Quake Champions

>>389512742
is the netcode still shit?

>hero abilities
>in an arena shooter

Yeah, no.

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>>389514389
It's the worst netcode of any Quake to date, but it's playable. Sadly dud rockets and rails seem to occur even on very low ping

>>389512742
It all depends when they fix the netcode. if they don't, the game will die. if they do, it'll get better.
if the game fails the sole blame will fall on tim, because he wanted a different engine so badly and ignored idtech

>>389512742
I've been playing doom multiplayer and i've enjoyed how all of the doom weapons feel so much more.
that combined with the crummy netcode from the alpha make me not so sure about dropping $30 to continue to play in the now paid beta

>>389516153
QC is outsourced to cheeki breekis, much like NuDoom's MP was outsourced to Certain Affinity

I have no idea why id won't do hands-on MP development anymore. Maybe the team composition changed too much. Too many artists, not a lot of opinionated programmer-designers that can passionately push a design and argue for it

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The only way it can get better is if they delete Sorlag

>>389516479
>Main Sorlag because it's the only hero with QW movement
>shitters keep complaining about her stack
>even though Clutch's 100/150 can take a few more hits than her 150/100 due to way armor works
>shitters complain about her agility even though Clutch is the fastest heavy if you know how to use him

Just stick to the real issue, her Acid Spit on a 30 sec cooldown is preposterous. It's too strong a skill not to be 45 at least. People keep focusing on the elements of her that are not actually busted to try and meme the devs into a nerf, even though even bad players get 40% LG and heavily improved Rail against her, on account of her hitbox size

>>389512742
I don't have enough money to be good at this game and buy all the best stuff

>>389516684
Ranger is solid and just by doing dailies you'll have enough shards to rent champions for 24h

Also, you can get champions as item rewards

The only problems with Quake 3 Arena were small pickups being too inconsequential and weapon pickups creating momentum. Are either of these issues addressed in this game? Both could be solved at once by having players start out with every weapon and having higher power ammo as the item pickups.

>The only problems with Quake 3 Arena were small pickups being too inconsequential and weapon pickups creating momentum. Are either of these issues addressed in this game?

Mostly the same it ever was, Mega and Red don't seem to make you as tanky as they used to (especially if you're a light character)

>>389517185
>having players start out with every weapon

That's the premise of modes like CA and it removes a lot of depth from the game

>Both could be solved at once by having players start out with every weapon and having higher power ammo as the item pickups.

Functionally they end up just being weapon pickups. There's a relatively unknown duel-based FPS named Ultrono with that idea

>>389512742
Post that cute chick that teleports.

Could also tell me her name, cuz I honestly don't remember.

>>389516661
Sorlag is fast and tanky but it's really bullshit when you also add the acid spit on top of that package and a low as fuck cooldown on it. The damage and AoE it covers is fucking STUPID and releasing it like that makes me wonder what the fuck were the devs thinking when Visor's utility has 45s on CD. Whoopidie fucking do.

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>>389517884
Here you go

Jokes on you nigga

>>389518394
Tracer works too. She's really cute.

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>>389518394

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I'm not a quake veteran but I like it, never feels like I died because of cheap shit. A Scalebearer may rush down the hallway I walk into and kill me, but at the same time it could've easily have been a Slash or Nyx at high speeds using the gauntlet.

>>389514389
It's still not great but considering it used to thrash my shitty ausfag upload speeds until I got kicked from the server it's improved a fair bit

I just want them to completely change the lore system.

As it is now, the first 10-30 seconds is everyone running around busting pots and not playing the game, then when the lore is found half the room drops. It's pretty stupid.
I mostly play TDM so it's a big problem

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>>389518656
What did I do wrong Commissar?!

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>>389517884
Her name is Nyx. And is very cute. And wishes you a good morning when the match starts.

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>>389519182

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>>389519182
Fuck Nyx, when will arrive the most glorious and thiccest lady of Quake series?!

>>389519364
I haven't seen her in the leaked game audio files, but they'll probably add a character similar to her.

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>>389519182
Yeah, that's the one.

Once the game is out of fucking early access I might actually buy it solely because of her and Doomguy. Also because I like to go fast.

>>389517185
once the game really got going, most people didn't play the default modes where you had to pick shit up. for instance i played capturestrike threewave almost exclusively, where yo uhad every weapon

>>389519364
soon TM

>>389512742
I don't know about the quality of the game but it's going to have lawbreakers/battleborn numbers soon (if it's not already there)

>>389519457
I already bought the game, but I want them to fix the netcode so badly. its literally break or make for the game. the hitboxes too but too

>>389514389
hit reg is okay, rubber banding is shit

>>389519148
You posted a OW pic in a Quake thread for reasons not related to mockery, and that is HERESY!

>make a f2p game
>have open alpha
>close alpha and go into early access
>30 dollars to play early access for a f2p game that already had open alpha
They are fucking scared of the game bombing hard and milking their hardcore players before going f2p for real

>>389519897
It wasn't an open alpha though, you needed an invite code.

>>389519563
Steam numbers don't count all the beta players still using the bethesda launcher desu

>>389515940
you wouldn't play an arena shooter anyway shitter

>>389516661
>Main Sorlag because it's the only hero with QW movement
anarki?

>>389520094
Anarki's movement is CPM - Strafejumps with air acceleration

>>389520002
Really? Was it actually difficult to get an invite?

whos the best

>>389520181
I saw all the pros doing this at quakecon and wondered why I couldn't do it either
turns out they only did this with anarki and sorlag, and I never play those either
welp

>>389520181
what's the difference?

>>389520005
>implying anyone is actually using it instead of steam

>>389520238
Lorewise? Ranger
Game balance? Anarki, Slash and Nyx with Sorlag all in their must pick tier

>>389520289
We have no choice if we want play for free

>>389520265
Sorlag can't SJ, she must bhop. You can't SJ in QW, only bhop

Anarki can go from a SJ into a bhop of sorts (but bhop to SJ seem to lose some speed at first), CPMA's movement is kind of a mix

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>IMPRESSIVE
>OUTSTANDING
>EXCELLENT
>AIRBORNE
>HUMILLIATION
>mfw

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>>389516661
>>Main Sorlag because it's the only hero with QW movement
Glad I'm not alone

>>389520224
Not really, but Beth were controlling the amount of codes regardless.

>>389514389
Pretty garbage.

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>love sliding around with Slash
>apparently she is based off of Quake 4 mechanics
>literally no one likes Quake 4

What the fuck, how? How did Quake 4 kill the franchise if it had movement like Slash?

>>389512742
lolno.

>Sorlag shitters in need of desperate nerf
>Anarki was a retarded concept to begin with and will be a major problem for years to come. NTM he needs a bigger hitbox
>Deathmatch is the only mode worth playing
>TDM shows just how bad MM is
>Duel is k. Would've been better if it was classic, no abilities for ranked/comp mode
>Sacrifice is meh and nowhere near esports level
>Netcode is still wonky as fuck despite it being shown at E3 and the fact they're charging money. Especially if your AUS/NZ
>Steam charts show game decreasing in popularity after the awful tournament
>Doom Guy, Clutch, and Galena are useless
>Abilities should've been like Ranger's: simple, quick, and can either be used in your favor or fuck you over
>We still have to see the rest of the shit show

I was hopeful for this since the beginning. I was there at the beginning of the Betas. I'm officially fucking done. id got lucky with D44M. They are undeniably fucked now

>>389520730
Meme players with meme games and meme mementality

>>389520289
You have to pay $30 to play it on steam

>>389520730
The crouchsliding in Q4 is very short, basically a tool to come off a strafejump with a bit less friction than just moving. Slash's is a very exaggerated version of the idea with extreme amounts of control, turning, etc.

>>389520501
This is god damn satisfying - it's all tied to your performance, unlike retarded achievements on steam

>>389520730
Everybody remembers campaign which tilted into CoD-style single player (go there, destroy this, here's your squad dinging up ur ass, good luck). And multiplayer was just slight update of Q3 formula (minus all diffrent models). Also it was developed by Raven, not by id. That's why everybody thinks it killed the franchise.

>>389520810
>id got lucky with D44M. They are undeniably fucked now

Kek, this was outsourced to Russians. I guarantee you they made it on the cheap, probably even made their investment back already

QC can crash and burn and not kill them, it's NOT a big game. It's PC only for shit's sake

>>389520458
What's the difference between SJ and bhop?
I do SJ movements with anarki and sorlag and it works ok. With anarki i can switch from WA/WS jumping to A/D jumping if i want to turn tight corners.
I could never SJ in q3 and I definitely didn't play with different physics mods so I don't know the difference.

>>389519612
This. It infuriates me to no end how I think I've escaped fire, but get literally killed behind a wall every time with the lightning gun. Other than that, it works.

>>389521197
It's nearly impossible to explain via text. Youtube that shit. And yes, SJing will work perfectly with Anarki because he can do it

>I could never SJ in q3 and I definitely didn't play with different physics mods so I don't know the difference.

If you can SJ with Anarki you can SJ in Q3. Same shit

>>389516152
>It's the worst netcode of any Quake to date

Is this true?

>>389512742
When I was a young lad, I was pretty good at quake

And as long as I'm not sober, I'm still not bad!

https://youtu.be/W1IKvldmgvM?t=337

>>389521156
Still, besides D44M, what else have they done? FFS they should've made a new single player game. The lore and atmosphere is perfect for it

They really need to either rework the Quake movement champs or give all the non-quake movement champs something to make them useful, Doomguy is a good example of a character who is pretty much useless aside from gathering Lore. As it is it's the Sorlag-Anarki-Nyx Show, guest starring Shitty Netcode. At least Ranger is fun.

>>389521640
>Doomguy is a good example of a character who is pretty much useless aside from gathering Lore.

He has stuff. He has a good initial stack, can SJ (though you need to time the jumps accurately, unlike everyone else), double jump is a damageless rocket jump, and he is very hard to kill with rockets due to his double jump. If you face an enemy that has the RL, you can force him to go for air rockets while you hose him down with the LG, or fire with a RL of your own from a very advantageous position

His ability is also good to move around, arrive at Quad/Mega/Red late, etc.

>>389521608
Quake needs a new sp campaign with a grizzled soldier blasting through lovecraftian monstrosities with a rocket launcher. Fuck the Strogg bullshit from 2 and 4.

>>389521640
Doomguy is decent. BJ is the real JUST character

>>389521869
>double jump is a damageless rocket jump
It's like 1/4 the height of a rj, and it's only advantageous to use it against someone who only has a rl and isn't smart enough to switch to literally any other weapon while you're flying around in the air. Being in the air in quake is a death sentence.

>>389521640
Doom is good enough. I mean has good stats and the double jump is good enough to be an accessible movement tool wthout going overoard with it. It helps to aim rockets from above and do cheeky dodges. Seems garbage compared to Nyx and anarki because those have really small hitbox, one of the identified problems, and they all have crtuch abilities, like Slash or Sorlag, but it's acknowledged too.

Garbage for real? Visor. 45s on the wallhack seems fine until you realize this isn't CoD and if it doesn't deal damage or crutches you it's useless compared to the others.

>>389521548
well played - good proof how satisfying game can be

>>389522141
30 seconds on Visor's wallhack would make him busted. That'd be enough to always engage with perfect positional knowledge in Duel, either by waiting a bit or collecting hourglasses

It almost happens with it on a 45 second cooldown already

>>389521356
I can't really find anything about it.
I've gotten up to 600u/s with sorlag doing what I thought was SJing, though.

>>389522141
I've seen like one Visor in all my time playing, he must not be popular.

Doomguy running around with the shot gun is so fucking satisfying.

>>389521548
You've got pretty good aim and reflexes, but good god learn how to strafe jump. You look like you're just holding spacebar to hop around just for the fuck of it.
I'm pretty disappointed that they even added the feature to hold space for bunny hopping anyway.

>>389522453
Thought about that but has to be something done to his ability. It's very useless in that long cooldown outside Duel or it needs something else on his passive to stand out. I think of Visor as a very technical character, but that doesn't mean he can cut it.

Meanwhile all the kids are vomiting with Sorlag for 60 DoT in an AoE that also lingers on the ground; Stepping on the barf still does full damage as if it was poured on you.
>Losing a trade? just barf them
>Want a free kill? barf them, you're already stacked anyways
>Want multiple kills? spit on a brawl going on and a rocket, free kills
>Collecting items? who wants that i'm already fast and tanky

>>389521480
No, and anyone who says it is never played NetQuake on pre-56k connections.

>>389522589
His passive is pretty shit because there's no reason to have uncapped speed in QC since there aren't even hallways long enough to utilize it. His active is pretty shit because it doesn't do damage or help him slip away. Its only real use is to see nyx during a duel or something.

Is it wrong that I want to fuck Sorlag?

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>>389520501
>EXCELLENT
>BALLET
>SLALOM
Best girl.

Look I enjoy watching Quake occasionally but it's not the game for me OP. I am a casual.

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>>389523548
>Rune challenge to get 20 Black Swans

>>389523029
It feels so bad Railing the tanks twice and they still aren't dead, but A light breeze will kill me as Nyx

>tfw there will never be another fun single player fps with bunny hopping

>>389514389
The hit reg problems are exaggerated, the rubber banding problems sadly are not. When someone joins or leaves, it rubber bands

>>389523548
i like slash 'cause she's less infuriating to fight than nyx
no "ha ha i'm invisible and invulnerable now even though i had 5hp left, i'm going to pop out and shotgun you five seconds from now and good luck guessing where i'm coming from~" horseshit

>>389523761
what the hell is a black swan

>>389521197
Strafe jumping involves strafing (holding left or right) and slightly turning in the same direction as you jump to gain speed. Bunny hopping is just repeatedly jumping and in a lot of q3 mods/inspired games comes with increased air-control.

>>389523897
2 rails not killing a tanky champ at spawn hp is pretty fucking bullshit imo

>>389524028
bunnyhopping is repeatedly jumping while holding A or D in the direction you're looking, not just jumping
it also comes from quake 1, not quake 3- valve's games all include bhopping because they're based on old quake 1 physics; quake 3 has strafejumping instead

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>>389520501
The announcer is fucking great in QC, I'm so glad they got it right to a T.

>>389523761
What's a black swan? I don't see that medal anywhere

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>>389523761
>deshaun troy
>thugzilla
>chaos

>>389524023
>>389524463
Triple kill with Plasma Trail

>>389520289
You literally have no choice, you cough up $30 for Steam or you stay free with Jewthesda. I don't even use the launcher, just launch QuakeChampions.exe you fucking scrub. Fire up the launcher if matchmaking literally doesn't work because it means there's a new patch out.

>>389524545
>triple kill with the "don't walk here, idiot" trail
oh god

>>389524023
I have one way to deal with nyx
>wait 4 seconds
>rocket jump
>pull out your rail gun
>shove a rail down her brain to her ass

feels great man.

>>389524712
>rocket jump
>nyx rails you as soon as she's visible because she can watch you while you can't watch her

>>389524850
if you have enough health you can survive the first hit
otherwise grab your lightning gun and spray around you like ironman did in ironman 2

>>389524376
>not just jumping
Fair point but that depends on the game.

>>389524545
I don't think that medal exists anymore.
There's "Slalom" which is a double kill. Not too hard if you just put that shit all over the quad right before it spawns. People are retarded

>>389524948
no, proper bunnyhopping is never 'just jumping,' it always includes mouse movement and strafing left or right
that's the entire reason bunnyhopping works the way it does- it combines the speed increase from the player turning, strafing and jumping all together, and you're jumping as soon as you hit the ground to preserve as much speed as possible because every frame you're touching the ground, friction is applied slowing you down
that's one of the big changes from original quake to quakeworld- no necessary friction frame upon the player touching the floor so it's easier to raise and keep your speed

>>389525091
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, because I don't have her unlocked, can't Sorlagg gain speed in QC just by jumping forward.

>>389524964
The rune challenge literally says "Get 20 Black Swans" and it's under Slash's rune book.

>>389525258
Her passive description says you move faster by jumping in a straight line

>>389525258
as sorlag you can just bunny hop in a straight line and accelerate, which other characters can't do. But it caps out at like 400u/s. Normally you'd only do 320 u/s.