do games age, /v/?

Yes.

No you age

>>389741354
Yes, you're literally autistic if you don't understand why, literally.

No. They stay the exact same

>>389741504
This.

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No you do

Yes, look at HL2.

>>389741518
what if my disc/cartridge is in bad state?

>Feel a bit nostalgia
>download gta 3
>Can't play it because it says I need directx 8
>I have directx 11

Most games become obsolete over time because a new game will come out that improves upon their formula in some way. For whatever reason we've decided to call this process "aging" so yes, video games do "age."

>>389741354
No, games are exactly the same as they were when they released unless we're talking about new multiplayer shit that gets patched all the time. Kids are the ones that can't get used to older games.

>>389741354
>whatculture gaming
even if they're right, they're wrong

>>389741787
>Most games become obsolete over time because a new game will come out that improves upon their formula in some way

That doesn't happen as often as you think unless you are an idiot that plays shit like sports games.

>>389741354
No, but new things get released eventually and you get used to the new stuff, leaving the old stuff behind.

>>389741471
>>389741518
>>389741682
>>389741845
Aging isnt a literal term here

Do you also think that when people say a game is shit that its literally a pile of feces?

Only early 3D ones.

>>389742032
I wouldn't play with literal feces either, so I guess "game is shit" is valid.

>>389742032
>it's a metastasis term
Fuck off commie

>>389741354
>game is released in 2012
>five years pass
>it's 2017
>the game has aged five years
The question is kind of stupid.

Yes
Some examples: Legend of Zelda (NES), Mario 64 (N64)

>>389741354
Semantic arguments exist to obsuscate the actual discussions people should be having.

>>389741354
The people who use the phrase 99% of the time are faggots who only play the most generic modern games imaginable. Its like if someone who exclusively watches summer blockbusters went and watched Citizen Cain and called it aged shit because there's no action or special effects.

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>>389741354
>does a digital file that doesn't lose data or fidelity over time age?
dipshit

inb4 "muh hard drives decompose over time if you wait long enough"
save it on a new hard drive you dipshit

your perception of a thing ages as you age

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>>389742316
This,modern gamers usually value terrible things.

>>389742316
Oops I forgot its spelt Kane. The biblical spelling is cooler.

>>389741738
Then it might not work properly?

>>389742335
autism

>>389741845
>>389741518
Thread should have ended here.

>game requires actual skill and isn't just a cinematic experience that holds your hand
>dude this game aged so badly
Gaming journalism was a mistake.

Go back and play golden eye or perfect dark then play a modern fps and tell me it doesn't feel clunky and slow.
They're good games for their time, but nostalgiafags are so annoying

>>389742560
You literally need to git gud, kid.

>>389742521
Yeah remember the skill in Dragons Lair XD

>>389742316
Yeah if you reguraly play games from a certain time period, you get used to the quirks. If you don't have experience, aka 90% of people who make the aged argument who exclusively play newer games going back 20 years and being shocked, then obviously it's going to feel "aged". I play games from all kinds of different years, it's not hard at all with emulation, the games that feel clunky feel just as clunky if you compare them to other games released at the time.

>>389741845
>>389741518
That's not what "aging" means in regard to video games, redditors.

>>389742316
Citizen Kane was horrible, the acting and story were horrible, the only good thing about CK was how it revolutionized technical cinematography. Hate the whole if you hate CK you only like Michael Bay movies meme. Akira Kurosawa, now those are timeless classics. Yojimbo shits all over CK.

>>389742521
Lol yeah I remember such a skillful game banjo kazooie was
These kids just don't know what hard games are amirite xD

>>389742672
No it means
>muh graffficsssss

Correct?

>>389742560
If you played PC FPS in the 90's you'd say those games were clunky on the day they released. They were always clunky, they didn't age into it.

>>389742609
>adhere to bad games

No

Lot of old games have aged badly

>>389742729
Muh gameplay mechanicsssssss too.

NAME ONE OLD GAMES THAT IS STILL GOOD

>>389742560
>They're good games for their time

Only if you didn't own a PC, the primary platform for the FPS at the time.

>>389742818
Crash team racing

>>389742818
Pokémon Yellow

>>389741354

>will my shoes ever get old and forget they're shoes?

>>389741354
A game having 'aged' is just a fancy way of saying 'more recent games are more polished in the areas this game used to be respected for'. That's fine. But I don't agree with the implication that it automatically makes the game retroactively bad or unworthy of being played.

>>389742818

>you

STALKER
Dungeon Siege
HL series

>>389742818
Crash bash

>>389742801
Most modern games tend to simplify older game mechanics to offer a more streamlined experience.

>>389742818
hundreds of thousands of people still play WoW on both retail and private servers

>>389742818
terraria

>>389742818
A Link to the Past

>>389742928
Stalker isnt old

gta 3 is still fun to play. for the most part.

t. someone who didn't grow up with the series

>>389742685
Dumb weeb

>>389741354
Mechanics can feel dated, sure.

>>389742685
>Akira Kurosawa, now those are timeless classics. Yojimbo shits all over CK.

Nah, the only really good Kurosawa movie is Rashomon. And A Fistful of Dollars shits all over Yojimbo. You criticize Citizen Kane for being nothing but cinematography but gloss over that Kurosawa relied heavily on plagiarism.

>>389741354
if all of the game's strong points have been outdone by more recent games then yes you can say it's aged and is now obsolete otherwise no

>>389742910
>'more recent games are more polished in the areas this game used to be respected for'
this person gets it

>the implication that it automatically makes the game retroactively bad or unworthy of being played
that isn't implied though

You gotta ask yourself if an old game is "hard" or just tedious.

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>>389742818
>ONE
>GAMES

>>389743085
>Kurosawa relied heavily on plagiarism

http://thestudioexec.com/akira-kurosawa-was-a-plagiarist-xavier-poulis-announces/

>>389743128
Don't bother, /v/ mistakes putting up with tediousness for being hardcore.

>>389743042
It is, but it's easily overshadowed by VC and SA (which aren't even numbered further solidifying the fact that they're just GTA3 expansions)

>>389742818
River City Ransom
Punch Out
Ninja Gaiden
Zelda 1 and 2
SMB 2 and 3, the first one would get a pass but it does feel a bit crappy after playing a lot of 3
Castlevania 1 and 3
Jackal
Contra and Super C
Megaman 2, 3 and 4
Blaster Master
Bionic Commando
Kirby's Adventure
And that's just famous NES games that I own and still play off the top of my head. There's shitloads more obscure titles that are still fun, at least with two players like balloon fight and ice hockey

>>389743128
All non competitive games are tedious if you are good enough.

>>389743537
The thing with VC and SA that makes them much more appealing is that they have stories and characters and stylized settings
I mean, can you even remember what happens in 3?

>>389743021

2007 was 10 years ago....

>>389742818
Just a few games that i have enjoyed a lot,PS1 and PCE because that's the only lists i have made

Resident Evil 1-2-3
Castlevania Chronicles/SOTN
Zanac X Zanac
Gradius Gaiden
Detana Twinbee Yahho!
Chrono Cross
Harmful Park
Devil Dice
R Type Delta
MGS
FF7-8-9
Parasite Eve
Medievil 2
Umihara Kawase Syun
Intelligent Qube
Silent Hill
Incredible Crisis
Front Mission 3
Sexy/Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius
Einhander
No One can Stop Mr.Domino
Crash Bandicoot 1-2-3
Policenauts
Tecmo's Deception
Kagero 2
Parappa the Rapper
Dino Crisis
Silent Bomber
Thunderforce V
Jumping Flash 1-2
Jade Cocoon
Ore no Ryouri
Die Hard Trilogy
One Piece Mansion
Starfighter Sanvein
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Nexzr
YS 1-2
Cotton
Soldier Blade
Lords of Thunder
Gate of Thunder
Super Star Soldier
Gunhed
Bloody Wolf
YS 1-2
Magical Chase
Galaga '88
Air Zonk
Legendary Axe
Neo Nectaris
Gradius 2
Rayxanber 3
Last Alert

>>389742818
the tony hawk games

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>>389742818
Perfect Dark.

>>389743021
The first game came out 10 years ago, that's pretty old.

I mean damn that's when Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Portal came out.

>>389743675
Vaguely, yes. You're right though, silent protagonists are hard to pull off

>>389743781
>spends 5 seconds aiming

>>389743960
shit it's like sniping takes effort or something you're right 12 millisecond 360 noscopes are way more engaging get owned kid

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>>389743960
console shooters can't into precision accuracy.
PC aiming - move the reticle over target
Console gaming - move the reticle loosely with one stick and your character with another until the movement causes the reticle to lie on the target

>>389743527

Almost everything he did was based on a book or play, either officially or unofficially. This is why it was kind of bullshit he had the balls to bitch about Sergio Leone ripping him off when Yojimbo was ripped off from Dashiell Hammett in the first place.

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>>389742818

Games don't age. I can pull a NES game out of the box and it'll still play exactly the same.

People who say games age are retards.

>>389742818
UNREAL
but get the gold version

>>389744501
People who don't understand what it means are pretty dumb too.

>>389741354
yeah they do; hard to describe exactly why but when you see things through context of where we've come, you are able to see its current 'age'

>>389741354
Only 3D games.

>>389742818
I can name hundreds, you're fucking retarded

>>389741354
What s considered acceptable does and often older games don't match up.
This is what is meant by aging.
FO 1 has aged well as it is still acceptable by the standards of that genre today.
Morrowind has not aged well because it is not acceptable by the standards of that genre today.

>>389743960
Taking your time to aim with a sniper? Unheard of.

>>389744848
>FO 1 has aged well as it is still acceptable by the standards of that genre today.
>Morrowind has not aged well because it is not acceptable by the standards of that genre today.

The standards of the isometric RPG today is that no one fucking plays them anymore. At least people still play the Morrowind "genre". I think it's obvious which one has aged worse.

>>389744771
what is Sonic the Hedgehog?

>>389742962
not a good point, WoW got updated models and gameplay over the years

Yes. If a new system arises that gets put into lots of games you play then you'll eventually get used to it whether you like it or not and if you go back to an older game without the system you may not find it as playable even if you don't like this new system

>>389741354
Yes.

Consider that at one point some people thought that using analogue sticks for FPS on console was worse than using the D-pad with bumpers being used to strafe.

Imagine trying to play with those controls now.

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>>389742818
Half Life

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>>389742962
>Hundreds of thousands
Blizzcucks btfo

>>389741354

A game can be said to have aged badly when other games of the same genre surpass and improve upon it to the point that there is little reason to keep playing earlier versions.

Games that have aged well, like Doom, are still relevant. There are few examples of games since that have the gameplay and atmosphere of Doom, or executed these things as well as Doom did.

Games that have not aged well, like Wolfenstein 3d, are totally irrelevant beyond historical interest. So much so in fact that a year later Doom removed any reason to play the game.

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>>389741354
Yes

>>389745197
one games journalist(because those are the smartest people, right) thought that and then guru larry made a video mentioning it which is how you know it you fucking cancer get out of my house

>>389745653
I remember people bitching about having to use analogue sticks, hell I hated having to use it for ape escape too. That was just the one that was in my memory because I spoke to Larry for the first time in a few years recently and watched a bunch of his videos.

>>389745085
But you'll get used to it son

>>389745006
TB Iso still has a small following and FO1 is no better or worse than what is coming out today.

ARPGS are very popular and Morrowind would be laughed at if released today.

>>389745197
>Analogue sticks
And yet here we are, with wasd and mouse being the superior movement for shooters.

>>389745765
Fuck I remember buying an analogue only game before I knew to look at the icons because I was like, 7 or something now that I think about it. God my parents were mad as fuck.

It's relative. Games don't literally """age""" per se, but it's a simplified term to explain the situation where after time has passed and improvements to the genre or series itself, the original game seems bad in comparison.

For example, playing MGS 1 at release was amazing, but if you play it again after MGS2 came out, you would feel like it was a huge downgrade.

>>389745876
ofc. That's why I specified console shooters.

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Anything that prides itself solely on realistic graphics as well as any game that sets a trend in terms of story or gameplay ages like shit since everyone expands on their ideas and the original seems boring and predictable as a result.

>>389745876
Interesting. How is wasd better for movement than an analogue stick? You literally only have 8 direction on keyboard while you have 360 on console.
Not only that but analogue sticks are intuitive to humans while wasd requires interpretation.

>>389741898
something like Left 4 Dead 1 is completely, 100% obsolete compared to Left 4 Dead 2 since the second has all the content of the first plus more

then there are things like tank controls and early 3D games with awful cameras

>>389745843

No one cares that a small group of nostalgiafags are still buying "oldschool" isometric RPGs when Skyrim is selling 30+ million copies and has seen numerous successful ports and re-releases.

The Morrowind "genre" flourished because it has aged well. The isometric RPG is nothing but a struggling niche genre now. It has aged poorly.

>>389746608
Movement only needs the four cardinal directions for the most part in shooters. The rest is controlled by the precision of your mouse, which is controlled by your entire arm instead of your thumb and a restrictive control stick.

>>389747023
>It has aged poorly
Video games do not age. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. Learn to understand this and maybe your life won't be so shit.

>>389747116
No it doesn't only need those "cardinal directions" you need to be able to move in any direction at any time. And 360 directions are better than 8 directions. Fact.
Now when it comes to aiming with a mouse you could make the case that you have more control over the reticule. However does more control always make for better feeling control?
Id make the case that most PC shooters would be trash on console and at least a handful of console shooters would be trash on PC.
Killzone 2 for example would be trash on PC because of how weighty the controls were designed to be.

>>389747184
>Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.

It's not me, it's the market. It has clearly shown it prefers one type of RPG over the other. Learn not to take everything so personally and maybe your life won't be so shit.

Are there any old, not cel-shaded 3D games that have aged well? Have 3D games stopped aging so quickly yet? Games from 2012 still look like crap.

>>389745007
Best platformer ever. Along Kid Chameleon.

>>389748031
I played again the first asscreeds recently and I was surprised to see that the first one aged way better than the second one, it's still a very nice looking atmospheric game

Games do not get better or worse as time goes on.
Every complaint you can think of for say GoldenEye 007 now was a completly valid complaint at the time of release as well.

You are the one who changes, your taste and critical thinking skills change as time goes on so something that you previously liked you may not like anymore or vice versa.

>eat some pizza
>you enjoy it and think it's a very good pizza
>later on you eat a better pizza
>the first pizza now doesn't taste as good as the first time you ate it

there

>>389748530
>You are the one who changes, your taste and critical thinking skills change as time goes on so something that you previously liked you may not like anymore or vice versa.

Your experience changes too. There's a thing called wisdom that comes from experience.

To say that video games don't age is to argue there has been absolutely no progress in the video game industry at all. I know /v/ are a bunch of cynical fucktards who would claim that is true but it's not.

Yes, some games that were groundbreaking for their time are not as "good" anymore, whether its due to shitty controls, framerate or abhorrent graphics, games like Deus Ex are timeless aside from the graphics, which were shitty even for its day. While games like GTA3 were improved upon immensely by its sequels, especially VC and SA. Then you have games like Goldeneye when on a PC with proper controls, resolution and framerate the game is still a blast to play, but on its original console, its a total slog due to the sub 22 framerate, awful draw distance and horrendous controls (by todays standards)

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>>389742818
Tetris

>>389742818
old school runescaep

>>389749245
Individual games not games as a medium you dolt.

>>389742818

Ace/Air Combat

>>389749804

Individual games make up the game medium, you dolt.

>>389741738
Literally how? Unless a cartridge was in a flood or in a fire it will work or I can get it to work.

Aging refers to the physical process of changing with time.

You might argue that the media itself can age, but the data, the actual game, remains the same.

>>389751265
If we think of it that way then modern games that have been patched extensively, eg. Team Fortress 2, have actually "aged" quite a lot.

>>389751454
Version 1.1 and version 1.0 are actually different games.

>>389741354
"8 classic movies that have aged horribly" would never happen, idk why it'd happen to vidya

>>389742818
Doom/Doom II ,Quake, Deus-Ex, Unreal Tournament and so on.

>>389741354
Gameplay and graphics develop further, that's why we call it "age". There are games that you can bring out today and they would still work side by side with further develop technology, these game we called "aged good", then there are games you cannot bring out in the gaming market today because there gameplay mechanics wouldn't fit, these we call "aged bad".