I just beat Suikoden 1 and 2 this week. They were both great.

5 is the closest to 1 and 2, 3 is good not as good as 1 and 2, 4 is the worst one of them all only play if you really love the series.

>>389922123

i tried to get into 3. personally i thought it was weird, but to my own fault i never gave it a chance because i didn't put the time into it

people consider 4 to be trash, but i enjoyed it

never played 5, but i heard it was really good

sadly that's as far as suikoden goes, i wouldn't bother with the spinoff games

too much betrayals in 5
it really was as close as 1 and 2 though
accidentally finished 4 early too that was neat. characters turned into drawings. what made it so bad was just the engine i guess. it was fine
3 was just too slow for being such a big game with multiple protags

>>389923151
Everything about 3 is far too slow. Every random battle takes forever.

5 was just as fast as the first two.

>>389923151
I just couldn't stand world travel in 4 that fucking boat was slow as fuck, that and only 4 man parties sucks considering there's 108 fucking characters

3-5 are complete shit,

>>389922123
5 is good, but it literally takes 13 hours before things finally get going. Slowest build up in a jrpg ever.

3 is a love or hate game, 4 is the weakest and 5 is really good. Only play 4 if you really like the series or just skip it and play 5.

>>389923487
God help you if you miss one of the many very touchy Stars of Destiny in V. Don't choose the wrong dialog option or you might have to get through the 20 hour intro again!

>>389923487
>Slowest build up in a jrpg ever
is persona 5

>>389923886
Man I was so mad when I found out that I missed out on Clive in 2 because I didn't see the event in Muse. Apparently the best ending wasn't that great though. There are even stricter recruitments in 5? Fuck

we're all in pretty close agreement. 3 is slow as fuck, one of those games that are so proud to be rendered in 3d it makes the maps too big, movement too slow, loading too slow, fadeouts too slow, effects too long etc etc. it starts grating on you, but when i went to give it another try last year expecting all of that, i enjoyed it despite all that.

4 is pretty much a spinoff and not a great one. by far the worst out of the 5.

5 is relly really good. it's also closest in tone to 1&2.

>>389924259
didn't have the 2d sprite loadings? should've done it that way. or they probably were planning to but then went 3d because it's ps2

>>389924346
>3

also 4 was almost similar to 2 in a sense that they were once friends too. if i remember they also had a buddy attack

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V had the biggest tits and the most naked Jeanne.

>>389924464
Lun > Kissara

How is Tierkreis?

>>389925732
It's shit. Play the undub version if you really want to try it or you'll get easily annoyed by the English dub. They sped up the voice over.

>>389925612
Maybe, but Lun's tits are bout half the size.

>>389925993
Kisara is used goods though.

>>389924259

such a fucking accurate description of 3 its sad.

I played 1 & 2 back in the day when they were released but lost interest in 2 after certain things happen. But picked up 2 again years later and loved it. Tried 5 when it came out and hated it, same with 3 when it came out. However, I tried 5 again a long time later when I was seriously starved for something new to play and it was pretty decent. Went back and played through 3 and its just so not worth it unless youre seriously desperate for more suikoden, the music, menus, UI and sound effects were okay. Too fucking afraid to try 4 but I heard tactics was decent.

Fuck I miss this series, miss grandia, lunar and skies of arcadia too

>>389926110
So am I. I'd prefer someone who can at least match my level of experience, ffssmhtbhfam.

>>389925732
>>389925910
Better question: How's Tactics?

>>389926142
Lunar, Grandia, and Skies of Arcadia had one good game each, Suikoden has at least 2 and a half.

>>389926142
played tactics a bit. weird choice for character models. but suikoden rune mechanics are still there. it's not bad unless you're not used to tactics

>>389926142
>grandia, lunar and skies of arcadia
Mah nigga. Too bad Grandia 3 was pretty shit outside of the gameplay. Lunar 2 and SoAL were both fantastic. Some series are better off dead though ;_;

>want to replay 5
>emulate it
>never ending 'NOW LOADING'
Fuck I completely forgot how PS2 gaming was shit

>>389926510
Can't you just turbo through the loading screens?

>>389926641
>enter store
>now loading
>exit store
>now loading
>enter next door
>now loading
I should turbo though the whole game

>>389926964
it's fine when jrpg does it.
how long are the load times btw? just frameskip it

3 is okay, just know that it's not a high budget game
4 is whatever, and 5 is good

>>389922123
>tfw you live in a timeline where Suikoden slowly dies after 2
>tfw you will never see a 1 and 2 remake on the PS4

>>389927564
But I liked the 2D sprites in 1 and 2

>>389926242
NEVER played it, but heard it's alright.

Guess I'm literally the only one who found Suikoden 5 to be incredibly pandering. It's like the developer tried too desperately to win back the audience by essentially making Suikoden 2 but in 3d and with unnecessary fanservice.

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>>389922823
S5 plays it way too safe. I mean, I can't really blame them after S4 but good god it feels like a rehash of everything that worked and nothing really original except changing the strategic battles to real-time with pause for some reason.

>>389928074
What makes Suikoden 5 a carbon copy of Suikoden 2? The only related thing I noticed is that how they tried to make Childerich the next Luca Blight.

>>389928074
>pandering
>fanservice
which were? i don't recall.

If I wanna do the I+II thing, how glued to a guide am I gonna have to be? I've heard horror stories about missing party members; there are some in this very thread.

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>>389928074
I know I wanted to strangle Lyon and not in the sexual way. 5 is the only Suikoden to really lean on the waifu angle and I couldn't stand that.

>>389928149
Is that Ted in the Suikoden IV panel?

>>389928149
at least 4 had character portraits and fighting stances.
3 just standing in battle heh
don't remember how the naval battle/war gameplay is on 4

>>389928273
Miakis was much more annoying than Lyon. She reminded me of Katy t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m.

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>>389927775
First two, especially Suikoden 2, look really good even to this day. Nice big sprites tend to do that.

>>389928392
They were both awful. I felt sorry for Georg, having to be in such a place.

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>that feel when no one except me likes my Suikodenfu.

>>389926510
emulation is easy mode. imagine disk reading that shit.

>>389928220
I got by with occasionally checking the recruitment guides on Suikosource. There are only a handful of tricky recruitments that you have to look out for

can someone give me a gestalt on what makes sooeykoden fun? i've been playing a lot of ps1 emulated games this month and have heard good things about it, only issue I am not a fan of turn based combat.

>>389922123
Were you playing them both at the same time or what? Or like did you finish one, and then start 2 right after and finish it in a week? Shit, I can't even finish a bullshit Mega Man game or something in a week any more, I'm jealous.

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>>389928273
suikoden always had waifus it's just that games were never about that.

>>389928578
It's Game of Thrones in jrpg form.

>>389928607
First Suikoden is around 20 hours which is really short by JRPG standards so it's a good JRPG starting point if you want to dip your toes.

>>389926264
I like both Lunar's on the Sega CD, and the Playsta ports were good too, I thought. RIP In Peace Working Designs. Grandia 1 is the only game I've ever played that gave me motion sickness for some reason too, I can't explain it, but I can't play that game at all.

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i'll fight you

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Is Sierra considered the normie choice?

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>>389928463
Suikoden 2 sprites was god tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eknQpws2Pak

>>389922123
I think 3 is getting hard done by here. The plot and characters are pretty damn solid and it's the only mainline game that plays around with the series formula.

Sure, the pacing is off, the music is bad and the gameplay is a mix of good (skills) and bad (buddy system) but it's still a good game.

It tried harder than 4 or 5 and it deserves credit for that.

>>389928954
By people who haven't played Gaidens. She's a happily married woman.

>>389922123
3 has the worst exploration, but it has awesome characters, lots of true runes, great tactical battles and a lot of fan service and great writing.

4 has a lot of forgettable characters and a mediocre story.

5 has great characters, the story is interesting, but the exploration is mediocre and I never liked the protagonist.

>>389928578
Instead of assembling a JRPG party on your personal airship you assemble a goddam army in your personal castle. Then select your JRPG party from them.

>>389928292
Yes

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>>389930413
3 would've been amazing had it gotten realized properly. The way it is you can tell they had to-reuse assets across three scenarios and not to mention the visuals were very janky seeing as Konami obviously didn't splurge on it and game was released early in PS2's lifetime. I almost wish it was story about the Flame Champion and Firebringers. It's almost like a missing Suikoden story we hear about in the game.

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>>389928149
>S5 plays it way too safe. I mean, I can't really blame them after S4 but good god it feels like a rehash of everything that worked and nothing really original except changing the strategic battles to real-time with pause for some reason.

5 added several things.
>vastly superior tactical battles, best in the series by far
>formations
>liking point system (the dialogue options you pick can make people like or dislike you, resulting in earlier recruitment for example)
>etc

Calling it safe is pretty dumb when the jump between 1 and 2 was far more safe.

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>>389930413
>suikoden 3
>great tactical battles

Ignore anyone that says this. They're trash. Worst in the series.

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>the only suikoden game not on PS Store is Suikoden 5

>>389930884
Konami has been taking their sweet time with that shit. How long did it take for 2 to end up on PSN? I've lost count how many years I've been seeing people asking for it.

>>389930772
far more consistent and less random bullshit than 2's tactical battles

>>389930629
That's debatable, anon.

>>vastly superior tactical battles, best in the series by far
Like I said I don't like the change to real-time and would prefer my Fire Emblem-like take. I will agree that S5 has the most actual battles where what you do matters, though. S2 in particular was mostly game taking over with maybe two battles where your input was important, for example.

>>formations
From what I remember I used them a grand total of three times. Your party composition matters far more.

>>liking point system (the dialogue options you pick can make people like or dislike you, resulting in earlier recruitment for example)
I frankly don't remember this at all, but if it is like that's just gamey shit of "pick the best answer".

>>389931119
The tactical battles were definitely the worst part of 2, even if around half of them were scripted

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>>389930413
You're forgetting this is the game that featured the worst JRPG protagonist of all time.

>>389931483
well one thing i like about hugo is that he made vaan better

>>389931119
>far more consistent and less random bullshit than 2's tactical battles

That's not saying much. The only games with good tactical battles were 4 and 5. 1 was basically just a non-factor, not annoying but not challenging either.

>>389931214
>I frankly don't remember this at all, but if it is like that's just gamey shit of "pick the best answer".

That's because it was never directly told to you, but made your choices matter. There's more to it than you think.
How many of these JRPGs that have choices actually matter? How many can you think of?

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScq4DmwSwvfBUp-yAJx9nX3X5wX7VxNx1vmYqjAt6nbarlfiQ/viewform?formkey=dHNyekU5M2lUWmRsZGx1LUd4WWd2QUE6MQ#gid=0

It alters more than you think and it's not always obvious since different characters react differently to your choices, so one character gains points from one choice, another from another choice, etc.

But you've already conceded to my 3 points.
Calling 5 lazy or boring is dumb, it returned to form (from 3 that is extremely different from the rest of the series and 4 that did so many things poorly) and added several improvements and new stuff. As I said, far more than between the jump of 1 to 2.

>>389922123
1 and 2 are utter garbage mate. The only good thing about them are the sprites, everything else is awful.
Writing? shit
Music? shit and full of bugs
Level design? shit
Gameplay? shit and full of bugs
Translation? shit and full of glitched/incomplete lines

As a Euro I had to wait like 12 years before I could finally play S3, which I was still traumatized over for having its EU release cancelled after so many delays.

Once they finally released it on PSN, I immediately got it, and... stopped playing after like 10 minutes. It's impossible to deal with how slow everything is. At least without any nostalgia goggles for it. But even then, 1 and 2 are still super snappy compared to 3. Don't know how well 5 holds up speedwise on a minute to minute basis, just that it takes longer to get your castle than it takes to 100% Suikoden 1.

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>>389933227
>1 and 2 are utter garbage
how to spot the shitter: easy mode

>>389928578
when game of thrones first started it was basically western suikoden to me. GoT is more gratuitous, but a medival fantasy setting that's more about the politics and characters is what set suikoden apart from other jrpgs.

>>389933418
5 is slow too, but not for the same reasons as 3. iirc it's the longest game in the series and feels a bit padded at times. still loved it tho.

anyone else like last story for the wii? i got some suikoden vibes from the world, and one of the characters is basically Euram Barrows.

>>389925732
Surprisingly a good DS game. Actually it always and still does impress me how much content they were able to shove into a DS game. But just don't expect any sort of challenge.

My replay of Suikoden 3 made me appreciate it a lot more. It certainly wasn't 1 or 2 but I really liked it on the replay. First time was kind of a slog though it's true. I beat 4 cause I'm a huge fan of the series, I can barely remember the shoe-horned villain or much of the story beyond going through the true runes past owners. I really wanted to like 5 but stopped at Belcoot's tournament. Something about the game felt off and I still don't know what it is about the game I don't like, but I don't like it.

>>389922123
Played 5 first long ago, it was really good.

The only downside is i think, its easy to get lost, those encounter and battle get more boring as you trying to find your way. I'd often fall asleep in this situation.

>>389922123
Suikoden 1 and 2 are the best of the franchise.
You try to keep the series in high regards by trying to pretend 3-5 didn't exist, because they're shit and they'll never be anything like 1 or 2.

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Suikoden I and II were just an absolute joy to play.

Great world, shame it'll probably never be touched again.

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>>389933227

>>389936224
Vampire waifu a cute

>>389936224
I daydreamed a lot about Sierra.
Different scenarios based on her past and how she was bullied by hunters and her shameful past that made her look like a damsel in distress.
She's no longer weak and can kill those people now that she's a powerful vampire that knows how to use her blood line, but deep down she's still a lonely person.
Ryou being one of the few that made her open herself to others, helped her fight off her loneliness.

>out of the blue suikoden thread again this month
Man I really miss this series.
Tierkreis wasn't that bad for a DS Suikoden and Woven Web of a Century is better than your average PSP JRPG but not that really deserving of that Suikoden Title.

>tfw want to read all lore and story for all game but can't bring myself to try finishing 3, 4 and 5
Reading suikosource is closest i can get feelsfuckingbadman

Oh fuck a Suikoden thread, let the shit posting begin.
I personally rank them 3>2>5>1>4.
I think 3 is the best, especially if you've played 1 and 2 and can kind of see how they play into the building up of the story. 5 is also good, but a very very slow game to start and at times you'll sometimes go up to almost an hour without really doing anything other than a few steps to cut scenes. Also, the games OP characters are all beavers.
4 looks terrible I would say, the travelling on the world map is super slow and boring until you get Viki. They fucked up the battle system to 4 people instead of the classic 6. The strategy battles, though never very hard in any game, are straight up rock-paper-scissors. If you can find 4 cheap, maybe give it a gander, but it is literally the black sheep of the family, and it is also so far removed from the timeline as to be inconsequential to the over-arching plot of the other 4.

>>389937623
All you need to know is there are 27 True Runes that bring balance to the universe, have immense power and make you immortal. The leader of the bad guys behind all the games is the Holy Harmonia Empire, and everything that happens essentially is caused by them trying to get the runes.

>>389937812
Haven't played a Suikoden game but why does it sound like the Trails series, just change a few words in your sentence.

>>389937908
It's like almost every JRPG ever, almost every fictitious fantasy story.
>Evil Empire wants to control the world with it's overwhelming power.

>>389937908
All you need to know is there are 7 Sept-Terrions that are gifts from the goddess, have immense power and can control all the elements. The leader of the bad guys behind all the games is the Ouroboros, and everything that happens essentially is caused by them trying to get the Sept-Terrions.

>get half way through 1
>have to stop playing for a few months
>don't remember the story
>don't want to play the 1st half again
Backlogged eternally.

>>389938343
It takes like 18 hours to 100% 1.
You could finish that game in a weekend, easily.

>>389938863
People are fucking lazy bro.

What is the best version to play for the first game?

>>389939116
PSN

>>389922123
I don't liked 3 enough. Didn't know about 4 & 5.

>>389937908
Trails let you play as lovesick bimbo while Suikoden let you play as autist ruler.

>>389939190
Thanks

>>389937908
That's exactly why everyone compares Kiseki to Suikoden. The only major difference is that Suiko is more """weeb""".

>>389939701
guess i can't speak much since i only played trails 1, but that one didn't have anything that reminded me of suikoden. it was more like an animu roadtrip, liek the part before you get an airship only the game just ended instead.

>>389928220
General tip: Don't kill anybody, even Milich when Gremio dies

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Why were the other games so different to 1 and 2?

And I don't mean the transition to 3D, like the story and characters.

3 could have been good if it wasn't just running through the same areas over and over. It's a 10 hour game you have to play through 3-4 times

The changes to combat were dumb too, with the partner system or whatever it was

Music was pretty boring compared to 1-2

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I was like 8 or 9 when I played these games and these 2 guys awoke my homosexuality

>>389939701
>more """weeb"""
> than Trails

does not compute
Suikoden is totally Westaboo. The whole franchise idea is taking a Chinese story, JRPG mechanics, and just slathering D&D stuff all over it.

>>389928220
Playing blind you will not get the true end. S1 has a lategame recruit [moustache!] that's insane, S2 is worse. Accept it. The true endings aren't actually better, and being spoiled is shit for this series. I used a guide for my S5 run and wish I hadn't

>>389936224
I thought this was an odd trio at first. Then I remembered that all are true rune holders and don't age like the others.

Kinda sad...

>>389945026
>the entire game consists of OHOHOHOHODESUWA'ing ojous, dog people, siscon characters, etc
>not weeb