Well-written games

>>389582059
>is 16 years old

>>389582059
Great thread

Overall I found the writing in Witcher 3 and especially Heart of Stone to be pretty good but if you're not into fantasy stuff it might not do it for you.

>>389583635
I simply cannot bear my way through the beginning. I don't find the artstyle appealing so I'm not that impressed by the first area, and in trying to plow through the story I just got bored by the quests.
Definitely an example of what I was asking for, though. Everything I encountered in the game was well written.

>>389582059
a book

>>389582059
>Any recent video games that actually take the writing seriously?

Metro. Despite being pretty different from the books, the games nail the tone and themes perfectly and Artyom's monologues and diary entries are pretty thoughtful if only occasionally becoming a little heavy handed and pretentious. General dialogue ranges from "pretty good worldbuliding" to "words the horrifying plastic creature spews". The story is also pretty good and well paced, only broken up by a few segments that feel like a forced addition because it's a video game and we need to have this in here because VIDEO GAMES.

>>389583941
Fair enough.
i could give you stories that I liked in recent games but the writing itself is rarely that noteworthy. For example I thought TLG told a really simple, emotional and engaging story, but there's next to no writing in it.

Maybe some of the recent CRPGs? I heard good things about one of the Shadowrun games.

>>389584110
>it's a video game and we need to have this in here because VIDEO GAMES.
I really hate this. I understand the reasoning behind it but why does every video game have to follow video game conventions? If there's a legitimate reason for a section to be a cutscene and non-interactable it could potentially improve the experience, and obviously vice versa.

Also I know the first Metro is good in the writing department but is Last Light any good?

>>389584356
Not the guy you're replying to and I haven't played TLG but I find it hard to believe a story has "next to no writing in it", even if it's incredibly simple from the audience's perspective

>>389582059
>shit stories and terrible dialogue
>life is strange
Yep.

>>389582059

Not Pillars of Eternity, that's for certain.

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>>389584480
I'm playing through Last Light now and the story isn't as good, but it's still really good. Only a little worse than the first and still in my top ten. It starts off a little too quick with Khan walking in and dickslapping you awake to tell you essentially that "HEY, BRO, THIS GAME IS ABOUT REDEEMING YOURSELF.", but beyond that it's a pretty worthy successor and nails the tone and themes of the books. There haven't been any moments where I've gone "VIDEO GAMES" either, so it's a plus in that regard. The monologues at the beginning of each mission and the diary entries are still great, and this one adds some pretty well acted and written supporting characters and a fantastic secondary antagonist...while then adding a Disney villain as the primary antagonist.

>>389584565
Hey thanks, I was actually considering buying that for a good story.

>>389585098
It's greatest crime is being mediocre and tonally inconsistent, especially in regards to these little glimpses you'll have into character backstories. It's serviceable, but the whole package just isn't worth it when you add some bad overworld design, stupid balancing, and formulaic gameplay.

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Night in the Woods.

>>389585064
>while then adding a Disney villain as the primary antagonist.
Good antagonists are rare, especially in vidya. Good writing is even rarer really which makes it a real shame Last Light fucked up on that front.

I find Jap games tend to get characters right very often, but they get characterization right only conceptually because in execution it seems they eschew subtlety for...well, nothing, honestly. It's like the East has a vendetta against not being incredibly blunt about things. Tales of the Abyss is actually an example of a very well-written JRPG that doesn't fall prey to the subtlety issue I mentioned; it may not seem like it at first glance but each character's motivations and actions make sense given their characterization. It also gets quite dark and emotional in its third act and while some concepts it tries to play around with aren't executed quite as well as they could be, the way it twists the all-too-familiar "chosen one spoken of in prophecy" is very interesting.

Ace Attorney: Spirit of Justice. You have to play every other game in the series first though.

>>389585412
TACOS
I'M TRASH

>>389585836
I'm in the middle of the third case right now. The first case was alright and the second case was great but this one is very predictable and Nick is kind of acting like too much of an idiot rookie for someone who's gone through what he has. Does the remaining half of the game make up for it?

>>389582059
If you think either of the Life is Strange games had good writing you need to neck yourself, and never comment on the writing in anything ever again.

The PSP remake of Tactics Ogre has good writing imo

>>389586175
>I am fucking retarded oh god hurfff durrff please rape my face oh god im so stupid

>>389585098
Pillars of Eternity has great writing, compared to Life is Strange its a fucking masterpiece.

>>389585373
Pleb who probably had to turn the game down to easy because he was too retarded for oldschool isometric tactics.

>>389586225
All the Ogre Battle games have good writing
The PSP remake just cleans up the Engrish of the PSX version (the only English version of the original)

The original SNES Ogre Battle game just doesn't have a lot of writing in general

Ogre Battle 64 has a generous amount of text, though. Just not as much as LUCT. LUCT reigns king for story.

The other ones have better gameplay, though

>>389586175
BtS is pretty good, stop following the majority without thinking or trying it out by yourself.

>>389586243
Perfect example of the kind of person who thought Life is Strange had good writing. Thanks for proving my point.

>>389586424
No. It really isn't.

Anyone who thinks the Life is Strange games had good writing: what's your favourite book/movie? Could be good for some laughs.

>>389586075
What do you predict will happen then? The fourth case is the worst in the game asides from the first. The last case, as is usual in Ace Attorney games, is the best.

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>>389582059
>What are some games from 2016-2017 with the best writing?
I honestly can't think of a damn thing. I'm not even trying to contrarian. I honestly haven't played a game with a truly great story since the Legacy of Kain series.

>>389586480
you... you are baiting, right? you aren't really this stupid.
are you?

>>389586424
It's consistently cringy. I can't see anyone with an adult mindset actually finding merit in it.

>>389586567
The Very Hungry Caterpillar

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>>389582059
There's a good video game for you called "Read a Book Nigger"

You're basically walking into a McDonald's establishment and asking for the best 5-star chef prepared gourmet burger. It's not even available at that location and you are a stupid lobotomized faggot for even looking there. Go to a real restaurant if you want gourmet food.

>>389586567
Again, all i'm saying it improved, and looks like you actually didn't play the game, bet you watched adumplaze i-hate-everything-tier and you made up an "opinion".

Bloodborne.

"The Choir stumbled upon an epiphany, very suddenly and quite by accident. Here we stand, feet planted in the earth, but might the cosmos be very near us, only just above our heads?"

>>389587030
>and looks like you actually didn't play the game
Why? Because he doesn't agree with you?

>>389586393
The Ogre Battle games definitely have pretty great writing, especially for Japanese developers.

Best written recent games (though some have shit gameplay, and lots of other problems):
Pillars of Eternity
Dishonored 2
Torment: Numenara
Tyranny
Prey
The Witcher 3
Pyre

>>389586896
This has always been such a retarded argument and it genuinely amazes me people still make it

If you have played a story driven video game and actually read books instead of pretending to, you would know that they are completely different and a book wouldn't be a substitute at all because it's a completely different thing

No one plays a story driven video game expecting a book style narrative, I cannot understand what made you think anyone does.

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Seriously though, the dude is a fucking genius. <3

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>>389587223
>Bloodborne
>well written

I think Dead Rising has more appropriate video game writing and voice acting work than most video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6CGL7TqDMg

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>>389584589

>Neil DeGrasse Tyson is the shit

Dr. Phil is to medicine as Neil deGrasse Tyson is to astronomy.

I'm not even meming you. Writing in video games have been so terrible.

I just played the Longshot mode for Madden 18, and I think the writing in that mode surpasses so many other games I've played this year like Torment: Numenara, Tyranny, PoE, and Andromeda. Imagine that, a fucking American Football game with a story mode.

>>389586303
When comparing to Life is Strange even Fallout 3 is a fucking masterpiece plot-wise.

>>389587581
Then you're an ultra-pleb.

>plays madden

Have you ever read a book outside of a class assignment in your life? Makes me sad that retards like you played Torment/Tyranny/PoE, pearls before swine.

You probably played like an hour of each of them.

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>>389582059
Skyrim SE for Nintendo Switch. when will you be getting your copy, OP?

>>389587989

>thinking tyranny/torment/poe has good writing

I'm convinced you don't read books, period.

>>389586896
Real talk
What is with /v/ and food?

I read A Tale of Two Cities about a decade ago, and reread it in the previous months. Is there any game that comes close in terms of prose?

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>>389582059
Does he get a royalty for being mentioned in a shitty VN?

>>389582059
That game isn't well written though, it's mediocre at best but compared to other video games the writing is a higher quality than usual.

>>389587989
T/T/POE are pretty abysmal. Read more books and not just sanderson trash.

/v/ and book talk is always so funny.

>>389588537
/v/ and game talk is even worse.

>>389588537
what triggered you this time babe

>>389582059
Grim Fandango
Syberia
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

>>389583635
Lol

>>389588516
I feel that I have to defend Sanderson, he writes garbage, but the very best garbage.

>>389589842
Syberia is so strange. Especially the recent one. It's actually unsettling.

>>389586243
How in the fuck can anyone defend Life is Strange's writing? Maybe if you get off to pretending to be a bitchy teen girl you can enjoy the game, but I couldn't stomach 15 minutes of what I saw of some random let's player playing it.

>>389586896
I think this may be bait guys watch out

>>389588516
>>389588253
I read more books before I was 20 than both of you have in your entire life, and I've never read Sanderson.

My favourite book is Blood Meridian, pleb cunts.

What went so wrong in this goddamn board

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>>389589842
Oops, I'm retarded.

>2016-2017

Don't know, my picks for GOTY (Yakuza 0, Person 5, NieR Automata) aren't as well-written as a classic adventure game. I find NieR to be the most unique, but in my opinion Yakuza's soap opera works better and the humor is actually funny too.

>>389590050
The third one is baffling. It shouldn't exist.

Is this an actual quote from the game? Kek

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>>389590490
Being in the starter place in s3 is the shit nightmares are made of. Horror games wish they were this creepy.
And yet I want more.

>>389587451
bait

>>389582059
just play secret world

>>389590254
Every single one who hate the game here either watched half a shitty let's play or didn't play it at all.

Interesting.

>>389587406

what game

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>>389591420
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey

>>389590808
Me on the left.

>>389582059
Are you suggesting LiS has a good story. If that's the case then you can probably play anything at all with a story and you'll be entertained because you obviously have no standards.

>>389591763
all of /v/ on the left

>>389592215
I like to play alot of different games including LiS, where's the problem here

>>389591223
I played it up until episode 4 and I despised it. What I find interesting is that every fan of the game just accuses anyone criticizing it of having not played it, or says they played it knowing they wouldn't like it or whatever other non-argument they can pull out of their ass. I've been shittalking this game since the day it came out and I've seen maybe 3 people put an honest effort into defending it.

>>389592603
You can like it, it's still horribly written, and as far as I'm concerned, a disgustingly bad game. There are reasons why I can see someone liking it, but if you thought the story and writing was genuinely good then I have to assume you have no standards at all.

>>389592871
>I played it up until episode 4 and I despised it.
>I've been shittalking this game since the day it came out
hmmmmmmmm

>>389582059
>pic not related

>>389588270
It's called shit, asshole

>>389592975
Yeah, i shit talked the first episode, but still gave the second one a go because I thought it was a good concept and that it might improve, then that was awful too but it had a good cliffhanger so I gave the third episode a go and that was awful too and I don't know why I even bothered with the fourth episode, but thankfully I came to my senses when I finished it and didn't bother with the fifth.

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>>389582059
make him your president if you love him so much why don't you

>>389586896
>There's a good video game for you called "Read a Book Nigger"

I can't find it...

store.steampowered.com/search/?term=Read+a+Book+Nigger

>>389593505
You're a real comedian, man, I'm having a hearty laugh at that side-splitter of a joke you just threw my way even as I type this.

>>389587284
He's not making the argument that they are the same thing retard. He's saying despite being different things, if you want a quality story go to the other one even if it's not a game like you want. Otherwise quit looking for quality writing in a game because you're not going to find it. He's saying you're shit out of luck and looking for something that doesn't exist.

Undertale
Fuck you I thought it was cute.

>>389593657

Seriously though, is it not on Steam? Please don't tell me it's only on consoles... I'm not going to buy a PS4 just to play a game about reading books. I'd rather just read a real book. I'm surprised you didn't suggest that, by the way. Actual books are pretty fun sometimes.

>>389593889
Undertale is alright, the story is not bad. I find the character writing horrendous, though.

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>>389593930
There you go again, what a guy, my days.

>>389594032
What year is this?

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>>389582059
Don't know about games from 2016-2017, but you got this old gem, with a great mature story.

>>389586303
Not a single one of those things you said is a refutation of my points. You just got offended by what I said and tried to attack my skill at the genera as a whole.

I didn't say it was too easy or too hard either. I only mentioned balance issues. The game was balanced as if it was made for multiplayer, and as a result combat was perpetually stuck just below where you would get a good challenge and was almost always boring as a result. And at no point did the game try to excel beyond what came before it, it wallowed in it's own stagnation.

>>389592871
>non-argument
Of course, you're on /v/
If you want to have a real argument about this game, i suggest /lisg/ but try to build a real discussion not a one liner 'hella wowser SJW dumblr' one.

>>389594008
The story in Undertale doesn't really carry much weight unless you get attached to the characters, it's just a mediocre time with some cool ideas in that case, which was my experience with it unfortunately. Still both it and LiS are both games that rely on you caring about central characters to get the most out of it but at least Undertale has some things to offer if you don't get attached to the characters and it does a much better job of making the characters endearing as well. Now I'm just going out of my way to complain about LiS though.

>>389585412
BG was a very good game.

>>389594103
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

>>389594393
Did you enjoy the third season, anon?

>>389594232
I'm not going to go to a place filled with fans of the game, not only because I feel like I'd just be shitting the place up if I went there just to complain, but also because I should just let go of how much I hated it. I've gone on rants that covered seven posts dissecting every awful little thing about this game and I still just got the same old shit said to me as if I had just said "hella wowser SJW dumblr." I should just move on. Though I will say that while non-arguments are common on /v/, I've never seen as many and so many annoying ones as I have with fans of LiS, so they really drew my attention.

>>389594712
I've been to plenty of /vg/s to discuss the game in a negative manner and they've been fine with it.
Just don't sperg out and start attacking everyone and everything, you should be good to go.

>>389586175
>/v/ told me it's bad because it's bad!
But /v/ thinks the writing is bad because it's not about killing monsters or some shit, therefore, not a game, therefore, it's liberal propaganda, therefore, it's shit.
The quality of the writing has nothing to do with the writer's politics, real or imagined.
>inb4 yes it does

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>>389594507
I did, the effects bothered me a little, I know Lynch always has effects that look sort of bad, but it usually feels like a stylistic choice but the inconsistency of when they're good and bad ruined them for me. The acting was also hammy at times, which was fine in the original run because it was making fun of soap operas, but the moments like that in The Return didn't feel justified so they just came off poorly. It also rubbed me the wrong way how they refused to have sentimental moments with the old cast to a point that's cynical, I'm not saying it had to be just like the old run, and I know that those moments were excluded intentionally, but I also think that one or two more moments like the one with Ed and Norma wouldn't have hurt. I also hated the One Punch Lad vs. Beachball Bob scene, but Superimposed Coop made up for it. It was excellent, all in all.

>>389594983
Maybe I will if I feel like venting.

>>389595209
Why does everyone on /v/ praise the writing of Max Payne if there's no monster killing in that then?

>>389595246
I mean, venting is a pretty bad reason to join any thread.

>>389587680
Let's not go overboard, anon.

>>389595246
I actually really liked One Punch Lad, but I can't really rationalize why that is. I guess I just liked the accent.

I agree on pretty much everything else though. In retrospect, it wasn't really what I was expecting - but I'm not convinced that was a bad thing, at all. Lynch gave us 18 hours of quality content.

Congratulations for not being a /tv/ memer, I guess.

>>389595504
I vent very politely. I just like to get my thoughts out there.

>>389595587
I liked One Punch Lad as a character, I just didn't like his scene with Bob, it felt like it was supposed to be climactic but it looked like something some twelve year olds would make in trying to reenact a fight scene from an anime. In hindsight it may not have meant to be climactic, but I still was very put off when watching it.

>>389591702
>>389591420
I do have to warn you though, if you fall in love with the series, just don't play Chapters.

>>389590490
>>389590808
serious question: is it worth to play the whole series? im kind of luke warm towards point and click adventures but i like puzzles and i really like the aesthetic of the games so...

>>389595838
> In hindsight it may not have meant to be climactic
I think this is the point of the whole third season, actually. I just didn't like the way it was shot.

>>389596106
Yes to the first two. The last one is an experiment.

>>389593326
>I hated it from the very beginning and never at any point enjoyed it but I played it almost to completion anyway
You are so full of shit. You maybe watched a Let's Play, probably just got your opinion from screenshots of /v/.
This isn't even a convincing lie.

>>389596106
And honestly I think TLJ/Dreamfall is a much better point and click especially for those wanting to get into them, but to each their own.

>>389587515
Neil deGrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist not an astronomer you fucking mongoloid.

There is literally a universe of difference.

>>389596331
It is true, like it or not. Even if I hated it, I think it's a great concept and people kept saying the second episode improved a lot and I wanted to like it enough that I believed them. I didn't even need to be convinced to play the third episode because I thought it was finally going to start getting good after that cliffhanger from episode 2. Again, I don't know why I bothered with the fourth episode. If this was a long game maybe your argument would have some weight but each episode is two hours at most, my time's not so precious that I'm not willing to give something with a good concept at least 10 hours before I give up on it, and I only gave up on LiS sooner than that because it was especially bad.

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>>389596493
How is that possible if the two careers exist in the same universe?

Life is Strange is absolute shit. One of the worst, laziest implementations of time travel I have ever seen

>>389596456
different anon, i've been meaning to get into point and click lately.
my computer is kind of trash and it makes it really difficult for me to play games ikn it, to the point that every time i want to do it i have to go through a wole rigamarole of dowloading drivers and actualizing this and that, and re installing or re configurating those or these files .
but the thing is that this has gotten to a point where i almost enjoy figuring out how to install the game more than i enjoy the game it self and my question is: is there any point and click that succesfully recreates this, and i dont mean "go to the dinosaur museum to steal a bone to give to the dog that is guarding the entrance of the building you want to get in" kind of logic but some more similar to the feeling or fucking around with computer files in a point and click format

>>389596456
TLJ is a proper point and click adventure, but Dreamfall is barely even a game, closer to a prototype for the later Telltale formula. The "puzzles" are a joke and the gameplay is laughable to non-existent, you're pretty much just going back and forth and unfolding the story.

Planescape: Torment just got an enhanced edition on steam this year. It's old, but apart from a couple cheesy things it holds up incredibly well (takes a couple hours to get into if it's your first crpg), and the writing is absolutely unparalleled. If you haven't played it yet and are looking for good writing, you have no excuse to not get it.

>>389586303
>oldschool isometric tactic
>PoE

Nigger you've never played any RPG from before 1998, fuck off.

Anyone who sues that font deserves to be shot. I hate it more than comic sans. Why does every indie thing use it?

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The Shadowrun games have really entertaining and creative writing. Just skip Returns and go straight to Dragonfall, if you liked that continue with Hong Kong.

>>389597164
Dreamfall is still exceptionally solid. Telltale with better writing and puzzles, what more could you want? Rhetorical, there's plenty to actually want but out of reach imo.

>>389597119
Hmm. Well I've got some options, check them out and tell me if I'm getting warmer to what you're looking for or if I've gone in the wrong direction.
Her Story is basically just a computer interface in which you play a detective trying to piece together the story. It taps into that same sort of figuring shit out in your way rather than linear point and click progression you sound like you're wanting.
For pure puzzle intensity, I don't think anything can beat Grim Fandango.
Have also heard good things about Else Heart.break()

>>389597615
DUDE DRAGONS LMAO

>>389586634
So you haven't played Planescape Torment, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, Deus Ex or Grim Fandango? Not to say those are better than Legacy of Kain but their stories certainly are up to match.

>>389597932
her story is the closest i can think of, yes, except im not interested in watching hours of recordings
also i guess papers please would be on that ballpark except a lot of that game as far as i understand it is based on your own judgement of whether you want to aprove the person or not, is more a balancing act rather than a problem solving one

>>389590254
>Maybe if you get off to pretending to be a bitchy teen girl
think about where you are, anon

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>>389597615
Try pic related if you're going to play the Shadowrun games.

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The only games with decent story I can think of are actual VNs.

>Phoenix Wright series
>999
>Danganronpa series
>Steins;Gate

Play these if you want to have a decent time getting comfy.

>>389599376
Definitely more of a balancing act.
That bomb game that got popular on twitch for a while sounds more your style but AFAIK there aren't really any puzzles and it's basically just a fun party game.
There are a bunch of "hacker"-based games like TIS-100 and Pony Island. Basically browse around on the steam hacking tag would probably be your best bet.

>>389600089
yes TIS-100 was amazing and pony island sounds new to me so i'll check that out, thanks dude

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I honestly can't think of anything from the past two years. Then again, I generally haven't been playing that many new releases these two years. Most of the games I did play and enjoy over the past two years were good for reasons other than writing (Subnautica, Factorio, Prey, Shadow Warrior 2...)

There was Marble Nest half a year ago, which was really great, but it was only a free proof-of-concept demo thing.
And then there was Pyre, which I am still waiting to play. Bastion is still on my top 20 best written games, so I'm curious if Pyre can compare even loosely.

>>389596456
>And honestly I think TLJ/Dreamfall
The Longest Journey?
Yes.
Dreamfall?
Not so much.
Dreamfall Chapters?
UTTER. FUCKING. GARBAGE.

>>389594209
Yeah, but that is 2005. 12 damn years.

>>389596774
It's easy to shit on any game here by saying i played that game and gave it a chance and it was trash.
The more you spent time on /vg/ the more you will realize this.

>>389600487
Yeah Chapters was a thorough misstep. What don't you like about Dreamfall though?

>>389600629
What are you saying? It's easy to say because it's the truth. Do you just want me to go into detail about what I didn't like?

>>389600835
I think he's stating that it's pretty easy to claim something without any evidence supporting such unless you expand on your thoughts. So yeah those details would be nice.

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Prey came out this year, and to me did its story very well.

A word of caution though, it isn't a walking sim and the story isn't presented to you in cutscene form. Most of it comes through repeated interaction and dialogue with characters, reading emails, listening to audio logs, etc.

After the credits is the true ending, so don't turn off the game once those credits roll. Because I listened to audio logs and explored everywhere, I had a general idea of what the twist was, but it still surprised me in some ways and left me with questions (in a good way)

>>389584480
Last Light feels more like a standard vidya story, it's not bad but there are some things that made me disappointed

The first two Zero Escape games

>>389600798
>What don't you like about Dreamfall though?
I though it was completely vapid and needless exploitation of the IP that failed to capitalize on nearly anything that made the original good, and served as an introduction of fifteen plot-lines we had to wait another decade to be resolved (if they even were resolved) in the most dissapointing imaginable fashion.

At it's absolute best it was a neat call-back to TLJ, at it's worst it was almost insultingly stupid: April turned into angsty emo chick, Crow losing most of his sense of humor, Stark being UTTERLY guttered for really weak reasons other than "we ran out of classic cyberpunk and dystopia movies to reference, the lack of puzzles, the awful combat system...

Arcadia was nice - at times almost as beautiful as the original pre-rendered visuals of TLJ, but almost everything else was worse. I have problems even remembering the characters. The whole thing felt like such a god-damn tease or cheapening of the charm.

TLJ was WAY too obsessive about it's references and pop-culture in-jokes, but it still had it's fairytale-ish charm and most of the characters did not take themselves too seriously most of the time. April was fun. That is what made those few serious scenes, like the revelation of her abuse, so damn strong.

Zoe is dull as fuck in Dreamfall, while April is angsty and Kairan (or whatever the dude's name was) is barely even IN the game. Nothing is over-the-top, very little is charming, nothing feels like a fairytale anymore. The clichés and tropes TLJ used were played with a giggle, while in Dreamfall they are presented more seriously (like the awful Japanese segment) and it feels off.

There were few nice moments. The Arcadia in and it's owners stuck with me as memorable and charming. But most of it was... really not very good.

Not anywhere near as awful as Chapters, though. I did not even get past the second one, to be honest. I was furious by the end of the first one already.

>>389601041
I'll second this, it's rare for a game to hook me in on its backstory and lore but Prey did a good job of doing that.

>>389582059
RE7

>>389601670
>>389601041
I'm genuinely surprised to hear this. I mean: Prey was my favorite game this year too, but it sure as FUCK wasn't for the story. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one - in fact the story, especially the final reveal is by far the most criticized aspect of the game, even more than the poor balance.

I do think that some of the criticism was overblown and not entirely justified (people tend to freak out over this whole It was just a dream twist a little too much there is more to it than just that, sure), but it was not great either.
Most of the story was... meh. I liked the sheer amount of detail put into flashing out the lives of people on the station, it worked well hand-in-hand with the generally AMAZING environmental and level design, but the plot was at best generic and clichéd, and so were most of the characters. I though it was just a few steps above Dishonored, honestly.

>>389600964
Alright, my main problem with it was Max and Chloe, as individuals and their relationship with each other. I had gone into the game thinking it would be a Twin Peaks-esque thing but you have time powers, which sounded great, but really those things are very superficial and shallow elements and the true heart of the story is the relationship between Max and Chloe, which is fine, I would have preferred the former, but I enjoy a good romance story as well and I think having two people who used to be friends and have reunited but changed a bit over time is a good premise for a romance story. It didn't work out though because Max is a pretentious doormat with a bad voice actor, and while I wouldn't call her offensively bad, she's not endearing, she's not charming, she's not interesting, she's just a vehicle to see this world which feels like an afterthought and to make uninteresting comments on her environment. At this point all I could hope for is Chloe being good, but she isn't either. She's an unapologetic cunt, and her only real reasoning is just that her dad died, and if the game did a good job of establishing a strong relationship between her and her father, but instead they just tell it to you and the one time you get to go back and see the two of them interact they just have a normal relationship, nothing to indicate this whole personality change would happen when dad died. A child having their parent die is a tragic thing of course and something that will shake any kid, but I have known people in my life who had parents that died, and in much more visceral fashion than a car crash, and they do not react like this. They're sad, and they always will be, but life goes on. Of course this could be rectified if the player could see that Chloe had a strong relationship with her father, but that doesn't happen. It's okay to have a central character that's an asshole or whatever, but they need to feel human, they need to be complex (I'll continue this)

>>389601670
It's my GOTY. I enjoyed every moment and didn't even mind backtracking, because something was always different even if you'd been to that area before. Never seen anything like the Gloo cannon before in a game, a very unique weapon

>>389582059
>Based Magic Science Nigger!

>>389600835
>>389600964
Exactly. But not here, on the general where you can have actual responses as anon said.

>>389602026
But game narrative and presentation is vastly different than story in novels or movies. People have gotten used to story in games being presented like other mediums, which don't make for great games. Therefore when Arkane games get shat on, it is often because they present their narrative different.

Why does everyone say "it was just a dream" upsets them? The game did this from the get-go showing the apartment is a simulation, and if you investigate enough, characters discuss if we can put typhon neuromods into people, why can't we do the opposite with Typhon?

>>389601493
Rag does really love huge ovar arching plots that never really get settled because he puts way too much on his plate. Still I just didn't experience what you're feeling, which is totally fair not everyone's experiences will be duplicated. I felt the world building, setting, and characters were much more impactful in Dreamfall than in TLJ, actually allowing you to embrace Kian, Zoe, and April in a more efficient manner than even GTA V did with its implementation.
I will never get over that initial scene with Zoe and her father, and then later with Reza about restlessness. Perhaps I just played it at the right time in my life.

>>389602125
I'll just finish talking about Max and Chloe seeing as I've already started, but I already said I would think about going to the general if I feel like complaining, but I don't really feel like that right now. Also, he seemed to be contesting whether or not I actually played it, so I don't see why I wouldn't post it here, it was just to prove him wrong.

>>389602042
They need to have some humanity that makes them more than just an annoying asshole and Chloe doesn't have that. There are cheap attempts to make you care about her, the one where you go to the alternate timeline being one of the most pathetic and emotionally manipulative things I've ever seen in any piece of media, but at her core all she is is a bitch, not a sympathetic bitch or a bitch with a heart of gold, just a bitch. It's made all the worse by the fact that Max, being a doormat, just rolls with it and even encourages it, and this won't change even if you make an active attempt to show disdain for Chloe. Their relationship is bad because it's based entirely on their past together. Max sees something in Chloe because she knew her when she wasn't a turbocunt, but the player doesn't get to see this, so all she was to me was a cunt. There's no real progression of their relationship other than how it turns romantic, but they still treat each other the same regardless, so it fails as a romance on top of it all. Max, Chloe and their relationship, despite all the screentime devoted to it, is just mindnumbingly unengaging.

>>389582059
Obligatory PS:T, KotOR2, Spec ops: The line, the witcher 1-2-3, DA:O, Max Payne
>from 2016-2017
Oh... Well um. Underrail, the Age of Decadence, PoE maybe. Prey is quite amazing at world building, not so much at story/main plot though.
If you're 16 year old weeb, Nier:Automata will blow your mind.

>>389602424
>Therefore when Arkane games get shat on, it is often because they present their narrative different.
Not really, Arkane gets shat on because they generally have some pretty damn awful writing and their characters tend to feel like shit. They aren't doing things particularly differently (there is nothing about Dishonored or Prey that we would not see in a thousand games ever since System Shock 1), they have a problem with writing people that feel like actual people. Voiceacting has always been a major sore-spot for them too, maybe it has something to do with most of them being native french speakers.

As for the twist: a lot of people argue that the "it was all a dream" trope not only because it's over-used and cheap way to create a reveal for reveal's sake (it does not really add anything new to the story), but mainly because it makes the player feel like everything he went through (and in this case even made decisions about) is actually not real, and therefor meaningless. You care for these people, you make decisions, fight to see things through... only to learn that NONE of it has any consequences because none of it happened. And there is SOME merit to this criticism, even though people tend to over-state it (I've seen people bitch about the secret Pathologic ending like this - utterly missing the point). Yes, the game establishes that it deals with illusions and uncertain realities, throw a couple of forshadowings in... but not enough to justify this. In the end it feels like the game has been dishonest with you. "Here is stuff to care about, make meaningful decisions - whoops,
sorry, just a dream." Many people feel like if you really look at what happens between the beggining and end of story, it's literally nothing.
Nothing has really changed, nobody was really saved, etc...

>>389585836
Games as long as the Ace Attorney games are like watching a mini series that really should have been a film. They are way too fucking long to be called well written

>>389604290
Have you ever read a novel before?

>>389582059
Solitaire is the greatest game ever it's writing is better than any game in existence

>>389582059
Picture unrelated?

>>389597119
If the low perfomance of your pc is the problem, just check out the gog.com catalog in general, they specialize in old vidya gems and many of them can run on a toaster
not trying to hold you back from trying adventures but there is no need to limit yourself