Mania Fanboys BTFO

>>390174736
>old things are bad, fans dont want anything new, pc mustard race gets the game later, farts and balls
how right was my guess?

>>390174736
Wait, who? Like for real this time

>>390174736
BASED

Classicfags OBLITERATED

>>390175112
>being this assblasted

>>390175020
>i don't have a counterargument

>>390175276
when he has the exact same problems with every single old fanchise that gets a new game no matter who made the game or what they tried then i dont need a counter argument

>>390175427
>hen he has the exact same problems with every single old fanchise that gets a new game no matter who made the game or what they tried
strawman

>sonic was always bad looooooool
>I died a few times and never thought to stock up on lives so I think it's badly designed
>a furry joke looooool
There, I summed it up and I didn't even have to watch it.

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Contrarian reviewers aside, how the fuck did Sega get away with this?

>>390176057
It was the current year

>>390176057
kek. this needs to be real.

>>390174736
I got fucked over by the time limit exactly once despite taking my time, the argument about Special Rings becomes null because if you've been exploring correctly you can actually collect all chaos emeralds as soon as Chemical Plant. Exploring in Mania, like 3&K, isn't so much about finding Special Rings rather than discovering hidden pathways that'll improve your perfomance in the levels in subsequent playthroughs. It's pretty obvious he played through the game only once (if he even finished it at all) and called it a day, the review ends extremely abruptly.

>>390176204
It was a different year.

>>390176273
Wow it's almost like he's a comedian or something.

>timing out on mania levels
holy shit lmao

Think the only time I ever timed out was Flying Battery act 2. It's such a huge level and fun to explore but the boss takes a long time, with Robotnik not even taking damage sometimes even when you slam the bumper off the spikes

His criticism that the Chaos Emerald minigames being hidden rather than requiring getting to the end of the stage with enough rings makes it more difficult to access them is somewhat valid, although going back to that style would require them to either A be accessible just before the bosses or B have separate boss zones (which is not a good way to handle them).

The lack of cutscenes between a lot of stages is a valid criticism too. The game most likely got rushed at some point and they didn't put them in all the stages.

The fact that he ran into the 10 minute time limit means he's a chump who's bad at the game. None of the bosses require that much waiting, not even the shitty spider boss.

Also he totally mischaracterizes the Sonic Cycle and how it works in the fandom. When it was in full swing (Sonic Heroes through Sonic Unleashed), people realized things were looking shitty before the games were even out, and a lot of fan shit on those games as soon as they were out. After that you have a few games that are still defended by fans and several game that were either disliked from their reveal or (like the one he uses to explain the idea) mostly disliked by their release.

>>390176413
But the truer the critics adressed to the game the funnier they get, you can only do so much with random metaphors. Despite being a comedian they're still reviews and represent what he thinks of the game, I'm just pointing our why his arguments are flawed. I won't hold it against him but a quick look at the comment shows that his fanbase treat his reviews as something more than just pure entertainement.

>>390176996
>or B have separate boss zones (which is not a good way to handle them).

CD did that though for it's bosses and people didn't take issue with them as far as I'm aware.

>le cynical man is le cynical about the game

Amazing

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>>390174736
He's right. The game didn't even have fucking Amy. Fuck Sonic Mania.

>>390176239
It is, one of mediocre zones tho

>>390178740
I want a game that has fucking Amy.

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>>390174736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkPnepwOj_o

literally hits all the notes

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>>390174736
>review from a week ago
Anon, where the fuck were you when the escapist post this video last week on their site?

>>390178740
>>390179597
Play the advance trilogy if you want Amy.

>>390180010
Can I stick my dick in her in the Advance games?

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>>390174736
The game has flaws, we knew that already. But it's not like it criminally undermines the quality of the game or how much it can be enjoyed.
His issue with the time is a bit excessive but understandable as the levels are larger, but if you're skilled enough, the limit is never a problem, and the next time you play it, you can go from barely making the 9 minute gap to completing it in 5.

He's clearly biased in his opinion as he claims the old games have annoying gimmicks, and Mania inherits those gimmicks, so it's logical he would not like the game as much. Part of the challenge of these gimmicks is that you need to slow down to explore those hidden areas, special rings, etc. It takes a balance of those skills. They are not for everyone.
Even little things like the jump sound effect, he's clearly nitpicking and his review isn't entirely balanced.

Hopefully Mania 2, whenever that is, can make the game more creative with its gimmicks and appeal more to newcomers and veterans. And will improve those gimmicks to accommodate speed and its platforming. I agree Mania taking too much from the qualities of its predecessor is an issue, but Mania nails the tone, aesthetic, and the levels, if you loved the old ones, are fun to play with these new design layouts and gimmicks. Blame iizuka if you wanted more original content and less remixed.

With that out of the way, I really don't see a problem with this review, he has opinion of Sonic and if he wasn't fond of the classics in the first place, he clearly wasn't going to enjoy Mania. And that's okay.

>>390174736
nobody cares about this faggot who is not a real gamer

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>>390180168
Sticking dick inside her is this guy job.

not giving the sauce btw

>>390174736
You're a week late you fucking retard

>>390175020
Not very right.
>game is alright, better than generations
>old games are not as good as we remember them to be but they were mostly good due to the games having a topical 90s 'tude and everyone playing had a lack of alternatives and the flaws of the old games come across in mania
>it sucks that the game encourages exploration but you never know if going off the beaten path is gonna resolve in finding a bonus stage where you get a chaos emerald, or if it's gonna put you in a tube, a gun fire you off to a new part of the level or something else and with no option to go back to that point
>stages are long and the 10 minute time limit is arbitrary

>>390176057
It was a different time.

>>390180540
not him, but it came out on youtube today. most dwellers don't go on the escapist website anymore

>>390174736
>sonic was never good meme

I like Yahtzee but that's fucking wrong

>>390174736
>Yahtzee
Damn this guy still exists? Haven't watched him since 2012

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>>390180642
August, 2017?
Well, I guess that's right, but they included this shit too. Too far, Taxman.

Haven't watched it but I bet $500 he says it's "artificial difficulty" or something like that.

>>390174736
But he liked it.

>>390175183
>Classicfags OBLITERATED
No, anon. Don't. It's all just furries.
Don't indulge in your autism.

>>390176057
Okay, I smirk'd.

>>390180390
then why did you reply to this thread?

>>390181414
evidence?

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>>390176581
>mfw timing out got me out of a situation that would've been a softlock
I got stuck in the ball roll animation on the Act 1 midboss of Stardust Speedway. If you stay at the far right of the screen, the boss will never hit you because the attack patterns are static so none of the attacks go to the end of the screen.

Some stages can feel like they drag on too long, but I'll chalk it up to playing all the levels blind and being mediocre at 2D platformers than padding. I can see it happening on TM Act 2, but aside from that, just how bad do you have to be to take 10 minutes on any other level barring getting stuck due to a glitch?

>>390180817
Fuck this level and its cheap crushing deaths

>>390182014
Did you watch the video?

>>390182197
>beta answer
which parts of video reveals he likes the game?

>no playable Amy
>no dlc planned
Into the trash it fucking goes.

>>390182315
Watch the video, anon.

>>390182374
MEMES

British accent is bad enough, Australian accent who is trying to be smug is even worse.

>>390182482
if you've watched the video then it shouldn't be difficult to find proof right? it's okay to admit you can't find any.

take your e-celeb shit out of here

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>>390182675

> It's been a year since Drown out ended forever

How are you holding up lads?

>>390182482
Just fucking point it out and swallow the pill

>Strategic contrarian
Reminder that Yhatzee and Jim Sterling are cancer

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>>390182374
>no playable Amy
Maybe in a sequel she'll be the fourth character.
Oh, wait. That spot's reserved for a goofy literally who.
Maybe in Adventure 3?

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>>390174736
I honestly didn't even know levels had 10 minute time limits

>>390184134
>Adventure 3
I don't want to play pure garbage.

I want to play Taxman games.

>>390184297
What if, hear me out, what if a new Adventure game DIDN'T have all the flaws of the originals that came out almost 20 years ago?

>>390184495
It's fucking Sonic Team

It will always be guaranteed shit

>>390184560
What if it wasn't?

>>390177220
I take issue with it.
Also, CD only had one boss per zone. That would mean two additionally, super short acts per zone. It can work, it's just not as elegant as having the bosses actually at the ends of Acts.

>>390184629
Go fuck yourself, Sonic Team

>>390184774
>What if it wasn't made by Sonic Team?
>Go fuck yourself, Sonic Team
Ok

>>390175960
t. autistic furfag

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>>390174736

Damn dude a guy on the internet made a video about how much he hates a game.

I got btfo wtf i hate sonic now

>>390182619
"Mania plays exactly like the Genesis games which are uncontroversially good"

>>390180698
Nobody goes on Escapist anymore.

>>390185248
>>390185248
>not understanding sarcasm
When Yahtzee likes a game he'll clearly state that he likes it. Also he would add it to his steam curator list. That wasn't the case with Sonic Mania. This clearly means that the game was meh at best to him.

>>390185710
>I don't know what a critic is

>>390186127
evidence that proves my point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrcVtblWnI

http://store.steampowered.com/curator/6923402-Yahtzee-Recommends/

>>390186127
not an argument

>>390182619
>if you've watched the video then it shouldn't be difficult to find proof right?
Proof of what? He liked it, it's sprinkled throughout the video. I'm wondering if you have some mental condition.

I've never gotten a timeout on any Sonic game ever, besides intentionally waiting to see what happens when the clock maxes out. How the fuck are people so bad at video games?

>>390186586
>it's sprinkled throughout the video.
and yet you can't even give an example. i'm done with you retards.

>>390186957
You were given an example. I think you just want attention.

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>>390174736

>biggest compliant is the timer on the stage

seriously?

The thing that sucks the most is that the bonus level rings are on the lower parts of the stage, when the high parts of the level are the most rewarding.
>Complains about the time limit
Sonic mania isn't amazing but that complaint is weird as shit.

>>390174736
wrong
>implying the time limit was a pressing issue here
right
>levels are tough to explore
He's just spouting out obvious bs the rest of the time.

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>>390184134
>Fang the Sniper
That would be too good to be true.
But at least it seems they want him.

I bet he complained about the time limit in Majora's Mask too. What a pleb.

>>390186412
The argument is you don't understand the difference between critique and complaints. His review was mostly minor complaints about Mania and followed by a critique on the classic Sonic games design and how it influenced Mania

You'd understand that if you weren't autistic

>>390184495
This is what I've been wanting for 15 years.

I love the original Adventure games and think they nailed how sonic should play in 3D; hell, I'd say the 5/6 character styles we got aside Big in SA1 were near perfect aside minor issues like Amy's ground speed and Knuckles' stages being too small in SA1 and the radar system being bad in SA2 (although this one was mitigated by the hint system becoming godlike, but still).

But, I'd still really love to see a refinement of the concepts those games (and 06, in the case of Shadow and Silver's gamplay styles) offered. There's so much potential that's just been untapped since Sonic Team's been fucking about for endless years.

>>390186719
I honestly don't know. I finally got around to finishing Sonic 1 for the first time yesterday and even though I'd never been as far into it as Labyrinth Zone act 3 before, I still managed to finish it without even coming close to a timeout and that stage is easily more time consuming than almost anything in 2, CD, 3&K, or Mania.

>>390180621
>the 10 minute time limit is arbitrary

This is the only part I agree with. It worked in Sonic 1 and 2 when the levels were short ads fuck, but S3&K and Mania have a bunch of levels that really push you up against the limit even when going fast.

>>390174736
I would give up all the gameboy and ds sonic games if i could get another fully 3D sonic game. Im so fucking tired of the shitty 2D games and sections invading the console games