CHOOSE

The only thing that really changes is the location of your house (Solitude/Winterhold).
All the replacement jarls give you the same "infinite" quests.

Stormcloacks

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I just wish the civil war didn't happen to begin with. So much human blood being spilled when elven blood should be filling our fountains.

>>389532451
Stormcucks are cancer.

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Imperials

>>389532451
yes man

>>389532451
This would probbly be harder choice if Stormcloacks weren't being led by kingslayer and elves didn't want to destroy the world

>>389532451
I Fucking despised this quest line. I dot wanna fucking tear Skyrim either for the fucking liberals or the conservatives. I just wanna unite them all against the fucking elf nazi's. Can I do that instead?

>Finally decided to try Imperial side
>The way they treated Ulfric at the very end made my blood boil

>>389532619
Pretty sure you can get both houses if you become thane of these cities anyway, so doesn't really make much difference.

>>389532451
The Empire currently is little more than an alliance between Cyrodil and High Rock.

Of the AD ,the Empire , and the non Empire provinces the Empire is the weakest of the three.

Skyrim joining a mannish alliance (Hammerfell, High Rock, and Skyrim) is the best chance for the mannish races.

If Cyrodil ever gets its shit together they can join on a probationary basis.

>>389537515
You can get them to form a temporary truce

Both are being manipulated by the Thalmor. Once again CHIM is the superior option.

>>389538242
They're not even the best homes anyway. Breezehome is the most convenient given its size and proximity to a smith

>>389539350
>Manipulated by the Thalmor

The Thalmor want the fight to continue, not for one side to win. The Stormcloaks are the obvious option anyway, the Nords are self sufficient and the empire is in shambles anyway, maintaining an illusion has taken more resources than it should as the emperor who signed the treaty practically destroyed his entire military in the process and still gave the Thalmor what they wanted anyway. Fuck the empire

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>>389532451
The only choice is death to both of them, and the thalmor.

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>>389532451
I choose my kin.

>>389538160
Vid?

>finally decide to finish Skyrim
>defeat Alduin
>quests just kinda end after that
What the fuck, how fucking anti climactic

>>389538160
Funny thing is, when you side with Stormcloaks, Ulfric let's Elisif live and stay as the Jarl of Solitude.

What do the elves have against Talos anyway?

>>389539950
they're insanely butthurt that a human can become a god and they can't

>>389539947
He even doesn't declare himself High King and waits for MOOT

>>389532451
Oh look.
The very one quest chain that managed to be worse than the main questline.

>>389539950
Human ubermench can become a god but they cant

>Side with the Empire
>Make Ulfric a dead thrall and take him back to my house
>Kill him over and over again for being a dumb faggot

The only way to play

>>389532451
FOR THE HORDE!!1!

>>389532451
Imperials. Fuck stormcloak nazis

>>389540127
t.elf

>>389532451
if i play a Nord -> Stormcloaks
if i play an Imperial -> Empire

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>>389539270
Morrowind is the weakest province as of Skyrim's events. They got half their land stolen by argonians and the other half blown up by a volcano.

>>389540213
Is Morrowind the JUST province of Tamriel?

Skyrim belongs to the Nords.

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>>389540251
They're probably still doing better than the orc province.

>>389540408
>Orc provinces
Isnt it just strongholds that whine alot and a city state that gets sacked constantly?

>>389540191
Does anyone ever play as imperial? If you're going to roll a human, you either go nord for warrior and height bonuses or breton for magic resistance and mana bonuses.

>>389540408
The orcs don't even have a province, they have some shitty mountains and they're lucky the Bretons haven't genocided them out of existence yet.

>Imperials want to chop your head because no fucking reason
>Stormcloacks are nazis.
>muh skyrim is for the nords
>It doesn't change a thing what you do
>You acomplish nothing on that quest line.
>I want to be the fucking emperor of skyrim.

That quest is fucking garbage and bugs half the fucking game.

>>389532451
why would you support a decadent, crumbling empire, far past its peak, doomed to die the moment the Septim dragonborn bloodline ended?

>>389540625
>any slight bit of nationalism makes you a nazi
the Thalmor are the Nazis in TES

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>>389540512
They can't organise their shit like the dunmer can. Too dumb. On that note, I'm surprised the khajiit have an organised homeland at all. They're all a bunch of stupid thieving cats that are addicted to skooma. No wonder the thalmor were able to fool them into joining the AD so easily.

>>389540625
>emperor of Skyrim
What did he mean by this

>>389540948
He sounds like he's some kid who wants to be emperor.

>>389540625
yeah taking back my race's land is so evil when the Thalmor is banning the worship of my god and kills anyone they see pray to him and empire supporting it plus the thlamor wanting to kill all humans and the empire sucking their cocks

>>389540995
Of Skyrim.
To be fair it is the only Province worth being Emperor of.

>>389532451
Imperials

I even held a debate in one of my classes about this in school once

>>389532680
>stormnigger
cant spell, no surprise there

>>389541261
Did you cry when everyone laughed at you for being that simple minded?

>>389541728
Nah, I got a pretty good grade from playing games and doing a shitty powerpoint 5 minutes before it

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>finally decide to play ESO
>That fucking ebonheart pact

It makes no sense reeee

>>389540625
> stormcloaks are nazis
>not the Thalmor

>>389541882
I could see the Nords working with the Hist lickers.
I could even see the Nords working with the dungmer.

I have no idea why the Hist lickers would work with the dungmer.
At least they were smart enough to put the Nords in charge of it.

>>389540127
t.faggot

I bet you have a refugees welcome shrt

>>389532451
>Human empire preparing for elf war 2.0
>Rebels fighting against an issue that their own leader caused, and turning on your own people
Storncloaks are retarded

Look here you thalmor loving fucks, thalmors are the worst race in Tamriel, you can't tell anyone that they aren't the most supreme nazis, purging people of a certain religion and making it illegal, they are elf nazis, and as we all know, all elves are fucking disgusting subhuman creatures that think they are hot shit, fuck em

Still, why would the Stormcloaks target fellow nords, instead of just targeting the thalmor dirty subhuman fucks, and if you say "so they can unite Skyrim and attack with both forces at once destroying the pest that is elves" then fuck you, there is a civil war going on and both sides will be weak after it, it would take mobilizing civilians against trained soldiers, and Skyrim doesn't have the luxury of millions of angry peasants

So, I say again, their best shot at actually winning over thalmors are
1. be loyal to imperials and try to convince them to attack thalmor niggers
2. rebel just as now, but mobilize everyone and target the elves only, not going through and creating a divide between their race

I never finished that questline with any character.

>>389540035
who?

>>389542497
We are totally going to fight the AD.. well after we deal with the Stormcloaks for them that is.
The AD are busy raising an army and don't have the manpower to spare so we will pick up the slack for them.
We signed the WGC so we are legally bound.

What can you do?
Rules are rules.

Alliance

>>389542751
>We
Ain't no RPer, but as someone that loves TES lore and military shit it's astoundingly obvious that if you want humans to beat elves in another war, you'd pick the empire over ignorant separatists

It would be hilarious if near the Switch port, this becomes a splatfest thing.

>>389542707
Some dude who made Reddit

>>389539950
They want to kill all humans but as long as Talos is protecting them they can't do it.They try to remove Talos worshipper because gods recieve their power from their worshipper

>Implying banning religions is a bad thing

Imperials
So you help Stormcloaks win, so what happens after that? A devided nation and ready to get fucked by an elven rape club.
All Imperials say is if you want to worship Talos, just do it at home and not in public, while we try to get stronger.

>>389543574
it's a bad thing if the gods are real

>>389543626
>Talos
>"god"

>>389543683
shut up, elf

>>389540543
I always go imperial on my first playthrough of an Elder Scrolls game because it would be my race if I was in the Elder Scrolls.

>>389543615
All the worship fuss is skyrim was also directly caused by Ulfric because he's a butthurt faggot who can't look at the big picture

>>389543839
that or he wants to be the king and uses it as an "excuse"

if you play the game you'll realize most stormcloaks are retards, like the Greymane/Battleborn feud, and what's funny is that the stormcloak Greymane is also a massive fag (he throws out everyone who sides with the enemy whereas if Balgruuf remains he keeps those Stormcloak supporters around)

>>389532451
For the hoarde

The question becomes which one you dislike the least
>A 4/10 militarists party regain control of skyrim
>A faggot became the king of skyrim

>>389532451
most nice characters are stormcloaks and most dicks are imperials
yet the Imperials fight for the right thing

Stormcloaks all the way.

Every time I'm on a road near a city or about to enter one, I see violent Redguards and degenerate Kajiit fighting or selling drugs. Then there are those disgusting boy lovers, the Bosmer and their coon cousins the Dunmer, they can both hang from the trees they worship. Just yesterday, I read about an "art" professor named Elizabeth (((Stephens))) from UC Santa Cruz who claims to be "ecosexual." She has sex with trees and dirt, and teaches her students to do the same. I'll give you one guess what slimy degenerate pointy eared trash race she is.

The day of the rope can't come soon enough, I want every tree in Skyrim decorated with Redguard, Kajiit, Elf, and Imperial trash while our children dance and exchange gifts and pastries in the shade.

>>389544269
>most nice characters are stormcloaks

lmao

>>389544269
>imperials fight for the right thing

I'm going to need some details here.

>>389532451
bear>dragons/wyverns

>>389544371
t. redguard

>>389532451
Stormcloak is the /pol/ tier answer. It's when you are xenophobic to the point of shooting yourself in the foot and preferring to see your world burn than share it with cat people.

>>389544564
Let's list all the things (((cat people))) do for Skyrim:

>bring in drugs
>bring in crime
>evade taxes with black market
>expects me to pay for their kids' education when they refuse to chip in with taxes
>poison our children
>commit 30% of the stabbings in skyrim despite being 1% of the population
>refuse to learn our customs
>refuse to speak our language right

Don't worry, when we're done with the Kajiit, we'll make sure you cat-lovers share the same grave in a giant litter box.

>>389544046
Either way, the Thalmor having cause to come into skyrim can also be laid at his feet

Which side lets me fuck Argonian girls?

>>389544829
The thalmor being kicked out of Skyrim is also at Ulfric's feet if he wins the civil war. Nobody thinks he has much of a chance, but if he succeeds, he defies all expectations. His victory also relies so much on luck that it looks like an act of divine intervention.

>>389539947
Yeah as a political choice mostly, killing her, hell even throwing her out and basically exiling her to Imperial territory will upset whatever loyalists she has which would potentially severely bite him in the ass. That said I doubt he'd of killed her either way but it was a tactical maneuver as much if not more than it was 'muh honor'

>>389539950
Because he's potentially a tower, and they need those gone to undo the world so they can become Ehlnofey or some shit again, a race of Et'Ada who didn't abandon Mundus like the Adera did after creation, the hist are also this as well. That said he's also protecting Man who'd try to stop them anyways, even with him gone though other gods have shown that they help man when they're down as well, even against the elves, look at the Alessian Rebellion she got not one, but two fucking Demigods sent to her for instance.

Basically thalmor plot boils down to massive We Wuzzery.

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As long as the civil war ends we can put a stop to the Thalmor Terror, although I prefer the Empire myself.
Also important is that Nazeem dies during the siege at Whiterun.

>>389544827
I didn't say I like cats. I said I'd rather share the world with them than let it burn you dumb /pol/tard.

>>389543574
THIS THIS THIS

FUCK religoin..

>>389545554
Both? The context would be different though.

>>389546765
Pretty sure the stormcloaks wouldn't look favorably upon fucking argonians.

>>389547096
Pretty sure nobody except Hlaalucucks do.

>>389543026
The Empire?
You mean the Cyrodil/High Rock alliance?
You are a fan of military history you say?
I am guessing it is French military history.

>>389546618
Fuck off dwemer.
Being atheists in a world with actual gods.
How'd that work out for you.

Try to become the skin of num num but the math was wrong and end up stuck in the constructs they made for eternity.
Karma is a bitch.

>>389545773
Stormcloaks winning is entirely dependant on the player since before that the empire was raping his ass and was about to have his traitor head mourned on a pike (much to the Thalmor objections, preferring their little civil war causing traitor stay alive and damage united humanity)
Ulfric is the whole reason they are even there too, ie markarth incident

>>389547331
French military history is pretty interesting up until after the Napoleonic Wars.

>>389547659
>Ulfric is the whole reason they are even there
No, the """emperor""" is, ie White Gold Concordat

>>389547331
The french have one of the most storied military histories on earth you fag
And yes, that empire, the one that has had multiple different forms and refoundings, the one from cyrodiil
Are you autistic or something?

>>389547775
>being so clueless about the whole setup

>>389547775
No retard, the treaty gave them the right, Ulfric is the sole reason they are there

>>389532451

Neither. I'm done with TES.

>>389547995
Nah, the emperor is.

>>389548078
>>389547972

>>389548167
see
>>389547972

>>389548078
>No Thalmor in skyrim
>People continue worship of Talos
>Ulfric causes markarth incident so he can be able to do what he already does, but at the same time make the empire open treaty breakers
>Thalmor arrive to quell Talos worship, which is now open and undeniable rather than just obviously happening

In my one playthrough of Skyrim years ago I sided with the Empire but I cannot remember the outcome, nor do I know the outcome if you side with Stormcloaks, so can anyone provide a TL:DR of both endings?

>>389548297
Shows you where imperial loyalties truly lie, huh.

>>389547723
The Empire had a similar path.
Right up until Martin sacrificed himself they had a storied history.

And just like the French shortly after their highpoint they turned into surrender monkeys.

The Empire isn't dying it is dead.

>>389542552
Always kill a traitor before an enemy

>>389548512
Yeah, with united humanity you reactionary faggot

>>389548509

One side wins. Alduin is dead. The first Dragonborn is dead and the Last Dragonborn is Hermeus Mora's bitchboy.

Vampires take over the world. Or not.

Anything else is up in the air.

>>389545956
>he'd of

>>389548509
>Imperial ending
>skyrim gets subjugated back into being a puppet province of an impotent, puppet empire

>Stormcock ending
>Skyrim is free, poised to take the war to the elves and their lackeys in Cyrodiil

>>389548592
laughworthy delusions

>>389532451
Stormcloak
-self reliant
-can beat empire
-beats thalmor several times
-already guerrilla warfare
-true to culture
Empire
-betrayed culture
-already cucked paying tribute
-already beat and wasting more resources
-no loyal peoples or lands to lean on
Hammerfell resisted both successfully and theyre not as tough as nords and even further from Thalmor strong points. Stormcloaks are by far better.

>>389548695
>tfw Navarine is still the only hero not under the mercy of the daedra

>>389548782
>who is Azura

>>389548549
You lack of lore knowledge is apparent considering many septims were complete dogshit emperor's
Funnily enough Mede is closer to the actions of Tiber than most recent septims

>>389548702
(You)

>>389548835
Emperor's what?

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>>389548748

>>389543809
Same here.

>>389548592
How does abandoning Hammerfell and attacking Skyrim help with uniting the mannish races anon?
Why have they not fucked over High Rock yet to complete your grand reunification plan?

If you abandon logic and reason supporting the Empire makes perfect sense.

>>389548730
What are you trying to say, united humans is laughable in TES, because if so you're on again showing your lack of TES knowledge

>>389548834
>He didn't take the back path

I chose the Imperials solely because Ulfric is a huge douchebag

fite me nerds

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Fucking fools. NORDS FIGHTING IMPERIALS IS WHAT 'THEY' WANT

>Imperials have just recaptured the IC
>Fresh soldiers from Skyrim have come south
>Men are still fighting in Hammerfell along with an entire population of angry Redguards
>High Rock has contributed nothing yet and is completely undamaged
>Imperials have decimated the Aldmeri armies and only have the Altmer navy and Bosmer and Khajiit land forces left, who will stay in their territories
They could have gone on to retake Hammerfell.
They could have pushed for peace with absolutely no terms whatsoever.
Instead they go full fucking retard and basically unconditionally surrender, accepting the White Gold Concordat - Dominion gets to stay in Hammerfell, Thalmor get embassies wherever they want, Talos worship is banned and the elven gestapo get free reign throughout any Imperial province. The elves got more freebies than they demanded in the ultimatum that led to the war.
Imperials took a legal challenge and made it a war that has killed half of Skyrim because of their fear and greed, 100% knowing that the Dominion will invade again and knowing that they will need Nord soldiers to help repel them.
It was an absolute strategic disaster to even attempt to put down the Stormcloak rebellion. Skyrim should've been granted independence immediately.
The Empire is in fact weaker now than it was immediately prior to the Great War and dismantling it ASAP is the only chance Men have for survival.

>>389548835
The legions and navy under the Septims were always strong.

You are correct there have been Emperors as shitty as Meade before.

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>>389549034

+1

True Nords go with Elisif.

>>389548748
>Stormcloak
>following a literal murderer

cuck

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>choosing a side
>not just running around like a madman killing every elf you see until they decapitate you
politics are fucking stupid

>>389548983
>How does abandoning Hammerfell
With a huge force of veteran legionares from the armies that continued fighting alongside Hammerfell
Also a nitpick but they're not even a connected Nedic people

>attacking Skyrim
Suppressing a revolt in your own province is not attacking a nation you spastic, it's suppressing a revolt
It's not Cyrodiil vs Skyrim spastic, it's the Empire Vs Rebels

You're being deliberately obtuse because you're an ignorant retard with no real arguments

>>389549374
>le ebin genocidal robot so epik xD
leddi/tg/oy tier

>>389549116
>basically unconditionally surrender
Not at all moron
Also they can't literally just tell how much strength the AD had at the time, the Empire was fucked, and humans can rebuild and replenish faster, sueing for temporary peace might not have been needed, but it's understandable

>>389549474
>t.Umaril

>>389549116
The weak Empire of the 4th Era is a Thalmor pawn. The legions cannot be used against the Aldmeri without breaching their treaty, and any attempt to do so would likely result in the summary assassination of the Emperor and the installation of a more obedient puppet.

Furthermore, despite the overconfidence displayed in their dossiers in the Embassy in Skyrim, the Thalmor would actually struggle to keep a divided Empire under control. Without the legions to bolster their numbers, they would be spread too thin and would quickly be beset on all sides by rebellions similar to the Stormcloaks.

Breaking the Empire into localised chunks would better allow the native races of men (and mer, in the case of Orsinium) to focus on regaining sovereignty within their homelands. Imperial legionaries would return to their homes in Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim and would no longer be forced to stand for the presence of Aldmeri pretenders in their lands while they were deployed on the other side of Tamriel.

>>389549664
Isn't Orsinium neutral at this point, I mean I know allot of orcs join the legion, but that's just more so for a job/to see the world than it is any loyalty from them, or Orsinium to the empire.

I doubt Orsinium as a whole is tied to the empire, especially since they've been spurned at every turn trying to become a province in the third era.

>>389549474
>elf fags go full autismo at the mere mention of Pelinal
as it should be

Why didn't Martin go fuck some bitches before he went and turned himself into a dragon

>>389549467
Empirefags often say the best chance is to use the mannish races ability to outbreed the Mer and win a war of attrition.
Then they defend the decision to not fight a war of attrition because they need to build up their forces.

For the cherry on top they think it is a good idea to have the Legions (Who want to fight the AD) go to war with the Stormcloaks (Who want to fight the AD) and wear themselves down.

The Empire makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.

Empire supporters are beyond pants on head retarded they are helmet wearing , window licking , short bus riding retarded.

>>389549978
He was a priest. Duh.

>>389549137
The Medes united a fragmented empire, and fought for the empires survival, maybe if they had a killer time robot, fucked a loli and killed their friends they'd be a god too

What purpose do orcs serve?

>>389549919
The last thing the Empire did for the Orcs was to provide a guard for the refugees after Hammerfell/High Rock fucked them over (yet again).
They may have sent a letter saying "Stop" but even that would be a stretch for the Empire.

Orcs should have no loyalty but to themselves at this point.

>>389549993
The stormcloaks went to war with the empire you fucking dolt, how is this hard to understand, the legion in skyrim had been in skyrim for a long ass time, it's not an invading, occupying force you fucking spastic

>>389549978
Because he probably did that allot anyways in his days before he was a preist, when he was consorting with deadra and a mage's guild outcast.

>>389548923
thalmor are like the US funding ISIS, you can say theyre puppets but they got out of hand and now they cant be controlled. Stormcloaks are obvious not like ISIS just their origin/funding.
>>389549247
whos that much of a pussy that they call a duel murder? He could have declined and you might be right but either way its war, people get killed. Youll let elves take over becas "ulfric is a meany"?

>>389550125
Wasn't he a Sanguine worshiper before that?

>>389550170
They lost three provinces without firing a shot.
They did nothing for the Orcs in their time of need.
They did nothing when the Hist lickers were kicking the shit out of the dungmer.
They abandoned the Redguard when the IC was being attacked.

He united the province all right.
Everybody hates the Empire.

>>389550236
Yeah they probably don't. They may be at least cordial with the empire, but I doubt they have fucks to muster beyond that for anyone but themselves, understandably so since they get tagged teamed by High Rock and Hammerfell like you said.

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>>389532451
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE

How do people manage to roleplay in a game with barely any RPG elements in it?

An independent Skyrim is a Skyrim that is in no way beholden to the Aldmeri and has the right to imprison and execute Thalmor agents as they would with any other foreign spies.

The high elves have a policy of keeping their own numbers in check, their preferred tactics rely on overthrowing and manipulating political leadership in order to seize authority without bloodshed. The only reason they've been able to achieve the power they have by the 4th Era is because the surrounding kingdoms of Tamriel suffered a great deal more than Summerset during the Oblivion crisis.
With a Dragonborn, the Psijic Order, the Greybeards, the Dragons and even the Blades all having re-emerged onto the political landscape during the events of Skyrim, the Thalmor are no longer the most powerful players on the field, even with the Imperial legions and bureaucracy at the beck and call.
The Dunmer and the Orsimer resent the Altmer, all races of men outright despise them, Argonians and Khajit have bad blood with them, and now the most powerful dragon and the Dragonborn have teamed up to prevent the end of the world, an outcome which the Thalmor actively seek.

There's no need to look to the weakened Empire for help in crushing the Aldmeri, and there's also no need to put up with their presence in Skyrim any longer. The Stormcloaks are the clean break that Skyrim deserves to have.

>>389550438
Your mental gymnastics are astounding, the only one which you might fall on feasibly is hammerfell, which is also wrong being as though the empire left shitloads of troops there to continue fighting you fucking dolt

>>389532451
Neither, they're both shit

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>>389550460
I made a pissed Nord Barbarian named Gonan. Gonan likes his axe, smithing and alcohol. Hates elves, thieves and elves. Don't be fag. Be like Gonan.

>>389550460
I'm even more impressed at how fucking vicious people get about Empire vs Stormcloaks. Like, I can feel the butthurtness just oozing from these threads every time as they repeat argument after argument for the hundredth time.

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>>389550668
Good post.

>>389550668
I kill all thalmor on sight when i play Skyrim
I would breed with dark elves though, and by breed i mean rape

>>389550321
When did the Stormcloaks attack Cyrodil?
I recall they kicked the forsworn out of one of their cities.
I don't recall them attacking the Imperial troops until the Empire brought their masters into Skyrim and let them declare open season on Imperial citizens.

The Empire as it was is gone and never coming back.

>>389550820
Skyrim in an empire province you fucking moron
It is not cyrodiil vs skyrim, if you can't understand that you're shitposting or mentally retarded

>>389550668
Im shit at creating characters

>>389547775
The Empire was not enforcing the WGC at all, Ulfric's temper tantrum at Markarth forced the Thalmor onto Skyrim.

>>389550915
*parts of Skyrim occupied by the """empire"""

>>389550321
>it's not an invading, occupying force
it is by definition. While Nords should care the least becas it was Talos who was the conqueror by banning the religion The "Empire" isnt that same. By betraying its foundation it became the Mede Empire (not Talos) and is now an occupying force.

>>389540759
orcs are not dumb

>>389548695
>le Last Dragonborn is Mora's slave meme

Every Skyrim thread, do you people pay attention to anything at all.

>>389550609
Do tell what did they do for the dungmer?
Hell the Nords did more for them than the Empire.
Aside from the aforementioned guard what did they do for the Orcs?

Now they are currently engaging in a campaign of appeasement with the AD instead of pressing the one advantage they have...the ability to outbreed the fuckers.

You are entitled to your own opinion not your own facts.
The Empire has lost the moral authority to rule anyone.

>>389551062
Tiber did not form the first empire you fucking mongoloid, Tiber was a liar, murderer and cheat who intrigued his way to the top like a fucking trooper
The late septims were fuck all like Tiber, fucktard

>>389535437
>Patel, not Tyrone.

Nice try, tho.

>>389532451
Stormcloaks would be the superior choice if you could kill/exile/usurp Ulfric

>>389551232
>why didn't martin help the dungmer during the events of Oblivion!?!?

The thalmor are the true redpill
>tall
>pointy ears
>beautiful eyes
>beautiful green skin
>super magical
>can beat 100 humans

I always play an altmer and sow chaos, committing random murders against farmers when theres no witnesses and stuff.

>>389539849
There isn't a Khajiit faction.

>>389543224
I thought that was some girl named Snack??

>>389551301
>Tiber did not form the first empire
are you retarded? The lore is pretty clear. Im not going to argue with a neet who doesnt even know the story. Opinions on the character aside he conquered the world with a giant robot.

It doesn't matter because neither choice plays out into anything and at the end of the day we all know the Thalmor won't win, so just choose whatever faction you think has cooler gear.

>>389550908
The empire consists of Cyrodill and High Rock.
It used to consist of
Cyrodil
High Rock
Morrowind
Skyrim
Hammerfell
Black Marsh
Valenwood
Elswere
Summerset

If you can't tell the difference between the two "Empires" there is a retard in this discussion.

>>389551467
Holy shit you have to be joking, he did not form the first empire you fucking retard, literally just take a quick look through UESP timeline sometime and you might be fucking amazed

>>389551491
And that retard is Valenwood seriously fucking bosmers lmao

>>389551467
Tiber's empire was the third one, dingus.

>>389551491
Before the events of Skyrim, the empire consists of Cyrodiil, High Rock and Skyrim, after Skyrim it either remains or leaves, this is objectively correct, you can continue arguing this but you'll continue being objectively wrong

>>389551376
I was talking about the rape at the hands of the Hist Lickers but if being an idiot makes you feel better by all means please continue.

>>389551394
>cucked by Lorkhan
>one of their main god gets eaten by Boethiah and shat out into Malacath
>conquered by Reman
>land gets destroyed by Numidium
Nice pill you have there

>>389550975
Which still resulted in the deaths of untold numbers of Nords worshippibg Talos, Empire or not.

>>389551467
Jesus fucking Christ, really?

>>389551656
I was talking at the hands of the Oblivion crisis though, our arguments are the same, why didn't someone dealing with massive internal strife go
>Hey let's go help the Dunmer
Also you realise when the argonians invaded right?

>>389542497
Are you retarded? Read >>389539692

The Empire is dead, the emperor essentially destroyed all of his armies just to sign a peace treaty that gave the Thalmor what they wanted in the first place. I don't know why retards insist that the Empire just needs time, they don't have time, they have nothing, it's gone. At this point calling it an Empire is a misnomer because it's just a loose coalition between a few countries. The Thalmor would be unable to plan a successful invasion of Skyrim alone so there's nothing wrong with an Independent Nord kingdom. Honestly, does anyone pay attention to ANY of the background information given to you in the game beyond that retarded Altmer journal? Fucking Christ, Ulfrick is probably the BEST thing to happen to Skyrim, a noble leader who wants to free his people and let them follow their own path instead of bowing to the Empire's retarded whims. But retards believe the Empire is some sort of SUPER UN that can't succeed if everyone is on their own

>>389551683
Yeah, imperials have much innocent blood to answer for.

>>389551467
You are fucking stupid, the first Empire was founded by Alessia, the second by Reman Cyrodiil, and the third (3rd) was Tiber you fucking dolt.

>>389551062
>The Legion has been in Skyrim for cenuties before Ulfruc's rebellion
>Tiber Septim was not a good person
>Half of Skyrim still supports the Empire

>>389542497
They're not known to be planning anything, and if they were you can be damn sure the Thalmor would know about it. Imperial leaders can't take a piss without the Thalmor counting how many times they shook their dick.

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>Imperial

Big but somewhat dysfunctional empire. Wants to unify the continent to improve it. Has some internal problems but regular people do well under it. Welcomes all new recruits and helps them integrate.

>Nords

An extremist organization of poor cavemen whose main job is to kill and destroy their own country because they don't like pointy ears. Marginally better than ISIS because at least they don't kill their own. oh wait they do because some Nords are imperials

hmm what a tough choice

>>389551467
>what is Alessia
>what is Reman

>>389532451
Neither. Both are boring even by Skyrim standards.

Lore-wise though Imperials are your best-bet, but ultimately it doesn't matter which you pick as long as you pick one.

>>389551919
You can stop samefagging anytime now, lad.

>>389551972
>only 1 person can disagree with me at all times

>>389542306
Don't you know? Liberals have said any sort of nationalism is nazi now. If you don't want to open your lands up for every single fucking third world piece of shit you're literally Hitler now

>>389551565
were talking about "The Empire" not the slave empire or the cyrodil empire. Your comparing the founding of the country to its expansive period.
Alessia founded the country, Reman expanded but never became emperor, Tiber was the first even tho his empire is 3rd. Your just really off topic referring to the first 2.
Reman was occupying Skyrim, Tiber was but was revered being Nordic, Mede banned Nordic culture and is an occupation.

>>389552009
Ironic, since I'm not even the guy you desperately seek attention from.

>>389551854
"empire" of one province, "empire" without an emperor (also only lasted 60 years), vs The Empire which conquered the whole continent and all races.

>>389551652
If you just keep ignoring what was lost under Meades "leadership" the Empire is in good shape.

You are like the guy that fell off the skyscraper and every floor was heard to say "So far So good"

At this rate soon the Empire will consist of 2/3rds of the Imperial City.

>>389552049
>Mede banned Nordic culture
You have no idea what you're talking about, and the human empires based out of Cyrodiil and named in succession of eachother are certainly in some way connected my man

>>389552131
So? They're still considered the first and second.

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>Reguard
>Fight for Nords and piss off Imperials
>Blanda up strong nord women and piss off Nords.
>Kill more Altmer and piss off merfolk while making Redguards happy.

Also slays me that people continue the redguard nigger business when they don't do the slightest bit of niggardry beyond skin color. Niggerism is Khajit >>389544827


>>389542497
Redguards managed to hold off the Altmer so it's possible. Do the altmer even have borders with Skryim?

>>389542552
Like >>389548569 said also wars tend to have the nastiest and at times most violent behavior between collaborators and the rebels rather than the outsiders.

It's a question of would you rather be a Nazi (Imperials. Remember, Nazis at the time only hated Jews, they allowed other races including Blacks to join their ranks) or a White Supremacist (Stormcloaks)

>>389552049
>Mede banned Nordic culture
So Talos worship is what all of Nordic culture is about now, because I'm pretty sure when Ysmir Wulfharth banned everything that's not Nordic from Skyrim he hasn't even know what a Talos is

>tfw never remember what the Imperials race bonus is

>>389550192
They literally came from shit

>>389552194
Morrowind was gone after the Oblivion crisis, AD states were obviously never going to remain under the empire and hammerfell was regrettable, but not wholly abandoned outright
Blackmarsh has only ever been under the empire in a token way
You're full of shit

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>>389532451

Imperials, only edgelords pick Stormcloaks.
If the Stormcloaks won the piss elves would conquer Skyrim in a month.

>>389551665
Fucking Boethiah, the absolute madman

>>389552296
Hammerfell got absolutely destroyed and into survived because a bunch of imperial troops happened to show up at a battle that they were not expected to he at

>>389552357
>Believing in only your own race is white supremacy

Holy shit the autism. So you fucking idiot, what about the Black Panthers? La Raza? THis is why I hate these threads because it always turns into autistic liberal fucks making real world allegations to le ebil racists

>>389552357
Damn, I guess the fact that my catman was allowed to join the Stormcocks doesn't count, then.
Or the fact that they're the only ones providing refuge for the Dunmer.
Really makes you think.

>>389552541
Both of you retards are implying that the Stormcloaks are WN, though.
When they're quite obviously not.

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Even if the Empire is not the Septim Dynasty it still makes no sense to fight against them when you spent the last couple of games helping them

>>389552790
Why wouldn't it make sense?
It's not even the same Empire.

>>389552541
>>389552560

Fine.

It's a question of would you rather be a Original Nazi or a Neo-Nazi. There, you happy?

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>>389552978
Neither.

>>389552414
So you agree I was right then claim I am full shit.
Which is it?

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stupid decision that doesnt matter
the real question is: who did you marry? many options but only one answer if you are not a pleb

>>389553038
Then you avoid both and do the peace treaty quest

>>389552423
How do they plan on getting there?
Your best bet would be to put no thought into it just claim "Muh Magic"

>>389553118
The truest answer is not marrying anyone.

>>389553071
Because you're attributing the loss of territory to Mede rather than looking at the characters decisions in the circumstances he was in, so you're still full of shit

>>389553137
Through Cyrodiil, obviously.
Imperialcucks would not only provide military access, but ensure steady elven supply lines, too.

>>389552241
connected for sure but the 1st empire is imperial/cyrodilic founding, the 2nd was expanisve and brought nord in but wasnt "the empire" becas no emperor. Tiber was the first Emperor and made whats refereed to as the empire.
technically yes its the 3rd but the stormcloaks arent fighting the Alessians or The Reman Empire, theyre fighting the Mede Empire. The Tiber Empire was the one the Nords were loyal too and based much of their culture on. Banning talos worship is like when Rome converted to Christianity, it disenfranchised the ones who saw Rome as Jupiters empire. Same happened in Skyrim, the first 2 "empires" are irrelevant to the subject.
My main point is its not the 3rd empire/Talos empire anymore so it is an occupying force. You poeple just get worked up on nuances.

>>389553118
The vampire chick what's-her-face

>>389552371
just like i said with the empire the past is irrelevant. In mordern times Talos worship is key to their culture and its banned, thats banning culture. Like if America banned all references to the founding fathers, its a very ludicrous demand.

Okay but what if

The dragonborn is thalmor
How does this change the landscape?

>>389553118
Lyda
Sylgja
Mjoll

All prime candidates for making super powered Nord children

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>>389532451
I choose the companions

>>389552423
>If the Stormcloaks won the piss elves would conquer Skyrim in a month.
yet they couldnt conquer Hammerfell but could anally rape Cyrodil and the Legion....hmmmmm

>>389552560
And before anyone says the dunmer are forced into the grey quarter and can't better them selves, look at the fact that all the Altmer in Windhelm are successful business owners.

Dunmer are probably my favorite race, and I'm not saying they don't have it hard in windhelm with the citizenry having the anti Elf sentiment, but it's mostly drunks and has beens that fuck with them the most, they can pick themselves up if they put their minds to it.

>>389552790
You also spend the last four games seeing them slowly decline, and it was in a decline before Uriel VII began fixing shit, but then it got fucked over when Jagar Tharn threw him into oblivion, then he had to pick up the peices yet again before getting ganked before he could fix it.

>>389553392
>chose the worst guild quest ever created

It's sad that Ysgramor has such cool lore behind him yet the Companions were bottom-of-the-barrel dogshit

>>389553210
I am willing to believe a fair amount of Jarls (or whatever they have) and influential people in Cyrodil are bought and paid for by the AD at this point.

I also don't believe Cyrodil is a lost cause.
There should be those still willing to fight who would make Cyrodil a logistical nightmare for the AD to use as a supply line.

>>389553118
>marry someone
>they sometimes bring people to your house for "business reasons"
All I need are my adopted daughters and my cute Solitude housecarl

>>389553210
I doubt that.

They weren't forced into helping the Thalmor fight the Redguards, when they too were a province who broke from them (though they chose not to fight in general leaving the AD to do it) I doubt they'd be forced into this. Hell the only reason the Thalmor are there to begin with is because of the CW.

>>389553229
How was it Talos' empire when it was ruled by the very worst kind of Septims?Just because they were Septims? Why didn't they rebel isntantly after Martin's death? All your argument is over the WGC which was a time buying move that wasn't enforced until Ulfric kickstarted a chain of events
Mede did not ban Nordic culture you fuck, he continued the Empire, the Empire of which skyrim had long been part of

>>389553562
>CW
WGC*

>>389551665
How could Trinimac (aedra) become a Malacath (Daedra)?

>>389553403
Holy shit read the thread, I doubt the Dominion you could get to Skyrim (unless they were able to fragment the empire then push another war somehow???)
But the Dominion fucking raped the shit out of Hammerfell, and was only stopped because of a big number of legion veterans showing up to turn a battle

>>389553667
I meant Civil War, but that works as well because they're invoking that in conjunction with the on goings to go there.

>>389553745
Ate and then shat out by Boethiah, then the Trinimac worshipers slathered themselves in that shit and became Orcs

>>389553392
There could be blowback from yellow.
Fuck this up and you will have to meet Mr. Mayhem.

>>389553745
The chief merrish god was getting jealous of his popularity so he played on Trinimacs trusting nature to set him up.

Mer are cunts to everyone.

>>389553118
>wanted to marry serana
>cant without a mod

I think it's funny that the Thalmor are the main part of the reason Ulfric hates the Empire specifically because they sowed those seeds into him during his capture, specifically because they wanted him to do exactly what he did, and yet people support his actions while claiming to hate the AD
This is all told to you in the main quest line too
Ulfric is a tragic figure

>Go to Solitude
>Guards let me into the imperial HQ despite being a nobody
>The leaders openly discuss their battle plans infront of me

epic

>>389553801
There were 2 Legions of veterans present in Hammerfell ever since the White Gold Concordat was signed. They didn't appear in the nick of time, they were there the whole time and were just as pissed at the Empire as the native Redguards were. Even then Hammerfell suffered massive losses.

There are at least 12 Legions trying to suppress the Stormcloack rebellion and failing.

>>389554219
A legion is 4,800 men anon.

>>389553641
>Just because they were Septims?
uhm yeah thats how dynasty works
>Why didn't they rebel isntantly after Martin's death?
well why would they? its not just the dynasty the bannning of key culture points was the real tipping point. Most nords wouldve been fine with Mede if they could keep their pride and culture.
>Mede did not ban Nordic culture you fuck, he continued the Empire
so banning the worship of your main god and founder isnt banning culture? are you slow?
"your not allowed to worship freely or honor the founders of the empire but your also a traitor if you fight that same empire" the Mede Empire is a joke, he lost a war and cucked his whole race and empire into the elves bitch.

>>389554219
They were there with the legion when the orders to return to take the imperial city
They remained because their leader told them to, not because they were angry at the empire
>In Hammerfell, General Decianus was preparing to drive the Aldmeri back from Skaven when he was ordered to march for Cyrodiil. Unwilling to abandon Hammerfell completely, he allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions before they marched east. These veterans formed the core of the army that eventually drove Lady Arannelya's forces back across the Alik'r late in 174, taking heavy losses on their retreat from harassing attacks by the Alik'r warriors

>>389538160
Rewarded as a kingslayer and traitor deserves.

>>389554219
And no, there is a single legion there, wonder what all the other ones might be more focused on war with, rather than their own peoples?

>>389554204
More over the fact you're obviously the prisoner from earlier.

Also the fact that to join the legion you go directly to their HQ/The General (okay he tells you to go to what's her fuck but still) is kind of stupid in and of it's self, ditto for the stormcloaks who do the same shit.

>>389553641
>he continued the Empire
you cant continue an empire if you say everything the founder did and said is a lie. Whats the purpose of the empire, their flag, or anything at that point? When your only hope and best general (Tulius) is a traitor and heretic im pretty sure youre wrong.

>>389553118

Lydia, who proceeded to never be seen again.

I'm still mad there was absolutely no wood elf qt's to marry.

>>389539692
And how is Skyrim suppose to take the fight to Summerset Isles once the war starts?

>>389553801
>only stopped because of a big number of legion veterans showing up to turn a battle
so they lost? Damage doesnt matter if you lose. Nazis did alot of damage too but we dont call them the winners.

>>389554408
But no Nordic rebellion occured besides Ulfric own, long after the treaty was signed, long after the demand was brought in, and then not enforce
Your issue is obviously with the WGC, and the main issue of that is Ulfrics fault

>>389554603
I think he was refering to Titus Mede I continued the empire. II just continued the continuation.

Then was cucked out of his moment weilding a Deadric artifact during the final battle by a card game kek.

>>389554603
What most everyone knows about Talos is a complete fucking lie, and once again, you were free to worship Talos as long as you didn't mouth of about it, break the Empires treaty and give the elves an excuse to come knocking

>>389542382
t. populist retard
I bet you think we should go isolationist.

>>389553904
I'm sure black and brown won't mind.

Doesn't Skyrim take place 200 years after Oblivion? Why is there no technological advancement?

>>389554662
I didn't say the didn't lose, they just lost the same kinda way the US lost Vietnam, and still achieved more political aims than the US

>>389545554
Imperial

>>389555097
Medieval stasis

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>>389532451
Face it, cucks, Hyper-Gnosticism is the way of the future.

>>389554410
The use of the word "allowed" is indicative the veterans did not want to abandon the people of Hammerfell.

The General also still had a sense of duty to the Empire not just Cyrodil.
The whole Empire isn't rotten just the leadership.
As the saying goes the fish rots from the head down.

>>389555097
No need for guns when you can shoot fireballs

>>389547331
The French kicks ass throughout history sans WW2, you twat.

>>389554428
This isn't GoT retard.
It was a duel according to Nord laws.

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>>389549067
Only nords are stupid enough to kill other nords over their right to worship a breton.

I really don't get this site, pretty much everyone agrees Skyrim is shit when asked but you can't stop talking about it
Maybe I'm just too old for this

>>389555306
But it came from the General, and it being entirely his call is what makes it important
Also a major part in Hammerfell getting its peace was the empire smashing the AD in cyrodiil, where they were obviously focused
The idea that the Empire just up and left so Hammerfell could just get fucked is untrue

>>389554659
By sea.
The AD navy is tied up keeping the Imperial navy trapped in the Rumare.

Something will have to give if the Nords and Redguard start raiding Sumerset.

>>389555527
According to this fucking site pretty much everything is shit, so why do you take them seriously to begin with? It's just some fucking banter and arguing over trivial shit to pass time my man, embrace it.

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>>389553118
Best boy.
He is loyal. He even moves back to his mine to work rather than move to your house and do nothing all day.

>>389555527
Its easily the worst in the series but its still fairly enjoyable
At least with mods + all DLC
Oblivion and Morrowind are still far better

>>389548730
>he wants a two front war between the altmers and Cyrodill
>when the Empire is already preparing a war against the Altmers
>when Humanity needs every men they can get the most
Stormniggers everyone.

>>389555527
TES has GOAT fantasy lore though, for videogames anyway

>>389555645
>Do nothing

You mean sit around and be a Vendor that pays you? Sounds like a good deal to me IMO.

>>389555425
The Thu'um has no place in an honorable duel. Nor was the duel necessary. The King would have likely joined Ulfric against the Empire, as misguided as that would have been,

Ulfric is a power hungry shitlord who is unknowingly playing right into the Thalmor's plans.

>>389555665
>when the Empire is already preparing a war against the Altmers
the only thing they're preparing is their buttholes for their daily dose of elven cock lmao

>there are people who played Skyrim and didn't immediately slaughter any Thalmor they came across

>>389555604
IIRC (might be MK texts) the AD navy doesn't sound like something you'd want to fuck with

>>389555912
No seriously why the fuck wouldnt you? Find thalmor at any point
>kill them
>pay the guard if i haveto

>>389551394
We will throw your kind into the ovens, elf.

>>389554867
>you were free to worship Talos as long as you didn't mouth of about it
besides for that being stupid its not true. The empire lets thalmor hunt down and kill worshipers. They kill monks at the shrine in the middle of the woods.
>and still achieved more political aims than the US
they all got kicked out and are now vilified, i dont see what your seeing.
>>389554729
oh makes sense but its not Tibers empire
>>389554697
>But no Nordic rebellion occured besides Ulfric own, long after the treaty was signed, long after the demand was brought in, and then not enforce
that is the nordic rebellion, no rebellion in history takes place instantly or with full support.
>WGC, and the main issue of that is Ulfrics fault
no its not he fought for the empire and got rights back for the Nords until the empire elf masters said it wasnt ok. How can you think the empire is in the right on that?
I hate to keep using analogy but I imagine it like Iraq defeating ISIS and the US going "oh awesome we'll withdraw to let you rule yourselves" then having isreal say no and have the US arrest iraqi leaders.

>>389555870
This, no one argues it either, why do people ignore the fact that Ulfric does exactly what the Thalmor want him to while supporting him and claiming to hate the Thalmor
Only people that are worse who thinks somehow leaving skyrim in perpetual civil war would be the best

>>389555947
I believe the Redguard Navy is the top tier fleet.
They are the only ones that are equipped with cannons.

Take MKs stuff with a grain of salt if it isn't in game.

>>389556070
The Thalmor are in Skyrim because of the Markarth incident, and event caused by none other than one Ulfric Stormcloak, you fucking drip
People all around Skyrim were happily worshiping Talos around Skyrim before

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>>389548775
Imperials and Imperial sympathizers will never understand.
They are so busy hating elves that they sell themselves and their own value as a people for "time to gather strength".
They lie to themselves and are blind to the failings of its own nation by its own hand and still say that the empire is better in "the long run".

The empire died the day Martin did.

>>389552423
Imperialfag here, Skyrim is an impregnable fortress of mountains and icebergs. But the Stormcloacks will have very poor force projection capabilities. A Stormcloack offensive into Valenwood or Elswer is logistically impossible, let alone an invasion into the Summerset Isles.

>>389556096
I don't recall the rulebook on challenging a king being in game.
What subsection covered the use of the Thu'um?

>>389556181
Where was that Hoonding fag during the great war?

>imperialfags once again proving the age old stereotype of them having the reading comprehension of a first grader
every thread

>>389556443
What, I was talking about starting open rebellion after getting pissy with the empire (something Thalmor agents ingrained in him during his captivity), which is exactly what the AD wanted

>>389556368
Who let them come in and capture,torture, and kill imperial citizens with impunity?

Wasn't Ulfric
Wasn't Eli

If you just ignore the shitty things the empire does they are decent people.

>>389556443
Most likely the same one that dictates that only those hand-picked by the Empire can be voted for the Imperial Office of the High """King""" of Skyrim (Province)™.

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>>389555970
>not just talking to them and telling them that you can worship whomever you damn well please, instigating a fight and slaughtering the patrols in self defense negating the possibility of acquiring a bounty

>>389556443
The fact that he is supposed to be a follower of the Way of the Voice, which means the Thu'um is not to be used in such a vulgar and selfish manner. It is only to be used for the worship and glory of the gods. Curb-stomping a sympathetic king doesnt strike me as being such an event. Since Ulfric did study with the Greybeards he would no doubt know of this but obviously chose to ignore it.

For someone who believes in preserving Nordic traditions he seems to have no problem throwing it away when it interferes with his ambitions.

>>389556443
>King accepts a dual with a hardened war vet
>War vet is a know user of the Thu'um
>King dies
>WOW WTF YOU MURDERED HIM
> TRAITOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389556616
Ulfric when he openly broke the treaty for the world to hear, bringing in the Altmer
The treaty was in place, Ulfric can't not of known what he was doing, if you wanna talk about how the treaty should have gone down different I might be more sympathetic, but then the Empire was fucked completely and peace may have sounded like a dream at the time, with no way of knowing how much your enemy has left to give
However at the time of the Markarth incident I lay the blame of Ulfric, what had happened with the treaty had been years and years before, Ulfric at Markarth brought the AD to skyrim

>>389556630
How many fucking rulebooks are you going to make up?
I will bite.
What source says only Empire approved candidates are allowed to be High King?

>>389555604
Tiber Septim had to use a dwarven EVA Unit in order to destroy the Aldmeri Navy. And Skyrim is not a naval power.

>>389556775
His own country is being oppressed like it was when the dragons ruled. And people still say that he is throwing away tradition by trying to free his homeland from a race that literally want to kill every other race that isn't them.

lol ok

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Nords needed to just be patient. They would have been back to slaughtering elves in no time had they not chimped out before hand.

>>389555885
>the Stormnigger has no valid point to refute whatsoever
Dumb Stormnigger.

>>389556775
The Greybeards may be pacifists and follow that philosophy but I have seen nothing that would indicate Ulfric shares those beliefs in an way shape or form.

>>389557149
There was no point made to refute in the first place.

>>389557073
>being patient while genocide is happening to your people

please read: >>389556370
>>389548775

>>389556181
Hold up. The Redguards have CANNONS? Like for real?

>>389557073
>The only thing keeping Talos worship illegal/Dominion from being destroyed is the rebellion
Pretty sure it's the WGC, tbqh m8.
Stormcocks have no problems worshiping Talos, OR being hostile to the Dominion. The empire, meanwhile, is the exact opposite of that.

>>389557430
Being hostile is one thing. fully dealing with the thalmor is another.

>>389548775
While this makes some good points, I would place my bets on a united empire instead of a loose alliance of pissed off, individual provinces. The fact that everything was going according to the empire's plan and no one really had practical issues worshipping talos also makes me very suspicious of Ulfric's motives or state of mine.

>>389556368
>because of the Markarth incident
wtf would the thalmor have to do with bretons vs nords? it was an excuse to keep pushing the agenda. are you brain dead? Even given its "his fault" hes still morally and legally (if the empire wasnt the elves bitch) justified.
>People all around Skyrim were happily worshiping Talos around Skyrim before
they literally werent.

>>389557671
His state of mind is fucked from being imprisoned by the Thalmor, told lies and tortured making him feel abandoned by the Empire
This was their goal with Skyrim, an open Talos uprising is exactly what they've wanted and Ulfric was their pawn

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Nords are socially, politically, economically, and magically defunct. A number of bandits in Skyrim are bandits because they still honor the old gods, and because that shit just isn't allowed as a whole by their kin. You can literally hear them call their names in battle. Not Forsworn, proper Nords who have no choice but to be bandits. Even if they weren't, there is no way in hell there would be enough food to support them. The Nords are so many levels of fucked most literally have no idea. Their neighbors that are not actively waring with them want them dead because of past grudges. Whomever wins, Skyrim is already lost. The smartest thing that the Dovahkiin could do is stop Alduin and then just leave. Let some good come from the corpse of this once great people and place.

>>389556997
True Skyrim is not a naval power.
They do however have some of the finest sailors around due to the treacherous waters they have to navigate.
As they are not going to invade but raid they are more than capable of this.

This will force the vaunted AD navy to make a decision.
To keep the IN trapped or patrol the seas around Sumerset to top the aforementioned raids.
They would have to do this in some force or they would fall prey to the Redguard navy.

Once again the AD has to rely on some sort of "muh magic" to solve this problem.

>>389557816
Holy shit read the fucking crisis
Ulfric pushed out the Reachmen and demanded he be allowed completely open and unrestricted Talos worship, something people were doing anyway, of course the Empire couldn't ignore this, nor did the AD, who were waiting for an event like this (likely pushed by Ulfric) to occur so they'd have a cause to enter skyrim under the treaty clearly being infringed (instead of just being secretly infringed like it had been since it had been in place, which had been many years)

>>389557386
Yes.
Not from the fanfics either.
It is legit 100% in game.

>>389558089
Old Nords were P fucking good at naval invasions

Stormcloaks because it helps give the Thalmor an advantage.

ALTMER SUPREMACY DELET MUNDUS NOW

>>389558204
>allowed completely open and unrestricted Talos worship
sounds fair. Weird how anyone would ask for something you claim they already have. Seems like you dont understand the game. Yes read the (((markarth incident))) after that read the book saying talos isnt a god. foh with that elf propaganda.

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Empire, because I know which way the wind blows.

Stormcloaks, because I take every chance to shit into imperial soup

>>389558034
Who wants em dead?
The dungmer? The handful that are left aren't a threat.
The Orcs?
They live in Skyrim with no problems so not seeing the issue.
The Redguards?
They seem to share a penchant for kicking mer ass atm and seem like they would more likely be bros than enemies.
The Bretons?
Other than trying to claim Tiber as one of their own there is no beef between the Nords and the Bretons.

Cyrodil is the one possible problem but I don't think they are that far gone yet.There is still hope for them.

>>389558546
Altmer actually do know that Talos is a God, it's just that his worship is an obstacle to what they're trying to achieve.

We've been debating this for years, you Empiretards are so fucking dumb that you still can't understand what "asset" means in this case.
If you got jumped by a tiger, but then a random bear randomly walked by and decided to rip the tiger a new asshole that bear would be your asset. Does this mean that the bear is your slave/servant/doing your bidding? No. It means it's useful because of the current circumstances.
The point is, whether the bear or tiger win doesn't really matter because you're the one who's going to be fucked in the end either way.
This is why Thalmor document also states that either side winning doesn't bode well for them.
So yes, Ulfric is an "asset". But Empire is an "asset" too because it keeps the Skyrim destabilized. If Skyrim is united by either rule, Thalmor lose their power there.

>>389558470
After the "victories" at Hammerfell and Cyrodil the Thalmor need all the help they can get.
They have lost the element of surprise and are doubly screwed now.

>>389558546
Go talk to people in Markarth then, go take a look at Imperial aligned cities with Talos shrines in them you fucktard
They're either just there, at a shrine, or in the case of solitude, a city with fucking Thalmor in its just hidden not in a shrine
Read the Thalmor dossiers either? I very much doubt you have
Ulfric is bitter at the empire, he was butthurt he just wanted war now, and in doing so knowingly gave the Empire an ultimatum to start the great war 2.0 on some fucking random Jarls time
Ulfric brought the Thalmor into Skyrim with his chimpout, because a random lord should decide when an empire should start a fucking massive war over its political and military leaders

>>389558837
No one thinks he's a willing asset you fuck, it's just that he plays exactly how they want him to, they set him up and know he's knocking shit down
backing a rebellion to other throw an empire will cause more long term strife between those peoples than a rebellion not backed by the nation as a whole names after it's god damn leader

>>389559260
>No one thinks he's a willing asset you fuck
Stopped reading right there.
lurk more newfag

>>389558716
ik thats my point
>>389558943
>They're either just there, at a shrine, or in the case of solitude, a city with fucking Thalmor in its just hidden not in a shrine
they cant go and worship there. Thats like saying if you make it illegal to go to church but the church is still there its not banning the religion. There no logic in what youre saying.
>((( Thalmor dossiers)))
im sure those are fully accurate. Ulfric used them to get power and resources and betrayed them. Do you really think the faction who wants to eradicate the thalmor would turn around and cuck when Ulfric become high king? I dont. CIA trained Bin Laden and he didnt stay on their side, same with ulfric.
Your half right saying he was butthurt and wanted the war but the motive of retaining culture and sovereignty is noble and needed.

>tfw every time one of these threads comes up you have trouble deciding to go either

>>389545992

not if I behead him first.

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SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS

I can understand the ideologies of the rebellion and I sympathize with them. But I have a lot of trouble getting behind Ulfric as a leader. He should have just turned over the rebellion to the Dragonborn if he/she wished.

>>389559595
What the everlasting fuck are you talking about?
During the war Ulfric was imprisoned by the Thalmor, during which they tortured him, told him lies, especially about the war progress and the empire, fucking his head a bit
This hatred of the Thalmor and budding hatred of the empire pushed him onto rebellion
A rebellion the AD were hoping to prolong, as to weaken man
Seriously what the fuck do you think it meant?

>>389559352
Holy shit you're right

>>389557073
Altmer are long lived are better at playing the long con. Killing Talos worship will demoralize the Empire by dismantling their guiding principles. Meanwhile, Titus is rebuilding the legions to what they were when Talos created it. The problem is that all these troops will be maintained by an empire that is recovering from war and has about half the land it used to. This means higher taxes and possibly conscription. Without the guiding principles, the now demoralized citizens of the Empire will become less willing to make these sacrifices and the whole thing will crumble from within. All the eternal Altmer has to do now is wait.

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>>389560142
Holding hands would fuck up anybody, tbqh.

Why are these threads always filled with people who imply that Stormcloaks = all Nords? Do people just like to forget that half of Skyrim is still loyal to the Empire?

>>389560142
>told him lies, especially about the war progress
no matter what they said the outcome was the empire becoming the thalmors bitch and banning his religion. Hes been out of prison awhile he wouldve found out the lies. Besides ever consider the torture didnt work?
>hoping to prolong, as to weaken man
and that plan back fires spectacularly if you join the stormcloaks. They lose several key agents, lose influence, and have a guerrilla enemy ready to fight them. Once again just becuase the thalmor had a plan doesnt mean it worked.

>>389561113
It doesn't matter if the torture worked or not because he still did exactly what they had wanted him to do you dumb fuck

>>389561113
Oh and using your character is fucking stupid, because their plans don't matter as soon as you join the empire and butcher the rebels either, dumbfuck
The AD doesn't lose anything either way, the difference is between fractured and united humans

>>389538160
>work for a faction that considers Ulfric a traitor
>when you defeat his forces and he's captured, they punish him like a traitor
>wahhh