Which vidya god or equivalent being would you pledge yourself to?

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>>390032851
you don't keep the beacon after you finish the quest.

is the normie love for skyrim purely based on 9gag memes? did they even bother playing the game?

>>390032937
Laughing my ass off, look at this fucking nerd. Hey guys we got a nerdvirg over here!

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>>390032937
you werent there in the thread

>>390032851
Hircine, I want a big fat werewolf dong

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Nerevar

>>390033159
he wasn't a god

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>>390032851
i already do

>>390032851
Talos and by extension Shor. Tamriel belongs to all of humanity, and every knife eared bastard is a threat to humans and will join the snow elves in extinction.

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Crom

>>390033182
Nerevar disappeared at a sudden darkening of the sun and became a god. You can't dissuade me, plebeian

>>390033278
based as fuck

Nocturnal is fine af and you get to steal shit.

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The Watchers

>>390033278
>>390033401
>He dwells on a great mountain. What use to call on him? Little he cares if men live or die. Better to be silent than to call his attention to you; he will send you dooms, not fortune! He is grim and loveless, but at birth he breathes power to strive and slay into a man's soul. What else shall men ask of the gods?

>>390033471
>thieves guild
>all you do is kill people like it's the Dark Brotherhood
>dude let's return this stolen object lmao
What a fucking shitty way to introduce a never before seen Daedric prince in the rock bottom of Skyrim quests.

>>390033591
Nocturnal is mentioned in oblivion and Morrowind. Can't remember if it is in Daggerfall as well

>>390034148
I said never before seen not mentioned, I Don't think Nocturnal even had a shrine in Morrowind and Oblivion.

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>>390034148
Daggerfall, yes.

>>390032851
>>390033082
This is cute, is there more?

Khorne

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>>390032851
Stormcloaks
inb4
>Ulfric is a traitor
>hes making easier for the thalmor to do to cyrodiil what the empire did to skyrim!
>muh reddit arguments
>muh thalmor dossier

>>390032937
Missing out on the thread aside, what part of OP's comic implies the Dragonborne finished the quest? It's not like you can see Dawnbreaker on his person. Why are you so prepped to be offended by what you imagine to be normalfags?

>>390034665
>anon in charge of not being retarded

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>>390032851
Solaris.
>Awesome as fuck aesthetic, gold filigree with red fabric and white marble
>Get amazing solar spells and abilities
>Her temple is fancy beyond belief
>No fucking with your mind and body beyond giving you a burning aura
>Golden lady with impressive rack who doesn't wear much

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>>390032851
RNG.

>>390032851
Dibella, Sune, and Sharess. All at once. They'd be into that.

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>>390032851
my angry ass crystalline nigga
gonna orderify the world and read books and shit

>>390032851
hmmm volkerh

All of them.

With proof of existence that all Gods and Daedric Gods existing, why wouldn't a reasonable individual go to extreme lengths to please all of them at the same time? I'm talking about Devoid Crusader-Esque Polytheism, prioritizing Gods over men and mer.

Perform any task given to you by any God or Daedra, so long as they don't counter any wishes of any other God or Daedra. Kill someone? So be it, murder a child in the name of literal Gods. One man on a crusade with at least 20 different banners.

>>390032851
True Tribunal.

>>390034346
She did have a shrine in Oblivion, the reward was the Skeleton Key.

Every Daedric Prince except for Dagon (and Jygalag) has a shrine in Oblivion

>>390037601
We call those schizophrenics

>>390037317
Jyggalag more like Niggalad am I rite

>>390033082
_ ____ __ ____ ____ ______

>>390037601
Problem with that is that most of the Daedra are egotistical fuckwits who wouldn't appreciate being treated as one of a set.

>>390032860
NEW

>>390037601
Meridia is against undead, guess what Molag Ball is favor of.

>>390037719
Why, though? You have physical proof of many Daedric lords existing, and only proof that only a handful of them are even malevolent. In Skyrim, less than 200 years after Dagon attempted to conquer the planet, he goes back to a general demon lord sideboard bro that gives his daggers to anyone willing to kill in his name.

>>390037763
Maybe, but in the long Run, as shown by both Oblivion and Skyrim (and to a lesser extent, Morrowind in SOME cases) you can worship multiple Daedra Gods at the same time, as well as the 9 Divines, and even several Patron Saints of the Tribunal.

>>390037758
I WANT TO FUCK THAT BEACON

>>390032851
xom

>>390037601
Boweetyah and Bal hate each other too

>>390037601
>Sheogorath now wants you to turn against all the other Daedric gods and deface a few of the Divine's Shrines, or face being turned into a living cabbage.

>>390037964
>>390037853
It's possible to serve one without pissing off the other, so long as merely serving one in name isn't cause for pissing the other off. They usually hate each other by action, not by name. There would be ways to please Molag Bal without pissing off Boethia or Meridia. For instance, Molag Bal, despite loving undead and Meridia hating Undead, also loves Soul Trapping. I'm sure neither Boethia nor Meridia dislike the concept of Soul Gem offerings, and in Morrowind, most Daedric Shrines have a Grand Soul Gem or two offered as tribute to them. Easy compromise.

One man, many Gods.

>>390033570
>fuccboi NieR
I'll never get used to it god damn

>>390038113
you do realize one of them's just gonna get a new guy and go "hey champion, this fuck's being an indecisive idiot, kill him"

>>390038484
Maybe. Won't stop me from building a polytheistic empire as an unstoppable God-Fearing warrior, using all of my divine boones to build a civilization that will stand the test of time.

>>390038113
It's possible, but it's dangerous to follow.
The thing is that if you are an irrelevant person you will stay irrelevant no matter what, if you are a powerful being or a wizard or hero of some sort Daedric Princes will fuck you up and fight for you if you double cross them, especially if you cross them with Princes they hate.
For example Miridia and Molag Bal are enemies, if any of those Daedric Princes notices that you also worship the other they will send Aurorans/Dremora after you.

>>390037593
Tentacles and teeth, within, and beneath

>>390038543
>Won't stop me from building a polytheistic empire
Ayleids got stopped pretty well.
> as an unstoppable God-Fearing warrior
Daedric Princes do not like each other.
>using all of my divine boones
Which will be taken away from you if princes don't like you.
>to build a civilization that will stand the test of time.
Unless Lorkhan doesn't like you and sends something like Pelinal after you, which you have no foreseeable way to defeat because Mundus is cheatsheet for Lorkhanic plans and everything always goes his way.

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>>390032851
>>390033082

>>390037926
>>390033082
>>390032851
STOP!! DO NOT SEXUALIZE THE BEACONS!!

>>390038543
Several wizardly orders, secretive cults and orders that have one of the 1008 weapons of destruction will fuck you up.
There is a reason why Tiber Septim needed Wulfharth and Zurin Arctrus, the strongest shezzarine and the most powerful enchanted in history to conquer Tamriel, and even then he needed Numidium, the strongest thing in the universe to conquer rest of Tamriel.

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>>390038828

>>390032851
The Holy Light of Warcraft. Or maybe some dragons from there.

I'd see myself work for the GDI of Command & Conquer as well

>>390038585
If Molag Bal wants to kill me, I'll just turn his warriors into Black Soul gems and give them right back to him.

>>390038746
>>390038867
Excellent points, but surely there's something that ALL of the Daedric Princes want. Otherwise they're a bunch of "means'" floating around in a sea of no "Ends'".

Can Daedric Lords even die? What's the point in hating each other if they can't kill each other?

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>>390038915
>>390038909

>>390038915
>>390038909
AAAAAAAAAA

>>390032851
Dibella

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>>390032851
Only answer

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>>390037763
Well what the fuck can they do? Can't touch the guy who's in bed with dozens of other gods.

>>390039291
They all realize whats up and collectively nuke you then go back to fighting

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>>390038979
>Azura
Wants to spread her influence on Mundus through seduction, being a "good" Daedra and other tricky means. Is allied with Boethiah and Mephala.
>Boethiah
Prince of plots, Machiavelli of Daedric Princes and one of the beings in the universe through which you can learn CHIM. Greatest influence on Morrowindian culture and their belief that any struggle can be overcome with enough wits.
His goal is some sort of a grand Plot, which is unsurprisingly unknown. Allied with Azura and Mephala.
>Clavicus Vile
Daedric Prince who is constantly attempting to increase his power through dubious contracts, the closest to Faustian devil in TES.
He is just extremely power hungry.
>Hermaeus Mora
Holder of all the knowledge, known, unknown and non-existent, or so it claims.
It wishes to know all there is to know and not to know.
>Hircine
The greatest hunter in and endless search of finding a greater prey.
Endless hunt that escalates is his wish.
>Jyggalag
Prince of stasis and order.
His wish is to reduce all of Aurbis and existence to a perfect unchanging order, set in stone like a crystal.
>Malacath
A formed Aedric Et'Ada who is constantly self loathing and hating himself, he is the patron of pariah folk.
Through his self hatred he wishes to help all of those like him and corrupt all that is beautiful.
>Mehrunes Dagon
Agent of Change and Destruction.
He wants to constantly change everything around him, change that is both destructive and sometimes needed, this might include conquest on Mundus sometimes.
>Mephala
Daedric Prince of the unkown, fate etc.
It's motivations are not completely known, it's allied to Boethiah and Azura.
>Meridia
Magna-Ge turned to a Daedric Prince.
Above all it wishes to return to Aetherius and become a Magna-Ge once more, in attempting to do so it became a zealous insane creature that hates and destroys everything which is opposed to the Aetherial order of Magna-Ge.
Hates Molag Bal.
CONT.

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>>390038979
>>390039674
>Molag Bal
Prince of Rape, Domination, subjugation.
He will grant you great power AND HE WILL FUCK YOU UP, have no doubts about that. By the end of his servitude you will be in shackles, murder raped by monstrosities of all sorts till the end of times.
He wants to dominate all that exists.
Enemy of Meridia.
>Namira
Lady of decay, katabasis.
She wants complete and utter decay of everything that exists...for some reason. Return to it's base form, a giant recycling God of sorts, though recycling means cannibalism in this case.
>Nocturnal
Daedric Prince of darkness, endlessness and some say Oblivion itself. It doesn't fuck around much but some argue that it is one of the most powerful beings in Aurbis and it owns multiple Daedric Planes.
It is not entirely known what it wants to achieve.
>Peryite
Pestilence, disease, natural order and king of lesser things.
He is tasked with watching over lesser realms of Oblivion many of which are contained in the Pits, his plane. He just passes from one realm to another making sure everything is alright for lesser Daedra.
He doesn't seem to have any grand ambition.
>Sanguine
Owns endless realms connected to each vice and pleasure there exists.
It seems that he wants to experience all there is, create new experiences and let all share his endless pleasures if anything.
>Sheogorath
Daedric Prince of Madness. Due to his madness it might seem that he has no grander goal.
He was born after Jyggalag was cursed by other Princes with help of the Sithis shaped hole left by Lorkhans divine spark. Thus many argue that Sheogorath to this day holds connection to Lorkhan and his divine scheme.
>Jyggalag
Prince of infinite order and changeless stasis.
Perfect weapon against other Daedric Princes, he was virtually unstoppable due to his sphere and had to be turned into his polar opposite to be defeated.
He wants to bring ultimate changeless order to all.

>>390039674
>>390040315
>Vaermina
Daedric Prine of dreams, nightmares and torture. It knows the great power that dreams hold in this universe and it wants to shroud Aurbis in it's endless nightmare, thus gain control over all that is.
Vaermina is an enemy of Ebonarm, Boethiah, Peryite, and Hermaeus Mora, but is allied with Sanguine.

>>390036523
>No fucking with your mind
How do you explain the blackguards pledging themselves life and soul to her then

>>390040315
>>390039674
gimme sanguine boss

>>390039674
>>390040315
>Merhunes Dagon
>this might include conquest on Mundus sometimes
He needs to conquer mundus because, as an ex Lepper Demon, he needs to undo changes he did to Mundus throughout various Kalpas. This is only possible if he destroys it. Then his curse will be broken and he can return to his mortal existence.

>Nocturnal
Also Ur-dra, the first prince. A ceremonial role given to her by all others.

>>390040568
I figured it was out of their own volition, but probably not. All of the gods in Path of Exile seem to just take their followers without caring what they think about it.

>>390040315
Why hasnt there been any mention of Jyggylag since we defeated him in the Shivering Isles? Surely he can't be gone for good

>>390038113
>It's possible to serve one without pissing off the other, so long as merely serving one in name isn't cause for pissing the other off.
No it isn't because even if you somehow did manage to keep them all happy for a while eventually Sheogorath would start giving you tasks that contradict those handed out by the other princes just to fuck with you

>>390041083
He is a Daedric prince without a sphere of influence and no relics, worshipers or portals on Mundus, it would be very hard for him to spread his influence...initially.
Planes of Oblivion were originally harder to reach and there was a good natural barrier between Mundus and Oblivion. This all changed when Direnni started opening portals and experimenting left and right, bringing in Daedric creatures and artifacts of all sorts, making contracts with various princes and whatnot. In a way what Direnni did caused portions of Daedric princes influence to seep into Mundus permanently.
A Daedric Prince without worshipers, portals, artifacts, shrines etc. on Mundus has virtually no way to influence Mundus at all.

Basically Jyggaag needs help from other Daedric entities, some sort of grand plan or he has to be reached out to by a mortal to establish presence on Mundus.

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>>390032851
Y.V. so he'd bless me with some nice guns.

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>>390039623
How can the "gods" in memescrolls universe even interact with mortals?

From what I understand is that they can't just el deleto you from existence, but have to rely on henchmen and second-hand interaction to get things done.

>>390041747
yuzhan vong

>>390032851
any that actually do shit cause the real life one doesn't *tip fedora*

>>390041904
There's a metaphysical separation between Mundus and Oblivion. They can reach into Mundus, but they don't have their full powers in there. It's like they can just reach inside with one of their hands and can't push the banhammer thru the hole.

>>390034806
Meridia is calling the Dragonborn champion

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>>390032851
The retired goddess of mountains

>>390042503
kero kero

>>390041904
First of all, Gods don't exist in TES, more importantly everyone is a God including mortals, the only distinction between a God and a mortal is power level because biologically and spiritually mortals are just stabilized Ada (spirits).
Aedra are ancestrial spirits that are part of Mundus, Daedra are alien spirits from planes of Oblivion that often wish to influenec Mundus.
Now imagine it this way, I will bring a retarded explanation through some arbitrary stats.
Lets say Daedric Princes have power pool of 100%, through shrines and artifacts they implant permanent influence on Mundus, so lets say some Daedric Prince sacrifices 5% of his power pool to have constant presence near his shrines, he can also spend additional energy to summon shit and openly communicate like he can use 10% of his energy to summon a horde of Dremora into Mundus, leaving him with 85% of his power. There barriers are active on Mundus, like Dragonfires or now permanent new barrier created by Martin Septim, and barrier does something like this
>A Daedric Prince can not merge planes with Mundus, can not physically enter Mundus without a lesser avatar and he can not exert grand influence on Mundus (Lets say no Daedric pricne can put more than 50% of their influence into Mundus)
Lets for example take a look at invasion of Mehrunes Dagon, he initially sacrificed all of his energy that he could, all 50% to kick off the grand invasion. As time passed he could open more and more portals and send in larger and larger armies, eventually when barrier fully weakened he was able to fully enter Mundus and once he would merge it with Deadlands he would have 100% of his power in both realms. 100% of a Daedric Princes power is omnipotene, so when a Daedric Prince is not invading or spending his energy he can instantly destroy anyone in his realm, once Mundus would be conquered it would be impossible to defeat him.
cont.

>>390041584
Mundus is Anuic by default, Jygglag has no reason to order the already order Mundus. Oblivion is padoymaic therefore it would make sense for Jygs to be disinterested in Tamriel and focus his efforts on Oblivion.

>>390032851

did the quest yesterday. she's really cute.


btw, is it totally random in which chest the stone will appear?

>>390041904
>>390042582
Now lets say, Meridia has more shrines than Molag Bal. She has 7% of her power permanently on Mundus and Molag bal has only 5%. You try to please both and make both mad in the process she or he can attempt to destroy you. Now mind you, unless you are a powerful warrior/wizard of some sort that will be more than enough to kill you, but if you do manage to survive they can send more of their power through their shrines and artifacts to hunt you down, 10% more, 20% more, or just go balls to the wall and do all of the maximum 50% power they can exert on Mundus when the barrier is up, summoning a giant avatar of themself that can destroy virtually anyone.
If at this point you are not fucked and manage to defeat them, you are most likely someone like a Dragonborn or a wizard as powerful as Divayth Fyr, in which case you didn't need their help in the first place.

If you are wondering why Daedric Princes don't always exert maximum of their potential influence, it's because that would leave their realms weak and would leave a potential to an invasion, and as I've said before if a Daedric Prince is at full power in his realm he is undefeatable thus he always has almost 100% certainty that he will be able to defend his realm.

>>390042714
yes
I once found the beacon when I was stealing everything from the Vigilants of Stendarr hall

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Have a grand old time pounding back daedric ale, ripping the bong, fucking bitches and generally broing it up with my lad Sanguine

>>390037751
>Niggalad
Sounds like Blackman's sidekick

>>390042614
>Mundus is Anuic by default
Mundus is not Anuic, it is mix of both. It was inteded to be Anuic, but Lorkhan who is the unstable mutant of Sithis warped it to be something more than just Anuic. To prove that it's not an ideal Anuic world you just have to look up at the stars, there is a reason why all of the Magna-Ge and Magnus ran away.
Jyggalag wants perfect stasis comparable to Aetherius, unchanging and permanent.

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>>390042567
kero kero!

>>390042582
>>390042885
You're completely wrong because your starting point is wrong. God/not-God is not about the power level. Power level is an after-effect of your metaphysical being having changed.

The second point about Mundus merging with Deadlands is very misleading. It could technically happen, but not because he merged the two in a special way. It's only because nobody else could/wanted to invade (it's not completely clear). So if he turned it to Deadlands, it'd be because nobody challenged his taking over of Mundus, not because it became his.
Then again, Mundus has Lorkhan as... basically its soul. That Dagon would be defeated was very probably a metaphysical certainty.

Your percentages about "having this much power" on Mundus is full retard. First of all, all daedric princes don't have the same base power. Secondly, their power is heavily based on their metaphysical essence which is not measurable in power levels. Their influence on Mundus is unmeasurable in pure math. What you're saying is akin to saying lemonade tastes like 7% of coca cola in a sandstorm.

Lastly, daedric princes don't extert their influences over Mundus fully because there's a metaphysical barrier between the two; the second strongest divine Enantiomorph. Because there are Towers active which stop it. Also because of Martin Septim's AKA enantiomorph. And Amulet of Kings before that.
Daedra invading mundus if they tried harder is still impossible. They're bound by their nature to Oblivion.

Mate, you got some knowledge of the lore, but your posts are horrendously wrong in this case.

>>390042887
It's strange because in almost all playthroughs i always found it in the same chest, was it a bug?

>>390043195
I'd kero her kero, if you know what I mean.

>>390043787
Suwako is a powerful goddess, she's not for the likes of mortal men.

>>390043838
im not mortal tho

>>390043721
Maybe you just reached the level where it appears and always do the same dungeon/bandit hideout?

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>>390043838
nobody can beat the cock

>>390043959
I find that to be unlikely but it could be.

Woedica did absolutely nothing wrong

>>390043336
>You're completely wrong because your starting point is wrong. God/not-God is not about the power level. Power level is an after-effect of your metaphysical being having changed.
It is completely, 100% about the power level, you could argue that it's also about being an Et'Ada but by that logic none of the later Ada are Gods, nor are the Ehlnofey.
All Ada, Et'Ada or stabilized/mortal Ada are potentially Gods.
>The second point about Mundus merging with Deadlands is very misleading. It could technically happen, but not because he merged the two in a special way.
Yes, because he merged it in a special way. Re-read commentaries on Mysterium Xarxes and replay Oblivion. He was going to bring Mundus into his sphere of influence and make it his plane, same way princes do with lesser planes of Oblivion, the difference being that Mundus is super important to all existence.
>Then again, Mundus has Lorkhan as... basically its soul.
No it doesn't, now you are pulling shit out of your ass. Lorkhanic spirit or one would say even spirits wandering Mundus does not create any sort of metaphysical constant that prevents it from being conquered intrinsically. Now the fact that Lorkhan as the greatest trickster in Aurbis constantly has everything under his control behind the curtains even in his current state and even when others do not assume so is a whole different issue.
>Your percentages about "having this much power" on Mundus is full retard.
It's an easy way to explain it and it's also completely valid to an extent. We know that powers of a Daedric Prince can be contained, divided and despite being immesurable when collected in one sphere are finite when spread across. You have to look no further than Umbra and the trouble that Umrbiel caused to Clavicus Vile including permanent loss of portion of his power until he could return chunk from Umbra into himself. cont

>>390039085
Souce on image?

>>390033580
Crom likely thinks that if you're asking something of him you want more challenge. If he gives men the drive to "strive and slay" asking anything of him likely means you want more.

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>>390038828
damn is there more of this?

>>390038915
>Dova'd
Heh

>>390043336
>>390044130
>Lastly, daedric princes don't extert their influences over Mundus fully because there's a metaphysical barrier between the two
That is not the only reason why they do not do this, there have been several eras where Dragonfires were unlit and there was a whole period of time after Direnni experimentation during Ayleids when Daedric Princes were free to fuck Mundus as much as they wanted, they still did not because of fear of being fucked by other Daedric Princes if they were not careful...another thing which we know is possible because Jyggalag was on the brink of conquering whole spheres of influence that belonged to other Daedric Princes, laying waste to countless plains during his Grey march.
>Because there are Towers active which stop it
Not all towers exist to hold Mundus together nor do all the towers exist to hold the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion.
Numidium is a tower, it exist solely for apotheosis of Dwemer.
Crystal-Like-Law exists solely for the purpose of Dracochrysalis.
Only three towers hold Mundus together and protect it. Ada-Manta, Red Mountain, Throat of the World.
White Gold/Imperial City were not originally created to help Mundus, it was created to manipulate the world and become it's center, temple of the ancients for Ayleids which they could use to exert endless influence upon the world. It was not until Amulet of Kings was bound to the Alessian Covenant that White Gold tower was repurposed to activate barrier against Oblivion when the Dragonfires were lit.
>Daedra invading mundus if they tried harder is still impossible. They're bound by their nature to Oblivion.
Again wrong, there are Daedra permanently bound to Mundus, several of them in fact like Velehk Sain , and if a Prince could conquer Mundus there would be no issue with Daedra staying there since barrier would be completely broken down.

>>390044130
You can't kill a daedric prince because their essences are constants. The moment you recognize that, you should know that power level is an inadequate idea to describe their power. Their power is infinite in their domain, which means two things. First, domain not as a place, but a metaphysical domain - for example, Nocturnal and shadows. Secondly, domain as something they own, which can expand, but only while it's a part of Oblivion.
All Ada are not potentially Gods. Only elves and Old Ehlnofey spirits. If Time ended tomorrow and elves went back to the stars, humans would stay merely human. Not that this'll happen because Lorkhan won't allow it, but if it did.

Dagon did nothing to merge Mundus and Deadlands because it's out of his power. Ones who did it were Mythic Dawn who used a very special mantling process to break the dragonfires. It was them who did the "special" thing, which is as I said, a mantling and an enantiomorph in a potent combination to do so. Once the barriers were down, Dagon invaded by merely opening portals like to any other daedric realm. The difference being that Mundus was still not a daedric realm and that metaphysical reality very probably wouldn't change even if he ruled it. Remember that Commenaries are purposely written to be wrong about things.

cont.

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The stone cannot know why the chisel cleaves it;

the iron cannot know why the fire scorches it.

When thy life is cleft and scorched, when death and despair leap at thee,

beat not thy breast and curse thy evil fate,

but thank the Builder for the trials that shape thee.

>>390044130
>>390045072

Your denying of Mundus being a manifestation of Lorkhan's essence shows big ignorance. Mundus, as a project and sacrafice of Lorkhan due to the Convention, created the second strongest echo of the Anu/Padomay betrayal which lead to a new reality metaphysically divided from the old reality of the dream and in the place of stasis of old was put a new teleological goal, the one Heart of Lorkhan (that for a reason is the heart of the world) willed.
He walks Mundus not because he's cursed but because he uplifts beings he walks through to a certain end, that end being the divine Amaranth. It's also why men, mentioned earlier, were stripped from their divinity and will never get it back, because their divinity lives in the potential of the new man, which Lorkhan dreamed of. Lorkhan will always inspire another great man-hero (or heroes) to win because the reality is advancing towards his end.


Daedric princes can only be contained on Mundus. And even then, we don't know how much power they extort and in which ways over items, people, or directly. If you thought it's all the same, that's clearly wrong if you played all three games.

cont

>>390044563
>>390045240
In the eras in which Dragonfires were unlit, it was Psijic monks and the Tribunal who made pacts with various princes to keep Mundus a neutral deescalation zone. 2920 books talk about this extensively.

Yes, all the towers keep the veil of reality from crumbling down. All of them, though some are more important than others. Your soul purpose thing is wrong. Just because they were made for a certain purpose doesn't mean they don't extert any other influence. Though, this can't be proven since it relies heavily on out of game texts.
You also seem to misunderstand the meaning of a metaphysical separation of Mundus and Oblivion. Just because Dragonfires are out and daedra can fuck around in Mundus doesn't mean the separation isn't there. Mundus still retains its different metaphysical laws and teleology from Oblivion. It's just been overrun by trash because the wall is half torn-down.

You really don't get metaphysics. A daedra killed in Mundus would still have to go back to Oblivion to reform itself. Therefore it's still bound to Oblivion and not Mundus. It wouldn't be able to reform itself in Mundus, because, metaphysically, Mundus is a separate essence.

Christ, anon... I...

>>390045072
You can't kill anyone in Aurbis, all the lesser Daedra return to azure plasm and reform out of waters of Oblivion, all the Et'Ada are part of the wheel and all the mortals return through dreamsleeve. That doesn't mean that you can't pummel and subjugate a Daedric Prince into a comparative nothigness if you are powerful enough, for example a tool like Numidium would be able to beat an Et'Ada into submission.
>All Ada are not potentially Gods. Only elves and Old Ehlnofey spirits. If Time ended tomorrow and elves went back to the stars, humans would stay merely human. Not that this'll happen because Lorkhan won't allow it, but if it did.
Speculation and not backed up by any facts. As far as we know there is no metaphysical nor biological difference between Ald Ehlnofey and Wandering Ehlnofey. You are operating entirely based on nationalistic and racist ideas that Aldmer have.
Lets approach this like a scientist would
>Are all mortal souls similar and function similarily when affected by magic or trapped
Seemingly, yes
>Do all mortals souls go through dreamsleeve if by default if they do not end up on another plane of some sort through worship or a daedric contract
Seemingly yes.
>Are there both Men and Mer that managed to achieve various forms of divinity.
Seemingly fucking yes.
There is nothing to show that the ideology held by Aldmer was anything but racist retardation, similar to Altmer denial of Talos divinity.
>Remember that Commentaries are purposely written to be wrong about things.
I will take a text written by a person who has enough knowledge about metaphysics to form his own plane over some anon, but you can back up your claim with a source, go ahead.
I also hate to bring ESO into this but it's canon regardless of any of us liking it, and in ESO Molag Bal is literally dragging parts of plane of Mundus into Cold Harbor with plans to eventually drag all of Mundus into Cold Harbor thus merging them.

>>390039674
>machiavelli of

yet another fucking retard who parrots incorrect idioms and hasn't read the goddam book.

machiavelli's the prince is a scathing "how to NOT BECOME the EVIL OVERLORD" list. and a " WHY being the EVIL OVERLORD is both stupid and wrong"

machiavelli was a great guy. Who got to live to see his name used to justify the very actions and behaviours he detested and decried.
>hundreds of years later he's still turning in his grave with people misusing his name.

have some godwin's law. it's exactly as retarded as saying "wow, those guys stalin, pol pot and hitler were so JESUSian man, totally humanist!"

>>390045228
that was...oddly beautiful but about as shallow as a puddle.

>>390032851
Probably some Dragon God if there are some in videogames.
I can't think of any though.

>>390045240
>Mundus, as a project and sacrafice of Lorkhan due to the Convention
And sacrifice of several dozen other Aedra and Ada of all sorts who have their energies bound to this day to Mundus, including Ehlnofey who weaved themselves into it.
>the one Heart of Lorkhan (that for a reason is the heart of the world) willed.
This is true, it does not mean that Lorkhan has complete control of Mundus, nor does it mean that Mundus is manifestation of Lorkhan's essence. If you want to go OOG, remember that Vivec theorizes that most likely Lorkhan FAILED so that we would not FAIL. Mundus carries the ideology of Lorkhan and his dream/gift for other more than his own essence directly. It is not his plane the same way planes of Oblivion belong to a singular master, it could not be due to energies invested by various other Ada.
>In the eras in which Dragonfires were unlit, it was Psijic monks and the Tribunal who made pacts with various princes to keep Mundus a neutral deescalation zone. 2920 books talk about this extensively.
And in periods previous to that whole Daedirc hosts still were rampant, especially in Cyrodiil during Ayleid rule.
>You really don't get metaphysics. A daedra killed in Mundus would still have to go back to Oblivion to reform itself. Therefore it's still bound to Oblivion and not Mundus. It wouldn't be able to reform itself in Mundus, because, metaphysically, Mundus is a separate essence.
I understand that, what you seem to missunderstand is the fact that it is seemingly possible to pull Mundus into the domain of Oblivion.

>>390045936
I will actually protest the idea that Numidium can pummel daedric princes in Oblivion. Not because I think it's impossible, but because it's in very muddy waters and I don't think I've seen a single debate on the topic that gave a satisfying answer as to why it would/wouldn't happen.

There's a reason why Thalmor need to destroy the very concept of man to break Mundus. It's because Man's essence is that of Lorkhan and Mundus can't end until Lorkhan is healed (what they don't want) or is metaphysically removed (which Thalmor want). Men are also metaphysically a rising force, while Elves are a diminishing one. This shows in the growth of Man heroes and the Empire, while Elves lose old truths and degenerate thru years.
From this it follows that Men are tied with Lorkhan in the project of attaining the New-Man, while if Time was broken and possible to return back, Men wouldn't exist anymore.

The three seemingly yes answers are a lazy non argument.

Commentaries are wrong. The reason Mankar thinks Mundus would metaphysically become Deadlands is because he thinks Mundus used to be his Lord's domain. Something, which is factually not true. This error was intentional by Kirkbride and well known.

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>>390045228
Stay vigilant brother' for thou art in the presence of heathens in thy thread who seek to praise in heretical idolatry.

Thus, they deserve the pounding of thy hammer!

Remember thy teachings: And The Builder said...'Smite thine enemies without mercy, for mercy is but weakness in disguise....'

>>390032851
The one with the best ass and tits

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Worship the slutcat.

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"What hast thou... built, Garrett? When the time comes to review thy life, with the Master Builder afore thee, and the question is asked: what hast thou built, what will thee say, poor Garrett? For thou art a man of... destruction, not construction. Tis the biggest sin of all. Build thyself today a good house, that would please Him much!"

"Who is Karras, but the Hand of The Builder? What the Builder wills, Karras... does! What the Builder wants, Karras... makes! Praise to Karras! ...And the Builder."

"Stood the Master Builder upon the ground, and he saw that the ground
was good, and clean. No grasses marred his path, nay, not a whisp of vilest weed did spoil his view. Let thy furnace be fueled..."

Strike hot iron and call forth sparks
Strike a man and call forth fury
To shape man or metal to thy will
Thou must strike with force
-Collected Sermons Of Karras

>>390045976
I meant Machiavellian correctly, or at least that is how Dunmer view him. He is not merely prince of plots and backstabbing to the Dunmer, he is the ideal ruler and the path to ultimate wisdom, he is the perfect man that leads by his example and uses tools of trickery and unrightful rule to bring greater good.
Of course they are partially wrong, but it's true to some extent.
And obviously Boethiah is not literally Machiavellian, but as far as comparisons go the way Dunmer view him as a benevolent ruler with tricks up his sleeve is very close to being Machiavellian.

>>390032937
Lol gay

>>390046293
>>390046406
Yes, several other Ada sacrificed themselves to continue Lorkhan's project. But it's still Lorkhan who was its essence. In this context Aedra and Ada are interchangable, no need to list them both.
Whether Lorkhan has almost full control or not is debatable. But universe has its teleological end and whenever it was needed, a hero becomes Lorkhan incarnate to save it. This pattern is at the core of what Mundus and being a Man is. There's no evidence to assume if Mundus kind of broke, it wouldn't be reset by a Kalpa - another part of its design - to try again.
It's debatable if Lorkhan can be stopped.

If by "daedra were rampant when there were no dragonfires" you mean a general peace was still brokered, then yes.

Mundus can't be pulled into Oblivion. I told you why. It's because it never was a part of Oblivion, which Mankar seemingly believes and that's where the error in his work comes from.

>>390046406
>There's a reason why Thalmor need to destroy the very concept of man to break Mundus. It's because Man's essence is that of Lorkhan and Mundus can't end until Lorkhan is healed (what they don't want) or is metaphysically removed (which Thalmor want). Men are also metaphysically a rising force, while Elves are a diminishing one. This shows in the growth of Man heroes and the Empire, while Elves lose old truths and degenerate thru years.
Being bound to an Et'Ada does not mean that it was involuntary, that you are a different being because of that or that you are literally part of said Et'Adas oversoul.
Look at Bosmer and Y'ffre, look at Trinimac and Orsimer, look at Velothi tribes and Boethiah/Azura/Mephala. They willingly bound themselves to an Ada, for all we know hosts of Wandering Ehlnofey could have made a pact with Lorkhans wandering spirit.
What is certain is that relation of Men to Lorkhan is not conclusive and claiming otherwise is just wrong.
>Mundus used to be his Lord's domain
Re-Read commentaries, he does not believe that Mundus belonged to Dagon, he knows it belongs to Lorkhan, on top of that there are allusions to hidden parts of the Kalpa by the Lepper Demon King which Dagon once was.

>>390046807
>Mundus can't be pulled into Oblivion
Again, unless you are willing to dismiss all of ESO as completely non-canon you are absolutely wrong.
Mundus is actively being pulled into Oblivion as the main quest of ESO.

>>390047051
.. and in Oblivion. If you destroy Tamriel's towers and stones while it's in close cosmic proximity to a plane of oblivion, the creatia will be drawn into said plane. This is the objective of most daedric incursions - to pull nirn into the lord's plane for whatever purpose they might want. For Mehrunes Dagon, he wanted to destroy stuff that'd stay destroyed, for Molag Bal, he wanted to rape nirn.

>>390046953
>>390047051
You seem to misunderstand what being a Man entails. We're talking about the evolutionary predispositions. While you may believe various races irl may or may not have different souls, this is non negotiable in Elder Scrolls. Mer and Man are metaphysical opposites. However, if one has a strong enough will, he can ally with the Other. This is shown by elves being able to become Lorkhanic heroes in games. When we're talking about such a reversal, in the metaphysical context (we're discussing right now), that mer becomes a Man. It's also why Dunmer are not really considered Mer by Thalmor.
So yes, it's conclusive. You just don't know what it means.

Shit, you got me. I had a brain fart. Mankar believed Mundus was a DAEDRIC REALM of Lorkhan. Well, since Mundus was not a daedric realm, nor a part of Oblivion, my point is literally unchanged.

>unless you are willing to dismiss all of ESO
AHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry mate, you lost all credibility. Keep ESO out of Elder Scrolls discussion. Actually, I'm not sure I want to speak even a word with you after you actually pulled ESO into it as anything but a showcase of what is definitely not true.

>>390046018
For context, every between-level cutscenes in Thief starts with an excerpt of text from the writings of one of the major factions. This one is displayed at the start of the cutscene just after you are betrayed, mutilated, and left to die by someone you thought was on your side, unleashing a world-threatening danger in the process. I always found it rather comforting that they show this passage right when all hope seems lost.

I LOVE the religions in Thief, they have enough development that their writings and beliefs feel like things someone in universe would logically believe and want to follow. All the metaphors about building, forging, creating, and so on fit beautifully, especially because they oppose both the nature-based Chaos of the Pagans, AND the "steals instead of making things himself" protaganist.

>>390044214
Looks like veruca james

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>>390032851
Oh lady Gwynevere! Bask me in your warmth and radiance! Hold me forever in your bosom! For I am a loyal servant and will forever praise thee!

>>390047332
>>390047051
Addendum:
To repeat myself because you still don't seem to undertstand: "A daedra killed in Mundus would still have to go back to Oblivion to reform itself. Therefore it's still bound to Oblivion and not Mundus. It wouldn't be able to reform itself in Mundus, because, metaphysically, Mundus is a separate essence."

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>>390032851
Dibella, look at those tits.

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>Pledging yourself to a god
>When you could master the arcane arts and become a god yourself

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gork and mork

Where are all the skyrim clones?

>>390047495
Was Talos even a wizard?

If I can be a guardian I'd kick it with the traveler, being functionally immortal with super powers sounds pretty neat.

>>390047332
Prove it, mortal souls are referred to as mortal souls by all higher beings without any distinction between them. Only difference seems to be in the size of a Magicka holding Animus of ones soul which can be grown anyway through training and study of magic.
>So yes, it's conclusive. You just don't know what it means.
Prove it. I am familiar with everything you are saying, I am also familiar with the fact that it is absolutely inconclusive in the games. You will not be able to find a single ingame event, or an actual study from books that showcases differences between Mer and Men souls, the best you will get is Aldmer propaganda and myths.
>Well, since Mundus was not a daedric realm, nor a part of Oblivion, my point is literally unchanged.
And he is not wrong, once again. Despite the fact that Mundus is a very uniquely constructed plane that has several layers of protection, it's sphere is not located in Aetherius...it's fucking surrounded by Oblivion with Aetherial energy seeping in only through the holes left by Magna-Ge. Creatia in Mundus is unique since it holds both Anuic and Padomaic essence and influences, but Mundus is not an endless vast like Aetherius or Oblivion, it's ultimately still a plane...one that is placed as the center figure of the Wheel itself but still.
>Sorry mate, you lost all credibility. Keep ESO out of Elder Scrolls discussion. Actually, I'm not sure I want to speak even a word with you after you actually pulled ESO into it as anything but a showcase of what is definitely not true.
I know a lot more about ESO lore errors and retardation that it has caused than any regular joe that screams "BAAAW MUH ARGONIANS AND DUNMER", in fact I've shitposted with legitemate lore rapes in all sorts of ESO threads for years now. This does not change the fact that ESO is absolutely canon, believing otherwise is delusional.
You have to realize that TES despite it's great lore is not an independent piece of fiction, it's a corporate product.

>>390046450
Yes, indeed! As in the Precepts, "And the Trickster with his venomous minions, hordes too numerous to name; but worst is the human helpers of the Chaotic One, for they alone have the choice... And they have chosen oh so poorly."

Strike true, brother! That the heretics may see how the unshaped stone will be cast aside as worthless!

Blessed am I, Builder, that I mayst do the work Thou chooseth me to do. Blessed is the nail that Thou askst me to strike, and blessed is the heathen when he receiveth the grace of my hammer...

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>>390048093
>ESO is absolutely canon

>>390047412
>A daedra killed in Mundus would still have to go back to Oblivion to reform itself. Therefore it's still bound to Oblivion and not Mundus. It wouldn't be able to reform itself in Mundus, because, metaphysically, Mundus is a separate essence.
Which, once again, is true. When a Daedric morphotype is broken it's vestige returns to the waters of Oblivion to be reformed out of Azure Plasm.
This does not change the fact that DEMONSTRABLY essence from Mundus that has been in contact with Oblivion for long enough becomes similar in nature, this has been showcased multiple times but the most severe one was Durnehviir, an Aedric, a fucking Dragon that also can reform his body out of waters of Oblivion and can not cross back to Mundus anymore simply because he spent too much time in Soul Cairn and is not bound to it and Ideal Masters. It is not at all impossible to corrupt Mundus in a similar matter if a fucking Dragon could be made that way.

>>390047807
Tiber had one of the greatest wizards of all time at his side. If you believe Talos to be a triumvirate deity composed of three people, than yes, Talos was a god tier wizard.

>>390048309
Ideal Masters drain your soul, though. That's why he's bound there. They're an exception because lol mysterious non-daedric realm. It's not because you become Oblivion-ish by spending time there.

>>390048245
Something is canon regardless of you liking it or not. Just like Morrowind is canon regardless of Ken Rolston being a fucking grognard old fart who hates anything that isn't DnD fantasy, and just like Shadowkey and Battlespire and other various strange past projects made under TES brand are canon.
If a fucking mobile game made by a third party dev is canon, a fucking huge budget MMO made by a retarded sister company is 100% canon, believing otherwise is denial.

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>>390048527
>>>/r/teslore
Go circlejerk about how Vivec is a XE with them and how ESO CHIM'd your C0DA. I'm not talking to you or your wife's son again.

Proptip: around here we discuss Elder Scrolls lore because we like it. This means Morrowind and supplemental lore such as some Skyrim and out of game stuff. ESO is not fun and good luck finding anyone to talk with about it around here. Not back where you came from.

>>390048450
Watch a video where the quest is completed and listen to him, he directly states that the reason why he can not leave is because he was tasked to guard Seranas mom until she died, but Ideal Masters did not tell him that she is a vampire, thus immortal.
After spending enough time in Oblivion he can not return anymore, there was nothing about Ideal Masters or their contract that forced him to give away his soul nor could they fuck with a Dragons soul. He is trapped there because Mundus sees him as a Daedric entity from Oblivion and same laws of banishment apply to him.

>>390038289
That's the canon NieR.

>>390048786
Ok, fair enough, I respect that.
Sadly we can not argue anymore because our definitions of lore vary wildly from each other, but it was fun while it lasted, I have to do university shit anyway.

>>390038828
MERIDIA FEEEEET

I'd go for the Traveler, immortality isn't anything to sneeze at.

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Adanos

>>390032851
>>390033082
>>390032937
here's "that" thread where Miridia's beacon became best Elder Scrolls girl
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/386968937/#386973294l

>>390040315
Cant believe nobodys tried to a do a Saunguines Realms adult mod on LL.