How do we end pc piracy?

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>this thread again
Yawn

>>389635542
Stop making games 10$/€ more expensive every year for a start

>>389635609
a research is being conducted. brainstorming for a solution. the isp method seems best

>>389635542
Piracy still works fine, and that's a good thing.
I guess it's nice too that only people with more than 80 IQ can do it.

>>389635542
A lot of people will still buy the game even if you can pirate. Rampant piracy on the other hand is just a service problem that is solved by making it more convenient and agreeable to get to your game through the channels that you want people to go through.
It's not like prohibited file sharing is a huge crime or intellectual property is an important right that would necessitate eradicating it.

>>389635542
I don't give a fuck about new game, I emulate.
I'm doin king field and doom psx right now.

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>>389635542
Make all games free. You can't pirate if there is nothing to pirate.

Make buying more worthwhile than pirating.

>>389635739
Good luck making every ISP agree to this at once, because no singular company is going to want that kind of backlash.

>>389635542
You can't, deal with it

>>389636115
This. Better yet actually finish your fucking games before releases them, stop adding day 1 dlc and microtransactions in full price games

Or the best one PRICE YOUR GAME IN ACCORDANCE TO ITS LENGTH OR EVEN QUALITY

I mostly buy preowned because £45 for a game that will be £25 in a month is their fault, games like last guardian should have been £25-£30 on release not fucking £40-45

If they actually put a demo out they might see a decrease in piracy

>>389635542
By removing the jews from the game industry.

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>>389635542

>being a bitchboy for corporations that rule over ideas and infinitely copyable data
grow up
>doing it for free

>>389635542
you can pirate games on PS4 if you live in Brazil they've found a jailbreak for older firmwares

>>389635542
>pharmaceuticals killing off the poor in droves is okay because some muh vidya devs

>>389636593
shouldn't pirates and consumers be switched?

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>>389635542
>Piracy is "killing" video games
>Somehow devs/publishers still make billions every year

Fuck off.

>>389636802
>but they need to make hundreds of billions you selfish PIRATE!?!?!?! WHY DO YOU HATE OTHER PEOPLE MAKING MONEY??????

>>389635542
pirating is sharing, there's nothing wrong with that unless you're making money from it

>>389636802
Devs are killing video games

>spend millions on advertising and getting expensive voice actors
>skimp on making the game good
>ship it anyway

They’re fucking daft, they literally make no profit half the time because they don’t know how to budget

>>389636928
it's easier to just blow the budget out of the water and then blame people who torrent, form their eyes. It's a very short sighted mindset, honestly.

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You can flip through or borrow a book from a library before you purchase it.
You can watch television shows/movies on TV before you purchase them.
You can listen to music on YT before you purchase the album.
You can... oh wait, you have to purchase a game before you can tell whether or not you want it in the first place.

>>389635542
>Should ISPs' put us PC pirates on slow internet?

what's keeping me from getting VPN ?

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>>389636928
I understand that. I'm telling OP piracy is a minor-at-best problem in video games. We're living in times where some stupid fucks are willing to spend thousands of dollars for virtual gambling lootboxes, if you can't make a game good enough to profit in times like this your product is dogshit, plain and simple. No amount of DRM or ISP throttling is going to make people buy a shitty product instead of pirating it.

>us PC pirates
what kind of weak shilling is this?

>How do we end pc piracy?
By giving everyone a universal basic income

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>>389637151
>what's keeping me from getting VPN ?
Nothing and I'd whole heartedly endorse PIA if you're looking for one.

>>389637068
Were you born yesterday? There’s a thing called a demo that the developers have been forgetting to make recently but ps1/ps2 era you would get demo discs with your magazines and get to try a fuck tonne of games, developers should work with magazines again and it will revive both demo discs and magazine sales

>>389637242
t. Bernie Sanders

The only games that get pirated are ones with single-player content, since multi-player games don't work. So the answer is for developers to only focus on games the require online to be any fun.

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>>389635542
>how do we take freedom from people

fucking kill yourself

>>389637328
It's a troll answer to a troll thread.

>>389637068
You pay for a library card.
You pay for cable.
YouTube makes money off of ads.
You can rent videogames beofre you buy them. (RedBox, GameFly)

>>389637320
I played many demos in my youth.
How many demos have come out in the past decade?

Also pirating games wasn't much of a thing back when demos were commonplace. I'm sure some people did it, but not nearly as many people even could do so as can now.

Even if games were "good" or everything that pirates supposedly whine about, you'd still pirate it anyway

Nothing anyone can do. Shitty human beings will always exist

>>389637427
>You pay for a library card
What kind of backwards country do you live in
>You pay for cable
Lol just watch everything on the internet, we don’t pay shit
>YouTube makes money off of ads
Irrelevant
>You can rent videogames beofre you buy them. (RedBox, GameFly)

Non existant, blockbuster went down, we don’t have rental services here

>>389637471
There’s lots of demos on PS4, not so much on pc, but they should definitely think about them the gravity rush 2 demo made me buy both games because I enjoyed it so much

Do AAA studios still blame piracy for their failures?

>>389637427
>You pay for a library card.
You need a library card to walk in, pick up a book and start reading?

>You pay for cable.
No I don't, I was referring to regular-ass free programming.

>YouTube makes money off of ads.
At no cost to the consumer.

>You can rent videogames beofre you buy them. (RedBox, GameFly)
You're still basically gambling that the game won't be a waste of money.

have the game scrape data from personal computers
game devs sell the data.

It's not developers that care about piracy. Content creators are usually happy to make their money and still have poorer people experience their creation.
In almost every instance the person that feels the way OP does is a souless business drone that is profiting off of other people's work and contributes basically nothing.

It's funny how games with good reviews and practices never complain about piracy.

It's always the shitty cash grabs and huge companies that complain.

Really makes me think...

Danganronpa devs have a right idea - spending time an money on a free demo that people can try. I'd say it's an infinetely better strategy consumer-wise than shilling out millions on billboards and ads that show nothing about the game itself.

>>389635542

Torrenting isn't illegal, and there are many services out there that use torrenting as an easy, bandwidth cheap method of distributing a product.
Additionally, there are many methods of pirating a game that do not involve torrenting.

Given these two things, how are you going to identify who is and isn't a pirate?

>>389637068

And if you want a refund on a shitty and/or broken game you're an entitled fucking cunt who is destroying the industry.

I don't know much about piracy. But wouldn't piracy attract some people to the PC market anyway, so I'd imagine some manufacturers make money from it, even if unintentional, right?

>>389635542
Why does it matter to you you raging loser?

i have literally 0 problem with pirates
devs and publishers need to stop treating me like a criminal and downloading drm onto my computer

>>389635542
>>Piracy on consoles has ended now (ps4 / X1)

Well the tracker I frequent have iso's of all relevant PS4 (and bone) Games so just because it isn't playable right now doesn't mean it didn't get pirated.

Until studios stop releasing unfinished, buggy messes like Mass Effect Andromeda and No Man's Sky, I'll continue to pirate.

It's an absolute affront to pay £50 to play a broken rushed game.

>>389638926

Also, just look at the price points for some recent games.

£80 for Xcom2 + WotC
£55 for PoE + WM1+2 (this was crowdfunded for fucks sake)
£30 for Skyrim SE (a 5 year old game with community retexture packs included)

>>389635542
Make better games in order to encourage people to want to support your shit. This is literally the only way.

>>389635542
>Piracy has ended on consoles for now
Fixed that for you

>>389635542
I want to know why OP is so obsessed with sucking corporate dick.

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>>389640160
Op here. Its coz suits have my best interest at heart

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>>389635542
>>389635739
>ISPs having detection methods or getting reports
>What is just fining the case

My ISP turned off my interenet because I downloaded a Harry Potter ebook from some website, until I called them (asked to delete it while on the phone).

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There will always be a workaround. OP is dumb too. 2 years, what an idiot. What if i rent an apartment for a year or a few months, get that shit banned and move? Is the next resident going to get a surprise? What if I go to a motel, pay $30 for a night and just use their internet to torrent? Is that motel going to get theor shit throttled? Stupidity.

Publishers should just send OP the bill for all the pirated copies.

>>389642557
where do you live ?
JK Rowling's backyard ?

>>389636185
that is what we have the government and laws for

>>389644137
The States.. local ISP as well.

>>389644349
>implying government are not elected by people
They won't win election next term and politicians love their seat

As someone who's pirated shit for over eight years, has anyone gotten in trouble just for games? I've only ever heard tales of ISP emails about shows or movies and shit.

>>389644349
>So easily given over to government
This is why millennials are a plague

>>389635542
I use piracy as a way to tell if I want to buy a game, mostly indie games and weeb shit. Those are mostly hit or miss, take that away and I will be buying less games by a extreme quantity, like most the games. I would only buy retro games or wait close to ten years till I even try a game so only people who get the money are the third party sellers to spite companies that wont release demos.

>>389636695
jailbreak doesn't automatically equal piracy. no one has cracked ps4 eboots yet

>>389644534
>>389645016
>implying the government puts the wants of the people over the wants of corporations
l m a o

>>389635542
Demos

>>389644562
Ive been pirating everything since 2005 and have never got a letter or warning

Forcing ISPs to not sell their services to willing customers goes against the very spirit of capitalism that videogame copyright owners claim to represent.

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>>389645195
>>389645016 here, I never implied such a thing. I merely said you are a de facto plague on our country because you want to get the government involved on minor shit. And by your tone I take it that you agree that them getting involved is bad for us.

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this >>389636082 af

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>he pays for his video games

Inflation of game prices has caused pirating to go way up. There has to be a reasonable margin of price. Every game now ships with at least $20 more dlc and microtransactions. You end up paying $90+ for a full game experience. Middle class is your target audience, and it's just not feasible to keep demanding that from a declining income.

>>389635542
How the fuck do you have time to make this thread 3+ times a day? Give it a rest. Your idea is retarded.

>>389645454
You are actually retarded. Maybe try understanding the context of posts before you start sperging out because the government was mentioned. Here is the spelled-out version of that post

>the ISP companies not willing to comply with OP's idea is only a minor roadblock when the entertainment industry can lobby to get the government to force their hand as has happened in multiple countries around the world already

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>>389635542
>tfw this will never matter to you because you live in a country where pirated media is sold around every corner of the city
>If no one gives a fuck about public piracy being so rampant, ISPs here care even less
>You still buy a legit copy of shit that's fairly priced and worth it
Some of you should try having real freedom for once.

>>389645625
Jesus this so fucking hard. There is a reason that the indie crowed if becoming so fucking big. Every year we get more shine, less content, and more promises of content down the road once we pay for it.


When Minecraft came out it bucked the trend of the industry, it had a infinite amount of content and cost a fraction of a AAA game.There just isn't enough incentive to want to pay out 60 bucks for base game, then pay an additional 5 to 10 for character packs and/or maps and/or 5 hour story DLC. All in all there is no reason for any of us to want to be part of modern gaming.

>>389646029
And I said that you and anyone else that wants that is a plague and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>389644562
no because i'm selfish and never seed anything, thats how you get caught boyo

>>389644534
Normies pay for music, videos and games. They also vote. Pirates do neither.

>>389636593
denuvo should be numbr 4

since this thread topic blows, can we get some good torrent recommendaions that dont take up much disk space?

>>389647101
https://demonoid.pw/files/details/3645148/

>>389647627
>https://demonoid.pw/files/details/3645148/
thanks friend

>>389635542
why the fuck tho

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>>389636082
I'm playing Let it die right now and it's still a ton of fun despite not paying for it, even if it's about the micro transactions.
The solution should be to figure out a balance where the optionally purchased content is worth buying yet people don't have to if they don't want to. I have still yet to seen this implemented well though, none of the microtransactions I've seen so far are worth buying, but I totally would if they were.
The best I've seen in extra content content so far was the DLC in Dark Souls 3. If AAA games were released for free and their DLCs were equally as kickass as the DLC in that game, they could make good profit on the DLC alone. Make the DLC big, long, equally as fun as the main content, entirely optional to the main game's story, yet still cool.

With Let it die, I'm only about 25-30% of the way in and I still refuse to pay for stuff. I want to make sure the game won't throw some unfair shit at me on later levels where I would really have to pay them money to get through it. I'l only pay for the extra shit once I've beaten it. Having them available from the start is gross and I would never do that.

>>389644562
Only if you live in the land of the """free""" or germany

>>389647627
>https://demonoid.pw/files/details/3645148/
When the fuck did deminoid come back?

>>389642557
>asked to delete it while on the phone

That's freaking great.

>>389635542
>How do we end pc piracy?
you don't

>>389649469
This guys gets it, there is a reason why the most downloaded episode of GOT preceded a spike in HBO subscriptions.

>>389635542
>How do we end PC piracy
You don't, but the following can help reduce the incentive for it:
>provide demos for games
>stop using DRM

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>Piracy has ended now (ps4/xbone)
the fact youre wrong here to bait people is great. It hasnt ended, but in fact has just begun for those with dev hardware. its just a matter of making a loader on retail to have our piracy.

on xbox one its as irrelevant as can be right now since nobody is working on it due to lack of interest so your argument is perfectly acceptable here

I've already had my chance to experience PS4 piracy at its early stage and as much of a headache it is, it gets easier as time moves forward.

>How do we end pc piracy?

You don't.
If pirates don't want you to know what they are doing, they are completely capable of hiding everything, push comes to shove.

t. network admin

>>389636725
What

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change the price.
you can't have a game cost 60 dollaridoos in america with your average income, and 60 jewros in poland with their average iincome, ofcourse people are going to pirate and not just the ones that are poor but even the people that can afford it.
nowadays i only buy games like dark souls and some multiplayer ones only because of MUH ONLINE GAYMIN EXPERIENCE.

>>389648749
Funny thing though, "free to play" mobile games get hacked all the fucking time so that you can easily get max of the in game currencies or upgrades or whatever. "Free to play" becoming standard would just make that hacking more common and that would be the new "pirating". The problem isn't the model of exploitation, but that it's done in the first place.

>>389635542
Kill yourself filthy bootlicker

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>>389636928
I agree, voice acting is a cancer. Not to mention it usually results in shittier writing/dialogue because the writers are less at liberty to re-write and edit down segments that don't work.

Then the game ships with shitty dialogue.

>>389650491
I don't know why he made those connections but I think he was referencing the fact that modern medical/pharma prices out the poor to death killing them off since they don't make that much money off them. I have no clue how that is connected to pirating, there is more of a connection to the prison system then games.

>>389650657
That's always going to happen, so they might as well experiment with the model itself.
If at least one major AAA title would do what I wrote earlier that'd change the industry entirely. Only a tiny minority of gamers would keep pirating if most of it would be free anyway.

Is it a good idea to pirate on university internet? Should I use Tor browser?

>>389635542
>I WANT THEM PUNISHED FOR THEIR CRIMES
>SLOW THEIR INTERNET DOWN NOW!!!!!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389638672
>devs and publishers need to stop treating me like a criminal and downloading drm onto my computer
You mean for doing illegal things people are going to treat you like a criminal?

>>389651342
Depends on your country. If you are in an anglo nation or western europe, you should be cautious.
In eastern europe or the rest of the world they won't care unless you do it so much that you overload the entire network. Just be aware that whoever has host access to the network itself can probably see what you're doing.

>tfw pirated over a TB worth of shit within a year and my ISP never said anything

Feels good

>>389635542
This isn't the answer. The answer is to make PC piracy much harder for the average person, so only the narrow strip of slightly-competent game players (i.e. people on here, at the very least) can pirate. That way, gaming is saved while anyone with half a mental-testicle can figure out how to get games for free.

>>389638926
Why are you pirating unfinished games?

>>389651625
I live in the United States and my university has the fastest fucking internet I've ever seen. Damn near a GB per second. I'm so tempted but I have no idea if I'd get caught or if there's a way to hide it

>>389649238
Stealing things infringes on other people's property rights.

>>389651801
Piracy isn't theft

>>389637427
You don't pay for a library card. You can also walk into a bookstore, pick a book off the shelf and skim through it.

>>389651620
>You mean for doing illegal things people are going to treat you like a criminal?
You need some reading comprehension, its clear he said he pirates because if he buys it they put spyware on his computer.

>>389651801
>property rights.
Intellectual rights actually, but most companies have strong lawyerfu that it doesn't matter. Blame the mouse, Disney almost lost him so they rewrote the laws to be more jackbooted and anti consumer.

>>389637427
>not even third world countries do this anymore

>>389637427
>You pay for a library card.
I don't think you were laughed at quite enough for this post yet
also
>YouTube makes money off of ads.
do you know how many people use adblock? you gonna suggest their internet is throttled too?

>>389635732
First, there's inflation to account for, and second - bigger development costs, bigger marketing costs, etc. Sure, movie blurays/cinema tickets cost way less, but they also still have a much broader audience they can reach, while (AAA) videogames are still not as mainstream.

>>389637427
>You pay for cable
Absolutely correct!
I paid for the cable that I used to pirate my games.

>tfw ISP is my village's town hall
>Came in to subscribe to 100Mb/s
>Guy goes "Have fun torrenting, it's been months since I shut down my computer"
>That guy is actually the guy in charge for reporting piracy and torrenting
>He doesn't give a fuck about it

I think I'll live there as long as this guy keeps his job.

>>389651780
Depends on campus rules and customs then. Maybe they don't care, maybe they do. Read the campus rules regarding to this and ask older students if it's fine. Maybe everyone is doing it already.
Or maybe it's unprecedented and you'll be the first one to be made an example of. You guys do a lot of crazy shit over there.
But as a general rule don't start an international file sharing community with their network. If you grab a few things here and there, the admins might see it but they won't care.

I live in Hungary and a few years ago it was a big news story that some college students used the college internet to run a national torrenting site. They were crazy efficient thanks to the high speed internet and big corporations kept filing police reports to the point where the Interpol had to come to the scene and arrest some kids. The service is now in some Coconut Island servers purchased with bitcoins.
Here the general attitude towards it is you can pretty much do it for your own entertainment, just don't be a retard and at least try to cover your tracks if you try to seed anything and the gubmint won't go after you.
In the US the general attitude of the law seems to be the same but I've seen some cases where a few kids were made an example of because they didn't know what they were doing. Ask around campus first.

>>389652845
haha, nice

>>389646428
>Normies vote

Have you SEEN brexit/trump?
Normies complain on twitter and then dont vote, letting the evil shitbag pirate neets win.

>>389635542
I just played bloodborne pirated on ps4 so wtf did he meant by this

>>389651780
well, whatever you do, i wouldn't do it a lot and don't do it in your room or signed into your account if possible. i used to torrent in the library when i was in college but that was before they mandated students to sign in to connect to the internet

cost of games. I paid 20 euros for age of empire 2 and 20 euro for sly 2 which had a ratchet and clank 3 demo.

now we have shitty games at 70 euro plus 30 euro dlc's and no demo

>>389654794
Yeah, the lack of demos these days is really depressing. Every game should have a demo.

actually nevermind sly 2 was 62 euros originally, fuck that , industry was fucked from the start
piracy forever.

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>>389635542
>bait thread
>newfags actually bite

>>389635542
this is bait

>>389635542
Start using GoG instead of steam exclusively.

>>389655461
>>389655630
It's nice to have conversations on generic topics sometimes.

Anyone think that it's pathetic that pirates try to take the moral high ground?

You're doing something that would destroy the industry if everyone else did it.

>>389635542
>piratebay

That's so 2000's pops. These days you can just stream a movie or show directly. Video games? Just use IRC and get a direct transfer from a bot, much faster than bittorrent.

>>389656805
>You're doing something that would destroy the industry if everyone else did it.
You just described the gaming, if the rest of the entertainment industry did their practices they would die off. Dre wouldn't sell cheap head sets if they announced that their fan base is dead to them, movie industry would crumble if they refuse to put out a trailer calling movie goers entitled, you can troll all you want just don't say something stupid like that.

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>>389635542
We dont, I dont pirate anymore but am perfectly fine becuse if I hadn't, my high school self wouldn't have played the games that I ended up loving the most and buying for the most part, piracy is perectl fine and there is nthing you can do agaist it.

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You can help stop a significant % of piracy by making demos a standard again.

>>389646428
piracy of music and video is actually pretty mainstream

>>389658204
i dont think they are as much since spotify came to prominence

>>389657570
Most developers have never said something like their fan base is dead to them and nearly every game has a trailer or two.

You're a dumbass if you think trailers are comparable to demos. They're more like free samples in a restaurant, nice to have but it doesn't justify taking what doesn't belong to you and most people are okay when there aren't free samples.

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HOW TO END PC PIRACY
>everyone who owns a PC will be given a job that starts at $50k per year so that they don't have to resort to piracy
Give me a (You) if you agree!

>>389658583
Thank you for agreeing

@389658508
>"Well off people don't pirate" meme

:^)

>>389658508
I make 50k a year and still pirate :)

>>389658243
With the advent with music streaming services and monetized youtube videos music piracy just doesn't seem necessary anymore.

>>389658278
>You're a dumbass if you think trailers are comparable to demos.
They both give you an idea of what to expect in the product.

>They're more like free samples in a restaurant,
False equivalency nufag, food has a base metric you can base your understanding of what good or bad it, media differs from person to person.

>nice to have but it doesn't justify taking what doesn't belong to you and most people are okay when there aren't free samples.
Again false equivalency, your not taking something from someone so that product can't be sold to a different customer like food, a digital product isn't removing product. You need to step up your game nufag.

Also I'm not paying 60+ dollars for a meal, when I go to a restaurant to order a steak only to be told its 10 for the baked potato, 5 for the vegtibles or 25 for the meal pass, and if its not to my liking I can send it back or get my money back. If I do that with a game they have a autistic fit, and refuse to give a full refund in most cases.

>>389635542
>How to end piracy
Ban poor people and millenials from using personal computers and have them be forced to use a library while having their usage monitored

>>389635542
If there was a three strike warning for retards then you wouldn't be posting here anymore :^)

>>389658949
The point stands that if everyone pirated then the industry would collapse, it's not a service issue, it's a lack of morals from pirates. You have no right to claim the moral high ground just because a demo wasn't released. Not even all older games (e.g. Morrowind) had demos.

Have cute anime DRM. If your game is pirated, a cute anime girl is always in the corner of the screen crying. People will feel too guilty to pirate.

>>389657570
>Dre wouldn't sell cheap head sets if they announced that their fan base is dead to them, movie industry would crumble if they refuse to put out a trailer calling movie goers entitled
Name 2 company that says their Customers are pieces of shit. And no, pirates aren't customers you faggot.

>>389659321
>The point stands that if everyone pirated then the industry would collapse,
Ignoring the point that the recent episode of game of thrones that broke download records of the most pirated tv show has no correlation with the spike in subscriptions the few days after. Also how do musicians do it when I can get free music like anywhere?

>it's not a service issue,
It is, when we don't know what were are getting you have to wait on word of mouth and reviews and in this day and age reviews can't be trusted.

>it's a lack of morals from pirates.
Again you keep beating this dead horse, its been proven that people are more likley to buy a game if they try it first. If its a game I wasn't going to buy in the first place then who lost money?

>You have no right to claim the moral high ground just because a demo wasn't released. Not even all older games (e.g. Morrowind) had demos.
As stated you could trust reviews back then when it wasnt political platform and rental was still a thing.

Stop your nufag moral crusade, its pathetic.

>>389659980
Wasn't there a whole thing about us being entitled when we tried to fight Mass effect 3, also Microsoft says it constantly, its part of why we hate them.

Why do they try to stop it. Autists will aim to crack them even harder and were back at zero

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>>389660441
>its been proven that people are more likley to buy a game if they try it first.
Source me, I've actually heard the opposite, that people are less likely to buy a game with a demo because they already feel the satisfaction that would had come from playing the full game.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/game-demos-can-hurt-sales-suggests-research/1100-6410863/

>>389661031
In hindsight, this is a pretty bad slide, it doesn't take into account the fact that many AAA games only had trailers, smaller budget niche games had demos and only literally who games wouldn't have trailers or demos.

>>389660441
Sauce on that Microsoft insult?

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>>389635542
>Wanting to end piracy
It's like you WANT corporations to RAPE our industry.

For a site that used to be anti establishment like 4chan, you "richfags" are becoming more and more retarded.