/domg/ - Dominions General

>>121156245
First for Ermor reintroduced death to burds.

First for the wiki always needs new pages.
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

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Third for armor of virtue

Is Magma Eruption a good battlefield spell or is there some other evocation which is better like falling fires?

>>121156245

Fukken stop using lame forced memes to justify posting your goddamn furry porn to /domg/, go post that shit in your fucking furry yiff whatever threads.

I'm here to look at wholesome giant jewish penises, none of this fucking furry bullshit.

>>121156964
Magma Eruption is fantastic, but like all things:
It depends

>>121156245
You should stop creating threads with shitty images. Just so you know.

Eunuchs I've got good news
Your cap was actually an amazon recruit site and give access to new magical paths.
Of course you could never get those, even if you took back you cap, but I wanted to let you know. Also, why do you have no lab there?

Sceleria, was that a bump or is there going to be hot ghostbird on skelly action?

>>121156964
It's not elemental damage, but it can get blocked by heavy armor. Good thing there's an earth spell that removes armor

>>121157825
A question: do you have access to Pythium's territory?

>>121157825
A Bump. Sent you a message about it.

>>121158530
Dispel when?

>>121158530
cool, keep that province. Also if you still want water gems I can sell you some.

>>121158095
kinda sorta. The lands they taking oceania's lands that are close to or on my border.
I've got two conquests to finish off right now, but I am very much aware of the threat, and oceania and I have been talking about the situation.

>>121158635
None of your business, considering you are almost definitely not one of the two (!) people who tried to donate.
But this turn.
Took a screenshot for proof if the dispel fails.

>>121158095
Birds can fly.
But yes they are bordering them, as am I now.

>>121159197
Coolio. Used all my gems in the dispel, so can't really trade for a minute. Thanks for donations, you've been a pretty bro-tier neighbor.

>>121157825
>dedburds
does that mean nazca? i'm a newbie and want to know how to get into nazca, but there is no guide about them.

d-do you have some nice advice?

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China - keeping elves at bay since 1942

>>121159561

Take d9, dump sloth and cold, take full money scales is the gist of it i've been told. But it would be pretty cool if TornVale DedBurds/pythium/agartha/etc would do a write up after the whole thing plays out, kinda curious myself.

ALso, does apostasy work on shrouded units? They're technically sacred, aren't they?

>>121159197
>oceania
I have the information that he stopped his initial "actions". Can you confirm this?

>>121159561
it means nazca. I'm a sub, so I'm learning as I go.

Some advice. They are rather slow to start up, they have a lot of power in the mid late game, but you have several things slowing you down in the early game as you want to get you Supaya factory started.

Your supayas are good, but not insane, so supporting them will be a big things.
O3C3G3 is a must, and you want at least 1 high bless, and probably can't afford a true dualbless with the scales you need.

One small thing, Do not profit either of your two starting commanders, get a flying commander and prophet him, if/when he dies he becomes a H3 mummy, so he can call supaya, and at 0 upkeep.

while you want to get a supaya factory started, don't delay forts ect too much, buy coyas and inca, after you get 6 ish Royal mummies you should only buy more when don't need to buy an important structure. (my opinion here).

I've found that your starting research kinda sucks, as your royal mummies take most of your gold and cap turns and aren't researching, you need to use a fair number of your priests to move your supayas, and your main labrats are decent but not great. Again, slow start.

I see that at least some players are online. Good.

NOW BUY MY BLOOD SLAVES.

Seriously, I'm offering you 5 per turn for a meagre 2 gems. Just a reminder: blood magic is unaffected by Arcane Nexus.

>>121159793

My good friend, have you thought about my request for those items I require?

>>121159951
not sure what you mean, my scouts and reports seem to indicate the pitched battles have become less of a thing, but there borders are still shaped like they are at war and golems and armies are positioned agressively.

>>121159906
d9 is good, but i've tried them f9 and that works too.
People hate on F9 a bit, but D9 on supayas means all of their damage is MR negates, which was a thing when I tried to kill the Eunuchs pretender.

>dump sloth
testing found that S2 worked good, but hits your already weak expansion. I'd worry about S3.
You could probably afford the misfortune 1 with your good order and growth.

>>121160469
oh, another thing that's just started coming up, but your national flying commanders all come back as mummies when killed and this is not limited to your dominion. Their upkeep goes up, you do get them back and all the holy ones can reanimate.
The biggest loss there is they aren't flying and the flying mobility advantage is huge.

Late game. well I'm just getting there and I'm still pretty new. That said, you've got kick ass diversity. But the slow research is a thing, if sceleria puts up the graphs you'll see the difference between my research position and my everything else.
And I've been max maging and forging lanterns and whatnot.

Oh, and this is important. the info on the Huaca Headress is wrong, it increases the number of Supayas/Huaca's by 2 now. which means it doubles the effectiveness of your royal mummies.

>>121160745
I'm interested now. can I use water gems to buy?

>>121161286
You'll see my response when you read your messages next turn!

>>121161468
You surely can. I would prefer S>D>E>A>W>F>N, of course, so if somebody offers me a better deal I'm going to indulge them.

>>121160745

Interested. Can do death gems.

>be me
>be in stalewarriors
>some autist spams me with 9999 turn resends
>there are still a bunch of people who haven't submitted
>I've otherwise always been one of the first to submit

jimmies rustled

Looking for a game? Got a few recruiting ATM sign up for one!
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MapmakingIsHard - EA game
Experimental freshly made map with preset starts. No underwater nations allowed. Is half full no elf nations birds or bats have joined yet so if that's your thing sign up.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SmallFish
-MA game
Smaller game of less than 10 people. Currently features 3 water nations and 10 UW provinces.

none I am aware of.
-LA game

>>121161578

Alright, cool, if you need anything just let me know.

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>>121161327

Here you go amigo, some research graphs.

>>121162018
Can you make them pearls? :^) I know you can't.

Okay then. I'm sending a revised turn to server and 15 slaves to you. Keep dem gems coming, the brass throne is going to be there for a while.

>>121162304
>1366x768

>>121162136
We need an Atlantis in SmallFish

>>121162304
Post all graphs then.

I want to confirm my skeleton superiority.

>>121162136
I heard you were about to have fun? Too bad. You're about to have a very bad time.

>>121162304
I've got to head out for a bit, but just to explain that one a bit, I'm the tan color, and have been in the top 3 in terms of forts, provinces and income for a bit.
and again, max maging and other things, hence why I'm catching up a bit. Your mages aren't bad, you just have to be using them.

stalewarriors please stop staling

What's the good chassis for F9W9 Memeheim?

How much prot exactly do boots of stone add? Would they be good to add to an armor-less 8 prot SC if I want to slap a shroud on him as well?

>>121164016
rtfm
yes

Oh wow I might have a chance to actually win a game of Dominions. We've been playing for 5 IRL months and it's finally nearing the end with me in a dominant position. It's pretty much either me or Helheim. Hype.

>>121164313

rtfm?

>>121164313
This is not 100% fair since natural protection stacks weirdly with armor.

>>121164332
Hope you have some PLAN.

Is there a nation for fielding very small armies of spellcasters and priests? I want to crush entire armies with just magic.

>>121164520
I have a thousand plans but no idea what my enemy has in store. He was in a dominant position for much longer than me. We're talking 30k gold ahead of me. No idea what he did with all of that gold since his army size is like 300 while I'm over 1000. He has no research though. Just hitting his first 9 in year 7.

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If two nations capture the thrones they needed to win on the same turn, WHO WINS?

>>121163078
almost had an MA game without Ermor way to ruin lives.

>Only 3 / 4 water nations on a map with 10 provinces

/domg/ you let me down

why aren't caster SCs used that much?

having a monster using evos and getting people rekt with magma eruption and phoenix pyre is more fun than le meme frost brand and just being unkillable

>>121165696
10 water* provinces

>>121164313
>>121164481

Oh, read the manual. Yeah, I did that already except for the spell list. Guess I should have read it, just thought the Inspector would have all the information.

A follow up question, what exactly does this
>Caster suffers 50% cold vulnerability.
mean exactly? If the unit I want to give the boots to has natural res to cold (15) does that mean 7.5 will be taken away?

>>121165783
That's often how elemental royalty are used - super tanky, two shields, and dropping niefel flames / flame storm / shimmering fields

>>121165783
Caster SCs usually spam Living X
But it's a lot easier to throw a bunch of resistance gear, a brand, vine shield, and bone armor onto a golem

>>121164863
9 research doesn't really matter that much save for a few spells. Having 7 to 8 across the board is more powerful

>>121165696
Shut up. Those who signed up are all great people. UW pride world wide.

>>121165696
>no Atlantis
>no Xibalba for more small fish

>>121164923
>anime-girl

I'm unreasonably bothered by this.

>>121166321
It isn't the 3 UW nations that signed up that are to blame. It is those that could have taken Atlantis and chose not to.

>>121166327
Me too. I am such an anime-nerd.

>>121166047
Problem is that golems have shit combat stats. Air and Fire elementals can punch through even 15 resistance and bone armor won't work on them since they're lifeless

>>121166327
She's that girl from my Japanese animes!

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>>121166327

By the fact that he doesn't know who the anime girl is? Or that he posted an anime girl in the first place?

>>121166726
The first suggestion. Such kind of ignorance barely forgivable.

>>121166517
It's true that it's possible to beat golems with mages. All of the paths have answers. SCs can't really solo suitably supported armies, and the specific weakness of the SC build isn't really the question. However, a golem set in the back corner to huddle and tank forever will go to turn limit against an army that isn't scripted to answer it, which means that it can rout an otherwise large army on its own. That's one of the best things you can get an SC to do.

>>121166224
Well, I don't think he has that either. Llamaserver shows his research is at like 8000. It's not a 1:1 relation to RP as well as I know but IIRC that's not enough to hit multiple 8s.

>>121166726
It's the combination of the two. It's fine to be ignorant about a generally useless topic, but why bother advertising that fact?

Are golem SCs a meme? Golems look awful.

>>121167205
Your mum is looks awful and Golems are the brightest future of the human race. FUCK OFF.

>>121167205
they are ok but easily countered.

they can teleport, that's the big deal.

>>121162136
It's not preset starts, if UW nations and some locations barred.

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So just in case some people have missed it, I'd like to reiterate that /domg/'s virtual divegrass team is renewing its roster for the fifth /vg/ league, which will be happening next month. The current roster can be seen in the accompanying picture, or viewed in detail at http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//domg/

We are currently looking for name suggestions for new players. The current list of suggestions is:
Have we checked on Ermor?
Underwater Archers/UW Archer PD
Poor Little Agartha
taking my ball and going home
>stabbed by a methhead
BoT GET OUT REEEEEEE
Badminning
Fresh Hot Stales

Any further suggestions are welcome.

Why is this thread so dead nowadays? It used to have way more people. Did they all burn out?

I kind of outgrew 4chan as a thing but I still go here because the community is usually very helpful and polite in its own way.

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Rate my pretender's title

>>121168602
>Man Eater
>Goddess
Anon you're a slut.

>>121168602
chuu2/10

>>121168710
>>121168865
:3

>>121166958
Golems can't heal without lifedrain or N9 shroud. They tend to get fucked up by undead and elemental spam due to this

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>when your capital is a swamp and you're not ctis

Does warriors of niefelheim/muspelheim give any effect other than the fire/cold resistance?

>>121169482
it removes cold from undead and warmth from abyssians respectively

>>121166014
that sounds fun, but what if they get locked in combat? can they cast those spells on melee combat?

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Reminder of the PUREST and CUTEST couple in ALL of Dominions!

Gay lizards go away this thread is only for MONOGAMOUS CENTAURS and their CUTE GOAT GIRL WAIFUS

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Okay, so true story -
Marignon, I did some tests last turn and I discovered that your army could, if scripted properly, kill mine. However, I was so confident that you weren't going to cast the right spells, that I stayed to fight. The gamble paid off.

GET
DUNKED

>>121170118
You could have killed all that with two winds of decay and a retreat

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>>121170370
Sadly, that is incorrect.

Pictured here is Winds of Decay.

>>121170571
TWO winds of decay and a retreat order

not one

>fomoria again is one of the last guys to sent the turn
reeeeeeeeeeeeee :(

>>121170118
I am not even mad anymore. Just pure fun. Though, I am considering going AI because a lot of efforts and you always being a fucking nerd and testing everything so it's all masochistic fun.

Also I wanted to trigger your gemspent, but Forest Dome blocked my attempts. You was lucky again, and cowardly enough always being on deffence.

>>121171001
Who cares? Helheim is out of the country and is staling until he gets back.

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Also, post the whole battle, don't be a pussy. Also show me items you got from me, I am curious.

>>121171623

Dude seriously thats fucking pathetic.

Hot to beat MA Ermor every time easily - the easy fucking guide for losers:
1. magic duel his elders and all other S mages,
2. soul slay his commanders,
3. laugh as the chaff dissipates without leadership

>>121171368
Like I mentioned, you actually won in some of my tests. Take from that what you will.

I also gave my army enough gems for 3 battles, since I was assuming that both you and Sceleria would teleport in. The forest dome did save me a bunch of valuable gems, though, for which I am thankful.

Also, of course I'm on the defensive - I'm fighting off two nations that should both be able to beat me on their own. The fact that I beat you here doesn't mean that I'm going to start invading you. The best I'll be able to do is retake the pass and block it off so that I can focus on Sceleria.

>>121171568
but since he is staling for sure admin was going to force hosts when only helheim is left

>>121171828
Don't learn me you fagget. Lictors are not mindless as well as ghouls, so they won't allow his commanders to die from Soul Slay.
That Ermor is invincible. He got all possible Enchanments and Alterations, shittone of tripleblessed sacreds and diverse mages.

IT'S TOO LATE ALREADY.

>>121157825
It was probably destroyed? I don't know, obviously I used to primarily to recruit cap only mages.

And uh, I didn't need those paths anyway you big meanie!
And I could have dispels five globals and I had a million pearls!
And I'm going to take your capital and use the Amazon recruit site there instead!

>>121171828
1. Phoenix pyre on communion slaves in the front. He'd need like 12 magic duel wins to start targeting my dusk elders, and the one that cast phoenix pyre is in the front, so he'd need another 3 before he can start killing them for real.
2. Soul slay prioritizes HP / MR, so it will hit censors and lictors before it hits mages and he'd need to kill literally all of them.
3. See 2. Even a single golem with a skull talisman is enough to prevent the undead from melting

>>121171623
>302 lictors

Holy cannoli the skeletons in your closet have been breeding like crazy!

>>121172358
To be fair, that's almost all of them. I've got another stack of around 150 holding the border against Agartha.

>>121172358

Pretty easy to get desu

>>121171623
Marignon my man cleansing water yourself

>>121171979
That is your game, no need to be humble. I am really sick and tired from your careful play. Playing against you is not fun at all. How are you not tired from always winning? Are you born in a family of winners?

What a shame. Leave that game (dom4) for a nerds like me who can not even put efforts in anything. I am also Russian and our whoule country is doomed in a long run. And still, you are stealing my only refugee - winning some PBEM games. You are a horrible person.

This night a will think about either I need to proceed with the game or not...

>>121172587
baka desu senpai

>>121172657

гит гyд фэггeт

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>>121170571
>>121172161
>IT'S TOO LATE ALREADY
Isn't the end beautiful?

>>121172931
And I hate you the most. Ermor at least knows what he is doing, but you are just sold your whole anus to the legions of sceleton dicks. Ulm, you are honestly a huge faget, put your cock in a power socket and diiieee~.

Anyways. Whatever. Suck to be a slut like you.

>>121172902
I am good, but not good enough to beat a REAL NERD.

>>121172657
Man what kind of a Russian are you? Our thing is autistic levels of practice.

>>121172657
fuck off russian faggot you are shit at the game you invade people and then whine when you get your shit slapped

>>121173452

So, wait, aside from you, me and the whining Mari fag who else is Russian here?

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WHICH UNIQUE HERO IS LITERALLY THE STRONGEST OF THEM ALL

>>121173920
Lysagora the Telkhine for Therodos.
49 hp so no real threat of death from battlefield spells, 5 magic paths, can switch to titan form to equip all the boosters/forge. Has 3 movement is amphibious, is sacred, can sail, has healing, 120 leadership. The list just goes on forever really.

>>121173920
LUGH

TheNoobening Mictlan, I understand that getting devoured by bats kinda sucks, but you literally have 2-4 provinces - your turn should be done in like 3 minutes. We're waiting on you.

>got the trapped dryad event
>my huli jing was there
>she convinced the dryad to teach her some nature magic in return for freedom
That's kinda hot desu

>>121175118
Your fox slut ate the dryad out and made her spasm in orgasm until she finally broke and told the fox what she wanted to know.

>TFW there are rituals to turn off the sun but not to reverse gender
Illwinter are CIS scum desu

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>>121175238

>>121175463
The only place my dick is going is inside of your fox whore.

>>121175283

Transformation works right?

>>121175283
Wait what? desu is replaced with desu now? Cool.

>>121176541
also f-am and s-mh, I think. senpai, baka.
First a new porn board and then awesome filters? take me home Tojo.

>>121175283
>tfw arch druid outside but inside i'm a lamia queen
>transformation
>turn into a spider
feels bad


CIS SCUM

>>121176874
And /his/

>>121176989
>tfw demilich outside but actually a dryad
>illnigger says undead are immune to transform

C I S S C U M

>>121175283
>>121176989
>>121177318
>You will never be a pure goat girlfriend
The cat amulet isn't working ;_;

>>121177547
You can suck my dick to get started on your way.

>>121175118
Wasn't that also the event where the dryad was kidnapping men? Your fox fucked her so hard she mindbroke her into whimpering sub

>>121179570
That's what I said.

Fuck lizard x skellington
Do Kitsune x Dryad

Anyway an Admin can watch a game they're not participating in?

>>121181507
Add an inaccessible province with no connections and a custom faction with free Eyes of God type spell that only you can cast. There has been some RP games in the past with the GM being involved in the game in this manner.

>>121182002
ah, interesting, cheers.

>>121163605
there are four different nations ending in 'heim', three of which could benefit from that bless. Fuck off until you learn to communicate with real words.

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Reminder that this is the single very best mage akin to Invoker from DotA 2

This past turn, Wuulholt alchemized all their gems to nature to overcast Astral Corruption with a pretender that they had designed for that purpose. However, we are using a spell-randomizer that makes AC a nature/fire spell costing 100 gems.

Astral corruption went live, and the 100+ nature gem cast attracted Agon, the Eater of Dreams, who promptly shat on Wuulholt's pretender.

Taking bets on AI.

>>121184231
>Old human with only three paths
Imperial Alchemist would be a better comparison to Invoker

>>121184298
Oh ho ho ho. I smiled.

So I am newer to this community, how do you handle diplomacy when everyone is anon? In game only?

>>121184298

Apparently AC works BACK IN TIME. Because he cast it and after he cast it horrors attacked the caster for the cast that happened before the spell started affecting the world.

>>121184837
Yes

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>>121184298

I wish attack spells had more impact. Buffing masses of units just isn't very appealing. I want to blow things up.

>>121184231
The 7-path Tartarian Titan is just straight-up better 100% FAEWSDNB3 100% FAEWSDNB2 100% FAEWSDNB3

>>121185649
Good luck getting a tart that isn't retarded

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>>121185603

You rang M'lord?

>>121186439
Feeblemind is like maybe 10% on Tarts.

>>121187034

Actually more like 90%.

>>121185603
>He doesn't know about Rain of Stones

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>>121184298

thank you to wuulholt for this screengrab

ppl make caption please

Foul vapors vs blood vengeance, what happens?

>>121188540
Nothing
Shouldn't rely on it to kill anything if you don't have a great tarpit though

>>121189298
I have the best tarpit ever, just the tarpit dies eventually due to managing to eventually hit them and taking backlash, so plan B is needed.

>>121187210
Then you have shit real life luck m80. I'm averaging over 6-8 games and being overexaggerative. Luck and order scales don't matter, magic might but I don't fuck with drain.

>>121189746
Can you creeping doom or skelespam then? Bugs and skeles don't retreat

>>121190467
It's more like 50% of tarts are feeble minded. They aren't as reliable as they were in Dom3

>>121191263
That still sounds way higher than I've experienced. I'll do a full on testing later, unless anyone has done so already or knows for sure and cab point me to evidence?

>>121190467
>>121187210
In my experience roughly 30% of tarts aren't retarded, but once you are summoning 2-3 per turn it stops being an issue since you still need 20 nature gems per turn to turn them into commanders.

>>121173687
I honestly had thought that he was the dude who had won like a dozen games over the last two years with mostly astral nations until I realized that there's actually several Russian players that write similarly.

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Don't know if sending your prophet into enemy dominion was the brightest idea, flaming arrows without any precision boosters seemed lackluster compared to the bladewind spam that ripped your archers to shreds.

Bad luck bro.

>>121195543
>5 grey knights
600 gold right down the toilet.

>>121195693
They were free from a random event, glad to get the upkeep back.

>>121195080
Out of 16 tartarians, I got 2 sentient non-feebleminded, 2 sentient with multiple afflictions (both including mute), 6 non-sentient feebleminded or mute, and 4 non-sentient healthy (some had lost an arm or something, but were usable as mages after GoR), and 2 sentient and healthy.

>>121196049
Sorry, I listed the ones that were good to go out of the box twice. There were 2 sentient feebleminded* ones

>>121196049
>>121196230
This is anecdotal and over two different games with different scales, so it's definitely not rigorous

>>121196049
I did a test with debug senseis summoning 50 tarts.
5 were commanders, 45 were units.
Of the 5 commanders, 2 were feebleminded. Of the units, 29 were feebleminded and 16 were commanders.
This doesn't take into account dementia or muteness.

>>121197720
>16 were commanders
Sorry, meant non feebleminded

Is a regular vampire that I got from an event worth thugging out? Natural invulnerability, blunt/slash resist and regen seems nice.

>>121198768
Not really. I used mine as a scout.

>>121197720
Can you test with various scales?

Stalewarriors Sauro around?

>>121199894
I'm one of their neighbors.
You ain't plottin' against me, are you?

>>121199437
>Can you test with various scales?
They aren't effected by scales. You're thinking Hidden in X

In unrelated news, can i get a volunteer to turn a nerd ai?

>>121200347
Completely unrelated to the guy killing his own pretender with corruption?

>>121200347
Yeah, but I won't be home for another 3 hours. I'll hit you up on steam if you're still online.

>>121200616
Yeah.

Though if you want to sub for corruption guy, i dont think he wants to play anymore.

>>121200312
Hidden in X is terrain based.

>>121201759
It's also scales based, and says so explicitly

>>121165916
It means the spell description was copied from dom3. I assume -5 cold resist in dom3 gave 50% vulnerability, since that's the reduction in dom4.

Ah, how I wish crossbreeding was a viable strategy.

>>121204915
It works for converting blood slaves into siege power

Just a reminder SmallFish has started.

>>121205645
Can one or more of the aquatic nations please blog how the war for the seas goes? tia

>>121132263
Put it on Desura.

ded

what are the best items to forge for making a SC?

>>121211879
Frost brand and vine shield.

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What do I do? Can I stop this with PD? How much would it take?

Compiling data on which nations are most frequently played, and which nations win: (if you dont know provinces/player, it was probably 13-18)

Submit completed games here:
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List of games that have already been submitted:
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While we're at it, what would be a good way to defeat this?

>>121215629
Bow of botulf: Fire largest

>>121216034
If the neter dies, will the mindless things immediately rout/perish, or will I need to then retreat and come back?

>>121216605
depends if there are other commanders. There probably are though.

>>121217767
So, send a scout first? Okay.

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>look at turn data for TheNoobening
>down to 9 players
>Mictlan was the first victim of the Battening

RIP in Piss comrade

How do MR checks work for weapons with MR negates? Is it just the normal formula for magic, but with no spell path numbers added?

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Do I bother with GoR on this guy if I already have earth mages? I mean, E3D2 just isn't that exciting.

>>121219629
Works exactly as a normal MR check, yep. If the MR check succeeds, they take no damage from the base attack (flaming weapon buffs can still deal damage).

>Implying EA R'lyeh is not best R'lyeh

Bitches love mind blasts

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>>121222079
>EA R'lyeh
No.

>>121222079
Bitches can't go UW anon, so they will never taste your mind blasts

>>121222493
Bitches will drown themselves to get a taste.

>>121221598
They sound like nice SC paths, especially since it has native regen.

>>121216605
depends if there is anybody on the field with the right kind of leadership

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>>121222462

>No turns

I swear on me mum, Vanarus, you get out of my land or I will fuck you up.

http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Ulm_(Early_Ages)

Finished with EA Ulm. On the fence if I should keep the stuff that was already there. Let me know if anything is glaringly fucked up, or if anything needs to be added.

>>121172657
saved, thanks.

>>121226243
Ulm has bonkers diversity if your pretender has A4E4

E3 (Smith)->E4 (Earth Boots)->E5 (Staff of Elemental Mastery)->E6 (King of Elemental Earth+Staff)

W2 (Smith)->W3 (Water Bracelet)->W4 (Sea King+Bracelet)->W5 (Robe of the Sea)->W8 (Queen of Elemental Water+Bracelet+Robe+Staff)

F2 (Smith)->F3 (Staff of Elemental Mastery)->F4 (Flame Spirit+Staff)->F5 (Flame Helmet)->F7 (King of Elemental Fire+Staff+Helmet)

A4 (Pretender)->A5 (Winged Helmet)->A8 (Queen of Elemental Air+Helmet+Bag+Staff)

D2 (Shaman)->D3 (Skull Staff)->D4 (Mound Fiend+Skull Staff). An empower can send you up to D5 for liches all the way up to 7 but this is iffy.

Now in a normal game you will do maybe one of these things but having all of these different options open to you is really nice.

>>121218987
What are we going to do about bats? do you think someone could put up a perpetual storm?

>>121230387

Anyway to get higher than N4 (Lucky antler + thistle mace)? Can't seem to find one without trading for a moonvine bracelet.

>>121231179
I wouldn't even rely on a lucky antler since they are expensive, slow to recruit and overall not very good.

>>121231336
Having one or two is fine imo for battlefield buffs - mass protection / mass regen is fairly easy to access with strength of gaia

>>121231336
Meh, I tend to set them up on auto recruit in my cap when i can afford to since I can recruit everything else fucking everywhere else.

>>121231454
One for Mass Regen is legit if you didn't get lucky with the shamans, sure.

>>121231545
It's a huge waste of money. You could recruit two smiths for that price.

>>121231896
There's actually a lot of good nature magic, both midgame and endgame. I try to always have one with each major army and at least one backup in case things go wrong.

holy fuck dicks thats a tight ass map.

>>121233926
Post pic

>>121233976
"no"
I mostly just mean I can see 2 people with provinces touching my cap ring and it's turn 6.
there's a third who's cap ring is 2 provinces from mine, and a fourth around 4 from me

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I've found your problem.

>>121234089

How can you see all these things? Are you wizerd?

>>121234241
hax
flying scouts

>>121234089

People expanded your way, deal with it. If you had no plan for earlygame bad touch, you will die, and learn better next time. Also, you're birds. Drown them in lances.

>>121234535
nigga my cap ring touches 2 other peoples cap rings. that is not "expanding my way"

>>121234687

Just think of it like this

'free forts'

>>121233926
>>121234687
Is that Pelywir, or whatchamacallit?

Don't call it a grave. It's the future you chose.

>>121234843
There's also one start location between 1 UW, and 2 swamp provinces and nothing else. Good luck with that. Especially if you get a throne near your capital.

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Wow, erf snek works for everything. This would actually give EA Ulm almost everything it wants.

>>121235110
Cold 3 isn't a good idea with him

>>121235330

Ehhhhh, if you're just using him to expand, you can outrun in the first couple of turns.

Personally would go for
Dom6 o3p1c3g3magic1 imprisoned sage
a4e4s4n4. Breaks you nature in a huge way and can craft whatever boosters you need. Drop three scales and go dormant if you want.

>>121236187
o3 for EA which lacks of gold income in general is a shitty choise. Take o1 maximum.

I hate that faggot Sy

>>121236687
Why? I think he's a nice guy.

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>>121236687
Wuh?

>>121236745
No, he's a fag

>>121236323

lolwut
EA nations need gold too?

>>121236745
No he isn't. He's a clingy, passive aggressive , anime memer who pretends to be a newbie

>>121236969
What did he do?

>>121237142
Did he siege your cap or something?

>>121237291
No, he's just annoying to talk to

>>121237142
I've played in a grand total of 5 PBEMs including ongoing games, so IDK where you get the idea that I'm pretending to be newer than I am.

I'm definitely an anime memer, though that's pretty endemic to 4chan.

>>121237338
You play too autustically for a newbie

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>>121237427
What can I say. I try hard.

>>121237427
>autustically
>/domg/
Are you not?


Also, are there any games recruiting right now?

>>121235110
Elder Dwarf m8. Mad scales, mad items, mad everything.

>>121237589
I don't like to think too deeply in Dominions. Fighting autists forces me to spend more time than I want to on turns

>>121237517
You're the cancer killing /domg/

>>121237589
MapMakingIsHard

>>121238094
Already joined that one. Any MA and LA games around?

>>121237708
>>121237859
You what? Not that guy but I spend 40 minutes on each turn starting from year 2.

>>121238207
If you want to do well against a equally skilled opponent, you have to do invest a lot of time in test games and hypothetical scenarios. At that point it just become hella boring

>>121238506
I think it's neat. Theorycrafting is like half the fun in dominions, and this is basically that except applied explicitly to your fights.

>>121238692
No, it's just a bunch of guessing

>>121238152
I'll admin another LA game when Fashionably Late is done

So how are Catoblepases? Anyone had luck using them?

>>121239567

MM1/10, wouldnt use since theyre horribly slow.

But the gaze of death is very interesting. Alas, no mobility.

>>121239567
Theoretically, they seem like they'd be a good anti-archer unit since they deal AoE damage and archers tend to be squishy, or else used in conjunction with a mindless front line to kill things for them. Sadly, they're really immobile.

All right - how about Green Lions? They're way cheaper in gems, and seem like they'd be good if you had a way to keep them reliably within range to use their ranged attack.

>>121240049

Theyre great but hard to mass due to one per summon.

thred is lemuria

Was the lizard in ermor finished? got any link?

>>121238506

There's a difference between people who just play the game and learn how things act in play, then make and execute neat strategies that they don't know will succeed.

And then there's the faggots who run endless tests and brute force the game by spending huge amounts of time and energy at it in order to win, who suck any and all fun out of anything.

>>121244003
Tonight.

Hello Gath, Migard, Lermuria and Bogarus.

Peace to you all.

>>121245010
Anon, i'm sorry to break it to you, but you are a filthy casual.

>>121170118
So. Ermor, I believe the game is yours. I propose to vote you the winner and finish the game.

There's nobody else to enter the fray against you, and even if you can't push into all of us at the same time, your position can only get better: you're winning the economic, diversity and probably research war, and we clearly cannot beat you in the field. You surely were lucky, but also pretty skilled.

Also, at least for me this game has increasingly become a dreadful chore, so I really would like for it to end (as I don't like going AI).

>>121236687
He was pretty nice when I talked to him.

>>121248072
Also, Ulm is/was an enormous faget. Kingmaking like that is terrible.

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>>121248175
Couldn't resist the cute skellingtons, sorry.

I honestly don't think I made that much of a difference anyways, outside of the early game when Ermor was getting rushed by Mictlan and I decided not to join in (and I would have sided with Ermor in that situation regardless).

>>121248072
Supporting the decision to declare Ermor as the victor. I do understand that it's kinda cheap, easy move to solve everything, but I don't want to perform this chore of a game 50-70 turns to see how my allies got wiped one by one and then I'll perish myself.
All the future resistance will be just a meaningless struggle against opponent who is gonna win either way.

>>121248671
>being able to kill 3*blessed Ermor early in the game, but decided to sit still and after that ally yourself with him

Players like you harming my sanity.

>>121249820
I don't think it's cheap if the game is definitely decided. Depending on random throne placement and other factors (like some thrones being owned by Pangaea with 2000 maenads protecting each fort), the actual victory condition can be incredibly difficult to reach even when there can be only one victor. I think thrones were added to allow victories before someone becomes untouchable and if for whatever reason the game lasts beyond that point, I think it's good form to default to victory by concession (as endgame on large maps isn't really fun for anyone involved).

>>121250295
Wise words.

Ulm, you invoked my God's domain in vain, for only he is master of earthquakes.

>>121249820
>>121250295
Glad to hear.

>>121248671
see
>>121249972
Also, butting heads with you prevented me from trying to focus on Ermor, especially at the start of our war.

>>121250995
Also due to my God having suicides under his domain, I would like to present you a cease and disist order for your tactic.

>>121250295
Still, if the game is going to last literal 50-70 turns it's pretty strange to just surrender. 50 turns is a whole goddamn lot of time.

>>121251876
Everything may happen in that timespan, but all the odds in the favor of Ermor. He just only may tired of winning.

I can play dom4 only if I have the victory in mind. The enjoyable part is the process, but without victory as the goal everything is pointless. And I can't win over him.

>>121252720

bleep blorp the odds favour blah

What a bunch of whiners.

If it's going to take someone 50 turns to win and it's not a 'infinite skeletons in a throne with derp throne conditions' thing, then you're all just pussying out due to fear. Gird your fucking loins and go in there with swords, you bunch of teenage girls.

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>>121253059

>>121253059
You know nothing. You can bring up with the plans and think about how to fuck up things for someone IF YOU ARE ENJOYING the game, despite your position. But if there are no openings and you are not salty enough just to mess with him out of the ill will then what is the point? Where is the fun?

Fun only resides if the hope is still alive and if there is no hope it's just a chore.

>>121253452
>>121253059
Fun is subjective, here it very much depends on what the overall feeling is from those left standing against Ermor.

Some feel that it's not fun to be fighting seemingly impossible odds, some love it even though nigh all the time they eventually lose.

What's important is for there to be agreement, fighting impossible odds only for every other nation to roll over like a bitch sucks.

>>121173920
Etimmu is the coolest.
Ethereal skeleton riding an ethereal flayed horse.

>>121253452
>Fun only resides if the hope is still alive
Your fun is shit.

Is there anything wrong with Lammashtas?
How would you fix them?

>>121253973
See I'd argue the other way, he's right that there needs to be some hope, but that due to the nature of dominions until there is literally nothing you can do (all forts seiged, no gems, no money), then there is a sliver of a chance of changing how the game goes.

>>121254127
They fucking immediately end up fighting your own troops, I'd fix it by making them count as your troops with attack rear order for one battle turn before them then becoming indie.

>>121254243
Have you ever tried using them in conjunction with Horor Mark?

>>121253747
>>121253452

'hur I can't easily win so i'ma quit'

You're not just robbing yourself and all the other players in the game, you're robbing Ermor. He's become the Evil Empire, against all odds. He's rising in the skeleton revolution, bones against the world.

And you're all like 'good game, later'. He's marshalled his fucking skeleton hordes, mate. He's raised that which should NOT have been raised, he's drawn back the curtains of reality - he has planned, and schemed, and now he faces the world, united against him.

And they're just like 'well victory might be hard now so I give up'.

'New game, hopefully with more noobs I can easily crush!'.

I'd be fucking pissed.

>>121254374
I've always been on the receiving end, off the top of my head I can't remember them using horror marks.
Doesn't it then have the same problem call horror does, that distance is more important than marks?
Also that doesn't stop your own troops deciding they need to kill them, especially those defending the casters.

>>121254575
SUBJECTIVE.

It's entirely possible that Ermor and at very least some of the other players 100% agree with you, and people going AI would suck for them all.

However, as I said, the important thing is for all of them to talk to each other.

>>121254645
I've tried using lammashtas a LOT.
Horror marking is relatively effective, they always sit on their ass for one turn next to whoever summoned them no matter what, but the next turn they'll home in (about 95% of the time) on something that's horror marked. They're not technically horrors, the spell just 'horror spawns' them, which I guess tells them to target horror marked stuff.

>>121254841
That's the sort of awesome little fact that should be on the wiki. Also you're awesome for sharing it as well.

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I consider this an outstanding success.

>>121256361
Lammashtas confirmed for being weak to lizard dick.

Which nation has at least Air 3-4 magic together with high fire or earth?
I want a nation with native mages powerful enough to cast the queen of air spell and fire/earth king. D-do i need a specific pretender to get that?

>>121256361

Trading 400 skeletons for 2 lammashta per turn in an extremely dangerous manner, eh

INTERESTING

>>121257168
It actually works with one sauromancer casting summon lammashtas, and two to four casting eagle eyes THEN control the dead. Since CTD has horrible accuracy.
But then you run into the issue of the lammashtas routing all the sauromancers turn 1, before they get CTD'd.

>>121254575
>I'd be fucking pissed.
You get used to it once you start winning.
Not many people really stick around to fight and most victories are unsatisfying.

>>121256623
You'll need either a pretender or some empowers to get multiple elemental royalty in a single faction. Vanheim can get A4 and E3 on their mages without a 10% random, and so can get to A6 and E5 if you empower a dwarven smith in blood for bloodstones. Some nations like Caelum could use their national summons to get elemental royalty, but that's a pretty big investment already.

>>121257424

this is my no1 complaint about domg games

>>121199894
Yeah, i'm here.

>>121258021
Thanks, anon! I'm going to check caelum's summons then.
Also what about a banefire king with phoenix pyre and soul vortex with 2 shields and really tanky? It seems fun

>>121258368
Phoenix Pyre and Soul vortex will kill practically any number of normal troops, but armies prepared for it will still kill it.
If you just want to drop soul vortex and pheonix pyre SC's on people all of EA Yomi's Dai Oni's can do that.

>>121258827
>tfw one of the nations you didnt try because you dont find them fun happens to be able to use the meme strategy you want to try

Nice!

Thanks again, anon

>>121259018
Is it still a meme strategy if it's one of the better ways to actually use Dai Oni's? They're pretty serious thugs once you get the research to use them well.

>>121259921

It's probably better not to be picking up a million afflictions by dying as phoenix pyre in the first place.

Especially with your giant, super duper, many paths, giant SCs. They have a lot of armykilling strategies. Phoenix pyre is not one of them, because they'll get a big pile of afflictions and suck. A proper mageball will shoot them stuff that makes them die eventually regardless, too.

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>>121247086
Yes sir peace to you Jomon/Gath/Bogarus We love peace here in Lemuria.

>>121261629
Would you mind dreadfully not taking the water in my cap circle?

>>121261830
The water is unfortunately in my cap circle aswell. We can probably come to an agreement regarding the water a little bit later. FEAR NOT HOWEVER FOR I SHALL NOT ATTACK YOU.

>I SHALL NOT ATTACK YOU
He's going to attack you.

>>121230670
Or start a Guano company.
I'd say we can pile up gems on someone to do it, but I've barely seen any air sites and I have a pretty decent air mage.

>>121263878
Actually two water provinces are in mine, one in yours, why don't we divide it like that? I want to be able to get the sons of the dragon king, their water magic isn't a threat to you.
>>121264549
He's a skeleton, how can he have anything up his sleeve?

>>121265490
You're implying skeletons can't have robes to hide more skeletons

>>121186439
just wanted to reply 24 hours later
>not having gift of health up when tart factoring

COME ON MAN!

>>121261629
the admin at first wanted to have 11 players, just imagine how cramped that would have been.

>>121265490
He's a ghost, you'd see anything hidden in his sleeves

>>121265747
Preposterous! Like the mythilogical skelecopter that's a tale for children and elves!

My early game has been pretty fucking bullshit. The first province I invaded had three stronk as fuck air mages along with regular troops, the second I attacked had a large amount of heavy cavalry and the third that just wiped my troops had a load of crossbowmen with heavy infantry up front.

>>121265942
I've seen it with my own eye, skeletons forming from skeletons forming from skeletons! It's bones rattling all the way down!

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>>121188002
I tried

Due to the restricted nature of slace on the map, we should try to form a council of nations, of all those who want to apply.

Then kill those who don't and voila, enough space.

>>121265490
>water magic not a threat to Lemuria
>what is cleansing water

>>121261629
>>121261830
also FRIENDS.

>>121221598
give him a skull cap (if your rolling in death gems) and a little alternation research and you have a fine SC to send along with your armies. Not every good at raiding though since no feet slot for flying boots. Perhaps ring of regen+flying carpet if you really desperate to raid

>>121266335
Well I can't spell for shit.
>>121266375
What IS cleansing water? Bollocks, forgot about it due to lack of recent skele-fighting, RIP me

>>121265879
That's assuming that someone else didn't put it up already

I don't think that the game's over. Bandar Log has been amassing mages and has yet to fight anyone since C'tis was finished. They could put up an undispellable Arcane Nexus and then get a wish engine going with their astral pretender. I think it's possible to beat that, but it's definitely not certain and telling BL that he's just irrelevant doesn't seem very fair.

Agartha has some elemental royalty that he hasn't used in combat at all. I saw this massive doomstack of elementals led by a fire king just kinda chilling away from our border. Again, I think that I'll be able to beat that army eventually, but it's uncertain when I don't know what's inside of it. Our border has become a stalemate thanks to his ability to chain-cast earthquake making me able to use pretty much nothing but Lictors and ethereal units if I want to attack, and since I've focused on fighting Marignon and Sceleria, I haven't managed to get the critical mass of units needed to mount an offensive. He could realistically hold the border against me indefinitely, then take over Marignon's lands if Marignon really has given up and goes AI, giving him a large gold & gem advantage until he's built up his forces enough to beat both me & BL. I don't think that he will since his play has been extremely conservative, but again - unless you know that Agartha thinks it's hopeless and is only doing his turns by rote, it's not fair to tell him that he's lost.

Even Marignon theoretically still has the juice to win. He has pretty much everything research and has broken into blood. He can put up Purgatory which singlehandedly prevents me from invading him EVER unless BL dispels it since his fire income is pretty much guaranteed to be higher than my astral income. With a literally uninvadable dominion, he can go full blood magic (fitting with the lore pretty well, actually) at which point he has the better end game by far.

>>121267016
it really is one of the most competitive globals isn't it?
speaking of globals anyone else get any utility out of wrath of god? it's pretty easy to slap up but I don't know if it's truly worth competing with gem generators or some other super global

>>121267192
There really should be a MA Marignon ritual for opening a gate of hell in a target province, with the downside of losing their angels or something.

>>121267192
>Ermor having to convince people to keep playing
>Nation that has such a faceroll reputation that Ermor players have to encourage other players
It's okay skeleton, I'd still play with you

>>121267553
except they dont lose their angels in the LA either. It's funny having angels and demons in the same army. Playing LA Marignon must feel like playing SMT in Spanish

>>121267684
Well, blood magic in dominions tries to have a price or double edged sword aspect. Given the deal was to incorporate demons into their worship, I thought it was a potential way of having a cost related to that.

Could always cut their preaching efficiency and temple spread rates, and/or decrease the number of candles in their provinces, but that feels too easy to mitigate.

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>>121267192
There's probably going to be like 50 turns of play left, I'd say, and unless everyone else really does feel like it's over and would just be doing their turns to get them done, I think that it's worth continuing. I don't own half the map, and I only just got my end game magic.

Also, I haven't been saying that I've been at a disadvantage just to whine about how hard the multifront war was or be smug about scripting my armies correctly. When the score graphs are revealed, I think that the research chart will be pretty telling. Marignon had angels and artifacts long before I had any magic path researched to 8. The game has been a series of 'just in time' research for me, with my needing to go to great lengths to avoid fighting literally unwinnable battles. Marignon had firestorm well before I had fire fend, and at one point I needed to gateway out an army to prevent a fat stack of sacreds from being wiped out when they were cornered.

Marignon's recent loss in the field marks the first time that he has a military disadvantage, assuming that he can't just replace that army right away. I'll admit that Sceleria is pretty much toast at this point, but if I were in Marignon's position there's no way I'd be considering surrender. If you really think there's absolutely no hope of beating me, do a throne check since it's possible for you to win without engaging me head on. Even if your odds of winning are slim, forfeiting before the game's decided is pretty unimpressive.

>>121267630
I just don't think that the game is anywhere close to as one sided as they're saying. I feel like I've been fighting an uphill battle for around half the game, and the second I crest that hill, they want to give up rather than play on from a difficult position

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>>121259921
>Is it still a meme strategy if it's one of the better ways to actually use Dai Oni
Yomi as a whole is a meme nation. Dai oni do okay with meme strats until somebody actually prepares for your SC drop and then it's over.

I'd say using dai oni as a mage support is an overall better and more reliable way, but yomi has no army to field outside of turmoil (unless you managed to massproduce shikome)

Send
your
turns
please :(

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Will this guy be able to cast this spell?

He can use one gem to boost his path and one to cast it, right?

>>121256361
Do you get to keep them afterwards?

>>121269423
Nope. You can use a number of gems equal to your path level, so in his case he can only use 1.

Sauro my friend a second of your time.

>>121269621
Thanks

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>>121245010
Git good, git dedicated, or GTFO my Napoleon simulator faggot.
Poring over maps and doing test battles is fun, you're literally complaining that people try harder than you.

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Will the reinvigoration from these boots of youth also affect my communion slaves?

Will it stack with Summon Earthpower?

>>121268486
I consider yomi's main army to be their mages honestly. With 20 oni generals spamming Horde of skeletons and support from death summons you can do okay. I consider them at their weakest during the late expansion-early mid game but they do have options and easy access into fire/earth elemental royalties. I think the key turning point is when you get your other magic paths open either through dai tengus/swamp witches or a rainbow pretender

>>121271761
-no
-yes

>>121271761
no
Yes

>>121272101
>>121272102
Oh okay

Thanks

>>121271761
speaking of boots of youth....
would it be worth it if I had shit blood hunting but a ton of free slaves /turn to forge these for a bunch of Stellar Cascades spammers?
or even to put onto com slaves

>>121273109
if your nation doesn't need blood stones sure burn em up keeping your old men alive EA ermor?

>>121273249
Sauro actually I could empower for B stones but no native E makes it kind of pointless

>>121273407
no throne of Autumn in in play? those guys make it real easy to break into earth

>>121273407
>>121273496
also don't forget to forge some armor of thrones for your stay at home ritualists

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>>121245010
>I want to smash the keyboard with my head and win

>>121273496
I have the D/E amazonians and my pretender has E on her, but aside from them none. for that though I wouldn't need more than 3 or 4 total
>>121273771
but of course, boosters are crucial but I'm not really sure what to do with the rest of them since my bloodhunting is horrendously expensive and my paths allow for very little to be done with them when I do have them.

>>121273927
it's easy enough to research into blood because soothsayer factories, but yeah your actaully blood users is limited. Shame you haven't found the amazon tribe that has native B1, they are some of the best indies IMO for how easy it is to break into blood with them