What went so horribly, horribly wrong?

They didn't realize that 99% of people don't give a shit about isometric RPGs and there's a reason that they keep having to Kickstarter this shit. Also they won't just make a new FPS Fallout using UE4 or something

>>389544990
>Also they won't just make a new FPS Fallout using UE4 or something
they don't own the IP
what's more obsidian can't code for shit
literally the last meaningful game they made was fallout NV and it was a glorified mod

>>389544990
Nothing? They're good.

>>389545185
>obsidian can't code for shit
Nice meme.

>>389545053
fpbp as always

Pillars of Eternity was really good and Deadfire looks amazing

>>389545568
>obsidrone in denial

off yourself my dude

>>389544990
they not have enough sexy I need more trap and sexy thicc and fap to I can so more boob and more sexy and they is so good and waifu more of that

>>389544990
Nothing. PoE is the best RPG since New Vegas and is Obsidian's best game overall.

>>389545568
>>obsidian can't code for shit
>Nice meme.
How is what he said a meme? Every single one of their games is an unoptimized mess with massive amounts of bugs.

>>389544990
Brain drain.

>>389545756
Actually, whenever Obsidian worked with their own propriety engine called Onyx (Dungeon Siege 3 and South Park) they've made their most polished games.

Tyranny missed a proper ending (according to the reviews at least).
Concluding that people don't like RPG games because their game was received badly is just silly.
Because many people skipped their game while they did play Divinity Original Sin.

Can't keep deadlines for shit.
All competent people left nearly a decade ago.

chris left.

easy kikestarter money

>>389545756
That's QA, which typically is provided by the publisher and not the developer.

There's an article on rps about obsidian, read it.

>>389545848
Tyranny actually had a rather extensive slideshow ending that pretty much detailed every single decision you made. Problem was that the last act was rushed and they went for a "story is just beginning" kind of ending. We know from the art book that two acts were cut, for example. Maybe the upcoming expansion will fix that.

All games suffer the same problem. All are half finished buggy messes. Yet /v/ will still suck its dick all day and night

>>389545650
PoE literally saved their studio from collapse. Their financial position is the best it's been in years.

They do have a UE4 project, btw. And since they have their isometric engine set up with Unity, it's probably a first/third person game, so if you like that kind of shit it's coming too.

>>389545756
DS3 used a custom Obsidian made engine (Onyx) and it was pretty stable and looked good for its time.

The stuff they're doing with visuals for PoE 2 is pure wizardry, too. The lighting effects, the shadows make 2D look 3D.

>>389546027
>PoE literally saved their studio from collapse. Their financial position is the best it's been in years.
Kind of makes you wonder why they kickstart every single game they work on now

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>>389545727
>Shillers of Eternity
>SJW kikestarter funded cuckshit with more WORDS WORDS WORDS than a Bum Tickley strip and literally the worst ''''''''RPG''''''''' mechanics in any game since the iOS tablet based fuckery that was Shadowrun Returns
>better than anything

wew lad fucking kill yourself

>>389546191
They only kickstarted Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. Tyranny and Cain's game weren't kickstarted.

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>>389545185

>literally the last meaningful game they made was fallout NV

Huh, here I thought Stick of truth and tyranny(while short) were quality games.

>>389546191
Less risk for their own company seeing as they get money for literally free.

>>389544990
Very ambitious studio.
Not very talented.

Known for its writing.
Lets all its good writers go.

Does well when another studio does 90% of the heavy lifting.
Stumbles when they carry the full load.

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>>389546228
>SJW
I don't think you know what that word means.

>literally the worst ''''''''RPG''''''''' mechanics in any game
You mean the best RPG mechanics since New Vegas, which was pretty much the best RPG ever made on par with Fallout 2.

>>389545859
This. Obsidian is full of very talented artists and designers, but their best writers left. Specially Avellone and Gonzalez.

Is Pillars of Eternity worth getting? I know Avellone and Sawyer still were a part of its creation and I really like their work.

>>389546228
i wanna fuck franchesca ramsey

>>389547380
>Gonzales
You mean the guy who only wrote anything of note under Sawyer's direct supervision, whose work before New Vegas was Endgame (evil Ruskies vs. US vs. EU RTS) and after New Vegas he wrote Horizon Zero Dawn (evil white man makes evil war AI, good Muslim woman makes peaceful Gaia AI)? Wew, I bet you think Sawyer is a SJW too.

It also disgusts me how you didn't even think to mention Tim fucking Cain.

>>389547543
It's OK. 2 will be better. Don't expect anything close to New Vegas in terms of quests or reactivity, though. Unlike New Vegas though, it's really darn pretty.

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>>389546250
>bukkake & gokkun
>tairyo za-men special

fucken saved

>>389547543
It's nothing earth-shattering, but it's still solid workmanship. Nothing really terribly bad, nothing really oustandingly good.

>>389545185
>they don't own the IP
They can make a new IP, they already have the fans, literally win/win situation for them

>>389547543


Problem with pillars is that people expected baldur's gate 2, instead they got baldur's gate 1 modernized as advertised. It's a good game, I'd say tyranny has a much better story.

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Puppetmaster Todd

>>389547636
>>389547661
>>389547703
How about the role-playing aspect. Is there a lot of freedom to craft my own character or is it another one of those """RPGs""" that give you two dialogue options a conversation.

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THIS

>>389548194
Who the fuck is this?

>>389548219
a new chris avellone

>>389547923
It gives you plenty of dialog options alright, but I can't say if you'll find them satisfying. Their relevance pretty much ends two sentences after you pick them. For example you can have any reputation in the world, but it won't make the slightest of difference in the eyes of your companions who could be your best source of constant feedback. They don't even notice it, as far as they are concerned you are the generic hero protagonist and their personal therapist.

>>389547543
tyranny is better. like >>389547661 said it's solid but nothing more. tyranny is shorter but has that spark of inspiration

>>389548295
>They don't even notice it, as far as they are concerned you are the generic hero protagonist and their personal therapist.
Sounds like every RPG tbqh

>>389544990
Mindless sheep following them, same thing as Bethesda actually.

>>389548470
Nah, there is a little more in BG/2/PST. Not much more, but more. Still, anon asked a question, and it was relevant to the answer.

>>389547636
You seem to get upset by trivial things. The reason Gonzalez quickly came to mind is because coincidentally, I just read an interview with Sawyer a few hours ago where he mentioned him as one of the most important writers in NV along side Avellone and himself.

I won't bother defend those other games, I haven't played them and I'm not interested in them. I'm not even a fan, I just liked some of his work at Obsidian, that's it.

And I don't even know why you assume I think Sawyer is an SJW. What does that have to do with anything? Even if I thought he was (which you have to be pretty fucking dense to think so, I'll give you that), he's still a very very talented designer and one thing does not invalidate the other. I just don't think Sawyer is all that good at writing stories, but he's pretty good with characters and high reactivity.

>>389545756
>Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.

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>>389545185
They have access to Mutant trough Paradox. It's way older than Fallout. Nothing is stopping them from making not-Fallout.

>>389548770
>And I don't even know why you assume I think Sawyer is an SJW.
Because that's the only reason I can see for invalidating his work on writing in New Vegas.
>I just don't think Sawyer is all that good at writing stories, but he's pretty good with characters
That's pretty bizarre, his characters are very much hit and miss (seemingly nobody liked Paladin Vagina), but the way he approaches worldbuilding and the importance he places on player agency (in the latest Deadfire stream IIRC he literally said "if you want to tell your story, write a book") makes him one of the better RPG writers. Gonzales wrote FNV story based on Sawyer's outlines, after all. Sawyer designed all the factions, their goals, their morality, and those are things people will argue to this day. Sawyer pushed for every NPC (except for kids because it was current year) to be killable, which is one of those things that make New Vegas good.

And Tim Cain literally came up with Fallout setting. But I guess Avellone left Obsidian so they don't have a single capable writer anymore.

>>389548770
And if you noticed in the same interview, Sawyer also says that Gonzalez didn't know shit about RPGs and he and Avellone had to basically mentor him and direct him.

>>389547380
>Gozalez

Why does this fluke get shilled so damn much? He's like Lucas where he's only good when he's filtered but when put in charge he's trash.

>>389549193
Okay, this is kind of my bad, for some reason I thought Gonzalez was the lead writer on MotB as well, but I was mistaken, so I was giving him more credit that I should've. Still, he was Lead Creative Designer, so it's not like he was totally clueless in his work.

And I really appreciate Sawyer's approach on writing, but I'm not that interested in it myself. I prefer Avellone's style and I think PoE's story suffered from that in my opinion.

>>389549746
I honestly don't want to wail too much on Gonzales because when given good direction his work was good and impressive. However Obsidian lost much better writers, and kept better ones too.

>I think PoE's story suffered from that in my opinion
PoE story was written by Fenstermaker, and by his own admittance they screwed up the timeline to the point where they went with the first draft. I still think Fenstermaker is a good writer, though. Hope his sorts his family business out and comes back to Obsidian to work there full time (he's freelancing on 2, writing Eder and I think somebody else).

Deadfire looks more like a Sawyer's game than PoE1 writing and plot-wise. You have factions heavily based on real world ideologies and historical factions, reactivity and freedom of movement, and then there's a personal story to tie it together. That sounds good to me. It's not Avellonian deconstruct-everything kind of story with larger than life characters and philosophical concepts, but I don't think even Avellone does that anymore.

>>389550058
>I don't think Avellone does that anymore

He was a writer for nu-Prey

>>389549746
Avellone's content in PoE was some of the worst and more dragged out (Durance and GM).

>>389550058
Eric Fenstermaker and his wife had a baby so he took a break. He's only writing Edér in PoE2. For anyone else interested, for PoE he wrote Edér, Thaos, Zahua and was the narrative designer of the game.

>>389550276
he only wrote like a side quest and email entries for nu-Prey though.
He came in when the game was 3 years into development.

>>389544990
Social Justice.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/06/game-writer-resigns-after-social-justice-warriors-crucify-him-for-conservative-opinions/

>>389550276
Oh right. I didn't play it (yet, it looks like a good game), but the spoilers I've read don't sound like what I associate with classic Chris. Might be wrong, though, I'm also not sure how strongly was he involved.

>>389550342
>Eric Fenstermaker and his wife had a baby so he took a break. He's only writing Edér in PoE2.
Well yeah, that's what I said pretty much.

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>>389546228

>SJW

I played through the whole of PoE twice and never saw a single SJW thing in there. Are you trying to falseflag and pretend to be a /pol/ack or something? I'm seeing a lot of that lately and it's very annoying.

>>389550408
Do we have an idea on what exactly he did write? Quest names or anything?

I'm curious to see what he put in.

>>389544990
The old guard has completely lost any ounce of passion they might have had.
The new guys are a bunch of millennial tumblrinas from California, that had to to google what RPG meant.

>>389550497
I only know he wrote a side quest about some lesbians. Read an interview couple months ago of him talking about it.

>>389546228
And Shadowrun somehow made a gigantic leap in the sequel.

>>389550058
>PoE story was written by Fenstermaker

Well I now nothing how about that. For what you mention, Deadfire might be more interesting. Still haven't played Tyranny though.

>I don't think even Avellone does that anymore

After all the publisher fuckery he had to suffer in Torment and KOTOR2, I think he said he doesn't want the stress of having big role in a game anymore unfortunately.

>>389546389
This.

>>389550412
>Obsidian had/has based anti-SJW developers
Literally /ourguys/

>>389550532

Harsh way to say it, but I kinda agree with the sentiment at least.
They've bled talent and the new blood doesn't seem up to par.

>>389550412
This is pretty fucked up honestly.

Also fucking Sawyer. Friends with the guy and doesn't even come out to defend him or anything.

>>389550771
It was a contract writer they just signed. If he hadn't handed in his resignation Obsidian would have fired him.

>>389550473
One of the backer-reward tombstones was a joke about how the dead guy killed himself after he found out he had been sleeping with a tranny. SJWs threw a fit and the guy ended up changing the tombstone.

remember when he went on a rant about dating mechanics in games
LMAOOOOO

>>389550923
Well of course they would to save face, literally any company would.
The fact that he got a contract in the first place is inspiring

>>389551057
He got a contract because he's friends with Sawyer and Sawyer fucking loves Battle Brothers (guy was a writer on that).
Doubt anyone else at Obsidian knew about his less fashionable views on life.

>>389544990
They thought they could actually strike it big as an independent developer.

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>>389544990

>>389551019
That's just caving to negative press. Is that what we define by social justice now?
I remember the days when the game had to have unironic tranny characters ala DA: I to be considered social justice.

>>389551057
He haven't said anything that's more extreme than the official stance of the current government. Last time I checked the Democrats were not the ones who won the election.

>>389551192
There was no press. Some tranny tweeted Sawyer about it and he immediately apologized saying he was gonna talk to people about it.

>>389551192
>negative press
Get with the SJ times grandpa

>>389551172
idk about you but I think 15 years as an independent studio is a pretty big achievement.

>>389551418
15 years as an independent studio saved by fuckhueg publishers over and over again isn't that impressive

>>389548462

At the same time, Tyranny was very hit-and-miss, and the misses landed deeper wounds than the the hits. So while I would agree it was more inspired, had some pretty neat ideas worth reiterating, as a game it wasn't particularly inspiring.

>>389551284
And if he didn't he'd be plastered as a transphobe on the MSM. So he was saving his company from some bad press, over something that clearly isn't worth the trouble.

>>389551502
>saved by fuckhueg publishers
how so?
everytime they were in the red was because a "fuckhueg publisher" cancelled their project (Alien RPG and Stormlands)

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>>389544990
Political correctness bullshit took over creativity and edgyness.

>>389551610
wew lad

>>389551585
Literally all of their notable games were saved by fuckhueg publishers. Ubisoft, Bethesda, Sega, Paradox.
What a useless studio honestly.

>>389550798
Avellone blamed the managers for his departure. Apparently they're pretty incompetent and for what I've heard of that Chris Parker dude, it doesn't surprise me. I don't know if he also meant Feargus.

>>389551731
In which games?

>>389551774
At this point I know you're trolling
But just in case you aren't
What exactly do you mean "saved"?

Ubisoft didn't do anything for South Park, Bethesda gave them 18 months to make New Vegas, and Paradox didn't do shit for Pillars of Eternity either. LucasArts is known for anticipating the release date of KotOR2 causing a myriad of issues.

>>389551869
Tyranny

>>389551774
Lucasarts ruined what could've been a 15/10 game. Now it's only a 9/10 game.

>>389551869
The last ones, Pillars and Tyranny are not even close to things like New Vegas story and lore wise.
But well, this shit happened with all the known studios lately after the Gamegate shitfest.

>>389551869
Tyranny straight up has two women married to one another with no explanation. Not to mention the incredibly forced scene where the racist disciplined Disfavored commander tells a Scarlet Chorus commander to surrender and warm his bed just so the female commander can act like a badass by telling him off

>>389552179
ideological purge

>>389551896
Don't forget about Sega partially fucking AP's development too and cancelling the Alien game.

>>389552335
AP is still a good game tho.

>>389550835
Sawyer's totally an SJW though, he could have even been the one to ask his 'friend' to resign, or else.

>>389552651
according to the guy, he pretty much handed his resignation to Sawyer the moment he saw shit hitting the fan and walked out the door.

>>389552415
Absolutely, but it could've been much better if the publishers and the producer hadn't interfered so much in the development.

>>389552771
That's what he says, at least.

The sad thing is, this is the textbook example of a situation where your boss can refuse to accept your resignation. Worst case he tells you to take a deep breath, calm down, and a sleep on it for a few nights before the two of you sit down and discuss it again. But Obsidian did nothing to support or defend the guy.

>>389553061
Best case scenario, the guy merely posted that to fake his resignation and calm shit down since no one would know.

>>389552771
>>389553061

We already seen this PR move last time with the backer tranny joke guy

>>389544990
Do they still have capable writers?

>>389553393
Negative.

>>389553326
Like someone else pointed out, they don't necessarily have to agree with it. Like most companies, they usually do stuff like that simply to avoid trouble. It's a bit of a coward move, but considering they partially rely on having a good image (that could affect their hundreds of workers), they don't really have much of a choice.

That tranny thing was a bit of a stupid joke, but it was still a joke and people overreacted. Obsidian's move was understandable, and the replacement text was much better anyway.

>>389553832
> people overreacted.
One guy on twitter. If they ignored him nobody would have heard about that matter.
>and the replacement text was much better anyway.
Denial.

>>389551523
Absolutely. Atleast it does something unique

>>389549193
Tim Cain made Vtm:B and Arcanum. I still don't know why Obsidian doesn't give him total coontrol to make a new game like Arcanum. Pillars is such an uninspired setting

So why is the codex not letting anyone talk about the latest sjw appeasement by obsidian ?

>>389554001
No, no it does not.

>>389554157
It's so generic even when they tried to make Animancy a key element of the world.

>>389554545
Really? I would like to play other games with evil protagonist.Don't say Overlord

>>389554754
>evil protagonist
You were never for one moment this during the entire game.

>>389554850
Let's just say i was on the side of the oppressor.
(yeah even though i was finally against Kyros, i hope they change that in the upcoming dlc)

>>389554754
>>389554850
>when sjw doctrine doesn't allow you to write realistic depictions of people

>>389551182
Shit, now I want to read the juicy drama on the Codex but it's probably on one of their locked subforums.

>>389555062
Yeah. This sucks. The only games that kind of does this is the Rance series. And Skyrim mods i guess

>>389555027
...Graven Ashe?

>>389554157
Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky are working on an unannounced UE4 game. Boyarsky left a cushy job in Blizzard to work on it because he's a passionate dude who wants to work on actual RPGs. How do you not know it?

>>389555234
even if you registered you'd have to wait 1 year to access the subforum the discussion was moved to

>>389556197
Yeah, I know. What a shame.

>>389556243
there's nothing really there
it's just people calling him a cuck and some others understanding his move
and then some pages later they find out the guy who leaked his posts and dox him

>>389547074
is that image supposed to support your point? it just highlights how little shitty content poe even has (especially when you remember that none of those statchecks actually do anything except give you a slightly more autistic way of saying some line)

>>389554754
The entire goddamn Geneforge series.

>>389556318
And who was that?

>>389556975
last time I saw they only released his nickname on the forum, the guy doxing him didn't post details (probably because that's ban worthy) but he did say he had pretty much everything on him.

>>389556318
They found the doxxer? I know they suspected Mynon, but then realized he doesn't have access to the posts that were leaked.

>>389557154
he has multiple accounts

>>389545053
>99% of people don't care about isometric RPGs
>They get funded on Kickstarter whenever Obsidian wants.

Really makes you think...

>>389544990

Can we ever hope for a KOTOR 3 from these guys?

>>389557202
Ah. So a proxy user? Infinitron would have ratted him out in 10 seconds if he could have made a connection between the accounts.

Did Alpha Protocol being a failure pretty much mean that Chris Avellone wouldn't lead another project at Obsidian again, or did he really just get tired.

Some highlights from that thread:
>sser, you made a huge mistake, not just for yourself but for the industry at large. If you back down here, it will never end. They won't stop coming after you, and Obsidian being what it is will come under fire for something else anyway, whether real or manufactured.

>Who will it be the brave, candid soul that will hold fast in front of the barbarous amorphous hordes of the SJW and firmly tell them "Not today, fuckers. Not today".

>Dear Mynon
>I now have a small list of alternate names you've used here, there and elsewhere
>This wasn't even difficult, I was interspersing my little hunt with some HotU
>I will continue finding alts on other sites
>If you ever bring any sort of harm, however minor and regardless of nature, to anyone here or anywhere else I frequent ever again, you're going to have a bad time.

>Am I crystal clear? I will prosecute a war against your ilk and I will make you the first victim of that war. You and others like you had your chances to leave us be. You had your chances to walk away and do something more constructive. You are no longer safe. You will wake up every fucking day wondering how close myself or someone like me is to ruining your life, in a very personal fashion. This is not merely a threat, this is a promise.

RPG Codex is full of faggots straight outta /pol/

>>389558408
When you get a guy fired out of pure spite while pretending to be a part of the community he is from, you deserve everything bad the community can throw at you.

>>389558408
edgy kek

So it was Mynon ?

>>389558408
>psht nothing personel kiddo
Now I remember why forums are even worse than /v/

>>389558210
He quit because they didn't give him creative control. Possibly due to AP and other failures.

>>389558808
>He quit because they didn't give him creative control
That's false, he himself stated he didn't want full creative control.
>AP
AP had a really long and troubled history and Avellone basically saved it.

>>389559068
>he himself stated he didn't want full creative control

Cool source. Except he was always whining about his stuff in PoE getting cut or not allowed full potential.

>>389558408
People in there were unironically saying shit like "Someone needs to pay for this" and "We need to get our revenge"
I hate nu-Codex

>>389558408
link?

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>>389544990
Nothing

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>>389559765
...This is supposed to be ironic right?

>>389559892
Nope. Welcome to RPG Codex. /pol/tards all the way through.

>>389559992
Jesus Fucking Christ, the lack of self-awareness is astonishing.

>>389559482
Because it's totally fine when someone loses his job like this? Should they sit back and cheer or what?

>>389559992
>>389560160
>one retard's post defines the entire forum
jesus you guys are dense

>>389560191
They're calling him a cuck

>sser, you made a huge mistake, not just for yourself but for the industry at large. If you back down here, it will never end. They won't stop coming after you, and Obsidian being what it is will come under fire for something else anyway, whether real or manufactured.

>>389559162
He said in some interview he didn't want to be a Lead Designer in Obsidian. Consider the following - being a Lead Designer is a harrowing process, and considering his opinions about Obs top brass and the fact that a bunch of his works ended up in the gutter when publishers refused to back them, I can understand why.

>>389560330
And the quoted guy is actually someone from /v/. He joined the codex because GG threads got banned here.

>>389560454
>Enviado de meu SM-J500M usando Tapatalk
fucking kek
this guy is hilarious
love him

>>389560503
Thank god moot kicked that faggot out

>>389551019

And then they changed it to make fun of people who overreact to things, so it was even better

>>389560503
most Codex accounts from 2014~2015 are straight from /v/

>>389560335
They are right about that though. If he doesn't back down and Obsidian id forced to take someone's side, they might take his. Small chance, but it could happen. By throwing in the towel so fast he is sabotaging himself as a video game writer, because he won't get employed by anyone who isn't a right-leaning indie. It's normal to be angry at a guy when you see them making a career ending mistake.

>>389545568
>They're good.
Someone didn't play PoE or Tyranny

>>389559765
Well actually he's kind of right in that firing people for their dumb views they express on the internet is quite fucked up, but he just had to be a huge leejun faggot about it.

>>389555449
Oh fuck ! So that was the Obsidian secret project.Is it WoD related?
Damn even Warren Spector is making the next System Shock. The 90s are making a comeback

>>389561219
>Is it WoD related
I hope not. Hope it's a new IP.

>>389561219
>Is it WoD related?
Nope. Not unless they are flat out lying, because they have almost word for word said "It is not WoD related." without any kind of ambiguity or wink wink nudge nudge.

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will deadfire be to poe what bg2 was to baldur's gate?

>>389561219
>Is it WoD related?
We don't know yet. We only know the engine and that Sawyer isn't involved, which makes a lot of people happy, apparently.

>>389549101
>Nothing is stopping them from making not-Fallout.
Aside being bunch of lazy hacks, that is

>>389561319
>>389561365
<Sigh>

Please Let it be a non fantasy setting

>>389561413
Hopefully. But I think they lack the ability to make the world feel alive.

>>389547694
But anon, making an IP means putting effort into it.
And that's one of the few things Obsidian can't do.

>>389561512
it's a post apocalyptic game

>>389561571
Their last two games were based on new IPs.

>>389561415
Oh yeah babyeee!

I hope Tim Cain brings his signature broken balance system. It ends up being waay more fun

>>389561716
Ewww. Mods will fix it, though.

>>389561603
I want to believe you but source??

Despite all the shit that inXile went through wasteland 3 may turn out to be good. I don't want them to cannibalise each other

>>389561716
Now with 100% more colorful squares and triangles!

>>389561715
>Not!Baldur
>Not!Not!Baldur
Yes, soooo much effort...

>>389561804
Come on m8, balance in a Tim Cain game just ain't right

ERIC FENSTERMAKER MAKE OBSIDIAN GREAT AGAIN

>>389561996
>heheh it's a baldur's gate ripoff xD
But Pillar's setting was way better than Baldur's Gate

>>389561996
Tranny especially is very much not like BG.

>>389562010
I guess that's why people play Arcanum and VtMB with patches that unfuck combat nowadays.

>>389562028
Watch him retire after Deadfire.

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>>389561895
I realize now that I might have been mistaken. I could swear there was another post where he hints at it being post-apoc, but I can't find it. Maybe it was a job opening on Obsidian's site for a post apoc UE4 project, dunno.

Anyway, this is all he said about the upcoming game. Not much, so disregard what I said. Doesn't prove it in the least.

>>389562156
I don't think he's gonna retire. He's young, and he's a programmer/scripter turned designer turned writer.

>>389562175
fuuuck i'm getting hyped

>>389562134
Balance patches for those game are reserved for 2nd playthrough though.

No one recommends them on the first try. Except maybe for Arcanum

>>389562079
>M-MUH SOULS
Nope

>>389562381
VtMB arguably needs it more, though.

>>389562418
>M-MUH STEEL
Yeah.

>>389562282
It's a gut feeling. Being a writer is one of the rare jobs you can do full-time while still staying home with a kid, unless the kid has some defect or serious illness that puts a lot of emotional and mental strain on you. And I don't think this is the case. But he wasn't even going to do it part-time until fan demand turned out to be too strong that he agreed to it.

>>389562656
>But he wasn't even going to do it part-time
Got a source for these claims? Because he never excluded future work at Obsidian on a part-time basis.

>>389562535
I think it is solid upto mid game. After that if your character isn't combat focused then you are pretty fucked.

Hey, I know some of you guys are Codexers, can you ask Roguey about the source on that interview/comment/whatever where Avellone says he didn't want to be Lead Writer in Obsidian? It's in xir signature, and I remember reading the actual source, but I can't find it now.

>>389562535
The steel crisis was one aspect of the story, not the core and only goddamn pillar of both the story and the world.

>>389562175
>gender

>>389562746
>put points in guns
>revolver has spread the size of your screen
>can't kill a cop with a headshot
>0 skill fists kill everybody just fine tho
Good RPG.

>>389562919
nice b8 m8

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>>389562656
>

>>389562858
it's a joke that was added like 1 week ago

What happened to that tank game they were also working on? Another dropped project?

>>389562719
He didn't say he would never work with them again in the future, but they only got him on board halfway through the Fig campaign. If his participation was a given they wouldn't have made such a big deal out of it when it happened.

>>389563096
the russian publisher moved development to their in house studio in Russia after the game was released and out and Obsidian had just released the big patch 2.0 which the community was pretty excited about, causing Obsidian to have to lay off ~100 people or some shit.

>>389544990
key people left

>>389563040
Yeah i guessed as much. Glad to see Obsidian still allows this kind of humour

>>389563186
>they wouldn't have made such a big deal out of it when it happened.
of course they would you moron, it's called marketing.

>>389563279
That's RPGCodex forums. >>389563040 this is Obsidian's forums.

>>389563028
That's literally true though. I knew the guns were bad in first act, but I still wanted to see just how bad they were. They are THIS bad. I know they get OP later.

On other hand, just flailing my arms at the guys guarding those explosives worked wonders.

>>389563096
It wasn't an RPG, and I think they don't work on it anymore?

>>389563372
>revolver has spread the size of your screen
Really man??. Yeah they are pretty shit but this is over exaggerating

>>389563345
Not very good marketing when it carries the implication of "we have lost all of our writers worth shit, but we'll be fine somehow, we swear" for a good couple of weeks.

>>389563572
It's called "hyperbole". It's a literary thing.

>>389563640
you're quite the novelist aren't you

>>389562828
It's right there at the site itself. rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=10319

>>389563730
Yeah, I write and publish them right here for you all to read. It's a post-postmodern thing ya know.

>>389563994
Much obliged!

>>389544990

I don't know man. PoE is absolute shit, and a worse RPG than Divinity Original Sin which is also shit. Maybe Todd Howard was right all along. I'm sorry Todd.

Got corrupted by SJWs, started to censor games to appease them, focusing less on story and more about diversity and representation.

>>389564423
>a worse RPG than Divinity Original Sin
(you)

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too many SJW faggots hipsters

>>389564695
>xe doesn't like diversity
Give me your name and where you work so I can get you fired.

>>389564918
Josh is bae

>>389564868
ok.
It is though

>>389559892
What do you mean? That looks like something could have been posted here, from it's tone and language.

>>389565046
well all posts here are just irony right

right?

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>>389564918
Pass the controller bro

>>389565118
I hope not, this is one of the few mainstream websites where people can not be afraid of their own opinions.

>>389565046
By a troll or equally spergy retard, yes. But this fucker does it on a forum with a username out for everyone to see.

>>389550923
Obsidian actually does have a few conservative employees who keep their views to themselves (that is, off social media linked to their real names). Of course they're a minority.

>>389565284
Kermit_going_nuclear.jpg

>>389565171
t. handlet

they had their time, like every studio does. the fact that obsidian was able to make new vegas so late in its life is unusual and not the norm. talent leaves, visions change. it's the same shit that always happens with studios. you can go through the list and find great studios are only responsible for one to three truly great games. black isle/obsidian had a better run than most. poe was shit

>>389565682
>implying PoE2 won't be GOAT with Bobby Null, literally /our guy/, as lead designer

>>389544990

To be honest, New Vegas and KOTOR2 was probably just a huge fluke for them. They've made absolute fuck all since then.

>>389565682
When you actually think about it Obsidian has been kinda shit from the start. Mask of the betrayer is probably their only good game and it's still a mess in most areas.

>>389551731
>creativity and edgyness
Blacked lgbt with Afro hair and 1086+ genders are your new "creativity and edgyness" now. Most of all, you can't say no, otherwise you'll be crucified by SJW.

>>389565682
PoE was pretty good if you ignored backers

>>389544990
Their best games were sequels using engines and assets developed by another studio. They're at their best when they can just sit back and writefag while making some minor upgrades here and there to the gameplay. Of course even when they're given a huge leg up, they can't hit a deadline to save their life. The studio always reeked of mismanagement.

>>389565909
the same people that made those games made fallout 2, baldur's gate and planescape torment. obsidian/black isle is one of the best developers of all time

>>389566328
Yes. AW was supposed to be their bread and butter game, but the missed every deadline and made very little progress with the game after some years, and ended up getting fired.

>>389566328

but their writing in PoE was shit tier bad tho

>>389551869
PoE and Tranny already show some signs. They're gradually going down hill with similar pattern as Biocrap, the difference is Biocrap still can make money for EA.

>>389566575
>the missed every deadline and made very little progress with the game after some years
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

http://www.pcgamer.com/obsidian-is-no-longer-working-on-armored-warfare/

>>389566675
Chris Avellone is the guy who was the best writer in that team, the characters he wrote was good(psychic lady, flame guy) but the rest was shit i agree

Where did that guy go to anyway, he left obsi

>>389566675
The writing in PoE was good, as it was in White March. Eric did a very good job, but they didn't have time to edit the draft.

>>389566328
Good thing they already have the assets and engine from the previous game then.

>>389552203
>Tyranny straight up has two women married to one another with no explanation.
I don't see an issue with this unless it's shoved in your face for no reason. Unless it's made into a spectacle, it's just as what ever as a male/female couple being shown

>>389566956
The first conversation you have with one of the companions, literally when meeting her, is about how evil and incompetent men are and women are superior beings. I'd say that as forced as it gets.

>>389566836
He's a freelancer, he has worked in different games like Prey, Torment and Divinity OS2 doing minor writing. He's currently working on the System Shock Remake, apparently in a more important role.

>>389566575
I don't know where you got that info, but the way I see it, is that they dodged a bullet by leaving it to another studio. That stuff reeked of shovelware that will be dead 2 weeks after release.

>>389552203

>with no explanation

So it was handled correctly instead of blatantly being shoved in your face how gay they are for the sake of good boy points?

What exactly is the problem with that?

>>389567229
Thanks goodness I never buy Tranny.

I only pirated it and play it for 30 minutes, then delete it forever since I never like isometric RPG with textwall.

>>389567229
Well yes than that would be an issue. I was saying that just having two women being married isn't really a problem as long as it's as relevant as a male/female couple would be. If they take a couple in the game and call the wife Steve and switch the model for a male one, I don't mind. They aren't acting like it's something special and unique

>>389566813
I played the game from Early Access until they were let go. Every single patch was delayed, missing content, bugged, you name it. I realise every company has their die-hard fans, but there has to be a limit even with Obsidian.

MyCom did not make them introduce bugs delay every update. Obsidian introduced shot delay and it took over a year to get rid of it.

>>389567754
They can just...you know.....not put it in there at all in the first place. I can enjoy my games just fine without any of those shits.

>>389568165
>....
>....
Coming off as a bit of a faggot your self
If just having it is enough to bother you, I think that's your fault. People generally are offended when it's used as a spectacle or as an excuse for making a character interesting. Arcade Gannon for example is a dick sucking faggot, but that isn't his character. He's an interesting character who happens to be gay and it doesn't come up unless you go out of your way. If that's a problem with you, I think you just hate gay people.

To clarify again
>Making what would normally be a male/female couple a gay couple a-ok
>Adding a gay couple just to make a point about gay people/having a character who is just their sexuality not ok

>>389544990
Gaming has evolved since the 90s.
They haven't.

>>389567754
Don't you think you'd raise a huge fucking eyebrow at a woman being married to another woman in a setting similar to a time when gays were usually tortured and ostracized by society? There was no reason for them to be married. It was a simple rescue the princess kind of thing and would've worked just as well if it was a guy married to the damsel. At least that way you aren't left wondering just what kind of social norms the world of Tyranny as considering that's the first and only time you meet a Lesbian couple

>>389569009
You need to get it into your idiot head that fantasy games are not set in medieval times but in a different universe.

>>389569009
>a time when gays were usually tortured and ostracized by society
really?
because greeks and romans fucked each other in orgies all the time. they fucked young boys too. they were total degenerates.

>>389568665
you're such a retard, kid. the problem is they have evolved. poe is casual shit. the problem with obsidian is they strayed away from their roots and don't make great rpgs anymore

>>389569160
Forgive me if that universe doesn't make much sense and leaves way more fucking questions onto how it function than answers, dipshit.

>>389569204
nice propaganda. no matter how hard you try pushing this shit it will never be true

>>389569204
That time period included way fucking more historic societies than just the Greeks and Romans.

>>389569320
I'm not a leftie you retard, but you should have paid more attention in history class. There's depictions in greek and roman art of these sexual events.

>>389569231
The majority of fantasy/futuristic worlds are just "the present day, except in the past/future" and the sooner you accept this the better. Writing a story that's true to the values of the past, or that makes an attempt at predicting the values of the future is beyond the skill level of most writers.

>>389569538
Well shit, you can't blame me for expecting more out of a company that's touted by its dick riders as having good worldbuilding and writing.

>>389567412
It was promising when it started. The whole idea was that is was a clone of World of Tanks but would improve on some of the more frustrating parts of that game. In that sense, they delivered. A lot of what makes WoT so fucking bad and painful was removed. Unfortunately, this came at a price; Obsidian's ineptitude in making a game of this kind, and before they were shown the door, the game was buggy, unoptimized, and barely updated.

>>389569739
Obsidian has never built any worlds of their own until Pillars of Eternity.

>>389569851
Yup, but some people like to think fanfiction counts.

>>389568165
>>389568492
To be clear, I think your example is warranted, but if it's just a couple that would otherwise be straight, it's not an sjw issue. It's just regular couple shit >>389569231
>it doesn't make sense because I hate faggots in the real world
>calling others dipshits
Unless they ever set the precedent that gay people were persecuted it's only an issue 4 u

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>>389569009
>At least that way you aren't left wondering just what kind of social norms the world of Tyranny has

Actually, you are, that's part of the point. If they treat in-game homosexual relationships in a completely normal way, that's directly informing you that's how society works in that universe and it isn't a big deal. It's really that simple. The fact it doesn't work exactly like medieval society is one of the elements that can make a fantasy setting feel more interesting and unique.

>>389570248
Dude, I am a faggot in the real world. It may blow your mind hearing this but I utterly despite shoehorned token appearances.

>>389569538
More like beyond their comprehension, is someone who doesn't think like them who isn't also wrong.

>>389570543
It's a one-off appearance in some random side-quest. Hardly much of a view on the world's society but I understand where you're coming from.

>>389570543
>fantasy is now an excuse to shoehorn gays and not use your imagination
kill me now

1. They didn't put Josh Sawyer on a leash. Sawyer is good only for one thing: getting shit done. For actually coming up with the shit that needs to be done, you need virtually anybody else but especially Chris Avellone, which leads us to

2. They didn't keep Chris Avellone from abandoning them. Literally the only MVP of Obsidian.

>>389570897
What does imagination have to do with anything? Imagination for inventing new sexual orientations? That's Tumblr's job.

When creating any type of setting, you always take it from reality (any year) and twist it enough until it feels right. You don't create things from nowhere.

Also see >>389570789
It hardly seems like a proper example of shoehorned politics.

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>>389571646
>What does imagination have to do with anything?
I guess nothing really.

>>389557346
it gets funded by the 1%, who then already have a copy of the game
Kickstarter projects are zero sum endeavors where the game gets made explicitly for the people who funded it

>>389570605
>I am a faggot
good for you
>It may blow your mind hearing this but I utterly despite shoehorned token appearances.
I said those were bad you fucking retarded troglodyte. My point which I made clear several times over is that I don't agree on what YOU feel is shoehorned.

I was playing Dishonored earlier today and some couple was huddled in a sewer dying of plague and talking about how they'll spend their last moments together. I personally don't really give a shit about that sort of stuff in video games but I see what they were going for by including that and regardless of whether I think it's bad writing or not, it has nothing to do with SJWs. If that event had been two dudes but otherwise the same, it's still not SJW shit. It's just a relationship meant to invoke emotion.

My point to you is that simply having gay couples is not in of itself SJW. You can call it bad writing but to compare it to shit like adding a tranny character just for the character to cry about being ostracized is to reduce just how bad the latter example is.

Just having gay characters is not shoehorning. Having gay characters that exist for the sole point of being gay is. If a relationship exists in the game and they happen to be gay, that is not an issue because they would be in the game regardless but as a straight couple.

Like I said in my earlier post, I think your example is warranted if >>389567229
is correct. If they are just a gay couple, it's who cares.

>>389572386
To further simplify my point since >>389570605
clearly indicates you have no fucking idea what my point is even though I have bashed it over your head long before you made >>389570605

If a game has two characters in a relationship like my earlier example, you're meant to get something out of their love for each other.

If a game has shoehorned gay characters, you're supposed to get something out of them being gay

If a game has two characters in a relationship that happen to be gay, it does not mean that you're supposed to get something out of them being gay, just that they are two people in a relationship like the first example.

My point is that you're equating the third example with the second example. Not every gay character is shoehorned or made to be super special snowflake. You can have two characters that are written to be gay, but all you are meant to get out of them is what you are meant to get out of a straight relationship. Not all of them are written to be LOOK I'M GAY I'M SO GAY ISN'T IT COOL HOW OPENLY GAY I AM.

When you posted
>Tyranny straight up has two women married to one another with no explanation.
my point was that, without any context, that sounds like the third scenario which is just your average video game couple (which, as I said, I'm still not a fan of, but I don't associate with SJW)

if
>>389567229
is true. I agree it's garbage sjw nonsense but
>>389568165
all this shit about being triggered just by seeing gay couples in a video game comes off as a persecution complex. Not everything is SJW. You can have someone simply decide to call a wife Steve instead of Sharon without it being shoehorning

>>389573089
This>>389568165 isn't >>389570605 who is me.

>>389573616
The point remains that following that reply chain clearly indicates that >>389570605 has nothing to do with anything that came before that.

>>389573876
Whatever, this isn't going anywhere.

can you guys format your posts better and stop quoting so much im trying to read your argument and its a fucking shambles

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>>389573960
>tch what ever
>*sighs* this is meaningless
I think you meant to say "I don't have a retort"

>>389572327
how is that a bad thing? It means the devs are only working on games they really give a shit about.

>>389546228
>sjw
>kikestarter
>cuckshit
>''''''''RPG'''''''''
>wew lad fucking kill yourself
you're almost fullfilled your buzzwords quota