post artificial difficulty

all classic megaman games

You start first, OP.

>>389411159
Sonic 1

man she's so cute <3

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obligatory

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>>389411372
All of the moving platform segments just after this are ten times more terrible

Explain how difficulty can be artificial.

>>389411159
Eggete is almost as bad as the Wendys meme

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>>389411159
How are so many people so bad at Sonic games?

Is this your first "classic" Sonic game?
Is your reaction speed that slow?
Are you stupid?

>>389411627
You mean Omelette?

>>389411372
that's not the entirety of S1's Labyrinth Zone

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>>389411159
What are some organic games?

>>389411395
Git gud, scrub.

I'm a legally defined retard and even I found the boss in OP image easy

>>389411159
>fight this boss
>fling myself and literally go right through it and hit the spikes
I beat it eventually but what the fuck

Post real difficulty

>>389411159
>A giant bumper that'll knock me around! Gee, I better not jump into with spikes around!
>Oh look, a spinning pole for me to propel myself into eggman and thus propelling him into the spikes! I better not slam into those spikes, though!

Artificial difficulty means theres no way to beat the section/boss/level/etc even with common sense, deduction, etc. You clearly lack this ability. Git gud.

>>389411326
Post egg-niece

>>389412193
most rogue likes, and puzzle games.

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Literally impossible.

>>389411745
fucking this. depth perception is literally impossible in this fucking game.
whoever made this shit needs to learn how2gamedesign

>>389411159
I literally never had problems with this boss
the octopus on the other hand...

>>389412193
Bloodborne.

>>389412226
>Knock Eggman into the spikes
>Hit doesn't trigger
>Hit will only trigger if you hit eggman with a spindash or the pole while he is at a VERY specific height
>Despite the fact that visually he clearly collided with the spikes
THATS why the fight was artificial difficulty

I love Mania but it doesn't really have good bossfights.

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>>389411372
>>389411458
You know you can skip that section multiple ways, right?
>Green
If you hit the Speed Booster up there and jump at the circle, you should make it up past the platforms.
>Purple
If you trigger the water, you can spindash-jump on the double helix to fly out of the water.

There's also a high route that never even goes near that area.

>>389412226
no its artificial difficulty because the hitbox is fucked up

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>>389411491
Kinda hard to explain but it's basically forced difficulty that's forced and isn't an accurate representation of skill. Am example would be this green star in Mario galaxy 2. This is difficult because missing the star means you doe and have to start the segment over again but it's also artificial difficulty because this area lacks depth perception and you can't really tell how far you need to juml to get the green star.

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>Played C&C Renegade recently
>Decide to give hard difficulty a go

I understand the game was the first FPS made by this company and I'll give them credit for that. It is not bad by any means but their lack of experience shows. The final boss was pretty bad and a weird mix of artificial difficulty and a pushover.

>Boss fight starts
>There are 3 invisible enemies with laser rifles and all 3 can get a cheap shot on you for massive damage
>Boss is being constantly healed by 2 enemies
>There is barely any cover for you to use
>Even at max health and armor the laser enemies alone will take away a lot of your health leaving you almost near dead

Eventually I found a way to kill the boss but having player lose 90% of their health at the beginning of a fight with no way to avoid this is the definition of unfair and artificial difficulty. Fun game though.

This boss wasn't really hard at all, it took me two tries

>>389413206
>two tries
>not owning it like a boss on your first try
Shameful.

>>389411159
But that boss is super easy

>>389412430
That's because if you hit him immediately after he drops he'll hit the floor before he hits the spike wall and for a hit to register he has to hit the spike wall directly. I'll give you that it looks close enough for a hit, but I assume the hurtbox resets after he touches the floor. Still, not a hard thing to adapt to.

Why does the metal sonic boss fight not get more shit?

The silver sonic part is annoying as shit. Sometimes he rocket thrusts instead of spindashing which just wastes time. Sometimes he disappears off screen when you hit him in spin dash instead of coming back down to give you another chance to hit him right. Sometimes he actually does come back down, but after another silver sonic has spawned.

>>389413845
>Hitting the spikes
>Not taking a hit
There isn't any defending this anon, stop.

>>389414245
The Silver Sonic part is easy as fuck, just spindash into him as soon as he starts a spindash from the center, otherwise jump him and wait for Metal Sonic to spawn another. I've never missed this way.

>>389411159
Nigga most of the sonic bosses are easy as fuck as long as you don't lose your coins

>>389414514
>as soon as he starts a spindash from the center

It's contingent on this right? Because just hitting him any time sometimes he'll hit metal sonic but most of the time he won't. Still not good boss design either way because this is cheese. I'd rather just have the chance to hit spinning silver sonic more often and it would be fine.

>>389414361
Yeah, its a flaw, but that alone may be the tamest example of artificial difficulty since its fucking easy to adapt to. You can still get two hits per spike wall and dodging his energy shots is not that hard.

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>>389411714
fun fact: every person (I'm not exaggerating, literally everyone) who didn't grow up with the classic Sonic games is terrible at them. Like ridiculously fucking awful. You either "get" sonic or you don't

>>389412409
Maybe you should just stick to games with less depth to them.

>>389415643
This isn't even Sonic at this point, I've seen "knock boss into hazard to damage" bosses in hundreds of different games of all varieties it's ridiculous.

>>389411372
this' sonic 2 stuff...

I'm sure you've mastered it in Sonic 2. Right anon?

>>389415224
I don't know that it's bad design. It's just a matter of timing, like most of the bosses in Sonic.

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>>389411372
>artificial difficulty thread
>posts a casual filter
kek

>>389416298
classic sonic IS casual filter. Why do you think so many ecelebs shat on them before mania came out?

>>389411372
I hated playing this game as a kid because the drowning theme really scared me.

>>389412432
>There's also a high route that never even goes near that area.

?

Looks like all the routes converge there, head upwards, heads left, then upwards again, then heads right to the boss.

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>>389412228

>>389415643
I never got to play Sonic until the Adventure series.
I'm good at the 3D games, kinda, but I suck at any of the 2D ones.

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>>389411326
The cutest.

>>389416298
>name is Knuckles, doesn't chuckle
>literally his first appearance he was chuckling like a mad man
What did Sega mean by this?

>>389411159
The only examples are shit like rubber banding in racing games. People who call someone annoying artificial difficulty are wrong and dumb, we should make a new word for them, like wrong-dumb or wrodumb.

>>389411159
This boss is easy anon.

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>>389416478
That image doesn't have all the routes.

>>389411159
Was this actually considered difficult? You spin on the pole and jump off...

inb4 some fag tries to force Captain Vidya again

>>389417753
They already did, except this time waifufags did it.

>>389414361
It legitimately took me two tries

>>389418245
It took me two tries too, doesn't mean it wasn't designed poorly

>>389411372
Press the jump button dude.

>>389416713
>>389416490
Someone explain this meme. I thought it was a misunderstood sprite but I'm not seeing her in that sprite at all

>>389415643
I was born 1998, I beat the game in the first day, Sonic 1 in 6 hours. You are wrong.

>>389418724
I honestly think the original image was reaching, too. It took off because people like the idea of a loli Eggman, and her popularity lead to people trying to develop her like an actual character.

>>389418724
>>389419413
>popularity
it's just one or two people trying to force a shitty sprite misinterpretation that isn't there.

>>389415643
This is my first 2D sonic and holy shit I agree with this. I'm having such a hard time.

I don't understand why when you hold forward on the dpad and sonic goes up a loop in a different direction you aren't allowed to move the stick in the new direction or else sonic falls off the rails

this shit makes no sense to me, it feels like the environment controls sonic more than you control sonic

>>389420093
Because, IGN, even if you're moving in a loop, Sonic is still moving Forward

>>389411159
What difficulty?

>>389421801
forward is right on the screen

not left

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>>389411372
>there are people on this board right now that finds this in any way difficult

>>389411159
Fighting games inputs. :^)

>>389419858
Haha! Cry more you little slut!

>>389411245
This, because of technical limitations enemies and their projectiles can become invisible but will still hurt you if they hit, that actually is artificial difficulty.

>>389418724
>>389419413
>>389419858
You gotta really fuckin' look for it, but it's kinda there.

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>>389411159

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>>389415643
>friend's no stranger to vidya
>"but like, how tf do you even know where to gooo???"
why is this so fucking common

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>>389411245
>>389412193

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>>389411159
FUCKING HELP

That fucking section in Mourning's End Part II where you have to pass the handholds and it's based off of agility level and run energy but you can always fail no matter what and it checks to see if you fail on each handhold.

>>389422371
These special stages are the easiest in the series c'mon anon

>>389422462
Fuck that whole quest

>>389422787
Bullshit

In that one you have to gain way too much speed and as a result lose a ton of control which basically magnatizes your ass into the holes. Or because of the low amount of rings you can run out of those too.

Additionally since the game does its own little cute thing and tries to make it so you can only do a Special Ring once by saving when you win or lose,you've gotta either restart the game or keep pushing on in hopes you just git better at it. I've had an easier time getting even the damn Time Gems from CD.

>>389422193
i do not understand this post

>>389416398
are you me

>>389411372
This part in Mania is ABSOLUTELY a case of artificial difficulty because of the fucked up collision detection

>>389416398
Makes for a solid bass rift.

>>389423218
Try jumping over the holes, also at mach 3 you drift on turns which gives you some control. The ufo will always take the shortest route also. There are a lot of giant rings hidden in the stages too

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>>389418724

>>389415643
I was fucking terrible at Sonic as a kid, didn't play it for like 20 years, picked up Sonic 3 & Knuckles again and cruised through it. Mania was easy enough too.

>>389419070
> taking 6 hours to beat Sonic 1

kek

>>389423967
I seriously hope they make her canon.

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This right here. Lunatic is ok, Lunatic+ has legit unwinnable maps if the enemies roll certain skills.

>>389420093

>it feels like the environment controls sonic more than you control sonic

In a sense that's what's happening. The loop by itself is what's changing Sonic's direction, not the player input. If you have enough speed, Sonic will keep his forward momentum and go through the loop on his own without you needing to hold forward once you hit the incline.

>>389411395
Only with KB+M

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>>389419070
>6 hours
>probably also using savestates

It's ok anon, we won't judge

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>>389411159
stealth eggette thread?

>>389411159
God this boss was janky as fuck

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>>389425509
Absolutely.

>Everyone complains about the sky chase

>It's fun

>No one complains about the worm

>90% of the fight is waiting for him to do a 2D jump, then you get hit by his body, and you don't get your ring back

>>389411159
nice one liner meme thread shitposting faggot

>>389423967
reminds me of Ape Escape

>>389427135
seething

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>>389411159
>that fucking tentacle boss in the industrial zone
>lost 3 lifes on him because he would knock me out in a way that Sonic falls down the oil really fast and insta dies

That was the only boss to actually drive me mad.

>>389422371
It's way easier if you stay at Mach 2 and just avoid hazards and take shortcuts carefully

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haha windpress and twisters with a mind of their own

>>389420093
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_Physics_Guide

>>389423218
I haven't even gotten all the emeralds and that was a pretty fucking easy stage.

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>>389411159
What's so artificial about it?

>>389411745
I heard they fucked with the physics of the first 2 games, must be literal cancer.

>>389411690
If anything Riven is something different to mobas, since she is all about cancels and accurate string inputs, like fighting game characters. She is the exact opposite of artificial difficulty, since her efficency directly scales with player's mechanical skill.

>>389422371
I wish I could find the fucking rings. I am at Oil Ocean and found 4 rings, was able to get only to 3. I can find 3 rings in Angel Island alone, but they are hidden too well in Mania.

>>389423218
Learn to turn while jumping. The turning arc and movement speed gets weird while you do that, but mastering it gives you another turning radius to play with, and might help on tighter turns.

Also, always cut corners where possible. And if all else fails, just keep trying over and over. Eventually you'll memorize it enough. That's how I got past the fifth stage

>>389416478
even in classic sonic 2, it's there. Its a hidden wall you can spindash-jump off of towards.

check at 2:15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYF8nNusWOQ

Yes, this is from sonic 2, but it's still valid to dodge being submerged since the location still exists in mania.

I've taken this path so many times in sonic 2 since I found it back in 94 that I completely forgot there was anything on the lower path. I sorta feel ashamed of myself for playing in such a linear way for so long.

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>>389419413
>It took off because people like the idea of a loli Eggman
People take any excuse they can to make Rule 63 Robotnik