You start up a new MMORPG and are presented with this option.

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GOTTA
GO
FAST

>>389630294
you get more done with the second pair

FAST

>>389630294
Leather, the second ones are worthless in combat, so good luck getting your ass kicked in pvp and not getting invited into raids

>>389630294
Second pair is the only pair.

>>389630294

20% movement speed. Faster farming, cut down on travel time between quests etc.

If mounts are in the game for end game, 5% defense for raiding/pvp.

>>389630417
if your movement speed is faster than that of others, you will be able to pick your fights.
you will be able to flee from advancing foes
you will be able to intercept enemies attempting to avoid conflict

>>389630294
>+1 defense

>>389630294
+5% def is better since it's combat stats.
Sure, the other one let's you be faster, but it only let's you do things sooner while def is always useful.

>beating the game 20% slower

lol

>>389630294
Always fast, mmos are fucking slow as shit with their massive but empty maps

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>>389630294
>op knowingly gives not enough info
>people make assumptions and then say why their answer is better
>250 replies and 135 images omitted.

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I want to make a turn based mmorpg. Less action more strategy so there will be no skill involved only knowledge.
Monster weaknesses, gear horizontal, open world but instanced battles with up to 64 players per fight.

>>389630294
>MMORPG

Are you fucking kidding me with these bullshit choices? I'll be spending 95% of the game outside of the endgame dungeons, most of the game not in combat, and I guarantee you half of the guides for them will be written "Tanks with the Boots of Haste instead of the Leather Boots will need x / y additional gear (or have nothing to worry about)" rather than "Tanks without the Leather Boots can fuck off".

>>389630487
>shoot an arrow at you from 50 feet away
>now at a significant disadvantage because you're technically in combat
But hey, at least you can do busy quests that don't involve combat faster, because that's why people play multiplayer games.

>>389630294
I always get move speed when its an option

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>>389630294
My first choice is to ban all Brazilian players

>>389630487
>if you get aggro, you're in combat
nah, eat shit mate

Haste and then pay $10 for the cash shop item that lets me swap once I get to end game and am just standing around in town.

I always play as a black guy and I'm always a criminal
Speed boots

Depends on MMORPG
If i was playing something like EVE online (Game without tons of lvling and every bit of stats is important in combat) i'd take first, but in generic korean trash mmo's i'd take second cuz i want to finish that leveling shit faster

>>389630294
Healers can heal that extra 5%. No one is going to make me permanently increase my character's movement speed.

>>389631030
It's hard to say what the equivalent of 20% out of combat speed is in eve, if it was align time and warp speed i'd take it.

>>389630417
>leatherfags enjoying 20% slower raids and farming
Yeah how's that defense treating you?

/spoiler/i gay/spoiler/

> no im not ajajjajajajaj

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>>389630417
>not having ms buff in raids
Enjoy your marginal dps loss from moving out of danger's way

An MMO? Haste. As much as I love tankiness, there's more to the game than combat.

I play a better game

>>389630294
Depends how challenging this MMO is.
99.9% of MMOs only stop throwing piss-easy cannon fodder at max level, so why the fuck would I need defense at low levels?.

>>389630597
>turn based with 64 players
I'm gonna fell asleep waiting my turn.

>>389630294
If the combat system isn't broke, the +5% def won't be necessary, and the move speed will help me finish game much quicker.

>>389630294
Are those boots on the left from Tibia?
Also I go with haste boots of course

>>389630294
Leather boots.

>>389630294
in most mmorpgs a 5% defense boost is almost always going to be irrelevant
you either get games where spamming healing items is the norm so a little extra defense is worthless or you have games that are optimized for party play where the majority of the party isn't going to be getting hit very often anyways.
nobody but the most hardcore of autists would take defense boots. if it were +5% damage then it would be a completely different story, but it's not.

>>389630575
Almost like ambiguous questions will lead to further discussion. What do you want OP to ask?

>Which is better, +5% defense boots or +10% defense boots?

First response is "the second one" and the thread dies.

>>389630294
Is there a disengage spell/skill we can take?
I'd lean more towards the movespeed, since a lot of other gear slots are gonna be able to make the 5% defense negligible - 20% movespeed is hard to recuperate since the boots are locked and boots always provide 99.9% of movespeed buffs.

>>389635054
Boty arę grom tibia

>mmo
literally just click randomly as no decision I make in the game will ever matter.

>>389630294
>free BoHs at level 1
Shit nigga sign me in.
I'd make a bank just selling the account.

>>389630597
wow you'd only have to wait two weeks for each turn

>>389630506
>play a class that can kite and generally doesn't take hits
>def is always useful!
I'm 20% ahead of you.

>>389630597
>64
shit nigga
it was boring to wait with 8 people in Dofus

You'd have to make it like Frozen Synapse, where everyone makes their move and combat turn resolves at once for everyone.

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>5% def
>take 21 hits instead of 20 before dying, irrelevant if you can't handle 20 in the first place

>20% move speed
>can kite all the melee enemies easier
>can LoS all the ranged enemies easier

Is this one of those "casual vs hardcore playstyle" questions?

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>>389636137
>>389636572
I explained myself very badly. 64 means 16 parties of 4 furthermore turns are timed like 30-40 seconds. Parties can join the battle mid combat.


Open world would be a problem it needs to be like guild wars with instances outside of town.

>>389636680
Out of combat movement speed.

>>389636680
Reading is fundamental.

>>389630294
Leather, of course.

>>389630294
Leather Boots are a min max faggot perfectionism solution. People like this are never successful and are just autistic as fuck.

Boots of Haste are a practical solution. You make your playtime immensely more enjoyable by cutting down on a lot of time for the mere price of having a minor disadvantage in the post game.

>>389630294
first one if you're a powergaming cunt

second one if you're a lazy/impatient cunt

>>389630294
I uninstall the game. That's really stupid.

>>389636785
>a minor disadvantage in the post game
Have fun not getting into raids because you wanted to run a bit faster and cut down slightly on your time grinding

>>389636963
Getting into raids is a social skill. No one wants to play with people that are overly autistic and pay attention to every single detail to begin with.

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>>389636963
>raid leader tries to kick me from the group
>can't catch me because he's a leathercuck

>>389637049
>Getting into raids is a social skill
Comparing gear score is a social skill now is it?

My my I'm suddenly a real social butterfly

I never play classes that rely on armour a lot (mages or rangers), so 5% extra armour is shit.

20% extra movement speed is godly regardless of how quick or slow your base movement speed is.

>>389637143
>pug shitter

>>389637143
>I never played a MMO
Yeah, it's entirely social. If you're a cool dude and are not too shit at the game you will be always picked over the min max social outcast faggot.

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Pick one, and only one.

Haste boots. Moving 20% faster is honestly just ridiculous compared to 5+% defense unless it's one of those games where ever single point is game changing.

>>389637275
I play eve online.

It's... different.

>>389637298
Right

>>389637298
The left ones because they give elemental resistance which is harder to come by.

>>389637437
>playing eve
>not picking 20% more movement speed
What?

>>389637549
>out of combat movement speed
>in eve
>relevant
pick 2

>>389630294
Utility > Defense, if you disagree you're a shitter

>>389636963
That mitigation will be useless on anyone but tanks, and tanks are exception only because no boots with damage buff exist.


>>389637298
Left to trigger people that my almost full perfect armor is "ruined" by these clown shoues.

>>389630294
Movement Speed >>>>>>> 5% Defense

>>389635910
How about not making these retarded bait threads in the first place? There is nothing to discuss. The answer is always "it depends".

>>389637784
I would agree if it's general movement speed, but it only applies when you're out of combat.

So it's not gonna help you when you actually need it. It'll just save you some time while running around the world.

>>389630294
Boots of haste. Anyone who says anything else is shit. They are superior for every role, including tanks. 20% faster speed outside of combat = less time spent out of combat = faster completion time of dungeon and faster pulls. Minimizes time between pulls.

The BoH simply do not compare to a measly 5% defense even if it was a flat 5% damage reduction

>enter pvp area with haste boots
>see some trash player with leather boots
>don't actually enter combat until you're within his range
>he has no chance of getting away from you because of the 20+% speed
Haste boots are pvp meta.

>>389638107
>>he has no chance of getting away from you
He doesn't need to because he has 5% more defense than you.

>>389630620
Name an MMO where you can engage in combat at that range

>>389637918
5% defence is very unlikely to significantly help you in combat either, unless you're a shitter that either can't play so he fucks up every fight or the game forces you into these 5% defense situations. Take note that 5% defense do not mean 5% hp, it's probably much less. Not to mention that to scale defense well you need to have solid defense to begin with with other items. 20% movement speed however would let you do everything much faster, including grinding itself. 20% movement speed is top tier in 99% of the games.

>>389638148
Pick favorable fights, you can escape from anyone with leather boots anyway so you don't have to worry about anyone stronger than you attacking.

>>389637918
I'll be spending the vast majority of my time dicking around the world, if I can dick around 20% faster it's all the better for me. Even in a dungeon, that lets you go 20% faster outside of combat, which is a massive improvement to efficiency.
>So it's not gonna help you when you actually need it. It'll just save you some time while running around the world.
The only ways the extra 5% Defense would matter is if the raid bosses require EVERYONE to be as tanky as hell because the boss literally pisses out damage to everyone, or if Defense is utterly busted, and potentially allows for zero/near zero damage from even endgame tier enemies if stacked high enough.

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Depends entirely on what exactly constitutes 'out of combat'.

If it's something like a physical radius around an enemy then yeah sure. If it's the second an enemy chooses to engage me then no. It's worthless.

>>389638248
>Take note that 5% defense do not mean 5% hp, it's probably much less.
Well that would depend on the game mechanics so it can go either way. It could be flat 5% damage reduction which is huge or simply 5% extra "defense" stat which could be worth fuck all. Still it's better than no bonus in combat in my opinion.

I don't care about having to take a little bit longer to grind. At worst it takes 20% longer to grind to max level, probably much less.

>>389638168
In City of Heroes, you could spec a ranged build so your snipe power could reach up to 280 feet, and all of your other powers varied from 80 to 180 feet depending on the power. That wasn't even with +range enhancements which probably let you reach 350 feet.

Boots of haste nigga. You don't need 5% defense. Just don't suck dick at the game

>>389630294
create 2 characters and give 1 both the boots, 1 for out of combat and one for in combat depending on the combat mechanics

>>389638654
The boots can't be taken off.

>>389638654
>can't be removed

>>389638707
>>389638740
So just put on the speed boots over the defense boots.

What are you dumb?

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>+10 hp
or
>+1 armor
This should be easy for /v/

>everyone saying they'll take the speed boots for use in combat

>>389638798
But how would you get the speed boots if they can't be removed from the other character?

Are you dumb?

>>389638950
Even in a dungeon it's superior for getting from encounter to encounter faster.

>>389638985
You never put them on in the first place, dummy.

>>389638834
10 HP. Armor doesn't mitigate much at low go.

>>389638834
Depends on armor mechanics.

If it's AOE2 logic then I'll take the armour for the flat reduction to enemy damage.

>>389630294
This is a waste of everyones time. Left if you cant change them. Right if you can change them.....

>>389638834
+10 hp is insane in hotline miami.

>>389638834
Armor, HP is boring.

>>389633946
"Outside of combat"

>>389630294
Leather boots of haste because in 3 patchs the developers will remove that retarded choice and add enchanting.

>>389638602
Not an argument

If I'm playing a tank the leather boots, anything else haste boots.

>>389637298
Rainbow nigga. Beep beep, can't down the clown.

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>>389639650
>not being an offtank
>not doing deep deeps while standing in the red circles not giving a fuck
Literally you on the right

>>389632113
>20% slower raids and farming
What the fuck kind of raid has most of the time spent walking through it out of combat?

>>389639930
/v/ has grade school level reading comprehension. Most people missed the out of combat qualifier.

>>389640009
More like 'choose to ignore it' for ebin (you)'s

>>389630294
no way this doesn't have mounts
meanwhile +5% is insanely good when your DR is within 65-75% range

>>389640123
>merely pretending
K.

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>>389637298
Put some of this shit in the left pair and watch the world burn.

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>>389630294
>boh
Right in the feels, oldschool tibia those were the good times

>>389640145
Yes they are. You must be new here.

>>389640123
You're giving them too much credit.

>>389630294
If the MMO works like shitty WoW then everyone will exploit the boots of haste. Just stay out of range for a few seconds in PVP and you get dropped out of combat, every ranged class will be OP against melee.

>>389630294
Any good RPG has the main pieces of gear being defensive while accessories are for supportive perks, +5 defense is meaningless when you have good armor

>>389640224
>bag of holding
Faggot, we're talking about shoes here.

>>389640248
I don't think I'm the new one here if you still have such faith in a retard's intelligence.

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>>389630294
>Tibia
>at level 18 you could run as fast as a giant spider
>so technically with a paladin you could kill it even though it would kill you in virtualy one hit.
>later on they patch the GS to give it a haste ability, make it temporarily as fast as level 50's
>many people don't read patch notes
>thousands in the next few weeks
>people also were able to lure giant spiders to beginning area's and towns full of low levels before they patched it
>remember that dying in tibia meant you lost a shitton of experience and equipment.

Fuck this game was so good before they started casualising it

>>389638834
10 hp, what are you, stupid?

>>389637642
>raid damage doesn't exist

>>389630294
>These are the only shoe options in the entire game
What a horrible MMO and lazy dev team.

>>389630294
One of each

>CTRL+F Tibia
>6 results
Good job /v/

>>389630294
I play a different MMO because you can tell it's bad if it only has 2 foot options in the entire 1000+ hours you invest into the game.

>>389637882
holy shit are you retarded? people talking about the topic at hand is a discussion

>>389630294
>Using anything leather that's not a belt

You must be level 18 or higher to use this site OP

What game are you idiots playing where enemies are aggroed on you yet you're not considered in combat?

>>389641247
>not using a leather cowl
Ishiggy

>>389641247
AW DUDE

>>389641304
"In combat" could refer to you attacking/getting hit, with a timer after you get attack/get hit before you get reset into "Out of combat". Having fuckers coming after you means nothing if you're not actually trading blows just yet.

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>>389641153
Are you? How braindead do you have to be to find this entertaining? It's always the same shit.

Movespeed
If I'm playing a caster class, my base defense will be shit, so a % boost would be insignificant.

>>389641421
In just about any MMO with PVE, the enemies you aggro will chase you until you run out of their aggro range. As long as you got aggro you're considered to be in combat. In the case of FFXI, the enemies would chase you until you reach a loading screen.

none
run about naked while i still can for shits and giggles before the gear minmaxing actually begins

>>389638834
Since armour can only reduce physical attacks, I'll go for HP to tank both magical and physical.

>>389640893

Did the exact same thing.

Very impressed with the outcome considering its age.

BoH cause pkers will forever shit on your life if you can't match speed to avoid them.

>>389637119
Underrated.

>>389641352
4 STR
4 STAM

>tfw first BoH

Holy shit, being able to outrun the BR's while farming Cyclopses was like being a new man.

I miss this game, anons.

>>389638834
+1 armor
>don't have to wait for or build engineering bay/forge/evo
>save 100 minerals and gas
+10 hp lings sound pretty good though t b h

>>389645279
3 gambler's flails and then I spend my time attacking trees.

>>389630294
the movement speed shoes, this isn't even a difficult choice

>>389645279
dagger and brick best combo

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>>389645279
Dual wield bricks.
>10% more hp
>20% damage reduction
>consistent damage output even with reduced attack speed
>range attack
>directly counters speedblade
WOOO~

>>389640565
>uTevo GrAn LuX
Fuck, it still baffles me whenever I see shit typed like that, I remember people also loved to throw in cringy phrases to the spells like "ShOw M3 Th3 L1GhT"
I miss Tibia ;_;

>>389645875
attack speed doesn't change, just speed

>>389630294
This is kind of a bad example. Starting out, +5% defense isn't going to amount to much unless it has a bloated stat system, and getting from point A to point B in the fastest manner possible is always going to be more important in MMOs. Time is money and EXP.

>>389630294
20% is massive and way too big to ignore. On the flip side, the number of fights that 5% would make a difference, particularly in MMOs, is microscopic.
Give me the fucking move speed. The rich get richer.

>>389646284
>Time is money and EXP.
No its not. It doesn't matter how fast you progress, the endgame content is the only thing that matters.
Being able to get from A to B 20% faster is a crutch for people who are easily bored, and if you are easily bored then you shouldn't be playing MMOs in the first place. Yes, 5% is almost nothing, but 20% more movespeed when out of combat IS nothing.

>>389646776
You obviously haven't played very many MMOs.

>>389636039
Ttbqhwyfdd

Newfags here who doesn't know tibia sperging about the BoHs, nigga those shits save lives from monsters and pks

>>389630294
Haste, and fight well enough such that i don't get hit

>>389630597
Open world rts
Mixed with d2

>>389646445
What the fuck are you talking about? There are tanks in mythic clears right now that would sell their own arms for a 2% in defense. The better option for endgame content is clear.

>>389647095
>tfw keep thinking of this idea too
It seems way too massive to do on my own, but it also seems like such a cool idea.

>>389646776
>taking 45 minutes to travel as opposed to an hour to travel to your destination is nothing
this is bait right

>>389646776
>What is PvP?

>>389630294
depends on how combat is defined ingame, but probably the haste ones

>>389647234
I was talking about pvp.
But yes, in that one case defense is better, but we're making broad generalizations here

>>389646930
Only played bit of Ragnarok, Lineage 2, LotRO, WoW until Cata, DC Universe, Dragons Dogma Online, Monster Hunter Online.
>>389647282
Only counts towards retarded gimmicky gamemodes like capture the strategic point/flag. Not true peeveepee.
>>389647069
Initiating combat counts as being in combat, even if you haven't recieved a hit yet.

>>389640565
br?
fri moni plx
report

>>389647095
Controlling any unit ? ..Or heroes?

>>389647483
>gimmicky
Positioning is super helpful for interesting combat.

>>389647483
Funny, because in at least half of those games, you are given very quick modes of transportation or ways of warping around in a quick manner. Being able to move on to your next objective in a smooth, quick fashion is pivotal to playing MMOs. No one wants to be stuck travelling for several hours at a time after they've seen the scenery at least once.
Also >WoW until Cata
Are you fucking serious? If you had to literally run across Azeroth forever without a mount, flight paths, etc, the game would take exponentially longer just to hit max or complete simple class quests. Hell, running to Tarren Mill can take over an hour. Heading to the Shimmering Flats from Crossroads for the first time would take even longer. Think before you post.

>>389630294
Defense is usually a useless stat in MMORPGs, let alone only 5%. 20% mvt speed is faster more useful because Time = Money. More running between towns, more quests done, more fame gotten, more cutscenes done etc = 20% more time doing other shit.

It's the first trap newbies get caught in when they play Eve Online. Wasting time travelling a few systems to get a slight discount on an item when they couldve just bought it at a higher price already and gone back to farming and made the money back.

>>389648116
Good goy

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>>389630294
>new MMORPG

Well since none of those are hard, haste boots.

Defense boots if there's actual challenge but come on that's never going to happen again.

>>389641470
That gif isn't how the infinite chocolate bar illusion actually works. The chocolate bar still shrinks, the small loss of mass is just spread so said loss isn't very noticeable.

>>389630294

My starting defense probably sucks with no gear....5% of 1 aint getting you anywhere.

>>389640565
> recently started playing with friends
> on depot, pvp server
> lvl 13 Druid keeps asking for food
> tell him to fuck off
> get spammed with messages from people saying I was reported
> faggot and his friends threaten to hunt me
Heh

>>389645279
Dual wielding Big Bubba Brick.

>>389645773
I just means you're medicore in speed and have a good defense but can't hit worth a shit.

>>389630294
haste for pvp if it's somewhat open world pvp where you're not trying to big dick into a group of people and can maneuver around and take out the least defended people

>>389630294
I'd take the second. I know the first would be better stat-wise or in pvp, but the boots of haste would help you get around places quicker, accepting and completing quests quicker. If I had all the time in the world I'd pick the first, but I don't.

>>389637298
Flashy=better stats

If it's just those two stats to consider, there is no reason not to pick faster movement ever.

Faster movement is always going to be my go to.

>>389641470
Is the gif actually suposed to trick people? The way it makes the chocolate pieces longer is not that hard to notice

>>389630294
If it was 20% defense vs 5% speed, I would still choose speed.

>>389630294

>Starting a new game with these options
>5% defense is a beginning gear option that will likely be replaced within an hour
>20% movement bonus is a gimmicky ability that likely won't be replaced, at least not for a long while

It's worth picking the movement speed in the long run, only an idiot would choose the defense.

>>389630805
Do you even know what greentext is?

I miss old tibia, but I like the new market system

I hate the new quests though, they completely missed what made the original quests so fun, way to suck the mystery out of the game

>>389647276
that would be 25%, not 20%

>>389638168
TERA, BDO, FFXIV
50ft really isn't that far anon

>>389630560
>20% slower

16.6...%

>>389649895
"""""Offtank""""""

>>389640565
Brs and Poland ruined the game, along with cheats

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>>389630294
Movement speed obviously.

Defense only effects physical damage and you're only in combat during actual attack animations so kiting isn't even dramatically effected.

Get shit on newfags with your useless 5% defense boost to a pair of shitty level 1 boots. That's going to be entirely meaningless once the rest of your gear outstrips it.

What a fucking bait thread.