Paid online.

>90$ HDMI converter

Starting 2018

>>390064583
$20 a year

>>390064768
>Price subject to change

>>390064768
>>390064894
20$ a year isnt much, especially when compared te the ps4 and xbone, but paid online is still fucking retarded. thanks for popularizing this retarded buisness scheme to make extra money and inspire sony and nintendo to do the same thing.

>>390065285
>paid online is still fucking retarded
why?

32GB of internal storage.

>playing Nintendo games online

>>390064894
$10 a year?

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>>390064583
>too poor to afford $20 a year to be able to play the GOAT console online
My condolences

>>390065390
Because it shouldn't be paid and it doesn't accomplish anything but to provide more money for your company Im happy that Nintendo made it cheap, but it shouldn't be paid

>>390065542
Anon just because I don't want to throw money at something that should be free doesn't mean I'm poor. I just have decent sense.

>>390065390
You're not paying for their servers because it's all P2P, and you're not paying for the actual connection because that's on your ISP. You're giving them money for literally nothing in return.

>>390064583
>play splatoon 2
>can't team up with my friend on turf wars
>can't team up with my friend on ranked
>can't team up with my friend on splatfests
I mean, while I don't like paid online, I could have put up with $20 a year. Guess there actually isn't any reason for me to since Nintendo doesn't even make online worth playing to begin with.

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>>390065390
>>390065482
>sm4sh
>mario kart
>splatoon
>Pokken

>>390065652
>You're giving them money for literally nothing in return.
How is this any different than any other Nintendo product?

>>390065754
i wish i waited with posting
>>390065727

>>390065727
All better in local multiplayer desu

>>390065579
>Because it shouldn't be paid and it doesn't accomplish anything

how so?

Only outrageous when nintendo does it

>>390065652
>it's all P2P
There's still infrastructure needed to set P2P up. They may not host dedicated servers, but there still needs to be matchmaking and general maintenance and so on.

>>390064894

Let's be realistic here, the price is not going to jump from $20 to $60. That would not go over well, at all.

>>390064894
I can't wait for steam to do this
And don't say they won't, because NO ONE thought Nintendo would have paid online, NO ONE thought the ps4 would have paid online after the ps3 had free online it's whole time alive and still does today.

>>390064583
Hey, everyone wanted nintendo to play catch up to the competition, so here it is.

>>390066030
they won't and nintendo online is cheap af.

Also PC online lacks the community from PSN or particularly XBL not to mention the free games

>>390065903
That wasn't the point.

>>390065903
>All better in local multiplayer desu
>mario kart 8
Yeah, fuck no. I sold that shit within a week of buying it due to trying to play it with a friend. Fuckers really need to include horizontal split screen if I'm ever going to think about touching one of their kart games again. Until then all I can do is emulate MK DD.

>>390064583
apparently its only ok when Sony does it

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>>390066098

Well we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. That is if we ever come to it, FOOL!

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>>390066098
calm down, okay?

>>390066118
They will

Better question is, how many will still pay to play multiplayer games.

Just like consoles, f2p isn't affected, but all multiplayer is pay to play online sub.

Who is still in and would you abandon steam if so?

>>390066267
The fact that you now have paid online is proof enough that that bridge is coming sooner than you'd think. But go ahead and bury your head in the sand and say "It will never happen"

>>390066161
>playing Nintendo games online
Actually yes, that was anon's point.

>>390064583
Automatic "no buy" for me.

>>390066358
no, they won't

>paid online
>Online is worse than the online systems we had for free 11 years ago

this is the real problem.

>>390066369
>muh slippery slope

>>390066535
I'm not having any issues with mine

>>390066267
We're crossing the paid online bridge right now and all you nintendo shills are defending it.

>>390064583

>implying I play online on console much less pay for it
Check mate OP

>>390066260

The sad thing is, that's what people here think. And they still believe Sony is some pro-consumer hero when they've done just about everything Microsoft has. The only thing /v/ has to hold onto is the idea that Sony would never ever think of taking away their freedom to play used games.

Until that freedom goes away too, and then it's "b-b-but muh weeb games!" as a last ditch argument for supporting them.

>>390066118
>PC online lacks the community from PSN
The community is there, but just more fragmented.

>not to mention the free games
Steam has free games.

People like to brag about other sites like GoG, but realistically Steam has no direct competition. Look at paid mods. It is only a matter of time until Steam jumps on the paid online bandwagon.

>>390064583
Welcome to the club.

>>390065690
>yes you can just won't always be on their team
>you can play with 1 or 3 friends on the same team always
>if you have 3 friends you can
I mean it could be a lot better but don't straight up lie

>>390066369
>>390066617

The whole idea of "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" is we'll deal with it when it actually happens. The idea isn't "well this one thing happened so every conceivable awful thing in the world must therefor happen".

In other words, we'll worry about them raising the price of paid online when it actually happens, if it actually happens

>>390066586
>muh slippery slope
Something can't be a fallacy if there is empirical data to support it.

>>390066864
But you defend paid online itself. You'd defend the price being raised to 30 too "Well, it's only 10 dollars extra"

>>390066702
>The community is there
nah

>Steam has free games.
But not games for free.

>>390067000
What you can't afford $10? Are you homeless?

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>>390067000

You're putting words in my mouth. Just fuck off already.

>>390066672
>The only thing /v/ has to hold onto is the idea that Sony would never ever think of taking away their freedom to play used games.
Actually it was already in the works until M$ received all that backlash, so they scrapped the idea and instead insulted M$ for big bragging rights.

>>390066586
It doesn't even have basic features built in to the system. That's how it's more than a decade behind everyone else and still behind free services.

>>390066929
>there is empirical data
oh cool where

>>390066118
>free games*
*rentals

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>Got a Switch on day 1
>Played Zelda
>Will play Mario too
>No other games really interest me
>"Free trial" of paid online going completely to waste
>Won't pay for it in the future
I guess I don't care.

>>390067138
>It doesn't even have basic features built in to the system.
if by basic you mean unnecessary then sure

>>390066202
I didn't have a problem with it, I think it's the best way. I agree they should give you the choice though.

>>390067135

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

>>390067228
>Voice chat is unnecessary

It is in an online system that charges you money to use it.

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>>390064583
Free online.

>>390064768
>It´s ok cause is almost no money
A whore is a whore, doesn´t matter how much she charges for it.

>>390067138
It doesn't even have shit the vita does for online.

>>390067196
I'm in the same boat. Unless the NES games with online take off in a big way I can live without it.
Unless Animal Crossing makes good use of online, then I'll probably crumble.

>>390067342

The thing is, I still don't defend paid online, and I never will. I hated the idea of it then, I hate the idea of it now.

>>390067342
I don't understand how so many people have this idea that if you can afford something then you should be ok with paying for it. It's like if I were to just demand £5 from someone and if they so no I just say "what, you can't afford £5! Get a fucking job!"

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>>390067398
>tfw you realize all the retards who buy TF2 hats and CSGO/DOTA cosmetics have been paying for steam's online infrastructure costs so you don't gotta pay for online

>>390066796
Joining the same game as a friend is NOT the same as teaming up with them. This is aggravated by the fact that 9 out of 10 times they seem to purposely put you on opposite teams. That may be based on personal data, but it isn't over exaggeration. In the last 50 games I played with my friend, we were on the same team 6 times.

>you can play with 1 or 3 friends on the same team always
This is only for league. Did you see me mention league? If you want to call me a liar, don't lie your ass off yourself.

>if you have 3 friends you can
I don't have 3 friends to play with. I specifically said "friend", not "friends". This is a non-issue in just about any other multiplayer game in existence. Why do you defend it in Splatoon 2? Because it is a Nintendo game and you are a blind fanboy?


>select all images with bridges
>only one image has a bridge
>won't accept only 1 image selected
Fuck you too captcha...

>>390067568
It's just aimed more at trying to shame people who are criticizing the company they are staking too much of their personal identity to.

We see people doing it here for Nintendo, they did it there for sony, and people did it for microsoft.

they know it's bad but they can't accept the criticism of the company without taking it personally so they try to insult and shame people who level the criticism.

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>>390066269
Simply follow the blues clues to solve the riddle

>>390067074
I have a handful of games on steam that I got for free. I don't need to pay a subscription to keep them either.

I have even more on origin

>>390067336
>>Voice chat is unnecessary

yup, just use your phone?

>>390065921
Netcode and such has been no better for PS4 since having paid online and they still suffer issues

>>390067725
Nah, it was free before hats.

>>390067836
>Having to use another device to do something even other handhelds offered for free with their FREE online
>But pay for it.

Nope.

>>390067342
I have yet to hear a good argument against it other than "WAAAAAAAH I HATE PAYING MONEY WAAAAAAAA"

Grow up, children.

>>390067887
But steam's userbase has expanded tremendously since hats became a thing

>>390067859
That's Sony's fault lol

>>390067938
What other argument do you need? It is something that should be free and you are not only paying for it but defending it.

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>>390067725
That and the 30% off every sale made on Steam ever.
>Coud saves for every game as long as the developer enables it
>Screenshot storage
>Speeds high enough to max out 99% of internet connections
>Can change your name
All for the low, low price of free.

>>390068049
>It is something that should be free

why?

>>390067140
>M$ starts paid online
>Sony joins in down the road
>Nintendo joins in down the road
Do you not know what empirical data is anon? Paid online is a growing trend, and it has reached every single gaming platform besides PC. Maybe Steam will be the ones to stop the trend. Maybe not. Either way, there is empirical data showing that there is a reasonable possibility that they will start using paid online.

>>390067963
So? PC games have always had free online.

>>390068096
Industry standards defined what should and should constitute a paid service and their service does not meet the criteria due to a failure to deliver features that were standard even in free services before.

>>390068098
>Sony and MS started paid online
>this is evidence that Nintendo will raise the price on theirs
that's not how it works, kiddo

>>390068096
It's free on PC so I can just take my business elsewhere. Anyone bending over and taking this is a fool of the highest caliber.

>>390068183
Heads up, dude, their service is also over 50% cheaper

>>390067257
>I didn't have a problem with it, I think it's the best way.
Yeah, unlike your usual /v/ crowd, I understand that some people prefer things in a way that you may not, so I was careful not to say that they need to change it back, but rather that they should include it as an option. Fuck all these selfish people that think things shouldn't be changed to benefit both sets of people.

>>390068231
PC isn't portable nor does it play Nintendo first parties reliably lol

>>390068125
You don't understand what I'm saying. It was free back in the day because Steam made enough money from game sales to support their relatively small userbase. But now Steam has millions more users all downloading games, streaming games, and playing games online (many of them free). All those microtransactions people hate so much support the whole ecosystem and keep it free.

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Physical DLC.

>>390068367
Hahahaha

>>390068096
>why?
Because they are using YOUR internet connection, that YOU pay for, to host THEIR game, that YOU paid for as well.

inb4
>but but matchmaking servers cost tons of monies
I paid the game you fucking kike. And PS2 Sony was able to host their actual dedicated SOCOM servers for 10 years. Hell, on PC you get dedicated servers everywhere by simply buying the fucking game.

Unless of course Nintendo is now giving away their games for free. Then it would be fine.

>>390068023
Valve has had no issues and their online is the best

>>390068407
nice argument lol

>>390068459
Not an argument

>>390068368
It would be free regardless because PC players have to much class to pay for online.

>>390068270
50% cheaper than full standard services but still failing to provide shit that free services saw as standard isn't a good deal. You are paying for less than you used to get for free.

>>390068443
>Because they are using YOUR internet connection, that YOU pay for, to host THEIR game, that YOU paid for as well.

But it still requires infrastructure and maintenance on their part to maintain functionality.

If it was entirely P2P, then how could it go down at all?

>>390068368
Steam's expansion brings in more money, just like Sony and MS, they get a 30% cut off every sale if done digitally (MS and Sony also charge fees to get the games on their platform). Sure Steam had less users, but they were bringing in significantly less money due to less sales. 30% of the 10m PUBG copies sold is $100m alone for doing next to nothing.
Point is, Steam would be free regardless of MTX. They have to be free, or people would move to other platforms, you don't have that choice with console gaming.

>>390064583
I didn't pay for it with Xbox Live, I didn't pay for it with PSN, I'm not going to pay for it here.

PC is for my online gaming rarely 3DS as well

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>>390068484
See>>390068367

>>390068495
People on PC can host their own game servers as well, so online will probably always be free. If steam disallows this for every game on their platform then it's time to light the pitchforks.

>>390068518
free services on the PC maybe

>>390064583
Yeah, shit sucks. At the very least it's 20$ but you know they're just trying to ease us in and pull a 60$ subscription later on.

>>390068596
>If it was entirely P2P
Then the fucking Nin-ten-kikes wouldn't have control over it, which would be a bad thing.

>But it still requires infrastructure
omg, Wii U + 3DS Miiverse took actual infrastructure. Guess who paid that. The fucking people who bought games paid for that.

Nintendo is not only shutting those Miiverse servers down, which actually had tons of traffic and now they just got simplistic and cheap match making servers. That's all.

Next you will tell me, that their fucking store takes infrastructure and maintenance too and that one should pay for the fucking store as well with a monthly fee, to be allowed to be able to buy Nin-ten-kike games digitally.

And mind you, there now also going full out with their Amiibo kike scheme. Metroid Another M Returns requires fucking 4 Amiibos.

Prime 4 will be shite and surely require 20.

>>390068190
First, I made a mistake when quoting your "muh slippery slope". I didn't follow the reply chain properly and thought you were talking about paid online coming to Steam. Still, if you read my reply properly you would have realized that I maid no claim that Nintendo prices would go up, but was rather talking about paid online coming to Steam.

Since I am replying to you though, there is even better empirical data to support Nintendo's paid online going up in price. It is this thing that has been around for ages. It is called inflation. Everything rises in price eventually.

>>390068190
>Sony and MS started paid online
No...

>>390068653
Exactly my way too.
Fuck those kikes.
Fuck all of them.

I hope the fucking industry burns to the ground.

>>390068970
>Then the fucking Nin-ten-kikes wouldn't have control over it, which would be a bad thing.

and it would work like shit

>>390068697
Not an argument

>>390067196
Ill probably be bored of splatoon by the time we have to pay so I'm not too worried either

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The amount of games I have pirated on 3DS and Wii U are worth a lifetime of online subscription.
And when the Switch gets hacked it will only increase.

Giving them $20 a year is literally LITERALLY nothing to what I have pirated from them.

>>390064583
like any other console?

>>390069089
the point is XBL and PSN are paid

>>390069137
It is though, Im arguing that the switch brings value over the PC thanks to Nintendo first parties and portability

>>390068190
>>Sony and MS started paid online
No, you fucking shill.
Microsoft started with it like the fucking cancer they are.
Sony was already kike-ing their customers/sheep with their $599.

And now they went full kike and morons even applaud Sony for doing so. Yeah great Sony. The Piss4 is just $399 + monthly fee. Way cheaper than the $499 PS3 model. Yay. Yeah, sure, monthly fee and we have to re-buy all the games, but whatevs, what counts is that we can't do fucking basic math.

>Millennials, ruining it for everyone

>>390064583
You have to understand. Paid online isnt an insult when its the industry standard. It just sucks.

>>390069242
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>390066098
>autismo gets in a hissy fit about an announcement for a console he doesn't like. Gets even madder about something that MIGHT happen but is really improbable.

This nigger will probably buy the switch just so he can bitch about it all day on /v

>>390069323
settle down, Hitler.

>>390069089
Regardless of all the failed attempts that came before, xbl made paid online "okay"

>>390065482
>playing any games online

>>390069136
>and it would work like shit
Eh, you do know what the Switch paid online way is, right?

>Hook your smartphone to the fucking thing to do basic online
>Swotch is not powerful enough to do voice chat, or lobby, or chat
>cable here, cable there, cable everywhere
>surely less than 2.5 hours to play on the non-replaceable battery
A total fucking mess. And the fucks want an additional monthly fee for this mess.

They literally shit on your table and then ask for a subscription fee to do every day. And the joke is: you are okay to pay for that.

>>390069664
yes, by being a reliable service

>>390065579
>Because it shouldn't be paid and it doesn't accomplish anything but to provide more money for your company
what is PS+

>>390069736
Then dont buy it

>>390069736
that has nothing to do with anything, and your 2.5 hours figure is literally pulled out of your ass

>>390069759
No, it was Halo 2 that made people accept it. Anything else is just rationalization.

>>390069556
Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>390069858
yeah because it was a reliable online experience

>>390069425
>paid online is unfortunately an industry-standard and now every console is doing it
>let's just lay it all on Nintendo without a legitimate reason as to why you should hold off on their service like voice chat problems
>now suddenly when you say this you're just a blind, under 18, nintendo fanboy
ok

>>390069904
he did a lot of things wrong actually

>>390069848
Let me check
>Breath of the Wild - 2.5 hours of gameplay
>which is a single player game
>and doesn't need wireless at all
>wireless needs power
>thus the shitty thing will be out of battery even faster when trying to play online

Nope, simple logic.

inb4
>but but but indie
fuck off

>>390070054
>>Breath of the Wild - 2.5 hours of gameplay
source? Also not all games are as power-hungry or optimized as one another, derp.

Why is the idea that you need to pay for infrastructure to have online even being spread? You can create a true p2p environment that doesn't rely on a central server to connect players. This is a one time investment. It just requires you to have programmers that aren't complete shit.

>>390069980
>paid online is unfortunately an industry-standard
It wasn't until this fucked up "generation"
and thus
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>390070162
Breath of the Wild is supposed to be 2.5 - 3 hours of gameplay, but that's only if you're playing it consistently.

>>390064583
>Barely any games
>Paid online

>>390070026
Yes, he didn't exterminate the kikes.
That was his only fault.

>>390069947
No, because it was required to play the hot game of the day.

>>390070162
>source?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV61AFt6yfQ

>>390069323
>Sony was already kike-ing their customers/sheep with their $599.
>He doesn't know how technology works
The cheapest bluray player was more expensive than $600. Their $600 price tag was not making them a profit, so I don't see how they were being jewish.

>>390066118
>Also PC online lacks the community from PSN or particularly XBL
That's where you're wrong. Steam is console gaming for people with PC hardware. Considering how much bullshit Valve gets away with already, I'm sure they'll get away with paid online.

>>390069664
The point I was making is that Sony and MS did not start paid online. MS started paid online completely on their own. Do I have to fucking spell everything out like I'm speaking to a child?

>>390070214
microsoft and sony have been doing it before and nintendo started doing it. so what? either you pay for it, don't, or get a PC. single player games and games you can play locally were made for a reason.

also apparently to win an "argument" just start insulting people by their "true age". yeah that'll show em

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>>390064583
>B-B-BUT PC WILL ALSO HAVE PAID ONLINE NOW!!

>>390066030
The only reason console manufacturers get away with it is because they have a monopoly on the online service on their console.

The amount of goodwill Valve would lose from that kind of move would be insane, it'd be like writing their competitors a blank check.

>>390070445
Not him, but you do realize they turned on wifi for that test right? That means the 2.5 hours for BotW is a worse case scenario, and will NOT go down for multiplayer games. In fact, it would go up for BotW if you actually treat it as a single player game and turn off the wifi. I think I was usually getting around 3 1/2 hours each play session for BotW.

>>390070787
Does it really matter who started it? It's here, the model's profitable, and hardly anyone is left to complain anymore.

>>390066269
SHUT THE FUCK UP ERIC

>>390071126
>The amount of goodwill Valve would lose from that kind of move would be insane, it'd be like writing their competitors a blank check.
How many people would want to lose access to their Steam library? If they pulled this move then they would barely lose anyone. Steam drones are bigger sheeple than console drones. I guarantee you the moment Steam announces paid online, there will be a huge amount of threads defending it by bragging about how cheap they get to buy their games for.

>>390065990
Why is it only consoles require this extra cost for matchmaking and maintenance? Paid online is a scam

>>390068452
valve's online is funded buy numale cucks buying hats for their wife's son in pubg

>>390071126
It's literally this, PC has actual competition, you can't charge for online. MS tried it for about a day, it doesn't work. Consoles get away with this scam because they have a captive audience.

>>390072228
>MS tried it for about a day
Why are you using an unpopular service as "proof" that it wouldn't work? Steam has a captive audience.

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>>390067342
Here you go, I made this back in February(?)

>>390070380
Halo 2 was always shit and almost immediately eclipsed by HL2

>>390070491
Yeah and Steam has a shit community

>>390071914
Because PCs don't have a centralized MM system and it falls to the consumers to pay for their own dedicated servers

>before the Xbox bullshit, pay like 60 dollars and play free online
>after Xbox bullshit, pay like 60 dollars and pay for online
>game prices don't drop after this

"but is just 20 or 50 a year, is not that expensive you poorfag", yeah right, like the concept isn't wrong. If you want a better service then pay a subscription for that game, not for the console service ffs, some online games don't even need much work

Oh yeah, you guys remember when every game with a digital and physical formats, the digital should be much more cheaper choice than physical(because boxes, discs, manuals are expensive)? I don't either

>>390073793
You must not have been around back then.

>>390066030
>>390070491

They're never going to do it. They make more money from F2P shit with microtransactions. It doesn't make financial sense to limit their audience.

>>390073793
>Halo 2 was always shit and almost immediately eclipsed by HL2
What hole did you crawl out of? Halo 2 stayed popular for a long time.

>>390074470
yeah, back then when everybody called Halo babby's first FPS kek

>>390074019
>it falls to the consumers to pay for their own dedicated servers
weird I haven't seen that bill yet

>>390074967
it's called shilling for donations or getting ads served in your face when you join a server

>>390074840
Doesn't change how popular it was and how it was the one reason xbl didn't fail.

I don't plan on using the mp service since I got a PC with plently of mp action already and most mp games suck dick anyway.

>>390065390
It's p2p for Nintendo.
It IS retarded.

>>390064583
I agree. Paid online is retarded. I've never paid to play online, and I'm not going to start now. Fuck all three.

>>390066030
>I can't wait for steam to do this
retard.

>>390076695
yes but you still need to get those P2P connections set up which is done through a central architecture

>>390067431
It sucks but it's nice they kept it free for this long while others have had paid online longer

>>390064583
The last company to give in.
Damn shame.

>>390070448
>>390069323
putting a ps2 inside the ps3 is what caused it to be 600 and guess what people are gonna buy 1 500-600 dollar console with no games

>>390066030
It would be a very bad idea for Valve to do it. You can always jump on GOG or whatever. If you have a Playstation then that's all you get and you have no choice other than to pay.

>>390077924
>You can always jump on GOG

um

>>390077125
so steam does it for free psn used to do it

>>390077993
What's the problem? They have every big release Steam does.

>>390078103
no it doesn't

>>390077823
>tons of money invested in developing bluray
>bluray drive itself expensive to manufacture
>tons of money invested in cell
Yes anon, a cheap piece of hardware is TOTALLY the reason the PS3 was so expensive. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with expensive as fuck new technology.

>>390076695
a lot of ps4 games are also p2p

>>390074481
>It doesn't make financial sense to limit their audience.
A lot of things Valve has done didn't make financial sense until it was realized just how stupid the average Steam user is.

>>390077924
Don't even need GOG (it's still pretty shit after so long), some large company will swoop in like a hawk and try to take Valve's place. Who doesn't want 30% from every sale?

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>>390078238
but that is wrong
and why did xbox have no wifi, small hdd, no rechargeable controller no bc

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>>390064583
Can't wait to pay and have fun with the Online

>>390071990
So? At least everyone on steam isn't forced to pay to access their internet just because.

>>390065390
It's been proven that the money you spent for Xbox Live or Playstation Plus doesn't go to upkeeping, maintaining, or updating anything related to said services. So what is happening is they are getting paid $60 a year per customer to give you a free service

>>390078867
>but that is wrong
What is wrong anon? That the PS2 chip at the time would have been a really cheap piece of hardware? That the PS2 was so underdemanding that it was able to be emulated via software on the PS3? The inclusion of the PS2 hardware would bring costs up slightly, but is in no way the reason the system had such a high price point. The cell and bluray were the two leading reasons for the price point.

>and why did xbox have no wifi, small hdd, no rechargeable controller no bc
Because M$ tries to profit from selling the console while Sony tries to profit from selling the games. They both have different ways of trying to make money.

>>390065579
It's cheap because Nintendo knows there's no way in hell they'd be able to shake down people for more when their online is so fucking shitty. Their p2p shit is unacceptable even for free in 2017.

>>390079564
what im trying to say is you cant say sony was being jewish with the 600$ they were selling at a lost

>>390066016
Of course not, they'd do it gradually or wait until the next console.

>>390079208
>Lag only exists on Nintendo
boy I played CSGO last night with way more atrocious lag than that

>>390066030
>I can't wait for everything to become cancer so I can justify supporting my cancer of choice!
Please die

>>390065990
And that all costs next to nothing.

>>390079959
no one said that we said nintendo is making us pay for online that is slower than mircosoft sony and i guess pc pc is a mixed bag of super fast and slow

>>390070201
>Why is the idea that you need to pay for infrastructure to have online even being spread?

Because microsoft made people buy into the idea back then and it's too profitable not to run with it.

>>390076695
It is p2p for the majority of games on all three platforms, it never stopped being retarded, it's never going to stop being retarded.

Or acceptable, for that matter.

>>390072604
Steam also operates largely on goodwill, massive sales and discounts. Piracy is a very real threat on PC, and the more you do to alienate people who actually buy games, the more pirates you're going to churn out.

>>390079959
>boy I played CSGO last night with way more atrocious lag than that
Then join a better server. Now trying doing that with Ninte- oh wait.

>>390079789
Ahh, this was actually my original post in this chain >>390070448

I agree that they weren't being jewish, but just wanted to make a point that the costs of the PS3 came primarily from the cell and specifically the bluray. All those other things were why I was more than happy to pay the $600 price tag on release.

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>>390080582
>disconnects due to shitty P2P a few times
>we'll ban you if you don't stop something that's our fault
Fuck off.

>>390080616
i didn't buy the original 20 gb i waited for a new model

>>390080373
Piracy is just a corporate agenda anon. The amount of people that pirate is actually relatively low. Steam operates on people that are just like console players. AKA people that are willing to pay money for an easy experience. They aren't going anywhere if paid online is introduced.

>>390080898
You mean the original 60 GB model? The original 20 GB model was the gimped one at $500.

>>390081332
>crysis 2 PC sales: 750k+
>1 torrent for crysis 2: 4 million+
>the amount of people that pirate is relatively low

>>390081465
no i mean the first slim ps3

>>390066030
Steam won't be doing this anytime soon

Origin or Blizzard might however

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>>390079959
>>390079208
>>390064583
Defend this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqIjMaWfqVk

I was really interested in getting a switch when I saw they were going back to cart format
But then I saw they had DLC and paid online and stopped wanting it, fuck nintendo for going back in their words

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>>390082684
Because somehow $130 in amiibos + $20 day one season pass + $60 for the base game to get the full experience doesn't directly fly in the face of what they said.
And that's just using one game as an example. I bet you know which one it is.

>>390081617
Here let me fix what I said. The amount of people that pirate in nations that matter are relatively low. Countries like China and Brazil have a huge problem with piracy, and inflate your numbers tremendously. If you look at countries like the US/UK, then piracy numbers are not high, aka the countries that you are worried about leaving Steam if paid online is introduced.

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>>390064583

>nintendo
>online games


lol everyone will pay 20$ just for splatoon, retards

>>390083402
I love Splatoon's core gameplay, but fuck no I'm not paying for that shit online. It pisses me off enough as it is. Knowing that I'm paying for that shit online is liable to make me frisbee my switch out the window whenever it fucks me over.

>>390083402
its a good game

also mk8d

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>>390082983
>DLC is mandatory to enjoy the game

>>390083852
>reading comprehension

>>390082983
>$130 in amiibo
More like $170+

>>390082684
>I think the consumer wants to get, for their money, a complete experience
>and then we have the opportunities to provide more on top of that
Sounds pretty contradictory to me. Unless he meant more for free, like Splatoon.

>>390083852
Actually it is, like in fighting games were characters are sold as, instead of being free like they used to be in the past

>>390083852
>I am a cuck that enjoys paying for stuff that should be free

Have they announced any plans to improve their online services if they're going to charge for it now? I mean how about some fucking backup for saves? Or dedicated servers for Splatoon.

>>390084681
>free

For a certain value of free. Think of all the arcade operators who had to pay to switch out machines when Street Fighter II made the bosses playable in Champion Edition and Hyper Fighting. It was just the same shit, except even more tedious as there was no Internet to expedite the process.

>>390064583

None of the issues with the Switch have bothered me, and the only reason Paid Online bothers me on the switch is because NIntendo is fucking shitty.

I would 100% get behind them making an actual online service ala PSN/Xbox Live and locking it behind a paywall. Don't care about achievements, voice chat, party chat, etc and want to use your phone? Fine, but to me that's worth 20-30$ a year.

>>390084272
Pretty sure that's what he meant, or stuff in terms of expansion packs.

>>390064583
>paid online
>friend codes
>p2p
>have to use some shitty phone app for VOIP
Truly a great system.