What went wrong?

>>389746638
In fairness Father is right. A machine can't think, feel, or have a personality, just simulate it really well. They're still soulless machines

>>389746638
Ceaser's monologues had nothing to do with what was happening in game.
Obsidian is more ambitious than talented.
In other news water is wet.

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>>389746638
Damm right I would.

I actually have no interest in playing 4 but that hopefully rhetorical question itself is quite interesting because I want to hear his further point.

Whereas Caesar in NV is making a point that while thought out and possibly persuasive, is not something that matches what we see in game thanks to the legion feeling pretty shallow.

The NCR might be a dysfunctional mess but at least they have a foothold and the whole flies with honey than vinegar thing but that's more personal preference so whatever.

Not a good example because I'm left thinking about 4 a lot more after this.

>>389746848
A human can't think, feel, or have a personality, just simulate it really well. They're still soulless flesh bags.

New Vegas faction leaders were all delusional nutbags
Fallout 4 faction leaders were all delusional nutbags.

>>389746638
Caesar is too retarded the Legion will suffer the same exact fate one he dies.

>>389746638

>Greater good
>Dude slaves lmao

Maybe if they spent more time making the Legion an actual faction and not the generic evil team maybe that would hold water.

The institute never explains what their plan is, they just feed you a bunch of nonsense about mankind redefined

>>389747107
>skynet being this triggered

>>389746638
Nothing "went wrong". Fallout 3 was just as bad, and New Vegas was written/developed by completely different people. Bethesda Fallout has been trash from the start.

>>389746848
then why does he "give" you the kid synth saying he "deserves a childhood"?

oh right because this shitty game can't keep its head on straight

>>389747107
This.
Go take an intro to psych and biomechanical psych at an online/community/night college for like, $300, and never trust a meatbag again.

>>389747281
Didn't you read the eleventy billion posts on what they meant to do?
Just playing the game isn't enough for an Obsidian game pleb.
If only the evil publishers would just give them the decade and a half they need?

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>>389746638
There's something... weird about the old man in the second image.

He looks like someone plastered an anime girl's face onto his, like he should be saying 'uguu~'
This isn't how he actually looks is it?

>>389747757
Don't know why I phrased that as a question.

>>389747107
Fuck off HK-47.

>>389747841
His look depends on the mother and father you create at the start, that one looks like shit

>>389746638
Ceaser: Me unga. NCR bunga.
Father: If you do not value ingenuity you shouldn't join us. That's what we're about.

>>389746638
New Vegas is fedoracore while 4 was aimed at normalfags

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This one line of dialogue from FONV: Honest Hearts is better the entire script of FO4.

>>389748071
>Ethos is fedoracore while pathos is aimed at normalfags
This actually checks out.

>synths aren't people
I honestly don't understand this, when you see them made it's literally just bones and synthetic tissues. The only thing that makes them "not human" is them not growing up and learning,
The synth component is probably just some electrical shock device them use to force impulses in their brains but I swear they're just lab grown humans

>>389748047
>ask Caesar his motives
>he explains his whole thought process
>ask anyone at the Institute for motives
>"Don't worry about it."

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>>389746638
Exhibit B

As much as i dislike Caesar and think he's wrong in a bunch of aspects, at least Obsidian put the effort on trying to convince the player that he's right.

>>389746638
4chins decided it wasn't going to like anything after FONV and will overlook its flaws and strawman any version of a Bethesda FO game including retroactively to FO3 which they liked.

They'll also never critically assess FO1, FO2, Tactics, or BoS.

>>389748397
Those things don't have to eat, drink, sleep, piss, shit or do anything a human has to do. Guy in robotics says they're superior in every way to humans. There's also evidence that they can malfunction and go berserk like any other machine.

>>389748397
It's stupider when you realise even the indentured 3rd gens clearly have emotions and can dream, yet the Institute scientists are all "lol that cant happen" when their entire goal was to make a full fledged artifical human.

>>389748613
>4chan is one person

>>389746638
devs assumed I give a fuck about the wasteland
made garvey immortal despite being the single most annoying NPC
made the institute ending completely retarded, all for some enclave esque paint.

all I do now if I even play is get my wacky weapon workshop 12.7mm explosive rounds auto rifle and shoot everyone, also thank god for no immortals mod (some still are but fuck them they can stay in concord.)

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>>389748397
What is a man? Is he defined by things like morphology or longevity? If form alters content - that is, if the shape of the container fundamentally influences what it contains - what will it mean to society if a man no longer resembles a man? If those things which have always driven us - birth, aging and death - are altered or eliminated, will it make us into something new? If a man need not fear death, will that make us more human than our ancestors, or less? These questions will be addressed, I believe, by modern science within the next decade. But is the world ready for the answers?

>>389748552
Wish there was more show than tell.
Telling me this is the way things are with no real evidence in game is not good design.

Loredumps are lazy.

>>389747065
The Institute has been obsessively engineering AIs to emulate humans as closely as possible to the point that they're now giving them completely organic bodies right down to the brain and the only mechanical component to be found is a small chip in their heads. They then spread these synths across the surface to live among humans and replace them, all while insisting that they are absolutely not humans and do not have free will or feelings, no matter how many times the synths themselves say otherwise. Oh, and they made sure to make the synths feel pain. Institute scientists even try to argue that humans have a soul and the machines don't so it's okay.
And this guy you're talking to pursued all this bullshit instead of giving actual humans cybernetic and biological augmentations, because he thinks that's wrong.

There is nothing redeeming about 4's plot. Nothing.

>>389746638
Hours playing FONV:457 hours
Hours playing FO4: 2 hours

It pains me that im over the time limit to return it.

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>>389748648
>There's also evidence that they can malfunction and go berserk like any other human.

>>389748716
Just join the raiders in nuka world and preston will get pissy and end your friendship. You can't have the minutemen and the raiders

>>389746638
FONV: have to to do a shit ton of missions to gain the loyalty of a faction.

FO4: we just met and you protected me even though i could have run this mission solo. WELCOME TO THE BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL

>>389748893
Send a refund saying you could never get it to work, and kept it in hopes it'd be patched, but it still doesn't work.

>>389748806
They only had a year and a half to make to make a game this big. A lot of content had to cut due to time.

>>389749102
They make you a paladin right away in FNV after a few missions, you can start as an initiate in Fo4 and work your way up to sentinel.

>>389748969
I gotta pay money to join a faction? Childhood is thinking EA are the Jewish scumbags, adulthood is when you realize Bethesda is worse.

>>389749331
Yeah, after saving their bunker and doing important and dangerous task for them.

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>>389748490

>>389748893
Same for me but with Fallout 2. I went FO3 -> FNV -> FO4 -> FO2.

I didn't even bother finishing FO4, and must've put 100 hours into FO2 the first two weeks I played it.

>>389749498
Does Bethesda writers even care anymore?

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>>389749331
Nigga are you serious. The only 2 reasons the bos contact you in FONV is because of your Edi unit or your traveling with Veronica and even then you have to do loyalty missions. You could ignore them completly if you wanted in NV.

It wasnt forced upon you as part of the main story..

Also in FO4 youre given power armour in literally the 2nd quest. Its like the developers knew they couldnt keep your attention with their hack storyline.

>>389749197
Do you mean to tell me a publisher has screwed over Obsidian?
I hope this trend starts and ends with Bethesda.

>>389749445
Or just bypass half the work and massacre the van graffs for hardin

>>389748613
You don't even need to like NV to see that 4 is pretty soulless. I liked 3 when it came out and still do now.

Somebody post that image of some anon pointing out all the flaws in 2?

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Shaun, if that Nuka-Cola machine has some refreshing Nuka-Cola still in it, there's little I wouldn't do for it.

>>389749597
Why should they? 99% of their fans will stay loyal due to marketing, whether or not they put in extra effort.

>>389749597
Not really.
No.
FUCK YOU.
They do not.

>>389749692
>all the flaws in 2?
Any you remember off the top of your head? FO2 was one of if not my favorite FO.

>>389746638
You still haven't answered why I should join you Ceasar

>>389749651
BoS is not forced on you at all in fo4, infact 90% of your companions try to talk you out of joining them in the first mission. You never have to join them or even talk to danse or maxson.

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>>389749597
>Its your destiny, ive seen it

Hack writing 101

>>389749807
(Sarcastic) Of course they do...

>>389747757
So Obsidian don't know how to properly tell a story is what you're saying?

>>389749928
I've always told her to shut the fuck up, is you don't are her prediction true? If so I'm flip this fucking table over

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>>389749928
When she said that.....i knew that this game was gonna be bad.

>>389748490
>"B-but muh cherrypicking!"

>>389749772
This. Everytime Bethesda writes something on Twitter, some normalfag is always asking for Fallout 5. Hell, children fucking love fallout 4, if that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what does.

>>389749651
>FO4 youre given power armour in literally the 2nd quest
Yeah this was really sad to see. My guess is they thought they wouldn't be able to hold their Skyrim-sized audience with just basic gunplay for more than a few hours. They underestimated how much that basic get quest, kill, loot, turn in quest cycle could keep so many people hooked for dozens or hundreds of hours. If they paced out giving away the power armor to hour ten or so of the quest (or less time if players were willing to go exploring) they still would have held their audience, while giving them a better paced experience.

>>389749597
They don't even have dedicated writers anymore. Like seriously. Anyone who wanted to write could for Fallout 4. That's why the lore got butchered so hard

>>389750216
Prove me wrong.

Prove that FO4 isnt on tracks the entire time and youre not given the illusion of choice.

>>389750216
Give us a fallout 4 quest with the same or more amount of ways to finish the quest

>>389750119
yeah
she'll tell you the Courser's shutdown code and some shit

>>389749597
betheshit has never been particularly good at writing. it's the lore, world building and rpg systems in place so you can develop your character that they excelled at. they no longer make rpgs or have good world building. all we're left with is pure shit

>>389750032
Sawyer is probably right now as we speak on some forum revealing more of what he meant to do.

They are outstanding at telling stories.
They just suck at actually getting them in game by release.

>>389749817
I was just asking for an image I had seen.

>>389750325
Didn't their lead writer and Pete Hines get ass blasted on Twitter because they were breaking the lore.

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>>389749928
>have to give her a bunch of precious drugs just to kill her
>unkillable otherwise

>>389748895
Why is the internet so obsessed with calling everything autistic?
It's been completely stripped of any meaning by now, just an epic meme word you slap onto a picture and bam, instant joke.

>>389750337
>>389750342
I think he was mocking someone who would claim the image is cherrypicking, i.e. sarcasm

>>389747107
Mad cuz he doesn't giver her the D

>>389750551
Fuck, been here for 5 years and still don't have to awareness to pick shit like this up.

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>>389750508
I remember when "hipster" was the insult of choice here. The internet will move onto something else eventually.

>>389749928

I didnt know if I was still playing fallout or i some how switched to Skyrim when this character spoke.

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>>389750658
Yeah, the internet by its nature does not foster civil conversation.

>>389750337
You can end the game way quicker than NV, soon as you get to the institute shoot father in the face and you can blow it up shortly after. You can't trigger the battle of hoover dam without doing a bunch of stuff

>>389750667
/v/ has been calling people autistic since before you had hair on your balls, fucko

>>389750424
Too bad the stories Sawyer want to tell are literally as boring as it's possible for a story to be. His overriding objective is to explain to us in tedious detail just exactly how everyone and everything everywhere is actually all just the same.

Fuck that guy.

>>389746638

im playing new vegas and i already did NCR with BOS

i want to go ceasers legion but i just dont really like their wacky romans theme

are the missions cool?

>>389750753
>didnt answer the question

Kek

>>389750471
There was a fool arguing about Jet.
He apparently didn't realize FO2 had a dispute about when Jet was invented.

Bethesda gets ripped for not being consistent about Jet when all they did was clean up the lore from 2.

>>389750787
>/v/ hasn't gotten tired of the same misused insult after a decade
Seems pretty autistic to me
And that sounds like a load of shit, it blew up from being nowhere to being everywhere just in the past few years.

>>389750667
Fuck off autistic hipster.

>>389750508
People on the internet are a lot more scathing and edgy now, even outside of this site. "Retard" just wasn't cutting it, so they went one step further and adopted very specific neurodevelopmental disorders as insults.

>>389750886
You haven't explained how dealing with the boomers, khans, BoS etc before the end isn't on tracks

>>389750787
I know, some memes have more staying power than others. I can't wait for when "cuck" falls out of fashion. "Faggot" has always been pretty solid.

>>389750828
Doesn't he have a rape fetish as well?
Every time he gets to write for a game someone either is going to be or has been raped.

Hell his forum name is Rape Kid.

>>389750850
Not really, they don't have a lot of content. Assassinate the NCR president, save Caesar from his brain tumour.

>>389746638
So, why exactly did they need to make their robot slaves so advanced? Why didn't they just use the simple, loyal, skeletal Synths you fight in the Commonwealth to do their chores?

>>389748147
Kek yes. This is what happens when you give your character a voice.

You cant have awesome lines of dialogue like this.

>>389750993
>it blew up from being nowhere to being everywhere just in the past few years.
how to out yourself as a retarded newfag

>>389751149
No im asking you to defend fallout 4s "amazing branching quests" and youre failing at it.

Its not helping you.

>>389749928
It should be mentioned that while the "destiny" thing is bullshit, psychic powers have been around since the first Fallout game.

>>389750967
No it didn't. Fallout 2 you meet the guy who explicitly tells you he invented Jet from Brahmin shit fumes since it was a shorter more intense high, which made drug dealers more money. The guy who wrote the fallout bible explicitly said that Mrs. Bishop's memory of getting hooked on Jet before it's invention is a result of the drug's side effects addling her recollection of events.

Only the most recent mistakes in Fallout 4 have not been dealt with because their PR guy is a dumbass who brushes off curious fans instead of doing his job.

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>>389748795
delete this shit

fuck me man

>>389751190

damn that sucks guess ill try a house run

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>>389748397

>>389751321
Im aware but her character was out of place for the tone they were going for.

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>replaying NV
>get to the part with the ghouls in the rocket ships
>the sniper in the dinosaur wants me to just get rid of them
>remember fucking hating this quest with a passion
>try to just kill them all instead
>it fucking works

>>389751061
Well that's just unfortunate.
Even my autistic ass found it funny at first, but by now it's just so constant; autistic this, autistic that, endlessly everywhere. You can only make the same joke so many times before it gets old.
>>389751280
Nice historical revisionism m8
Even on here it only occasionally popped up, until suddenly everyone was spewing it.
Now even normalfags have added it to their internet vernacular.

>>389749928
Her and Preston needed a good kick in the balls

I like how they got rid of the karma system in fallout 4, stealing from dead people or stealing from raiders and getting a karma hit was stupid. But for some reason bethesda decided that pick pocketing a fusion core from a raider PA is stealing, and using the frame is stealing

>>389746848
what is the physical component of humans that makes them conscious? We don't know and so to pretend we can distinguish what is and isn't conscious is ridiculous.

>>389747749
Psych and neuropsych courses just tell me we know some things but haven't figured it out yet.

Unless the fallout universe states that humankind has explicitly figured out everything about human beings, they know less than they know about synths, ergo there's still less reason to think of a human as a machine than a synth as a machine.

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>>389746638

>nuka cola machine

But people die and kill for less in that world

>>389746638
I know you're baiting but different writing teams. NV wasn't written by a studio that hates exposition. Also,
>NCR isn't built to last
>says the only guy keeping his tribe from warring with themselves or completely falling apart

>>389751991
>what is the physical component of humans that makes them conscious?
The brain

>>389752175
He knows that. he goes on to argue that synthesis with the NCR (if he takes the dam) is what eventually will happen. Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis.

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>>389748147
>meet Joshua's tribe for the first time
>lady speaks to you in their native language
>"Don't speak that ooga booga nonsense to me"

>>389751969
Agreed with the karma system, it fortunately doesn't affect much in NV but the team shouldn't have used it at all.

>>389748795
A man is a miserable little pile of secrets

>>389752417
Didn't Bethesda make them include it, or is that just a rumor?

>>389747757
>If only the evil publishers would just give them the decade and a half they need?

Yeah, it's not as if they only had a year and a half to make a full game even bigger than Fallout 3

>>389751438
FO bible not canon.
I am only talking about what was actually in game.

I know who was behind the FO bible and even he states it is no longer canon.

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>>389748147

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>>389752012
One thing we DO know is that our conscious minds don't make the decisions.

We know this because in an experiment where someone has to make a choice between 2 arbitrary options while being inside a MRI scan of their brain. The researcher could determine what the test subjects would choose before they'd decided what they would choose simply by looking at their neural activity.

What human brains do is actually just try to explain and rationalize our choices AFTER our subconscious mind already made the choice. Basically we are fooling ourselves into thinking we made the choices ourselves.

You can actually demonstrate this with people that cut left-right brain connection.

Here's a cool short video that is relevant to this:

https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8

TL;DR: It's already 100% conclusively been proven that humans don't have any free will.

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>>389748795
I'm scared of the future.

>>389751749
>not setting the rockets to crash into each other
Choke on your dreams, zombie fucks.

>>389752602
>ive got a vid you should watch

NOPE.jpg

>>389752325
That's actually interesting. I haven't done a Legion run in ages so my memory is spotty.

>>389751321
What?

>>389752567
Bethesda did 90% of the heavy lifting.
If you want to see the power of Obsidian try Alpha Protocol.

The flaws from that game were also blamed on the publisher rushing them.It is a recurring theme going all the way back to KotOR.

>>389747281
name two proper civilizations that were not built on the backs of slaves
there is only one, the Persians

>>389752602
Yo, that video is interesting as fuck.

>>389752937
>Alpha Protocol

Still a better game than Fallout 4 desu senpai

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Someone give me a unique way to play through New Vegas. I've played through every bit of content and gotten every ending but NCR. Ideas for characters would be appreciated.

>>389753003
>samefagging this hard

>>389752513
Possibly just a rumor, possibly true. Doesn't really matter since it's just a minor annoyance at worst.

>>389752901
The Master had psychic powers, there's even a perk to help defend you against it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mental_Block

And the shaman guy in Fallout 2's starting village could speak to the player in their dreams.

>>389750471
Even if they had a lead writer, that wasn't his only role. I'm not sure what Bethesda was thinking by scrapping dedicated writers. They're very important. If people in other roles have ideas, they should be able to approach the writers who then translate that into a better version (ie: better execution; more thought out) than have the people with little-no writing experience straight up writing shit for your game. There's more to writing than most people realize.

On the flipside, the last Bethesda game to have consistently good writing was Oblivion. Not the main quest, but most of the side quests were well done

An actual developer made a game and a shitty company that relies on the community to polish it's turds released another.

Only exception to Bethesda is Oblivion and its expansions. Otherwise the company is a plague.

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>>389753068
No?
But i agree, that response was dumb.

>>389751749
>killing them
that is so fucking boring sabotage the rockets instead. The ending is hilarious

>>389753065
You play as a courier who has to deliver the package.

>>389753043
Sure it is.
Maybe Obsidian could KS a sequel for that as well.

They have gotten quite good at begging for money from their fans.

>>389753113
Ehh that's the big bad FEV mutant though. Was there anything on the level of normal humans expressing these powers?

>>389753335
Like I said, the shaman guy form Fallout 2 who talked to you in your dreams.

>>389753325
Not really their call, IP belongs to Sega.

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>>389753335
This kid in NV.

>>389753335
There's a full list of psychic stuff here, F.E.V. or otherwise.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Psyker

>>389748893
Send a request anyway. Bullshit something like it not working.

>>389753442
Probably for the best.

>>389752937
NV wouldn't exist without the work Bethesda did on 3. Hell, NV was barely a game at launch with all the bugs. The reason why so many anons prefer NV is that the setting, characters, and methods of gameplay are better done than in 3. Most people here are willing to overlook technical flaws for something enjoyable that can't be found in most games.

fallout 4 has no low IQ playthrough.
having the robot call me mr fuckface almost made up for it though

Why did Bethesda let Obsidian make a Fallout game in the first place?

>>389754042
because money

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What was the purpose of them making synths in the first place? What was the end goal?

>>389754042
Because they were making Skyrim

They didnt realize Obsidian would make a game that would ruin Bethesdas reputation for future fallout games.

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>>389753563
What the fuck, i need to replay the game now.

>>389753873
Just because you are willing to eat a log of shit to get a piece of corn does not mean everyone does.

>>389754174
But casuals love 4 and think NV sucks.

>>389754174
>They didnt realize Obsidian would make a game that would ruin Bethesdas reputation for future fallout games.
Is there evidence of anyone beyond 4chan and a handful of Fallout forums caring that NV is better than 3 or 4? I don't think most people who know about Fallout care.

>>389754140
1. Workers
2. Soldiers
3. Means of controlling surface communities through infiltration and subversion
4. Waifus

>>389754042
Fans wanted a new Fallout, and Obsidian was at least 60% comprised of former Interplay and Black Isle Studios members. It was a match made in heaven. I don't think Bethesda counted on them doing such a good job though

Shame Obsidian had to let so many OG members go. It's partially Bethesda's fault though. New Vegas nearly bankrupted Obsidian. Still a damn shame

>>389754042
If you use the PIMP and HO dynamic then Bethesda put their bitch to work.
Their sweet little mouth made Daddy some serious coin.

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>>389754174
But Bethesda already made their own game that would ruin their reputation for Fallout games, it was FO3.

>>389747749
>take these classes that reinforce my stance that life is meaningless and that you don't exist

>>389754317
Have you even tried looking.

Its pretty much the conscious of loyal fallout fans. Not saying there arent a few people who think FO4 is a masterpiece. But FO4 is overlooked in comparison.

>>389754205
That's a bit of a tortured analogy, but if that's what you value in a game, have it your way.

>>389754369
>Soldiers
But they didn't have to be fighting regular people. A lot of the conflict seems like they could have completely avoided them.

>workers
But why though? What work could they possibly be doing that requires synths?

>>389746638
What went wrong?

New Vegas shills can't pull Obsidian's micro dick out of their mouths for 5 seconds to even bother playing fallout 4.

>>389754456
I don't think Bethesda cares about loyal fallout fans, so why would they be so butthurt about NV being so good?

>>389752695
>having to go through backtracking and the fetch quest
Can't believe that someone thought this was a good idea

>>389752959
Ancient Egyptians too!

>>389752959
>the persians
>not a slave empire

Darius go to sleep

>>389750667
what a cuck

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>>389746638
>it's

>>389754426
Absolutely no one outside of few forums have probably even considered these things.

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"We need Synths to do work!"
Reminder that the Institute created synths to do jobs that the average Mr. Handy, a pre-war robot, could do.

>>389752959
Not sure if your trolling or just stupid. For your sake i hope youre trolling.

>>389754804
That's generally the problem with scientists.

They get so obsessed with if they can do something, that they don't care if there are other ways to do it better, faster, and more ethically.

>>389746638
Caesar's monologue is written in a way that assumes a Fallout fan. The second one doesn't. It tries to stand on its own. Rather than build atop previous entries in the series in a meaningful way it tries to trade in its own novelty. This is a big problem with Fallout 4 in general. But what is novel in Fallout 4 is mostly ideas other writers have done far better. It's bad enough when people try to argue against saying John Gonzalez is a better writer than Emil Pagliarulo but there's no sense seriously arguing against sasying Phillip K. Dick and Isaac Asimov are better writers than Emil Pagliarulo, and every time he stepped into their turf he embarrassed himself.

The player is supposed to figure out that Caesar is more than a little delusional and see the flaws in his thinking. Father's statements are supposed to be a real challenge for the player's thinking and not an admission that he's a textbook sociopath.

>>389746951
The Powder Gangers, Fiends, Vipers, Jackals, Great Khans, NCR deserters you can run into, the situation in Primm, and the shit that the NCR is actively stirring up in Freeside all beg to differ. The NCR's occasionally well-intentioned but frequently incompetent administration has made the region a much more dangerous place to live than it was before. The most high-functioning places in the game (The Strip, North Vegas, West Side, Jacobstown, Novac, Goodsprings) are all places where neither the Legion nor the NCR has any real control, and when one of those places (like Jacobstown, Novac, Searchlight, Bitter Springs, Freeside, or Primm) ends up encroached on, the results are bad. That's the kernel of truth in the pile of deception and delusion that Caesar tries to feed the PC.

>>389750216
Ain't it a shame. If it were even Fallout 3, flawed as that game is, I'd say 'you're cherry picking' but for 4? No. It truly is that bad.

>>389753065
Stealthy Science/Repair guy who only uses Explosives to deal damage.

Playing a Sapper is fun.

>>389754984
>Father's statements are supposed to be a real challenge for the player's thinking
>"Robots are like soda dispensers"
Really got me thinking there...

the village building thing was kinda fun for a while until you start getting constant warnings about them getting attacked.
>so many turrets
>every citizen armed to fuck
>raiders still come

kill yourself synthcucks

>>389755409
Turrets don't actually do anything unless you're there to see them in action.

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>>389754205
>NV is a log of shit
Hyperbole harder faggot

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>NV with low INT

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXMYRhApW6c

>>389753065
the smartest, luckiest gun in the new west

meh strength, no melee/energy weapons/explosives

HOT LEAD ONLY, any problem that can be solved with brain power, do so

>>389754601
>FO4fag doing damage control
Anon, it's okay if you wasted your time playing that piece of shit, just admit it sucks and move on.

>>389754601
He says in a thread with anons that played 4 shitting on it.

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>>389755516
even then, they break really quickly
>line up The Castle with heavy turrets and the laser ones already there before the Institute siege
>turrets all get shot to shit in a few seconds

guard posts with assigned settlers put up a better fight than that waste of resources

>>389754601
I merely found New Vegas okay, while Fallout 4 was the single most disappointing game purchase I have ever made. Not even that shitty Blades of Time game came close to the sheer let down that was Fallout 4.

>>389748969
I'm pretty sure you can still do the Minutemen while joining the raiders, as they are the fail-safe faction.

>>389756550
Correct. Preston will huff and pout, and you can even outright say you'll murder him if he gets in your way, but he still won't be hostile towards you.

What the fuck do you have to do to get this guy ready to kill you? Rape his mom in front of him?

preston anoyed the shit ot of me.
2nd most annoying character was the old druggy woman, but at least you could force her to overdose and die. fuck her and her "build me a chair" shit

>>389755516
>Turrets don't actually do anything unless you're there to see them in action.
That's fucking awful. Why the hell would they do that?

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>>389748490
Hmmm...

>>389752695
>>389754685

>not building their rocket and letting them go off into space
>they die alone in the void

you are smalltime

>>389757195
>Comparing some of the biggest sidequests in Fallout 3 to some of the least important quests in New Vegas
Nice try.

>>389757376
>it's OK when I cherry pick
I didn't think you'd be stupid enough to double down tbqhf

>>389757490
>Implying
Cherrypicking on either side is shit, but the fact of the matter is the big sidequests of NV are far better than the big sidequests of Fallout 3.

>>389757298
They weren't heading to space, stupid. They were launching their rockets to somewhere in the wasteland with very high radiation.

>>389757707
I think they were going to The Glow from the first game, in fact. It's so nice that the writers of New Vegas actually played the first two games and keeps the lore in check. Shame Bethesda can't do the same.

>>389754898
>That's generally the problem with scientists.
No, that's the problem of Bethesda's shitty writing and shitty plots. Their writers just couldn't think of a better reason.

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>>389754898
>scientists don't care if there are other ways to do it better or faster
nigger what

>>389752051
>"would you risk your life for a nuka cola machine"

no but apparently people do for the caps on the bottles of nuka cola

>Bethesda employees write ideas on napkins during break time and the most popular ones get into the game
This compnay

>>389758847
Ia this just a shitpost or something that actually happens? Have a source ?

>>389754898
That's some retarded logic right there.

>>389751991
the soul

>>389759031
It's not "napkins during break time", but they did say they basically write down concepts for quests on memos, shuffle them and draw them or something like that.

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Beth made NPC's talk like human beings again? I don't know when the last time any of you had a conversation with another person, but people don't give perfectly-poised essays as a response in casual conversation like that. This is why I always laugh when people praise New Vegas for its writing. The dialogue is some of the least natural-sounding college thesis paper styled shit I have ever read, and that's why /v/ likes it. They'd rather have paragraphs of pseudo-intellectual hobnobbery than authentic-sounding speech that conveys the point immediately. Caesar could have said "Because without its "Queen", President Tandi, NCR has surrendered the virtues that my Legion possesses now. Our conflict is simply my hastening the inevitable." and you wouldn't have lost a grain of important info or characterization.

Go ahead. Call me a Bethdrone. You can ignore my thousand+ hours in New Vegas. I appreciate the game for it's gameplay systems and freedom, not Obsidian's wanking-in-your-face dialogue.

>>389760473
Wow, it's like people appreciate writing with some thought and time put into it over hastily-written dialogue with some random anon defending it as "supposed to be shit".

>>389760473
>Beth made NPC's talk like human beings again
I see this is the new way to defend Bethesda's shitty writing. Very creative, more creative than Bethesda's shitty writers, they should hire you to be their script writer.

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>>389760473
>Emperor with a cult of personality
>He don't talk like a normal feller
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>389760473
>hurr durr why is this college educated intelligent person, specifically educated in linguistics, talk all smart dat make no sense

>>389760978
But he does? One of his first lines is "Relax, I'm fucking with you." You want good writing from Obsidian? Boxcars. When they're going for humor and authenticity, they strike gold! But that's not what /v/ is talking about when it says "Uhhhnnn muh NV dialogue". They're talking about shit like OP and all the other long-winded diatribes in the game from goobers like the guy fucking around with NCR intel, Joshua Graham and Ulysses. Ulysses is an especially heinous example.

>>389760473
>Talk like human beings
>>>/wsg/1868747

>>389760473
Good writing is never real,

>>389761248
>Only good writing is long-winded diatribes
No. The game features a large variety of people to talk to, not every line is a crafted speech nor does it have to be.

>>389760473
>I'm well versed in the societal norms of a fictional world that takes place hundreds of years in the future in a post apocalyptic setting. No room for creative freedom here!

>>389761248
I just saw it as him being real with you and then him switching to Caesar mode when he got all long winded and trying to convince you

>>389757550
Nah, that's left up to opinion. I played every quest in NV except the Legion's quests and I can hardly remember any of them. Meanwhile I remember quests and locations in 3 like the back of my hand

>>389761796
Sure you did, Peter Hines.

>>389748397
> I swear they're just lab grown humans
So you are from Wasteland now? Are you scientist of "Le Institute" now? Are you just pretending to be retard? Can yo not distinguish between reality and fiction? They are what the authors(Bethesda) want them to be.

>>389760473
if you ask mr house for an explanation of why you should follow him he says something like "if you want to see the fate of democracy, look out the window"

if you ask the average person why they don't like caesar's legion they have very minimal, general information use lots of emotive language ("king of the creeps" etc)

if you ask arcade about the legion he drops lots of latin quotes he learned in books/movies and gets snarky, almost dismissive

if you ask caesar to justify himself he goes on a long, bookish rant

these types of responses show an ability to write a broad range of dialogue and are perfectly suited to their respective characters, there's no way someone as ideological as caesar would sum up his factions existence in the terse, optimised for word count way you suggested

>>389746848
technically the IA from new synths are exactly like a human being, the true is that this knowledge is neither confirmed by anyone. Eventually synths would extinct because hybridization if you help the railroad

>>389761796
>Meanwhile I remember quests and locations in 3 like the back of my hand
Probably because you only did the Family, Tenpenny and Wasteland Survival Guide each playthrough

>>389755516
>>389756964
bullshit, they do help by raising your def stat
and the higher def. your village has compared to food stat and something - the lower the chance of an attack

I always hated mr house, thanks god he isn't canon

>>389763417
He's more canon than fallout 3 and 4.

>>389763243
You can just cease "its" function by a serious of codes, just like a fucking machine, it clearly shows in the game. That's not how real human actually works.

>>389763417
He's mentioned in Fallout 4 so I don't know how he "isn't canon."

>>389763629
while I fucking hate him Im still sad that Bethesda owns the last word,he is a very interesting concept and character.
It's a mixed feeling

>>389763698
where exactly, I remember the NCR being mentioned by Nick

>>389747107
THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES

>>389763903
https://imgur.com/a/X0CJT

>>389763698
>>389763417
Althought it would be stupid to not mention a character established aa the founder of a major in-game company

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>>389764239
Jesus, Todd, how petty.

>>389752576
Show me where he says it's not canon. You have the burden of proof anon.

>>389763417
>New Vegas isn't canon
Keep dreaming.