This is the best Elder Scrolls game. Say something nice about it!

>>389402157
I never actually played this game.

While the designs were wonky, it had good armor variety.

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Morrowind
>God tier main quest

Oblivion
>God tier side quests

Skyrim
>No redeeming qualities

>>389402157
Beautiful OST. Really 5 star material.
The graphics were a big step forward for RPGs. Bethesda was innovative in the way they animated foliage and forests like that.

>>389402157
Side/Faction quests were top tier.
The level scaling was done poorly.

I enjoyed the fuck out of this game.

>>389402256
Yeah that's not biased at all

Spare a coin for an ol' beggar?

>>389402256
Side quests in MW aren't very good. I only do enough of them to get some gold and then I never feel compelled to do more. Way too many fetch/kill quests.

>>389402309
I'd at least give Skyrim good dungeons. They're all pretty unique in some aspect, even if the enemies within them aren't

>>389402256
Oblivion and Morrowinds music should be the same.
Other than that spot on.

>>389402309
We're not talking about Skyrim. If you're going to bring up Skyrim, then what's your opinion on Arena and Daggerfall?

>>389402256
I actually don't disagree with this as long as you bump up Oblivion's Combat to being decent and bump up Morrowind's Lore to being better than just "Good."

>>389402440
How does it look biased. According to it, all around Morrowind is an enjoyable exepeince except for the combat. and Oblivion is really good on music and sidequests but meh on everything else. Did you only look at the angry face and the two glowing ones?

>>389402309
Skyrim had the best combat, and you could argue crafting if you don't include enchanting/spell crafting

>>389402309
Skyrims combat, world design, and music are defently the best.

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>>389402256
They were some good side quests.

>>389402575
Arena is far too detached from the lore as we know it, and suffers from simple mechanics and sparse content.
Daggerfall still has the detached generic D&D bestiary, but it established a lot of lore for Morrowind to follow up on. However, the nature of the procedurally generated land and dungeons means it is a game that will get old very quick.

>>389402696
>Skyrim combat
>Magic tickles enemies
>Weapons feel like you're just sliding them across enemies with no real impact whatsoever
Shh.
I wouldn't argue for crafting since, like you said, they gutted enchanting and spellmaking.

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>>389402586
You're not me, impostor.

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>>389402815
I was really hoping Skyrim would one up Oblivion's side quests but they managed to one of the biggest 180s I've ever seen in a sequel as every quest was pretty much a Dragur killing simulation.

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>>389402157
What the hell, why does your picture show a T rating? Was the base version rated T?

I guess the skimpily clad bitches in Shivering Isles bumped it up a rating.

>>389403035
Shivering Isles has that greenmote/felldew quest where the Duke of Mania gets you addicted to drugs or some shit. If I had to guess, the drug parallels were too strong and bumped up the rating.

>>389402657
Do you only care about the lore?

>>389402905
>>Magic tickles enemies
>>Weapons feel like you're just sliding them across enemies with no real impact whatsoever
So you never played any other Elder Scrolls game then. The combat has always been trash.

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>>389402981
I'm glad that Skyrim reaffirmed that a single-player focused game could still be a success.

But I semi-blame it for the modern direction of quantity over quality in open world games.

>>389403035
The game was changed to an M rating after some corpses were found to be more graphic then originally submitted to the ESRB, also nude mods. Really mods played apart in the changing of a games rating. Bethesda embraced the rating for Shivering Isles.

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>>389402968
Au contraire, my friend, you're not me.

>>389402812
Wrong on all three accounts. Skyrim may have edged out the combat category if the magic system wasn't so trash.

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>playing through as a female character for the first time
>get to that quest with the gang of whores who steal men's stuff in Anvil
>because I'm a girl they suggest I join their gang and to come to the farmhouse
>get to the house, they ask if I want to join
>my only option is to say no
>they start attacking me

Fuck you, Todd. I wanted to be a thieving slut.

>>389403582
>quantity over quality in open world games.
I think it's going to stay that way until we have a better AI that can come up with entirely new quests, do voice acting, etc. on its own. It probably won't be any time soon but that's the only way I can see an open world game not having a ton of filler content. Even Morrowind had a bunch of filler content and empty land.

>>389402905
Skyrims combat added a lot of well needed diversity in combat. From the extra effects on desteuction spells (frost reduces stamina and movement speed) to the extra perks depending on your weapon choice (armor pen for maces and war hammers etc), to the dual casting and have a different spell in each hand, as well as the different velocities of spells depending on the type (lightning spells tend to be almost instantious where as frost spells have a lot of travel tine). That's not even mentioning the that they made daggers actually relevant, things like ward runes, slow time while blocking, shouts, etc.

If you're having a hard time killing stuff as a pure mage try using magic regen over raw magicka increase and instead of dual casting, cast to seperate spells at once. If you want to be super overpowered with destruction just sinply use the ignite spell you get from the dragonborn DLC.

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>>389403795
I am a part of you, little mortal. I am a shadow in your subconscious, a blemish on your fragile little psyche. You know me. You just don't know it.

>>389403896
And I wanted to side with Dagoth Ur. We can't all get what we want.

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>>389403795
The music is debatable but its is truly laughable to say that combat and the world map where better in oblivion even with the cut spells.

>>389404671
World design is not the world map. Morrowind had the best world design.

Skyrim's combat is the most fluid, sure, but it took out a lot of the room for creativity with fighting that Morrowind and Oblivion had.

>>389404936
Morrowind was endless brown mountains and shit swamps. The towns shined for being unique but the rest of the world was unimaginative.

Skyrim took out manys spells but like this >>389404007 the combat it self was better. Also lest be honest the spells that got dropped ether where Op or useless. Levitating around throwing fired balls that killed cities wasn't the best idea.

>>389403226
No?

Fuck the Thalmor coming straight from the Western Sea
A young man got it bad 'cause he Nibenese
And not another race so the Thalmor think
They have the authority to prosecute a Deity

Remidner that not only did Oblviion fuck the lore and start the casualising slippery slope, horse armor fucked the industry as a whole

>>389402157
please please tell me this is bait

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>>389406224
Pretty good except the last verse.

>>389407090
Rhymes with authority are hard. Also I meant to type
>And not an Elven race so the Thalmor think

>>389405652
>Morrowind was endless brown mountains and shit swamps

I honestly don't believe that you've ever played Morrowind for more than a few hours based on that comment.

I love the music!

I get sad that I'll never play it again for the first time at the time I was in my life ;___;

>>389407518
Yeah, he forgot the grey mountains.

>>389402575
Not him, but Daggerfall is great. Massive world. I would always go and take out a loan from some podunk africanesque country, and then buy a ship and just never go back there. Then I would have tons of adventures with my ship.

>>389407518
He's wrong, but there is a lot of generic landscape and housing in Morrowind too, it just gets overlooked because of how unique the other parts are.

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If someone where to add combat animations in Morrowind, it would be god tier.

>>389407826
There definitely is a lot of grey stuff in Morrowind but to say that out of all the games, Skyrim's "Snow, Forests, and a little geyser area" is more unique is just insane.

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>>389408026
Those animations suck though. Morrowind really needs more modding. Especially now with openMW

Praising oblivion is a surefire way of spotting under-18s

>>389408278
Actually they've had plenty time to grow up well into their twenties, old timer.

>>389408278
Oblivion was made 11 years ago. People who played it when they were 7 are old enough to post.

>>389402157
That's not Morrowind.

>>389408415
The only way you think oblivion is the best TES game is if you started the series with skyrim and wanna look like a cool contrarian v user

>>389408563
Who is this semen demon

>>389407090
Fuck the Thalmor coming straight from the Western Sea
A young man got it bad 'cause he Nibenese
And not Elven race so the Thalmor think
They have the authority to claim superiority

>>389402256
I enjoy morrowind combat because I'm a D&Dfag and missing makes sense.

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>>389402256
Oblivion sidequests are a fucking meme. You could count the number of sidequests that account for multiple solution on one hand.
Also, if you think the Oblivion soundtrack has anything that even approaches Morrowind's main theme, you should definitely neck yourself.

>>389409119
>actually using that tired and repeatedly refuted book image

Please stop

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>>389402256
fixed

>>389409485
It's at least 90% correct tho

>>389409625
/thread

>>389409625
fucking this morrowind's combat was nowhere as bad as oblivion's combat which was literally swinging a stick 6 trillion times to kill your bullet sponge piece of shit enemy

>>389408724
The Nibenese are from the south sea though

>>389409850
e-even though this is fantasy the term bullet sponge still applies r-right?

>>389402157
it's the best TES I've played. still a pretty shitty game. mods for leveled lists are better, but not too great.

Anyone know of a mod that lets you clone yourself and has said clone run around and do shit on it's own?

I know I can use skull of corruption, but was wondering if any autists went and made a full on nickies black mod

>>389409703
It greatly exaggerates every single thing it talks about, and has very questionable standards on what makes a game good.

Hint: Skill Checks don't make a quest good. They help, but a bad quest isn't made good because the devs decided to throw in a skill check or two, and wait a second, I don't remember any skill checks in Morrowind anyway.

>>389409850
Thats only late late game in oblivion though and even then it adds at least a modicum of involvement by giving you control of your shield and having enemies do the same. Morrowind combat is nothing but click click drink a potion click click against every single enemy

>>389409973
A few people toyed around with the idea including the author of the Nickies Black thing but nothing ever came of it. I think you can use createfullactorcopy on PC for now to get something similar though.

>>389410090
it is D&D-like combat you fucking milennial animal cunt what the fuck do you know about RPGs other than Fallout TES and Witcher 3

>>389410248
"D&D-like" doesn't mean "good," anon

>>389409868
Colovian and Nibenese are two cultures of Cyrodiil. You'll be hard pressed to find it in Oblivion, however.

>>389410359
morrowind's combat is neither good and neither it is bad as our fellow redditors and /v/edditors make it out to be

>>389410214
ill try that. also gonna try the skull of corruption thing

>>389409850
I'm fine with the combat in MW but what's the difference of 6 trillion hits to kill something in Oblivion or 3 trillion hits to kill something in MW but it took 6 trillion swings because half of your hits miss?

>>389410423
Honestly it's not as bad as people say, and not as bad as I thought going into it. You hit almost all the time, and I like that weapon damage is decided solely by quality and your Strength stat. That being said, it's still somewhat repetitive and the fact that it's hard to hit a Kwama Forager with a dagger if you suck with Short Blade is still stupid.

>>389410089
Nah if anything it doesn't scrutinize Oblivion enough. For example, not a word about the copy-pasted dungeons which are all made of prefabs and all end in a chest that contains equipment no better than what's currently on you thanks to level scaling.
Lack of skillchecks and alternate solutions DO make an RPG quest bad. You like the writing and the storyline and the visuals? That's great, but that's not what makes an RPG quest good. Might as well praise GTA's sidequests, if those are your standards. RPG quests should allow for multiple approaches gated by your character's stats and skills, and Oblivion offers almost nothing in that department.

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>>389409850
It's also piss easy. Focus on Agility and a weapon and you will never miss. Once you are level 20+ you steamroll everything. Morrowind isn't hard, and it offers less involvement compared to the other Elder Scrolls, plus the animations themselves are retarded. None of the Elder Scolls games have had good combat, and they are all equally medicore due to their own personal flaws.

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>morrowfags will defend this

>>389410642
At least you can use trainers more than 5 times per level and training a weapon skill to a serviceable 40~ costs dick bupkis.

>>389402905
>>magic tickles enemies
t. Didn't fully enchant his armor with -100% magika usuage so he could spam master destruction spells with no cost

>>389408786
same

>>389410647
>For example, not a word about the copy-pasted dungeons which are all made of prefabs and all end in a chest that contains equipment no better than what's currently on you thanks to level scaling.

Morrowind's Dungeons, while having somewhat more variety in the loot, are just as bad design-wise. There's nothing interesting about hallways with Urns or Shrines after you've cleared out a few, but the possibility of unique loot is enough. That being said, I agree that Oblivion's leveled equipment rewards is a flawed system, but the rest of the leveling is fine. It promotes Efficient Leveling which adds another layer to the game.

>Lack of skillchecks and alternate solutions DO make an RPG quest bad. You like the writing and the storyline and the visuals? That's great, but that's not what makes an RPG quest good.

Sorry but if you honestly think a quest with shitty forgettable writing but a few skill checks is better than a well written quest without them, you're beyond help. Also, again, I really don't remember Morrowind's choices being meaningful, besides the ones that decide what guild you'd rather side with.

>>389402157
As someone who grew up with morrowind I would agree.

Morrowind quests often left you turned around and confused because of how vague they were, and while the 'roll to hit' mechanic isn't necessarily bad it can get really irritating when you're getting your shit pushed in by 30 cliffracers in brown mountain range #10000

Most of morrowinds problems were due to technical limitations though

>>389410806
That's both good and bad though. On one hand yea if you're rich you can bypass the painful early part of leveling a skill but on the other hand if you're rich enough you can just not put effort into leveling anything and just train up all your skills to 100 instead.

>>389402256
the main quest in morrowind is fantastic but the sidequests are meh

>>389402309
skyrim has great exploration

>>389411092
Why do you keep bringing up Morrowind, other than Oblivion being completely indefensible unless compared to similarly bad games? I agree that it's a bad game, too.
Obviously good writing is also a factor in RPG quests, but again, this is Oblivion we're talking about. There's like <10 quests that pass if you have even the most minimal of standards.

Cant kill shopkeepers in TES4.
Can kill every one in TES3.
Nuff said.

>>389411230
And? Sign me up, nigga... better than holding onto useless money.
If my character can pay the best to teach him to be the best, I'll take it.

>>389402157
Youre not allowed to talk about Oblivion until youve watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4-9G47uF0

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>>389411692
>five hours
I'm not watching this shit.
I haven't even played any of the Elder Scrolls games and I'm still posting in this thread.

>>389412034
pussy

>>389412106
loser

>>389412034
Why are you even posting if you haven't played any of the games?

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>>389412268
Because I can talk shit about both games without having played either, and I can be both sides of an argument at the same time.

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>>389408026

>>389411576
>Cant kill shopkeepers in TES4.

Uhh.... are you sure about that?

>>389411523
Ok, now I know you're baiting. Go back to some New Vegas thread somewhere so you can have your skill checks

That gives me an idea actually. I wonder what would happen if I posted a Morrowind vs New Vegas thread. Would /v/ kill itself?

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>>389412753
>adjust NPCs stats so you miss more
advanced baiting, someone actually put a little effort into that

It has unarmed as a skill so I could still sort of play as a pugilist even though they removed unarmored.
I'm not even a Morrowindfag but I really hate the 'streamlining'.

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>>389403896
>tfw you'll never be a scantily clad thief whore working for the glory of the Dagoth family.

>>389413640
You see that mountain? You can't climb it but with the power of (paid) mods you can fuck it.

>>389412753
>fatigue isn't decreasing
Hmm.

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