Whats the best Total War game?

Rome

Rome 2

Rome 3

Rome 4

Rome V

>>389456596
attila for difficulty and complexity
Warhammer for setting and "fun"
shogun 2 for polish
medieval 2 for modding and nostalgia

>>389457000
checked

>>389456596

Probably Attila or Shogun 2. I'm personally very fond of Warhammer because of the setting, but I can recognize that it's very simplified.

>>389457000
Trips confirm

Between medieval 2 or shogun 2

>>389456596
Those faces
>we've been in the legion is 256BC
>its now 10BC

>>389457172
Try to avoid being funny, you're no good at it

>>389456596

Fall of the Sammyrai

>>389456596
Shogun 2, eventhough I dislike the japanese setting, I can't deny it's a mechanically and aesthetically superior total war game.

warhammer

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>>389457000
Best list.

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>>389457000
>attila for difficulty

Fall of the Samurai for purging swordfags with artillery and rifles

>>389457207
yes, imperator.
Would you stop sucking dick as well?

Is Attila the most antifun game ever made?

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>>389457000
I recognise the superior mechanics of Atilla but I just can't deal with the bland as fuck setting, nothing but endless hordes of hobo speamanii.

>>389457414
lol.

>>389457287
Atilla is only hard for the Empires. Its a field trip for horde factions.

>>389457287
All total war games can be easystreet murderfests if you abuse the ai with mounted units.

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>>389457000
Checked

>>389457478
Is the Fall of the Eagles mod done? or did the author really die? I liked it cause it puts tunics on the barbars.

>>389457478
Not really (unless you play on the cheating AI modes).

>>389457562
Hes still working on it.

>>389457287
It's pretty hard if you pick the WRE Even ERE is difficult with all these fucking barbs and Sassanids

>>389456923
Rom9

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Shogun 2 or Warhammer.

I'd say Shogun 2 is the best game out of the box. With mods Medieval 2 is the best one. Warhammer is very strong and if they fix the faults of the first game, the second game is looking to be a very strong contender for the best TW game ever made.

>>389457507
It's especially easystreet in Attila, a game full of horsefuckery

If you try and pull an all cav army in Shogun 2 you'lll get fucked, Rome 2 mixed results depending on who you're fighting

>>389457690
>the second game is looking to be a very strong contender for the best TW game ever made.
Not with those atrocious sieges still in

>>389457000
came here to post this. trips confirm we are correct

>>389456596
Vanilla: Shogun 2
Modded: Medieval 2
Anyone suggesting Rome 2/Attila/Warhammer needs to throw themselves from the nearest window
/thread

Medieval 2, may not be the best but it's my favorite.

>>389457894
redditor

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>>389457690
It's the best total war after empire I'll give you that. Unit collision is still bullshit though.

>>389457690
As someone who loves M2 but has never modded it, what mods do you suggest?

>>389457929
This

If it weren't for its setting Warhammer would undeniably be the worst TW, it's lauded by Warhammer fans bc its the first game they've had in years that isn't shit

>>389458021
Also came here to ask. Was more of a Rome fan but always heard about how great M2 is modded and never got around to it.

If you are new to Total War pirate Shogun 2 or get it for cheap. It's the most barebones but also refined Total War, it came right after the Empire disaster so it's less of a "We need to dumb this series down" and more of a "We are in way over our head and it almost ruined us so we're just gonna make a basic good game" thing.

Don't buy Rome 2 ever.
Atilla is the best Historic Total War since Medieval 2 (which somehow aged worse than rome)
Total Warhammer is divisive. It focuses far more on faction diversity, gimmicks and character progression but it does all of these things well.
Warhammer has Shogun 2 level polish, the best AI TW has ever had and the DLCs, while overpriced actually add a lot and if you don't want to play a DLC Faction you don't need to buy it, the Faction will still be in the Grand Campaign.

To sum it up: If you're new play Shogun 2, if you wanna get into the good stuff get Atilla or Warhammer depending on if you're more into Historical or Fantasy.

>>389457668
Warhammer and shogun are virtually identical with the exception of shogun looking much older. Personally I dislike japan as a total war region and I feel super restricted in my gameplay choices, so warhammer felt like a better game for me. Warhammer races also all have quirky gimmicks to them which is kind of cool if you intend to play more then once and want something with a little more depth aside from "has access to guns" or "likes horses".

>>389458021
>>389458052

Stainless Steel 6.4

Third Age for LoTR

>>389458128
>Don't buy Rome 2 ever.
>Atilla is the best Historic Total War since Medieval 2

False, Rome 2 is decent and worth a buy if you end up liking the series

Attila has dull factions and dull coloured schemed graphics to go with it, wildly unbalanced units, awful agent and general skill trees, more than ever the AI can't seem to deal with horsefuckers and the game is full of them, a dead general has such a staggering drop on morale that all the battles are basically general snipe then routs.
I'm glad it brought migratory factions to the series but it's just not as fun to play as the others

>>389458050
I've been a Warhammer+TW fan since I was 10 years old and I fucking hate TW:W. Not to mention that they're shamelessly releasing the same game once more with TW:W2 for the extra jewbux.

Honestly, fuck CA and what they've become. At least we still have Europa Barbarorum 2.

>>389458021
>>389458052
There are a lot of good ones.
Call of Warhammer is great
Europa Barbarorum 2 is even better
Third Age (LOTR mod) looks fun but is kinda plain once you get into it

>>389458128
Atilla, CA's attempt at fixing everything they fucked up with Rome 2, is still Rome 2 at it's core.
Warhammer also has terrible campaign map play, fun battles but still.

Also everything after Shogun 2 should be avoided on principle due to the DLC fuckery they're trying to pull

Medieval 1. The risk-style world map of the first two games worked so much better..

>>389458629
t. Darren

>>389458285
Shogun 2 being limited unit-wise is exactly what makes it work. CA are incapable of balancing different factions against each other unless they have identical troops choices. The rock-paper-scissors system in S2 is the best thing about it and exactly what made it the only TW game that had a working multiplayer mode.

>>389458751
Who the fuck is Darren dude

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G O B L I N S

REMOVE
ELF
WITH
DINOSAURS

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>>389458771
>Never again will you sit in your pyjamas all day conquering the MP Avatar map for your clan
>You will never use your DLC Horse Gunners to fuck people who had just picked it up on sale

>>389458629
And what makes Warhammers campaign map bad? It offers far more variety than Shogun 2.
Navys not being is pretty bad, I will agree with that but otherwise it offers everything that vanilla Shogun 2 did and more because each faction has a different way of troop movement, replenishing forces, susceptibility to attrition

>>389458021
Do you want something close to Vanilla but expanded in every way? Stainless Steel. Do you want more Middle-east? Broken Crescent. Do you want fantasy? Third Age, Rage of the Dark Gods/Beginning of the End Times (Sundering if you like knife-ears). Do you want something that has a little of everything? Thera.

Played a fuckton of Rome and Medieval 2. Still pick them up from time to time today, but the signs of age are really beginning to show.

Is Rome 2 worth getting? I remember the rage when it was released, buggy and unfinished.

Not interested in Shogun or Warhammer ones.

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>>389459018
truly, dark days are upon us

>>389459105
No, Rome 2 is a fundamentally broken game due to the design choices made. Stay away.

>>389456596
Shogun 2: Fall of the Samurai.

>>389458828
punished venom CA employee, left as PR boy, said Warhammer was for babies and a couple mechanics (sieges) were shit on a stream after he quit

>>389459026
>Far more variety
Extremely limited empire management, small world map, no naval play, variety is fun but leads to poor balance between factions, faction gimmicks get old quick, quests are often stupid, list goes on

>>389459193
Thanks for the advice. Mind elaborating on what design choices?

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>>389459321
>sino-japanese war expansion never ever

Hard to say tb h. Between Medieval 2 or Warhammer

>>389459603
It has more empire management than Shogun 2 without FoS, Map has more individual provinces than Shogun 2, Balance was never a thing in Total War, Gimmicks getting old is not an issue, at leas they are there and nothing was sacrificed for them, please go on.

>>389459026
I think one of the worst features of Warhammers campaign is how the game falls over itself to give you lump sums of money for doing nothing.

Like the reward for capturing four settlements is owning four more settlements, instead you get given enough money to raise enough army and continue the steamroll, the early campaign flies by if you just ignore settlement upgrades and zerg rush, you more than make up for it from all the post battle loot, objective gold, looting or sacking settlements, bonuses from followers and raiding

The buildings you can build in settlements is also really uninspired and I pretty much make every region identical apart from one or two buildings

The agents are fun to be included in an army as a unit but on the campaign they're not that fun with nonsensical skill trees (skill trees in general need to be less linear in TWW) and they're way too sparse early on and then way too spammy in the late game when you can suddenly build all the appropriate buildings

Also autoresolve is so broken its ridiculous and it seems to me the AI cheats to finish quests really quickly

Shogun 2, Atilla, and Warhammer are the best Total War games. Med 2 is only redeemable due to mods. Empire was the most ambitious but was totally flawed.

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>>389458886
DID SOMEBODY SAY GOBLINS?

>>389459613
AI is broken both in campaigns and battles. Often sends like, three units, against your full stacks. Diplomacy is still useless.

Units automatically embark onto "troop transports" when moved onto the sea. This alone completely ruined naval play because you can build a stack of slaves, move them onto water and then fuck your stupid AI opponents ships up because ramming is best lol

All units, yes all units, have "magic abilites" that for example give them move or attack speed buffs for a short time. Similar things existed in Shogun 2 but here it's extremely over the top.

Units move way too quicky on the battle map. Like, 40km/h at full speed.

Bad unit collision coding means all battles degenerate into a huge blob fight in the middle. Structured formations are very hard to maintain.

No family tree means no creating a story and building characters for yourself.

Poor balance between factions.


Game looks drab, brown and boring graphically. I don't tend to care about graphics in a game but still. Rome 2 is ugly.

etc.

>>389458021
Stainless Steel: vanilla shenanigans
Broken Crescent: arab shenanigans
the third age: LotR shenanigans
Europa Barbarorum 2: it's like Rome but even better

>>389459823
I can see we clearly have different ideas about what makes a TW game good. I'll leave it at that

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>not ONE post even mentioning Napoleon

BURN IT

>>389458021
Also, don't forget to check out the Divide and Conquer submod for Third Age if you liked that, it's an insane expansion to an already huge total conversion mod. Probably a better LotR Total War than CA could ever dream of making

>>389460112
Oh wow I had no idea it was that bad. Thanks a lot, I will never get it.

>All units, yes all units, have "magic abilites" that for example give them move or attack speed buffs for a short time. Similar things existed in Shogun 2 but here it's extremely over the top.

wtf is this shit? Sure, earlier games had the commanders "Rally" ability, and units had special formations (Testuda, The C-something Circle etc) but those made sense.

>No family tree
I loved the family tree. Made me really care about certain generals.

I guess I should start playing crusader kings instead of trying to look back at a series I've had so much fun with years ago.

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>>389460298
>Napoleon DarthMod
>Trying to survive 50 turns as Sweden

>FoTS has better range battles than Empire/Napoleon
>Shogun 2 has one of the best melee battles
My heart still belongs to medieval 2, desu

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Attila

>>389460426
Or play EB2, that shit can keep you going for 5k+ hours

>>389460562
Yeah I did start playing EB2 a year ago. Didn't have time to play it. Guess I should try again

>>389460662
I'm in the same boat right now. Started a Roman campaign just as school started again, bad idea.

>>389456596
Medieval II with Stainless Steel 6.4

Can someone explain the love for Medieval 2? Run command cancels attack commands, buildings are confusing, siege weapons have shit range, cavalry seems to be the focus but are tedious to manage because of run cancelling attack

>>389457000
Checked
Also I couldn't understand Shogun 2's siege battles, am I missing something about them?

I don't get the hate for Attila. It's a very well executed game set in an interesting period that doesn't see much representation in entertainment. It's probably my favorite TW after FotS

>>389460871
Agreed about the cavalry. Whenever I could get them to actually charge in with ther lances, I'd be stoked.

As for why me and a lot of other people loved it? I'll leave that for someone who can better analyze the game.

>>389460871
It's a classic that established what the Total War franchise means to many people, and it also good mod support and a bunch of really good mods.

One of the downsides of newer TW games is that the mod support seems to be getting worse and worse (though Warhammer seems to be at least a small step in the right direction when it comes to that).

>>389461085
>It's a classic that established what the Total War franchise means to many people
That would be Rome:TW, M2 is just remembered from its massive mod support.

Quick reminder that Empire was the first TW with naval battles, and has the best naval battles of the series (with Nappy very close behind)

It was the first TW with tech trees and has the best tech tree by a fucking mile, not a single boring "+% to some form of income" but cool stuff like "oh shit nigga bayonets that you can always shoot with" and "fucking massive short range cannons on your boats" and Issac Newton and multiple techs at once

It had great trade mechanics with the trade value of resources being a clear motivation to actually expand and defend trade routes in far off places

Huge campaign map that's mostly pretty great (fucking France) with sweet little regional growth and buildings so you can fuck people up if they're just hiding in their cities

It was the first TW with diplomacy that actually worked, with allies being forced to join you or betray you when war broke out and military access actually being important

I'm not saying the game was great or didn't have its flaws but it brought a lot of good shit to the series that we take for granted and are part of the reason why Rome and ME2 seem dated

>>389456596
Shogun 2 is the best total war. You are delusional nostalgia fag if you believe rome or medieval 2 is better.

>>389461243
Empire was the closest TW came to being Europa Universalis but still having 3d tactical battles. Just too bad everything else was fucked about the game, like the performance.

what are the best mods for Attila?

>>389457000
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>>389457668
>>389457690
>>389457929
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>>389461339
When you say Shogun 2, do you mean vanilla or fots? Which one should i get?

>>389460871
First time 3d engine used for a traditional medieval setting in Total War. Everyone loves knights in their strategy games. And back in the day its technical awfulness wasn't as glaring unless you were a purist with fond memories of Medieval 1, in which case it of course looked criminally bad. Mods are dank either way though. I just remembered that a Legend of Zelda one was in the works years ago and it's still going now. If you're into mods M2 lasts forever.

>>389461695
Both, FOTS is a completely different experience. Since Shogun 2 is set during the 1500s, Fots is set in the 1800s.

>>389461695
It's the most fun
and mechanically competent of all the other games. Though if warhammer 2 fixes warhammers problems, warhammer 2 will throw shogun under multiple busses

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>>389460871
I never had issues with the run command cancelling attacks? Although I normally double right click to do both at once so maybe I just didn't notice
Buildings are not confusing? There's clear military/economic/public order buildings with clear distinctions between what they do?
I played through a long campaign recently and used a lot of artillery and found the range appropriate but that's probably more subjective
I found the cav only actually charged if they had enough distance to get going or weren't turning a tight corner just before engaging.
It did undeniably had some annoying shit it would do, surprised you didn't mention the head smashing frustration of trying to move units on walls or inside tight streets

>>389461243
Also was the first to have markers to show the range of units and in-battle building occupation

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>>389456596
Depends. You need to divide them into generations because it's not really fair.

>Early
Medieval shits all over Shogun seeing as it was a logical progression of the formula.

>Medium
Medieval 2 + Kingdoms because of all the excellent mods and generally great game all-around, imbalances and cavalry cycling notwithstanding.

>Modern
Probably a tossup between Warhammer and Shogun 2 depending on which camp you fall in.

>Forgotten by everyone
Napoleon and Attila, two games that were big improvements over their original games but sadly few people bothered with respectively.

Shogun 2

>>389458771
Shogun 2 wasn't even balanced though? Even on max difficulty the ai still favored archery dojos and spammed them even after getting the required nanban port for muskets. Not to mention half the units are cavalry and the AI is completely allergic to them.

>>389458771
>The rock-paper-scissors system in S2
Spear Calvary beats everything in shogun. Everything. The only thing they're not good at is sieges but that's fine since you can just sit outside cities until the generals come out or autoresolve if there isn't a general in the city for a free win.

>>389457000
>"fun" is a buzzword now

Attila just needs better more diverse barbarians, not the copy paste Germans. AoC is a ton of fun despite this, though hearing christian English troops yell Germanic battle cries takes me out of it.

>>389456596
Medieval 1

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>>389461704
I still regret how many features got lost from Medieval. Some were re-introduced like a half-assed chance for a random unit to become a leader, but I missed the chance to promote them myself and assign offices proper.

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>>389462423
>tzimisces

>>389462423
Also best mercenary mechanics in the series.

Enjoy your Warhammer Fantasy rehash games.

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>>389462749
>Timurids invade
>Chance to recruit Elephant Artillery mercs when in the same region as them

>>389457478
>not playing with the harder campaign mod and non weak ERE and WRE mods

shiggy diggy do

plus Alans and Aksum are hard horde campaigns

>>389462423
I liked the bigger battles and better reinforcement system in Medieval 1. You can bring a max of 2 stacks in later games and maybe the reinforcements will work, and maybe they won't. Enemy armies never get bigger than a stack and change anyway so it didn't matter. Or you can have your reinforcements under AI control, which isn't the game I was playing.

In Medieval 1 I could bring multiple stack to bear against an enemy army that also had multiple stacks. we could each only have one stack on the field at a time. I would then have to make interesting choices about retiring units that have been fights a while vs leaving them in.

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>>389457929

In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is a consequence of a person's performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values

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>>389457997
>empire is 2nd best

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>>389457000
Yes

>>389457562
I wish there were mods that break apart the Roman empires into smaller regional countries. There are only two overhaul mods that do this but one was discontinued.

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>>389458886
Thanks based gobbo poster

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>>389460298
With DM it gives a fair challange even playing as France too.
Agree its good.

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SHOWA ME SOME HEWOIC BATTARU!
RIKE THE BATTRE OF KALKA RIBER!

OR I WIRR WAID YOUR WOMEN AND ENSLAVE YOUR CHILDREN

>>389463735
Empire is when the warscape engine was introduced. Shogun 2 is the best in the franchise released after 2009.

>>389460889
What was it you didn't understand? You lined the walls with katana samurai and back them up with archers. You'd retreat backwords into the fort as people climbed up, using the katana samurai as defensive walls to buy you time.

If you were attacking, you opted instead to just wait out the siege for them to attack you in the field 99% of the time because sieges have been absolute fucking ass battlefield wise

is there a way to make rome 2 not look like total shit? why do the faces go so weird when i'm not zoomed all the way in

>play shogun 2
>use Oda
>defeat Katana Samurai 1 on 1 with Yari Ashigaru using Yari wall

is that supposed to happen?

>>389457287
Army comp is almost half levy and half slinger, every unit is low asf tier. Still a good victory.

>>389464896
Yes. Oda Ashigaru are stronk as fuck. Just wait until you get matchlocks or these DLC long-spear guys.

>>389464865
Yes, you get Attila instead.

Quick! What's your Europa Barbarorum faction?

Bactria here.

>>389462270
What are Yari Samurai?

>>389466309
A unit that loses to anything with enough charge bonus. RPS combat doesn't take into account the fact that spam charging is still an autowin barring ridiculous upgrades.

>>389466365
I agree Spear Cav are powerful but I don't think they're OP. From a multiplayer perspective

>>389466489
Multiplayer is totally different because humans generally aren't retarded and will use things like stances and such. However as far as the AI is concerned you could probably destroy a 1200+ armor with 5 spear cavalry stacks.

>>389461085
Warhammer has the worst mod support in total war history due to games workshop forbidding the ability to add new models, you can only retexture or mix and match shit from vanilla.

>>389466565
Yeah, that is true. But then the root of the problem is AI, not unit balance. In every single TW game with bow cavalry, you can kite the AI around the map for the win. Are bow cavalry OP or is the AI too dumb for the game to work properly?

Also, a game with MP should generally be balanced around the MP, not the SP

>>389460427
Nigga try to play as Poland. Russia, Prussia, Austria all hate your ass and you are surrounded by them. Doom stacks the turn 10.

>>389466872
True but with Poland you at least know you're fucked from the start. Playing as Sweden lulls you into a false sense of progress the first 10 turns until Norwegian rebels, Russians and Frenchmen gangrape you

>>389466309
The pike in my shot.

>>389466853
True. But at least in other games the AI has a few more tools to deal with cavalry. they can't compensate with actual skillful maneuvering. Giving them more units to make cavalry charging less effective is a bandaid solution but better then no solution at all.

>>389467058
What unit type does the S2 AI lack compared to other games exactly?

>>389467202
Defensive siege, large units. Skirmish units. Something other then ninjas in that regard. More then 3 tiers of units for the first 100~ turns. Ai will spam ashigaru and bowman for the entire game because of how it values cheaper units. It doesn't do that as much in total wars with more diverse unit pools because it has more factors to take into account aside from "Has spears" "is samurai" and "uses horses". Shogun 2 is a good game but it's units are stripped down to the absolute bare basics. It's a matter of opinion but I feel like it disrupts the flow of gameplay heavily when I'm stuck using the same unit over 50 odd years because it's so good compared to everything else.

>tfw building stone forts on the overworld in MTW2 Stainless Steel and manning them with longbows

max comfy

rome 2 emperor edition + divide et impera mod + rome 1 music mod

fuck weebs