OFFICIAL SHIT ON VALVE THREAD

>some guy asked me why people rag on valve so much
>give him a laundary list of reasons
>yeah but you gotta admit people are over reacting, give them the benefit of the doubt

like they're a fucking company that wants money from you. They tried to play the "we're actually trying to be good" and then they thought they were in the clear and tried to turn good will into prophets. now they're out of good will. Fuckem.

>>389936096
>how can anybody still respect this company at this point?
Because unfortunately, as shit as they're becoming, pretty much every other major company is significantly worse.

For example, they at least backed down on the paid mods bullshit after wide community lashback. EA or Activision probably would have just gone ahead with it anyway and ignored the consumer; Bethesda certainly did with Creation Club.

The fundamental problem with Valve is that they hire 10x less people than is normal for the industry. That's why they're so slow.

>>389936096
>WAAAAA REDDITS FAVORITE GAME FRANCHISE THAT HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS IS NOW SOMEWHAT OFFICIALLY DEAD WAAAAA

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When would you say the last year they were any good was?
Whenever Portal 2 released for me, I think 2011. They already had a monopoly on pc gaming, but at least they still made games and actively updated their preexisting ones.
After that it was just downhill from there.

>>389936372
why do you know so much about what plebbit likes? you should go back there

>>389936307
>there's a bigger evil
>therefore i should normalize this evil
There's plenty actually good companies out there. CDPR for example. Even Sony is probably morally above Valve at this point.

>>389936458
>single player game with co-op had a hat shop

it really was the point of no return for them.

god I would kill for a polished game by them, like I might even play artifact.

>>389936307
>For example, they at least backed down on the paid mods bullshit after wide community lashback.

anon, paid mods are just community cosmetics like hats.

they never "stopped", they only stopped raping skyrims mod community.

>>389936096
>>people shit on their newly announced derivative card game instead of being excited
I remember how everyone shat all over CSGO when it came out

>>389936096
>how can anybody still respect this company at this point?
Because I understand that a business would pursue the business avenues that make them the most cash, which is apparently not video games for the most part
Also Steam is pretty good

>>389936552
>Even Sony is probably morally above Valve at this point.
Nah. Still paywalling online play without actually improving the services like namechanges or refunds. Never mind the minute M$ drops from the industry Sony is going to ram a DRM dildo straight up the asses of their customers. Valve is still evil but they don't have contingency plans to completely fuck their customers in the ass once the biggest obstacle to fucking the customers in the ass is out of the way.

>>389936575
At least it was an actual good game instead of the multiplayer crap they started pushing out after it. You could tell they already wanted to try and capitalize on TF2's hat/key success but had no clue how to do it yet.
Please don't play Artifact, oh god. The last thing I think anyone wants is for that to be sucessful.

>>389936627
they even released sprays, a previously free feature in CS 1.x, as microtransactions
these fuckers know no shame anymore

>tfw mods are dead and valve essentially killed the last bastion of community content with skyrim


seriously is there any hope left for mods?

>>389936372
>reddit is the only place of losers that play vidya
Sorry nigger, but most of this board uses steam. Take your dank memes back to ledit.

>>389936096
I have already accepted that they're not going to do shit but I keep using Steam because they have the biggest selection of bideo james available for purchase. Its like "hey why do you keep using windows if microsoft is so worst?" well because I have no choice okay.

>>389936552
>CDPR for example.
They are not a good company. Never forget the graphical downgrade at the launch of the witcher 3. It doesn't matter how good their games are if they pull jewish tricks like that to sell said games.

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>>389936742
>Also Steam is pretty good

>>389936975
It is though
/v/ hate circlejerks are the worst because all the rational arguments get drowned out by retarded memes

>>389937008
steam is probably the worst client now.

>>389936765
>paywalling online play
I knew this reply was coming. I thought that as well but when i think about Sony, that as far as i can go to "doing evil shit".
Really, they dont kill devs, on the contrary, they even helped other jap studios like square back then. They maintain groups like Team Ico who barely makes a game per decade.
I mean, i dont agree with all they do but it's not really bad at all. And to your point about M$...the console industry went haywire the moment they stepped in. So dont worry, there were great games before and there will be great games after/if they leave.

>>389937113
Elaborate on those severe changes that brought this development

>>389937008
it isnt
if we're talking about the client it's outdated
the store is clogged with useless meme simulators and early access shit (curtesy of valve)
steam support is shit compared to anyone else in the industry
0 QA on what they sell

>>389937008
Valve have been siphoning money off people through steam, steam isnt any good anymore, its just been flooded with tons of shite are starting to lose the monopoly on the online platform

>>389937347
>Valve have been siphoning money off people through steam
what does this even mean

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>>389937214
>Really, they dont kill devs,
kys shill

Name a client that let's you download and organize games plus provide community interaction and easy multiplayer access better than steam does

>Inb4 some esoteric bullshit literally 5 bitter neckbeards use
Valve stopped being anywhere near a major game dev years ago

not a PC player, what other alternatives to Steam are there? Origin?

I imagine you guys wouldn't want to leave all the stuff you already bought, what is there to do?

>>389936307
Are you retarded, valve loves taking community made assets and making people pay for them, that's what most of ''''''their'''''' games are
Fuck valve, fuck gabe, fuck steam

>>389937604
These werent good games studios though. They are no Bullfrog, Maxis, Bioware...

>>389937668
gog is pretty good.

>>389936552
kys you dumb slint eye cunt, Sony suck fucking balls

>>389937604
Why is Gurreila there when they released HZD recently? Don't tell me you think the Cambridge branch was relevant enough to keep afloat? They just moved all the important ones to Europe. You're pretending they shut a whole studio when it was just a small time branch

>>389936742
>DRM is good
I hate nu-/v/ so much

>>389937668
>what other alternatives to Steam are there?
No DRM

>>389937647
>babby needs a client to find his games
Do you also use an iphone?
>provide community interaction
idgaf about "communities" I just the play the fucking games
>easy multiplayer access
They doesn't provide the servers, what does steam have to do with multiplayer?

>>389936552
>valve
>putting cosmetics behind paywall

>Sony
>putting all online gameplay behind paywall

>Sony
>morally above Valve

The delusion is real.

>>389936096
Because the company still makes a shit ton of money and losers like you throwing a shitfit over nothing is always a good company

>>389936096
>can no longer buy games on sale and store them in inventory for future gifts
>can no longer trade with friends without using their phone app
>can no longer choose not to update games
>sale events are dead

>>389936096
i haven't really respected them or gaben since the early 2010s, it's been obvious for a long time now that they're just taking advantage of the easiest ways for them to generate profit without having to do anything difficult like make games
at least the cult of valve on /v/ has mostly died down over the last few years, they're almost as insufferable as consolewar fags

>>389938019
What better digital provider of video games is there hello are you retarded

>>389938019
Yes, digital distribution and an incredibly convenient centralized platforms with plenty of features such as cloud saving is in fact good you meming faggot

>>389938031
Not the guy you replied to but the only reason no one has tried to bring online paywalls like consoles have to PC is because they couldn't get away with it, not even Valve.

>>389938231
>Sony should be forgiven for this bullshit because they have a monopoly
This is you. This is what you are saying.

>>389938031
I never said they are perfect and never did any wrong. In fact, the only reason i havent bought a ps4 is the pay for online.
But, even after that, it's safe to say Sony has done less harm than nowadays Valve.

>>389938291
That is in fact not what he is saying
Try again, this time start by reading his post instead of projecting your own thoughts into his post

>>389938396
No it's not. Paid online trumps everything Valve has done combined.

>>389936458
>Portal 2
>Good
It was a six hour game and significantly dumbed down compared to the first one.

>>389938451
i love it redditbro

>>389936957
>graphical downgrade at the launch
blame the limitations of consoles, not the company, shill.

>>389938291
I'm not saying what Sony does is right, I'm saying Valve isn't a more "moral" company because they'd most likely do it if it was a good business decision

Reminder that valve also killed private servers in csgo/tf2/dota because the pc playerbase is too autistic to know how to use the server browser.

>>389938584
You're judging someone for crimes they have not committed.

>>389938447
>normalization of early access
>paying for mods
>no fun allowed esports
>legal troubles over refunds policy
Really?

>>389938447
I would rather pay for online that every game coming out have microntransactions bullshit desu

>>389938629
But that's wrong

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>>389936742
>when a plebbitcuck posts on your board

389938496
Valve and Gaben were beloved by /v/ before reddit existed, you stupid newfag

>>389938740
>m-muh mindless circlejerk pls stop posting dissenting opinions!
worst cancer of the site

>When the good guy turns out to be the villain

>>389938808
>let me suck cocks in peace!!
yea sure but please go somewhere else

>>389938713
>normalization of early access
I don't see this as a grave crime.

>paying for mods
It was cancelled. If it survived, that Skyrim thing, yeah, it would have been possibly worse than paid online.

>no fun allowed esports
Minor.

>legal troubles over refunds policy
What?

>>389938717
Valve games I play are TF2 and Dota. I never needed to buy anything in former, since vanilla loadouts are so good, and in latter only cosmetics are microntransactions.

>>389938882
Are you really dim enough to miss the irony
You're telling me to go somewhere else so that you can continute jerking off your buddies who have the exact same trash opinions as you do without anyone else interfering
Which is exactly what you supposedly dislike about rebit

>>389938713
>>normalization of early access
EA games are a retard filter
Stupid people buy games that are shit and get burned
Not stupid people pirate games that might be good and buy them down the line
The advantage of the system is tons more games coming out, with some of them being good, that wouldn't necessarily have come out without the additional funding

>>389939009
no, what i dislike about reddit is that unpopular comments are hidden, and nazi big business moderation and administration

>>389936096
>>Source 2 is dead in the water
wat i thought cs go was being ported

>>389936096
fuck valce dude

>>389938713
Mount and blade was early access and is GOAT

>>389939080
Praising HL2 is a good redditfilter.

>>389938967
You mean the game quality being a piece of shit because they focus more on making cosmetics than fixing and developing the actual game?

tf2 is dead now, the announced an update more than 1 year ago and they still have not released it since there are only like 1 or 2 people working on tf2 right now

dota 2 devs are a joke at this point since they can't bother to fix their game

Valve won't make things that doesn't make them money, thats why all their games are infested by cosmetic cancer.

>>389939161
It's a shit taste filter for sure, the game aged like bread

>>389939168
Don't see why you're telling me all this. Yes, Valve is not handing their existing games in the best manner, but all this is nowhere near paid online thing Sony is doing.

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>>389936458
Left 4 Dead 2 was the beginning of the end for me. They claimed that the first game would receive long-term free content updates like TF2, but we only got one before they decided to shit out a glorified expansion pack that was priced and marketed as if it was a full-blown sequel.

It's also one of the main reasons why we never got Episode 3. Since some idiots managed to convince Gabe that making a "sequel" within only a year would be a good idea, they had to draw people from different cabals (including the EP3 one) and go into crunch to make it happen. As a result, a lot of people got burnt out from working on big AAA games.

>>389939127
They used it for dota 2 and the whole thing about it was allowing users to test cosmetics before you buy it, sad thing is you can't even test 2 at the same time.

>>389938898
Skyrim thing was an attempt to bring Valve business model to that game. If you havent realize, paying for cosmetics modifications is exactly how Valve makes money on their games. So the model isn't dead, it's alive and making money.
And if you dont think the flood of early access is bad and how the Valve refund policy came to be thats on you.

>>389936552
"To prefer evil to good is not in human nature; and when a man is compelled to choose one of two evils, no one will choose the greater when he might have the less." Plato

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>Reddit(And according to this thread some /v/ faggots) would defend this man

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>>389939305
>early access is bad
>Its okay paying full price for a literal beta

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remember that old as fuck video where gabe talks about the development of hl2 and he says "we are making innovate games for our consumers that our consumers will love and appreciate from us, because its all to benefit them and years on they will look back at our achievements and be thankful for that" and then you look at todays valve and think wow...they completely 180'd.

>>389936307
Dota, cs, blue shift, opossing force

>>389936742
>pursue the business avenues that make them the most cash, which is apparently not video games for the most part

I too like videogames

At least I don't have to pay twice to play online consolefags.

>>389939343
There are more than two companies in this industry to choose from Plato.

>>389936307
Activision do free Mods for Call of Duty zombies to let people build their own maps. Granted it isn't popular and no one would pay for it but seriously Activision isn't even bad at this rate.

>>389937796
they still killed them, doesn't matter that you don't like them

>>389939394
I know dude, it's sad as fuck to see. They felt so cool back then, so based. Now it doesn't fuckin matter. They make CSGO and DoTA and run Steam, that's it. Even pipe dreams about HL3 are gone now.

>>389939595
Killing a studio implies ceasing activities of devs who had worth to them. Who cares about literally who that made mediocre shovelware.

>>389938751
yeah until they started doing stupid shit.

/v/ is a fucking hivemind sure, but they sometimes know what the fuck they talk about. Gabe has steam and all the money in the world so of course make a fucking card game instead of counting to 3.

seems like being racist and being shutdown for it is all the rage these days. Maybe gabe said something racist would be a shame if that leaked ;^)

>>389938451
haha ebin xD

but no, seriously, kill yourself you corporate cock sucker

>>389939892
>implies ceasing activities of devs who had worth to them
you're being subjective again, you have to realize some people like things you may not

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check out this toss

I just want them to make something. Anything except multiplayer competitive garbage. At least release the fuckign Source2

>>389939228
>game aged
holy shit get out underagefaggots

>>389936096
>ex-employee leaks plot summary to HL2EP3

sauce?

>>389936675
and they were right, what's your point?

>>389940858
damn you missed a bunch
https://github.com/Jackathan/MarcLaidlaw-Epistle3/
by marc laidlaw himself (edited names to match HL2 characters)

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PYRO UPDATE
ANY MOMENT NOW

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>>389941083
>create hype and tease a sequel for 10 years
what?
they talked about it maybe 3 months after episode 3 and shut their mouths ever since

>>389941279
>lying on the internet
Why anon

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I'm hoping their new steam UI overhaul shows they still care, but I'm not placing any bets.

>>389941279
haha what?
what about the "leaks" every year?
what about the "these things ... they take time" video?

>>389941308
show me this "hype" they provided

>>389941371
why would they leak their shit on purpose? Internal names could really be anything
I'll give you the crowbar gabe bullshit video, though

>>389940526
Says the guy who called me a shill and kys myself.

>>389941460
Gabe literally confirmed they're working on ep3 every time he's been asked until some time after 2010.

>>389941526
I'm not >>389937604 bro

>>389941460
What about the TI4 teasing? Or valve employee with HL3 shirt?
Also >implying they aren't leaking their shit on purpose.
If they didn't want any hype, they could've just said they aren't making it.

>Steam sales are shit
>Breaks a six year lull in no video game releases with a fucking card game based on one of their already existing games
>all they do is waste R&D on stupid ass shit like steam boxes and VR

Too much money, not enough sense.

>>389936096
>>lost the #1 spot to PUBG
>he doesn't know that the only reason PUBG is #1 right now is because it's being farmed to hell and back by Chinese botters
How fucking stupid.

>lost the #1 spot to PUBG
Which is hosted on their own distribution platform, where they make a nice chunk of every PUBG sale, plus a cut of every market transaction for every PUBG in game item traded.
They didn't lose shit anon, where PUBG succeeds, so do Valve.
Never try to run your own company, you imbecile.

>>389941571
how is that hype?

>>389941571
so three years of teasing proceeded by a seven year lull of nothing? gee I wonder

>>389941595
you're gonna have to be more specific with TI4, I can't find anything about that
even if they are leaking their shit, why would you depend on that meaning anything is happening? if something is leaked, it might not ever be used, games and ideas change over time.

>>389941892
it's not about the money they make, it's about their own games that are losing face to a game made by literally who's
>Never try to run your own company, you imbecile.
eat shit faggot

>>389942101
>seven year lull of nothing
If by lull of nothing you mean them refusing to say they've canceled or restarted the project and continued to leak HL3 files and maps, then yes. Valve is going great lengths to continue the hype train.

>>389942263
>T-T-THEY'RE STILL MAKING IT

no

>>389939305
I have nothing against that model if it's used only for cosmetics.

>And if you dont think the flood of early access is bad
I don't think it's bad. More bad games does not automatically mean less good games. I plyed the shit out of Rimworld and Factorio, both early access, both excellent games.

>and how the Valve refund policy came to be
Definitively don't care. I like that they allow you to refund games, even though I never refunded anything - I buy games as a reward for developer, after I pirate it, if it's good enough.

>>389936096
>lost the #1 spot to PUBG
lmao
>people shit on their newly announced derivative card game instead of being excited
certainly they expected the outrage that would come with teasing fans for 10 years and then announcing a card game with no information about it. There are many people who get pass the enraged children phase and get excited for what a card game from valve could be like tho.
>ex-employee leaks plot summary to HL2EP3
old and probably declined story for episode 3, yea.
>Source 2 is dead in the water
how do you know?

>>389942101
>so three years of teasing proceeded by a seven year lull of nothing?
>full of nothing?
https://www.polygon.com/virtual-reality/2017/2/10/14580932/valve-is-working-on-three-full-vr-games
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/6wf7d8/artifact_is_not_one_of_the_3_vr_games/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Gaben/comments/5olhj4/hi_im_gabe_newell_ama/dck9qhl/
https://youtu.be/mJqo7XzwJd0?t=8m48s
https://twitter.com/ValveTime/status/905605724155326464

not even mentioning the string leaks and what not

>>389942263
once again, games change over time, they probably don't want to make any promises, and leaks don't mean shit unless it's actually implemented or officially stated from valve

>>389941070
>https://github.com/Jackathan/MarcLaidlaw-Epistle3/

Damn, this gave me the feels.

>>389942291
The last leaks that happened have the editor version from 2015. Of course they're still making it. But it's a team of a few people who give up soon and leave it to the next team of hotheads to try and be rejected by the wider company.

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Artifact will be GOTY and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>389942383
You're either a newfag or retarded. Valve literally communicates with fans through "leaks" They're deliberately cockteasing a game that's not gonna come out anytime soon even now.

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>>389936096
>>Source 2 is dead in the water, Garry's Mod 2 will be using UE4

Plot Twist: Valve buys out Unreal Engine

>>389942485
Your edit is retarded and makes no sense.

>>389942485
Who is this game even made for?

You either like dota or you don't. Why would someone opt to play a card version of the game if they hate the game, or just play it?

>>389942557
More like gmod2 flops because all the bugs were the only thing making it fun.

>>389939343
FUCK YOU PLATO
NOT EVEN A REAL PLANET

>>389938110
Digital downloads are a fucking ripoff. You can lose your whole library in a matter of seconds if valve or some other company feels like it. No protection and it's not future proof.

>>389942594
One rumor I've heard is that its both a card game and a randomizing system for a single player DOTA, kind of like Hand of Fate if you've played that.

>>389942372
the vr games are just 3 unnamed games, but that other shit seems plausible, I'm not doubting the release or them working on episode 3, but I'm not going to assume anything until they say something officially

>>389942535
>Valve literally communicates with fans through "leaks" They're deliberately cockteasing a game that's not gonna come out anytime soon even now.
why on fucking earth would any company do this? what does it achieve? and do you have any proof of any leaks being "manually" made by valve?

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>>389942664

>>389942801
At least in my experience most games on Steam don't actually use their DRM so you can back them up no problem.

>>389936096
>lost the #1 spot to PUBG
>get 30% off every PUBG sale and every item in the marketplace
i bet gayben is crying on his bed made of $1000 bills and choking on a hamburger

>>389942871
>why would that do this
Because they're fucking retarded which, coincidentally, is exactly what this fucking thread is about.

>proofs pls
No spoonfeeding faggot.

>>389942871
>release update for dota
>few files with "hl3" in name
>this happens almost regularly
yeah, they definitely don't do it on purpose anon

>>389936096
No self-respecting game developer would use source engine for anything.

>>389942801

Or your government decides it doesn't like games.

>>389942801
>Digital downloads are a fucking ripoff. You can lose your whole library in a matter of seconds if valve or some other company feels like it. No protection and it's not future proof.

STOP SEWING THIS FUCKING GARBAGE, STEAM HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR OVER 10 STRAIGHT YEARS.

And even if such an eventuality was on the horizon, gaben said they would do everything they can to remove the DRM and Steam client requirements so everyone could play their things even after the service went under.

>>389942961
>>389942981
take tyler mcvicker's cock out of your mouths for a few seconds before shit posting, guys

>>389942981
You're reaching.
Those are internals. They are not released for you to dig through them.

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>>389942664

>>389943048
>No self-respecting game developer would use source engine for anything.

Luckily, "self-respect" is in very short supply among AAA devs...

>>389943073
>B-BUT GABEN SAID!!!!!
stop listening to this fat retard and get the valve cock out of our throat
seriously believing anything gabe says is outright retardation

>>389943125
who?

>>389943073
>And even if such an eventuality was on the horizon, gaben said they would do everything they can to remove the DRM and Steam client requirements so everyone could play their things even after the service went under.
Yeah right whatever buddy. As if companies care about shit like that when they're about to go under. Do you really believe that shit?

What a fanboy, beat it kid.

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>>389943140

>>389942871
>why would that do this
Their work style differs heavily to other companies. They don't have project budgets, no deadlines for anything, no manager to keep an eye on employees, anyone can go start making a game and publish it if they want to. Because of this, from what Gabe said in the past, they go through a lot of changes throughout the development so one mechanic that was the core of the game might be removed an hour later because they didn't like it or something. And since they have a lot of money and can afford all this, they prefer the silent approach of leaking little strings and referencing the game here and there throughout the interviews to keep the hype but not reveal anything at the same time.

>>389943189
>garble garble
That's all I hear you saying.

>>389936307
The difference is that EA nor Activision had the balls to go and "Hey, let's monetize mods"
The only reason why they backed down wasn't because people didn't like it, but because the voices were loud enough that they could not ignore them, they were given no other choice.

>>389943073
>gaben said

oh child. maybe its time to realise that gabe isnt your friend.

>>389936742
This is an accurate representation of what being brainwashed by corporations sounds like.

>>389943140
Pluto can't be the worst planet, because its not a planet.

>>389943073

Operative word "everything they can".
You think they can just renege on the contracts they have with publishers and remove DRM for which they've been paid for just like that?
Yeah, adding breach of contract to bankruptcy is sure going to happen.

You understand the real customers of Valve are publishers, you're just the captive audience being sold?

>>389942372
follow the pattern
>valve talks about some upcoming piece of software
>makes update to one of their games that gives some hints about what valve is planning or actively doing, such that you would have to data mine the game to see the hints
>valve goes silent
>no more hints
they did this with half life, they did this with the source development kit, and they are doing it with source 2.

>>389943189
>stop listening to this fat retard and get the valve cock out of our throat
>seriously believing anything gabe says is outright retardation

>>389943228
>Yeah right whatever buddy. As if companies care about shit like that when they're about to go under. Do you really believe that shit?
>What a fanboy, beat it kid.

LOL RIGHT, why would I listen to a dude who successfully turned a hellish DRM system into a thriving digital markeplace that has every other AAA house salivating at the thought?

>>389943189
>>389943228
>>389943394
If you don't believe the company's owner, why are you purchasing games from his service?

>>389936887
Steam is a necessity. I have had my account since hl2 launched. It was a good idea, and just because it is a necessary evil doesn't make it any less evil.

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>>389943331
>oh child. maybe its time to realise that gabe isnt your friend.

Maybe it's time you shills realized all your lies and bitching and moaning is not gonna Bring Down The Unholy "Steam Monopoly"

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>>389943292

>>389943446
>audibly sucking gabe's fat knob
>BUT GABEN
>why would I listen to a dude who successfully turned a hellish DRM system into a thriving digital markeplace

>loot crate skinshit
>free to play early access trash
>more shovelware than the Wii and PS2 combined
>thriving marketplace
yeah no anon

>>389937008
Litterally origin is the best client out there, but it's so late to the game it doesn't matter. Also it's run by a different evil company. Except ea actually MAKES FUCKING GAMES.

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Dont mind me.
Nust passing through.

>>389943458
>If you don't believe the company's owner, why are you purchasing games from his service?
Fuck that noise, i don't use steam.

>>389939103
So, you are admitting that you want cicle-jerk

yeah, fuck valve and steam! lets all install origin and use the superior client! fuck em! ea is pretty based these days and definitely /ourguys/, right fellow /v/irgins?

>>389943458
>why are you purchasing games from his service
>implying

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>when even plebbit calls out Volvo on their bullshit but there are retards on /v/ defending Gabefat

>>389943446
I stopped buying games on pc after they started including DRM.

>>389936096
Tbh I was a valve supporter for years but the last calendar year has been such a gross disappointment I really despise them now. Add to the list that they completely killed tf2 with matchmaking for casual by trying and failing to compete with overwatch. Tf2 is dead, half life is dead, portal is dead, CSGO is dying, but there's a DotA card game coming!!!1!

>>389943769
>when even plebbit calls out Volvo on their bullshit
That's reason enough for /v/ to defend him, you fucking retard.
Also nice screenshot of something that happened 2 years ago.

>>389943810
Either pirate that shit or go to some Slavs (gog) to buy it DRM free.

>>389936096
>decided to play csgo for first time in a while
>excited because I'm about to get a drop
>realize though that free drops are usually shit
>don't realize that drops are no longer just weapon skins
>get a shitty spray
>if I want to open a skinnerbox it's $2.50
>for a low chance of gettting something good
>if I want to sell stuff on the marketplace to buy something else valve holds it for two weeks

Not even Blizzard, purveyor of loot boxes, is this Jewish with their practices

>>389943706
Good picture. Especially fitting since griffith has that white hawk bullshit going on as well. Fooling people with a shiny facade while he's a fucking demon.

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At least they haven't made a HL moba.

>>389936228
>tried to turn good will into prophets

there are clairvoyants at the thrift store?

>>389943458
>why are you purchasing games from his service?
>implying I haven't dropped buying PC games years ago
anon...

>>389943921
It's either DRM free digital or physical copies for me. I won't give a dime to steam, ea origins and whatever other shitty service there is out there.

>>389943458

I'm not. It's amusing how Steam turned me (and I bet many others) from day one full price customer to pirate if anything.

>>389943706

I don't even think that works, Steam as a platform started as a DRM (once past being an update mean).
Valve was no hero turned villain, it's always been in the villain camp, it's just that for some reason people clamored for them.
Smile-inducing, but you're giving them too much credit.

>>389936307
>They at least backed down on the mod bullshit.

Except they didnt. They take 30% off creation club credit sales.

>>389936096
They're not even a game studio.
Half-Life was a student project they bought and all their other games are mods.
They only implemented Steam refund because they were breaching the EU consumer rights act and people started complaining about it, but the sleek motherfucker made sure you could only get Steambux refunded so you have ti buy something again from Steam store anyway.

>>389944026
But griffith was a dick from day one.

>>389943649
Apart from Titanfall 2 they haven't released anything worthwhile in years.

>People admittedly defend Valve and their games for years
>Only recently people turned on them when it became clear when HL3 was never happening
Is this really all it takes for people to turn on a company? Did people really need confirmation that a game almost a decade later wasn't happening?

Even if it did, do we really want a repeat of Diablo 3?

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This timeline feels like a bad joke.

>>389944040
>but the sleek motherfucker made sure you could only get Steambux refunded so you have ti buy something again from Steam store anyway.
But that's wrong, I can refund to my cc just fine

>>389944026
You forget that steam replaced cd keys, disc checks, and securom. It was the first DRM system that not only was more convenient than every other system on the market but also added value by providing an online library, online store, and online community

>>389936096
>newly announced derivative card game

wait what

>>389943907
So if plebbit says that humans breathe oxygen are you gonna do us a favour and stop breathing to spite them?

>>389943649
>origin is the best client out there

Have you actually used it? It's a clunky, slow piece of shit that breaks half the time and don't get me started on the in-game overlay or trying to do anything with friends

>>389939346
-11 points means it didn't support him

>>389944040
>They only implemented Steam refund because they were breaching the EU consumer rights act and people started complaining about it
Yeah this was pretty much the only reason. They would've had to close shop in the EU if they didn't include refunds. The EU has some stupid shit, but at least the consumer protection laws are on point.

>>389944207
>he doesn't know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se1I-pOU2jY

>>389944138
Sont forget TF2 getting ruined by poorly implemented updates, then ignored for over a year(and counting)

>>389943927
>Caring even the slightest amount about cosmetics
Just play the game with default skins and ignore crates you dumb asshole

>>389937647
Lol yeah thanks for all the community interaction valve.

>>389944301
According to TF2 players there's nothing wrong with the game and that Crowbcat video about the gimping of the graphics wasn't a big deal. Even though it's absolutely retarded Valve would do that.

You know the worst part about Valve? They are not as evil as other companies. This makes them immune to criticism. I really wish they did even worse things to the gaming community, so that the Valve fanboys wouldn't be able to get away with it.

The fact that they decapitated one of the greatest video game franchise ever is unforgivable. There was literally NO doubt that without giving away any hint of continuing it for over a decade, it was going to be coming out any day now. And it would have become the Dark Souls of FPS games. But guess what? Nope. They were real about it. TEN FUCKING YEARS. They were honest about not continuing it. How is this even a thing? Why don't they just lie to us? This is what I don't get about these greedy assholes, can't they just be dishonest to god greedy assholes?

Valve is the #1 killer of the PC industry. Through the inception of steam, they've effectively taken 50% userbase of the greatest PC platform ever: the pirate bay. It's despicable how low a company goes to achieve monopoly.

And now that they've acquired so much money, guess what they decided to do? Make a shitty card game out of it. I'm glad other companies are not doing this, I've kind started to hate on this card game meme ever since I've become addicted to Gwent.

>>389938110
Why do you people defend these companies? They don't give a shit about you. Yeah, today it's nice to have quick access to all your games, but you paid for them.

>>389944138
It was more a of a final straw thing for the last few die hards really

Myself, I gave up on the company 3-4 years ago.

>>389944178
>You forget that steam replaced cd keys, disc checks, and securom.

I don't actually, That's why I'm treating Steam exactly the way I treated those things.

There's only one positive thing that I'm willing to grant Valve: third world markets. They gave legal access to games to people that barely had them.
That's it. Everything else, the company is shit as far as I'm concerned.

>>389944443
What the hell are you talking about? Don't you realize how important graphic is for a video game? The difference shown in that video is the difference between a playable game with thriving playerbase and a dead game. Valve effectively killed their game by downgrading the graphics.

It's a great betrayal. I'm playing blizzard game from this day onwards

>>389936096
>reeeee i wish companies wouldnt choose to make money as easy as possible

>>389944486
>This makes them immune to criticism.
not really

>>389944578
they didn't kill the playerbase because of the graphics. they killed the playerbase by adding fucking THOUSANDS of cosmetics into the game and never releasing updates anymore

>>389944643
Valve shill detected. Get back to /r/eddit

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>>389944672
>shitting on valve
>Valve shill detected

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>>389936096
In the meanwhile they just pump money into Linux driver devs that may or may not gain them back money.

Also the hardware is cool.

I kinda appreciate it.

>>389944178
That was good. No one is arguing that steam never had any value. But think about how many games on steam have denuvo, or other drm like that. Fucking how many games launch another launcher through steam like uplay. Just because they were good doesn't mean they are good. Again, it's a corporation.

One corporate strategy is to undercut your competition for so long and operate at a loss to put competition out of business, then once every one is hooked and you're the only game in town you can do whatever you want. Look at Walmart. They started under the idea that customer service is important. And now it's one of the worst companies out there in every aspect, but they're to big to fail.

>>389944036
Source? Otherwise I call bullshit

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>>389936096
>valve adding histograms to reviews after dota 2 review bombing incident

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/905315616206282752/photo/1

>>389944217
Way to miss the point, you fucking retard. I only pointed out that /v/ hates reddit's guts and the fact that 'even reddit did something' is hardly a basis for /v/ to support a particular opinion, au contraire it's more power to them to be contrarians about it.
Plus neccessity of breathing oxygen is an objective fact, while the opinion that Valve is the source of all evil isn't. What's next? Food analogy?

>>389944759
This. When will the sheeples realize that corporations are not their friends.

Wake up sheeples, the thinking man only pirates. Those who think otherwise are redditors

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>you never experienced the golden age of Steam PC shooters like Half life, CS 1.6 and countless multiplayer HL mods
>tfw never got a group of friends around for a LAN party, because never had friends who were into these games

>>389939397
kek they didnt actually make any of those games, thats the irony of it all

Does anybody else not care about Half Life franchise but still hate Valve for gutting HL3? I think they should be trialed for murder for doing that

>>389944852
No one works for free though and you wont get any sequels/future projects. Good games i'm completely willing to purchase but only if i can get a physical copy or a digital one with zero DRM.

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>businesses are suppose to Jew you for every cent you have if you want to play a piece of shit for $100 that's their right not yours!
>lube my ass up, EA, Valve, Sony, Microsoft, because I am one slutty cockwhore!

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>>389944759
How is Denuvo Steam's fault?

>>389944796
His point wasn't that reddit are some wise seers who should be looked at for guidance, his point was that reddit is filled with valve fanboys who slather over gabe's dick and ask for seconds. If one day they just decided to stop sucking his dick and tell him to go fuck himself that means that valve really fucked up. If you still want your goddamn analogy then it'd be like if neogaf just started cursing Kaz Hirai's name and telling sony reps to die in a fire.

>>389936096
because even at their worst they're still objectively better than 98% of all the shit out there

Linux faggots and Valveshits should be shot.

>>389945031
t. redditor

>>389945008

Denuvo wouldn't exist if not for Valve's infrastructural model becoming the de facto standard for the industry?
As far as we know, Denuvo encroaches on existing DRM to work. It's basically a DRM for DRM.
It thrives on the Steam(works) model.

>>389945031
> If one day they just decided to stop sucking his dick and tell him to go fuck himself that means that valve really fucked up.
That's fucking irrelevent to /v/'s contrarian nature and anti-reddit narative, you fucking dumbass. Let alone the fact that the reason for reddit's outrage is quite frankly stupid due to the fact that only the stupidest fucking retards still believed that the meme that was HF3 was ever going to happen. The fact that HF2 as of late is considered reddit game here, should tell you something about /v/'s opinion.

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>>389945216
>can't come up with a reply after his big fucking gotcha post got fucked
>shout buzzwords instead
well done you

This thread made me sad. Real oldfags of /v/ here, we've hated Steam since day one. The only people who sucked Gabe's dick are redditors. Smart men pirate, brainlets pay

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>>389943769
He's completely right dou.

Money is how the community communicates with companies. It's one of the reasons they took down paid mods; the people voted with their wallets.

>>389945521
Why are modding communities for various games working just fine, if not great, for decades, without it?

>>389945421
what are your PC specs?

>>389945634
not him, but how is it relevant?

>>389945720
>not him
Sure. Fuck off you contrarian redditor

>>389945356
>Let alone the fact that the reason for reddit's outrage is quite frankly stupid due to the fact that only the stupidest fucking retards still believed that the meme that was HF3 was ever going to happen.
You say that as if HL3 was the only thing they were pissed about, when there's far more that I'm sure you already know about. Why act as though HL3 being declared all but dead is the only thing people react to?
>The fact that HF2 as of late is considered reddit game here, should tell you something about /v/'s opinion.
/v/ has terrible opinions on vidya, more at 11. How does that change anything?

>>389945421

Oh come one now, as much as there's always been a bunch of us old-timers hating on Valve since Steam inception, saying there hasn't been periods of massive Valve fanboysm/support on /v is pure historical revisionism.

>>389945521

People shouted. That's what got a reaction.
"Voting with your wallet" is an asymmetrical process. It doesn't matter how many people refuse to pay as long as enough people - even if only a minority - do so to make the endeavor commercially viable.

"Voting with your wallet" is basically a peremptory argument thrown to silence valid potentially complaints by denying the value of public discourse.
Which suites companies just fine. Winning money arguments is what they're tailored to do.

>>389944869
>>you never experienced the golden age of Steam PC shooters like Half life, CS 1.6 and countless multiplayer HL mods
I feel sorry for you faggot. I did, and those days were great. I'm a sad depressed man, and rarely enjoy video games anymore.

>>389939981
>/v/ is a fucking hivemind sure
he says in a thread where nobody can agree with each other

>people are shitting on Valve BECAUSE they aren't doing anything
I don't get it

>ITT people arguing pointlessly about if companies are "good" or "bad"

Fucking terrible discussion chaps.

>>389945832
What the fuck is your problem? I'm asking why are one's specs relevant to using steam?

>>389945997
bad post, doesn't add anything to the discussion

>>389946057
this

>>389936096
Cool thread OP. Now kill yourself.

>>389939269
This, L4D2 was definitely the smoking gun for me. Seemed like such an EA move.

>>389946108
this

>>389945521
But that's completely fucking wrong. Valve was making $1 million per DAY when they tried selling Skyrim mods. The public and vocal backlash combined with the lack of long term, sustainable plans for how to manage their half assed system is why they took paid mods down.

"vote with your wallet" has always been just a smug way to say shut up to others from people that never expected it to have any real influence

>>389946135
this

Great discussion lads, now that the dust has settled can we all agree that Valve sucks and anyone who disagrees is a redditor?

>>389946045

>>389946057

>>389941279
>half-life 3
>hl2 released in 2004
>release expansion 'episodes' to curb fanbase
>it's 2017

Yeah still been looking forward to HL3 for 13years. Hell I remember when it was Halo vs Half-life... now that franchise has 5 numbered games and many spin offs.

>the company still makes more in a minute than you in a year
>they continue to give no fucks and getting rich off of other people's work

>>389944584
>i suck a corporation's cock on /v/ for free look at me i'm so badass hehe

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>>389937113
>>389937309
How is Steam any worse than Origin or Uplay or the absolute shitastic Bethesda launcher?

>>389937604
> Killed garbage devs who barely ever made good games

You'd have to be a financial retard to not do this too.

EA and Microsoft murdered their best devs for a quick profit. Rare is fucking dead, Bioware is ass, DICE is forced to make shitty battlefield clones, Minecraft became a moneybank.

Stuff like Demon's Souls and SoTC could NOT survive under these companies. You can hate PS4 all you want but SONY as a company saved devs and literally tgrew money at them to make games, sometimes too naively.

See their indie program and how it crashed because indie "devs" literally stole money from SONY's goodwill initiative. Hell, NMS also rode SONY's money.

The problem is that SONY will kill you if you fail to make atleast one good game. But if you prove successful, SONY will give you complete leewat to do wgat you want and even help you, while Microshit and EA intervene and force changes.

>>389945213
>t. the Chinese government

>>389936307
Paid sprays

>>389946541
You will surely get the Karkland

>>389945213
steamOS isn't all of linux you muppet.

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>Garry's Mod 2 will be using UE4
HAHAHAHA what the fuck, sauce?

>>389943048
Respawn used it for Titanfall 1 and 2

>>389944869
You haven't missed anything worthwhile. All the games looked like shit.

>>389946949
just 1

>>389943706
Valve did literally nothing wrong!

>>389946123
you first dipshit, i'm too busy shitting on your mother's chest while your father is watching

>>389946873
S&ndbox, Facepunch is doing to UE4 what Gmod was to Source.

>>389946964
Titanfall 2 is also based on source

>>389947082
is "based on source" a euphemism for dead game?

>>389947128
nice

>how can anyone respect them
Anyone who plays CSGO or DotA would take a bullet for valve. The majority of steam users think valve is god.

>>389946873
https://www.pcgamesn.com/garrys-mod/sandbox-facepunch-studios

>>389941364
This is gonna fucking blow dick and you know it. They're just going to move all the shit around so you can't find anything, and once you finally get used to it after like a month they'll claim how great the UI is an how it's some amazingly researched product that they spent trillions of man-hours agonizing over, just like their shitty steam controllers.

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>>389938507
>A company blatantly lies saying there is no downgrade and ban anyone who says the contrary in their official forums
>this is somehow console's fault
You are the very definition of a master race retard and, ironically, a shilling fanboy.

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>Late 90s and early 2000s was the Golden Age of Half Life 1 modding, with Team fortress Classic, Counter Strike, Day of Defeat, They Hunger, Sven Co-op etc

>Valve bought most of the best mods out there
>Counter Strike is getting milked for what it is worth and have micro transactions up the ass
>Team Fortress 2 is stagnant
>Day of Defeat died after the release of Day of Defeat source, when they made Counter Strike: WWII edition, instead of making Day of Defeat 2

Sure is insanity around here.

>>389941364
>>389947328
Definitely going to remove skinning support.

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>>389943140

>>389945261
It will work with any DRM, Denuvo just protects the executable from being tampered with. Writing DRM is trivial, protecting it is the hard part, and Denuvo does exactly that. Steam(works) cannot be credited for popularity of Denuvo.

This thread is hilarious. A bunch of pathetic virgins screeching in a fit of impotent rage, LMAO. The fact that mongoloids think that PUBG getting the number one spot on the Steam's most played games list is somehow bad is fucking surreal, it's like these brainlets don't understand that all those PUBG copies tied to Steam are printing Gaben more money than arguably any other game out there, ESPECIALLY since PUBG is going to have loot crates out the fucking ass.

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>>389945601
I personally despise the idea of paying for mods.

That being said, sadly, its a fact that modders would make better content if they were paid and more people would be drawn to it. Personally, I'd put mods behind an optional "donation paywhatyouwant wall".

>>389945905
Of course, I only said it was ONE of the reasons why it failed. It made more hate than it made money.

>>389946136
>Valve was making $1 million per DAY when they tried selling Skyrim mods.
Source please?

>>389947269
That's not true. I play a lot of dota and I am willing to admit Valve is falling. The situation with Skyrim paid mods made it extremely obvious. "But we thought we were helping!".
Dota is still pretty good though, no other game in the genre comes close.

I miss the days when Gaben was the savior of consumers and Bobby Kotick was the evil tyrant of gaming.
It was a simpler time.

Microsoft and EA are better companies at this point

>>389948109

Missing the point: Valve made Steam's DRM accepted - made the whole client set up with account tying, registration and DRM standard. Denuvo is piggybacking on that.
The piece of software Denuvo may have existed, but it would not have been viable outside the ecosystem Valve created and other copycats followed.

>>389948240
>That being said, sadly, its a fact that modders would make better content if they were paid

Some would. But only some.
The total production ecosystem for MODS is worth more than the sum of its parts. The vast majority of the mod makers will never make a living out of their production, but Valve, and the game publishers will gather that surplus value and profit from it while paying peanuts for each individual parts compared to their collective market value.

But that's not even my biggest issue: they are trying to turn an enthusiast hobby into a poorly paid job.

Most of the mod makers are not going to make any significant income from paid mods, but now they will have to deal with their work not being a shared enthusiast ecosystem, but a competitive market one. Some people will leave because of the obligations they will now have attached to their work that previously didn't exist, some people will stop sharing because why would they give you for free what *you* intend to turn a profit of? And that overall shared market value is going to diminish because of it, even if the price of individual parts rise. *Because* it will rise.

>>389946586
>But if you prove successful, SONY will give you complete leewat to do wgat you want and even help you

Sure, Jan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2YRVokMGo&t=2s

>>389946136
>Valve was making $1 million per DAY when they tried selling Skyrim mods.

>
>

>>389948785
People who bought the game will accept pretty much anything. All those intrusive retarded CD-ROM protection methods were a thing, and people tolerated them because they wanted to play the game.

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>>389948240
>its a fact that modders would make better content if they were paid
No. Once money is involved, modding becomes a race to the bottom, a contest to eke out the best cash:money ratio, to see how much you can get away with charging while doing the least amount of work.

Unpaid mods is a system that is working and has been working fine for many years, don't try to fix something that isn't broken.

>>389949147

Which I am not disputing. I'm just discussing viability of currently existing one.
Would there be others? Probably. I mean, people supported Valve, so they'll clearly support anything. But it would have to work slightly differently. Basically people accepted Denuvo the minute they accepted Steamworks and its end-user agreement, it's where it leads.

>>389936096
I just play TF2, and it's still fun as hell 6k hours later.

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>all these edgy corporation cocksuckers saying valve aren't complete shit because muh money making

lmao. Kill yourselves. No one respects Valve anymore. Steam is a great platform for your games, but they are done being relevant on the videogames scene besides that.

>>389938231
I think they could if they come up with good enough excuse. They could bullshit some story about server costs have risen and that they need $10 a month to help cover it and make playing online even better.

>>389937347
Why do you want access to less games? You should not be checking every game in their catalog each time you want to buy something.

>>389937872
Until you want a refund for a game, that you played for an hour and did not liked.

>>389936096
Valve, Nexon and Bethesda runners for worst devs of the year for the end of the year annual vidya gaem show awards

>>389938078
There is sale on particular games each day now. And when bigger sales hit, you don't need to wait until last second to be sure, that price is the best. Even if you don't have a life, at least you can spend this time to actually play/watch something or eat and sleep.

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>>389937347
>>389937309
>store is clogged with bad games
Why does this matter? No one has to buy them. They being available does literally nothing but good for you since it means niche games catered to you that the average person might not find value in will be okay'd to be put on Steam. All the while the bad games don't have to be bought and refunds/reviews are in place to ensure customers don't get scammed.

>>389936096
Gmod workshop is gone for good. First HL series now Gmod..the fuck

>>389951550
Gmod's workshop should be back by tomorrow.
Supposedly it was taken down to prevent 9/11 mods

>>389936575
I was willing to cut them some slack because the market was so new at the time, but I'd say that was definitely the beginning of the end, at least in retrospect.

>>389938078
>russians and hackers would buy cheap games and store them for either resale for for spares for when they get banned
>russians hacked accounts and would steal items
>idiots would not update games with vulnerabilities that needed to be patched
>russians would exploit the events for free items or games

There you go.

>>389944017
It's getting shittier and shittier. I would love to buy physical copies but they just end up installing on steam.

>>389952050
Sounds like the solution would be to just prevent payment in ruples. Russia gets cheap games because their economy is shit so just raise their prices.

>>389943129
How new are you? For Valve's entire history, they've done things like that. Pretty much every major TF2 update until mannconomy was a meta, AR game.

>>389952429
That's why Steam started to region lock games. You could get a $60 release for $10 sometimes if you were lucky

>>389950109
Don't buy shit games, faggot.

>>389947648
There is no deniying they did this but the game was good and it still looks gorgious so I don't care that much

>Garry's Mod 2 will be using UE4
garry newman is a fucking nigger and gmod is barely modded hl2. 99% of of the work go to modders that created EVERY gamemode/map/addon and valve, who actually created the engine and gave him all the assets.
the reason why he's not using source 2 because he's a jew and doesn't want to give valve cut of the sales (50% of gmod sales go to valve).
yet he still calls modders "cunts" when he started as one and they're literally the only reason why he's relevant.

>>389954072
To be fair, gmod is full of cunt modders. Just look at DarkRP, Underdone, ACF, Gmod itself, anything touched by max, etc.

>>389936307
Oh no anon, valve didint gave up on paid mods, they said they will "fix" it and then try again