Why are other FPS "games" so devoid of skill?

How do I get the "free" version of this?

People don't play games for skill, but for fun

Losing makes people feel bad. When people feel bad they don't buy the sequel. Adding luck elements makes people sometimes do better by random chance. This makes them feel good.

>>389597535
QC is probably the most casual arena FPS.
>30 second mega/red
>low max armour
>extremely low ttk
>extremely overpowered abilities
also it's flat out fucking broken right now.

>>389597535
>that shit netcode
>that fucking annoying ass burial ground map
>those hitboxes
>fucking retarded OP as shit hero anarkin is still in the game
it's gonna flop.

>>389597661
Quake is really fun though.

>>389598331
It is but it's very easy to get annoyed in QC after 2 matches because of all the network and gameplay problems.

>>389597967
QC is the most casual Quake but still less casual than any arena shooter that isn't a straight Quake clone like Reflex.

>>389598449
It's not even that's casual, it's just a shit game. The duel ruleset is fucking garbage.

>>389597607
wait for it to come out

>>389598617
QC duel is better than QL duel honestly. 90% of Quake Live duels are decided by the first frag.

>>389598709
>90% of Quake Live duels are decided by the first frag.
This just isn't true and it's embarrassing you even posted this.

>>389599081
It's doubly embarrassing when you consider how QC's 3 frag limit means the first frag actually does decide duels.

I stopped playing until they fix it.

Remove Anarki, Sorlag, and the LG. I don't even care if it was in the other games.

>>389599151
they need to remove the knockback from the lightning gun
it's annoying as fuck

>>389599603
>>389599151
Spoiler: LG does zero damage past a certain range.
It already has a lower range than all previous games.

>>389599151
>>389599603
>whining about LG
spotted the overwatch players

quake is alright, but its no rollerdisco dodgeball

>>389600190
There's literally no reason to use anything else. All you need is the Rocket and LG.

Does it rework the item pickups? If not, it's not worth playing over Q3A.

>>389600076
I know that. It's already the best mid range weapon, no need for the knockback. It's really fucking annoying for the player receiving it and only pushes people outside of its effective range for the guy shooting.

>>389600387
just like in quakeworld, except you forgot railgun, so it's actually just like every other quake

>>389600782
lg has always had knockback, qc has less knockback than it did in other games, git gud

>>389597607
If you have or had a beta key you can download it from Bethesda launcher
I'm still playing it for free

>>389600782
>t's really fucking annoying for the player receiving it
Well it's used for pinning and stopping people pushing into you.
>it and only pushes people outside of its effective range for the guy shooting.
Yeah, it makes it easy to get out of range..

>>389600902
>it's always been like this!
is this your only defense for shit design?
what exactly does the knockback accomplish?

>>389600076
Wow you sure told them how LG isn't fucking unbalanced or anti-fun

>>389600968
allows me to pin bad players like you

>>389601039
If you're taking duels against someone with LG in the open you deserve to lose.

>>389600902
LG has always been a shit concept shitting on an otherwise good game
>It's always been like this
Your dad surely fucked you all the time till you liked it but it's still retard abuse

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>>389600968
here we go

>>389601226
is he the best champ?

>>389601114
>no argument

>>389601349
Best lore
Most tactical
Best plays
Shit stats
Shit performance
Pick Anarki and Nyx to win

>>389601479
>Pick Anarki and Nyx to win
i'm not a faggot, so no thanks.

This game has the most boring duel mode I've ever seen. The shitty format, the lack of items, the timings, the cheese ults, having CPM characters alongside VQ3 ones, top jej.

how do you take corners while strafe jumping?

>>389602038
you can turn a little bit when your touching the ground, if it's a tight corner just do another circle jump

>>389602038
You pick Nyx and Sorlag
Anarki and Slash also work
Don't pick anyone else what are you stupid you're gonna get shot easily

>>389602038
Play Slash or Anarki/Sorlag instead.

>>389602198
>>389602170
>have to play specific characters to even have basic quake movement
dropped.

>>389602305
literally all the heroes have basic quake 3 movement though

>>389602362
that's not what the 2 previous posters told me

>Three characters are impossible to hit
>All those three also have crutch abilities to get out of jail
>The other one is just overpowered in tankiness and speed, with a 60dmg AoE ability on low CD that also lingers for DoT
>Rockets and proyectiles still don't do damage half the time
>Rubberbanding out of the ass

Even if the game is fun I can't stand playing it right now. It's so infuriating.

>>389602498
its neutered quake movement
in quake 3 you can't take corners like you could in quakeworld/quake 2 and have to circle jump when you want to turn

Super Shotgun is inconsistent as fuck. Sometimes it'll just body shot for 30 damage. Nail Gun is just a whole different kind of shit. Half the time it feels like I'm not even shooting anything.

>>389602498
All move like Q3, BUT
>Anarki has air control, small as fuck hitbox and can heal imself with a speed boost
>Sorlag has bunnyhop speed accel in a straight line, also an OP ability, also 150hp and 50ar from spawn to make up for the "big hitbox"... that other big hitbox chars do not get
>Nyx is small and can bounce off walls and crutch blowtrades with a phase shift so she can aim and telefrag you or pointblank you
>Slash has small hitbox and good maneuverability, but if pursued can blaze a plasma trail from her perfect little ass that DoT and explodes in AoE a tight room

But all and all what makes them OP is that
>Rockets do not work properly half the time
>Hitting them is almost impossible anyways
>LG therefore is OP without counters
>Sorlag is plain OP

>>389602720
>quake 2
Quake 2 didn't have air control.

>>389603051

>>188611893
>>188608823

>>389597535
>Skillposting
Quake has always been for casuals anon.

>>389603156
???

>>389603305

>>>/vg/188611893
>>>/vg/188608823

thought they where on /v/

I literally can't play overwatch anymore, it's just two slow.

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Haven't payed a cent for it and I'm having fun just logging on and playing 2-3 matches of DM. A lot of the complaints being brought up regarding hit detection and some characters feeling a little unfair are valid, imo but I don't play for a long enough period for it to really frustrate me.

I hope they work out these issues since I like the game.

>>389603446
Overwatch is far too shallow to be fun. There's nothing to practise or learn. Every aspect of the game can be mastered within 5 minutes. The only think you can improve is your aim, but that applies to any FPS ever.

>>389597535
Because they just leave it to chance for the most part
QC is still the worst quake game though, I don't understand why they are putting it out there with so many issues still present in it
some design decisions are just plain retarded too

>>389603579
Having different movement speeds, hitboxes, health and armour and abilities is just really fucking shit.
Give everyone the same hit box, let people choose their movement physics, and give everyone the same health and armour.
I don't even mind the new timings.

>>389603574
for casual DM or whatever the changes dont really matter the game should be rock solid and consistent though and you should never feel like you got cheated out of a frag because of dodgy hitboxes or netcode

Quakefags claim LG is unbalanced while RL is totally ok.
One gun relies on aim and perfect tracking other one can just be spammed into peoples feet or get a lucky oneshot.

That's how you know Quake fags are the actual casuals just larping it takes skill.

>>389603867
>Quakefags claim LG is unbalanced
No quake player thinks LG is imbalanced. neoquake shitters do.

>>389597535
because companies want to sell shit to casuals and go out of their way to design shit that casuals can win and defeat skilled people at, they make the game purposefully slow and cap the limit of what you can actually achieve essentially rock paper scissors simulators and random behind you peekaboo spawns, they carefully try to tune the game to be just fun enough for an actual skilled person to be tricked into wasting their time on it but never try to balance in favor of competition and skill, this has been the case for years now and yes companies spend tons of time and money on this useless self defeating anti-competitive game design

>>389603867
nah only shitters think LG is unbalanced because they don't understand how the weapons a balanced in tiers and their positioning is shit
RL is fine, if you're dumb enough to take a rocket to the face you should be killed

>>389600387
The rocket, lg and rail are intentionally made to be the best weapons.
Rail for long range. Lg for medium range. And rocket for close range. Rocket and lg can easily be used at medium to long range depending on the situation.
Shotgun and Machine gun are for if your enemy is weak and running, or you have no other weapon. Nailgun is meant for spamming corridors, but with the netcode it's pretty tricky to use it as an actual combat weapon. Tribolt is pretty garbage right now, so it's the only useless weapon.
Not every weapon has to be meta ready, but they should all serve a purpose, which most of them accomplish. So if you're one of those doom faggots who run around with the shotgun only expecting to get kills, I'm sorry, but this isn't D44M multiplayer.

>>389604232
>medium to long range
meant medium to close range

>>389602498
they don't play Quake then

I want to like quake champions, but it just needs too much work. Frankly, the entire champions system is a strange choice to me, and I'm not convinced they've done well balancing it.

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used to play overwatch at top ((competitive)) level. Now looking for a new game to sweat in. Should i pick up QC?

>>389604608
Why not? You might have fun

>>389604608
you should probably wait if you're interested, right now, the netcode is all over the place, and the only way to play is by paying 30$ on steam (which includes current and future champs), or to play it on bethesda net's shit launcher.
I'd wait until the netcode is ironed out and the game is F2P on steam once it leaves Early Access

>>389603209
t. mercy main in overwatch

>Read/hear the opinions of old quake players
>It's largely positive
>Same with most online communities
>/v/ hates it though
Every time. You guys are my favorite hipsters

>>389604608
where you a dps main in ow? if not you're probably too shit for this game

>>389605130
>old quake players
old quake player != good quake player
shitter detected

>>389605130
that's because /v/ is casual as fuck and nobody here plays quake

>>389605238
But the easiest to find opinions are from players who were good enough to make money playing.

>>389605217
funny thing i used to rape top quake players like cypher and cooller in soloq

>>389605130
QC is objectively bad, the only reason people are even playing it is for "muh esports" and the fact its the only arena fps that isn't completely dead.

>>389605346
now do it in a game that isn't skill capped ;)

>>389605238
desu if you're not an actual pro (as in someone who used to compete in CPL, which is the top 0.01% of players) your opinion on "competitive" Quake doesn't mean shit.

>>389605351

So if QL is so good, why aren't you keeping it alive?

>>389605507
QL is the second least dead arena shooter after QC though, it even has more players than lawbreakers CLIFFY LUL

>>389605351
Funnily enough, I remember people being LIVID that Q3A didn't have a grappling hook, claiming they'd never ever play it and that it would be the death of quake. QC will be fine

>>389604608
I hated overwatch for the maps and the moba team special ability timing gameplay
QC's maps aren't the best, but the basic gameplay is more solid.
Don't expect too much thought from the different characters. They're a bad addition I feel.
Definitely don't play $30 for it is the main point.

>>389604517
The stack size, hitbox difference of the characters doesn't work well with the lightning gun.
There are two kinds of players in Quake, people who can hit with the lightning gun, and people who can't.
Small hitboxes penalize shitter players, whereas they are mostly meaningless for experienced players, and the lower stack size means the LG cleans up that much quicker.
I'm deeply out of practice and end up being eternally #2 in DM, where I end up with the same or fewer deaths than the top player, but usually a third less frags. I'm good with item control but I'm worse at collecting frag tax from the shitters in a game, which is what you need to win DM.
I'm enjoying TDM more, and even the sacrifice thing is decent.
I had a 3v3 sacrifice game last weekend where the teams were actually equal. Fair fucking teams in an FPS. The game ran out nearly its entire length. I couldn't remember having that kind of fun in an fps. Not in the last five years at least.
I'd duel but that's where the out of practice thing comes in. I get dumpstered a little too hard.

>>389605351
I'd back this basic sentiment at this point in time, though my opinion isn't as extreme. I'm still having fun with QC for now.
It is worse than the classic options, and the only reason I'm playing it is because it isn't completely dead(sans reflexboys who I can't match, and I don't think I have the time to practice to that level again)

>>389605507
I don't play reflex because reflex is dead. Sitting in a queue for 30 minutes until 1 other person adds up is a total waste of time.
I can't wait for 1.2 so I can get a few more games.

>>389605709
>reflex is dead

Exactly. Reflex is almost literally a straight port of Q3A, right down to the physics.It's dead because people - even the "hardcore" arena fans - just don't want that kind of game anymore (for reasons like >>389605680 mentioned)


If the demand for a proper Quakelike was there, there'd be one. Your genre is dead and you killed it.

>>389605709
RIP reflex
that game was way better than I expected it to be basically a perfect modern quak but they can't compete with MUH AAA and multi million dollar marketing campaigns

>>389605680
wut? lg is the best weapon in qc because of the shit hitboxes. rail and rl consistently miss because of hitboxes and server lag compensation or w/e

>>389605130
The #1 Quake community site (ESR) is in at least a 50/50 split over the game. Why are you lying dipshit?

>>389606008
QC is better than Reflex except for netcode and optimisation etc

I wish id would have collaborated with the Reflex devs instead of these useless slavs

>>389605998
>Reflex is almost literally a straight port of Q3A, right down to the physics.
You haven't played reflex.. have you..

>>389605998
>Reflex is almost literally a straight port of Q3A
???????????????????????
Is this some next level of retard posting?

>>389606163
>QC is better than Reflex except for netcode and optimisation etc
Reflex gameplay makes much more sense, is far more balanced, as well as mechanically superior.

Outside of money and brand name, QC has nothing on reflex.

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What's the game's internal thicc rate?

>>389606332
Reflex is just Anarki without a speed cap

>>389606068
RG has something iffy with it for sure. But I'm still bodyshotting people with the RL at about the right rate and have no complaints there.

The LG is really good, yeah. I'm just saying that all the frustration behind the nerf-LG sentiment I've seen is the small hitbox characters sweeping DM games because a lot of people aren't very good, they use the LG in retaliation after they die ten times to it, and the small hitbox makes it feel like even less of a fair playing field.
Which it isn't. That's the point of any MP game. But in a system when you are certain that everything is the same for everyone, you kinda more comfortably nestle down in the fact that you're just worse at the game than others.

>>389606428
Even this post is retarded. If you haven't played the game don't comment on it.

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>outsourcing legendary FPS series to cheeki breekis with a mean kusoge streak

Does nu-id know no shame?

>>389606428
and more stack to be had

>>389606428
There's more to a game than character movement. Reflex has better maps, better armor system, better guns, better stacks, better meta, better format, better netcode, better performance, better input, and on and on.

>>389606163
>QC is better than Reflex except for netcode and optimisation etc

Understatement of the millenium. Reflex netcode is the best in any arena shooter, QC's is the worst

Is Quake Champions using the same engine as Halo Online?

Every time quake champions is brought up a pile of anons come here to tell us about how good Reflex is, why aren't you just playing it and leaving the rest of us to our inferior game?

I don't give a shit if you'd rather play reflex over quake, go do it rather then sit here and complain that the rest of us aren't doing the same

>>389606163
>slavs
?

>>389606489
lg would be fine if they fix rl and rg. what they need to fix is hitboxes like anarki having no leg hitboxes, direct rockets doing no damage, and rails going through people.

>>389597967
>low ttk
>casual
nice meme

>>389606909
>i have awful aim and can't hold it on a target

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>>389606008
>>389606332
>>389606516
>>389606608
>>389606718
>>389606826

Doesn't matter what people say, QC is the best that could have happened to arena shooters once it's fixed. Quakefags that think the LG is ok right now are delusional, and newfags that think it's too hard are shitters too.

QC isn't in the best state, but it's the best thing since Q3. When Sorlag gets nerfed and the hitboxes fixed it will rise to the top easily.

>>389606826
It's just people calling a piece of shit what it really is, a piece of shit. Whether you/I/anyone plays it or not is irrelevant, the world doesn't revolve around you.

>>389606909
>high ttk
tracking, attrition, weapon types, map control
>low ttk
dude flick lmao

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>>389607073

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>>389597535
The thing is, ALL FPS shooters are just point and click games.
Of course, those who play says it is skill based, but c'mon now.

>>389607250
>ALL FPS shooters
>all first person shooters shooters

>>389607073
Not sure what your point is. Reflex is objectively a better game than Quake made by an extremely small team.
Quake Champions has id and bethesda behind it and its still barely alive..

>>389607073
>Checking it right now
Looks pretty cool, but has no personality
>Ingame map editor

Now THATS something really cool but
>Costs money
Hehehe, not again Abraham

>>389607127
what's the point of doing so if you don't care then, what is this accomplishing for you?

>>389597967
No, that would still be Halo. The abilities are nothing compared to cheap garbage you might find in overwatch or even other games like Titanfall 2. If you die from Scalebearer rushing down the hall, you could've easily have died to Nyx or Anarki strafejumping down the hall and hitting you with the gauntlet.

>>389607238
>Larger by a multitude of 57

>>389607359
It's a videogame board for videogame discussions. I know such a hard concept to grasp for a little sweetie like yourself.

>>389607238
>>389607436
plus 500 more using the bethesda launcher

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>>389607413
>halo
>overwatch
>titanfall 2
>listed in an arena fps thread

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>mfw Quack Champaignes is actually really really good anyways

>>389607551
But Halo IS an arena shooter
And TiFa2 is awesome

>>389607436
Yes, now compare it to how much marketing $$$ has been put into both games and you'll see that Reflex has a far better ratio.

>>389607536
A whopping 500, wow!

Nothing more hilarious than you newfaggots worshipping a dead game despite the huge investment.

>>389607645
>Quake Champions
>Marketing
???

>>389607449
you just said it yourself though, this isn't a discussion, this is just shit flinging.

>>389607691
There was something called "Quakecon" which was designed to showcase their new game, and give people more incentive to watch/play with $1,000,000 on the line. Should have spent it on development lel.

>>389607797
But quakecon has existed far longer than Quake Champions, and has been used for things that are not quake related.

I lost my Quake meme folder. Someone post some, and some new ones from Champions

>>389607551
>hurdur I cant read
Halo is an arena shooter. No amount of clogging your eyes or calling it shit will change that, in fact Halo 5 is the purist and most popular arena shooter right now because theres no meme abilites for each unique character. It's all even starts. But who seriously plays arena shooters without a mouse and keyboard.

Overwatch and Titanfall 2 were brought up because of the abilities found in those games becoming "I win" buttons, as well as many other games who opt for the hero shooter trend. QC abilities are nothing close to those.

>>389607850
This particular instance of Quakecon has been designed to shill QC (naturally). Damn nigga u thick. Seriously imagine if Reflex had just 25% of that prize pool, they would have had way more players/better game by now.

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>>389607854

>>389607921
>If X had Y, then X would be way better than X
wew lad

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>>389607882
>Halo is an arena shooter.

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>>389607797
>these are kinds of people who constantly namedrop Quake to sound hardcore and skilled

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>>389607854
>Not playing QC right now

>>389607882
I wouldn't call Halo a pure arena shooter. The vehicles and large maps go against it. It has elements of it (Power weapon spawns being the biggest example), but I still wouldn't call it one.

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>>389597535
BADASS

>2000 players

>>389607995
I am playing Champions, don't have any memes though.

>>389608005
>I wouldn't call Halo a pure arena shooter. The vehicles and large maps go against it. It has elements of it (Power weapon spawns being the biggest example), but I still wouldn't call it one.
Halo is an arena shooter and all the sandy vaginas in your vagina can't change that
It just has different set of rules, that's why it was so fun

>>389607987
Post your QLStats page if you're so amazing.
>>389607971
It's true though.

>>389608005
The competitive games are never played on vehicle maps, it's main competitive mode was 2v2 for the longest time but 343 studios pushed for 4v4 hard.

it lacks high skill movement mechanics, but at its core the game is about weapons, map controls, and even starts.

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>>389607854

>>389608157
That's not how it works in the real world. Throwing money at someone doesn't make them more talented

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>>389608084
2000 players and the game isn't even out yet

>>389608232
Throwing money at marketing usually gives more exposure. So yes, its how it works in the real world.

>>389603058
it has less friction so you turn on the ground instead of air

>>389608306
Right, all that marketing really worked out for ME:A, right? That game sold gangbusters despite not being good, right?

>>389608119
I like Halo. The combined arms combat is something I enjoy, but unless if you are playing on the maps with NO vehicles and are small enough to be what you call an arena, it really isn't an arena shooter. Although, my favourite maps are the ones with Scorpions, Warthogs and ghosts on them, so I may be biased.

>>389608368
got a video example?

>>389608429
There were no competitive maps with vehicles in tournaments
And even if they were they would spawn mirrored

>>389608514
Ok, I can see where you are coming from now. Sorry. I was just going off general experience.

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>>389607854

>>389608394
i think from memory ME:A actually did sell ok on release, then tanked hard once everyone realised just what it was that they had picked up

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>>389607854
>Not enough Nyx porn

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>>389608634
I fucking bought it ironically expecting a ME3 level experience of overall disappointing and some memes to share with the lads.

We need communism so that people like me starve alongside the poor

>>389608491
not on hand
daikatana is quake 2 physics + air control though

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>mfw /v/ will just accept a casualized FPS and make shitty excuses for it because Arena FPSes are rare nowadays
>mfw /v/ won't go near the shooter that actually stays true to the genre

Pathetic

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>>389607854

>>389608693
>based off motoko
>is ugly as sin
Western "character artists" not even ONCE. At least Slash is kind of cute I guess.

Lightning gun needs less favorable spawn placings, most maps put it in a hallway that connects to either mega health, super armor, or both. The amount of times I have seen players camp around the lightning spawn without any need to leave is annoying as fuck.

If you are playing regular deathmatch it's hard to deal with because too many faggots go straight for the rocket launcher and stay in that area while the LG person just cleans house elsewhere.

>>389608693
sauce?

>>389608794
As soon as its out of early apha...how many mores years you think its gonna be? 3?

>>389608746
was daikatana mp a thing?

>>389608794
As much as I adore the guns so very, very much; going back to say 2004, UT just feels too slow.
Also expect a reason to play UT4 in 2027 when it leaves alpha.

>>389608871
>>>/i/515109

>>389608909
there's still servers up
netcode isn't as good as q2 though there's some weird hitches when strafe jumping at high speeds

>>389608794
>Caring enough about videogames to give a damn about any of this
>Caring enough to make a post about it knowing it's not going to change anything
>Thinking an influx to good arena fps is ever going to be a thing and that they just won't get butt devastated by anyone that has any history in the genre

Why do you think live got casualized into trash

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>>389608959
Thanks

>>389608119
Holy fuck dude get over yourself
>no power ups
>no pickups
>giant fucking maps with no mobility options

Even when you remove vehicles from the equation it's not a fucking arena shooter. I know you want to join the big kids club but halo won't get you there. Conplaining about 'sandy vaginas' like an 8 year old won't do it either

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>>389609102
>Sandy vaginalization

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>>389609102
>no power ups
wrong
>no pick ups
also wrong

>>389600190

Beat me too it. Reckon he probably dropped overwatch after 4 months of posting roadhog nerf threads here wveryday

>>389609102
About the pickups, what do you call the power weapons that spawn? What do you call the weapons laying around?

>>389608875
>>389608939
UT4 is very playable now. You don't need to wait for a beta release - And it's free.

I'm just saying this because UT4 is the reason why I'm not going to worry too much about a casual Quake.

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>>389609102
>This anally murdered about the truth

>>389609302
inb4 t-those don't count

Also active camo and overshield powerups. I dont think Halo ever had more than those, however.

>>389609334
I've played it a bit. I'd play it more if there were more than two other australians playing it every evening

Reminder that we should have got a hand-crafted singleplayer experience like Doom and Wolfenstein got.

>>389609228
>>389609302
>no armor pickups
>no way to go over max health with vials
>regenerating health
>2 weapon limit

And if you're going to refer to those stupid bubble shields etc that were added all the way out in halo 3 - yeah I guess that's technically correct, though it's a big fucking reach.

It's not an arena shooter. Get over it and move on.

>>389609517
Wouldn't be surprised if that comes later down the road. Not for Champions, but just a campaign-only game like Wolfenstein TNO

>>389609517
I wouldn't mind seeing Ranger go up against Elder gods again or actually make the Arena campaign a campaign

>>389609604
>>389609102
>Got dominated by a Sniper in Halo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv5Q9we_l4

>>389609604
I was only talking about your retarded statement of no pickups but alright.

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>>389609405
>knowing he's right

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>>389609604
>moving goalposts
You're so fucking pathetic dude. Power weapon control matters. Map control matters. Power ups extend your shields/health (I guess Quake isnt an arena shooter since only UT had vials?).

>>389609813
Quake had vials you fucking idiot

>>389608119

Halo was good but definitely not an arena shooter

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I've never played a Quake game before. Where do I start?

>>389609667
>tfw no UT tournament singleplayer

>>389609813
The only reason you want it to be an arena shooter is because you want to be included in the 'old school shooters' club. Just admit it, because it's getting pathetic

No self respecting oldfag would classify halo as an arena shooter. The two weapon limit and regenerating health disqualify it immediately

>>389610085
Quake II imo, but honestly all are very playable. It's just tool wrote the soundtrack for II and it's amazing

>>389610085
Quake Champions since it has other noobs playing right now

>>389609517
I mean, they've outright stated one of their hopes and dreams is using the lore they're setting up in Quake Champions to set themselves up for single-player content down the road. It might be something in the future.
https://www.twitch
.tv/videos/167956837?t=26m06s

>>389610125
I don't. Halo has passed it's relevance, but being an "arena shooter" isnt some godly exclusive title like quakedads like to think.

>>389610085
Quake champions so you aren't outmatched too terribly. If you're like completely virginal when it comes to good FPS games, play Unreal Tournament 2004 singleplayer. It has decent bots.

>>389610293
Mini SP campaigns for each champion would be good fun

>>389606608
Reflex does not have better performance. It goes apeshit if more than 8 people are on a server.

>>389610476
This, the bots are the perfect blend of hard and allowing the player to learn mechanics.

>>389610507
>Playing through Rangers and Visor's story

Yes please

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>>389610568
>Consume my bollocks, sir.

>>389608716
i bought it for a similar reason, got it to steam to my friends on release so they didn't waste money getting it since they're all big modern bioware lovers.

We laughed at some shit like the legs of your character freaking out if you spam left and right too fast as well as some of the dialogue. Managed to convince them all not to bother getting it.

As someone who loved bioware for games like baldurs gate, seeing what they are now still hurts

>>389610525
Why would eight people be on a duelflex server?

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>>389610213
it was sonic mayhem not tool

>>389610908
the game barely has eight players
>>389607073

>>389610907
Yeah I liked old bioware too.
And I liked westwood
And maxis

Thanks EA

>>389611042
Yes I've read the thread. Thanks for your 'help' anyway.

>>389611054
>Pandemic Studios
>Visceral Games
Fuck EA

Who do you think the strogg champion is going to be and what ability he is going to have?

>>389597607
>being a poorfag

>>389611251
>Pandemic
>No more Destroy all Humans
>No more true Star Wars Battlefront
>No Saboteur sequel

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>>389611263
It's the Strogg infiltrator from Quake Wars. He has a drone for his ability

>>389611263
"drone deployment" ability

>>389611343
To say nothing of how EA fucked up Dead Space 3

>>389611372
>Quake Wars
?

>>389611372
I enjoyed Quake Wars so this is fine.

>>389611042
Kek. There is a group that does ffa events in north america every couple days. If ever there are around 8-10 people on everything starts running like shit for all involved. Keep in mind this is on an official ffa server.

>>389611446
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars

Think of Battlefield but with humans vs Strogg

>>389611456
Think he'll have a passive where if he picks up some health he'll get a small amount of ammo?

>>389611553
That would be pretty good and very Strogg like.

>>389611817
It also ties back into Quake Wars

>>389607558
Is there an uncropped version of this?

>>389604608
C P M A

>>389606008
the failure of reflex has more to do with bad devs in over their head than marketing or not being AAA.
Essentially never trust Australians to not fuck it up.

>>389603051
>also 150hp and 50ar from spawn to make up for the "big hitbox"... that other big hitbox chars do not get

Clutch's 100/150 stack is better than Sorlag's AND he's faster (decent SJ + 650ups dodge with almost zero cooldown), yet nobody ever complains about him. How come?

What is with Rangers and Nyx's always trying to go for the telefrags and failing hard?

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>>389612350
It was just a shitty drawing for the general

>>389613092
Clutch doesn't 2hit you on a panic button

>>389613417
Why the fuck are you dealing with a tank in close range?

I mean, the first 50 times or so Scalebearer F'd me for an easy 100dmg tackle I was annoyed, but then I learned not to get on his face. Same applies to Sorlag

>>389613678
>Sorlagpologist

Your champs gonna get nerfed and you'll have to learn to be a man

>>389613678
maybe sorlag is camping the LG room and close range is the best shot

>>389613824
I'm all for Acid Spit on 45 sec cooldown. If you actually make her stack worse by even 50 she will drop to near bottom tier

>>389613092
Clutch sucks

>>389613878
Well, he's playing to the hero's advantages. If you have a fast hero you can nab that LG and run, or decide to not engage. If you get a good rocket in you can easily close in for the kill against Sorlag as anyone

>>389613950
I still think he's better than Scalebearer

>>389607073
>DUDE PLAYER NUMBERS LULMAO
go shit up a pubg thread m8
>>389612738
they didn't fuck anything up though it just never attracted a casual playerbase
>>389606835
QC is a collaboration with Saber interactive a Russia based studio

>>389614084
If he hits back slightly and shits his ability down as he dies he's still trading a frag.

I don't think Sorlag is that bad personally, probably a bit too easy to do well with perhaps. Just that "tank" and not roles aren't that defined stack size varies a ton especially outside of duel and so does skill. You take what engagements you can or you're not getting many frags at all, at least for the first five frags or so until you get a handle on how good everyone is

>>389606384
source? image search didn't work.

>>389613182
I barely ever use Ranger's for that. Typically I'll use it to get to a pickup faster.

>>389614324
>If he hits back slightly and shits his ability down as he dies he's still trading a frag.

Same as a Ranger panic Dire Orbing you, or Doomguy panic zerking, or Scalebearer panic bullrushing (which makes him damage resistant), etc. You need to count on such maneuvers and "respect" them so to say. You can't know if they're on cooldown, so you can make an effort to try and keep some space between you and the enemy

Even though it lingers, the 25dmg blobs from Sorlag's spit has deceptively low range. If the guy's desperate you can bait it. Pretend you're going to close in and backpedal

>>389614417
From my experience they keep trying to telefrag before warping off a cliff.

>>389614175
>they didn't fuck anything up though
>item timers

>>389609813
Lol so sad when your only argument is semantics.
Vials, health bubbles, whatever you wanna call them they do the same function

The FPS genre is unbelievably simple when you think about it, basically "click on thing until it dies"

No wonder 12 year olds gravitate towards it.

Quake works around that by focussing on movement.

>>389616806
Chess is unbelievably simple when you think about it, basically "attack enemy units until he loses".

>>389616806
Quake is more about aim than movement

>>389616806
Football is unbelievably simple, all you have to do is kick the ball into the goal :)
Basketball is unbelievably simple, all you have to do is throw the ball through the hoop :)

>>389606384
need dat sauce

>>389598709
This is why I don't like to talk about FPS games on /v/. You guys are fucking retarded.

>>389617818
he's right though

>>389617890
He isn't. How bad are you guys at video games? I'm done with 4chan, you're all fucking trash at video games and have no clue what you're talking about. I might as well talk to feminist nu-males cause you're on the same level as them skill and mental wise.

>>389597535
its because fps are made for consoles now. so skilled based movement is out of the question and why slow paced cover based bullshit, regen'ing health and other gay shit is the norm.

>>389618048
duel me in qc or ql

>>389617674
get off my board euroshit

>>389606909
he knows how to use bulb words

>>389618609
>le 1v1 me noob xd
are you 12?

>>389618868
>le pretending to be good at video games on an anonymous imageboard xd
are you?

>>389607323
they literally copied 1:1 cpma, they didn't try to come up with anything original except the stake gun which is on ZERO MAPS. that is not impressive. when i bought the game they promised a good artstyle, they had the rocketlauncher made with a good texture and thats what i expected but then they threw that all away to go for the lazy ass "mesh look" it looks fucking worse than cpma now too so whats the fucking point

>>389597535
Idk tfc needs skill. Probably because it started in quake. And no i am not talking bout tf2

>>389620410
OP is probably talking about popular games like Overwatch and csgo

>>389620410
i'd actually learn to play fortress forever if it wasn't dead as hell, but i won't bother with real tfc.
looks like shit and has really bad audio-visual feedback.

>>389618609
Post ur ingame name

>>389620885
rapha

guys stop arguing
you're all equally shit

>>389621085
I played that guy he's pretty bad, should stick to QL where you don't need to hit 50% LG to win.

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It's not that you're bad anon
It's not you
It's Ranger

Stop picking Ranger. I know you, yes you, that are playing for free aren't getting any kills and it shows. But it's not you, it's because you don't have any other character, and stick with ranger because they told you he's balanced.

It's not. He sucks compared to others and you will keep losing until you get Nyx or Anarki. It's what it is. Look at every other player: What do you see? Nyx and Anarki on the top. Know why? because they have: Knowledge of the game, more speed, and a tiny hitbox of plot armor with a crutch ability if anything goes wrong.

So please Ranger player, stop it.

>>389622661
>plot armor

literally a fucking joke of a game

>>389622661
it must be something. aside from the constant framedips i know for a fact i should be doing better simply because ive never done so fucking bad in quake live freeforall

>>389606384
give me source, image search sites show nothing

>>389622661
gonna main ranger again just because of this post. Doomguy will understand

>>389622842
>literally

>>389622661
really the only good thing he has is RJ and that's almost never needed in a game where you can strafe jump.

>>389622842
t. can't get a positive k.d

>>389598331
You have to learn how to play for maximum fun.

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>Loved Quake as a kid
>Always hated the meme hop flick shit
It's an abstract kind of feeling.

>>389623049
same for any game

>>389620583
MegaTF is active on weekends and way better than TFC

Quake Champions is a great game. People just pretend it isn't because they're bad at it.

>>389622854
Ranger has 100hp and 25ar. The Dire Orb deals 100 damage if you plant it but it's slow moving and hard to land. Has some real utility potential though.

But if you see it as what it is, Ranger has a huge hitbox, little health and no reliable crutch. Even Doomguy who is """bad""" can run away with the Berserker and has more health pool AND can double jump which is underestimated in this game.

Ranger is just bad.

>Take teleporter
>Hit 4 of scalebearer's traps

this is why i hate lockbox

>>389624262
i meant galena fuck im tired

>>389623185
did you just never learn how to do it? its very satisfying to do because you subtly feel a speed boost every time you jump

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>>389622661
Too bad the one character i luckily got from a free chest was clutch

>>389625238
become the pro clutch player that we all know you can be anon, you can do it!

>itt more arenafag posers pretending they actually play these games anywhere close to a level in which the skill involved is noticeably higher than in other online fps
I bet most of you play CoD and get your ass kicked by those shitters and can't even scratch the skill ceiling.

>>389597661
Games with depth are generally fun to me
Shallow games are generally boring to me
I don't really care about winning all the time though. I just like personal improvement and seeing who can outsmart who.

>>389625778
I always get that feeling when browsing these threads lel.

>>389606384
someone have sauce? image search brings me nothing

>>389603181
that dmg control

>>389603181
L-Lars-sama pls :'(

>>389625778
most players really are fucking shit, at best good at clan arena and thats all. they wouldn't be able to play ffa or duels in any meaningful manner, i wish shitty threads like this would stop being made all the time

>game already ruined by cheaters

>>389625778
>>389625905
>>389628385
I have 3+ KDR in QC and hit 40+ LG