Is there a more perfect game? >inb4 THIEF 2 HURRRRR no

>>389585276
Thief 2 has no bad missions. Thief does.

i like thief more than thief 2 because you're actually allowed to use your sword once in a while

>>389585276
Thief 2 is better in every way.

>>389585276
>Clunky ass game with neat ideas but terrible execution
Yawn.

THIEF 2 HURRRRR
TDP or TMA is just a matter of taste. I disliked the monster levels so TMA is perfect for me.

>>389585276
I liked MA more. Felt more polished, while being basically a same game.
I liked playing Deadly shadows too, despite it being a clunky shitfest, but I found it quite comfy with cool atmosphere, so I just patched it up and gave it a pass

>>389586295
>rushed game by a dying studio felt more polished?

fucking
w
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a
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>>389585276
>Down in the Bonehoard
>Thieve's Guild
>Haunted Cathedral x2
>Lost City
>Escape!
>Into the Maw of Chaos
The Dark Project is pretty much 'THAT level: the game', Thief 2 is better in every way.

I love Thief and Thief 2. Will I like Styx? I kind of want to get it but I always pass on it.

>>389586614
I liked it a lot, it's not Thief but it's clearly inspired by it.

>>389586556
I'll give you Thieves' Guild, but all those other levels are great and fun as fuck to ghost and go full loot on

>>389587261
I think I'll just get it, it's cheap right now and I'm tired of debating myself on this, kind of pointless for how much it is.

>>389587353
You think Escape! is fun? I think that's Thi4f tier to be honest, it might make sense in relation to the plot but it's no very fun as there's no thieving and the entire layout is needlessly convoluted and everything looks the same.

>>389586505
hawt ur boipuccer ;)

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stix is fucking garbo

>>389586505
Yep. It was more detailed and there were actually more than 3 pieces of fucking furniture type in each level. Also more routes and hidden shit.

>>389587528
>needlessly convoluted
but that's the best part, I think it has great layout and love how it segue's into Constatine's mansion ground level

on no level is it Thi4f tier, all it does it may force you to use your blackjack/sword more than previous levels if granted. but it's perfectly fine to ghost it

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>>389585276
>Thief TDP
>perfect
lmao
The gameplay is perfectly designed but there are some dogshit levels
Thief 2 wins because of more varied gameplay and more consistent level so consistent they copy pasted one level

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Reminder this game is good.

>>389588017
What about the second one?

>>389586556
Escape! is the only bad level that you posted.

>>389587978
The best part is that it wastes your time? I don't think so, the best levels from Thief are Assassins and The Sword which are focused levels on thievery with non linear level design not meandering through caves with dinosaurs and zombies in them for an hour.

>>389588017
>thief for retards
No thanks.

>>389585380
casing the joint twice

>>389588145
Even better gameplay wise

>when that simple yet god-tier ambient music comes on
Thief Gold was much more atmospheric and unnerving than T2, though I love both equally

https://youtu.be/XqdIR-TkMEc?t=1m56s

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>>389588373
>When you hear the horn's sounds progressively become more prominent in the bonehoard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u27wbsUojlo

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Are you really going to start another Thief thread with the tiresome debate of which one is better? Come with something new for a change.

Got a question about Dromed. I'm following Nicks tutorial. I tried to open Thief Objective Wizard (v1.02) and I got this. richt32.ocx should not be outdated. What do I do? I'd rather not use Goalmaster.

>>389589014
you have more luck asking the thief forum

>>389585380
>>389587353
Escape was terrible. It's okay until Garret gets out of the basement, but as soon as he reaches the first floor of Constantine's mansion is't an absolute pain int he ass. He can't outrun the beast guards and dies i one hit. The area of completely bloated with enemies to effectively sneaking past them without save scumming is almost impossible. The a.i. is completely fucked too, Half of the time when I play the mission it glitches out and all the enemies get thrown into the alert phase and never come out of it. Not only are there beast guards everywhere but there are also those dumb exploding frogs that magically already know where Garret is. tl;dr escape is garbage.

>>389588017
>you can literally run past every guard and win
>good
no

>>389591016
Wtf I hate Thief now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlXOKg5mmlQ

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>tfw i killed Ramirez pets
fuck you ramirez. Don't try to kill my again.

>Unplayable on modern PCs
ebin

>>389591553
>easiest difficulty
>literally the first level
nice cherry picking.

>>389592709
I'm playing Thief Gold on W7 right now.

>>389592858
>W7
>modern

>>389588508
This still give me the chills. I never played past that mission as a kid because I was terrified.
And today I love those spoopy missions and can't love 2 as much as 1.

>>389592718
Wtf I hate Thief now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj5Y_Xpe_hA

>>389593027
Took me 3 hours the first time blind.
Shit map.

>>389585380
Could not be more wrong. Thief 2 had way more mediocre and unfinished shitty levels than Thief 1.

Also D&D Thief levels are kino.

>>389593027
wtf I love Thief now

>ghosting Thieves Guild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtTlxpfE8j4

>>389593582
not necessarily

It had more overlooked and underrated levels than Thief 1, like Eavesdropping and Precious Cargo

the only level that felt it was rushed was Kidnap

yes I enjoyed Casing the Joint and Masks, very comfy mansion

>>389588017
only if you limit yourself since powers make everything too easy

also the so convenient choices to avoid killing are fucking lame

Did anyone try this thing? Impressions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcpXjEsSRxc

>>389594951
>(New Release Date: Spring 2018)

forget it, I dont remember that extra title when I saw the video the first time...

>>389586556
Thieves' Guild isn't part of TDP, it was added in Gold.

>>389594416
You are like a baby
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6unENQCPQ

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Why don't people want Thief remasters?

>>389595461
There's no point in remastering the games.

>>389595498
This.

>>389595461
More new thief-likes would be better.

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>>389595628
Are you familiar with a tale called 'The Monkey Paw'?

>>389585926
Here's your (you)

I'm used to modern games but it's not a difficult game at all if you have a brain.

>>389588012
In what way does Thief 2 have more varied gameplay than Thief 1?

The entirety of Thief 2 is sneaking, blackjacking and disabling robots. In Thief 2 you have a sword that you literally never get to use if you're playing on Expert difficulty, it may as well not even be in your inventory. Thief 1 breaks up the repetitiveness by keeping you on your toes with huge exploratory D&D thief dungeon crawls, a powerful atmosphere of dread and real resource management survival horror style gameplay woven throughout the campaign.

I've played through Thief Gold probably like 6x in total and Thief 2 only like 2x fully and then like 3 halfway attempts.

I'd argue that the levels are less consistent if anything. First City Bank, Precious Cargo and Life of the Party are all good of course, LotP so good in-fact that it spawned basically an entire subgenre of fanmissions with similar gameplay, but all of the other levels range from ultra mediocre to downright bad.

Shipping is boring and you have to backtrack to a codebox to open every warehouse etc. do it all again 5x more. Framed is very clearly unfinished as fuck, they were basically going to redo like 1/3 of the level for Thief 2 Gold if that was ever going to come out. Ambush and Trace the Courier are both just shit. Eavesdropping is short as fuck and you spend like 3 minutes with your ears against a door. Kidnap is a fucking atrocity, a totally recycled level from Thief 1 with random mechanist security shit everywhere that the level was not designed for in the first place - it does not work. The problems with Casing the Joint and Masks are obvious to anyone who has played the game - you shouldn't have to play the same level twice in a row, Thief 2 Gold was planned to add like 3 missions between them to split them up and make it less retarded but that never happened so we're stuck with vanilla T2's problems. Soulforge is a huge backtrackfest slog and is really slow for what is supposed to be the climax of the game.

>>389595461
Because that would be fucking stupid. HD texture packs already exist, and the games look fine as they are. A remaster would add nothing and would only exist to fatten the pockets of some faggot publishers.

>>389586556
What the fuck is this shit taste. Bonehoard is probably one of the best levels in the game. Thieves' Guild is pretty confusing/bad the first time through but it offers a lot of challenge on repeated playthroughs. Haunted Cathedral & Return to the Cathedral are fucking amazing. The Lost City is also amazing. Maw of Chaos is a perfectly fine final level for the game, about as good as you can expect a climax to be. Escape isn't great but I wouldn't call it bad either. Thief 2's levels are consistently a lot worse than Thief 1's.

>>389585276
>ghosting
>not just overhead swinging all your enemies like a madman

SAD!

>>389596209
Not him but Into the Maw is pretty shit. It's not bad like Escape, but it's pretty bad. It's just a long hallway then Garret has to wait for Constantine to finish his ritual then die.

>>389595905
This guy gets it so right I want to kiss him
/Thread

>>389590334
GIT
GUD

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>>389585276
>game has giant spiders in it

I found that shit more scary than the Hammer Haunts and the stupid cathedral

Why didn't you warn me, /v/?

>>389596919
It does the job. The game has been leading up to this point and it follows on directly from Strange Bedfellows perfectly, it's meant to feel like a race to the finish to get to Constantine before he finishes his ritual (even though it's not ACTUALLY on a timer, people would probably hate it even more).

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>>389595461
I want games that actually realise what Thief did so well instead of more garbage that calls itself a 'spiritual successor'

>>389595775
He's not wrong. Thief is fucking clunky

>>389595461
Modern game engines can't do accurate sound propagation and instead would give Garrett the magic eyes from Thi4f to see through walls to locate enemies.

>>389597424
I felt that was part of its charm.

Garrett is far from perfect and isn't even that quiet despite being a master thief.

I mean the fucker is loud as shit on marble or metal flooring.

>>389597424
Maybe if you failed to rebind the controls. Garrett's agile as fuck and without the cumbersomely animated context actions that plague modern games.

>>389597539
It's because he's a D&D Thief that wears boots fit for dungeon crawling in smashed to shit catacombs, mines and other shitholes instead of wearing sandals or just wrapping his feet in rags.

>>389586556
God damn /v/ has shitty taste.

>>389597185

Well people do say that TDP is the game with horror elements.

>>389595905

I don't think that it was a bad sequel, but I'm convinced that the state of Metal Age sans remaster is what indirectly led to Thi4f. They knew people liked Life of the Party, but they didn't know why people liked the rest of the game and thus they missed the point entirely.

>>389598295
Burricks a cute.

t. ramirez

>>389598295

>Not liking burricks

Dumb noblemen keep them as pets, what's not great about that?

>>389598175
I don't think the devs of Thi4f ever played Thief 1 or 2. They probably thought Deadly Shadows was the only Thief game because it wasn't called Thief 3: Deadly Shadows, and even then they did a much, much worse job than Deadly Shadows did - and I really do not like TDS at all so that's saying something.

>>389599198
They said players didn't want to not have a fully detailed map since the first one only gave you a rough sketch of the area, they probably played them but fundamentally didn't realize what made them good.

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>>389585276
say no more

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>>389599198

If they played TDP, then they forgot most of the details of it between announcing 4 in 2009 and release.

>Because Garrett always has this thing with the eye. We want to be true to some of the things that trademark the things you recognise from the character, that was a very important thing for us.

>It’s crystal clear since the beginning; we restart it but again, by respecting the DNA of the franchise. But no,no,no it’s not a sequel – Garrett is back, a bit like Chris Nolan did with the Batman for example. It’s Batman he still has the same mental problem with the bat and stuff like that, but his suit has more modern aspects and not just this thin Adam West … but at the same time everybody will tell you that this is Batman, there’s no problem, it respects the franchises – it emphasises what we are doing now.

They had some awareness, but really not enough:

>It’s not hazy. The people loving the franchise… I’m pretty sure in their mind, if we do something specifically… you won’t forgive us. If we don’t have this feature [punches hand], we have to be careful. We did our homework, we are ready to give you information.

https://www.nowgamer.com/thief-interview-action-vs-stealth-next-gen-reboot-vs-sequel/

>This hasn't been posted yet
Not sure if I should be impressed or disgusted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dHzo8BpWW8

>>389600357
I love the conversations in this game.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=VSVMLVDsejM

>>389600357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSBi9DFVpR8

>>389600581

>Fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Gets me every time.

so what does taffer means?
i always thought it meant like "thief", but i've seen people sometime use it as a censored word for swearing or something.

>>389600906
It's just an in-universe light curseword probably equivalent to calling someone a dick I think.

>>389600581
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1adiCkVyPXS

>>389600906

From PC Accelerator, interview with Steve Pearsall, project designer of Thief. The question, "What is a Taffer and where did it come from?" The Answer, "One of our level designers, Laura Baldwin, made it up. Taffer was meant to be a slang word that meant a common criminal, but has evolved into meaning any sort of low life."

>>389601080
This is excellent. Is that you/are you the same person as the one that made the really old vocaroo that is used in the vid?

>>389600906
>>389601017
>In different languages of Thief, the word taffer does not exist.[4] In the Russian, French, and German version, appropriate curses are used instead, i.e., villain, fool, retard, etc.

>The Polish version has its own translation of taffer, "łacher". It compilates "łach", meaning "clout"; "łachudra", meaning "scoundrel, scamp, rouge"; with the suffix "er", that is used in lowbrow type dialect, and/or an indication of a persons expertise.

>The Hungarian translation uses "bumburnyák" for taffer. It is like "silly", or "poor sod" in the meaning between the original and modern usage. Similarly to "taffer", this word cannot be found in regular dictionaries and sounds comic rather than obscene so guards can say it to each other and really bad guys as well.

>Others substitute appropriate swears according to intensity, such as, "lotor", "gauner", "hajzel", "darebák", "zlodej", etc.

>>389585276
I am playing Thi4f right now. Honestly it is not that bad on master difficulty with everything disabled. Atmosphere is fantastic, i also like immersive hand animations. Some missions are atrocious due to forced "cinematic" action, but Moira asylum was a lot of fun. Game could be so good with deeper exploration, more freedom and less handholding.

>>389601148
>>389600906
yeah i tink i remember that in the french version, they say voleur (thief) most of the time.
don't use the word as a swear word or an insult really.

>>389600906
Corruption of the word "trickster". If you're really curious the writer who came up with it talks a bit about it in this about 19 minutes in

http://gambit.mit.edu/podcasts/lgs/podcast3_tim_laura_sara.mp3

>>389585380
While I'm inclined to agree I find that even though TDP/Gold had one or two annoying missions I appreciate that it had variety

MA feels like I drag towards the end because they're all pretty regular "steal/hide from people" missions

both are 10/10 though

Am I crazy or did Thief 2 have female guards? I remember there were but every video I find of it, it seems like there are only male guards.

>>389601598
thank you my man

>>389592709
>>389592996
https://www.gog.com/game/thief_gold

Now kill yourself.

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>Although LookingGlass has fallen, we pass on the flag to those who are up the the challenge
>17 years later
>no one picked up the flag
>no one was up to the challenge

>>389595719

>Roy says the combat was a big challenge for Eidos Montréal. Early in development the studio playtested the old games original style of more direct fighting. A lot of people, a menagerie of people, told us okay, it doesnt work. Ten years later, that type of gameplay doesnt work, said Roy. I dont know if you remember with the previous game? Lets say Ive been detected; it was really, really tough to survive. You know? It was unforgiving. Game over.

>>389602513
C A N C E R
A
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>>389602402

>>389597082
ass
blasted
and not an argument
fag

>>389595461
Personally its because I dont think Thief works in a modern world. I do like Thief inspired games like Dishonored but the somewhat dated engine of Thief 1 and 2 work perfectly for it, its why I dont like Deadly Shadows as much despite it still being a good game

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>>389602513

>>389602685
Deadly Shadows is like a million times more clunky and shitty-feeling because the engine is a piece of shit. Same goes for Invisible War. You can safely blame the Xbox for most of the game's downfalls.

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>>389602402

>>389602513
>I look to a nearby edge, and a prompt appears telling me I can jump across. Jumping is now a context- sensitive action. “Jumping, bouncing up and down, kind of broke the immersion,” says Schmidt. “We didn't want you to be the master thief and you just tend to fall off stuff all the time.” That's fair, but the loss of granular control when you jump feels very un-PC in philosophy. I'll come back to that.

>>389602513
>>389602905
>“There is a challenge with the diversity of the audience,” says Schmidt. “Ask someone today to play the original Thief games, and it's going to be a challenge to really get into its patterns before you start enjoying it. So the way that we address it is we make sure that you have options, and difficulty settings.”

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>>389602402

>>389602905
>>389603070

Stop it, it hurts.

>>389603346
>As far as game influences go, he elaborates: “We looked a lot at Bioshock. I’m a big fan of old Splinter Cell, old stealth games, Metal Gear and things like that, so I kind of replay them a lot also. I played Skyrim as a stealth character also.”

>I played Skyrim as a stealth character also.

>I played Skyrim as a stealth character also.

>>389603475
>making a Thief reboot
>says he's a big fan of old stealth games
>doesn't play Thief
what

>>389602402
Arkane make the same type of games are comprised of many ex-TTLG members, literal non argument.

>>389601740
there's female city watch and female mechanists.
One of them is a main character. Don't you remember?

>>389603778
It's LGS. Looking Glass Studios. TTLG is a forum, not a game development studio.

Arkane's games are good, better than most shit these days, but Dishonored is nothing like Thief. Dishonored is primarily about being an assassin and using tons of tools, spells and gadgets to kill people. Thief is about using tools and gadgets to avoid people and Garrett is squishy as fuck.

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>>389602513
This is making me grind my teeth in frustration
Thief's fencing system was cool as fuck and deliberately difficult.
>>389602905
>it kind of broke the immersion
>adds a fucking button prompt
I can't fucking wait for the AAA industry to crash and burn

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>>389602513

>>389604239
Are Eidos Montreal into the money laundering business?

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>>389597185
>tfw first time seeing crab people

>>389604465
>crab people
you can blackjack them you know

Who the fuck is scared of crabs?

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>>389595719

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>>389603475
>designing an immersive first person stealth game
>doesn't use other first person stealth games as reference
>most references are in fucking third person
I want out of this nightmare

>>389604534
i always found crabs and lobsters to be creepy as fuck

>>389604693
Viktoria had a dank sounding voice.

Same VA as SHODAN right?

>>389604693
was losing his eye the best thing that ever happened to garrett?

>>389604686
Post the System Shock/Bioshock comparison.

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>>389605225
yes

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>>389605335
This one?

>>389605345
Nah.

>>389605335
Didn't Ken Levine work on OG Thief?

What went wrong?

Damn, it seems they deleted some of devs blogs and I can't post more lovely quotes

http://community.eidosmontreal.com/blog/Thief-Community-QA-Wrapup

http://community.eidosmontreal.com/blog/Take-5-QA-1

http://community.eidosmontreal.com/blogs/Take-5-QA-2

>>389605524
ew no.

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>>389585276
>Father "Setting Fire to Gaia" Karras
>Father "Greenhouse Slaughterhouse" Karras
>Father "If it rusts, it fills me with lust" Karras
>Father "If it breathes, it needs to leave" Karras
>Father "if it makes a breath, greet it with death" Karras
>Father "If it has life, give it the knife" Karras
>Father "If it's green, make it a machine" Karras
>Father "If it's got petals, replace it with metal" Karras
>Father "If I see a Pagan, I'm a ragin'" Karras

Reminder that he did nothing wrong.

>>389605676
Nice revisionism, he was one of the designers and writers.

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i remember buying PC Gamer, cutting out the ads for Thief II and just putting them up on the walls in my room.

they were pretty cheesy, but i loved them
>the wages of sin are death, and payday is coming
>don't be afraid of the dark, be afraid of what it hides

still better than
>what's yours is mine

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>>389605786
kys fgt

>>389605872
that's a pretty picture

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>>389605951
He made your eye you worthless manlet cuck.

KYS

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>>389605951

>>389605951
This but unironically.

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>>389606047
just gas yourself fag

>>389585276
Thief 2X is better than both of them

>>389585380
Absolute lie

is it some nostalgia shit that i still think thief and thief II are some of the best games ever made?

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>>389603475

whoops

>>389606618
Is that the one with stronk female protagonist?
Fuck off

>>389606810
I think you mean

WOOSH

>>389585380
>Thief 2 has no bad missions.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
*breathes in*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>389606809
they're pretty good

>>389606810
CAN'T SWOOP HERE

>>389585276
1 has better OMs but 2 has way more FMs and a lot of them are better than anything in either game
Call it cheating but I'd pick 2 just for that any day

>>389604534
idk man crab people are pretty spooky

>>389604091
I honestly don't I played Thief when I was kid

>>389597647
this desu.

Garrett moves at sanic speed.

>tfw finally got gud and jumped from carpet to carpet instead of walking on tiled floors.

>>389608245
Garrett is only Sonic tier if you're pro at bunny hopping.

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>>389595719
That's jacknalls paw, you bees less stupid nexty timesy.

>the fanatic church followers are the big bad guys but then it turns out they aren't the bad guys and did nothing wrong

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>>389609347
kill thyself pagan dog.

>>389609558
What's so bad about the Hammerites anyway?

All they want is for people to follow the law and not act like savages.

>>389609563
WHAT WAS THAT YOU TAFFER?

>>389609706
They act like fucking assholes. Half the people are cragscleft don't even belong there. If you even sneezed in front of their stupid first-hammer they would probably bash your skull in and claim you're a pagan or something.

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>>389609558
>the only club with no grills
Makes my cogs move.

>>389604686
AAAAAAWHY WHY WHYYYYY

>>389609868
What. I remember you can read the books to see who is in Cragscleft and what they are in for while you're there and the only one that stuck out to me as brutal/cruel is they locked away a beggar and he died of illness while there. Obviously the prison system is some medieval fucked up bullshit that kills more people than it could ever rehabilitate but the rest of the guys in there are there for rape, theft, murder, prostitution, etc. and have punishments like lashes, beatings, chopping fingers off.

The Hammers aren't the good guys but they're not the bad guys either. They are the Lawful Neutral in the name of the builder righteous punishment morally grey faction. The Mechanists/Karras is when they really become the bad guys.

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>>389609926
>autist who wants to replace himself with a soulless robot

Really makes my hammer thirsty for blood.

>>389609868
most of the people in cragscleft are thieves and whores and pagans. Pretty much every single person thrown in there is a shitbag.

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>>389605786
b-but muh waifu
muh magic muthafucka

>>389609926
>faggot nu-hammerites that cuck themselves for robots over the builders walls and chisels
>wear faggot blue instead of cool red

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*blocks your path*

>>389610359
*fire arrows you*

giv thief 3 plz

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>>389610359
>help brother renault

>>389610359
I never completed this level without getting Garret to the roof and just jumping around to the front entrance of the cathedral.

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>>389610359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwBOwWU2Hd0

Heh, nothing personnel kid.

>>389610836
I think that only works in the dark project.
Ive seen people doing lean exploits to exit the cathedral.

>>389611131
Yeah, that should work in Gold still. You can also stack boxes up in the inner courtyard and climb over the wall out of the map to finish it before you meet Brother Murus.

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>>389610803
What did he mean by this?

>>389611239
Shitty Xbox game.

how come thief can handle sound with old computer speakers better than modern games can with 7.1 or whatever?

>>389611239
>thief made for consoles
No thanks, I want an actual Thi3F

>>389611384
Thief 3 nonetheless and Shalebridge Cradle was good.

>>389597185
>battling one of those fuckers in the lost city
>spiders creep me out, but I fought so many at this point that I'm "battle-hardened" at this point
>sudently it jumps up/through me
scared the shit out of me and left me in cold sweat for quite a while

>discover first lobster guy
>get unnerved by the sounds and animation of this lowpoly model

>find burning corpse walking around
>curiously fire a water arrow at it after observing for a while
>doesn't die on the first one
>as I'm about to fire the second it just charges at me at the speed of light just to disappear leaving silence
ended up standing there in shock for a solid minute trying to get my hands to calm the fuck down

The games atmosphere, low res graphics and things being suprisingly unpredictable at times just works so well.

>>389610836
That aint shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfBEzbk5EgA

>>389611624
Yeah, I realized it while watching it that it's a garbo tier speedrun, the guy literally stops in the middle room for like a minute. It was the first result I found when I spewed words into youtube to find the skull in door trick.

The one you posted is a lot fucking funnier.

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>>389611231
Looks like stacking is the only aviable solution now...