This had the best soundtrack of 2016. Agreed?

Is Nu-Doom guy black?

>>389993353
No.
Technically, he's not defined, but if you rip the model and look at it, he's white.

>>389993534
You also clearly see his white skin in the intro

>>389993534
You see his skin tone in literally the first scene.

>>389993353
Hes supposed to be the original doomguy that has been hunting demons for eons now after deciding to stay in hell

>generic metal trash
>good

>>389993875
It's not though.

>>389993875
Metal babies everyone.

>>389993951

It is though.

>>389993875
Name a better OST from a game recently

>>389993951
>>389993970
>>389994043
Triggered middle schoolers detected

>>389993239
Nah, I would argue doom and furi are tied for first place

>>389994043

Yakuza 6

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>>389993239
no
>>389994043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2OCRmxVAY
Furi's OST was also a lot better

>>389994154

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mAGB1PtMtc

>>389994475
Holy shit this looks boring. Do people seriously buy this just for the cutscenes?

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>>389994584

>>389993875
/thread

white people have shit taste in music

>>389994136
I'm 25 but okay senpai.

>>389993239
The trailer for this game did

>>389994678
>nigga nigga fucked yo bitch weed pussy club nigga nigga stacks money Bugatti nigga

>>389994678
Name a better genre then.

>>389994678
>non white opinions
>ever mattering
l0l

>>389994864
Anime OSTs.

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>>389994827
>if youre not white youre black

>>389994864

acidic progression future jazz

>>389994916

white people are nothing built guilt in 2017+

>>389994864
Fully modeled ferncore

Nier:automata[/spoiler

can I pirate this game yet

>>389994925
>ski fuki won tong
>madre put guacamole

>>389995041
>two steps from hell bootleg: the ost

>>389994925
Yeah?
>>389995086
Yes but the download is massive.

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>>389994475

OH SHIT

persona 5

>>389995179
>63GB

lol

>>389995006
EY FREEMAN

>>389994918
Found the virgin.

>>389993239
yes, but newfags will say its shit

>>389995303
BADDA BOOM, ASHES

>>389993239
I don't really like metal, but D44Ms soundtrack was so spot on I make an exception for it.

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>>389993353
no

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>>389993875

HONESTLY what is it with white boiz and shitty metal music

>>389995390
Blacks can't into dexterity

>>389993875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2445mpK8kQ
literaly the best genre of music for OST's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Z96WwZrL0
You can not refute this.

>>389995337
Why would I need to have sex when I have a harem of body pillows?

>>389993239
Agreed.

>Painstakingly made
>thematic elements present throughout
>smart addition of Easter eggs and callbacks to the original doom
>deliberate design to be a song, ambience, and an OST using TECHNOLOGY
>on top of it, a great example of industrial metal with electronic aspects

>>389993239

It was good, but not the best.

Rabi-ribi is goty 2016 and has the best soundtrack
Doom is just shit all round

>>389994154

how do the soundtracks keep getting better

it's insane

Dark Souls III had a 10x better soundtrack. Holy fuck the DOOM soundtrack is so overrated.

>falling for the dubstep meme in 2016

no it's shit

>>389996129

its just metal kiddies

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>>389996035
>being a weeaboo

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>>389993239
Fuck no.
>>389994043
Pic related, Hollow Knight, Persona 5, etc.

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>>389996367
>Pic related

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>>389994221
>Dragonslayer Armour
The presentation of this boss fight is the reason why it's one of my favourites in the game, especially considering it's a character that's insignificant to the rest of the plot.

>>389994154

yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuqPiPdxslk

>>389996619
You seriously think pre-teen wubs are better than a fantastic, diverse Final Fantasy soundtrack?

Mick Gordon dropped the ball and he dropped it hard. Not a single track was memorable, and just sounded like droning background noise rather than a defined song.

>>389996789
>diverse

It's generic as fuck as far as typical RPG trope tunes go.

Only good track in the car modification music.

>>389993239
yes

>>389997260
There's Latin American music, rock music, hip hop, classical music, it's very diverse

>>389997346

And it's all generic shit.

She should stick to KH.

>>389993239
no

>>389997424
How is it generic?
What does it sound like?
What is it copying?

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>>389997514

All your questions can be answered here >>389997346

>>389997603
Well Doom's sounds like angsty nu-metal so that's still far worse kid, lol

>>389997737
>haha better call him a kid so it makes any aspect of final faggotry 15 sound good

>>389997946
I mean seriously if you think Doom's edgy dub/metal wank is better then you're legitimately immature or an actual teenager

>>389998034

They're both shit.

>>389993239
I don't know if I'd say the best, but the process behind its creation is pretty fascinating.
https://youtu.be/U4FNBMZsqrY
note: not for ADD children who can't sit through an hour of occasional sound engineer technical speak

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>>389998274

>hour long pretentiousness over metal and wub

>>389998274

Not wanting to watch a nu-male explain his garbage music process does not mean one has ADD.

Yeah easily. No other game in recent memory perfectly captured the feeling of the game as much as DOOM's OST did. Honestly one of my favorite experiences in any game ever was in Titans Realm in one of the giant arenas and 4:00 of linked music played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJT0Xh5ZrOg

>>389998778
>one of the giant arenas
so which one of the 20 levels?

>>389998462
>>389998653
>I refuse to inform myself, I find comfort in my ignorance!
I forgot what being a child was like.

>>389993239
There's a really good talk by the guy that did the music for doom where he goes into the details like the publisher didn't want him using guitars but he started sneaking them in until they liked it, he also hid a bunch of evil devil imagery into a bunch of the songs as a joke.

I'm phone posting so I can't find the link but look it up its good shit.

>>389998778

sound like noise - not music

>>389998274

I agree, the music is meh, but this clip is fascinating.

>>389998896
I literally said the level, it was Titans Realm

>>389999053
>sound like noise - not music
Elaborate

>>389999132

It sounds like messy noise, not actual music.

>>389999019
already posted here >>389998274

>>389999214
Well, yeah. That was the point. It's hell music.

>>389993239
I didn't like it, it felt like a bunch of noise to me, Witcher 3 had a mindblowing soundtrack but it's from 2015

>>389999132
you missed the point, my guy
every level is a giant arena that locks you in until they're all dead

>>389999373

>shit music

FTFY

>>389999214
>It sounds like messy noise, not actual music
Again, elaborate. I can say this about fucking any song.

>>389999446

No you can't and you know exactly what I mean.

>>389999426
Ebin

>>389999493
>No you can't and you know exactly what I mean.
Yes I can, why don't you specifically point to what in the song makes it sound like "messy noise" instead of music?

>>389999426
quality argument

>>389999373

>haha if I just mash a bunch of noises together it sounds liek hell XD

>>389999791
Explain what process you'd use to accomplish a better effect that hasn't been done to the point of being generic.

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>>389997579
This desu

>>389999892

I'd at least try to make it sound listenable.

Stop responding to the obvious bait, retards.

>>389999019
>he mixed the guitar with the chainsaw noise from the original Doom
It's the little things.

>>390000110
Once more with less vagueness.

>>390000153
I genuinely don't think there's any bait here, just genuine retards who can't comprehend a soundtrack being made for a specific tone.

>>389999610
Not him, but i guess it's a matter of taste, then again i started listening to music 3 years ago so i don't know shit about it, but for example i'm listening Orion from metallica right now (one of my favourite songs) and it seems complex as hell with a lot of variety and changes etc, the Doom soundtrack for me feels like this same raspy guitar sound all the time with some effects behind

>>390000526
>metallica

this thread in a nutshell

>>389995041
came out this year

>>389993353
WE

>>390000526
You should watch the GDC talk mick gordon did about creating the soundtrack. Far more went into it than "raspy guitar and effects".

>>389998274
>I don't know if I'd say the best, but the process behind its creation is pretty fascinating.

Agree 100%

>>390000714
WUZ

>>390000714
>>390000873

Shut the fuck up.

>>390000758
doesn't matter what went into it the result is simplistic sounding shitty djent that only appeals the kids who can't appriciate real metal (/v/)

>>390000714
>>390000873
>>390001031
DEMON SLAYERS N SHIEEEETTTTTTT

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>>390001063
nice one

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>>390001063
>real metal

>>390000758
will do, maybe i can learn something

>>389998274

Sad that the result of all this was pretty shit.

>>389993875
>implying all metal is like this
>implying it isn't a really umbrella term for alot of music that'd include quite a few bands that people just say are rock, like Deep Purple
ok.

>>389993875
>metal
>not a single guitar
>or any real instrument
>its all done with sinths and reverbs and a DJ is behind the soundtrack

ok

>>389995041
Just did, took me a day to download all the 60+GB
game is easy to crack
Go for it anon, its quite fun

>>390001536
I disagree, think it achieved what it was designed to pretty well. It's a soundtrack to kill demons to, not a comprehensive symphonic metal album.

>>389997737
>nu metal
Nigga what? If you're gunna shit on an OST that's fine but don't make shit up.

>>389993239
By itself, it would mostly appeal to metal heads. However, the way it fit with the game play was unmatched.

>>390000000

>>390001557
I mean there were guitars but I agree

It's not the "best" when you look at the whole soundtrack, only about 5 are good, but they are fucking amazing. Really fits the gameplay, which I can't say for a lot of games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJT0Xh5ZrOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6BbvCC0VI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkQMtZAMAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhIS4FdS7co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRkA1xYBZBQ
Mick's done a lot better. Look at the Prey or Killer Instinct soundtrack

>>390001819
the pitch the dude got to make the OST said in bold letters in the first paragraphy NO GUITARS
its all synths pretending to be guitars

>>389997737
Do you even know what angst means? Do you even know what nu-metal is? Have you ever said anything that wasn't just a regurgitation of words and phrases you've heard other people say?
Of course not, this is the spirit of /v/.

Open GL or Vulcan?
what should I use?

>>390001913
Finish watching the video m8, not just the first ten minutes.

>>390001910
>That first time BFG Divison play
>you think there is no music as you guns drown out the OST
>THAT BEAT DROP AS YOU BLOW UP SOME DEMONS

>>390001556
>>390001557

>asshurt metal babies

>>389993239
the DooM 4 soundtrack was cool but had a horrible tendency to "stop and start" constantly.

There are a lot of drawn out downtime periods where there's not really a tune going on. When the actual tune starts then it's great, but a lot of it is just noises.

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>>390001063
>Real Metal
Now tell me, are you sucking the dick of NWOBHM, Thrash Metal, or Death Metal? Either way, you're a fag for thinking "I don't like this metal, so it's not -real- metal" in an attempt to validate your taste in music like you're still in middle school.

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This has the best soundtrack of 2017. Followed closely by Sonic Mania.

Any questions?

>>390002232
yes
are you done posting yet

>>389993239
>dubstep for the numale millennial audience

no. it has a good energy to it and fits the game reasonably well (still prefer the original doom's metal to this nu shit) but it's not "good" by any means.

>>390002285

this

>>390002160
no I'm not that eltist, dooms soundtrack just sounds like shallow trash, even nu-metal has more depth

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>>390002285
Submitting a post is a second long process and was already over by the time you commented

>>390002304
you have no idea what dubstep is, and that isn't a matter of pride if you insist on labelling things with it

>>390001913
He does use guitars anyway, which you would know if you actually watched it

>>390002640
you still got shit taste in music kid

>>390002591
you asked if there were any questions and I had one you sassy devil

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>>389993875
>>389994003
>>389995736
>>389996235
>>389997737
>>389998034
>>389998462
>>390000526
>>390001063
>>390001557
>>390002332
>>>metal
half the songs in the game don't even have guitar, the only tracks you've probably heard are Rip and Tear and BFG Division
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwY6kIncUtM
tell me this is fuckin metal

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>>390002730
I answered you anon

>>390002782

That's metal as fuck.

>>390002725
for thinking an album was tonally appropriate for the game it was produced for? what would you have done instead

>>390002332
Whether the soundtrack is shallow or not in its execution seems hardly relevant when good songs can be simple (see: Living After Midnight or Breaking The Law). I can agree that on listening to it separate from the game that it's not stellar on the whole by any means, but I don't think that was the intent. In the context of the game I personally think it suits it really well, being aggressive to match the tone of the game. Would I of preferred something more thrash oriented, or maybe something like early death metal albums like Scream Bloody Gore? Yeah, that would been fucking awesome, but it may of not had as well of a flow to the game that its soundtrack admittedly has.

>>390002782
while I agree this doesn't deserve to be called metal and it sounds like random electronic fart noises the music genre it's closest to is probably industrial metal

>>390002795
and I see your answer was "no"

>>389999610
>>389999446
>>389999132
Not him but DooM 4's soundtrack is often very "noisey", which is to say that a lot of it has no particular tune to follow.

Flesh & Metal is especially guilty of these. After about 30 second in it always tries to shy away from that main theme and there's a lot of stopping and starting and mechanical beeping noises. There's nothing you can really follow.

The other songs are better for this but in between the main theme parts there are usually down periods of stopping and starting. It works great for the game but it's not that nice to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhIS4FdS7co

>>389993239
if i dont even recall it im pretty sure it was some generic shit

>>390002782
It is. That would certainly be a metal riff on a normal guitar, no doubt about it.

>>390002879
its not shallow because its simple, its shallow because it's completely style over substance

>>390003005
Well I couldn't exactly tell you if the answer was yes.

>>390003104
I would have been more content that way

>>390003102
>style over substance
>in a song
Songs are literally all style. That phrase is completely meaningless in this context.

Just say you thought it sounded bad and be done.

Is there actually any musicians that have similar music to D44M? Tried Messhugah after they said it was similar but I found it bad.

Show some respect, pleb.

https://youtu.be/U4FNBMZsqrY

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>>390002853
reeee

>>390002973
and it totally fit the fuckin game

>>390003027
except that song was made by feeding a simple sine wave into an array of distortion and feedback equipment, some 40+ years old

>>390003102
How is it style over substance? If there's a melody in the song, there's substance there. I don't ask that in a hostile manner either, but if a song is a song, isn't it substance?

>>390003102
Of course it is, it's trying to set a tone for the action in a video game. It's not trying to win the shortlist award. You made a resoundingly hollow statement.

>>390003239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WQOGVLLGw

>>390003258
You can try Mick Gordon's other stuff I guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxnPM-1CBLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JapDyUwAu8

>>390003239
>Songs are literally all style. That phrase is completely meaningless in this context.
wrong
I'm not an expert on music so I dont know the correct terms to use but the composition of the doom 4 soundtrack is incredibly simple and only sounds cool because it's raw and distorted and electronic and brutal
Like if you convert an actual decent song to midi and use shitty instruments it still sounds good and memorable (like the songs they ripped off for the original doom soundtrack)
doom 4s soundtrack would be trash in midi

>>390003270
I think how a riff is made is irrelevant to whether it could be a metal riff or not. For example, there's songs in Mega Man that are absolutely good riffs and could easily be metal. I know this example is from a fan game, but the point is even though these aren't even instruments playing, that you could make a metal riff outside of the normal line up of instruments. I bet if someone took this song and put it through some of the same processes that Doom 4's soundtrack went through, it would still be a nice metal riff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwqPJcIcpOE

>>390003323
its a shit melody, that's my point

>>390003352
there's action games with amazing soundtracks, that's no excuse

>>390003701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOE9fE72QLg
so this is still metal to you

>>390003787
Then just say it's a bad melody. It's still substance, even if it's not of high or even average quality.

>>390003679
and my bloody valentine would be garbage played on the harpischord
make statements that actually mean something and stop treating a game that was meant to be paired with dynamic on-screen events like it's a standalone album that represents itself and nothing more

>>390002782

I knew what this was going to be before I even opened it. While I agree with you, the moment this starts playing is fucking awesome and it being in the game does not bother me in the slightest.

D44M really gets the blood pumping, I love it. New Quake does a good job of doing it too via multiplayer.

>>389995168
>People actually believe this
Nice bait

>>390003859
>It's still substance, even if it's not of high or even average quality.
that's a dumb thing to say. the substance is shit, which is why i said 'style over substance'. it's all about the brutal electronic sound while the composition of the songs is shit

laughing at all these tards who are going full autismo over a fucking video game soundtrack. nigger not ever video game ost needs to be a fucking full blown complex orchestra, DOOM's soundtrack is simple and sounds good. Even more important is how much it fits the game which should be what matters over anything else. Whenever I hear any song from the soundtrack all I can visualize is ripping demons heads off and that's a good thing.

>>390003974
Nier's soundtrack legitimately sounds like the generic garbage you'd hear in the backround of a Dragon Age or Mass Effect trailer

>>390003865
>make statements that actually mean something and stop treating a game that was meant to be paired with dynamic on-screen events like it's a standalone album that represents itself and nothing more
not an excuse. tons of games have great soundtracks which sound good as music, like Megaman which another guy mentioned

>>390003701
>>390003850
It's like all those videos on the internet of like "pokemon meets metal!" or whatever

If you play any tune with an angry enough guitar then it's probably metal
https://youtu.be/NG-_CJzD1Lc
The opening is metal enough as it

I would guess that DooM 4's weird distorted metallic noises would probably put it down as "industrial" but it really comes down to your definition of "metal". People always have to define their terms whenever they have an argument like this. You get so many people saying "this is metal" or "this is not metal" but nobody knows what metal -is-

>>390004073
Yet "Complex" OSTs are good though.

>>390003850
Well some of the composition is changed there, it's not the same notation. By changing the notation, if anything, it brings out more of the funk inspiration that Rage Against The Machine has. So maybe in this case, it's not particularly metal, since some changes have been made to it, even if the overall progression is the same.

>>390004237
Simple OST's are as well. As long as the music sounds good while playing the game it's great. DOOM's was great in that regard. It's also really good workout music.

>>390004162
Then you must near better hearing because Neir A sounds nothing like Mass effect, and Dragons Dogama

>>390004169
How does other soundtracks standing on their own as music in any way diminish how appropriate the Doom OST is for the content of the game?

>>389995041
I found the original nier's soundtrack to get -really- grating after a while.
It's nice at first but god, it gets so annoying when you have to listen to it for so long.

>>389993239
That literally depends entirely on how old you are.

>>390004394
it doesnt, but if you want to talk about 'great soundtracks' i think you should go above and beyond simply being approprirate for the game

>>390004213
Especially considering the original definition included this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAqTrbuxCRI

>>390004350
>muh soft female vocals with generic orchestra played in the backround
There you go, every soundtrack in Nier

>>390004162
Neir
https://youtu.be/VJ_aT4T89aU
DD
https://youtu.be/2rUqSGzHiPU
Mass effect
https://youtu.be/trcTZ2fmeCM
They really don't

>>390003258

Periphery, though a majority of it is hit or miss especially with their vocalist for me.
You can also check out Tesseract, the Contortionist, Veil of Maya, or Born of Osiris for that djenty type of feel

>>390004524
Who says it doesn't sound good outside the game? It's just very in theme with the gameplay, therefore it really isn't the type of shit you'd play while sitting on a bus or on your bed. I'd play it in a game of football or when I'm working out.

>>390004529
Thanks for for proving my point dumbass, no seriously you need better hearing

>>390004213
What metal is can be hard to define sometimes, since it's really vague. When someone is talking about metal, they could be talking about anything from NWOBHM, to Hair Metal, to Progressive Rock that has a bit of an edge to it, to Black Metal. I suppose you gotta be really specific when you say something is metal. For example, if I was being specific with the Mega Man track I posted, I'd say its definitely a thrash metal riff.

>>390004524
I disagree. The composition in the broad scope involves factoring in what it was produced for. Doom's OST fits the content of the game perfectly, which makes it a great soundtrack. Classifying it as great in its own right as a standalone album is an entirely different matter and arguably wholly subjective depending on your personal tastes.

>>390004645
Dude I clicked through that whole soundtrack you linked and literally every time I stopped all I heard was exactly what I described. It's fucking boring as shit and honestly sounds like something that TSfH shat out

>>390004747
Nice bait

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>>390004690
>arguably wholly subjective depending on your personal tastes
Good luck with that on /v/.
When's the last time you've heard someone say that they "don't like" a game? When is the last time someone said the "thought" a game was fun?
It's always "This game is Shit.", or "This game is good".

>>390004690
>personal tastes so you can't judge
that's a fallacy, it's entirely possible to criticize music with at least some degree of objectivity. I say it's style over substance crap and people say it doesn't matter because it's just a soundtrack bro. You can enjoy it sure, but I don't think it compares to really good soundtracks, like something out of megaman or castlevania where people actually take the songs, play them on new instruments in new styles and they still sound great because the song itself is good

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>>390004914
Blow it out your ass

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>>389996367
>>390003026
>>389993875
>>389994003
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>>389998653
>>389999053
>>389999214
>>389999426
>>390001063

>>390005108
>it's entirely possible to criticize music with at least some degree of objectivity
And there it is.
If you're going to employ that argument, state the measure of objectivity you're going by or admit that you're going entirely on personal taste.

>>389994043
BBCF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhFTGvZddyo

>>390005124
Hes Still wrong though they sound nothing alike
BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS

>>389993239
Wub wub screeeeech heavy guitar riff wub wub screeech the best ever. Jared Leto - 2017

>>390005108
It's more so that the tune is catchy, and back in the day, when you only had like 3 sound channels, the tune was all you had

DooM 4 relies mostly on interesting sounds over tunes, I guess. You can't really do anything with that.

>>390005616
>DooM 4 relies mostly on interesting sounds over tunes, I guess
thats kind of my point. and there's plenty of awful NES music and plenty of great music with a complex sound. I dont even think the sound of Doom 4 is that great, its lazy djent guitar riffs

>>390005108
If your argument is that d44m's soundtrack can only exist in the form it was originally made, I fail to see how that's a bad thing at all.

>>390005108
Dude, Megaman and Castelvania are over 20 years old.

>>390005850
I guess. I thought the lazy djent riffs were by far the best parts. Things like the BFG drop, where it's really intense

I didn't like the parts (in flesh n metal especially) that was just Stopping and Starting, like it was constantly teasing us with the idea of an actual riff but always cutting it at the last second

>>390005982
I'm just using it as an example of how the composition of the music is really shallow

>>390006260
Do you have some kind of background in music theory to back that up?

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Okay dumbtards, anyone who's saying the soundtrack is shitty should consider the fact it was SUPPOSED to be Industrial Metal with a touch of Drone genre. OST of Doom 2016 is rolling around this concept. I can't imagine running and ripping demons asses into a bloody pulp with a k-pop in my headphones.

Mick Gordon could pick Thrash Metal but it would not blend with a rhytm of gameplay at all (simply too fast), more orchestral style would be epic but too pretentious for style of gameplay and would result in some random generic shit, rock and hard rock would be simply "not enough", Rap... don't start with it niggas - maybe he had chains on his bed but doomslayer has no golden necklance on neck and not a dime in his pouch. Pop is poop.

Imo Mick Gordon did his best to deliver solid OST of 2016.

>>390005982
>>390006354
Imagine D44M music not through electronic effects or electric guitars but instead through recorders. Plastic recorders.

You could hear something like FFIV's Theme of Love on recorder and it would retain all its sentimentality. You could even hear One Winged Angel on recorder and it would retain its power.

But not any of the wub music. It's all flash, no substance.

>>390006456
You could totally do a Metal soundtrack like the classic Doom soundtrack.

Why wouldn't this have worked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXi-sydxtVQ

>>390006354
you dont need a 'background in music theory' to know when a riff sounds boring and generic you bilthering idiot

>>390006656
So your definition of good music is that it has a memorable tune?

>>390006656
Because those soundtracks are specific themes for key moments in games focused around a story. They represent something more than just music behind the gameplay.

>>390006739
>>390006791
My definition of good music is that it can exist in more than one context, that it legitimately has multiple meanings. If a work doesn't have multiple meanings, and is restricted to one usage, then it isn't art and becomes just a product with a single use.

>>390006710
jeez
that music has got to be an... acquired taste

>>390006710
Because that doesn't sound like something I'd rip a demons head off to.

Your delving into the depths of hell to rip demons apart with shotguns and your bare hands.
DOOM is the cheesiest fucking concept in all of video games. If they didn't ham it up with the music it was never going to work

>>390006724
Unless you have the awareness of the objective theory behind composure and technicality, you're just stating your opinion.

>>390006887
I don't think it's amazing (definitely technically incredible but unaffecting generally) but it's definitely better than D44M's soundtrack.
>>390006917
>If they didn't ham it up with the music it was never going to work
They didn't do that in D44M though.

>>390006849
Well in that case we have different definitions of "good music", but can at least accept the same facts.

No real point in arguing now.

>>390006960
What's your definition of good music? It can't be very nuanced if you think D44M's soundtrack is anything more than soulless dub without artistry.

>>390006849
And DOOM's soundtrack had a very good use. It amped up the gameplay a shit ton. Sometimes I'll replay DOOM just for the Hell levels where Titans Realm plays because the chorus moments are fucking amazing and even better when I'm running around decapitating demons.

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>>390006456
Jokes on you, I listen to shitty asian pop music all the time while playing the real Doom games

>>390006932
you're arguing on the level of a 12 year old. Music theory helps you understand how to create good sounding music, but music theory does not equal good music. It's an intutive understanding, but it's not subjective or personal taste either, it's something that can be analyzed and discussed with people who understand it, which you don't seem to

>>390007085
patrician taste

>>389993239
>D44M
>good music
kek
It's actually sad though since I really liked Mick's work on KI. Really disappointed with D44M's ost.

>>390007079
But as I said, it isn't good music. It doesn't succeed on its own and fulfills only one use. It therefore ceases to be art - meaning an interpretive form based on abstract meaning - and instead becomes just a piece of soulless design and calculated maneuvering.

>>390007095
No. If you're going to claim you're making an objective criticism of the music's composition, you require knowledge of the objective measure for that, which is music theory. If you don't have that knowledge, your intuitive understanding is based entirely on subjective personal taste. You don't claim that objective statements can be made about music just to cover your subjective thoughts on it.

>>390007003
Personally I don't really like it that much. I think it does what it does rather well but has too much stopping/starting to be something that I'd really like to listen to.
I appreciated the intensity.

Whatever my definition of good music is, I don't think it really needs to be all that nuanced.

>>390007217
God fuck off with your "what is art" not everything has to have some message about the human condition.

>>390007217
You're acting as if people don't listen to the OST outside of the game. It's a very specific feeling the songs envoke which is anger. As I stated earlier it's not something I'd like to listen to while I'm sitting in a car or taking a walk. But something I'd put on if I'm going to do some heavy lifting, it's good hype music.

>>390007217
>just a piece of soulless design and calculated maneuvering
nothing wrong with that

>>390007341
>>390007391
It has only one purpose and is a product for that one type of use. It is not good art.
>>390007431
If you're a dumb STEM major maybe.

>>390007452
>It has only one purpose and is a product for that one type of use. It is not good art.
Who the fuck are you to say that? I didn't you just became the person who gets to decide whats art and what's not. Get your head out of your ass you pretentious dick. I listen to the soundtrack when I workout out, therefore it has more than one use.

>>390007391
Except it's not good hype music. It's like a teen's attempt to make a "badass" song. If I wanted to get hyped up I'd rather pop on Painkiller or some power metal. Because almost anything in the latter is more hype than the D44M OST.

>>390007452
We weren't talking about if it's good "art" or not, we're talking about if it's good music.

>>390007323
I do have knowledge of music theory and I know that music theory isn't that relevant most of the time when you're criticizing music. You're making the idiot STEM mistake of assuming everything that can't be objectively measured must be completely subjective and a matter of personal opinion.

>>390007549
Listening to it in the background of intense activity is the same use both working out and playing D44M.
>>390007574
Music is art.
D44M soundtrack is sound design.

>>390007563
no it isn't

>>390007665
Yes, it is.

>>390007616
>D44M soundtrack is sound design.
Again who the fuck are you to decide this? It's fucking music, you don't like it whatever. That doesn't mean it's not fucking music. I fucking hate rap but guess what, it's still fucking music.

>>390007616
Okay then. If we're using that definition, then DooM 4's soundtrack is excellent sound design.

>>390007703
It's music to a sector of the population who doesn't know or care about art, art history, art aesthetics, etc.
That sector of the population is irrelevant to how art actually is.
>>390007745
Sure, absolutely agree there. No disagreement, the sound design in it is among the best of all-time. We can agree on that.

>>390007589
You are claiming that there are objective problems with the composition. Composition is applied musical theory. That's the bottom line. If you're going to criticize the composition, display some of this knowledge you claim to have.
If the evidence you have against it lies outside the realm of music theory, provide some of that instead of regurgitating various rewordings of "this is how I feel about it", or just nut up and admit you have very strong opinions and nothing more.

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>>390007085
HOW FAR THE CENSORSHIP IN JAPAN CAN GO?

>>390007852
It's the big problem with so many of these arguments. Everyone can clearly accept the same facts but they're still arguing because they always have different definitions.
You've always got to define your terms

>>390007852
>It's music to a sector of the population who doesn't know or care about art, art history, art aesthetics, etc.
>That sector of the population is irrelevant to how art actually is.
>if you don't share the same exact specific definition of what art is than you are irrelevant

>>389998653
Do you even know what a nu-male is or are you just using it as a catch-all descriptor for "person I don't like"?

>>390007983
I mean if you know art history from the Medieval era through the 20th Century and through to today, then by all means demonstrate it with your understanding of how art is created and received in society. Otherwise it's pretty clear this conversation is one-sided and just a person who knows what they're talking about vs. some teenagers who are mad their favorite game doesn't have good music, if its even music at all and not just impeccable sound design.

>>390007616
>Music is art.
Doom's soundtrack is music. It employs chromatic scale, keys and time signatures. It just happens to also be sound design within the scope of the game too.

>>389993239
No. It's just generic buttrock

I know you guys didn't grow up in the 90s and 2000s with music that uses overdriven guitars but it really isnt special

Holy shit I just realized how eminently pussified younger people are because they grew up with fucking kings of leon and shit instead of metal LOL

>>390007854
>Composition is applied musical theory. That's the bottom line
lol no it's not
only a little bit
stop applying your STEM values to everything in the world
if composition was just 'applied music theory' we'd just make computers that come up with songs and be done with it
intutive understanding doesn't necessarily mean it's just your opinion

>>390008151
I don't know if I would call emo music much better.

>>389993875
>this fucking garbage
>metal

get the fuck out cunt

this shit is wub wub levels of retarded, anyone who likes this shit is deaf

>>389993239
I'd say that, I am Setsuna and Hyper Light Drifter are all good contenders.

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>>389993353
>>389993534
Pic from back of his face texture

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>tfw playing at 1440p and 60 FPS
should've tried it on my 4K monitor but oh well

>>390008253
>I don't know if I would call emo music much better.
We aren't talking about alt rock here.

>>390008146
In No Country for Old Men, there is pretty much no soundtrack. Every once in a while (such as here: https://youtu.be/3B_rRmkbA9I?t=75) you'll hear a quiet sustained tone to add drama to a scene.

Is that music? No, it's sound design. It's using sound for a very specific purpose in the context of another work.

>>390004747
>clicked through
This is not how you listen to music.

>>390008386
DooM's soundtrack is very obviously music by almost anyone's definition of the word. Maybe it isn't art (by your definition) but it's still music.

If your definition of music is music that you like then you could say that it's not music, but it's very obviously music to anyone else. Saying that it's not is just splitting hairs really. You're just messing with definitions to needlessly complicate things.

>>390008787
>>390008787
Already said my definition of music is where the compositions are interpretive and have multiple meanings.

honest question...

how do you get better at PVP in doom?
I'm so bad at aiming, I've been playing MMOs and RTS for years, never was much of a FPS player but doom has brought my interest in the genre.

However, I get constantly fucked up in multiplayer.

Mostly, it's because I'm shitty at positioning and aiming. I do make sure to collect all armor shards and whatnot...

>>390008252
Holy fuck, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are saying nothing of significance and haven't conveyed that you have the slightest understanding of music theory at any point.
Composition is applied musical theory. You could easily get a computer to compose music, yes, because it would not be remotely difficult to get one to generate a sequence of notes from a scale played in varying keys to a specific time signature. Interest is limited though, because more complex and experimental exercises couldn't be done without manual input.
"Intuitive understanding" means nothing without technical familiarity. And stop with the "STEM values" non-argument. Music theory isn't STEM, you clown. It's the technical aspect behind an art.

>>390008862
LOL Go do this faggot fedora jerkoff shit somewhere else fuckin fedora wearer

>>390008987
Music Theory isn't a rulebook idiot, it's basically another form of music history.
>>390009028
Great argument

>>390008919
Aiming is really just something you learn over time as a muscle reflex.

One kind of crutch you can try is to aim where you expect an enemy to be, then waiting for them to hit the crosshair and clicking then.

>>390008987
>Composition is applied musical theory. You could easily get a computer to compose music
yes, but it's shit music and nobody cares about it, it has nothing to do with complexity
>"Intuitive understanding" means nothing without technical familiarity
say that to all the self-taught musicians
The technical aspect behind the art in this case hardly means anything. I say "STEM values" because you treat music like it's an engineering problem. Music criticism isn't objective. Neither is any other sort of art criticism, doesn't mean it's just personal opinion

>>390008987
Sorry we're gonna need you to demonstrate your knowledge of art history from the Medieval era through the 20th Century and through today before you're allowed to participate in this debate.

>>390009453
What an immature response
You show your age too much

>>389993875
I dislike metal and still think its pretty fucking great

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Why the fuck should I care if it's music or not by some fedora tipping anons definition. It sounded good and made playing the game even better. Which is more than I can say for 90% of soundtracks in games.

>>390008862
>Interpretate the meaning of Doom 2016
>RIP AND TEAAAAAR!
Not every music is supposed to be deep - sometimes it just must fit. i.e. I wouldn't call Quake II OST the pinnacle of metal genre but it's somehow enjoyable to listen standalone. Same as Doom OST. It's like fast food.

>>390009157
I try to do that but seem to fail most of the time.
Still, thanks for the tip, I'll see if I can get more training with aiming...

>>390009668
That doesn't make it good.

>>390009149
Music theory is supported by cohesive structured evidence. That's what theory is, you moron.
>>390009361
I was making no kind of statement about the quality of computer generated music. You said if music theory was just applied composition you could get a computer to do it. I stated that you could. You're moving goalposts.
>say that to all the self-taught musicians
"Self-taught" means they just taught themselves. What were they teaching themselves if not some technical measure to go by?
>music criticism isn't objective
Holy fucking shit, now you're straight up contradicting yourself. You were the one who claimed music could be criticized objectively. I feel like I'm being taken for a ride.

>>390009892
>Music theory is supported by cohesive structured evidence.
You're b8ing us but Music Theory is just an analysis of how past music was made, ex post factum. It is not a rulebook on how to make music unless you are making OLD ass music.

People who hate BFG division are not normal.

>>390009361
>say that to all the self-taught musicians
self taught musicians still know how to play a guitar or whatever. Maybe they don't know the terminology but they do know how it works.

>>390009892
>I was making no kind of statement about the quality of computer generated music.
Generating something of a quality that's of no use to anyone isn't a success by any measure
>"Self-taught" means they just taught themselves. What were they teaching themselves if not some technical measure to go by?
they teach themselves based on feeling without technically understanding scales or keys or even timings.
>You were the one who claimed music could be criticized objectively
I meant two different things, music critcism isn't logical, it's intutiive, but that doesn't mean it's merely a personal opinion that exists only in the head of the listener. You can't fully define what makes music good or bad with words or logic, but that doesn't mean it's entirely personal. You're giving music theory way too much credit, as the other guy said, its more like history, it's not a science.

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>>390009838
Compose a music for doom that would fit the gameplay. Gameplay itself is not deep (you tear shit up), story is also not deep (you tear shit up), so how music is supposed to be "deeper"? Soundtrack should be listened during playtrough. It simply fits, Doom music fits while you tear shit up, that's why it's considered as best of 2016 by many.

>control+f
> no brigador
I thought /v/ knew good video game music. I guess not

>>389993239
>literally one good song
>best soundtrack

Mick pls go

>>390010746
>ends argument with a vague appeal to popularity
how to spot a plebian

Anyone who complains this soundtrack isn't as heavy as OG Doom is stupid. Outside some songs and E1M1, most songs are atmospheric and the best song is one of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=volI6Q40TQQ

>>390010430
Holy fuck. Nowhere did I ever claim that computer generated music would be good quality or any kind of success, though thr argument could absolutely be made that it would be a technical success just be getting something coherent out of it. You claimed a computer could compose music if composition was applied music theory and I explained how it would be possible. That is where it began and ended, with your claim being corrected.
>they teach themselves based on feeling without even understanding scales or keys or even timings
Just because they don't know the terminology or technical specifics, it doesn't mean they aren't conforming to the structure laid out by music theory. They're not teaching themselves to feel. They're reaching out blindly and learning by touch something that study of theory would illustrate clearly.

You've moved the goalposts so much you've obviously lost sight of the actual argument here. Let me remind you. Without being able to demonstrate how your argument is objective with an actual measure of objectivity, you are stating your opinion. "Intuitive understanding" is a subjective personal interpretation unless you can actually support yourself with something concrete. Try and enforce your sovereignty all you like, but you absolutely haven't provided anything of the sort. You're floundering desperately in a bid to have your opinion recognized as having standing by claiming it's factual because it's your opinion.
As such there is literally no point in either of us continuing this. You have your opinion and are hellbent on being validated, and I won't acknowledge it because you can't back yourself up. This is fruitless for both of us and I'm done with it.
In fucking before you do that shitty thing of claiming that being an obstinate turd means you've "won".

>>389993239
Dark Souls III came out last year so no

>>390011671
Yeah.
The music in the second level of DooM 2 was fuckin elevator music.

There were some good tracks (shawns got the shotgun, especially) but in general the games werent nearly as fast or brutal as a lot of people who never played it make it out to be.

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Damn I didn't notice that Doom Slayer is doing omnislashes and other ballets during fight with demons. Oh gee... music is supposed to be deep, creative, comprehensive, with touchy lyrics about every strike he does that have deeper meaning...

...actually he's usually tearing them apart with one quick sweep. No epicness, no getting touchy, he's going trough strongest enemys like trough cannon fodder. Music accents perfectly that feeling of power.

So once again what do you have an issue with Doom 2016 OST?

>>390012035
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>>390011703
>Without being able to demonstrate how your argument is objective with an actual measure of objectivity, you are stating your opinion
if you have any experience with any sort of art critcism you'd know this wasn't true. It sounds like you're arguing about something you don't understand. I'm not sure how you expect me to prove it. Look up any respected art, film, book, music criticism and see how objective it is. The best and most detailed music theory can only take you so far, making good music is an intutive process that can't be logically explained. I'm already aware computers can compose music, which is why I used the example - the music they output fails to evoke any emotion and isn't be considered valuable by anyone.

>>390009991
I can second this. I've been playing guitar for close to a decade without lessons, and my terminology isn't that great with music. Wanting to know exactly what I'm talking about and what I'm doing is why I'm going to try to get a degree in Music Theory.

>>389993239
Would've preferred something like the Doom 3DO music.

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>2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIyj8BAbaX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7K5qbSt3ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRd--NACe5w
Doom soundtrack also works much better in game, but overall besided BFG Division, Rip 'n tear and The mastermind, there aren't other outstanding tracks.

D44Ms ost is absolute shit compared to Let it Die's

>>390012405
I thought Argent Combat was pretty strong, as well as all the choir parts of the one that plays in hell

>>390012240
not him, but are you claiming that you're on the level of the most respected art, film, book and music critics? because their background and experience is what lends them credibility and objectivity, not just their arguments
we know nothing about you, just that you don't think d44m has a good soundtrack

>>390012935
It's not that he thinks it's a bad soundtrack, but he thinks that it's not """true art"""

>>390012935
that's a fair point but I already tried to make a point on why doom 4s soundtrack isn't that great and if someone can't see how simplistic and generic the riffs are they either have hardly any experience with rock music or the inability to understand what they're listening to

>>390013039
well shit that's even worse, how are we supposed to believe he's any kind of authority on the matter

>>390013039
different person, don't assume you know who's who an an anonymous imageboard

>>390013129
The riffs are generic but how said rifts are produced is pretty interesting. The video of him explaining how he made the soundtrack is interesting.

>>390013129
the riffs dont have to be complex.

The complexity is more in the sound design than the tunes

>>390013129
I don't think it's simplistic or generic at all m8, it's certainly far more complicated than anything I could make if his talk on how he made it is anything to go by, and I've been playing music for over a decade now
I mean it's totally fair play if you don't like it but I think writing it off as simplistic is just a show of personal bias

>>390012409
apples and oranges bruh

>>390013362
it doesn't matter how he made it, what matters is the end result. it has a cool sound to it but the songs themselves are fucking boring and shallow. they're not the type of thing you're going to remember years later (unless you barely listen to any music)

>>390013569
BFG division, the menu music (Which apes the name of the best song in any doom game) and Flesh And Metal are pretty memorable.

>>389993239
No, even Steel Rondo was better.

>>390013569
I don't think they're boring at all though, I feel like they capture the anger and exhilaration that's supposed to drive the game perfectly
and I can't say I believe it's shallow either given the depth of the process behind it, being aware of that complexity has made me see it in the music and I don't think seeing that depth through that awareness invalidates it

>>390013848
boring in the sense that it sounds like a generic ripoff of all other music in that genre

>>390014014
Name one song that Flesh And Metal or BFG division sounds like.

>>390014014
where do we go from here, man
I disagree because I can't name any specific artists or tracks that d44m music puts me in mind of, do we just keep going back and forth with "ur wrong"/"no u" or what

>>389993239

>he didn't play Brigador

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>>389993239
I mean, if you only play triple A titles then sure

>>390014316
I'm not here to drink your dog piss

>>390014086
>>390014179
google djent or industrial metal, i haven't listened to that sort of stuff in 10 years

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>>389994678
>white people

>>390013223
strum guitar and get music
woooooow so interesting

>>390003239
>Songs are literally all style

Shit taste billboard pop child detected

>>390014453
I'm familiar with djent and industrial metal, but they're far from what I'd call generic and nor would I say something is generic for sounding similar to them
does something have to be truly unique to not be generic?

>>390014965
you don't label a genre generic, you label a song or artist generic for sounding like a clone of other music within the genre

>>390002782
I think my biggest problem with wubwub music (call it whatever you like) is when it builds up with an amazing crescendo, and then when this "drop" occurs, it's nothing special and neither is the music that follows. The best metaphor that I can think of is that you're edging, find something REALLY good but you're not about to finish yet, but it's too late and you wind up with a ruined orgasm, and you're still trying to jerk it afterwards to milk what pleasure remains out but all you're left with a feeling of emptiness and memories of both how good it was and how badly you fucked up.

It's not specific to just DOOD's OST, it's DnB stuff in general. Maybe people who like it get so hyped up by that initial rise that they ignore the drop and everything after it, I don't know.

>>390015093
does that mean everything you can place in a genre is inherently generic because they sound enough like each other to be grouped into genres?

>>390006354
Does anyone here have a background in anything anon. Should any of us talk about anything, I don't think anyone here studied videogames at a university and dedicated their entire lives to videogame theories so I guess this entire board shouldn't fucking exist

>>390015141
>I think my biggest problem with wubwub music (call it whatever you like) is when it builds up with an amazing crescendo, and then when this "drop" occurs, it's nothing special and neither is the music that follows.
that's the whole appeal of the genre. it's the musical equivalent of being cucked

>>390014885
I take it that you don't actually know what video I am talking about right? It's interesting for sound engineers.

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>>389993239
What are some games that induce Synesthesia?

>>390015141
BFG division has what I call a proper drop.

>>390015183
no, it means when something doesn't stand out enough to be differentiated from other things in it's genre it's generic

>>390015141
god, shitty drops have got to be the absolute worst thing to happen to music

https://youtu.be/1faZ_pjDEsA?t=18m53s

>>390015228
i think 95% of that kind of genre really went apeshit intense after the drop, like skrillex or whatever, but at a certain point people just started making really underwhelming drops for no reason

>>390015346
I'd say d44m stands out within the genres you're comparing it to, I'd be able to identify it on hearing
really m8 I respect your opinion but why is it so hard to call it just that

Why has no one combined Guitar Solos with an intense drop?

>>390008987
>Composition is applied musical theory. You could easily get a computer to compose music, yes

Imagine being this dedicated towards defending yourself having shit taste

>>390015310
perturbator's music always takes me into some imaginary lost ps1 game from beyond space and time

I love that boy

>>390015346
I think 99% of the people listening ahve never really heard whatever the hell genre DooM 4's soundtrack is in, so it's impossible for most of the listeners to find it remotely generic

>>390015562
I'm not gonna claim it was any good, but that's what muse tried to do on the 2nd law
so it's not like it hasn't been attempted

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Hellwalker is a fucking amazing Main Menu theme.

>>390015597
New Model is pretty great, DL'd it today.

>>390015689
>I think 99% of the people listening ahve never really heard whatever the hell genre DooM 4's soundtrack is in, so it's impossible for most of the listeners to find it remotely generic
yeah that's probably the crux of my annoyance with the praise being lavished on it

>>390015758
It's mostly great, but I really can't get into the lyrics/vocals for vantablack.

It's really weirdly cringey, especially when he does the "deep voice" and starts talking about boning

>>390015468
I normally hat synths, but listening to the first 12 minutes or so has made me consider that maybe I was just listening to shitty synths/composers.
Thanks anon

>>390015597
Perturbator is fucking great. I Am The Night is my winter night time album.

>>390015758
I still haven't listened to it, I ordered it on vinyl and I'm waiting for the record to arrive before my first play. What's your opinion of it?

>>390015848
sounds like some /mu/-tier "I liked it before it was in doom" hipster shit desu

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That's not pokken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz9-bV2cLKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Chj-Nxppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWRPQr4fx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzPpAYBy4AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxkhM2Joqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8n32wVdZ48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcbKh4AzScE

>>390016093
not really, industrial metal has been around for a long time and isn't an unpopular genre, it's even in other video games, don't call other people hipsters just cause you're 12 years old

>best soundtrack of 2016
it's an outstanding soundtrack but I haven't played enough games to pass that kind of judgement on it.

>>389994043
Persona 5
Sonic Mania

>>390012035
Not that anon, but the issue here isn't that it's not deep. The issue is that youre trying to say that its the best soundtrack of the year even though there's nothing great about it. It good for a game, but its not good as general music

>>390016215
whoa there with the cheap age based potshots, you'll come off as upset
did you really expect not to be told you sound like a hipster for getting angry about people praising d44m's soundtrack because it sounds like it fits in a genre you knew about and they didn't

>>390015141
When it comes to "drops" in DnB, I like to think that it was created to fit into a structure built for DJing. The song loop twice for DJing, not because they necessarily want to copy and paste it into 6 minutes. But this also applies to other genres.

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>>390015971
Like anon said>>390015894 lyrics in Vantablack are a bit out of place, reminded me of Trent Reznor or A Perfect Circle. If you liked Uncanny Valley you'll like it, Birth of the New Model & Tainted Empire are great.

>>390016403
>It good for a game, but its not as good as general music
that's why it's being evaluated as a soundtrack
hence, "best soundtrack of the year"