>only 50 employees >can make god tier games FUCKING HOW

I wouldn't call any of falcom's recent work god-tier...

>>390157596
Nigga, Undertale was made by 1 person.

>>390157748
And it shows lol

What about Tokyo Xanadu?

>>390157748
So was Cave Story, a better game.

>>390157657
This, older YS games and Trails games were godly, but the recent crap they put out is pathetic.

I picked up trails of cold steel STEAM release recently and I could barely make it past the prologue due the fucking shit anime cliches and tropes. I was trying hard to ignore them and focus on other aspects but at the end of the prologue dungeon when the MC stood up the boss and said ''Heh, guess I have no choice but to use it then...'' I just alt Tabbed and stopped playing.

>>390157596
>Trails of Persona 3
>Adolf goes to Bolywood
>God tier

>>390158000
Falcom games have always had anime tier cliches/tropes

So i take it the new YS game is bretty gud?

>>390158320
It has some of the coolest bosses in the franchise

>>390158142
Yes but the older Trails games used the stereotypes well. It's impossible to avoid clichés in any story, but you can spin them on their head a bit to make them unique. They didn't even try with sen though, ever anime trope in the book is played completely straight.

>party system
>good

smugface etc.

>>390158142
Yes but they are no where near as bad as cold steel. The worst thing in the previous trails was the elmo spa visit or jenis academy arc. But those are so subtle that you barely even recognize them, they main story is able to outshine them to the point where you don't even notice them. Cold steel has tropes being thrown at you left right and center to the point where I can literally predict entire scenes of dialogue before they even happen, because I've seen the same lines recycled in crappy shounen anime 100 times.

It's depressing honestly, I don't feel like falcom actually writes shit like that because they want to, but because they are trying to appeal to the japanese audience who gobble that crap up unfortunately.

TWO FUCKING WORDS:
SCHOOL FESTIVALS

>Party system Ys
To the trash it goes.

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>>390157596
Do you guys actually play other jrpgs or just the YS and trails series? There are many jrpgs that can deliver world building and character development better than these two series. They are alright games but nothing revolutionary and with pretty generic plots

>>390159576

I don't think anyone plays Ys for the plot or character development. The story in mostly all of them can be summed up as "Adol gets shipwrecked again and has an adventure and sometimes saves the world before fucking off". Most people are in it for the gameplay and soundtrack.

>>390159576
You don't really play Ys for the story so much as the fast paced action and adventuring.

>cold steel

>50 hours of field trips and plot twist / cliffhanger for first game
>50 hours of collecting party members and random students, and plot twist / cliffhanger for second game

>>390157596
> god tier games
hi there Falcomshill, their games are mediocre at best.

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>weeb games
>god tier

>>390159973
>ys came out today
>some autist has tried to shill it for weeks
>all the threads keep dying early
there was literally a thread about it a few hours ago that died at 14 posts.
nobody gives a fuck about modern ys, it's awful.

>>390160257
That's because modern Ys is shit.

>>390157596
>Trails of Cold Steel
>Ys have-a-shitty-party-for-some-reason Seven and VIII
>implying either are above average

>>390160257
Ys Seven really left a sour taste in many Ysfags. I know it left on me. I refuse to buy anything related to nuYs after that shitty mess.

>>390159576
Post examples

>>390160257
>>390160776
>>390161089
>>390161192
I'm surprised to see that /v/ isn't just eating up falcom shit even when they dropped in quality so much recently. Impressed honestly.

>>390157596
Whats so great about Ys VIII?
Honestly like I might get it on Vita I've heard nothing but praise for it.

>>390157892
lol? kys yourself anyway

>>390158000
>holding back Rean
>quitting a 80-90 hour story driven game after the prologue

>>390159576
No JRPG can match trails when it comes to world building unless you count dark souls

>>390157748
No it wasn't. Toby got help from several people.

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>>390161383
Kisekifags were a really vocal minority here claiming TitS and Cold Steel were the second coming of Christ and led many people to try out the games. People finally came around and now know that the games aren't really that special, or that good for that matter. And Ys is getting shittier and shittier with each new entry so that's a given. Even some hardcore Ysfags are done with the new direction Falcom is taking Ys.

>>390162040
>Even some hardcore Ysfags are done with the new direction Falcom is taking Ys.
Guilty as charged.

>>390161383
Look even I have my limits.

I love Falcom and their games, Trails of especially. Even the modern ones.

I've played all Ys games released in the West except one. The only title that really disappointed me is Ys Celceta. I really, really dislike(d) the party system, the skills and the item use. I still haven't tried Seven but I fear it's even worse, since it was the first game featuring a party system.

What I did try was the Ys VIII demo they released a while ago. I don't know if my taste changed or what, but it actually was great (on nightmare, I don't play on anything else because I think nightmare is where it's at, but to each their own).
The bossfights were legitimately fun and the party system had a purpose, and the presence of both guarding and dodging, which felt redundant in Celceta, seems like it actually makes sense now.
All in all I'm pretty hyped after the demo and I hope the game turns out to be good. Ys Celceta felt like a punch in the stomach.

Steam babbies please go

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>>390161776
>padding the story up the ass
>having more than average inconsequential and boring NPC dialogue
>world building
I enjoyed FC and SC but let's not kid ourselves. The story is alright and the world building is alright as well, nothing special. The highest appeal of the games are the characters.

>>390160134

this midget acting like a real person is adorable

>1 self-employed
>makes a cult game that also gives a good profit
>game becomes more popular than AAA games and starts a new subgenre

Why do people hate Ys 7 again? I thought it was pretty great.

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>>390158621
Complaining about anime tropes in a Falcom game, who are known to be arguably the first JRPG developers who fucking embraced anime tropes is absolutely hilarious.
Sky was filled to the brim of anime tropes and cliches out the ass, but it used tropes and cliches from it's era.

I'm surprised you could enjoy any Falcom game if you hate anime cliches and otaku pandering, that's been Falcom's shtick since the late 80s.

>>390162643
So this is what newage fans look like.

>>390162319
You think? I found the NPC dialogue to contribute to world building especially in Cold Steel.
I do agree with the other guy saying that world building is absolutely the strongest point of Trails of games.

>>390157596
>weeaboo jrpg
It's even can't be god tier games. It's always niche games with outdated gameplay mechanics.

>>390162643

See >>390158621

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>>390162743
This is what people with rose-tinted glasses look like. Falcom's always been a heavily-pandering company.

>>390162956
The only main/important character in TiTS who wasn't a walking trope/cliche was Kevin.

>>390162636
>party system tacked on on a series that usually focused on Adol's lone adventures
>looting mechanic tacked on
These were the 2 main issues with Seven. Celceta and VIII just build on those and got even worse.

>>390161608
>lol? kys

Go back to facebook you fucking retard.

Would it kill them to advance or at least shed light on the overarching plot? It's only been 7 fucking games now.

>>390157657
>>390158000
As an old hardcore Falcom fan I have to agree. Honestly they've succumb to the weeb. And its a god damn shame. Even the gameplay is focusing on that hyper grindy BS that JRPG fans seem to eat up. They've started trying to appeal to the niche instead of just making great games and seeing who will buy them.

The animations for both games are terrible and lifeless. None of the characters feel unique in any sense at all.

>>390161776
Xenogames have incredible world building. Legend of the dragoon, even if it isn't that great of a game, has amazing world building too.

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>>390163363
>Honestly they've succumb to the weeb.
Falcom's been doing this for three decades.

Can anyone recommend me a good JRPG that gives that good old feel of adventure? Of visiting exotic locations, meeting new and interesting cultures?

I feel like JRPGs don't do that anymore. I need that Grandia, Skies of Arcadia feel. I mean even Ark Of Napitism did that for me too.

Sorry I know its kinda unrelated but I figure this would be an alright thread to ask in.

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>>390163582

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>only 6 employees
>can make actual god tier games

>>390159576
>many jrpgs that can deliver world building and character development better than these two series
Wrong.

>>390163582
I'm convinced you didn't read the rest of his post and decided to pick that one statement to base your entire counter argument on.

You do know he was talking about gameplay right?

>>390162643
While i do agree with you on people's double standards, their anime cliched games are a product of their time.
In this case its ln protag with cute girls everywhere

>>390162319
Depends on what you are into.

FC and SC have an incredibly well put together world. The "world building" in terms of lore and "too deep for you" might not be the best. But each and every NPC has a place in the world and usually has other characters connected to them. If you meet an NPC in an early town and they mention their cousin in another village. Later on you meet them visiting their cousin. People talk about their jobs and when events happen in game they will change what they say, commenting on how some recent event has impacted their job or economy in a way that actually makes sense. NPC's feel real and not just static blobs or random inconsequential dialogue.

It is in that regard that the world building is top notch.

>>390163219
Make me, you fucking bitchboi. Kys yourself.

>>390159576
The weirdest thing about Falcom and Kisekifags is that it seems like they have some sort of quota of people on the internet they they need to convince to play the games/love the games.

>>390163942

But that is like saying Skyrim world building is top notch has every NPC has a name, schedule, relations, and talks about current and important events. It doesn't fix the fact that they are boring as fuck.

>>390164129

the primary difference is that kiseki NPC's actually react to the world they inhabit. When major events happen, they take notice and comment on it in unique ways instead of "watch out for the dragons dragonborn!"

>>390164002
Fans of niche games tend to advertise the said games. More news at 11.

>>390163942
Xenoblade and Xenoblade X have the same structure. You see falcom fans tend to believe the kiseki series are the only games that do this

>>390164002

Welcome to niche games. These games survive on word of mouth

Anyone have a good order to playing the Ys series? Currently playing Ys 1+2 on PSP to start off.

>>390164280
>>390164368
I'm not saying it's rare. I'm just saying it's exceptionally vocal with Falcomfags. You have tons of other niche series but you don't see such a delusional and in state of denial fandom like this one.

>>390163582
I hate these arguments, you see it all the time in Fire Emblem threads too. It's like they are deliberately trying to be obtuse.

First, like >>390163760 mentioned in my post I was referring mostly to gameplay. Falcom has started designing their games with the intent of appealing to a specific weeb niche. With almost a checklist of "what is popular in weeb games" which makes their game no longer feel like a breath of fresh air created with love and instead just another weeb jrpg.

But even that aside, like I mentioned with Fire Emblem. The series have always been influenced and celebrated their anime inspirations and connections. But the difference now is they have become so entrenched in the tropes and the very hyper focused weeb culture that has really only developed in the past 10 or so years that the games noticeably feel very different to fans. You can see this because many many people all have this feeling. Only every time they try to express it some ass hat comes in with an old anime style magazine drawing from the early days going "SEE ALWAYS ANIME" as if that made any argument null.

Old anime influences were more of a medium, just a way of being a colorful cartoon with some slightly different tropes and cultural elements to western animation.

Modern weeb culture is the problem, like that one anon said, its one thing to notice an archetype or a trope being used. Its another to be able to skip multiple lines of dialogue because you know exactly what is going to be said. Its like every single "Trails Of" game now. The only people who still bother with them are just hardcore weebs, and there's a reason for that.

>>390163114
I don't have a problem with the party system. Not every Ys game needs to be the same and I don't think the game is shit because of it.

>>390164494
I was introduced to this series because of threads. I like the games but falcom fans make it look like the series has no flaws

>>390164494
Not really. Personally, I shill Falcom and Gust games equally often. It's just that Falcom is more popular both in Japan and the West so there're more opportunities.

>>390157657
I wouldn't call any of their games positive, they all suck
I hadn't played trails yet but someone on /v/ confirmed its a friend simulator like persona

I remember when rpgs were exciting experiences in creative fantasy worlds not just crap for people with no friends

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>>390164873
>shilling Gust after they killed Mana Khemia and ruined Rorona

>>390164659
>I don't know what a weeaboo is

Post discarded.

>>390164953
>ruined rorona
You're mad about this and not about Sophie and Firis?

>>390164659
>>390163760
>We're nostalgia blind
At least we can confirm that.

>>390165076
My statement was talking about the misrepresentation of the argument you cow. At least try to read, sheesh.

>>390164873
>I shill Falcom and Gust games
Why? Both companies's games are getting worst and worst. And I'm a genuine Atelier fag.

>>390164953
>killed Mana Khemia
Still mad.

>>390164953
>they killed Mana Khemia
The best thing Gust ever did. They were mediocre Ateliers (better than Iris, but still mediocre), the only good thing was the battle system and Dusk games made it even better.

>>390165068
I completely dropped the series halfway into Dusk, so I don't have the personal experience to express anger over Sophie.

>>390165167
>Hurr durr, it's a misunderstanding!
Yea, no. Don't defend his ass regardless because the core argument is still him just ignoring old school conventions are just what he prefers.

>>390163675
Have you tried Alundra?

>>390164986
I don't think you do

A weeb plays overwatch, modern FE, modern persona. They have a skimmed interest in Japan and anime culture while not really bothering to delve into either

Weeb has been a derogatory term for a while. You don't call a serious japanophile a weeb

>>390164953
>Mana Khemia
Ar series was the only good thing about that company

>>390165390

While a fantastic game, Alundra is localized to a single island so no real sense of going to various new cultures and doing groundbreaking stuff.

No wasted slots on younger specialist of gender issues among trans female gays

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>>390165407
>You don't call a serious Japanophile a weeaboo.

>>390164002
Yes, why would fans of a company/series not want others to also enjoy it so their beloved series doesn't die? This is truly a mystery no one can solve.

>>390165465
Ar series was only ever good for its soundtrack. The characters were almost all pretty bad and the story was mediocre.

>>390165639
This. Glad someone said it.

project arcane only has 10 people working on it, an mmorpg

>>390165639
Have to agree but fuck you if you shit on the surge series outside the shitty gameplay

>>390165076
So you're saying modern anime culture and old anime culture is exactly the same? Things like Castle in the Sky and the original Gundam or Lodoss war. Those things are the same as the current culture of "everything is a harem school anime" "I wanna fuck this 8 year old girl"

Old anime had tropes that were more akin to archetypes. Common personality traits in characters. New anime has formed this super forumlaic culture where the tropes are so rigidly followed that pretty much every game or show is the same.

Why did Adol need to keep getting more and more bishi? Why drop his armour and make him start looking like every other protaganist? Why make Cold Steel a fucking school harem story? Its obviously just blatantly pandering to a very specific culture.

How did their old games pander? Sure they had tropes and inspirations. But "Adventurer who goes on journeys to exotic lands" or "Members of a guild of do gooders" aren't laser specific tropes. The character design had a feel to it that was also at least original. Not just "hey school uniforms because everyone loves that"

>>390165568
It's ok, you've been away from society for a long term. Let me fill you in, weeb made its way to Facebook and it's used almost exclusively by people like I described

It's a long way away from what you think it means

>>390165792
I gave up spending money on the series after the second Tonelico game since I really didn't like anything other than the music so I wouldn't shit on Surge, but god damn were the Tonelico games awful.

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>>390165856

>>390165962
>weeb made its way to Facebook
Go back to Facebook then you normalfag shit

>>390166141
>I'm so le edgy I have no Facebook or friends
Ok kid

>>390166141
>normalfag
Youre one of those newfags arent you

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>>390165382
>misunderstanding
Misrepresentation

And using your argument you'd still be wrong. Pic related. Game very clearly influenced by anime all the way up to the bishie that you either just realized was one or still haven't pointed him out.
Plot completely impossible to predict.

He's lamenting that the trope use has come from a 5 to a 10. You're claiming that he's saying that trope use was at 0. Which is moot because it's not his fucking argument.

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>>390165856
Where do we draw the line between old anime and modern anime culture?

>>390157596
>Cold Steel 2
>god tier
Nah

>>390166120
I'm not saying good anime doesn't exist now but its not part of the otaku culture that has formed in japan in the past 10 years. That lonely idolmaster worshiping culture. And as lonely shut ins with disposable income this is what the industry panders to in order to make money.

And for every show you listed there are at least 10 examples of shitty "weeb culture" anime. And guess which ones are more popular and generate higher sales? Its the sword art online and other Harem shit that tops the charts.

This culture didn't exist, at least not nearly in the same magnitude, in the 80's and mid 90's.

>>390157596
those are 7/10 at best.

>>390166326
I bet you use normie dont you?

>>390164890
I know man. I too remember these non-existent games.

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>>390166519
>This culture didn't exist, at least not nearly in the same magnitude, in the 80's and mid 90's.
Bullshit.

>>390166120
That top right. What is that? Vampire Hunter D?

If anything, I wonder how big companies manage to pull anything off. People work much better in smaller teams.

>>390162225
>the party system had a purpose

why do people keep saying this? it's as meaningless as it was in seven and celceta. still a good game, but they could've done so much more with it. especially if you've played nayuta no kiseki, which has a much better combat system.

>>390163675
Lunar 1 and 2, maybe? Xenoblade?

>>390166519
Im@s is one of the best things to come out of Japan. Fuck off.

>>390166752
The shows he was bitching about are mostly from the mid 90's. This is what I was saying. From the 80's up until about the mid 90's this culture didn't exist. It started to spring up then and has only grown to encapsulate most of the anime industry.

>>390166519
>This culture didn't exist, at least not nearly in the same magnitude
No fucking shit, in the 80s there was only like, 2 to a half dozen shows a season (depending on the season). And most of those are forgotton

>>390166752
>I AM GETTING FED UP WITH THIS ORGASM

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>>390167051
>from the 80s up until the mid90s this culture didn't exist
Here's a picture of games from between the late 80s to early 90s.

>>390166661
Just because you never had friends didn't mean everyone else didn't. JRPGs exploded in the 90s

>>390167054
I'm not arguing about why. I'm just stating that the emergence and growing popularity of this culture is fucking terrible and franchises that adopt influences and attempt to pander and sell to this culture end up getting worse and its pretty obvious that many people see this and agree as its a pretty common topic in these threads.

>>390163675
ys VIII
>>390163739
only the first doom was good. and it was basically just a wolfenstein clone.

>>390157596
Sorry, what god tier games?

>>390167264
The SNES and PS1 eras were truly the golden age for JRPG's

>>390167209
>some ultra niche hobby titles are the whole culture
You'll be claiming porn games prove your point next

>>390167264
you just see what you want to see, pal. you choose to ignore what's out now while fetishizing the past. things haven't changed. you have.

>>390167209
And how many of them were just niche games and not industry blockbusters like Fire Emblem? That is what I meant by magnitude. Its gone from little forgettable shit like this to any and every game. And even taken over well loved franchises that used to avoid crap like this.

>>390166752
Odd that he's bitching about Armitage. Though it is predictable as hell that she's a machine. I found it silly at the end of the first episode when they go for the reveal when at every point going up to that she puts on her visor and looks angrily at the male lead when he comments on his prejudice towards robots.

What a silly amount of bitching. At that point in time I was getting tired that the overwhelming majority of OVAs set a very grim and depressing tone. WIth lots of people dead or dying.

>>390167209
>late 80's to early 90's
Nigga Magic Knight Rayearth was barely early 90's to mid 90's. Your cherry picking runs contrary to facts That saturn game that you have in your list was made in 95.

The fuck are you doing?

>>390165856
>>390166519

This has to do with the medium becoming old enough that the creators are raised on the tropes and use other anime as inspiration. Back in the day, there was less of it available and people used influences from western film, books, etc. Nowadays it's creators using inspiration from other anime thus creating less original stuff.

The same thing is happening in hollywood. You can see it clearly in soundtracks for modern movies, these days they are mostly temp tracked with other modern soundtracks so the composers end up writing stuff that sounds like any other generic soundtrack. While back in the day composers and directors used classical music, jazz, modern orchestras etc. as a temp track for their films.

>>390167440
>things haven't changed
>a glut of 90s jrpgs that were indepth and accessible whilst being high quality
>this existed in the 80s
The answer is no, and it changed again in the 2000s as low quality and inaccessible rpgs replaced them cause japs were afraid of competition from the west

Tried the Ys VIII demo. I like it, but it's not as fast paced as Oath.

>>390167264
>no friends
>mentions largely single player games

I don't think even you knew what your point was.

>>390167429
How did we go from "this culture didn't exist" to "but it's a niche culture so it doesn't count"?

>>390167429
but most of people said super niche gmaes like neptunia or ateleir is standerd of jrpg...

>>390167513
>>390167209
And while I'm at it the cotton series was an EXCEPTION to the shoot em up genre. Almost as non standard as Sexy Parodius.

Just who the hell are you trying to fool.

>>390167545
Yup I agree with you 100%, well said.

>>390167645
Because just like your arguments you are trying to cherry pick until you win.

If you look at my first fucking post I said "This culture didn't exist, at least not nearly in the same magnitude, in the 80's and mid 90's."

It was never about denying its existence completely but more about the magnitude of its existence.

>>390167425
Not him, but you want to know real suffering?
Playing almost every RPG that's been released on the ps1 and snes.

I remember the magic of putting hands on Treasure Hunter G and Bahamut's Lagoon. Now there's no RPGs that I know of that I can go back and play. Short of learning Japanese, there's nowhere else to go but forward.

>>390167614
Because your friends live at your house? No

Back at you, projector

>>390162429
I honest to God think that midget could kick your ass.
Post face or video game collection so i can confirm.

>>390166963
Oh, I forgot about Lunar. I should try Lunar 2, thanks.

>>390165639
I liked the battle systems in Ar Tonelico 2 and Ar Nosurge

>>390157596
Tokyo Xanadu is by far their best recent game and it's still not that good

>>390167859
>this culture didn't exist, at least not nearly in the same magnitutde, in the 80s and mid 90s
This is objectively incorrect, though. The 80s was actually the beginning of when companies started to realize you could make tons of money from pandering to otaku. You saw the first heavily pandering shows in the early 80s and it snowballed to being half of the industry by the very late 80s and early 90s, and took over the industry after OVAs pretty much died.
For the last 30-35 years, the anime industry has been a sea of pandering shit every year with a handful of exceptions every year.

>>390167973
Lunar 2 is personally one of my top JRPG's of all time. Enjoy.
>>390167905
That really sucks, anon. I still have a decently-sized backlog of retro JRPG's to play through (since I didn't own a PS1 back in the day) so I won't know your pain for a while. How are Treasure Hunter G and Bahamut Lagoon anyway? I think I've run out of retro SRPG's for the most part. I miss Langrisser ;_;

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Hello, please look forward to Trails from Zero. *bows*

>>390163675
Star Ocean 2
Evolution 1 and 2
Thousand Arms
Arc the Lad 3 1 and 2 generally being considered the best, it didn't turn me on but they ARE good
if you like story I'd recommend SaGa Frontier 2

>>390168401
>How are Treasure Hunter G and Bahamut Lagoon anyway?
Treasure Hunter G is kind of easy but has a lot of charm
Bahamut Lagoon was kind of incomprehensible to me when I was playing it after it got translated so I wouldn't be able to talk about that. Since I haven't replayed it recently.

>>390161512
Exploring an uncharted isle to find other refugees and build up your own town is pretty cool.

>>390168321
I keep forgetting that game exists.

>>390158000
>>390163363
>>390164659
Steambabbies pretending they know anything about Falcom.

>>390161608
>>390163946
>kill yourself yourself
Anon...

>>390169386
They're probably why the Falcom fanbase has grown more obnoxious

>>390168352
"objectively" unless you can give me hardcore stats on this you can't say that. You have your opinion on it. And when I say stats I mean actual stats, not a cherry picked tileset of niche hobby games. I mean like all time viewership of a series or amount of revenue generated.

And I disagree with that opinion. I personally feel that in the past 10 years it has reached an all time peak of popularity and cultural prevalence. And that although still present in the 90's it was not this bad.

>>390169707
Sorry, early 90's, It was certainly getting much worse as it approached the 2000's

>>390169576
Probably? They're the clear cause. I've been a Falcom fan for a long time and I was excited when Falcom games started getting translated and then when they finally started getting released on Steam... until I realized what was actually happening. The fanbase was completely destroyed by the braindead moronic collect-a-thon fucks known as steambabbies.

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>>390168352
This man is 100% correct. The 1980s was the de facto boom of Otaku culture.

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>>390157596
>only 1 person
>can make god tier games

I'm sorry buddy, but your japanese devs aren't really that impressive.

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>this entire thread
Jesus christ what a shitshow
I can understand complaining about the gameplay or writing in modern Falcom games because those have legitimately gone downhill but Falcom's always been animu trope as fuck, that's the last thing you should be complaining about.

Part of the reason I've always liked Falcom games over a lot of other bigger JRPG developers was because of how anime they are in comparison, without ever approaching Neptunia-tier garbage.

I'm just surprised Falcom didn't do the high school setting sooner.

>>390169827
Sorry, I was being a bit too modest with the "probably". I agree with you though. Have you seen what /fg/ is like? I'm personally not that fond of it

Falcom's only good team is their music team. The rest is anime bullshit.

>>390157596
>>390157596
>trails of cold steel
>cold steel
Pssst.... nothin personnel kid

>>390157748
No it wasn't, stop this meme

>>390164380
Ys I & II (Steam and PSP are the same version), Felghana (ditto), Celceta (Vita), Ys V (SNES), Napishtim (PSP and PC same ver), Seven (again), VIII (PS4 and PC versions are complete, Vita requires an extra patch for the rest of the content).
I & II's gameplay is dated but fun, the gameplay switched up in later entries.
Felghana is a reimagining of Ys III. Avoid that one, it's really bad, with awkward platforming and combat.
Celceta is the canon version of Ys IV. There's a chinese PC port with an english patch, but it has all sort of glitches. The previous canon version was Mask of the Sun for the SNES and the last alternate version is Dawn of Ys for the PC Engine. MotS and DoY have I & II like gameplay.
Ys V is the weakest in the series. Gameplay wise it's a slower paced proto Ys VI.
Ys VI's gameplay has been reused for Felghana.
Ys Seven's gameplay was expanded in Celceta and Ys VIII seems to build upon it.

>>390158320

I've been playing since Oath first came out in Japanese and I think VIII is the best game in the series easily

>>390159707
The individual stories are nothing special, but I'll admit I'm a huge sucker for the amount of effort they put into worldbuilding and creating continuity between all of the Ys games. For a series this old, it's nice to know that any references to previous Ys games are essential for context instead of member-berry fanservice

The few moments that are blatant pandering (like Dogi busting Adol out of prison while Don't Go So Smoothly plays in Seven) feel welcome instead of grating

>>390169827
>muh gatekeeping

fuck off grandpa

The only Falcom game I've played is Ys Origin and I didn't like it. Tried both characters out and just found the gameplay and tower climbing to be dull.

I'm going to give Falcom one last chance when Tokyo Xanadu Ex+ comes out

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>>390171737
>Felghana is a reimagining of Ys III. Avoid that one, it's really bad, with awkward platforming and combat.

>>390171737
>Felghana is really bad
>Doesn't even mention Origins

Is this bait? Or true shit taste?

>>390173449
Gonna go ahead and assume he meant avoid Ys III, not Oath. Wanderers is one of the worst games ever made

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>trying to get through the first Trails in the Sky game because everyone talks about it so much
>gameplay is boring and tedious
>battles take forever
>the regular battle theme is one of the most annoying tracks I've ever fucking heard and you hear it CONSTANTLY
>literally nothing has happened for like ten hours now

I really really like falcom

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>>390158621
>The worst thing in the previous trails was the elmo spa visit or jenis academy arc.

Oh yeah let's just forget
>brooding dark haired protagonist with an edgy past, associated with the color black
>meeting the main villains early on who could push the party's shit in if they tried but they held back for some reason
>the priest joining your party holds back for an entire game and about half the game entirely devoted to him
>Zin and has mystical kung-fu "talk using our fists" bullshit
>youngest recurring characters are two genius lolis who have more technical talent than literally every other party member
>Loewe's entire edgy motivation is testing humanity to see if it's worth his tragic love dying
>a martial arts tournament

You're blind if you couldn't see this and so much more.

There has never been a good Ys game.

>>390175456
(You)

>>390175580
Sorry you have bad taste anon

>>390166758
Hellsing Ultimate

>>390174995
>a martial arts tournament
I think I saw a tree at one point too, what played out tropes

>>390175907
Ditto

>>390174995
>Joshua
>Protagonist

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>>390157596
>Weeaboo garbage for the lowest common denominator of otakus
>God tier
YS VIII is a hideous aberration for such a good series.

>>390176891
Have you actually played it?

>>390176891
>YS VIII is a hideous aberration for such a good series.
Its better than the last 2 games

I have honestly never finished a modern JRPG that didnt fucking bore me to tears.

I miss games like Legend of Legaia or Breath of Fire. Now those were memorable games.

>>390177126
That's sad

>>390165995
You are an irredeemable imbecile.

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Hoping that Zwei 2 is good.

>>390165639
>>390165753
>>390165792

Good to see there are still some people who are clinically retarded and fail completely at doing something as simple as reading the story and characters presented by a game. If you thought the characters and story were bad, there's something seriously wrong with you.

I'm gonna assume that 95%+ of the people shitting on ys8 haven't played it and are only assuming it's as bad as ys7 or Celceta.

>>390177995
>SEVEN
>bad
pick one

>>390177991

And I bet you think shit like Automata is a masterpiece right?

Fuck off. I swear if I was Croix I would have choked Luca, that lying bitch. The only Ar Tonelico character that was remotely tolerable was Jack, mostly because he has Lancer's VA.

>>390157657
This desu

>>390177995
Of course, since 8 is probably the best overall game in the series. Though I can see why people would still prefer Oath.

>>390177918
It's great.

>>390177991
I've read a lot of VNs and think the Ar series is garbage outside the OST.

>>390177995
celceta was fantastic.

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>>390157596
>sameface weebshit
>good

>>390178845
I love the Ys series as much as the next guy but let's not talk crazy here.

>>390178383
why is that? felghana felt really unbalanced to me.

>>390179017
please list everything that's wrong with it then and why other games do it better.

>>390178910
>posts a weeb cartoon full of sameface

>>390179046
>translation: the game was 2 hard 4 me

>>390157657
what would you?

>>390179404
more like too easy. I was told this series was difficult. apparently none of these people grew up play nes games and consider this "hard". pitiful.

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Not playing the real RPG GOTY

>>390179620
that game is shit.

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>>390179620
>western RPG
>best anything
Out of the way.

>>390179578
Oh god, here's that retarded touhou poster again.

>>390157596

Look up how big the CDPR were when they released the first concept demo of TW1 at e3

You'd be surprised what you can accomplish in 40 hrs/week if you put your mind to it.

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>>390179404
>posts a weeb cartoon
>SJ
>weeb
What a fucking retard lol

New/remake Brandish when? Dark Revenant getting localized was one of the best things to happen this gen. It was so damn good.

>>390179017
It gets off to a rocky start but by the time you hit Sanctuary Approach the level design, music and combat are so fucking good

I beat the entire second half of the game in 1 12 hour sitting and it's one of my favorite gaming memories

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>>390180406
>New/remake Brandish when?

Never ever

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>>390174995
the only thing i liked on Sky was the lore and Political backstory which is barely used, the main story is pure anime garbage and i had to force myself into finishing SC( play the same game as FC but now with a few new dungeons!) even falling asleep 2 times playing, MUH SHATTERED HEART Joshua and PURE LIGHT TOMBOY Estelle got on my nerves but a genius loli beating seasoned soldiers/mercenaries with a cannon was just too much, the whole I COULD BEAT YOU IF I WANT BUT I WILL HOLD BACK! over and over again was ridiculous not to mention the bad guy having less development than a NOBODY in any city, a few songs were good but most of it nothing special. The only one i really liked was Zero/Ao mainly because of the political turmoil, corruption and the shitty situation of Crossbell keep me interested that is until the whole Magical crap starts happening but even Zero/Ao was nothing truly amazing but at least i didn't hate the main characters and did not had to force myself.

>>390181814
You seem mad.

So any guess when the CS3 spoilers will start dropping?

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>>390181912
what a great argument Falcomfag! why would i be mad? wasting 50+ hours on FC/SC? believing the shills/Lying Falcomfags on Falcom Threads?

>>390182198
25th or 26th. Although the trophy list may get leaked earlier.

>>390180148
Why? That game is shit.

>>390157596
Currently playing Cold Steel. Fucking hell, i hate the MC. The game is so vanilla zzzzzz

>>390176753
Does the real world hold regular martial arts tournament with essentially no rules, all weapons are allowed, teenagers are allowed to participate, and just about all participants end up with no real lasting injuries? Cause that's the type of martial arts tournament that shows up in the game and so many shounen manga/anime.

>>390176881
He is a protagonist, you control him for a long time. But even if he isn't, does that suddenly make his character that unique?

>>390182713
If you already hate Rean then you're going to love Cold Steel 2.

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>>390158000
As someone who played through CS 1 and 2 I can safely say these neckbeards that are either
A) Weebs thateat any shit given to them
B) Weeks that Love school simulators
C) Waifufags with shit taste
Are just flat out wrong
Cold Steel is pure horse shit unless you like it's mediocre combat which is basically babby tier in terms of depth and strategy

>Falcom always had tropes
Everything has fucking tropes, it only matters if they're used tastefully and not blatantly pandering to weeb losers or Jap shut ins

>>390183197
>it only matters if they're used tastefully
>Renne has 3 PHDs

555-COME-ON-NOW

>>390157748
What was the name of the DS game that one guy made with his self insert as the main villain?

>>390182323
Not that guy, but you didn't make a single argument in the first place. You just wrote a string of statements and vaguely ridiculed things. Nice blog.

>>390158000
It's not that it's too anime because Falcom has always been anime. The only difference is that they started as old school anime and evolved with it, making it current anime the way it is now.

>>390170203
Particularly silly to pretend the whole pandering thing is new when Ranma was being watched by 1 out of 5 TV viewers in Japan.

>>390183373
>unimportant detail
vs
>personality and backstory

>>390183723
Her personality is that of an all-knowing brat who got away with fooling the entire party and her background is the edgiest one in the game. She's also supposed to be on par with Joshua in combat. That's not realistic.

>>390182713
He gets worse

>>390184034
Because really heavy experimentation fucked up her brain a lot, Tio got it easier and she still has amazing computational abilities.

>>390158000
>when the MC stood up the boss and said ''Heh, guess I have no choice but to use it then...''

For some reason, that troupe would sound pretty cool in video game format.

>>390157596

Because there is a certain degree of fun allowed.

>>390184228
Sounds like a bullshit anime backstory to justify letting a loli into your party which otherwise has no reason to take in a kid and letting them close to danger.

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>>390157748

Undertale was a decent game, but if you think it was anything other than a mediocre bullethel and JRPG you are full of shit.

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>>390158000

>>390176453
oh... what the fuck happened to Hellsing? Started out so good

>>390158621

They always had Tropes. They only adjust them for the era. Why did you think Origin boiled down to

>Muh brother is dick
>For muh greater good
>Muh dad.

They literally take popular ideas and use them. And there is nothing wrong with that as long as the game play is fun, which it always have been.

>>390184273

It wasn't

>>390162319

Saya is best girl

>>390182794
>>390184157
Nice, now ive gotta complete it to find out.

I though the entire people of the Ys series is that you're the James Bond of that world so having a party system would go against the tradition of Ys?

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Is /v/ going to treat Falcom as new Working Designs? Its never cool to hate independent japanese devs.

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>nu-ys
>god tier
Ys 1 and Ys 2 are the only good Ys

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>>390186034
if you're going to oldfag, at least oldfag correctly

>>390185512

Adol is just a regular guy who keeps triggering doomsday prophesies around the globe.

>>390157596
By focusing on gameplay instead if graphics and inflated marketing budgets.

>>390185512
No, you're an adventurer who hates boats. Adventurers can have parties.