>known almost exclusively for making buggy shitty open world

>>389926419
Because morrowind was actually good, cause it was made for the PC audience
then console kiddies became the target and everything when downhill

They're shit, but they're fun.

>>389926419
Two words:
ADVERTISING BUDGET.

>>389926564
>Because morrowind was actually good
not really.

Prior to Oblivion, you got the feeling they genuinely gave a shit.

>>389926564
Morrowind was developed for the console crowd, though. It's the only reason Bethesda still exists.

>>389926419
Nobody makes games like them on the same scale, they basically have them by the balls

>>389926927
No, the menu systems in morrowind are all PC centric. They never did that in subsequent releases.
It was ported to xbox, not the other way around. Consoles are the cancer killing good video games, and then mobile will kill them.

>>389926419
Todd's charisma

>>389926927
This, the only reason TES is so popular is because Morrowind just so happened to be extremely popular with the console crowd.

>>389926564
You know that it's actually because normies love Skyrim and FO4 and buy them up like hot cakes. They don't give a fuck about Morrowind even if it's the last good game Bethesda made.
I even saw a dumb retard recently who thought Bethesda made Doom and other games they only published. Kill me.

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THE LEAKER SAID WE WOULD GET SOMETHING THIS WEEKEDN

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>>389927290
Next game is Game of Thrones shit

We won't be seeing a new Elder Scrolls until 2020

>>389926419
>disguised under the label RPG
I don't think you know what the term RPG means. TES are RPGs.

>still have a huge fanbase
Because they have a target that literally no-one else hits. Is this your first time thinking about something?

>>389926419
They gained a sizable fanbase after Oblivion came out on 360/PS3, which in return helped hyped Fallout 3. Somehow Skyrim became a majority of fans first TES/Bethesda game though.

Best modding scene and community that only mine craft could rival

>>389927389
I DONT EVEN CARE IF IT'S NOT ELDER SCROLLS, I JUST NEED A NEW GAME

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389927757
this desu.

You can find almost any kind of mods with their games. The overworlds are also reasonably large too.

>>389927165
Bethesda was fucking dying, Morrowind was their Final Fantasy. If they didn't double dip into the console market it was over, development was influenced by this. The UI is simplified as fuck too so I don't see how that's in support of your point. Every other game they've made has been an "improvement" informed by the success Morrowind had on console.

>>389927628
>I don't think you know what the term RPG means. TES are RPGs.

You're the one who doesn't know what an RPG is if you think Skyrim is one.

>>389926419
buggy shitty open world theme parks disguised under the label "RPG" Are fun thats why

>>389926419
Mods.

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>>389926419
Who else makes open world FP(S)RPGs.

Also modding, but I'm not sure how much longer that's going to stick.

>>389927863
>You're the one who doesn't know what an RPG is if you think Skyrim is one.
Feel free to prove that Skyrim isn't an RPG.

>>389926419
Only once who do it.

>>389927194
Do normies even know who Todd is?

>>389927757
But even with hundreds of mods their games are still boring as fuck and has tons of bugs.

>>389928313
Name one(1) developer who does it better.

>>389928346
You mean make constantly shit out dull as fuck open worlds "RPGs"? Probably none of them.

>>389928236
>no stats

There you go.

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>>389928425
>You mean make constantly shit out dull as fuck open worlds "RPGs"?
No I don't mean that. I mean make a better open world, fps centric, highly moddable rpg. I think your comprehension just shows how fucking dumb you are.

>pic related

>>389928603
>>no stats
>There you go.

1. It has stats.
2. An RPG (even tabletop) can exist without stats.

Try again.

>>389928754
>1. It has stats

Where? Str, Int etc aren't in the game anymore.

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>>389926564
>morrowind
>good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PcUQQOODv0

>>389927389
>Next game is Game of Thrones shit
When did this get announced?

>>389928627

They suck even with mods, m8.

>>389928835
>health
>magicka
>stamina
>weapon damage
>armour rating
>encumbrance rating
>all the skills

>>389928930
I am not disagreeing with you on that...seriously guy

>>389928865
brb, reinstalling

>>389929094
>health
>magic health
>running health
>health damaging
>health protecting
>health carrying

""""""""""""""""""""""""""stats""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>389929094
>>health>magicka>stamina>weapon damage>armour rating>encumbrance rating>all the skills

Those aren't stats.
That's like saying that Stalker is an rpg cause you have a health bar, stamina and weapons do damage.
Plus skills aren't stats, there's enough games that have perks and aren't rpgs.

>>389928835
You know, it really make you look totally autistic to try this hard
We understood you don't like it for some reasons, but why the fuck it can't be a RPG because you don't like it ? Keep it real faggot

>>389926419
They basically have a monopoly on what they're making.

>>389929175
>implying they aren't stats

>>389929249
They are stats, please define what you mean by stats then and how they are specifically required for an RPG to be an RPG.

>>389926419
Modders.
All of their games have been shitty half baked products, what makes them really fun is the potential for sandboxing and enriching the world with the creativity of modders.

I have almost 300 hours into Skyrim, which was only remotely possible because mods made it interesting and engaging to play.

>>389929287
Are you retarded? Me liking the game or not has nothing to do with whether the game is ab RPG.
Also a game being an RPG doesn't automatically make it good.
You're the autist here.

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>>389929249
>Huuuhh.. No.. These stats aren't stats.. They are skills.. This isn't my classical JRPG 5 stats combo, so it isn't a RPG !!!

>>389929352
Not the anon you've quoted but those aren't stats even by TES standards.

>>389929385
Pretty much this

Mods literally is the fucking life support for Bethesda and it's marketing. Forget about Skyrim on the console, it's completely forgotten, But the PC keeps trucking on with absolute autists like the game was released a few months ago. The work of other players, and the possibility to create a world of the shittiness of Bethesda is what gives them success.

>>389929352
They're not stats. Stats are attributes characters develop with time/levels that influence the character and the world around them like quest solving etc.
Health isn't a stat because it's something that is governed by stats in actual rpgs, same as mana, stamina and other things. Like Morrowind did.
Everything you listed aren't stats and have no influence on the game world.

>>389929492
You still can't explain why the fuck theses stats aren't stats expect sperging " THEY ARNT STAT"
Just stop pretending to be this retarded only to prove yourself something

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>>389929487
>gets BTFO
>resorts to hyperbole and shitposting
nu-/v/ ladies and gentlemen

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>>389926419
>enjoy heavily modded Bethesda games
>feel interest in returning to one
>remember the combat and quests so bad that modding cant fix it

>>389929690
So they're totally stats you fucktard

>>389929706
That was someone else you third world faggot.

>>389929795
>explain how they're not stats
>So they're totally stats you fucktard

Wow you really refuted my points.

They fill a niche that no one else really does

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>>389926419

>known almost exclusively for making buggy shitty
uh.. no?
that's the consensus here, on 4chan

have you ever heard of any normie talk about a bethesda game since FO3 was released?
bethesda literally cannot do anything wrong in their eyes

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>>389929742
>nu
>not being a newfag
Pick fucking one and go out

>>389929907
I take it english isn't your first language.

>>389928865
DELETE THIS

>>389926419

because some times people just want to walk around and do inane stuff in games with no time limits, running down timers and competitive gameplay

it's basically an equivalent of a wank compared to sex

>>389928865
yeah, now that I think about it. The fact that guards didn't even do their jobs in Morrowind sorta de-mystifies its god-hood status as the best RPG ever.

>>389926419
They're the only contemporary RPG developers that make games with a fully realised, living worlds, in the sense that nearly all named NPC's follow a daily schedule, have jobs, homes and have to physically travel between destinations in real time, they also allow more extensive modding of their games than practically any other developer and have a framework in place to allow you to seamlessly add and remove mods from an active save without completely fucking everything up.

Even the Witcher 3 which has an incredibly lifelike world still randomly generates its streetwalkers and has a tonne of static questgiving NPC's who just wait around forever for you to find them.

>>389926564
lmao the "Morrowind is good" meme needs to die

>>389926419
Most people just haven't seen better. But new Zelda, Witcher, Horizon definitely raised the bar for open world games, so I hope Todd at least will try to use a new engine. Also, fire all Beth writers, they are all talentless hacks even by game dev standards.

>>389926419
cause their games are fun and good. they let you live out the fantasy fantasy in a more visceral and up-front way than top-down crpgs like BG, their worlds are truly open sandboxes with total control over your character, unlike the witcher and other 'RPGs' where you can't even create your own character. though they have flaws, no one can really point out other game series like it.

>>389926419
Anon doesn't realize the Bethesda on the box matters more than the RPG.

Anon has a well thought out and lengthy description of what constitutes an RPG.

Total fucks given by the vast majority of players on anons well thought out and lengthy description....it is a big number...a big fat zero.

>>389926419
Two major reasons:

- No alternatives. No one makes highly moddable Bethesda-style games except Bethesda themselves.

- Some people like TES and Fallout lore for some reason.

>>389926564
>/v/ tells to tell me morrowind was actually good
>misses

>>389926419
Cause for some reason they are pretty much the only dev making first person open world sandbox RPG's.

>>389929617
Hell, people are still making mods for Morrowind and Oblivion.

>>389930914
Is this one of them bait posts I've heard so much about?

>>389934386
I'm doing one right now for Morrowind.
Well I did before it for some strange reason suddenly started crashing on startup.

>>389934417
No brainlets actually think this.

>>389934539
The Witcher 3 is about as boring a open would game as you can get. Nothing about it raised the bar. If anything it just cemented it.

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>>389926419

>>389934594
It was a Bioware tier game with better graphics and worse combat.

>have classes
>make them irrelevant because Todd is a tankmage faggot who thinks any character should be able to do every thing

boring as shit, just mod your skills and stats to 100 and skip the tedious, autistic beancounting bullshit game"play" system. oh boy i sure do love letting a rat bite me for 30 minutes to level up my armor skill or practice "haggling" by exchanging a 1 penny peanut with a merchant a few hundred times or pressing spacenar to JAMPU JAMPU JAAAAAMPU KANGAROO KNEE

>>389934679
Now with copy paste Ubisoft sandbox and BamHam vision for every quest so you don't have to think!

20/10 GOTY!

>>389926419
>Why?
normies
Did you miss the gutted abomination of a fallout that 4 was? That was done to appeal to even more normies.

>>389926419
There are zero games that do the same and zero people who attempt to do them.

>>389930842
>They're the only contemporary RPG developers that make games with a fully realised, living worlds, in the sense that nearly all named NPC's follow a daily schedule, have jobs, homes and have to physically travel between destinations in real time
This is true. Despite their flaws, the TES games feel like worlds you can actually "live" in. If you want to, you can make them into virtual life simulators in addition to fighting dragons and stuff.

>Even the Witcher 3 which has an incredibly lifelike world still randomly generates its streetwalkers and has a tonne of static questgiving NPC's who just wait around forever for you to find them.
To be fair, I'd rather have quest NPCs be static than have them constantly roaming around, blending in with the masses of generic NPCs, resulting in me missing them and their quests entirely.

>recently tried replaying Morrowind
>Couldn't get back into the combat
>Try to play the multiplayer stuff with a friend
>We both get lost in the Dwemer ruins looking for a stupid item, because everything looks the fucking same
>both of us decide to just drop the game for the night out of frustration
>Decided to see if Skyrim was still bad or if it was just me
>drop it because its shit
>Decide to play Oblivion instead
>Actually have a good time
>Combat actually is fun as a Sword and Shield guy
>Some aspects annoy me, but overall its fun
Why is Oblivion the only good Elder Scrolls game?

>>389926419

Because they're basically the only actual ROLE PLAYING games being made nowadays.
I can't actually fucking ROLE PLAY when I'm playing Geralt of Rivia that has his own full backstory and lore.

>>389934859
Skyrim is better than oblivion in every single way
Stop trying to fit in it's pathetic

>>389934908
Skyrim is trash compared to Oblivion.

>>389934859
Because you are a faggot contrarian.

>>389934973
And Oblivion is trash compared to Morrowind.

>>389934973
Sure thing contrarian

>>389934908
I tried to like Skyrim, seriously, I did. But I couldn't play the way I wanted too. I wanted to play a Two-handed swordsman in Skyrim (Because blocking in skyrim is 100% shit) and I couldn't stand how every single hit did basically fuck all, even to weak enemies. I played about 20 Hours the last time I played, and I don't think I've ever played a game for that long, and had almost no fun with it. I don't despise Skyrim, but I don't like it either. The only good thing Skyrim has over every other Elder Scrolls game is the mods.

>>389935014
The only thing Morrowind did better than Oblivion was the MQ.
The rest ranged from serviceable to complete and utter shit.
Don't have to tell anyone what was shit.

>>389934908
Oblivions side and faction quests were better than Skyrims.
You are correct it is better in every other aspect.

>>389934859
I guess I should also mention me and my friend agreed that Morrowind's setting and locale was the best, but just didn't feel good to play anymore.

>>389934662
reading this made me realise there are lots of people, even here, who played skyrim when they were twelve and it was one of the first if not the first rpgs they played, shit's fucked man

>>389935198
>The only thing Morrowind did better than Oblivion was the MQ.
And roleplaying, quest design, art style, themes, and gameplay.

There was thing oblivion did better and it was story for quests, which was still pretty shit but for TES standards were the best in the series. Oblivion pretty much just plays like Morrowind for Retards, and Skyrim pretty much plays like Oblivion for Retards.

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>>389935430

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>>389935430
I think my first was Dink Smallwood.

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>>389935572
haven't seen that one yet, thanks, that hurt
have this in return

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>>389935872

>>389935452
Quest design?
Do random things until you are in charge + You must be this tall to ride the ride.
Absolute shit tier design.

Art style?
You mean Yurts,dead crabs,fungus towers, and buildings with all the functionality of a warehouse and half the charm?

Gameplay?
Like having the detect spells show up not on screen ala Skyrim,nor the mini map but on the map in the menu screen?

Nostalgia is a helluva drug gramps.

They're fun.
Being buggy and clunky is unironically a part of their charm.

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>>389935772
The first I played was fallout, but I was like 6 and didn't know english so didn't do much. first I finished was Deus Ex I think
>>389935934

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>>389936068
What is it about Skyrim and Fallout 4 that just brings out the shit taste? All i think of when i think of Skyrim is swinging a sword that may as well be a wooden stick at someone until they ragdoll

>>389935940
>Do random things until you are in charge + You must be this tall to ride the ride.
Which you can actually fuck up and have to think a bit for yourself to solve instead of just following the compass marker.
>You mean Yurts,dead crabs,fungus towers, and buildings with all the functionality of a warehouse and half the charm?
Yes.
>Like having the detect spells show up not on screen ala Skyrim,nor the mini map but on the map in the menu screen?
You mean not having an annoying fucking blurry purple mist that makes you never want to use the fucking spell in the first place?

>Nostalgia is a helluva drug gramps.
I wouldn't know. My first TES game was Oblivion, then I played Skyrim. then I played Morrowind.

>>389926419
No competition.

>>389930906
it was good, you're just a retard

there's few games in existence with the level of law and environmental diversity of Morrowind, the combat wasn't great, but everything else was

>>389936230
as stated in my first post, literally babby's first rpg. it was the same way with morrowind and oblivion but those games had some good quests in them, skyrim was the first to be actually popular thanks to advertising and streamlining, fallout 3 and 4 are just results of brand loyalty, for these people an rpg is a video game in creation engine where you can go to lots of different places and use your weapon on hostiles

>>389936239
>Which you can actually fuck up
how do you fuck up a quest in a bethesda game?

>>389936239
How do you fuck up MMO tier quests?

Too each his own I guess.

Yes having detect spells be useful is something I would consider good design.

>>389935772
Well that's a blast from the past.

>>389936504
>>389936569
In Morrowind, kill the quest NPC/target, accidentally sell/displace a quest item, do a quest that "disables" another quest. lower your reputation enough for certain NPC's not to want to talk to you.

>>389936835
didn't realise you were talking about morrowind, sorry I'm just here to shitposta about skyrim

>>389936835
Yes they fixed the NPC quest giver and sellable quest items in later games.

You could charm the NPCs you had a low rep with iirc.
I am guessing it falls into the every flaw is a feature category for you.

One point.
I am glad the escort quest NPCs were killable.
I would take the fail over the aggravation every time.

>>389937521
>Yes they fixed the NPC quest giver and sellable quest items in later games.
Which is just sad. The best way to fix it would be to add like a icon to quest items and a Morrowind style "by killing this NPC you fucked something up" instead of forcing me to carry around 5 quest items I don't want and never allowed me to have any fun while playing an evil/assassin type character.

You know what Morrowind did to stop you from killing a character? They gave him a overpowered amulet that made him incredibly hard to kill, but if you still managed to do it you yourself could claim that amulet as your price.
>You could charm the NPCs you had a low rep with iirc.
I know, I wasn't saying all of them were permanent.
>I am guessing it falls into the every flaw is a feature category for you.
No. but removing features because you are too lazy to improve in them is bad game design.

>>389937921
Meant ring not amulet. Duh.

>>389926419
They've been making open world RPGs longer than anybody and they've always made the best ones, so it's not that surprising that they're well respected in the industry.

>>389937921
By the time you are level 20 or so nothing is a challenge.
Helseth took more time because of his ring but he and his guards never got me below 50%.
That was the toughest fight they could come up with.
Oh and the Bosmer that had all the hit points.

>>389926419

no competition

>>389938476
>>389936274
This guys get it.

And no CDPR does not make the same kind of games.

>>389939041
>And no CDPR does not make the same kind of games.
Indeed. I have no idea why so many people think Witcher 3 is directly comparable to Skyrim, such that you don't need Skyrim for anything if you have Witcher 3. And for all their faults, at least Bethesda did actually release the Creation Kit, while CDPR promised to release their modding tools and then went back on that promise.

>>389926419

>actually playing the free included side story in your anime porn engine

who does this?