonya carrying ashkandi on the right and quel'serrar on the left.

Moreover, ashkandi is 2h whilst quel'serrar is a 1h. Titan's Grip wars are exclusively dual 2h or dual 1h to maximize boniuses.
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>>121306056
>mfw people take Shot of Fury because they can't hit spears
>mfw people take Endless Fury because they don't slam enough
>mfw there's literally only one option at level 1 but tryhards think every character is Uther and more actives = better so they take Shot
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>>121306490

endless fury is pretty good because you can keep a big reserve of fury at all times, but the slam auto attack fix has made auto attack build the end all be all and there's not really a reason not to go it now

shot of fury always felt like a crutch
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>>121225858
Witnessed
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>>121274447
abathur
yeah back then yes but now my fav is definetly murky
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Do YOU personally feel that turning to win rates to see who needs to be buffed/nerfed is a reasonable way of going about balancing this game?

Yes, no, or "To a certainn extent"? Tell me what you guys think.

Pic related is a hero who has been absolutely assfucked because of shit like this, I feel.
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>tfw that one guy that endlessly overextends the first few minutes of the game and ruins everyone else's game
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>>121310147
No. I've always felt buffing and nerfing on win rates was stupid. You can tell when something is terrible without seeing that.

Artanis is complete garbage, I don't care what his win rate is. Tassadar has a terrible win rate last I saw and he is really good.
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>>121310147
somewhat, but you also have to consider pick rate, and the idea that they want to balance for all levels of play, and the fact that part of the problem with heroes with shitty winrates is that good players are much more likely to avoid them, so they get drugged down even more by only shitters picking them
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>>121306763
>>121306490
Follow Through or Ferocious Healing?

I was going with Healing, but ever since I switched to Follow Through, I've felt like I sustain MORE since my auto attacks (esp with Berserker up) are so powerful with Focused Attack
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>>121310720
Follow Through if you trust your support to keep you alive and yourself to not be suicide without the heals. Otherwise Ferocious Healing
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>>121310720

follow through is generally better

if you have to take ferocious healing you, or your healer, is doing something wrong
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Someone asked about these the last thread.

The one with the spikes is to feed cedea with suffering, this one with a horn at the front make the floor, they seemed separate from everything cedea said about them but it wasn't stated.
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>try to learn how to play sonya in QM
>i'm the only warrior on my team, 0 supports
>enemy team has 2 warriors and a support
>i can't engage, but no one else on our team can take hits either
>enemy team fucking destroys us, but instead of pushing lanes they just dick around killing us over and over in a 30 minute slog
why does quickmatch do this
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>>121306490
>top players agree that shot of fury is the most useful tier 1 talent
>some random shitter on /hotsg/ acts super confident and says it's garbage
gee, who should i trust
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>>121313070
who agrees?
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>playing muradin
>master abathur on my team
>feel safe and play super agro
>tfw he is always there
>tfw he master plans mine traps 10 years ago
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Sylvanas and Tyrande are really fun to play. Raynor is so boring though.
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>>121274447
don't have any. not that far past the point where i don't have to worry about finishing lvl 5s every week. nova and valla are nearing 9.
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>>121274447
Tyrande. Still my favorite support to play if that counts. Though since I already have her Master skin I wind up playing other supports a lot to level them up too.
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>>121313070
>using crutch talents
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>>121278412
Unless you have a buddy or someone who knows what you're asking for (shocking number of people have no idea), it's going to be pretty slow going til pool.
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How do people enjoy Hearthstone? It legitimately boggles my mind.

I can understand for every other Blizzard game. But I've never seen such a rancid piece of shit be so popular.

I just don't GET IT.
>>
>>121314962
>bottom of the barrel casual
>runs on any piece of technology more advanced than an iPhone 4
>le ebin RNG
>it's the only game Blizzard still cares about
>only online CCG other than Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG games that are so buggy they're barely playable
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>>121314962
It was fun in beta
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>>121314962
Super simple game with short matches. Because of this ,the game is essentially just a mine for small bursts of instant gratification, much like MOBAs, but with even shorter games and less work required. It's also this sort of thing that makes it a top viewed game on Twitch in that you basically just watch others go through the ups and downs of said mine of satisfaction.

It's basically all about that addiction to Dopamine that we all seem to cave in to. Everyone likes to feel great and satisfied.

I hate that fucking game though. Everybody just netdecks, nobody stops to figure out a deck of their own and all that. I'm not down for that kind of bullshit. It's boring to me.
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>>121315552
>ebin RNG
what RNG is there? i've seen a lot more RNG in dota 2 and lol
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>>121315552
>>121315785
>>121315845

It's not even that it's a shit game, I think there's something objectively evil about it. Like some unholy ritual inside Activision Blizzard headquarters happened that sacrificed some puppies and small children in order to give life to this game.

I never ever get mad playing games. Whenever I lose in Hearthstone, I want to tear my eyes out. I've only lost twice and not gotten mad, and that was because I lost because of a legitimate mistake I made, not because of RNG. It's actually fucking maddening how little skill matters.
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Do you ever get that kind of match where when you eventually win, you get off your chair and go RAARRRGGHHH like a victorious barbarian? This was one. Back and forth for absolutely ages, and nothing was better than charging at the enemy core with a 33min terror before smashing everything to bits.

It was a good thing I did my stretches during the draft screen, really
>>
HS is fucking boring and stupid. MTG is so much more fun, tons of actual cool and fun decks that can be made even if you aren't playing at top level. Power levels can go off the charts in MTG. All the cool minions in HS can't remain on the field more than one turn. Like the priestess that adds 1 hp to someone. That's a fun card, but when you can attack cards directly it makes it shit.
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>>121317309
If a game ever goes past 25 minutes you know you are bronze. Grats on your victory though. You finally won a game.
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mfw rape time
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>>121316442
>what RNG is there?
nigga have you played the game? Like 1/3 of the cards have some sort of RNG mechanic, and every expansion they add more
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>>121316442
I'm so glad hots doesn't have rng
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>>121317802
15~ minute games are average 'one team totally stomps' the other
30+ minutes are either well balanced or the winning team went retard when they were about to win and the game dragged on longer
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>>121311971

What, these guys?

None of them are unique, they are all flayed to line the floors; and cydaea doesnt literally feed on their suffering, she's just a sadist.

If you're wondering about their story, such is the fate of traitors.
>>
God, I want this tyrande free week to end, the retards that pick this ass bait are the same retards that play sylvanas on her free weeks, I wish I could opt out of getting paired with people playing free to play heroes
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>>121315552
>>121316442


Soo, if RNG is bad, trash and makes for no competitive game... Is poker also a shit game?
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>mewn, chu and horsepants all going to blizzcon
>no fucking streams going on

wtf am I supposed to do
inb4 play the game, already did that for hours
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>>121318776
oh i didn't even notice he was talking about hearthstone in /hotsg/

>>121319420
games can be fun, aka not shit, even with RNG. but RNG makes a game total dog shit for demonstrating skill.
poker is literally nothing but mind games and luck
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>>121319420
>Soo, if RNG is bad, trash and makes for no competitive game... Is poker also a shit game?
that'll be a fair comparision when Poker gets rules like "when ever you have an ace in your hand, roll a dice and if it lands on an even number, take half your opponent's chips" The problem is the RNG outside the bounds of card draw like Dr. Boom and Shredder and stuff like that
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>>121190345
Anyone feel like throwing an XP boost my way? Im in that gap between 26 and 30 and its really hard to get up the motivation to play, I just wanna do ranked.

BigZee#1471
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>>121319420
>Is poker also a shit game?

Yes. Play Bridge instead.
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>>121319535
get a life then you fucking loser. even a job for a couple hours would give you money to buy some new skins/heroes you want
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>>121319728
Just quit now. You obviously don't enjoy the game, and ranked is trash.
>>
>qm blackhearts bay
>go mid
>everyone else goes mid
>move to top to soak exp for these retards
>they all fucking follow me
>run to bottom to soak exp
>everyone just running around the map like a retard occasionally dying
>NOT EVEN 3 MINUTES INTO THE GAME
and that's the first game I ever just said 'fuck this' and left, jesus christ
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Me x Hardened Shield OTP
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>>121318883
>not winning in under 9 min if you stomp them
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Rehgar, Johanna or someone's master skin?
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>decide to play this game
>wait a good 10 minutes for quick match
should i being doing anything differently wtf is going on m8s i dont play this game often
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>>121321324
dead game, dead thread.
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>>121321324
you're picking a free hero and you're low level
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>>121313382
>>121314707

Not the anon you were arguing with, but if anything War Paint is the crutch talent. It helps you out if you've taken more damage than you should from bad placement, engagements etc. just generally beneficial to your quality of life whilst playing and not needing to worry too much.

Shot of Fury is by far the better talent here, it rewards a precise understanding of your hero's limits and is the talent that raises Sonya's burst potential. It rewards a high risk - high returns play style which allows for the best possible output if you are good at math or just have been playing Sonya long enough.

In general your choice is between a moderate amount of increase to your burst (Shot of Fury) vs a more than moderate increase to your sustainability (War Paint). For any competitive hero, it is obvious which talent is better; but especially for Sonya, where survivability in the common scenario is better served by burst rather than by outlasting something.

It should be said that whether you take War Paint or not, you will still die under focus. And if you are against coordinated teams, you cannot expect the luxury of hitting things in a fight,at least for very long, to generate resource.
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best jaina build? I always lose with her
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>>121314962
it's the art and atmosphere. design wise it's no better than any other card game.

>>121316459
it's so simple you know what's coming and can't really do anything in most cases. it actually is evil because people think buying packs is going to fix that.

it's not just the addiction but you often think you are very close to winning a game because you never rematch anyone in best of series. your delusions are always covered in mystery.

>>121317348
it is pretty dull. most hands are going to play themselves with limited choice and a small degree of hedging.

>>121319420
for online yes. HS is fun when you are ignorant but it turns into similar number crunching once you are familiar with the cards and netdecks.
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>>121322143
builds probably won't help you
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When's the last time a team with Tychus won, anyway?

Constantly ahead all of the time due to Vikings, our Zagara landed some phenomenal maws, one of which caught Li Li, Hammer and Kael'Thas right at the exact moment they converged, into a Valla RoV wombo combo all in time for our immortal to BUILDING IT UUUUPPP, TO BREAK IT BACK DOWN.

Also, for anyone using quick cast on Muradin, go full manual. Improved my Qs a ton. I'm also pretty certain Muradin is better than Johanna nowadays, he's a lot easier to win with.
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>>121322898

this blog fucking sucks

if you're going to post about your bronze games at least post something interesting or funny
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>>121322571
I dunno, maybe i'm just unlucky

>losing all game but still top hero damage
>most xp contribs
>telling everyone what they need to do but noone listens
It only happens when I fucking play Jaina
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>>121314962
The same reason you enjoy hotshit over other mobas
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>>121321998
I can see that in competitive play, but in QM where we don't always have a good support and you can heal back up to full off of a keep without having to hearth back, warpaint is a godsend.

Shot of Fury does make sense for burst, but I feel as though I'm never actually out of fury.
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>guy is playing horribly
>OH SORRY GUYS IM LAGGING REALLY BAD LIKE I CANT SEE ANYTHING
>OH GOD SORRY GUYS THIS LAG IS SO BAD
there can't be THAT many people with lag issues, I get one of these guys almost every other game
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>>121322143

Jaina was my first hero and I continue to use her regularly with great effect. Although I use an unconventional build, according to Hotsdogs. It's a very fragile build, but it can clear poorly positioned teams or groups in literally a couple of seconds. Statistically, this build is phenomenal, but it takes awhile to get used to it.

>Lingering Chill
It's used by less than 4% of Master players so I'll explain my reasons. Deep Freeze increases your chill's slow from 25% to 35%, which arguably helps keep targets under your Blizzard longer to help your second wave crash, but, at least personally, it has never made much of a difference for me in landing both waves.

Raising your chill from 4 to 6 seconds however is far understated in utility. It doesnt simply add 2 seconds and is much different from if it were to say, increase your chill duration from 1 second to 3 seconds. The key attribute here is that Frostbolt's cooldown is exactly 4 seconds. You can land consecutive harassment bolts on chilled targets that make use of chill's 50% bonus to your spell damage. It will also help you greatly when combined with the later talent: Icy Veins.

>Snowstorm
a 50% enhanced Envenom may seem like a good idea, but sadly Chill does not affect Envenom. Moreover, with the following talent setup it will never reach the full duration before your target dies. The increased radius on Blizzard is more than just a quality of life talent for poor aim, it does actually help you catch more heroes in a group fight.

>Ice Floes
Taken mainly for the cooldown reduction but is highly useful in catching more targets.

>Summon Water Elemental
It applies chill which helps your initial spells land 50% harder. Also, it does quite a bit of damage on it's own if ignored. This guy is also faster than the base speed of heroes and is very effective at catching runners with a 6s slow. He's still the weaker of the two ults until lvl 20 however.
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>>121324451

habeeb it
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>>121324451
Happens to me all the time because people in my house start streaming. It's not as bad as you make it sound, but it makes playing assassins a nightmare.
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>>121322143
contd.

>Icy Veins
This essentially doubles your damage potential, albeit it would take slightly longer to finish a nuke rotation. Ice Block is a crutch, but I take it in some cases, e.g. against some builds of Butcher/Illidan.

>Northern Exposure
This is why you want your Cone of Cold to cooldown as fast as possible and hit as many things as it can. This adds 25% damage to your spells. It aids greatly in taking down structures (with your team)

>Wintermute
Together with Icy Veins, ceteris paribus, this triples your damage potential. Not factoring the 50% bonus from Chill and 25% bonus from Northen Exposure.

Last notes on Jaina: Around mid-game, a 33% increased radius blizzard is enough to wipe out an entire creep wave on it's own, it's easy to drop one down while passing by a wave. Before then, you can add a cone of cold to clear waves but don't get too eager. Always keep enough mana for an entire rotation and a half.
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>>121325448

Forgot to add: a full nuke rotation (w/ Icy Veins) at lvl 20 should yield ~17k damage. I've encountered nothing so far that can survive this even after all it's damage mitigation spells/talents.
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>>121194403
looks like lord of the rings which i'm pretty sure is what they are aiming for.
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Who is the best support and why is it Brightwing?
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>>121327091
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>>121254585

I doubt you will see this 14 hours later, and probably don't care, but just so you know, someone has posted this, and is pretending to be you on the hots reddit

It's probably because I tweeted it to Dustin a few hours ago (with your blessing)
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>>121327091
>you will never go back to when BW and Stitches were the gods of this game
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>>121327091
>>121328875
pls only post >50% winrate supports
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>>121329353
>valla with battle momentum
>naz with full team ravenous
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>>121269417
in the waifu department
seriously why did we get a hispanic
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>>121329420
>Alpha Tassgod
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Is Valla good? haven't played in a while
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>>121329894
she isn't weak, but just doesn't have the burst needed, and gets blown up really easily
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>>121327091

It's pointless to consider supports from a theoretical perspective. The optimal situations are unlikely to be achieved and the value of support spells other than healing are impossible to quantify yet make a significant impact on the game.

With all cooldown's refreshed:

Best single-target healing numbers come from Li Li, unsurprisingly. I would think that the inability to control who gets healed would matter more but eh.

Rehgar is a surprising second, but the optimal conditions he needs is highly unlikely to be achieved. Bloodlust is a theorycrafter's wet dream, but in practice difficult to set-up and optimize.

Malfurion's output is just slightly under Rehgar's optimal but is applied the slowest. Moreover under optimal conditions Malfurion's primary heal's cooldown can be cut down to 3.5 seconds which might serve high warrior/tanky comps best of all.

Uther has less than half the output of Malfurion. This is largely due to the fact that *both* his healing spells are on a 12 second cooldown with a lack of CDR talents. Every 50 seconds he can do a double heal via Benediction. It should be said that Uther's heals are all burst, which is invaluable in practice along with Divine Shield.
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>>121329894
I was gonna say you could do worse with a 2000g hero, but I'm not sure.
She's not bad though.
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>tfw my mmr is 1405
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>>121327091

I assume you were joking with Brightwing, but if not, he/she/it has the most random output of all, though not necessarily unreliable. The randomness comes from his/her/it's CDR talents. The primary heal, for example, is reduced in cooldown by 1 second for every basic ability used. Yet the healing cannot be said to be unreliable either, because it is theoretically the player who controls the factors involved (i.e. the casting of spells) - yet in practice the player is influenced by the situation and environment and so doesnt necessarily have full control of the healing output.

There seems to be very little calculation involved or even able to be done while playing Brightwing. It's more or less casting spells and hoping for the best not knowing whether or not you can survive an engagement prior to it.
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>>121331830
she -> >>121297468
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>>121331830

I might as well conclude. I don't play supports often enough but, blindly, I'd recommend Malfurion for the current meta (warrior/tanky comps)

Li Li, evidently, seems to be the easiest hero to achieve an effective healing output, whilst Uther would *probably* be the best choice for high dps (mage) or mixed comps.
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>>121331478

then you have plenty of room to improve
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>>121332387

And yeah, Rehgar for basic attack comps, if you somehow can organize an effective use of bloodlust.

Basically the best support really depends primarily on your team's comp and to a lesser extent your opponent's comp.
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>>121329894
Falstad is basically a better version of valla.
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>>121329894
same as before, can still hard carry with multi, searing, executioner. bad players need not apply
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>>121329894
she is. not amazing but she gets shit done

>>121330463
tyrande it is then
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>>121332846
That can't be true, I love Falstad and all, but I thought he was considered to be one of the worst ranged assassins in the game.
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Well, this just happened.

I was AFK in training mode and wondering what was taking them so fucking long
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Pro-tip for all my homies scrubbing it up in the high 30s, nahmean. Pick Brightwing. 8 times out of 10 the other team have no idea what to do the entire game because it's not Uther, LiLi or Malf.
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>CommanderITF

Would it have been anyone else, really?
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>>121321998
>heal 300+ hp every second when you slam
>bad
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>>121322898
Can you stop
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>>121335463
>implying people in the high 30's know how to deal with anyone

you might not have been stuck there with better picks to begin with
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Numbers for reference of what the top and bottom figures are like as mentioned in >>121330463

At level 20:

Li Li (single target): 143.3 per second; delivered in intervals of 3s + 3600 over 6s every 70s

>Healing output (single target) in a 4 second window: 2,660

>Healing output (single target) in a 6 second window: 4,460

>Healing output (single target) in a 15 second window : 5,750

>Healing output (single target) in a 60 second window: 12,200

Uther (single target): 117/s; delivered in intervals of 12s + 935 every 50s

>Healing output (single target) in a 4 second window: 2,350 (static until 12 s)

>Healing output (single target) in a 6 second window: 2,350 (static until 12s)

>Healing output (single target) in a 15 second window: 4,765 (static until 26s)

>Healing output (single target) in a 60 second window: 8,010
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>>121336329
Don't shit on my pro-tip!
But so at what point do you just abandon someone like Brightwing and just pick Uther?
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>>121336624
BW is fun and cute; but, if you want to move up the ladder soloq, you are best served taking the strongest soloq no cooperation/coordination needed heroes

that isn't bw
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>>121336434

Notes,

Li Li:

Some single target healing will inevitably be lost as Li Li tries to bring everyone up evenly, it is difficult for Li Li to top a single hero off to 100% unless everyone else is at 100% or 75% unless everyone else is at 75%, and so on.

Li Li heals an additional target for 3600 in 70s intervals.

Uther:

Some single target healing is likely to be lost due to overheal.

Uther self-heals for 480 and heals 480 in a line in 12s intervals.
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>>121317309
It happened one time when I teamed up with a medic bitchboi as Sonya. It was brutal.
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So.. Li Li has better consistency as expected but also a better bursty heal than Uther.

Numbers arent everything though,

Uther gets a reliable stun and invul. (and at 20, has about 1000 more health than ranged healers)

Li Li gets a situational blind and... a cloud serpent.
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I quit this game for a week or two, it gave me some time to reflect.
The reason why most of us find frustration is because we are trying to be competitive in a casual environment.

I find myself raging at retards causing me auto-loses or completely apathetic when winning against autowin retards.
I got what? 60-75% winrate depending on who I play. Platinum, near diamond in both QM and HL with what? 2k games.
Still, every game seems to be decided the moment the queue timer locks in.
What is this, a cinematic experience?

I don't know. I spent some time watching dota and league streams during my downtime, slowest PVE 50% movement spd sack of shit I've ever witnessed.
HoTS is the closest thing imo to a fun moba.
I'm reinstalling it right now, this time I'll just take it as it is, a sudo-roleplaying fighting movie.

/blogpost
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>>121337772

bretty gay desu senpai
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>>121337743

you should be building her with the first two serpent talents
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>>121337772

Ought to find yourself a team I reckon. Your reasons are more or less why I don't play supports very often. It's hard to stay casual in this game without getting bored out of your skull. Blizzard actively tries new ways to add content for casual play, but I suppose for a moba it is a little hard to fathom.
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>>121334249
He has everything valla has but with a shield a teleport and useful alts.
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>>121338516

According to hotsdogs? They ought to let you filter statistics based on patches... not that it would matter much since it's just a record of what everyone is doing and everyone is just following everyone else...

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/17346427553

>Li Li’s Cloud Serpent will no longer heal its allied target for enemies struck by bouncing attacks after learning the Mending Serpent and Lightning Serpent Talents.
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>>121339218

that was a one weekend bug from months ago
Her current winrate has nothing to do with that
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>>121335463
this isn't too bad an idea. at that low level being first in numbers on an objective is at least a free kill if not an outright success. people don't burst target very well either.

>>121336965
i think it's good enough to get someone out of the absolute gutter if they aren't interested in nothin' personaling their way out.

>>121339218
it says last 7 days right on the default page...
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>>121339645

Yes, the only reason I can think of why it is favoured is due to legacy. Mass Vortex seems to me like an obvious choice. Even if you were to take healing over utility, Healing Ward would do more.
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>>121339836
maybe you don't just know best?
A second, targeted, constant heal plus damage is pretty strong

mass vortex might be fine for lane clearing, but that's not what Li Li should be doing, and the opposing team probably doesn't have 4 aa targets
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>>121339693

I mean I want to see the trend, like when did it become popular and cross reference it with patch notes.
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>>121339836

The only talent you should put into whirlwind is slow. First 2 serpents, HOT, jugs o' potion, free serpent for yourself (negotiable), jugs2 @ 20, gg
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>>121340057

Lane clearing? Okay, first let me say that I dont play Li Li so maybe you have a better idea from what you experience.

I see Mass Vortex as increasing the targets of Li Li's blind from 2 to 4. Especially since you cannot target Mass Vortex. The damage is negligible.
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>>121340287

Is it that easy to position Li Li to affect the targets you want? Mass Vortex likewise lets you slow 4 targets instead of 2 letting it work the way you intend around creeps or just generally in more situations.
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>>121340423

I don't think it's that important. You're a healer, you don't really need to be that close to 4 bad guys.
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>>121340313
I'm glad to hear lane clearing wasn't in mind.
You might be surprised by how many Li Li 's just spam everything on cooldown
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>>121340287

To clarify, my preferred build is

1: Timeless Creature (or) Conjurer's Pursuit
4: Mending Serpent
7: The Good Stuff
10: Jug of 1,000 Cups
13: Hindering Winds
16: Serpent Sidekick (or) 2-4-1
20: Jug of 1 mil cups (or) Kung Fu Hustle

I don't really think mass vortex is great. I don't want to be that close to 4 enemies enough to make it worthwhile. I find that LiLi ends up putting up pretty good hero damage anyways compared to other healing supports.
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>>121340287
jugs 2 over kfh seems questionable, Anon
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>>121340481

Aside from the added utility in escape/chasing etc. Up to 4 heroes (best case scenario) missing their auto attacks for a small but crucial time is likely to prevent more damage than can be healed in a burst situation.

This one talent is almost effectively an Artanis's ult on a.. 4x faster cooldown?

Anyway, I dont want to argue because I dont play Li Li.
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>>121340846

It depends. If the enemy is heavier on ranged attackers I'll take jugs since I can hang back and still heal the team. Or certain levels are better because it's easy to heal from across a wall. Just depends man.
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>>121340942

It's a fair opinion. Almost everything in the game is viable in some way, just not my play style. Different strokes man.
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>>121340803
what I don't like about good stuff is that every heal just over writes the hot
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Friendly reminder from stitches bro, that it ok dead play thing too.
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>>121341089

I hadn't considered that. Hard to call for team fights since you auto choose lower hp targets / those in (a fairly small) range.
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As Azmodunk, how do I make the best contributions to my team?

Obviously he can push well but obviously it's better to help out in teamfights. Issue is it's not until late game that I feel useful in team fights, thanks to talents + globe stacks.
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Is Leorics lifedrain broken right now?
I always had a feeling that it's randomly cancelling sometimes even though the target is in range, but I just now, while dead, saw a friendly leoric lifedrain a nova (100% the real one, not a decoy) and the lifedrain just stopped after 2 seconds. Nova didn't blink or anything, and she was right next to him, and certainly did not stealth as he was autoattacking her.

Is this a bug or a rule I'm not aware of? It's kind of a big deal
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>>121342752
>Obviously he can push well but obviously it's better to help out in teamfights.
As Azmodan, you can do both. And I don't even refer to your trait. Assuming you've stacked damage on your globe enough, and you feel there might be a teamfight comin, you stay kind of near your team, while sniping whole lane waves. Your globe has a really long range, and if you kill something with it, you get the XP even if you're not near. Make use of that.
That way you'll always be pushing lanes a bit while at the same time being in range to dunk the enemy team while they're in range.

You won't be burning towers unless it's with your team, really
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>>121343517
Ah, I getcha.

Problem is the cooldown on dunk. That said guess I shouldn't waste dunks in fights, dispensing them like candy. Guessing I should only use them if the enemy is clumped up or to snipe stragglers.
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did senjinn die
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>>121345937

senjinn here

yes
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>>121346102
rip senjinn
may he lose to vs ai demons
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>>121337772
I've had more kills per minute in Dota 2/Total kills in a >30minute game multiple times than in HotS simply due to the lack of player choice in the game.

I completely fucking agree with your attempting to be competitive in a casual environment, though.
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>10 posts from autosage
>4 posts an hour
>none about the game
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>>121346503
5:35AM EST nignog.
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>>121346503
Well i blame the lack of abathur buff anon

>tfw hivemind is not a lower tier talent.
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>>121346536
real nigga hours
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Is Illidan a good pick in ranked? I usually go evasion shield -> immolation ->first aid->hunt->improved evasion->double sweeping ->global hunt

my friend told me meta was nerfed so Idk
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>>121346808
the best buff he could get would be to have another cute bear released to clone
Then finally all bear team
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He went and bought it the absolute MADMAN
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>>121347002
$30 well spent
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>>121346942
WHAT IF LOCUST NEST WAS A LEVEL 7 TALENT?
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So is the haunted colosseum thing any good or just another meme garbage like 10v10 or overthrow?
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>>121347091
5 bears top buff
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Been away for some time, what's the current meta?
Is Kara still OP? should i buy him?
Is Lili still russian roulette?
Is Novatul still the worst combocancer?
How's Morales?
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>>121347002
>bellissimo
it truly is
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>tfw I can't start Li Li threads anymore
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>>121347624
>>121347624
>>121347624
NEW THREAD

>>121347437
But I can start abathur threads
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>>121347352
monk if fine nothing special
lili is almost 60% winrate
zera op nova up
not fun not good not cute
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>>121346941
Situational pick
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>>121274447
Johanna my waifu
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