What went right?

The recent damage for DKs. We're finally decent again with both DPS classes...as long as we are not in a progressive raid.

At that point..

>class quests are fun
>the leveling pace sets an ambiance of roleplaying the land

>>389945457
Outland was well designed
World pvp areas were fun except for Nagrand

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>>389947762
Silithus > Outland outdoor PVP

More focused questing and greater quest variety while maintaining nonlinear structure and having a degree of linkage between zones
Talent and itemization changes creating and/or making viable entirely new character archetypes (instead of having just "a tank", you now have three tanking classes with very pronounced strengths and weaknesses, each of them effectively equally viable due to min/max progression raiding setup having one of each)
More involved gearing with new types of itemization and stats
Far more fleshed-out professions (extremely potent BoP items rather than almost immediately obsolete BoE crafts with only set bonii specific to the profession)
Substantially tougher raid and dungeon content with more involved bossfights and trash pulls
Vastly superior style of PvP that maintains effectively all nuance that previously existed (things like stance dancing or deadzoning hunters or whatever) and general style (no crazy self-heals or unlimited resources, limited amount of cooldown-usage) but increasing the length of fights from global fest
Improved default UI and addon support

Pretty much everything besides lore

>>389947968
Who the fuck actually did the outdoor PvP objectives?

And I don't think that's a very relevant point anyhow. Vast majority of world PvP encounters take place in points of interest, be it Nesingwary Camp, Tyr's Hand, Blackrock Mountain, Skettis or Auchindoun summoning stone.

>>389948429
anyone with a brain, they were pretty good in Auchindon and HFP and had incentive in Nagrand

To be honest? Very little.

They gave horde a pretty race stymieing the horde vs alliance faction imbalance.

However BC started a terrible trend that plagues WOW to this day, that only the end game matters, and the end game needs to be an absolute massive grind to boot.

Its also the expansion that pretty much killed any PVP potential WOW had, replacing it with a shitty esport driven minigame that was IMBA as fuck due to resilience.

>tfw leveling up and farming previous zones for dank loot

>>389946020
Every class currently does decent damage and not since MOP have I seen one that is non viable with exception only to survival hunters. Unless you're in a world first guild than sims really mean nothing to you

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>>389948429
Absolutely true.

One of WOW's biggest problems is that despite being WARcraft, and coming from a series built around epic battles between orcs humans and whoever else, there was very little MMO style PVP designed in WOW, once BGs came, world PVP was made pointless, and once Arenas were made, 40 man BGs were pretty much made obsolete

>>389949334
BGs have always been better than world pvp

>>389949278
except the WoW community is a bunch of sheeples who copycats "pros" to get the illusion that they are pro too, and it's not recent.
During early WotLK I was one of 3 raiding shamans on my server because there was a big meme that they were bad, and in Legion you wouldn't be able to get into a current content PUG if you weren't 100% cookie cutter even if your stat thresholds didn't fit the build of the epic memer of choice of whoever was inspecting you.

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>>389949415
Because WOW has never had a world PVP system, ever, its had world PVP objectives, but those were more one and done minigames with no real rewards.

WOW has never had a true world PVP system that was driven by players, such as territory control, sieges, ect.

>>389949334
there were raids on ashenvale, the barrens and tarren mill on my server until Catashit destroyed the old world.

>>389948838
Well, Spirit Shards actually have a degree of use (good starter gear, free pots if you were going to run Auchindoun instances anyway) and the daily is worth doing (doesn't necessitate winning or fighting) but given the choice you'd win quickly and then be on your way, and it's not exactly an area you go to seek fights in given that the objectives are up a small minority of the time.

HFP on the other hand has no such boon. Even if you were after rep/experience boosting item, with the time spent fighting and travelling, you could have reaped an equal or greater benefits from just doing the dungeons or quests. And because towers change hands often, there's no much point in capturing them if you are going to do some dungeons.

>>389945457
previous raid tiers weren't made irrelevant by new ones

keys, attunements were the checks for people, not ilvl or artifact horse shit.

selling arena points was fucking fantastic. og za bear runs. spotting glaives on someone the first time. fury warriors weren't ruined with titans grip garbage.

the best pvp balance ever achieved seasons 1-3