What went wrong?

>>389447590
decision fatigue, also expecting people to learn how to dragon punch is liderally hitler

>>389447590
on disk dlc.

>>389447590
simplicity can take you a long way

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>>389447590
no X-Men

>>389447590
Disney

>>389447862
This. It was rumored that Disney told them to make their characters shitty looking on purpose in order to make the marvel characters stand out more.

You couldn't atleast put the final base roster? It was still going to prove your point either way, but now you've given people a reason to call you retarded.

>cel shaded 3D is horrible in MvsC
>regular 3D is horrible in MvsC
>nowadays devs are too lazy to make proper sprites for games
It's funny because I don't think SFIV looks bad, it actually fits well

>>389448060
That was proven false.

The story mode

You guys wanted a story mode? Well, now you just gave Capcom the opportunity to pull the same shit they did with SFV. On top of making them a cringe story where they pair up characters just to make forced jokes and references. You can't have a large roster because that would mean everyone needs to be shoved into the story somehow, and this isn't an SRPG like Project X Zone where everyone gets time to shine, this is just a quick and slapped together story because who the fuck plays a fighting game for the single player story mode?

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>>389447590
You know exactly that's not the real roster so why did you make that pic?

You could have also include MSH v SF and XMEN v SF and the vanilla MvC3 just to see how much reused assets the Marvel games always had

>>389448250
then explain this

>>389447590
Really curious as to why they decided to rip all the style out of the game.

How the hell does MvC3 much better

What even happened

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>>389447590
>What went wrong?
you are no longer the type of person who the fanservice inside the game is being catered and pandered to.

Not that hard to get really and its fine to be upset about. But god damn why are ya nerds purposely being stupid about it though?

>>389448190
SFiV is fucking hideous.

>>389448486
>making them a cringe story where they pair up characters just to make forced jokes and references
that's literally what the Avangers or every Marvel crossover is about tho. I don't understand why are people so surprised that MvCI story mode will be like that instead of a super serious, grimdark story of Injustice and the DC movies.

>>389448609
Get rid of that extra row of paid DLC and i'll think about it.

>>389448609
>not the real roster
>posting a literal shop pic
>red and blue squares
all will be clear on release

>>389447756

Ding ding ding.

>>389448758
>every Marvel crossover
Except all of the Marvel vs Capcom crossovers that didn't have a story mode? Which if i remember right, is all of them?

>>389448787
>it's OK to post the demo roster as if it was the launch roster but it's not ok to post the real one with the first 5 dlc chars

>>389448873
I've meant the movies. The whole idea of putting these characters together is cheap fanservice, yet people act like it's only MvCI that's doing it.

>>389448486
This. It's clear Marvel is now going to give us a bootleg version of Civil War, to make that "epic reference to that one movie everyone saw in theaters, buy the BluRay DVD". And of course this wasted development time that could have been used to actually put more characters in the game. The western art syle is killing it for me too, no body wanted to see drug addict Dante and Haggar on steroids.

>>389448165
I think he meant the art style which gives a semblance of personality

they look like disney characters

>>389449331
>Marvel is now going to give us
why do people think Marvel is doing anything with the game except for giving out the rights?

This isn't NRS+DC where Warner bros own and fund both. Marvel hardly does anything with the series except for the least amount of supervising.

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>>389449156
A crossover is always about fanservice, thats why games like this even exists. Its how the fanservice is done is what matters. Its cheap here because they've tossed all these characters in some "end of the world" scenario, where the Marvel characters pretty much take the lead roles (Cap and Iron man squaring off, "we gotta find Thanos because theres no hope", the Marvel Infinity gems, we know everything about Ultron), the Capcom characters are literally being dragged around by the Marvel heroes.

Take pic related as an example of what fanservice actually is. Yes, the worlds are at stake, but they actually take the time to interact with each other because in reality, no one is taking the main plot seriously. Its quirky, its humorous, it gives characters from all 4 companies time to shine. It didn't throw all these characters in some type of Apocalypse war time alliance setting, its a "Okay, you're a good guy, tag along while we travel dimensions, lets go beat some ass and figure whats going on"

>>389447590
It's not fair to compare UMvC3 with it because MvC3's roster fucking sucked it didn't have Strider

>>389447590

It's about as bland as the vanilla mvc3 character select screen.

Also MvC1 had the best character select theme in the series.

>>389447590
I'M UNNA TAKE YOU FOR A RIIIDE
BUH BUH BUDDEH BUDDEH
BEE BEE BEE BEEP - BEE BEE - BEEP

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>>389449468
>>389448665
I know this sounds lame but seriously, am I the only one who thinks MvCI looks better than MvC3?

MvC3 was full of these ps2 tier models and textures yet people only cherry pick the few ones that might have better visuals. The particle effects are also miles better in MvCI, just compare Dr. Strange during gameplay in both games.

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>>389448713
>you are no longer the type of person who the fanservice inside the game is being catered and pandered to.
Bullshit, I'm still just as big of a marvel and capcom fan as always

The difference is
-aesthetics are shit
-magic series implementation removed
-autocombos that are useless for new players but give pros easy execution in the middle of real combos
-roster contains maybe two characters I give a shit about, missing tons of mainstays
-gem and tag system look the opposite of fun
-there's an actual competitor in DBF

>>389447590
Capcom and Marvel are shits in these days, the combination can be good

>>389450004
*can't

>>389449810
we will still have to see how the story will turn out tho

in the newest trailer characters like Dr. Light and Jedah looked just as important storywise as cap or iron ultron

>that tatsunoko Vs Capcom character select when they localised it

What the fuck where they thinking? A fucking wheel?

>>389449923
The mvci models look like a mobile game.

>>389449987
>Claims he is the audience being pandered to (Marvel movie audience)
>Also claims he doesn't like the roster

Congrats you idiot.

>>389449923

People complained when MvC3 first was revealed, but it was a necessary sacrifice for some characters to look shitty for others (Joe and Ammy in particular) to even be possible.

MvC:I gets a bad rap for dialing back on the stylistic elements and going for the realism everyone's sick of at this point, while also putting models primarily viewed from the side in a 2D plane into a 3D environment for the sake of the story mode.

Honestly, you can trace most of the criticisms of Infinite back to an earlier point in the series. (How can you bitch about reused assets in MARVEL VS CAPCOM?)

>>389450053
>Dr. Light
We all know he's just their to explain who and what Sigma is to the group because they don't want to point the camera at X's texture face.

>>389450235
>>389448713
Here, let me help you:

"You are no longer in the target audience"

The way you've written it implies that the target audience is the same and the user has outgrown it.

>>389449987
>Bullshit, I'm still just as big of a marvel and capcom fan as always
I think he meant how it was all about the x-men back then and now it's all about the MCU
>autocombos that are useless for new players but give pros easy execution in the middle of real combos
it's literally the other way around
you won't be doing infinites with the auto combot but it's good for begginers to do them and finish them with a special or super
>-gem and tag system look the opposite of fun
have you seen newer gameplay videos? on paper they might not sound fun but in gameplay they definitely look

>>389450239
I would not bitch aout reused characters as much if the game had most of the characters from 3. Now they're just holding them back for DLC and expansions.

>>389450452
>Now they're just holding them back for DLC

All the DLC characters are new compared to MvC3

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>>389450239
>necessary sacrifice
>all the fun characters
>this fucking guy survives


Combofiend leave

>>389450529

And that's the biggest middle finger of all.

>>389450529
>All the DLC characters are new compared to MvC3
Wave 1 is all new, mainly because they were in the Story mode as nonplayable. We know nothing, you know nothing, about what comes after.

>>389450239
most of MvCI's visual faults were already faults of MvC3, and tho MvC3 had a brand new roster, all other Marvel games reeked of reused assets

Not saying this game will be fantastic but not every game was meant to be a 10/10 masterpiece. I'm still glad we are getting MvCI instead of not gatting any mahvel games for another decade, but people would rather kill it and make the whole series dead than to just recieve a decent game instead of some masterpiece.

Capcom's greed.

>>389449923
You're right but it's not like looking better than mvc3 is an achievement, that game looked like complete ass from day 1.

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Capcom's business strategy.

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Who hyped for the real Capcom fighter? Infinite was just a distraction from the real winner

>>389450708

If this is real, then wow. Fuck you Capcom.

>>389451123
It was from a business meeting afew years ago. After they got "massive" backlash from on-disk DLC. Clearly they didn't learn anything and think DLC is the only way to keep people happy and playing their games.

>>389451330

Well, still. Fuck them for trying again.

>>389451079
never understood the point of puzzle fighters

like you are never even able to see the figures fighting, you constantly have to concentrate on the tetris minigame. What's the fucking point then?

Can't wait to see what Capcom does with MHW

>>389451079
>That fucking soulless art

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>>389447590

The series peaked with MvC2. If Capcom were smart, they would've kept the MvC2 roster and just gradually added to it over time.

>>389448250
>some guy said it was false so that means it's false

Nothing was proven. People can lie, and I wouldn't put it past nu-Disney.

>>389451123
>>389451448
>>389451330
>>389450708
I don't see what's wrong with that plan. It's better than releasing dozen of different iterations of the same like they did with all those Street Fighter game.

>>389451330

What other reason could they keep people playing the same game for a long time, my genius friend?

>>389451123

Would you rather buy Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite next year than just an optional season pass and free balance update for everyone? Because that's what the image is suggesting.

When you start getting to the "Ultras" the sales taper off because the casual audience is sick of buying the same game three times. DLC has a better chance of retention and bringing people back to check the game out, as well as bringing new people in as software prices decrease and DLC catches more attention.

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>>389451685

MvC2 is my favorite fighting game but the roster had way too much bloat and noway all of it should have been kept. especially when they couldn't just reuse the assets going into 3. The problem with infinite in comparison to 2 is at least 2 had the decency to reuse most of the old assets, while infinite is chopping characters up, selling some as DLC, or just straight up dropping people. If you're going to reuse assets, in a fanservice game no less, don't half-ass it

>>389452404

That's your opinion. You call it bloat, other people call it their favorite fighter. By keeping the roaster, they eliminate the possibility of angry fans. It's a smart business strategy, but it was all scrapped because Capcom wanted a new engine.

>>389452583
>By keeping the roaster, they eliminate the possibility of angry fans. It's a smart business strategy

I think more people would be angry that irrelevant garbage like Marrow and Hayato keep getting into games.

>>389450337
>it's literally the other way around
It's SUPPOSED to be the other way around, but the way they've implemented it is wrong.

Marvel Infinite autocombos by themselves do almost no damage but enable pro players to simplify difficult combos.

>have you seen new gameplay?
Yes, and nothing about the defensive tag or gem system look like fun to me. They look like experiments worthy of a XTekken

>>389452935

People wouldn't mind if it was from reusing assets, but he's crazy if he thinks people wouldn't be pissed at characters like servebot, omega red, etc. taking up development time getting new 3d models and movesets.

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>mfw i spend $160 on the game and season pass and it dies in less than a year

>>389448797
Why are tripfags allowed to post

>>389447590
>1, 2, and 3
>produced and designed by pedigreed devs
>infinite
>produced by a random programmer who hadn't done anything since project justice and developed by American FGC members
Gee, I fucking wonder what happened

>>389453132

Servebot is quirky and original and Omega Red is badass. But let's make way for Rocket Raccoon and Shemale Superman.

>>389453373

And if you had to pick between "quirky" servebot and Viewtiful Joe the vast majority is going to pick Joe every goddamn time. Same thing for Omega Red and Marvel.

>>389451537
> What's the fucking point then?
Playing fun Tetris with Mega Man and Chun-Li

>>389447590
Anybody wish we could just get a bigass fighting game with only Marvel characters?

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>>389451079
>we want the Western audience

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>>389447590
>What went wrong?

It's just a marketing job for Marvel.

Capcom but their C-team on it and asked them to rehash as much as possible while trying to make the Marvel side stand out more.

Most of the new characters are Marvel and most of the Marvel characters are from the cinematic universe.

>>389452935
Are you telling me Epencer isn't irrelevant garbage?

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>>389447590
No Arisen with the best theme MvC could ever have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZNbabKjKpA

>>389453753
fuck no marvel character suck so bad they gotta dick ride capcom's game

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https://youtu.be/4PwSo61gaw8
Supers are shit, fuck anyone that says they made the roster smaller because of decision fatigue it's a crossover game the roster needs to be big.

>>389453729
but you never ever watch them especially with how intense the puzzle gameplay is

it's just like playing any other puzzle game

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>Rocket and fucking Groot
Into the trash it goes.

>>389447590
Disney vs Sony owned characters happened

>>389447590
>2017
>Chris still making it and no Leon kicking character

Why can't they use X-men? But everyone else can?

https://youtu.be/UU1KJYjzuSI
https://youtu.be/lVHQdjbds04
https://youtu.be/4QVuFSLQ5kw

>>389454704
I think they can, X-Men films are property of Fox but I think Disney COULD use them in the game but that's just advertising competition.

>>389449071
Exactly, it's not. Remove the DLC next time or mark it as such. Otherwise your Capcom dick sucking is just too evident.

>>389454704

They can use them but it's believed that orders from the top are telling them not to because they don't want x-men to get any recognition or for fox to get any free publicity for their movies. It's also explains why they are killing off x-men in the comics and pushing inhumans so hard

>>389454848
>>389454984
So we can't get extra characters because of a petty rivalry? Why would I even support this game when UMvC 3 fixed everything I hated about MvC3? Infinite is literally pulling a MvC 3.

>>389455294
Because Capcom fucks everything up naturally and Disney being involved just worsens it.
The franchise is fucked.

>>389454853
>exactly
fuck off, it's literally the final roster with the characters everyone know will be dlc, but even if they wouldn't know them, it's still closer to the actual final roster than than the pic you've shitposted for some easy bait.

>>389454984

Jokes on them, everything they do with Inhumans bombs.

>>389451808
>nu-Disney

It's the same Disney.

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>>389455437
The one OP showed is the Final Roster, those DLC characters are just small add-ons to it. I still won't forgive them for putting story mode characters as day one DLC.

>>389455437
Most people don't appreciate them locking important story characters (and newcomers) behind DLC. Fuck off. The only one shit posting is the one who freaks out when they are told they should mark the DLC characters as DLC characters but you know if you did that your image would just make capcom look like nuclear kikes.

>>389447590
Literally not just making it Street Fighter vs Marvel

>>389456056
>>389455595
>OP posts the 20 character demo roster while the actual roster has 10 more characters
>calls OP out and posts the real roster
>REEE you haven't marked the dlc, you are worse than OP reee

OP took the time to make that image. He knew exactly it's a fucking bait, yet you are defending his shitposting.

>>389447590
>>389447862
This. Marlel/ Disney ruined their own shit by shoving MCU everywhere

>>389456741
It's not bait, just remove the 6 characters you added because they're on disc DLC

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>>389447590
A crossover sells to me when I see a characters I like be playable characters. My previous main Nova returned and I've always liked Ultron but jesus christ are the voices and visuals so uninteresting. Gonna wait for the anime MvC2

>>389456741
Character size is meh, more will be released later.

what I want to know is what the fuck is wrong with their faces

>>389456973
>Literally one new character

>>389451079
Capcom needs to go bankrupt ASAP

>>389457986
As long as they keep making Monster Hunter and Resident Evil, they won't.

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>>389457382
I love UNI too much to care about RWBY and the others. A franchise I care about made it into a crossover when I thought it was way too fucking obscure to ever be recognized.

>>389458031
Not when they cannibalize their audience with different games

>>389458134
>Not when they cannibalize their audience with different games
What does this even mean?

>>389449987
>gem and tag system look the opposite of fun
>not playing Marvel Super Heroes where a similar gem system is implemented but somehow manages to be fun
kek. underage

>>389447590
They turned it into MUGEN, and people liked it so much that they couldn't go back to making it a good game.

>>389458331
Monster Hunter exists only for console wars arguments now.

>>389451685
>The series peaked with MvC2.

No, the series peaked with MvC1 (the series being Xmen COTA, MSH, Xmen vs SF and Marvel vs SF).

MvC2 was broken junk.

>>389458615
>MVC1 wasn't broken

>>389458704
not as broken as 2.

>>389447590
Greed and Money.

>>389458787
MVC2 is freeform jazz

>>389458848
well, you're not wrong.

>>389455294
>So we can't get extra characters because of a petty rivalry?

You underestimate how petty comic companies are. Back when a judge voted that Jerry Siegel's estate had the rights for Superman and Superboy, they proceeded to phase out EVERY super character from the books - Superman was retired for some bullshit reason I don't remember (depowered, or out in space in New Krypton), and he was replaced by Mon-El who conveniently had the same powers and wore a "S" patch on his suit. Superboy was killed. And so on.

Same for Marvel, they have silently killed all Fantastic Four books due to movie rights, and they are putting the X-men through so much dirt I can't even follow what's going on anymore.

>>389458704
All Capcom games are broken, but MvC2 literally had all the sprites they had showed into a game with zero consideration of balance.

>>389458993
Which is why it works so well. The answer to crazy shit is different crazy shit.

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>>389447590
last image not complete, comparing ultimate version.

>>389447590
>every Marvel character except Captain Marvel and Nova are all ripped straight from the MCU

Why did they do this?

>>389458993
the most played characters I often see on arcades are Cable (terribly broken and OP), Storm, Sentinel, Magneto, and Iron Man. Literally a rotation of any of these characters.

>>389458593
That's not capcom's fault that their fans are retards.
Or poor.

>>389459149
About that...

>>389459149

Because this game is just an advertisement for the movies.

>>389459083
>Which is why it works so well.

There are 5 characters out of a roster of 56 who are played all the time, and they can infinite air juggle everyone. The game boils down to whoever gets the first hit in.

That doesn't work well IMO.

>>389451582
>>389453764
The Canadian team who made that dead rising sequel made this

>>389448060
Did people really believe a reddit post? This was also proven false with the fact the marvel side also looked ugly. Literally half the vets of both sides looked like shit & the ones that recently got fixed are only the Capcom side.

>>389459328

That's not true. MvC2 is more of a reset game than infinite game. The only character that is notorious for getting infinited if sentinel, but he is so good it doesn't matter.

Yeah the balance is bad for the most part but the game still has a bunch of varied and interesting playstyles. Mags, storm, sent, and cable are just superior

>>389459619
any player that tries a different set of characters rather than the those five against someone who uses those are more often than not gets their ass handed to them

>>389451079
I'm fine with it on Mobile, tile matching games are dying in console, & it looks like it plays well, like MvCi, hell, it has a better roster. The real problem is the art style.

>>389459752
That doesn't even factor in characters like Psylocke who are useful as fuck for their assists.

>>389450192
What fucking mobile games have you played?

>>389447862
>>389448060
>>389456831
Disney bought Marvel years before MVC3 came out. It also doesn't excuse the horrendous visuals and dlc practices.

>>389459752

Sent, strider, doom competes well against every team in the game

>>389459826
Read
>>389459389

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>>389451808
>>some guy said it was false so that means it's false
Hypocrite, the guy who came up with the rumour in the first place also had no evidence and just asked people to trust him.

It's false because the Marvel characters also look like shit.

>>389460025
>cherry picking horrible art styles
Bendis please

>>389448758
>that's literally what the Avangers or every Marvel crossover is about tho.
Clearly not considering they're far better received than the embarassingly bad SFV and MVCI demo story mode which is far more forced.

This game is gonna bomb isn't it?

>>389460107
Avengers Assemble and Ultimate Spider-Man were trash.

>>389460096
what the fuck are you talking about.

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>>389447590
´rrican art style won

>>389460181
I don't even know what those are lmao

>>389460023
I already read it. You can't do much to screw up a puzzler. It plays the same rules as Puzzle Fighter 2, just so happens to be on phone. I hate DR4 but this FREE game looks fun. Not like I'm gonna pay actual money.

in all seriousness, who's still gonna play this?
after it goes on sale

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>>389449923
Ryu maybe, definetely not Dante or Chun or Rocket or Dreadlocks.

>>389452110
>it's not bad because what they used to do 2 decades ago was worse

>>389454984
>It's also explains why they are killing off x-men in the comics

They've been doing that for years because the concept of X-Men fucks up everything else.

>>389460130
Hell no.

>>389460130
there are still a lot of fightanfags that are gonna eat this up. probably not

>>389460130
the fgg is sucking this game's cock too much and defending it against DBZ FighterZ for that to happen.

>>389460310
It doesn't look like the American cartoon though. Just going by Morrigan's face, features are much softer and desaturated.

>>389451079
>Chuck Greene
What are they trying to tell us, /v/?

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>>389448609
Why was this allowed?

>>3894475
Capcom

>>389461726
I would count Thanos as a new character as well, because he has a completely diff moveset from 2.

Also, Sigma & Black Pantther

>>389462450
>day 1 paid dlc
kek.

>>389462546
New, Playable DLC characters don't count as new characters?

>>389462681
Becaus it's the base roster only, not what capjew is trying to force out of you with some extra bucks at launch.

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>>389451079
I'd rather have a new Pocket Fighter. Not on mobile, though. Maybe as a PSN/XBLA/eShop/Steam game.

>>389449923
is that Goro Daimon?

>>389463059
It would be doomed to fail, except maybe if it was on Switch, but even then Capcom would have to lower expectations even more than they did with USF2. I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. It's only really bittersweet because of the jank artstyle. I can only hope it plays well, & after seeing how it plays, i'll give it a try. I still won't pay a penny though.

>>389460447
3/4 got fixed. Dante & Chris look better & Chun is significantly improved.

>>389448060
>there are people this fucking stupid
>especially when Rocket and Captain America are the two worst looking characters in the game
wew lad

>>389447590
>full game
>full game
>full game
>game still getting changes
k lol

>>389448060
the guy literally said the only reason X looks good is because disney is producing a mega man cartoon by man of action, the cartoon is on cartoon network he lcould not fact check his lies

>>389462450
>Also, Sigma & Black Pantther
Not base roster

>>389447590
>say its a celebration of all parts of the marvel brand movies comics and shows
>everything is based on the mcu
>the only thing not based on the mcu are the costumes which are based on the recent tv shows besides Gamora, Doctor stange, Rocket, and Nova

they should have just said this game is based on the mcu

>>389450239
>2D plane into a 3D environment for the sake of the story mode.
thats not really fair to say when every other fighter that has a story mode does the same thing and the models look fine, its just the capcom devs were lazy and did not try to make the models look good in all angles

>>389454848
its been what almost a whole year, its not disney its Ike the kike who has FULL CONTROL ON EVERYTHING BUT THE FILMS. He decided no x-men he was the one who demanded the event to kill the x-men and replace them with the inhumans and he was the one who said the FF can not be in the comics anymore

>>389447590
You could argue characters and theme.

I remember being a kid in the 90s, the X-men and Spiderman cartoons were huge.
There was a lot more emphasis on those characters, what with COTA and x-men vs street fighter and Marvel Super Heroes.

I think the theme of the game fell apart in MVC3, which felt like Marvel were trying to push different characters? Not sure.
It felt like Capcom too was trying to push in darker characters, that they thought would match Marvel.
Not a big fan of the line-up, and I hated the comic book type face. These are all problems without even going into mechanics.

Infinite looks bad. It looks like a progression on from 3's mindset. Marvel cinematic universe, and trying to force in Ms Marvel as what they wanted as their new progressive figurehead of the company. So forced.

Capcom's characters also have very little body variation. Aside from Arthur, X and Zero, they're all of average height more or less. No bigger types like zangief.
Hell, Venom was over exagerated, and the COTA sprites had a ton of fun variety.

Fuck it. We're spoilt for choice these days. I'm going to be diving into Dragon Ball Fighterz.

SFV looked awful too, I avoided that like the plague. All these weird, rushed decisions that look like they were made by commitee

>>389447590
3D was a mistake.
Also no X-Men.

>>389464010
but then we got shit like spencer and frank who look like garbage

>>389465185
Sorry, I wrote this forgetting about Haggar and the new characters.
OP you fool! Update your image.
It still doesn't make things much better. I guess Gamorah is a bona fide QT

I have a question, why does everyone act like Jedah had blood in his moves, besides his decapitation push block all his moves uses purple, even his contract was black ink and the person slammed into it red. So am I just playing a censored game or are people lying?

>>389465284
True. Tony & some other vets looks meh too, & that's marvel's side. Funny how the Newcomers look good.

>>389465238
It's possible to have a no X-men no FF rep cast that's good. We've all done it. Marvel just failed at it. It needs to be something like Avengers Alliance or Ultimate Alliance.

>>389465857
I wish people still mocked the games models as they did when chun li was shit, now that they fixed her to many people think the rest will be fixed too so most stopped mocking capcom. so now I get stuck with another game where frank looks like ass, captain america looks like a liefeild picture, but they fixed chun li dante and chris so I should be happy

>>389465581
Nostalgia

>>389464629
>everything is based on the mcu
Not true. Only Rocket is.

>>389466143
but in the old games besides the contract he always used purple

>>389466184
avengers tower is only from the movies, the dark dimension looks different in the comics. basically all the stages are based on the mcu version of the locations, while the characters are based on the cartoons, not one thing is based on the comics

>>389465185
>trying to force in Ms Marvel
Ms Marvel (Carol) was actually consistantly in top 3 requested DLC Marvel characters for UMvC3. Her having a movie & being pushed now is just a bonus but she was likely to be in a 4th game anyway because of those polls.

>>389466475
Characters are based on comics. Captain America is the only questionable one. & I already talked about Rocket.
>Hawkeye
Which is based on the Ultimateverse Hawkeye & Factions Hawkeye, which is just ultimateverse hawkeye with the proper purple color.

>>389447814
Disney need Xmen to die to buy them cheap

>>389466920
not really, I can explain how each and every costume is more or less based on the recent cartoons in detail based on the inconsistencies of the deign compared to the comics, but if I did you would just call it autism.

compared to mvc3 where every costume was completely based on the comics at the time.

for example, doctor strange in umvc3 was a perfect recreation of his look. in mvci they kept they do use his current look but keep the grey on the sides of his head which he did not have while wearing that costume, hawkeyes kneepads are not from the comics, iron mans armor is not from the comics, and so on and so on

>>389465581
A mixture of things depending on settings and dipswitch settings. Was blood red in Japanese arcade release, and varied from that and a glowing magenta in subsequent releases. The color here definitely has more blueness than previous ones though.

Jedah is still a really amazing conversion of how he moved in his home series, so it isn't much of an issue.

>>389447862
>>389448060
>Still blaming Disney for Marvel's state

The current state that Marvel is in (apart from Marvel Studios which abandoned Marvel for Disney) is all Marvel's fault and fault alone.

>>389454704
>Why can't they use X-men? But everyone else can?
Rumor has it MvCI started development before Marvel laxed the X-men in games rule and mobile development is much faster than MvCI would be.

I highly doubt X-men won't be DLC in this game, especially given how public the backlash is.

>>389461726
you should count Thanos too

Ironically that's still more new assets than what MvC2 had, especially considering that the other characters all got at least a few new moves too.

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will this be fixed

>>389470378
the latter design also exist tho, I doubt they will "fix" it

>>389470829
only in the rami films and still not really it is just capcom being lazy

>>389452404
Never cared much for fighting games but damn did I love the art style of MvC2 back when I saw it on arcade cabinets at movie theaters.

>>389471312
Spiderman's new lv3 ultimate is a rami film reference tho

MvC > MvC3 > MvC2 > MvC:I.

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>>389447590
This is the real launch roster. Hope they will change the UI

Everyone is bitching about the lack of new assets but the game will actually have a similar amount of new assets as MvC3 had, just a lot of them are spent on the story mode. I know it's cold comfort but everyone wanted a story mode back then for MvC3 and when it didn't get it the casuals also bitched a lot that there is no single player content.

>>389471454
so what why should I settle for a recolor thats not even the rami version just similar when I can have the iconic symbiote suit instead. Do not defend laziness

>>389470378
>posting this in every thread
Dude let it go, this has been an alternate take on the black suit for over a decade now.

>>389471989
Fighting games shouldn't even have story modes until they've figured out a way to use the system they have to make a good single player game. As things stand they're just trying to be something they're not
>There will never be a god hand esque single player campaign for tekken

>ok
>ok
>OK
>BRRRRR

>>389459210
Nova is getting a movie?

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>>389471989
>the game will actually have a similar amount of new assets as MvC3 had

BULL FUCKING SHIT

Only reused assets in MVC3 are from Tatsunoko:

- Ryu
- Chun Li
- Morrigan
- Viewtiful Joe
- Zero

They are almost 1 for 1 of their tatsunoko character, with about as much change as the MVC Infinite cast gets, 1 new move and maybe a new/changed super.

Outside of that some smaller assets were reused
- Pic related, Saki's level 3 is reused exactly for Trish's
- Casshan's Dog animations were reused for Amaterasu
- While Frank West was revamped completely as a character, a lot of animations and moves were taken from TvC

Now lets say you're a stickler, you think that completely remaking the characters that appeared in the previous 2D games in 3D game and engine are still reused assets to some degree despite being made from the ground up. We won't even count Akuma/Hseinko/Jillbecause they were in older 2D games. In that case MVC3 VANILLA still brought

- 17 BRAND NEW characters (deadpool, Dormammu, MODOK, Phoenix, She-hulk, SuperSkrull, Taskmaster, Thor, X-23, Wesker, Ammy, Arthur, Chris, Dante, Haggar, Spencer, Trish)

36 Character cast before DLC that had 17 new characters that weren't in any fighting game before.

Ultimate then bumped that up with 11 more brand new (not counting Strider) to make it a massive 48 characters with 28 newcomers.

FUCK YOU, MVC INFINITE IS NOTHING BUT MCU JERKOFF + REUSED ASSETS + JEDAH

>>389447590
Capcom and Disney aren't chill like in 200

>>389474889
His dog is shaped like a Friender!

>>389474889
as I said most of the new assets are spent on the story mode. You know, it will have boss battles like that venom creature or the Monster Hunter one or Ultron-sigma or who knows who and many side characters with more stages than in the vs mode and what lse. They are just not in the VS mode, which is a shame, but actually the game won't have less new assets.

Fight game devs have become lazy and used shitty excuses to cover their asses. It's a shame how the latest version of each fight game gets less and less characters.

>>389472282
>for over a decade
2 times, once in the rami film where it made sense because the symbiote was given webbing so it looked better in the film, fans hated it
spectacular spider man did it because of a random decision.

EVERY OTHER VERSION IS THE CLASSIC SUIT. But just so we are clear we can complain about chun lis ugly face but can not complain about how instead of giving us the real symbiote suit which makes sense for him to have because the symbiotes in this game are shown not to have the webbing, I have to accept a lazy recolor because the rami movies did it and the fans hated it then as well?

can you explain your retarded logic?

>>389447590
Nothing, just a regular changing of the guard.
The decline in quality was quick, but expected and Arcsys is literally the hen that lays golden eggs for like the last 5 years and can do no wrong.

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>>389472282
not the guy who posted it but wasn't it only in the rami film that it looked like that? and I remember how ever casual fans hated on it because the cartoon had the original look

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>>389476041
>poorly detailed ultron drones, xgardians, and symbiotes that only have like 2 moves and are really just cannon fodder while reusing moves from other characters

>Boss characters
Yeah MVC3 had Galactus. Are you honestly trying to compare the bare bones "story villains" along with 2 extra bosses to 17 new characters as well as the assets that had to be remade from the ground up (Capt, Iron man, etc)?

When 80% of the roster is just copypasted from UMVC3 and Gamora and Captain Marvel already take moves from other characters, can you really compare the 2?

The story mode is literally the 8 stages, some shitty cutscenes (which PALE in comparison the MVC3 intro:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCxjuXre3Dw ) and 3 BIG BOSSES along with some fodder.

Its not even fucking close.

>>389476756
willing to spend over $60 on DLC characters total?

>>389456973
I might be reading the credits incompletely but why does the bottom right copyright list RWBY as existing since 2004

>>389476453
Lol yea you definitely don't play fighting games faggot, stick to ultimate alliance

Disney happened.

But Crapcom has been pretty incompetent lately too.

>>389447590
Just wait till the ultra pussy slayer edition comes out and it's good to go again.

>>389447590
they don't a fuck ton of characters from different games from the same or similar engines to pull from and barely balance

>>389447590
DBZF.

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>>389476756
>CAPCOM BOSS COMES IN
>HOLY SHIETU WE NEED YOU TO FIX GAME

RULES: NO X-MEN, NO FANTASTIC FOUR. (SKRULL WORKS BECAUSE POWERS ARE NOT OWNED BY FOX, AND SKRULL IS GOING TO BE MRS. MARVEL MOVIE)
KEEP IT CINEMATIC AND REMEMBER TO INCLUDE ONE SFV REP.

>>389477026
:V

>>389477058
Disney shills at it again

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>>389447814

X23/Psylocke would be a hot team

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For shits n' giggles here is Marvel Vs Capcom 2 EX

>No characters past the year 2001.
>REUSE THEM OL' CAPCOM ASSETS.

>>389477014
>Gamora and Captain Marvel already take moves from other characters
literally only one faggot was spouting that shit and he was already debunked
>The story mode is literally the 8 stages
the vs mode has 8 stages, the story mode will probably have more since even the demo had another stage that isn't selectable

as for the rest we still don't know what's the full content of the story will be. Not saying it will be some ground breaking but it will surely have more stuff than what we've already seen in the demo and probably won't just have 2 bosses.

Also lot of characters got multiple new moves. Just the transition from light-medium-heavy attacks to 2punch 2 kick made a lot of little changes for several characters.

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>>389447862
>disney
>not just saying Jews
/thread

>>389447590
they want to go back to there "roots"

>>389477658
>the story mode will probably have more since even the demo had another stage that isn't selectable
Just like how the story has characters that aren't playable. enjoy those dlc stages

>>389477940
the stages are playable tho in the story mode

>>389477658
But gamora literally has Deadpool's air guns, weskers samurai edge (animations and all), and zero's clone super

While captain marvel has Phoenix's absorption field and wolverines drill claw.

Then the stones are all stolen from missing UMVC3 characters
- time = Wesker teleport
- space = Magento attraction
- reality = Phoenix homing fire shot
- power = she-hulk wall bounce
- mind = she-hulk command grab

Haven't seen soul properly but the description is health drain, which would just be taken from shuma gorath

>>389460025
no they don't. gamora and ms marvel looked fine which made the ugly chun and morrigan models very jarring.

also funny how they 'fixed' only chun's face while everyone else on capcom side still looks fucking hideous and unfinished.

>>389464010
chris does not look better and morrigan still looks terrible as do all the cartoony characters.

The voice acting is what's the most painful here.

They all sound phoned and lacking direction.

Dante is most evident of these with "ashes to ashes, dust to dust!"

These lines sound like they were all done in just 1 take

>>389478471
Not sure about Gamora but for Captain Marvel there was a frame by frame comparsion posted in a thread that showed that these are not the same animations, but just similar poses.

Pretty sure that's also the case with similarities like Gamora's air guns since Deadpool's moves are in general more exeggerated.

>>389476756
Its alright, but I'd personally replace Asura with Gene, Lady with Nero, C Viper with Juri, and trish with literally anyone else.
Also fuck akuma matata.

>>389479209
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, but Marvel literally has absorption field and the drill claw (6 axis 1 hit stun move) in her arsenal.

See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4CCgaQs_Lc

Gamora does wesker's animation for samurai edge lower when doing her gun move, and even if they change the animation a little, she still is doing a downward angle shot like samurai edge and jumping gun move like deadpool in mashup moveset like fashion similar to Taskmaster.

Marvel has always been broken as shit, so why include characters nobody will play?

>>389480232
I'm just saying that these are not actually reused animations but just similar looking ones.

They are not the exact same if you actually compare them, they just do similar poses and might fill similar functions.

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>>389480120
Litterally only reason I left Trish in was because I thought: "Wouldn't it be easier to just port the left over MvC3 crew? They have all move sets and animations?" Same thing with C. Viper. Wish that was the SFIV rep in MvC3.

Nudge Nudge Capcom. Put Atamarasu, Tron Bonne, Phoenix Wright and Viewtiful Joe back in you fucking cunts.

Gene I would've said at the time of MvC3, but too much time has passed for me to say he'd be my first pick.
Neroe would be pretty rad, but I wanted Lady. Because she's sexually attractive.

why is kappa allowed to post on /v/

>>389477058
>caring about characters you like and how lazy capcom is being after showing that the previous entry they did it right

sounds like capcoms cock is in your mouth

>>389447590
3D

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>>389480637
>they just do similar poses and might fill similar functions.

Holy fucking shit, I thought they were joking when they said Capcbros would actually defend and parrot Combofiend.

They are no different than the sight difference between akuma and Ryu animations having slightly more aggression put into them despite being the same "poses and similar functions" for akuma.

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>characters with entirely different skeletons recycling animations
why is kappa so retarded

>>389483001
You've never played tekken I take it nor have any idea how animation works do you?.

>>389484597
I have played Tekken and I absolutely do know how animation works.

Try to make an argument next time.

>>389476756
>>389477563
>>389478267
>>389478360
wanna know how you can get all these characters without ever giving Capcom a dime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=motZCEjxWFo

>>389485865
>being this mexican

>>389481496
Ryu and Akuma do work differently though. Even at the lowest level you can see how their fireballs work differently and Akuma's stuff like demon flip and sgs.

>>389477253
Super Skrull is actually owned by Fox. The race itself isn't.

>>389471989
Frank, what the fuck happened to you?

>>389478267
where did you find those sprites, anon?

>>389447590
MvC2's sprites are 99% reused from across nearly a decade-worth of games so of course it's got a million characters, most of the graphics are already made.

Ultron-Σ is a cool name.

>>389486587
A shit ton of browsing.

>>389486408
Oh shit really? Fuck. That would've been a great work-around.
I am anger.

>>389485865
Quality over quantity friend.

>>389476756
give me a classic mega man rep I am already pissed enough the x series got fucking 3

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>>389486715

>>389487264
My ideal images is always:
Mega Man - Classic
Zero - X
Tron Bonne - Legends

Anything else is extra. While Bass.exe would be neat, I don't think it's necessary.

>>389471989

Is it me or is this roster just fucking weak?

>>389487264
You can't have Zero's boyfriend without Zero

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Made an update.

Here's my ideal Mugen Game. With polls directing the next character after this base roster of course.

>>389451079
T H

>>389487453
I agree though if we had infinite resources I would do
Mega Man - Classic
Zero - X
Tron Bonne - Legends
Bass.exe- battle network
Harpnote- starforce
Copy X- Zero

that way you hit all the notes a mega man, a rival, a roll, an edgy fan favorite, and tron bonne

the only other way I would like it is

Roll - Classic
Zero - X
Volnutt - Legends
bass.exe- battle network
Queen Ophiuca star force

>>389487637
yes you can quite easily actually, tatsunoko did it and no one complained about the lack of X, the only reason people wanted x in mvc3 was because there was no mega man period

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WHERES VENOM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389488037
>picking the best roll
my nigga

>>389488037
You have it backwards.

>>389488304
how? Zero is the better rep for the series then x, and people only complained about the lack of X in mvc3 because tvc had a mega man so there only excuse in tvc for wanting him is fanboyism

>>389488102

DLC.

>>389447590
The worst crossover ever made. Sega just stop making games.

>>389487453
Splash Woman, Iris or Layer, Sol Titanion, Tron Bonne

>>389447590

>people bitching about the size of Infinites roster
>conveniently forgetting that MvC1 is small in comparison

Are gamers truely more entitled than ever?

>>389488664
Exactly. Because X was forced in due to people complaining about him not being in MVC3 despite being a supporting member of the more popular and distinct character Zero's story.

>>389489046
all I am saying is X brings nothing to the table that classic could do even armor upgrades were in the classic series. so X is not needed unless you have a major hard on for X zero has a more interesting moveset from the x series so he is the better character. but of course we need X because he is the main character

>>389489256
why put in regular megaman when he is literally a shittier version of X?
especially his MVC version with the garbage ball from 8.

>>389478650
Not true. They fixed Chris and Dante (a little bit).

>>389447590
>What went wrong?
capcom's decline, nu-males and progressiveness killing video games

>>389489367
Megaman was a mistake. Literally every other main character and quite a few secondary ones do more interesting stuff than their respective series' blue robot guy.

>>389447590

3 had awful screechy music, that shit was wrong

People will still buy it and defend it

>>389487752
Awful

>>389488947
>fourth game in the series has a roster similar to the first game and less than every other game

Yeah, no reason to complain there, it's not like people want their games to advance and become better with each game.

>>389490075
>more characters=better
lmao
stick to mugen

>>389487752
How is it even possible to make such a shitty roster?

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>>389490181
>includes every main character from each capcom series and fan favorites

lol ok

>>389490075

>more characters = better
Go to another genre please, Marvel 2 was only so big because it was an accumulation of everything over almost a 5-10 year period. It's also broken as shit, sure it had a competitive scene but even then, its almost as bad as Smash when it comes to bans and other rules

>>389490075
Except 2 was Mugen the game. It's music would get repetitive afterwards, a lot of it's stages were stale, & the only draw to it is 'mommy mommy, look at all those reused assests.' People hated 3 because it wasn't 2 yet it was the one game that truly had the most work into, even when it reused some assests from Tatsunoko. Infinite is literally 2 all over again roster wise (not in size but in laziness), but the real reason the roster is so appalling to others is not the size, but how underwhelming it is.
More characters does not equate to a better title.

>>389491225

MvC2 doesn't have any bans or "other rules" and the balance is pretty much on par with every other fighting game from that era

>>389491759
>and the balance is pretty much on par with every other fighting game from that era
LMAO

>>389490128
in marvel vs capcoms case yes, more characters is better. the biggest reason to play it has always been the roster.

>>389492180
nope.

>>389492167

>about as good if not better than 3rd strike
>better than KoF98
>not sure about tekken

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>>389491759
Now I know you're making excuse, because that's bullshit.

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>>389492398
You managed to name two games from a time where companies churned out the most insane amounts of fighting games.

Stop.

>>389492509

I'm not going to go down the list for all the imbalanced clusterfucks that were churned out in the late 90s/early 00s. 3rd strike and MvC2 had the biggest scenes so clearly balance wasn't that great of an issue

>>389492783
What does scene size have to do with balance you goalpost moving fucktard?

>>389492962

there is nothing wrong about the statement "MvC2's balance being similar to that of most fighting games from that era"

Did Spidey always have that web zip? I didn't play him much in 3, but I remember in 2 all he had was the web swing.

>>389493157
there is absolutely everything wrong with that statement.

>>389493218
He had jizz ball in MvC2

>>389493251

sure thing buddy. Let's hear 2 some of these amazingly balanced games from that era

>MSH vs SF literally the worst case of reusing assests poorly
>MvC2 another case with the only reason people suck it's dick is because it's Mugen
>MvCi does a MSH vs SF all over again
>People seem to forget the other 2 messes
Bravo /v/ Bravo.

>What went wrong

This: https://youtu.be/VWA4Vu_I_Ck#t=02m30s

>>389493784
You didn't have to pay for shit arcade game's base, the arcades did so you could just put 50 cents and call it trash. Current games are 60$ forced to start the game.

>>389489637
>implying Vergil's theme isn't the GOAT

>Everything was better in 1 & 3.
>2 had the least interesting everything
>Mugen the game is more beloved than the games with more effort
Holy shit the taste is bad.
Hell, MvC1 had only 2 X-Men characters but Infinite is the one where everyone goes ballistic? I get peoples points & all but the Mutant complaint is incredibly stupid. I do agree that it could've been better.

>>389447590
I don't care about the roster, but how could they botch the character select screen this badly?

>>389494826
Most of the assist characters from Marvel side were X-Men related characters. Also Ultimate Marvel Versus Capcom 3 was fucking awful mechanically.

>>389495187
& 2 wasn't? Also, really don't count the assists because you don't play them.

>>389495187

there was nothing wrong with 3 mechanically outside of x-factor

>>389495410
>Everything was better in 3

>>389495490
>Touch of Death: The Game

What did they mean by this?

>>389495963
Resets are lame

>>389495747
I didn't say that, 2 has a fuck load of problems. 3 also had some problems, though that was mainly the X factor mechanic.
>>389495963
Not him but, 2 is also 'Touch of Death: The Game' Did you forget?

>>389495963

that's a balance issue not a mechanical issue. Wolverine doing 70% damage with a basic magic series is fucking bullshit

>>389496119
More like "Touch of hit the other guy with a bullshit mixup in the air again to avoid dropping from dizzy and reset scaling or do stupid amounts of chip damage while running away and building meter."

>>389496119

2 actually had very little ToDs. It's a reset heavy game. It usually took 2-3 combos to kill

>>389495963
>what's is the neutral game

>>389495963
MvC3: guess wrong 3 times and you lose
>omg so broken

Street fighter V: guess 3 times and you lose
>Omg so deep, truly le enlightened gentlemen's chess game