Did we really need anything after 3?

>>389598126
Did we really need anything after 1?

>>389598126
4 was pretty nice, but V was unbearable.

>>389598232
Arguably an even better question.

>>389598126
>Did we really need anything after 3?

yes because it never answered the questions 2 raised at the end

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>>389598268
What, are you telling me you DIDN'T like Mr. Bones' Wild Ride?

>>389598427
I would have rather spent years puzzling it out as best as possible and not got any sequels. I hate ruining a perfectly good almond activation with explicit detail.

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>>389598427
Was it really worth it?

>>389598126
>worst and most casual stealth series ever made
>written by a hack with the mentality of a teenager
>themes are a bunch of conspiracy nonsense and/or pseudo-intellectual post-mo crap
>90% of all characters are wacky insane idiots with completely flat personalities
>gameplay becomes more broken with each new installment
>lots of shitty boss battles despite that they're supposed to be stealth games

Did we ever need any of them at all?

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>>389598583
>perfectly good
that doesn't apply to MGS2

>>389598636
>Was it really worth it?
Yes. Especially since it eventually led to one of the more fun experiences I had in gaming

>>389598465
MR BONES I WANT TO GET OFF YOUR WILD RIDE

>>389598712
>doesn't apply to MGS2
Compared to 4 it does

>>389598268
I didn't even finish V. The whole "episode" layout, the story fell apart, it was just horrible.

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No, we really did not

I'm embarrassed for anyone who unironically likes MGS4.

>>389599507
I'm embarassed for anyone who unironically likes MGSV.
Seriously, at least 4 resembled an actual MGS game.

>>389599507
what if I like parts of 4?

Like Chapter 4, the final boss, Rex vs Ray, explaining what the fuck went on with 2, and improved Raiden?

>>389598126
Did we really need anything after 2?

No seriously, did we? MGS3 fucking sucks.

>>389598126
people were mad about mgs2 ending ambiguously

really mad

>>389598232
MG1 you mean
Kojima really jumped the shark with Metal Gear 2 and going 3D was the final nail in the coffin

>>389599653
>Did we really need anything after 2?

yes due to the ambiguous ending

>>389599716
Then you missed the point.

>>389598427
Questions Kojima came up with on a whim and never intended to be answered really didn't need to be answered

>>389598702
The boss battles are to switch things up from the stealth
Have you played any MGS games?
And wow I had a sneaking suspicion you liked to whip this out every time you see an MGS thread, looks like I was right
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/worst%20and%20most%20casual%20stealth%20series%20ever%20made/

>>389599775
there was no point.

>>389599792
>and never intended to be answered
post proof.

>really didn't need to be answered
except they did.

>>389599660
>>389599716
MGS2 ended perfectly, it didn't need a sequel. The story ended with MGS1, MGS2 is a meta commentary on sequels. It's not coincidental that the last good MGS game (MGS3) was a prequel, once Kojihack became the sole director of the series he created the abomination known as MGS4.

>>389599808
>Have you played any MGS games?

Unfortunately.

The series should've stayed dead after 4. As much I would have LOVED to play it more rather than watch it. It was really satisfying seeing Liquid and Snake fight it out on the top of the submarine.

>>389599940
>except they did.

Why?

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We needed V for our pants

>>389600038
I'm 95% sure MGS4 was intentionally sabotaged by Kojima out of spite for being forced back into it.

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>>389600038
>MGS2 ended perfectly
see pic

>MGS2 is a meta commentary on sequels
it was a bad sequel.

> he created the abomination known as MGS4.
to fix the mistakes of MGS2

>>389600038
I never said I wanted it to have a sequel

those death threat guys who wanted concrete answers from a mindfuck game sure did though

contrarian Xbox kids are the only reason 4 has a shitty reputation now

prove me wrong

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>>389600173
>mgs4 fixes the mistakes of mgs2
>everything is just nanomachines
>or hooked boots

>>389598268
4 is by far the worst in the series. And that is saying a lot because after the tanker 2 turns into a literal joke that is 50% codec conversations, 25% cutscenes and 25% disappointing gameplay. 4 changed this to 40/40 split between codec and cutscenes then added 10% setpieces and gimmicky side quests leaving very little room for the admittedly good gameplay segments.

>>389598427
Nanomachines, the answer was nanomachines.

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>>389600540
wasn't worth it

>>389600456
nope sorry V was the worst
stick to ubisoft games bud

>>389599604
You like the worst parts of the game.

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>>389600173
>see pic
Not an argument.

>it was a bad sequel
No, gameplay-wise it was a natural evolution from the foundation MGS1 created. The story was good and got the intended message through to the audience.

>to fix the mistakes of MGS2
MGS2 wasn't meant to be taken literally. When your publisher puts a gun up to your head and tells you to make a sequel to a game that doesn't need one you start needlessly retconning the intended message of MGS2.

>>389600376
4 had a shitty reputation from the day it released because it is trash.

>>389600591
>muh kino

>>389600456
MGS4 is a misunderstood masterpiece.

>>389598126
Peace Walker was actually decent and it hinted at Big Boss becoming more and more the third world dictator that Metal Gear 1 & 2 made him look, but then V had to shit it all up for some nonsense meta story about the player.

>>389600173
>to fix the mistakes of MGS2
Anon, you don't fix something by making every single problem about it 50 times worse while.

idk if anyone else feels like this but I feel like one entry introduces a new gameplay style and then the next one refines it
like this
>MGS1 new style
>MGS2 refines it
>MGS3 new style
>MGS4 refines it
>PW new style
>V ref-
nevermind

>>389600376
Never owned an xbox in my life, and 4 was my least favorite from when I first played it to when V was out.

>>389600903
Out of curiosity what do you like about it?
Hard mode: no cutscenes, story, set pieces, or kino shit

>>389600903
I like it for how it is literally Kojima shitting on the idea of making an actual sequel the fans want.

>>389601032
>Hard mode: ignore parts of the game just because
For what purpose?

>>389601024
I don't really feel like 4 refined anything that 3 had. It definitely took a lot of the same principles, but didn't really make them better, just changed a few things, simplified the camo, and put it all in a different context. I've always enjoyed 3 more than 4.

>>389601142
It's a video game, not a Hollywood blockbuster or one of your Japanese animes. The point is to play it.

>>389601281
That's just like your opinion, different people enjoy different things. Besides, I thought the gameplay was excellent.

>>389601281
not that guy you're replying to but, the gameplay (What little there is) is spectacular and fun, especially for when it came out. Its a pretty fun quick game to blast through if you're skipping all of the story related content.

>>389601032
Acts 1 and 2 are GOAT and some of the best levels MGS has to offer, especially on repeat playthroughs when you have more gear to mess around with. Act 3 didn't turn out that great but at least it tried something different for the series. Act 4 is nostalgic and emotional as fuck but the actual level is fairly bland and straightforward. Act 5 is basically a straight shot to the end but not bad by any means.

How much of a mistake will the movie be?

>>389600378
better than 2's "I'm not explaining shit"

>>389601024
mgs1 is mg2 in 3d

>>389601695
I can't agree with that.

>>389600717
>MGS2 wasn't meant to be taken literally

and yet the MGS2 fanbase does.

Hell, they take the speech by the retarded AI at the end seriously.

>>389601608
>he thinks the movie is still happening
lmao

>>389601959
There's been plenty of buzzing lately, so it's certainly plausible.

>>389601608
Almost as big as V's existence

>>389598232
Yes

In my headcanon, MGS 2 and MGS 4 never happened and Snake got to live happily for the rest of his life with his waifu Meryl.

>>389602446
Considering that both are essentially overly meta filibuster about why you shouldn't make sequels, you really shouldn't take them into consideration regarding the series' canon.

>>389602774
except 2 wasn't meta.

Hell, it wasn't even good.

>>389602446
"U mad whiteboi?" - big dick akiba
stay butthurt and cucked

>>389602891
Good or bad, it literally was a meta commentary on sequels and the player's relationship with the games they play

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>>389602891
>except 2 wasn't meta

>>389603090
>literally was a meta commentary on sequels

except it wasn't. It was just a bad sequel, just like Chrono Cross

>>389603161
meta is not an indicator of quality. just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not what it literally is.

>>389598427
The "questions" in mgs2 were intentionally stuff that was left open ended because it frankly didn't matter, with the single exception of where the patriots came from (covered in MGS3) everything that needed to be explained in MGS2 was explained

>>389603261
>were intentionally stuff that was left open ended because it frankly didn't matter

except it did matter in the overall MGS universe.

>with the single exception of where the patriots came from (covered in MGS4)
fixed.

>It's a "the plot of MGS2 isn't extremely simple just because it has some themes and meta commentary" episode

>>389603419
Yet apparently the general audience still completely missed the point of the game.

>>389603393
>except it did matter in the overall MGS universe.
name one

> (covered in MGS4)
No, it's covered by MGS3. Ignoring the fact that zero making the phrase snake needs to met up with the spy being "WHO ARE THE PATRIOTS LA LE LU LE LO" is setup for zero being the one behind it because that could just be written off as a dumb meta gag like the raiden stuff, MGS3 literally explains the ending of MGS2 ("They all died over 100 years ago") by revealing that was talking about the wisemans committe, and the end timeline has the american branch of the philosophers renaming themselves as the patriots after obtaining most of the legacy.

All MGS4 did was spell out ZERO DID IT ALL ALONG in painful detail when that was already decently set up in MGS3 and more importantly literally doesn't matter at all to the plot of either MGS2 OR 3 (or 4, frankly)

>>389603678
Because it got a shaky translation and came out in 2002 before the internet was widespread among american normies. People love to go KOJIMA WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIME ABOUT FAKE NEWS AND THE INTERNET when large parts of that stuff was already a thing back then and kojima just built ontop of it, we just still lived in a world where real life and the internet were considered separate with TV being king

>>389603824
The point he is referring to is more of the post-modernist commentary on the medium and its audience

>>389603690
>name one

Who were the Patriots and how do we stop them?

> literally explains the ending of MGS2 ("They all died over 100 years ago")
that was fake news.

>>389602446
Otacon ending is best ending though. Bros before hoes.

>>389604043
first ending I got, so it's always been the one I think of

>>389603990
>Who were the Patriots
MGS2 says that they're some kind of vauge deep state AI that filters between real news and fake news (based on their opinions of it) in order to give the people the information/memes it believes are best suited for it. MGS3 says that the philosophers are basically the illuminati and the american branch ends up calling themselves the patriots after becoming more popular. Connecting one to the other is extremely simple

>that was fake news.
retcon bullshit on the same level as "big boss told me he was his dad in zanzibar"

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What we need is a MGR2 starring Jetstream Sam

>>389604234
Yeah, the whole Patriots thing is not unlike Kaz's whole story arc in Peace Walker and Phantom Pain where we didn't really need to see the moment he left (also the retarded reason they made), we could kind of assume Big Boss became too bad to handle.

>>389604234
>retcon bullshit
it was exposing the truth on the Patriots manipulating information/creating fake news.

MGS4 only explained things that low IQ faux intellectuals wanted explained. MGS4 should've been a game about the boss in WW2

>>389604930
>MGS4 only explained things that low IQ faux intellectuals wanted explained

they needed to explained.

Long neckbeardy read, but still worth it
http://www.metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_kojimaVSmgs4.html

>>389604930
idk I like 4 but the boss in ww2 sounds really really really fun

>According to the Handbook, Big Boss was a third generation Japanese-American who was born in Hawaii. The entire American side of his family had perished during the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor. While his Japanese relatives were locked up in internment camps, he joined the 442nd Infantry Regiment in his teens. Big Boss gained his first combat experience fighting in France, where his unit had contributed to freeing towns from Nazi control in 1944. After returning to America after the war, he lost patriotism for his country, due to prejudice towards his Japanese heritage.
Would you have liked 3 more if it was based on Big Boss's long since retconned bio?

>>389605016
Keep telling yourself that, cupcake
I, for one, think we need a sequel to the Italian Job. What was their plan their at the end? It NEEDS to be explained!

>>389598465
Mr bones, off me.

>>389605152
I have not seen that move so your shitty attempt at "logic" is lost to me

>>389605274
Not the only thing lost on you, evidently.

>>389605319
I don't give a shit about shitposting

>>389605362
Are we just posting non sequiturs now?

>>389605128
Why do the Japanese have to find a way to force themselves into everything they make?

How many times do I have to say this again?

Big Boss's height being 6'3 is literally Patriot propaganda meant to glorify him. PW was more or less an entirely true story, since part of this game shows him slowly descending to evil while taking a heavy position on opposing Cipher. Something that the Patriots would never show to popularize his image.

Hence, BB is really 6'.
>>389599368

>>389600903
never was, never will.

at least MGSV lets you play.

>>389605658
What kind of meds are you on to say something like that, kiddo

>>389605726
4 does let you play, and when it does it's actually worthwhile

>ELDER GOD TIER
1
3
>FANTASTIC TIER
2
>PRETTY DAMN GOOD TIER
4
MGR
>UNNECESSARY TIER
Everything else

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>>389606105
I'll accept that.
V is only good for memes

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No

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>>389606629
>tfw Ocelot should have had Quiet's role in PP

>>389598465
WORDS THAT KILL

twin snakes switch edition when

>>389606105
>no metal gear 2 or ghost babel but 4 is necessary

>>389608283
>implying 95% of modern metal gear fans have played msx era games

>>389598126
B-BUT HOW WERE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT BIG BOSS WOULD GO ROGUE!???

I-I mean, he refused to shake hands with the President and left him hanging, he abandoned his teammates and bailed from what was likely a party held in his honor in order to go mourn in the Boss' tomb instead... b-but, how could WE know that he would dessert from the US!??

HOOOOWWW????

>>389602963
Akiba is white though...

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>>389600105
phantom pants

>>389609315
yeah I realized that as I posted it
I shoulda wrote cloneboi
you get the point though
snake got cucked

>>389609215
Well it was a bit of a mystery how Big Boss was both head of Foxhound and how he managed to form and lead Outer Heaven at the same time, but its not like Portable Ops, Peace Walker, or Phantom answered this.

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>>389609471
Snake got cucked by le epic poopy gag character.

It's hard to believe it after writing it down.

>>389605128
>sneaking around French towns and Nazi camps
Sounds fun desu

the cobras used parasites
skullface did snake eater

>>389610194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-gD9PYqSps

I unironically love MGSV's gameplay for being fun, and I also love its flaws because of all the butthurt it caused to all those dimwits out there.

It's the perfect ending to a horrible mini-game based anime-tier 'game' series.

cheers to kojima, bloody genius.

>>389610679
I'm an MGS fan and V is the most fun to play :)

4/5 not even mad.

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>>389610679
Ever since he was pressured to make MGS2 he's been trying to sabotage the series, with Snake Eater being the sole exception.
I guess he finally succeeded.

WORTHWHILE TIER:
MGS1
MGS2
Rising
MGSV

DISCARD:
The rest

I'm serious too, mainly for gameplay reasons. 3 and 4 are horribly slow and clunky, quite unlike 1 and 2 which are nice arcadey and swift, and V which gives you a million movement options.

>>389610974
I know dude, V had SO many awesome options and the gameplay was just so deep and interesting, with such detailed, well designed memorable environments and boss fights to back it up
not to mention the hundreds of fresh and unique mission

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>>389611204
what a game

>>389598583
If that happened and the series stopped at 3, I bet the prevailing theory would be that the Patriots were either a cover used by the Philosophers or the MGS3 radio team and Ocelot. We'd loop right back to where we are now, except without the godawful prequels and in exchange Kojima would probably make ZoE3 and a Snatcher remake

>>389599940
>post proof
It's well known Kojima intended to end the series at multiple points by pressure from Konami and fans pulled him back in.
MG2 was made only because the NES version was getting a sequel and Kojima thought it was shit.
MGS3 only happened thanks to some of the negative reception from MGS2 and Kojima probably didn't want the series to end on a low note like that.
MGS4 happened because they were making a new engine and more pressure to answer the questions left by MGS2

>>389611956
>MGS3 only happened thanks to some of the negative reception from MGS2 and Kojima probably didn't want the series to end on a low note like that.
>MGS4 happened because they were making a new engine and more pressure to answer the questions left by MGS2

so the games were made because MGS2 was a mess, got it

>>389602446
I don't get why people would want Snake to be with Meryl, let alone fuck a woman.
Seriously, I a mystified by the people who hate the fact that Meryl married Johnny rather than Snake, he doesn't need a wife. He has Otacon and Sunny by the end of MGS4 and had a deadly virus inside him, why the fuck would he want any of that shit.

>>389605934
> t. Zero

>>389612563
MGS4 shouldn't even exist is more what he's saying. Using arguments from said game is more than a fool's errand at this point.

>>389612487
>so the games were made because MGS2 was a mess
I wouldn't say that. MGS2 was insane, sure, but everything in it was intended. The reason why it wasn't liked was because Kojima made the expected sequel with the Tanker mission, and then killed Snake so his twink main character could have his mind destroyed. I recently replayed MGS2 and I found I enjoyed it more than basically any other MGS in the story department just for how strange it gets while taking itself seriously. It also offers some interesting questions that should've remained unanswered now that I think about it.
The reason why people didn't like it back then was because the main character wasn't Snake and there was too many codec calls.

>>389613202
Even without MGS4 or even MGS2, I just don't like the idea of Snake having sexual relations with a woman. I feel like it'd detract from him if he did have a constant lover of some sort.

>>389613259
>but everything in it was intended

even the shitty ambiguous ending?

>>389613368
I agree, it's more befitting of his character.
He could have easily been made a James Bond type who has a different love interest for every adventure, with no real holdover that wouldn't end in some tragedy.

>>389613546
What part of everything don't you get?

>>389613259
>The reason why people didn't like it back then was because the main character wasn't Snake

Raiden sucked, even if he didn't replace Snake.

>>389613751
He was supposed to.
He represented the socially inept obsessive player who wanted more of the same to the point that he literally wants to be Solid Snake.
Whether or not that lends itself well to the protagonist of a video game is up for debate.

>>389613546
>even the shitty ambiguous ending
Yes. The ending tells you to not obsess over words so much and find the meaning behind them. It tells you most of what you think is reality is actually fiction.
The ambiguous parts of the story were intentionally ambiguous so the player could decide what to believe was right. It's why the VR theory was popular and still is to this day despite MGS4 retconning that understanding of the story.

>>389613671
>What part of everything don't you get?

Everything related to the sudden & random, reveal of the AI and it going full retard.

Felt like lame ass cop out to go "AN AI WAS MANIPULATING THE ENTIRE EVENT"

>>389613883
>He represented the socially inept obsessive player
this shit again?

>Whether or not that lends itself well to the protagonist of a video game is up for debate.
it wasn't good for MGS2 due t Raiden being shit.

>>389613975
>It's why the VR theory was popular and still is to this day despite MGS4 retconning that understanding of the story.
there was fuck all grounds for that theory to even exist in the first place.

>>389614363
>people are still butthurt over not getting to play as their beloved snake 15+ years later

>>389614363
>this shit again
it's the case whether or not you want to accept it.

>>389614497
Is it bad that seeing this makes me a little nostalgic?

>>389614497
Only because the replacement for Snake was bad and the game was taunting us with Snake.

>>389614512
any proof from Konami or Hideo that Raiden represents the player?

>>389614363
>there was fuck all grounds for that theory to even exist in the first place.
Really? Did you skip the entire end bit after Raiden is captured and the virus is uploaded? The Colonel breaks down and starts telling Raiden to turn the game off, lines of code are floating in the air, Snake shows up out of nowhere with infinite ammo, when Raiden climbs the ladder he enters an area from VR Missions in a black void that isn't seen on top of Arsenal, Olga jumps out of nowhere to save Raiden, the scripted nature of the events in the game, no one in New York reacting to Arsenal Gear crashing into Federal Hall (and the people just show up), Snake showing up in the city perfectly fine despite chasing after Ocelot earlier, and there are smaller things, like how if you don't play the Tanker Mission, Raiden never makes certain comments regarding it

>>389614813
>Really? Did you skip the entire end bit after Raiden is captured and the virus is uploaded?

I did but none of that screamed "SUDDENLY VR SIMULATION"

>>389614780
How have you not figured out yourself that Raiden represents the player?
Do you know how to read symbolism? Because it doesn't get much more blunt than this.

>>389615001
>I did but none of that screamed "SUDDENLY VR SIMULATION"
Saying you did implies you did skip it dumbass.
There are many factors that point to MGS2 possibly being a VR Simulation, and Raiden even comments on how his entire reality could've been constructed. There's also everything I listed that you just so conveniently missed

>>389615173
>How have you not figured out yourself that Raiden represents the player?

because I am not a child solider.

>>389615183
>Saying you did implies you did skip it dumbass.
I only skipped the big speech at the end by the AI because it was the fake Roy talking and dismissed it as "more of that I NEED SCISSORS" bullshit

>>389615321
You can't be this fucking stupid.
Am I being had right now?

>>389615321
>I only skipped the big speech at the end
The thing that explains why Raiden was there and what the S3 was really for.
Also, keep skipping over all the points I made. Really makes you look intelligent when you ignore the actual evidence and go for offhand comments

>>389615479
>The thing that explains why Raiden was there and what the S3 was really for.

but that would require believing the words of an AI that is built upon lying and manipulating information.

What if that entire speech at the end was just more lies?

>Also, keep skipping over all the points I made.
none of those other points are proof that MGS2 was VR.

>>389598232
both 2 and 3 were better games in every way.

>>389615894
Specific examples?

>>389598126
Considering that only nostalgia fags think the first 3 are good games with good stories (hints: none of the stories are well written or acted and only 3 has gameplay worth a shit), I'd say yes.

>>389616013
gameplay kept getting refined, stories made more sense (relatively), writing and acting got better, graphics got better, pacing got better, literally everything was better, though i will say the first game's setting and characters are obviously the most iconic. 1 is bad by any means, it's just that 2 and 3 are better packages on a whole.

>>389616260
>1 is bad by any means
1 ISN'T bad*

>>389615893
>but that would require believing the words of an AI that is built upon lying and manipulating information.
At that point, the AI no longer needs to lie as Raiden still has a reason to continue his mission, that being he has to survivor or else Olga's child will die, and Solidus has to die for the mission to be completed.
>What if the entire speech at the end was just more lies?
MGS2 let you believe that if you felt like it.
>none of those other points are proof that MGS2 was VR
Yes they did. Let me list them again, the points being in greentext, explanations being below them.
>The Colonel breaks down and starts telling Raiden to turn the game off
Raiden has been through over 300 VR simulations for his training, what is stopping his current mission from being VR when it has stuff like vampires and a woman who has her heart on the right side of her chest (left if facing towards her)
>lines of code are floating in the air
This happens only when Raiden enters Arsenal and the virus has been uploaded.
>Snake shows up out of nowhere
Raiden looks behind, we got a shot down the hallway from his POV, and then we cut to Snake leaning against a wall in the direction he was facing. Where did he come from?
>with infinite ammo
Self explanatory
>when Raiden climbs the ladder he enters an area from VR Missions in a black void that isn't seen on top of Arsenal
Self explanatory
>Olga jumps out of nowhere to save Raiden
There is no vantage point to jump from and she no longer has her ninja suit.
>the scripted nature of the events in the game
See Ocelot's explanation of the S3 plan.
>no one in New York reacting to Arsenal Gear crashing into Federal Hall
Self explanatory
> Snake showing up in the city perfectly fine despite chasing after Ocelot earlier
Self explanatory

>>389616487
>At that point, the AI no longer needs to lie as Raiden
but what if that was a lie?

>and a woman who has her heart on the right side of her chest (left if facing towards her)
Dextrocardia is a real thing

not even going to counter the rest of your bullshit because you would defend it with more bullshit

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>>389598126
MGS consistently offered interesting commentary on each stage of the cold war, assuming it never ended (and it hasn't.)

>>389598126
The world is better for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xeGE_5kSI0
But 4 is trash

>>389616668
>but what if that was a lie
That actually makes no sense.
>not even going to counter the rest of your bullshit
Because you can't. You have no points outside of the Dextrocardia thing. You can't explain them away and are trying to play it off when in reality you've exhausted all your points and have nothing meaningful left to say.
You may as well off yourself and let the world be.

>>389616668
Why respond at all, then?

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>>389598126
IV had some dumb shit in it but it wrapped up the story decently and gave us the Ocelot duel we deserved. Peace Walker and Sons of Liberty, while both great games, were the unnecessary ones before the ending, and then V was an after credits scene that was worse than the credits.

>>389616863
>That actually makes no sense.

It's hard to suddenly trust someone after they have been lying to you for the game. Especially if they are an AI BUILT AROUND LYING.

>>389616927
because some of his points are so stupid they need to be called out on. Like the whole "heart on the wrong side" thing. His post implies it's not a real thing except it is a real medical condition.

>>389617074
>It's hard to suddenly trust someone after they have been lying to you for the game
Everybody on your codec in MGS1 was lying to you as well. Also, the AI going out of its way to explain the S3 plan and their goal, and the fact that it fits nicely with Solidus' reasons for want to stop the Patriots and liberate America, show that they were most likely telling the truth.
>Especially if they are an AI BUILT AROUND LYING.
The Patriot AI wasn't built around lying. It was created to 'create context' by selecting what information should be passed on and what should be filtered.
Also, keep ignoring every other point. I'll list them all again, sans the heart thing as I forgot that was an actual medical condition.
>The Colonel breaks down and starts telling Raiden to turn the game off
Raiden has been through over 300 VR simulations for his training, what is stopping his current mission from being VR when it has stuff like immortal vampires
>lines of code are floating in the air
This happens only when Raiden enters Arsenal and the virus has been uploaded.
>Snake shows up out of nowhere
Raiden looks behind, we got a shot down the hallway from his POV, and then we cut to Snake leaning against a wall in the direction he was facing. Where did he come from?
>with infinite ammo
Self explanatory
>when Raiden climbs the ladder he enters an area from VR Missions in a black void that isn't seen on top of Arsenal
Self explanatory
>Olga jumps out of nowhere to save Raiden
There is no vantage point to jump from and she no longer has her ninja suit.
>the scripted nature of the events in the game
See Ocelot's explanation of the S3 plan.
>no one in New York reacting to Arsenal Gear crashing into Federal Hall
Self explanatory
> Snake showing up in the city perfectly fine despite chasing after Ocelot earlier
Self explanatory

>>389617074
>>389617593
And there's no answer
...Fine, I guess it's okay. You don't hafta force yourself to make a choice.
A futureless future... I think it's fine it that exists too