So class, what did we learn about Paid Mods?

they are very very poopies lols ;))

>>389584669
That you can get away with it just fine if you aren't a major publisher.

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=230410

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>>389584669
IT DOESN'T MATTER
I ALREADY WON
NEXT TES YOU LITTLE FAGS WILL BE ALL ABOUT MY MODSTORE™

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that you have to buy all of them and write a 200 words positive review on Steam's Creation Club page as an assignment

>>389584669
Modders deserve compensation.

>>389584669
That they're incredibly lucrative for the (original) devs and will become industry standard because fuck you.

This won't harm their bottom line at all. Normalfags will love it.

>>389584669
We learned that Bethesda can get away with anything.
We both know that everyone will preorder their next game. and pay for its mods

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Apparently they've broken sales expectations because of PS4 sales alone, so I hope you enjoy paying $5.99 for the Skyrim 2 Official Unofficial Patch

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>>389585074
with a cut for me of course

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>400 bethshekels for a mod that already exists and is free

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>>389585496
>>389585736
nice 6

>>389584669
that bombing steam reviews don't mean jack shit. fucking crybabies

>>389585496
Great job consolecucks.

>>389585909
Not true look up the whole GTAV situation with mods.

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>>389585909
if only they had bombed reviews because FO4 is fucking garbage

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>>389584919
what the fuck, the mod creator gets 30% and DE gets 70%??

>>389584669
That the modding community are poorfags living with their moms

>>389585268
>>389585307
But at least they know many gamers are not fine with the shit they are pulling out, of course they knowing and doing something about it is a completely different matter.

>>389584669
That normies and consolefags are the cancer of the industry since they enable shitty practices like this by making it profitable for the people out to rip them of.

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>>389585830
>people are unironically defending this

>Paid Mods
>mods
children pls

lrn2business

>>389586171
Yes and only if the mod makes a certain cut.

Bethesda now gives modders 0% with creation club.
They pay you 100-999 dollars for your mod and after that own 100% of all rights to it and get all the money.

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>>389584669
They're not paid mods, anon. They're exclusive curated micro-dlc that can only be used if you pay for Bethesda-exclusive digital currency and exchange that currency for them. Please delete this defamatory post before I have to get Bethesda's legal team involved.

>>389584669
I find it weird that the only mods available in the Creation club so far are incredibly basic skins which are worse than the shit that's already available for free. Why don't they open with the kind of stuff that people may be actually interested to buy like new areas, quests, and anything with significant amount of playable content. What are they hoping to achieve?

>>389587139

That takes effort. Nobody is going to work on a fully fledged DLC for $1000 or other scraps.

>>389584919
its a free game people expect this kind of shit

>>389586703
I think it's silly to have a cap below 4 figures. There's some very large scale mods around that have actual teams working on it, seems silly that their work is capped at $999 no matter what they do.

>>389587109
>curated
This is actually very important. Also the fact that they'll continue to work after a new patch without having to find the mod page and reinstall it yourself.

>>389587139
Shot too early, seems they were too eager to get it out instead of doing research into the modding community, finding the best, and getting content form them started before even announcing CC.

>>389587139
>I find it weird that the only mods available in the Creation club so far are incredibly basic skins
why do you find it weird? the same thing happened with the sims when ea decided to monetize community content. no one took any risks on anything because they could make more money with garbage textures and sometimes models

>>389584669
to do it again in 6 months when the goyim are distracted

If you're going to sell something, make sure it's yours.

>>389584669
They are Overwhelmingly Positive :^)

>>389587987
who is taller todd or manlytears?

who is the bigger liar?

>>389588376
both

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CHANGE YOUR REVIEWS

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>>389588476

>>389584669

Nothing because I don't need to experience paid mods to know that it's like paying to go down on a hooker

>>389588376
Todd for both

gamers are entitled and they are withholding money from poor, disillusioned devs and modders that is rightfully theirs?

>>389585935
I have no control over the stupid shit idiots buy with their consoles. All I can say is I'm very disappointed.

>>389584669
Bethesda will win in the long run. They have the clarity of purpose, persistence, and money to win the long game. We will forget and soon paid mods will just be how things are. Like DLC, on disk DLC, and every other cancerous anti consumer standard embraced in the industry today.

There is no hope.

>Make a mod for Fallout 4
>Bethesda gives you $200 for it
>Then makes 200k
>Then implements it in their next game
>And if you say anything about it you're going to have to fight them in court

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>>389588376
>manlytears
>bigger than anyone

Any recent statements from Bethesda on this?

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>>389584669
That PC gamers dont matter to developers. Angry pcfags were a calculated risk

>>389586061
Rockstar backed on this because it wasn't about money. Bethesda will not give up on that free money source.
Just like with DLCs, introduction of paid mods will hurt just for a couple first months.

At this point I just expect their next game to contain nothing but their engine and by clicking new game you'll be redirected to creation club with most popular main quests, made entirely by modders for 15000 CCC (Creation Club Credits) only.

>>389587419
>>curated
>This is actually very important. Also the fact that they'll continue to work after a new patch without having to find the mod page and reinstall it yourself.

FUCK ANON
CURATED BY FUCKING BETHESDA
THE COMPANY SO SHITTY ABOUT RELEASING BUGGED TRASH THAT THEIR GAMES' MODDING COMMUNITY BLOSSOMED VIA AN INCREDIBLE NEED FOR UNOFFICIAL PATCHES AND BUGFIXES
QUALITY CONTROL MEANS NOTHING IF THE PEOPLE IN CONTROL HAVE ZERO FUCKING SENSE OF QUALITY
FUCK

>>389588875
They are in this thread and you gave them the idea. Hope you're proud.

>>389588773
Bethesda is being so fucking scummy with this it's unbelievable

>>389588938
I will pirate them then as almost everyone in this thread would do. It's also the only way I might enjoy gameplay without gamebreaking bugs made by bethesda programmers.

>>389586703
>>389586171
no, DE doesn't get 70%
steam takes a 30 percent cut of absolutely everything sold through their market. DLC, mods, items, whatever it is, if it's sold on steam 30% goes to steam.

That means, in this case, DE takes 40%; the mod creator takes 30%, and Steam takes 30%

>people actually bought fallout 4

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>>389589442
of course i did its a great game you retard

Even with overwhelmingly negative response they won't stop now.

The next Fallout and TES will have Creation Club built in with the CK itself having limited features but paying a small fee would "unlock" everything.

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>>389584669

>So class, what did we learn about Paid Mods?

That they're very profitable and that the main target audience on PS4 is buying them like crazy. What? Did you honestly believe PC Gamers make a good chunk of the consumers who bought FO4? Don't make me fucking laugh!

>>389589537
pirated and its a shit, everything is casualized to hell

>>389584884
this is a good post

>>389584669
>So class, what did we learn about Paid Mods?
Just look at this thread. Toddposting is true cancer.

>>389588773
Thing is any mod creator isn't gunna waste their time. They'd rather collect patreon/youtube/donation money that'll net them far more money.

The only mods that will be worth cashing out $200 for will be people that spend 5min and a cup of coffee recoloring some horse armor or making a hat. This happened when Steam tried paid mods last time.

>the $99 horse vagina mod
>that one $10 mod that literally added a plate to a table in Riverwood
etc etc

>>389590441
>recoloring some horse armor or making a hat

have you seen what's available on creation club? skins and models with stats slapped on. anything more complex and bethesda would fail completely at ensuring it works properly

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>>389585074
Yeah except not in a way that completely disables the Fallout 4 Script Extender.

>Creation Club updates change the main esm of Fallout 4 every time, which would be done every time new content was added
>Meaning F4SE is now dead in the water, and with the SE team pretty much disbanding, Fallout 4 will now never see anything but cosmetic mods

>>389584669
>Paid Mods
>Lets kill the only thing which keeps our games alive

>>389590601
>be so shit at making games communities form around fixing and improving your messes
>decide to charge for all of that, ensuring the masses that all the mods will work great because you, the incompetent buffoons responsible for all of this being necessary, will curate and manage the content.

i keep thinking about this, it's driving me up the goddamn wall

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>>389584669
Late capitalism is a shambling mess that needs to be executed and replaced with socialism if we are to have good vidya again.

>>389591073
Well, paid mods will be the end of Bethesda because everyone who is remotely capable on creating a mod will create some half assed shit and try to get some bucks through it. Noone will put any effort into anything anymore.

>>389591232
Socialism only works when work can be generated endlessly for free. The Internet is a prime example with content creators.

In real life where food and resources are concerned, it does not.

Can someone explain to me what OP's image has to do with paid mods? It seems like most people who played the game enjoyed it and a vocal minority threw a tantrum on the rating of the main game, but that Steam page has nothing to do with paid mods.

>>389591329
so people not putting effort into modding is going to somehow harm bethesda
okay pal
have fun in your little fantasy land of optimism and blind faith in the justice of the world

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>>389591521
The Creation Club update broke the Fallout 4 Script Extender. Countless UI, settlement, armor enhancement and crafting mods now no longer work. And thanks to the CC requiring constant updates to see new content which will keep changing the esm, F4SE is never going to work again.

>>389591338
I'm not sure I follow you. Socialism is merely allowing democratic ownership of the means of production. It does not require post-scarcity. Also, you seem to be implying a capitalist society is "efficient" when that is far from the case.

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>Creation Club fucked F4SE
please dont be true

>>389591521

It was generally positive. The recent reviews are negative. What happened recently to this game? I'll give you a hint; it's something that is being discussed in this thread.

>>389585074
that why you donate directly to them instead of using a middleman you dingus.

>>389591934
It's very true, LoversLab is absolutely fuming since it broke every single porn mod.

>>389591523
>somehow harm bethesda
Todd, please. The only reason why Skyrim is so popular is because of the modding community. Absolutely noone plays any Bethesda game on vanilla. Every Bethesda game requires some "unofficial patch"+script extender with UI mods to be not a mess.
Without a decent modding community, no Bethesda game is enjoyable.

>>389591934
f4se was fucked long before creation club. there are so many engine obfuscations its like pulling teeth and herding cats. the same changes went to skyrim se which is why skse64 will never be done either. modding on the level of 32 bit skyrim/oblivion/fnv/f3 is over.

>>389590584
So Special Edition SKYSE never?

Todd Howard is a manlet chess club nerd

>>389592193
The last update on SKSE64 was December 2016. That should give you a hint on how the project is going.

>>389584919
but tennogen isn't mods, it's cosmetic items in an online-only F2P game
there's a difference between that and mods for a single player game

i like morrowind the most anyway

>>389584669
That it's only a matter of time until they manage to push this through, and they won't stop until it happens.

>>389591967
Wasn't it said that even the most popular mods only got around $100 in donations?

>>389587419
>they'll continue to work after a new patch
old post but nigger there isn't new patches other then the fucking crappy bottom tier mods that broke F4SE

>>389584669
>less than 10% of users gave bad reviews

Like small black ant agaist a wave of tuna in sea.

what happened this time

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>collaborate with valve to try to push the idea of paid mods to increase both your huge revenue sources even more
>set to fail from the start due to the failure to understand the fundamentals of modding; i.e. loving a vidya so much you put effort into improving it as a gift to the community rather than actually using it as a revenue source and turning it into a job
>both companies have an expansive history with modding and should know this by now
>everyone is obviously pissed, scheme falls flat on it's face and both your reputations take a massive hit

>decide it's a good time to try it again without help this time
are they just planning on doing it again and again until it works eventually? once a year maybe?
[spoilers]inb4 console niggers make this a viable plot[/spoilers]

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>>389592230
and don't forget

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We learned that no matter how vocal the community is against it, Beth will still makes loads of money from retards.

>>389595076
Of course they'll keep trying. They have the money and resources to continue to try to fuck you over until they win. Much like the SOPA/PIPA/net neutrality bullshit.

Ive literally never played one bethesda game

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>>389595515
with exception of daggerfall and morrowind (that are very niche games anyway) you are not missing anything amazing

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>>389591965
Where did you pull this metric out of that only recently the change occurred? Also, if the vast majority of players enjoyed it and suddenly there was an influx of bad reviews that you say coincide with business practices you disagree with, that proves nothing other than a vocal minority started leaving poor ratings; it is not indicative of the target audience and the overwhelming majority who for years enjoyed the product.

Let's have a real world example:

>business man has his face in the media for decades
>business man is showered with praise by media
>business man has years of his own reality show
>business man announces bid for presidency under policies contradictory to media
>OH SHIT, WHAT A NAZI, HE'S LITERALLY A HITLER, LITERALLY THE RACISTEST GUY WHO EVER RACISTED! I'M LITERALLY SHAKING!!111!!1!

-wait a minute, where was this overwhelming hatred for the business man for decades when he was being praised by the media? Seems to me like a vocal minority is butthurt and throwing a tantrum. But if the business man were to lose the election, I guess I would be wrong

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There's nothing inherently wrong with providing a way for content creators to make money as a result of their efforts, but Bethesda is absolutely the wrong company to try and do so because holy shit everything about this debacle shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that they're completely, utterly fucking incompetent on every level. If you're going to implement such a platform, you need to first of all make sure it works correctly and at the same time doesn't fuck up the existing modding community or its infrastructure, and also have the PR intuition necessary to know that tying it to yet another fake points that you buy for real money system makes them look bad, as does the terms of using their system, namely that you get a laughably small lump sum up front, and in return they retain all rights to every part of your creation indefinitely and get all the profits from it.

They're continuing to bank on the goodwill of normies and they're too stupid to see that well running dry. People were pissed at E3 that their big reveal was more remakes of shit people already played, but this time with gimmicky control schemes added, more multiplayer content for games with shit multiplayer, and this horseshit. Fallout 4 didn't review all that well in comparison to their last three games, and when TES 6 or whatever half-baked space IP they're supposedly working on flops it will be the beginning of the end for them.

The last Bethesda game I bought was Oblivion and now I feel happy about that

>>389591934
its very true.
it allso fucked skse64.
bethesda actually lent assistance with skse before. they lent a software engineer to skse devs to help them out with different things and tell the about some of the game internals.
when the new skyrim rolled around however they refused to help. at the time the skse devs did not know why they refused the help. but due to the creation club and payed mods we know.
also the update for f4 that introduced the creation club changed the executables. meaning they have to redo the fallout 4 script extender.
it if they repeat this for every update i dont thing the skse devs will continue with updating skse or f4se.

>>389584669
>2% away from Mixed overall reviews
REMINDER THAT YOU CAN REVIEW FALLOUT 4 IF YOU PLAYED IN THE FREE WEEKEND AND DIDN'T BUY IT

>>389596825
reminder that none of this matters because valve is overhauling reviews again because dota2 got bombed. they'll rig it so all of this shit doesn't matter and fallout 4 will end up back to positive.

>>389597004
Wait why did they bomb it? The card game autism?

>>389584669
That /v/ is filled with an innumerable amount of idiots that don't understand that Creation Club isn't paid mods, but micro dlc.

>>389584669
Wow you sure showed them LOL

>>389596078

You asked why the picture was related don't get butthurt when you have it explained to you

>>389597137
That and the fact that HL3 was basically confirmed as nonexistent.

>>389593303

The creator of the sims 4 sex mod makes more than thousand dollars a month in donations

shill somewhere else you faggot

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>>389584669
that we can make loads of money releasing them on a game that is almost two years and that everyone crying about it has already paid for others while other pay us even more for doing absolutely nothing.

Next week we'll learn about how people will assure strangers online how they won't buy Bethesda's next game while crying themselves to sleep thinking about how they already pre ordered the collector's edition that comes with a poster of Todd Howard.

Or are you really retarded enough to think Bethesda is suffering from all this mod money?

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>>389596764
>it allso fucked skse64.

>implying SKSE64 is even a thing yet

The team straight-up said they're nowhere near done and they won't be for a long while because they simply don't have the time to waste on trying to make Bethesda's dogshit coding workable, since they're all in their 30s now and they have actual jobs and rent to pay and shit to do. They threw the source code up and invited the community to find some actual decent programmers amongst themselves and get to work if they want that shit to happen, but the consensus for the most part is that SKSE is in many ways a fucking DOWNGRADE from the original version, and many popular mods have long been abandoned by their creators anyway and probably won't get updated, so nobody wants to bother with it.

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>>389584669
That they're more of an issue than whether or not the actual game is bad.

>>389597548

Gamers are the bottom scum of society. Dictators and politicians can only dream of this amount of loyality. Sure, people complain about Bethesda and rightfully so, but they'll come back and purchase the next Elder Scrolls and Fallout game once they're announced.

The dog always returns to its master.

>>389598012
Or maybe they realise that their individual decision to buy a game has practically no effect on the market, so they may as well buy a game they will like

>>389588679
you do
don't buy the stupid consoles. help contribute to their death by abstaining from owning them

>>389592147
>modding on the level of 32 bit skyrim/oblivion/fnv/f3 is over.
What a way to ensure that people in the future will stay on those games. RIP.

>>389590584
Where can I buy a leopard gecko that'll protect my home from komodo dragons?

>>389598563
Thanks to Japan console exclusives will literally never go away. Not buying a console is excluding yourself from playing hundreds of games not on PC.

>>389585074
get a real job

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>fucked F4SE
>People coming out saying that they get payed in one lump sum of 1-999$ and then Bethesda gets all of the profits made by said mod minus the fees on whatever they are selling them on
>Have to sign over all of the rights to your mod and everything to do with it
>Limited space when allowed to make mods and can't make any complex mods, so the best we will get it skins
There is literally nothing about this that is good and I can't stop laughing at the fact that they thought this was a good idea.

>Take the one thing people buy your games for.
>Ruin it out of greed.
>people no longer trust you and stop buying your terrible games.
Brilliant.

While im just passing by,
how can i fcking mod my pirated Skyrim and/or Skyrim SE.
For Skyrim - SKSE wont run
For Skyrim SE - mods load but cannot load their options screen in game

>>389584669
I'm all for paid mods.. as long as it's the modder himself getting paid and not the devs. this is the problem with these paid mods. valve and bethesda take a big chunk and the modder gets little.

>>389599027
>the one thing people buy your games for.
Nope, try leaving /v/

>>389599107
And expose myself to the normies?
Are you out of your mind?

>>389593303
There are 3 major creators for Civ IV/V/VI, each of who make over 1k a month in donations for their work. Leugi alone made like $1,5k a month at one point. That's pretty damn good, considering I make $1,2k a month working 40 hours a week.

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>tfw people are making fun of Todd for being 5'7" when I'm only 5'4"

>>389592193
There's 1 dude still working on SKSE for Special Edition.

>>389599106
They get a max of $999 and lets say the mod cost like 4 dollars and lets say people like it so 250k people buy and download it, so that would mean there would be a profit of and that would be 1 million dollars that they see not a cent of.

>>389599107
>Extremely repetitive
>Each iteration takes out more and more in favor of shallow "cinematic" tripe.
>Animations are still somehow some of the worst in the AAA industry
Why else would anyone buy these then?

>>389599396
>december 2016

>>389599248
>1.2k a month
>40 hours a week
Do you live in china?

>>389599387
Dude. I'm only 5'6" but it's funny as shit.

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>>389599387
>5'4
Try being 5'1

We learned that they probably make a lot of money and that normies who are 90% of the consumer base do not care about the negative reviews and angry articles.

>>389598990
i mean, it is a good fucking idea. they're probably making a killing on their targeted demographic. you know, PS4 where they couldn't get anything like custom scripts, models, or textures. the extent of modding on PS4 was adding more caps to a vendor. that's it. so yeah, i think they had good reason to think it was a stellar idea.

>>389599518
Arizona. I get paid literally minimum wage ($10/hour) and lose 25% to taxes. Granted, I live in a $600/month apartment, and pay only $200/month for my car, including gas.

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>>389599568
My young female coworker who has a huge crush on me is that height.

>>389599469
Whenever I read a post like this I like to imagine some fat autist trying really hard to convince a normal guy who played skyrim on PS3 2 hours a week that the game is OBJECTIVELY shit

>>389584669
Before clubs:
>be a good modder
>make a patreon
>make good mods
>get 100% money

>be a shit modder
>make a patreon
>make shit mods
>get barely any money

After clubs:
>be a good modder
>make good mods
>get 30% money

>be a shit modder
>make shit mods
>dont get anything

that Todd is going to keep trying to push them and shills are going to keep trying to claim Valve did the same thing. No, Valve did not, Valve HIRED modders and gave them salary and benefits to flesh out the mod into a game. The alpha chad Todd is collecting like 70% of the profit for a mod Betheshita did absolutely nothing for while leaving the beta modder Steve to continue to live jobless, on welfare, in his mom's basement. The funniest thing is these Steves should just get together and make their own shitty indie games now instead of fixing Bethesda's buggy shitty AAA games >for free.

>>389587139
As soon as a mod sneaks into the store the whole store will come crashing down, they're probably going to put those through the wringer a few times, if they're coming at all.

>>389599387
>Todd for being 5'7"

there's no way he's over 5'5." he's as tiny as seth green.

>>389599568
henlo my smol bean :):))

>>389599742
Do you have an actual answer to my question or are you just wasting my very precious time!?
I'm running out of autist snax and I'll have to go get more soon to keep my spherical figure!

>>389599632
>making minimum wage
You have to be 18+ to post here

>>389599709
Anon it sucks looks like a small child and most girls are taller then me.

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>>389599835
He looks 5'6".

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>>389599983
anon...

>>389599983
I understand completely. I live in one of the tallest states in the country (for White people). White women here average like 5'5". I've met 5 that are at least 6'0" in the past month.

That being said, 5'1" is the perfect height for a woman.

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>>389599994
Please post the uncropped version next time, thanks.

>>389599960
I'm going on 21 in a month. There's fuck all else to do out here in Arizona. Our state's biggest employer is fucking Banner Health, followed by Wal-Mart's and Kroger.

>>389600102
My sister is 6 feet, but my ideal is nothing taller than 5 foot. My ex is 4'10 it sucks because my sons probably gonna be a manlet but whatever

>>389584669
Still glad that I didn't buy FO4.

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>THIS GAME'S SO SHITTY I'LL NEVER PLAY IT AGAIN
>average playtime is well over 200 hours
Todd's crying all the way to the bank. Reviews mean jack shit if fags still buy it by the millions.

>>389600207
Join the police, they make starting 50k and up to 60k in a year

>>389600225
If my coworker who is crushing on me gets her way, my children will be manlets, too. I'm just weighing the pros and cons of getting pussy but forever dooming my children.

>>389600078
Just because I look slightly girl doesn't mean I am going to be a trap, I will just find a girl with a /ss/ fetish.

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>>389600327
>Join the police
>In Arizona
Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for nuclear winter, my friend.

>>389600351
If short girls weren't so cute this wouldn't be a problem and I'm 6'2 they love that I Tower over them

>>389600315
>M-MUH ULTRAWIDE MONITOR
Love too read steam reviews

>>389600440
She's not just short, she's also petite. I'm talking 100 pounds. I bench twice that (because I decided that I might as well have SOME redeeming physical quality if I'm stuck with the curse of Todd).

Seriously, though, I just wish Todd wasn't such a monumental fuck up and liar. Remember when Peter Molyneux was the one we all associated with lying and scamming? At least he wasn't a manlet, bringing shame on our dwarven race.

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THAT THEY WORK!

:)

>>389600643
100 pounds is kinda fat, my sister is 120 at 6 foot, my ex is 90.

>>389599602
Good idea in the short run, but really bad idea in the long run.

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>>389600650
>Unregistered HyperCam
What is this, 2006?
>4
WHAT THE FUCK

Yesterday, the overall average was 74%. Now it's 71%.
Slowly but surely.

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>>389600742
>120 lbs
>6 feet tall
Thanks hungry skeleton

>>389600781
please don't bully the russians

>>389600876
They deserve it for not speaking English properly. Every other European - other than the French - learns English. German, Spanish, Swedish, Finnish, Icelandic... they all learn English.

Yet Russkies just bellow SUUKA BLUE YACHT whenever you mess with them, like some sort of mentally deficient ape.

>>389598878
Pretty much this. They don't even know that PC has games in Japan. It's also a country where fax machines, DVD rental and arcades are still a thing

>>389600863
Yeah you can see her ribs but it's a more normal weight you should be able to see a girls ribs

>>389599069
Just pick up Skyrim on a steam sale for $10 and pirate the dlc.

>>389601084
We still have fax machines in Canada, I use them all the time for work, at the postal offices you can go inside them and send faxes

>>389599632
I feel bad for you. In Australia most highschool students pull that much a week working in the summer break. Git gud.

>>389600863
>Male
>5'1
>102lbs
Healthy I guess

>>389601301
Yeah but in Australia a two sixer costs fucking $50 and s pack of ciggies is $20

>>389601301
Everything is also more expensive in Australia. I have $400 left over at the end of the month, enough to buy 1 whole Switch, Skyrim Special Editions, and 10 paid mods, with enough money leftover to buy some Mt. Dew and Doritos.

>>389601252
Really? Fax machines died out 20 years ago everywhere else.

>>389584884
Based poopie-poster

>>389601474
Where I live, in Arizona, the most expensive 32 pack of beer will run you $30, and a pack of Marlboros, after the sin tax, will run you $13.

That being said, a gallon of milk only costs $1.90, a pound of ham only $4, and video games only cost $60 brand new. Australian money is closer to Monopoly Money than Maplebucks are.

>>389601528
I think Canadians hate change, my grocery store just got a self checkout last month (it's the first one I ever saw) I never use it I don't know how, why should I bag my own stuff anyway? But it's always nearly empty nobody bothers with it, they have full time staff there 24 hours to supervise it and help people.

>>389601715
I drink Belgian Ale. Chimay it's about $3 a bottle bit expensive, ciggies are about a $1 a pack for the brand I get they're just no name made by some Indians

>>389601771
>I think Canadians hate change
We're pretty aggressive in adopting change. Especially where tech is concerned. Standards just aren't phased out as fast.

>>389590584
it was updated 2 days after the creation club patch, autist

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>A few of the few things released for the Creation Club have better free versions out on the Nexus
>Some modders have released free mods to fix and improve the goddamn paid content
>Bethesda pays content creators a straight monetary amount for putting their mod up on the Creation Club regardless of how popular it is
>Everything is severely overpriced for what you're getting
>Based on the file format used for Creation Club you'll likely never get anything bigger than cosmetics and basic simple quests

Bravo Bethesda

>>389601962
No we aren't, we still use streetcars when the rest of the world has abandoned them
Fax machines are still used
Corded telephones are still common
Self checkouts are extremely rare
We still dump our sewage and garbage into the lakes and rivers

I wanna pirate fallout 4 but I feel bad because todd seems like a genuinely cool guy.

>>389602083
As I said, we aren't quick to abandon standards.
Streetcars are still used, but they are not the dominant form.
Fax machines are still used, but they are not the preferred method.
Self checkouts aren't that rare, walmart prefers to install more less than 20 items express checkout lanes though.

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>>389602065
>meanwhile, those who knew better

>>389584884
fpbp

>>389602238

Just think about how much of a cocksucker Pete Hines is and it'll help balance everything out for you

>>389602238
Pirate anything else, Fallout 4 ain't worth it.

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So basically, the Club fuck over SKSE, which fuck over a lot of vital game changing mods. And people pretend this isn't a thing and support Club with LOLPOORFAG and shit

Everything about this entire event is so fucking stupid.

>>389602329
That was a good book, with a huge plot.

>>389602663
Actually no.
Bethesda in attempts to cater to the casual market had to implement the creation club in the same format they do for other DLC. This ruins a lot of things that tools like SKSE didn't account for (duh). This isn't some direct attack on SKSE, more like a very lazy implementation to cater to consolefags because executives demand it.

Not everything is a grand conspiracy.

I would be a bit more willing to accept Creation Club if A) it didn't kill script extenders, B) the mods were actually of a professional quality (like quests and new characters with professional VO, that kind of thing) not babby's first skin-tier and C) if you could buy them directly instead of using fucking mobile game-tier jew coins.

>either bethesda gets screwed
>or bethesda supporters

what a win-win

>>389603009
>that tools like SKSE didn't account for (duh).
They know. They know what they're doing.

>>389589873
yeah you're right pcbros have taste

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Yep, gamings dead.

>>389605082
KEK this shit always makes me laugh

>>389601165

lol no

are you insane?

8P5Q2-PANB4-LGF5N
humble gift

>>389605418
>8P5Q2-PANB4-LGF5N

thanks...but thats like...already free for anybody.

>>389605782
Oh I know, for those not up to speed on free deals, plus I already had it.

>>389595076
Remember when Valve hired modders and helped turn their projects into full games and even put some mods on Steam as full, free titles?
I don't think Valve does.

>>389597789
>6 yr old game
>another re-release is on the way

It's like Crapcom with Dragon's Dogma or Street Fighter.

>>389601528
They didn't. They are a major component in many businesses today. I work with freight, for example, and we can't perform military shipments without use of the fax machine.

>>389584669
Is this supposed to teach them a lesson? Lol the only thing this whole experience taught me is that you're all idiots who think they have more power than they really do.

>>389585074
No. The preservation of modding's "passion-first" status is more important.

>>389596040

Redguard is p okay

>>389608213
No it isn't.
If someone wants compensation for their work they should be able to sell their work for profit regardless of what it is. Mods included. This is how jobs are created.

>>389599069
>download skyrim legendary editon
>install and copy over crack
>copy over skse
>done

that aint exactly hard.
i have 4 seperate skyrim installations all from the same iso.

>>389595076

It'll arguably go over worse with consoles due to the much stricter sizes if they're going to continue clogging up hard drive space with worthless shit that you have to pay to access.

>>389608924
>I don't get it but I want to be allowed to have an opinion anyways!! >:(

>>389608924
>This is how jobs are created.
You are so fucking stupid. No this is the opposite of how jobs are created. This is how a big company avoids hiring people in a way that would allow them to do things like negotiate pay. You are delusional if you think a deal that people didn't get to negotiate and were forced to accept is ever fair. If Bethesda thinks these people make work worthy of money they can hire them and sell DLC. I don't support a system of using contract labor where there is negotiating power. That 's not good for modders, that's good for Bethesda.

>>389584669
that they're a neat idea just waiting for the right packaging to sell to all us ungrateful vidya gaming rubes.
Then Todd will be able to slip his shriveled little dongler into our wallets and fuck us a hard as big poppa Gaben has been doing all these years.

>>389584669
They are a delicious and nutritious supply of sodium chloride.

>>389584669
That console cucks will eat them up and they will start appearing on all games from now on

Vidya somehow manages to keep getting worse as time goes on. Anyone got a time machine to the early 2000's?

>>389600994
>bowing down to the globalist anglo
cuckold

>>389585074
no lol, they deseve donations if they say they need money to continue the good work if people like their mods

>>389585074
>>389612346
Setup a patreon or a paypal donation. Even the Nexus allow you to give you money to the modder.

>>389584669
People will complain about them but enough will buy them anyway to make the enterprise profitable.

>>389610660
this but unironically. if this is a way for console cucks to finally get "mods" then i dont see the big deal. people who actually care about pc games dont give a shit about modern bethesda games anyway.

>>389608924
Capitalism dictates that people do not want to pay for modded content. They should want to profit but chances are it won't happen.

>>389585074
fuck off retard
t. modder

>>389601474
Fags are being driven up by targeted taxes, not the best example for cost of living issues.