Nintendo making an Achievment system for Switch

>>389800297
Monkey Paw

>>389800297
There's literally nothing wrong with Achievements.

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Now you can show everyone online how great you are at bing bing wahoo

>>389800297
About time!

CHEEVOS BRAH

>>389800297
Hows it that a bad thing?

I liked when Sony introduced Trophies.

>>389800297
This is actually good. Nintendo games have no play value beyond the story. It's one reason I started buying more PS games over Nintendo games.

>>389800551
There's nothing right with them either.

>>389800551
>Get 5 kills
>Get 50 kills
>Get 50000000000000000 kills!

>>389800551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Bb64RMU2Q

/v/ will literally bitch about the smallest thing that Nintendo decides to do.

>>389800297
Nintendo has no achievement system
>Nintendo sucks

Nintendo introduces an achievement system
>Nintendo sucks

Both answers are correct. Nintendo does suck.

>>389800909
>achievements are content

oooh boy

>>389800297
watch them magically flip flop on having achievement / trophy in the next few hours

I'll just turn that shit off.

>>389800967
It adds good replay value and for those who like grinding they can do the the autistic trophies/achievments

>>389800972
It's optional. Why are you complaining retard? No one is forcing you to do them. And some games have good achievement systems.

>>389801107
No, but they give you something to do. BOTW has a lot of side quests, but they're no worth doing. However, with achievements, they do.

>>389801069
but does Nintendo suck good?
Because I got a hard on like you wouldn't believe

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>>389801132
There are plenty of Nintendo games that have already had in-game achievement systems. All this does it make them universal.

>>389801197
What do achievments do besides making my e-penis bigger?

>>389800967
It adds proof that you've played the game.

They're going to not honor games like zelda that you have already completed and you'll have to collect all 600 koroks again.

>>389801336
Give you something to do and compare with friends. So exactly like an e-penis.

>>389801173
>It adds good replay value
More like it kills replay value prematurely because people don't want to play beyond that Platinum in most cases despite the fact that a platinum doesn't even account for 100%.

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>Some games on the Xbox 360 have you avatar items for certain games (Mainly exclusives) by getting specific achievements
I like achievements implemented this way

>>389801345
This you can see how many faggots dropped a game at some point

>90 % cleared the prologue
>40% defeated the first boss

>>389801467
This, really. By the time I platinum a game (if I bother) I basically never want to play the game again.

In fact, if a game forces multiple playthroughs for a platinum, that alone really sours the experience for me.

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>>389800297
>a thread on 4chan about a twitter screencap of a neogaf bot account scraping a neogaf thread about a reddit screencap

>>389801467
>Game has no trophies
>Finish the game within 8 hours
>No reason to keep on playing, so I stop
>Game has trophies
>Platinum it after 28 hours
>Stop playing it then

How is that hard to understand?

>>389800297
>>389800551
Is it optional for developers? I remember some behind-the-scenes video where one guy said [Microsoft/Sony] wouldn't approve their game unless they put in achievements/trophies. I'd hate having to shoehorn achievements into a game I was making in order for it to simply make it to the storefront.

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>Mass Effect and Dead Rising.
>Getting an achievement unlocks ingame perks

Why didn't more games follow this route?

>>389801759
And in reality
>Game has no trophies
>replay and still feel like there's something to find
>Game has trophies
>run down the checklist
>never play again when finished

How is that hard to understand?

>>389801916
The trophy option will give me more playtime. Simple as that.

>>389801778
I remember that was the case with Monster Hunter Portable 3rd on PS3.
It along with not helping with the attempted localization is the reason why there was a lot of tension between the MH team and Sony until now.

>>389801759
>Game has no trophies
>Finish the game
>Continue to do optional stuff of my own choosing afterward if I really enjoy the game

>Game has trophies
>Conditions are all terribly arbitrary, grindy, and mostly crap nobody would ever really want to do of their own accord
>Forced difficulty settings. Forced online. Forced multiple playthroughs
>Takes 130 hours of repetative, unfun shit to plat a game that's only 20 hours long.

Sorry, trophies are cancer. Yes, they're optional for people who don't care about completionism, but for people who like to check shit off, they're a goddamn plague.

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Nintendo keeps copying the worst part of their competitors products but refuses to copy their modern online networks or graphics, the only things worth copying.

>>389801197
That getting a achievement at the end makes something that "not worth doing" suddenly worth it is complete nonsense.

This is some 0 + 1 = 2 shit.

>>389800297
>He doesn't remember stamps
Sure not every game, but some like Mario Kart 8 seemed to use them as pseudo-achievements

>>389802031
Wasn't there also an issue with servers or something?
Also MHW isn't exactly exclusive, at least it's not outside of Japan.

>>389801778
If I was making a game, basically all the trophies would be unmissable and done pretty much automatically in one playthrough. That way people who continue to play would be doing so completely because they want to.

>>389801345
Do you have like a degenerative brain condition that affects your memory?

>>389802240

Stamps were usually easy, though. I think the only immediate exceptions I can remember are a handful of Wii Sports Resort and Nintendoland minigames, and admittedly some of those latter challenges were hard as fuck.

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>>389802163
>Achievements
>The worst part of their competitors

>>389800297
I've heard nothing about this. There's a direct that's rumored to air in a few days, so who knows.

>>389802006
You're given a finite list of things to do as opposed to going at your own leisure in other words when that's done the game feels done as opposed to going through the game and doing the optional content not associated with that checklist.
In other words it's cutting your play time.

>>389802301
>Wasn't there also an issue with servers or something?
That falls under attempted localization. It had something to do with the Ad hoc party thing but the west had no equivalent for that and Sony refused to help with it.

>>389801825
This. dead rising's ingame unlocks were GOAT

>introduces achievement system
>months later after console is released
>games already released will probably get no support
Sometimes Nintendo's autism is able is to surprise me

>>389802385
Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and X had in-game Achievement systems as well, and those weren't merely cosmetic or E-penor comparison. Each Achievement nailed got you items and EXP. Not sure that's an entirely good thing for all games though.

>>389802662
Your autism doesn't surprise me, as this is the same thing that happened on my PS3. Trophies had to be retroactively added into games.

>>389802791

Did X achievements give you any rewards? I think that was just filling in the encyclopedia and map. Plus there were like 700 achievements and most of them were generic "Slay X/Y/Z amount of monsters" for every species.

>>389800297
>i get mad at something that is irrelevant and doesn't affect me at all
You know you can ignore the achievements, right?

>>389802387
literally no one cares about a video game achievement except someone with autism

>>389802931
Quite a few early games didn't get them either.

>>389801916

sounds like you have autism and dont actually care about the games you play

for fuck's sake let me disable it
not even steam lets you disable achievement pop-ups

>>389803523
This coming from someone defending achievements?

>>389803795

No, anonymous isn't a username.

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>Why can't Nintendo be more like Sony/Microsoft?
>Stop being like Sony/Microsoft Nintendo!

>>389803523
>needs achievements to continue playing a game
>says someone else doesn't care
Sometimes I forget that Neo-/v/ isn't just a meme.

>core features of consoles have to been patched n later
Why is this the age we live in? I hope they at least get the Virtual Console in there.

>>389804191
>if you arent x then youre y

stupid

>>389804230
>Achievements
>Core feature
You were born in 2000 weren't you?

>>389803013
>t. autist

Good. The only real change will be that you can check them outside of the game anyway, even fucking DS games like Pokemon B2W2 had "achievements".

>>389804562
I own B2. What "achievements" does it have???

>>389800551
trophies are what's retarded.

>>389804649
The fucking medals.

Lichtspeer is really shit on the Switch. It should really be a 99 cent-$1.99 app instead of $9.99. I would rather hear them discuss how they're fixing the game instead

>>389804649
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Medals_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2

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>>389801069
>>389804113
Brainlets

You know you can just ignore achievements if you dislike them so much, right?

>>389800297
There's literally nothing wrong with achievements

>I-It's not OK when Nintendo does it!!!

>>389804230
>Core feature
>only been a part of consoles for two gens now
>had to be patched into the PS3
How young are you?

>>389804769
You know you can just write up your own achievements and self-enforce them if you like them so much, right?

>>389804682
>>389804748
I don't even remember this. I thought the poster I was replying to was thinking of the shit in XY.

>>389804870
But then I can't show everyone online.

>>389804892
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Medals_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y
XY did the same shit, if you're trying to say it didn't.

>>389804870
I don't care for achievements though. Stop being autistic.

>>389804990
No, I'm saying I thought he was referencing that.

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and this affects games how?
remember that you can just ignore them without lossing gameplay

>>389800297
Just turn off the notifications and stop bitching.

>>389804947
Hackers ruined that idea from the get-go, anyway.

>>389804663
They are literall the same thing, Carlito

>>389802367
I had a friend once who claimed to have completed a game and told me it was shit, yet his achievement list showed that he had only finished the opening segment.

He's referring to those type of people.

It's bad when Nintendo does it!

ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: CONNECT AN AMIIBO

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>Beat a superboss in the 90s.
>Get some useless trinket to show you've beaten it.
>This is okay.

>Beat a superboss today.
>Get some useless trinket to show you've beaten it.
>reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>389805073
>and this affects games how?
Morons think the inclusion of achievements affects game development somehow, when in reality they're largely used by the devs for statistical purposes.

>>389805403
It's not the same thing, achievements are for normiefags

>>389805515
They're both meaningless "You did x!" stickers. There's no difference.

>>389805515
"achievements" back in the day used to get you new shit to play with or cheat codes. What does it get you now? epeen cred?

>>389805515
Video games are for normalfags you dumb autist.

>>389805461
No DeShawn, they are largely used because Sony and Microsoft don't accept games without trophies/achievements

There's nothing wrong with it as long as they are easy to ignore. I have all achievement notifications disabled on xbox so I forgot the last time I even earned one. Nintendo should give you the same option.

>>389805403
They weren't the strongest items in the game, but they had some use. Others were pretty useful, like the unlocks in Goldeneye for beating different levels and difficulties fast enough. The modern achievement systems are just checkboxes on your out-of-game profile.

>>389805653
Now you get literally nothing

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What will Nintendo call thier achievements?

I'm thinking milestones or awards

>>389805853
>JoyPoints
>Nintendo Coins
>Trophii

Eh. Like anything they have their pros and cons. They can encourage players to try new parts of games,and are optional which are good,(plus it's proof that someone did at least beat the gamr or something). The problem stem with their implementation (IMO, online and multiplayer trophies have got to go), and how those can be lost to time or how some devs don't bother giving any other rewards besides them.

I mean, high scores aren't necessary and were used for bragging purposes for many games, but they still exist.

>>389800297
Working on useless achivements rather than finding a solution for people to back up their switch game saves... fucking nintendo man..

>>389805853
Wahoos

>>389805853
Bingbings

>>389805853
>milestones
Family-friendly Nintendo would avoid that, for fear of "stoned" jokes. Awards could work, but some other game network could already be using that.

>>389805853
Achiibos

So if you've already played a game will you get these achievements? I doubt it. That just shows how rushed the Switch was.

>>389806038
>Stoned jokes
Nigger you what.

>>389805853
Participation awards.

They need to cater to their audience, after all.

>>389805713
>they are largely used because Sony and Microsoft don't accept games without trophies/achievements
And most game devs are fine with this because they can turn around and use achievement-related statistics to see which parts of their game (e.g. features, modes) people actually bothered with so they know how to better prioritize their development time on future titles.

You dope.

>>389806081
I don't remember getting them retroactively unlocked on my PS3 so probably not.

>>389800297
can't wait for Nintendo fags to eat another piece of shit that's been out for years on other platforms
>>389800551
well that didn't take long.

>>389802152
Second this. If a game relies on extrinsic value like achievements, rather than intrinsic value like good game design, the game can fuck right off.

There is nothing wrong with achievements, except they should only be given for beating the game (so you know if someone beat it) or really difficult stuff, like 1cc ones for shoot em ups or challenge runs.

It's also funny looking at the stats for steam ones because it shows you the percentage of shitters that quit.

>>389806079
Achiivos

>>389805853
Medals

>>389802152
>Finish the game
>Continue to do optional stuff of my own choosing afterward if I really enjoy the game
There's nothing keeping you from applying the same to games with achievements. It sounds like you're just autistic about pointless shit.

>>389806151
No DeShawn, they are fine with this because they need to eat

>>389805853
Ingame Missions. My Nintendo is already doing cheevos with their mobile games anyway.

>>389806464
I'm just a completionist type player. But the problem is that most of the time trophies add in a bunch of arbitrary stupid shit that doesn't really add anything or contribute to in-game completion, but rather just pads out play time and forces you to do a bunch of shit that nobody would want to do.

>>389800297
If you don't like them so much just turn the notifications off. That's what I've done on my PS4 and my 360. I even disabled the steam ingame overlay to avoid the notifications. Unless Nintendo are big idiots (which they often are) there should be a toggle for the popups.

>>389805853
Accomplishments

>>389806525
I guess if that's how your simple mind comprehends it, sure.

Although your reasoning doesn't explain why some devs add achievements to Steam-only releases, when it's completely optional.

Literally every other platform has them, Playstation, Xbox, Steam and Google Play
it's only bad when Nintendo does it

A fair few Nintendo games already have/had achievables.
Like Pokemon Black 2 and White 2.
And Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia.

>>389802367
For other people to see you moron, some faggot (like you) could be saying this and that about a game they claimed to have played and own legit and don't even have the obvious easy to get achievement that corresponds to what they are bullshitting about.

>>389800297
i think achievements are fine as long as they aren't shit like "turn on the game" or "kill 50 trillion enemies" and are actually well designed challenges.
gives me a reason to keep playing a bit longer

>>389806976
I've always said they were bad from the beginning, on every platform. Sorry I haven't kept you apprised.

>>389806976
>other companies churn them out
>this results in games being casualized clickbait garbage

>Nintendo follows suit
>anon can't comprehend how this could turn out

>>389800972
>Final Fantasy
I've 100% 3,4,7,8,9,10 and they had shit like this.

Fuck these types of achievements.

>>389805853
Didn't they have Stamps for Miiverse on the WiiU for completing certain actions?
Gimme that.
Call them Stamps.
I want digital stamp collecting now because that's all achievements really are.

>>389804859
>>389804457
>have been standard since 2008
>console launched earlier this year
Did the Xbone and PS4 not launch with achievements?

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>>389800297
You fuckers were complaining that there was no achievement system when the Switch first released but now it's a bad thing? Fuck off.

>>389806712
>I'm just a completionist type player.
So like I said, you're just autistic about pointless shit. I get where you're coming from, I like taking a competitionist mentality towards certain games too, but when it comes to multiplayer-based achievements I just ignore them.

There's no need to waste your time doing something you dislike, you might as well not even be playing videogames at that point.

>>389801197
>needing to get patted in the back and told "good job there, rusty."

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Can we agree this is the most imitated console ever made? Japs BTFO

>>389807474
This. Who cares?

>>389800967
Original achievements are smart and add replay value. Geometry Wars had the pacifism achievement which was so fun it ended up getting a fill mode in future games. Getting achievements for speedrunning Metroid would be awesome. Getting an achievement for beating any Zelda with minimal upgrades would be awesome.

Fuck anyone who thinks they don't add anything to a game. You're just upset because it will expose that you never beat the game in the first place. Alternatively people who complain that it adds more to do like it's a bad thing should just kill themselves. "I don't want to feel obligated to do anything but the bare minimum so adding achievements for 100% completion rates are stupid"

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>>389800297
As long as the developers aren't required to have them and there's a way to turn achievement notifications off, I'm fine with it.
That said, I think the best way Nintendo could handle achievements is by giving them tangible value. They already have a "Switch themes" section in the options menu, but it only has light/dark. What I'd do, personally, is make it so that you could unlock themes through achievements, either by tying certain themes to certain achievements, or by giving each achievement some sort of point value that can be spent on themes. Not only would it encourage faggots who normally don't finish games to, you know, actually finish them, but it'd give you actual tangible rewards outside of a shitty little "you've earned this achievement" marker that most games have.

Of course, that's just wishful thinking. It's probably just going to be a regular-ass achievement system, and that's fine too.

>>389801165
>what a thrill...

>>389800297
who cares ?
we just want good games !
Let them do what they whores want to give us good games

>>389807684
I'd like that idea. I just wish the Switch had released with all this shit, the OS was obviously rushed for release, even if it is pretty clean.

I bet Nintendo's putting all their efforts into this while ignoring shit that actually should've been there day 1 like VC and apps.

>>389807492
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't actually do them if they're shit that annoys me.

What gets to me about it all though, is that I can 100% a game's actual content, and then at some point in the future if I start getting into a conversation about shit regarding the game, people are going to look at my trophy list and discount my opinion because I haven't "completed" it. There's also the fact that there's something sitting on my system telling me I haven't "completed" it when I actually have, but just haven't spent an extra 20 hours running in circles to get the fucking trophy to pop.

I can turn off notifications, and delete games with a 0% completion from my list, but I can't hide my trophies unless I fucking hide my entire profile from people. That's annoying as fuck.

There should just be a way to completely stop participation with trophies altogether without affecting anything else.

>>389807646
You can do any of that without the achievement though. Meanwhile, with achievements in place, the game is basically saying "you haven't completed me" because you haven't done some lame-ass speedrun, even though you're not a speedrunner, and don't enjoy speedruns. That's fucking stupid. No, it doesn't add anything to the game.

>>389805853

Stamps

>>389808281
So you're saying you would have just, on a whim, played Geometry Wars without shooting anything and seeing how long you could survive?

>>389800551
>There's literally nothing wrong with Achievements.
This and DLC killed ingame rewards.

>people get their cheevos
>still have no way to backup saves

epic

>>389808481
A lot of games in that small window between the introduction of achievements and the oversaturation of DLC nickel and diming tied their unlockables to achievements, which is how things usually worked anyway. I won't deny that it basically got rid of cheat codes though.

>>389801825
How did the WiiU version function then?