NEVER EVER PIRATE FAGS Praise Denuvo. Just beat it today with

>>389376625
Hows that offline play?

>>389377187
It's been patched, nigga. Stop justifying your unhealthy habits.

>>389376625
i think it was cracked earlier today actually
but yeah i bought ps4 version on release and it was kinda meh

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>>389377442
NO NO NO NO

At least we had a week of pure love, Sonic Mania. I am sorry we couldn't protect you better!

>paying for roms
>paying for a mod

>>389376625
>>389377714
absolutely epic thread m'friend

>>389376625
Bluepill me on this Denuvo thing. Does it prevent people from playing offline by checking for piracy?

>two week delay to implement
>one week to crack

never forget this, buycucks

>>389376625
This post would have been relevant 1 week ago.

>>389378560
Did it really take Sega two weeks to implement Denuvo?

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>>389377387
>Not wasting money on video game shit
>Unhealthy

>>389376625
The game got cracked already idiot.

>>389378702
Yes, that was what the 2 week delay was for.

Here, download link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:06C75C7265E050FBAFA85F7C9D91ECAE6F12B4CC

>>389376625
do you know they pirated copy just got released today?

>>389379094
Yesterday actually, and it was cracked 2 days ago.

>>389376625
>>389377714
Epic, simply epic.

>>389379073
I've already downloaded and installed it. So the delay was only to implement Denuvo and not for bug fixes?

>>389379073
Delete this right now pirate shit.

Ah yes finally, I can pirate this and save my money for Sonic Forces :)

>>389379301
Only to add Denuvo at the last moment and add the no offline "bug".

>>389379094
sage, hide, ignore those threads

>>389379301
I mean, I downloaded the CPY release and installed it already, but whatever.

>>389379382
>add the no offline "bug"
What? Why would they add a "bug" that they patched after the PC version released?

>>389379073
Oh wow thanks
Im playing sonic for free and I dont even like sonic that much
Enjoy your lost sale sega

>>389380205
Would you have bought the PC version if it didn't have Denuvo? Not attacking, just genuinely curious.

>>389378452
It prevents all consumers from playing the game period until it is either officially removed or cracked

>>389380554
Not him but i would, the game is $10 where i live.

>>389380554
No, I dont like sonic that much I was making fun of the "every pirate is a lost copy" narrative

Can someone redpill me on Denuvo/DRM? I pirate and purchase games. Sonic Mania was gifted to me by my gf

Does DRM do anything other than make it hard to pirate?

Is there no controller support?
What the fuck

>>389380845
I see, because I've just heard the common argument for piracy that if you never would have bought the game anyways, it doesn't count as a lost sale.

>>389380930
You are running a game in a virtual machine in simple words wasting performance, wasting SSD writes, DRM, etc.

>>389376625
Isn't it cracked already?

>>389376625
>tfw bought the game but cracking it anyway
I just couldn't wait another week.

>>389380930
drm is whatever but stand alone drm combined with steam can make modding a hassle or sometimes impossible.
denuvo does kill ssd harddrives though.

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>>389381108
It is. The only uncracked game using the same Denuvo version is F1 2017, but who knows when that will get cracked.

Dude, I've been playing the cracked version all morning. It's shitty. Sonic is never fun

>>389380930
Fuck off you don't belong here, don't rub your social life in my face you fucking nigger

>>389380554
I would have and likely still will do so, since I wanted to have a copy for streaming and general fun. I had the $70 edition preordered and due to Amazon shenanigans, it dropped down to only $44 for me due to having it on order for over a year.

Then the delay hit, so I canned it and was considering the Switch version, but all the spoilers ruined that. Then I waited for PC and slept in a bit just to find it had Denuvo and wasn't disclosed at that point in time.

Now I sit here with a cracked copy and probably going to just get it on Switch when it hits 50% or something on a future Sega sale, since they go full ham on Nintendo systems with their sales. PC version depends on if they'll include it in the yearly Sonic bundle and if it'll have Denuvo or not. I already expect Forces to have the same situation, seeing as Generations released two weeks later on PC in the past, leaving the game to have long load times and 30 FPS cap as the only way to enjoy it until the PC version ripped it a new asshole with vastly superior features.

>>389381559
>all the spoilers ruined that
What spoilers? My brother bought the Switch version, and I pirated the PC version, but I don't remember any spoilers coming out.

>>389379073

>virus warning

Yeah no. :^)

>>389380554
I actually already bought it and played it past the 2 hour point before I realized it had Denuvo. I'm not angry I spent the money and I don't want a refund anyways, but I've already uninstalled it and downloaded the cracked version because I seriously don't want Denuvo to be attached to my games like a fucking tumor.

>>389382128
Malwarebytes said its clean.
I cant think of anything more clean than dolphin porn.

>>389376625
It's cracked and not worth a pirate.

>>389382234
You can still refund it.

>>389382234
>I seriously don't want Denuvo to be attached to my games like a fucking tumor
Is Denuvo actually bad? I've heard people labeling it as "malware," but that seems like an exaggeration.

>>389382384
I've logged 3 hours. Won't I be rejected?

>>389381860
Not him, but some people ended up getting the Switch version Collector's Edition early, and an entire playthrough of the was streamed on /v/.

Yea I've been waiting because of denuvo.

Sucks. But I'd never spend what little money I have on a singleplayer game like Sonic.

>>389382663
>>389379073
Oh just realized someone posted the torrent in this thread. Thanks.

>>389381860
My case is screwed over by Youtubers looking for a quick buck and Google's stupid algorithms bombarding me with things like "FINAL BOSS!" "TRUE FINAL BOSS WITH SUPER x!" and stuff like that, as well as spamming bosses of every zone and it sucked the fun away along with the additional two week wait for the PC version.

It's like trying to hold out for movie spoilers for a few weeks when all your friends already seen it; it just doesn't really happen after a certain point in time.

>>389382419
https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

>>389376625
So glad I don't waste money on games this one is straight fucking garbage. Only fun if your on some nostalgia trip.

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how do install this
bat or exe first

>>389383905
Setup, bin will be executed with the installer.

>>389383905
the bat is an integrity check, which the installer will do on completion anyway so don't bother with it

just run the exe

https://rarbg.to/torrent/dol9j43
?

>>389383953
>>389384021
ok 1 question why is it 2gb

>>389384252
What is 2GB?

>>389383905
Thanks /fit/

>>389384252
>>389383905
My download was 350MB and didn't look like that but different source I guess.

>>389384269
it says the installation will take around 2200mb
but on the page before that it said 222mb so maybe it's a misprint?

>downloading random torrents off 4chan
yeah nah, I'll wait till it's on an actual reasonable site like bay

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>>389384414
Yeah looks like it, the game is only 222MB.

>>389384524
isn't piratebay owned by the feds now or something

Are you guys serious? Just go to leddit crackwatch, it's not that hard

>inb4 muh plebbit hate

You're just using them, you're not going to become a redditor cuck if you just enter for a second

>>389384635
>fitgirl
Fuck is this shit. IGG or nothing

>>389379676
Public outcry forced their hand.

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>>389384524
It is already on TPB.

>>389384707
Already in IGG, go look it up yourself.

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>>389383905
>sonic
>SNES
sure thing

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>>389380554
I did. Fuck em.

>>389379327
Underrated post.

>>389384661
I'm fucking retarded, how do I download from there? I clicked the link and it's just a bunch of shitheads talking. I don't normally use reddit so idk

>>389384747
Why does your piratebay look different than mine and I don't get any search hits, what the fuck. Link?

>>389384939
I literally just searched "Sonic Mania" on thepiratebay.org...

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/18531437/Sonic_Mania_(CPY)

>>389384827
I'm not going to go out of my way to make a webm or write a detailed instruction on how to enter a fucking mega link

sendfile. su /1359825

First button to the left, it's the fucking torrent you double nigger, use your fucking brain for fuck sake

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>online only has been fixed
what's the issue with Denuvo again?
>it destroys drives!
source on that?

>>389385089
Fucks with customers.
Google it yourself.

>>389385089
Fucks up the performance and takes AGES to start up on every. single. start up.

>>389377387
>It's been patched
the damage is already done

>>389385318
~10 seconds is fine with me

>>389385249
I googled it, found nothing

I know that you guys hate it, and I want to join in, but I can't do that out of spite because I can't pirate it like you people, I need solid evidence

>>389376625
>pirates
It's mostly buyfags complaining, from what I've seen.

We know you desperately want attention out of your lonely life, but at least think it through next time.

>>389385501
complaining about what, since they already fixed the only issue which was the no online play?

Well that was shit
Not even worth a pirate, dropped it in that awful garden level

Anyone here looking forward to Sonic Forces?

>>389385484
>~10 seconds
I wish, it takes several minutes because of this forced verification check bullshit. Also forgot to mention that it makes the fans overheat.

>>389380554
If it came out at the same time as the console versions then yes.
I bought the console version because of the delay. Most people aren't going to wait or buy a game twice, so all the delay accomplished was reducing the amount of sales they got on PC.
>>389382419
When its used to force you to be online to play your games, and you can't remove it from your computer even after you uninstall the game I consider that malware.

>>389385708
>only issue
t. clueless faggot

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>>389386037
what the fuck? I just turned on Mania and it took 5~10s, looks like you have some issue with your PC famalam

>>389385484
Weird how you don't need solid evidence when Denuvo shills claim cracked versions have bitcoin miners or that piracy amounts to lost sales.

>>389382128
just reformat your pc or stop using it to access your bank account and activate steam guard.

>>389386138
I've asked multiple times on multiple times for you annoying fucks to teach me to hate Denuvo, all I get are vague claims with 0 source

>>389386217
I don't care about what you're saying because even if they had bitcoin mining I'd use them, because when I don't want to support a dev, I don't

>piracy amounts to lost sales
pointless to discuss that as we'll never know the actual truth, at best it can be fun to speculate over it

crt filters look like ass on pc monitors so close to your face
also anyone got a save with all the blue sphere medals?
already went through that shit on switch, never again

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So isn't the point of Denuvo and the whole reason they inconvenience actually buyers is the game can't be pirated?
>game gets cracked like a few days after release anyway

SO WHAT'S THE POINT??

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>>389386071
>I consider that malware
But Denuvo isn't malware in the dictionary definition. I don't support Denuvo (I pirate all my PC games), and I don't like the fact that it stays on your computer even after you uninstall the game, but I don't think it can be considered as malware.

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>>389386353
>SO WHAT'S THE POINT??
There's is none, which is why SoE is so fucking retarded. All this did was fuck over legit customers and completely ruin all of the good will a ton of people had for the game.

>>389386353
>inconvenience actually buyers
with what? the online only thing that was patched in a day? that was a (very dumb) mistake

>>389386353
It was SEGA of Europe that made them do it, so who the fuck knows with that shit pile of a company.

I'm glad I bought it because I want them to make more Sonic games like this. So it's a tossup for me, maybe I'll pirate it anyway to play both sides.

>>389386347
>I don't care about what you're saying because it exposes my double standards

Fixed.

>>389386638
It took longer that a day to patch.
And it was more than a dumb mistake considering 99% of Denuvo games don't have always online requirements turned on by default.

>>389386638
>that was a mistake
You actually buy that bullshit damage control? Let me guess, them "gifting" the Sonic 1 ROM as an "apology" for the delay, which ended up preventing people from getting a refund was also an oopsie?

>>389386616
>it ruined the good will of underage poorfags that weren't gonna buy the game anyways

o shit!

>>389386353
My understanding of it is that they have to prove to their investors or related persons that they are protecting the product in order to receive future support. Even if it gets cracked, they still want to see the proactive steps taken in protecting it in the first place. That is my understanding of it unless there is some other business reason for it or what I said is wrong. I'd like to know myself.

>>389386897
*as well as the adults who DID want to legitimately buy it.

>>389376625
fuck it, I preoredered it and canceled it.
I will buy it when they add DRM free option

>>389386874
most people didn't even get Sonic 1 because the collectors editions were delayed and SEGA put in a cut off date of 8/15 to get the game which was weeks before the game actually released

>>389386874
>>389386837
by believing it was a mistake, I'm giving them less credit than what you're implying, that they actually saw people complaining about the online requirement thing and changed it to please the customers

the "apology" was ridiculous, of course, as not only it's not the best version of Sonic 1 (fucking when, Sega?), but also there was no excuse for them to announce it in the final week before the release

I have no idea why you think I'm defending Sega by merely throwing facts around, your unfounded hate only brings sympathy towards them, try being more objective if you really want to push your narrative forward, otherwise it'll only push people to the other side as they see your bullshit flying around

>>389386386
>I don't like the fact that it stays on your computer even after you uninstall the game, but I don't think it can be considered as malware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware

Programs supplied officially by companies can be considered malware if they secretly act against the interests of the computer user. An example is the Sony rootkit, a Trojan horse embedded into CDs sold by Sony, which silently installed and concealed itself on purchasers' computers with the intention of preventing illicit copying; it also reported on users' listening habits, and unintentionally created vulnerabilities that were exploited by unrelated malware

I don't care about your appeal to the dictionary on Google. Denuvo acts against my interests as the user of my computer, if I can't remove software even if I try to uninstall it and it's not part of my OS, it's malware.

>>389387207
It took longer than a day to patch so your "facts" are erroneous. Accusing people of unfounded hate for rightfully calling Sega out on implementing always online DRM isn't factual nor objective. You're the one trying to push a narrative.

>>389386386

Would you buy clothing with security tags that can't be removed after you paid for it? No. So you wouldn't buy software with DRM that couldn't be removed from your computer even after you uninstall it.

>>389387393
>It took longer than a day to patch so your "facts" are erroneous.
you're going to dismiss everything I said because I got 1 fact wrong? how long was it then? 2 days? and THIS is your argument? and you think people are going to side with you?

>Accusing people of unfounded hate for rightfully calling Sega out on implementing always online DRM isn't factual nor objective. You're the one trying to push a narrative.
how long did it take? 2 days?
it is unfounded hate when I ask for source or information and all I get is
>u-uuhhhh google it
>muh drives, and I'm NOT providing source!!!
>offline play wasn't available in the beginning!!!

does the cracked version have denuvo in it too? i just heard some dude on steam forums say that. I'm guessing it's false.
But if so fuck

>>389380554
10 is like a weeks pay here.

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DRM was the wrong call, but delaying the game was not. Had they released the PC version along the others, they'd have gotten less sales because console owners would have waited out the PC crack.

Denuvo IS evil. They aren't actually stopping piracy, and the people who own the game are treated like thieves. The fact that it forces always online, cannot be removed even after the game is uninstalled, can only be played online and fucks up SSDs are the reasons for it.

I am sure they will reconsider Denuvo after the backslash they received.

>>389387996
>>389387216
I installed Mania, where can I find Denuvo irremovable files? What is the name of its process, running in my computer, leeching off of my processing?

>>389387643
I'm going to dismiss everything you say because you claim you're "merely throwing facts around" yet you can't even get your facts straight while demanding source for your own information, and accusing everyone of unfounded hate and a lack of objectivity while you spew opinionated rhetoric.

No one is going to side with you because you are dishonest, and have to resort to greentext strawman to save face. You have no credibility.

>>389380554
I DID buy it, right before it released on PC then went on /v/ later that day and saw people memeing about denuvo so i refunded.

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>beat the game with all 3 characters weeks ago on console
>lmaoing at PCfats trying to justify their bastardized DRM port that's already cracked

>>389388227
this is like discussing with religiousfags, holy shit
>I will never provide any proof of anything I say
>lol you got one info wrong and you're willing to be corrected? I'm still going to latch on to that one irrelevant mistake and claim you have no credibility
>all hate Denuvo, Denuvo is doom and if you dare question it you're a Denuvo shill

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sonic-mania/user-reviews?dist=negative

LOL

>>389376625
Can't believe I spent £10+ on a game with graphics that somehow looks worse than 20 years ago. Gameplay is old as fuck and the amount of content is seriously lacking. Anyone considering this game please wait until it goes below £5 at least

>>389387996
Delaying the game accomplished nothing but gimping PC sales of the game. The only people who see this as a positive are console fanboys who want game developers to stop releasing games on PC

>>389387853
Depends on who is responsible for the crack. Most Denuvo "cracks" don't actually remove Denuvo and just generate a fake key signature that Denuvo accepts. If it's a STEAMPUNKS crack then yeah it still has Denuvo.

>>389388765
>Depends on who is responsible for the crack.
CPY was responsible for the crack.

>>389388765
>Depends on who is responsible for the crack
FitGirl Repack

>>389388735
It's absolutely appalling they have the confidence to rehash levels from the original games in half of the game. It's a rehash with extra rehashes inside of it. There is no hope for sonic forces which looks like a shittier version of generations

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>>389388881
>FitGirl

>>389389147
Problem?
He/she makes good repacks

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>>389376625
>I just wanted to buy 'n play and sega pulls this shit

>>389376625
Thanks OP, if you weren't such a faggot then I wouldn't have known that Sonic Mania was cracked.

Thanks buycuck :^)

>>389388513
>calls people religiousfags while trying to shift the burden of proof and refusing to provide any proof of anything you say

How ironic. I love how you try to deflect from your false claim calling it an "irrelevant mistake" after claiming to be entirely factual and objective. Then you wonder why nobody finds you credible.

>>389389539
>shift the burden of proof
you claim Denuvo destroys PCs and is malware, burden of proof lies with you

>claiming to be entirely factual and objective.
I never claimed to never make any mistakes, I thought that problem remained for a day, and right after you said it wasn't the case I asked how long was it then, if accepting new information is not what you're looking for in the opposition of an argument, then what is it? blindly following your words?

also, your being condescending combined with providing 0 proof or information about anything is really disgusting

>>389386897
Check out the steam page man, a lot of people who bought the game ended up giving it shit marks because it had been delayed and had Denuvo attached to it.

For me personally, if it didn't have Denuvo, I would've bought it, but because they treated me like I was a criminal, I decided to wait and ended up getting the cracked version for free.

If I'm not entitled to a good video game that has as little bullshit as possible attached to it, then video game devs aren't entitled to my business or the time it would take to tell others about how great the game was.

>>389389868
>then video game publishers aren't entitled
Fixed.

>>389389868
>For me personally, if it didn't have Denuvo, I would've bought it, but because they treated me like I was a criminal, I decided to wait and ended up getting the cracked version for free.
who do you piratefags think you're fooling? nobody believes this bullshit

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>>389376625
>sega delayed the game on pc just to implement denuvo, when they said it was for "polishing"
>sega tries to sneak denuvo in without anybody noticing, but got caught and claimed it was a "store page error" hours after they got caught
>even the devs and PR guy themselves didn't want the intrusive DRM on the game
>sega later tried to blame the delay on the dev team
>the shitty sonic1 compensation was just a way to get out of the refund policy
>sega fucks up the game and causes it to be unplayable offline for a day or two
>game is still buggy

>>389390556
Believe it or not, I really don't give a shit and it doesn't change the fact that, rather than giving Sega my money, I decided to wait and pirate their games for free.

Tell me buyfag, how exactly are these devs entitled to my money? What did they do to deserve me dropping $20 on their game when I could either pirate it (for free) or buy their game used (for a lower prices while they don't receive a dime)?

Because I don't need any reason to be cheap but I do need many reasons to drop money on something when food, bills, and education take up a bigger priority within my budget.

>>389389840
>you claim Denuvo destroys PCs and is malware, burden of proof lies with you
Except those weren't my claims. You are trying to shift the burden of proof by conflating those claims with my counter claim regarding Sega's own implementation of Denuvo and the time it took for them to "fix" it.
Also anon already explained how non-removable software that secretly act sagainst the interests of the computer user is malware. If your refuse to accept any definition of the word outside of Google's, that's on you.

You literally said you were merely throwing around facts and that everyone else was trying to push a narrative with unfounded hate, and they should be more objective. Then you try to deflect from your own lack of objectivity by calling it an "interleave mistake". "I thought X" isn't factual. If you can't see the hypocrisy in expecting everyone else to take you at your word while you spew misinformation then you're beyond hopeless.

>also, your being condescending combined with providing 0 proof or information about anything is really disgusting
Again the irony.

Not only are you intellectually dishonest, but disgustingly hypocritical. This is why nobody will ever take you seriously.

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>>389390880

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>>389390556

Keep telling yourself that.

>>389390953
Then if you don't buy it you don't get it perioid. You are scum regardless. Maybe if you people didn't abuse the hell out of pirating games Denuvo wouldn't even be a thing. Tell me. Why does Denuvo exists in the first place? The irony is hilarious.

>>389388881
Fitgirl doesn't make cracks,she/he just repackages scene releases.

>>389378452
just cry fags crying.

>>389385089
No offline play, IN A SINGLE PLAYER ONLY GAME.

Even with steam you could still play on offline mode, denuvo forces you to go online to play (or forced, they fixed that shit)

>>389390940
remember when the biggest thing you had to worry about in a videogame was jumping a gap with an enemy waiting on the other side?

>>389380554
i bought it on steam bc I basically got it free. pubg crates be a gud thing

Just imagine if people were unironically defending Starforce 20 years ago

>>389381428
>never played sonic 3K
well obviously you're not going to like it, kiddie. it's almost identical feel to that. lol faggot.

>>389379301
Y for super Sonic
That's it.

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>>389390556
OH PIRACY
SUCH BIG PROBLEM
MUCH DAMAGE TO INDUSTRY

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers
.ars

"These figures show that there is no sharp divide between file sharers and others in their buying behaviour. On the contrary, when it comes to attending concerts, and expenses on DVDs and games, file sharers are the industry's largest customers... There does not appear to be a clear relationship between the decline in sales and file sharing."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars

"After examining all the data and consulting with numerous experts inside and outside of government, the Government Accountability Office concluded (PDF) that it is "difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the economy-wide impacts."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110727/16233815292/another-day-another-study-that-says-pirates-are-best-customers-this-time-hadopi.shtml

Gaiman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

retarded fucks holy shit

>>389390953
>What did they do to deserve me dropping $20 on their game when I could either pirate it (for free) or buy their game used
So your entire reasoning of them treating you like a criminal was an entire lie. Literally all you have to do is just say so instead of this false outrage over "principles." You are a poorfag who wants to pirate games because you don't value other people's work. And that's fine. You criticizing devs for using antipiracy measures make you look like an idiot. Deal with it and don't play it if it isn't cracked instead of whining about it and pretending you were going to buy it and when it's cracked, download it and just play it in silence like the piece of shit you are instead of pretending like you did some protest.

>>389391145
>You are scum regardless.
And that's a fine opinion you got there. From my perspective, corporate cocksuckers like you are scum since you support anti-consumer practices just because you're worried that your devs will withhold good games from you in the future.

In the end, we're both right and wrong.

>Maybe if you people didn't abuse the hell out of pirating games Denuvo wouldn't even be a thing.
People pirate games BECAUSE of shit like Denuvo existing in the first place. You think people would have a problem buying games if shit like Diablo 3 and SimCity Skylines didn't have DRM that made them unplayable at launch? Consumer confidence is at an all-time low and it's the fault of greedy devs who think that they can sell you half a game for twice the money.
>Why does Denuvo exists in the first place?
Because publishers are out of touch with the current market and genuinely believe that they are entitled to our money, even when they release games that don't even work.

Why doesn't this game's pause menu have an "options" choice?

>>389391145
>>389391145
>Then if you don't buy it you don't get it perioid. You are scum regardless
I'm sure you're going around /a/ /co/ /tv/ /mu/ /g/ etc telling them the same thing.

Oh right, you idiots are only on /v/, even most normies in real life don't ever get mad at piracy, so why would I pay attention to what a bunch of very fat virgins have to say?

Maybe if the publishers you're whiteknighting didn't abuse the hell out of their customers and draconian DRM schemes, less people would pirate in the first place. Why does Denuvo exists in the first place? Not to defeat piracy, considering that shit fails nearly every time. The irony is hilarious.

>>389391994
>even most normies in real life don't ever get mad at piracy

You would be surprised

>>389391624
>You are a poorfag who wants to pirate games because you don't value other people's work.
Wrong, I do value other people's work, when they treat me like a customer and deliver on their word. I've been burned many times by devs in the past who gave us games that were unfinished, unplayable, or just plain unavailable due to server issues on their end, which impacted my ability to enjoy their games.

I'm not going to drop cash on something that I'm not even sure is going to work, and if the devs aren't going to let me download a demo of some sort to test the waters, it generally means that they themselves aren't confident that their turds will sell once people realize how poor their product ended up being.
>You criticizing devs for using antipiracy measures make you look like an idiot.
Yet they basically spent more money just to get less sales.
>Deal with it
I don't have to, I'm playing a pirated copy for free and Sega ended up losing my sale. You deal with it.

>>389384384
That's because you downloaded it uncompressed like the pleb you are.

>>389392129
Several families, friends, and two bosses now. Nobody gives a fuck if you rip, pirate, or even widely share media.

Give it up, its the norm now outside of a few shitheads who get upset beliving it is stealing, which it is not.

>>389392129
Seeing how high the piracy rates are for music albums and shows like Games of Thrones are, yeah I would be. If you think piracy some underground warez scene thing and hasn't become a mainstream normie thing nowdays, you need to get out more.

>>389392193
>I do value other people's work
I'm literally being the most reasonable anon towards you and you're still trying to push this lie. Like I don't care if you pirate it or not, do whatever you have to do to survive. but you trying to pretend you are being some sort of activist is annoying and laughable. No one believes the dumb shit you are saying. Again like I said, if it's not cracked, deal with it. If it's cracked, download it and play it in silence like the piece of shit you are. When you try to peddle your lies and agenda so you can get more easily cracked games are when it gets annoying.

>>389391624
>Literally all you have to do is just say so instead of this false outrage over "principles."

The irony is hilarious.

The devs aren't the ones who made the decision to use anti piracy measures, you idiot.

>>389392693
Anon literally nothing you say is reasonable. You sound like a crank.

>>389392693
>Like I don't care if you pirate it or not,
>download it and play it in silence like the piece of shit you are
lol

>you trying to pretend you are being some sort of activist is annoying and laughable. No one believes the dumb shit you are saying.
>When you try to peddle your lies and agenda

Irony x3

>>389392881
Lol are you triggered over being called a piece of shit? It's fine if you like stealing other people's hard work if you are poor, but it doesn't exclude you from being a piece of shit.

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>>389383023
>a game literally cannot be played any more due to this kind of shit

>>389393098
You're getting triggered over piracy in the first place.

>WAAAAH YOU'RE A PIECE OF SHIT STOP STEALING POORFAGS

>>389393307
Lmao I never told poorfags to stop stealing. That's how I know you're triggered. I understand no one has perfect morality and preach practicality over idealism all day. It's people like you who are trying to twist your pirating into some moral protest is when I have a problem. And it gets even more embarrassing with the whole farce of pretending you were ever going to buy the game.

>>389392693
>I'm literally being the most reasonable anon towards you
You really aren't, and if this is you being "reasonable" then I'd hate to see you actively being unreasonable.
>Like I don't care if you pirate it or not, do whatever you have to do to survive. but you trying to pretend you are being some sort of activist is annoying and laughable.
What's really laughable is how you're defending companies that treat their paying customers like criminals while actual pirates will end up getting a game that you paid for, for free, without any of the annoying DRM shit they think you deserve to deal with for offering them patronage.

>>389393565
For someone who doesn't care, you sure are angry. I mean, how hard is it to believe that some people would rather not support shit like DRM due to the many problems that the concept has caused for legit customers in the past?

>>389392693
>Like I don't care if you pirate it or not
You clearly do care about what he's doing given the strop you're in right now.
I mean, you're just disregarding his post entirely with a response of "LIES LIES LIES NO ONE BELIEVES YOU!"

>>389393565
It's people like you who are trying to twist your stance on piracy into some immoral crime and preach idealism while autistically screeching that pirates are pieces of shit who steal and shouldn't play games in the first place. And it gets even more embarrassing with the whole farce of pretending pirates were never going to buy the game even though all the evidence on the subject proves you wrong >>389391489

You're throwing a tushy tantrum about piracy on 4chan. That's how I know you're triggered.

>>389390953
>these devs
You retard.

>>389393852
>angry
That's you projecting bud. DRM is unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it.

>>389393691
We've already established you don't care about other's hard work. This conversation is going in circles because it seems you are unable to take a self-reflective look at yourself due to being under multiple layers of denial. So I'll end it here.

>>389394228
lol. It's because I see someone pretending how they bought a game then refunded it then bought a game and then refunded and then pirated it just because someone told them about an unnoticeable software thirdhand. This whole farce that piratefags pull when they try to morally rationalize their decision is so embarrassing to me. I'm just trying to help you guys out.

>>389394406
>preach idealism
uh what? Do you not have reading comprehension? Lol you've been triggered so hard you can't even read straight.

>>389391059
I haven't provided proof about what claim? I've only been asking for proof, you're a fucking joke.

>>389391234
they fixed it already, so it's pointless to complain about it now, specially since it lasted like a day

>>389394420
>about an unnoticeable software thirdhand.
You mean the immediately noticeable software when a player goes offline and attempts to play the game?

>>389394420
>That's you projecting bud.
Nope, you are clearly mad that I'm pirating this game for reasons beyond getting it for free.
>DRM is unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it.
Don't you think, considering the climate we're in right now, that Sega should've told people that they were installing DRM before the game actually launched?
>We've
Who is "we" in this situation?
>you don't care about other's hard work
I do care about other people's work, so long as they they care to treat me like a customer, rather than a criminal.
>This conversation is going in circles because it seems you are unable to take a self-reflective look at yourself due to being under multiple layers of denial.
The irony is palpable, how does one even write this diatribe and not realize what they're saying?

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>>389386954
The reason is that investors and shareholders are 60+ years old and don't even know what the internet is, they somehow heard about pirates "stealing" their products and got an aneurysm, maybe did some research and found denuvo and now demand that shit so they don't suffer "lost sales".

That's why Witcher 3 didn't have DRM, because CDProjekt owns most of its shares and had its own money to put into Witcher, so they didn't have a grandpa over their head sapping and yelling to install DRM to "increase profits".

>>389394831
Bud, I'm a piratefag myself. I have terabytes of music that I downloaded illegally. I don't care that you are getting it for free. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this. You are a poorfag and it's fine. You are a piece of shit and it's fine. You don't value other people's hard work and it's fine. Like you need an intervention to get through this denial you have. You don't have to keep up this farce that you were going to buy the game. It's ok buddy.

>>389391489
why did you quote me? I pirate too, and imo companies have the right to shove DRM in their products if they want, however what I'm saying is: since it doesn't affect the buying consumer, then only piratefags will whine about this shit

>>389391357
Starforce 3 is easily in the top 10 best Mega Man games.

>>389394627
>I've only been asking for proof
>I have no idea why you think I'm defending Sega by merely throwing facts around,

What a fucking joke you are. You're a fucking embarrassment.

yo piratefags i'm happy for you finally getting to play the game, but if you end up liking it please for the love of fuck buy the damn thing somewhere, don't install or play it if you don't want to but this fucking game needs sales so this team can make more shit like it and get less overhead from sega
t. sonic autist who desperately needs a mania 2

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>>389376625
What did OP mean by this?

>>389395112
>I don't care
>let me explain how much I don't care
Every time.
>Like you need an intervention to get through this denial you have.
I could say the same thing to you mate. You're so deep in your own delusions that people are either willing to always pay for stuff that they want or they're always poorfags who can't afford the things that they want.

Life's not always a series of absolutes you know.

>>389395223
fact: you haven't provided proof
fact: they already removed the online only thing and it didn't last long, even if I was wrong in saying it was a day
fact: you're full of shit, has 0 proof about anything and you keep insulting me while providing 0 proof, source or whatever that Denuvo really is a hassle to paying consumers

how about you stop posting until you can prove that Denuvo is actually bad? in fact, why don't you just do that, that'll not only shut me up, but bring me to your side on hating Denuvo

but oh, wait, you're full of shit, so we'll never get there

>>389395148
>since it doesn't affect the buying consumer
It does affect the buying consumer, because only the buying consumer is going to deal with the shitty DRM while pirates get to play the game without it.

Are you really this delusional or are you just mind-broken from getting cucked by the industry so many times?

>>389394546
>scream about pirates being pieces of shit who steal and shouldn't play games without paying
>not preaching idealism

You've been triggered so hard you can't even think straight

>>389395112
Troll confirmed.

>>389395409
??? >>389383023

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>>389395148
>what I'm saying is: since it doesn't affect the buying consumer, then only piratefags will whine about this shit

But that's wrong you dumb cunt.

>>389395148
>since it doesn't affect the buying consumer
It ONLY affects the buying customer, which is the entire reason why this Denuvo shit is so horrible, pirates get the better version while the legit customers get fucked by the publisher.

>>389395350
Bud I told you I don't care that you get things for free. I encourage it. But when I see piratefags trying to push this farce of pretending they would buy a game, is when it gets embarrassing. But you want to revel in your own shit and pretend it doesnt stink. Your not ready for self reflection and that's fine, everyone moves at their own pace.

>>389395465
how does it affect the buying consumer? the delay on release was incompetence on Sega's part, and the online only thing that lasted for a day was Sega's incompetence, again, right now there's no issues with Denuvo in Sonic Mania, or maybe there is and I don't know of it? care to share what these issues are, besides pirates being butthurt that they got their game later?

>>389395678
it's already been fixed

>>389395706
it doesn't affect the buying consumer though

>>389395639
reading it right now

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Read you mongoloids.

>>389395576
>shouldn't play games without paying
I implore you to take a breather and read again lol

>>389395910
And to add to this, denuvo works in a VM which means that there will ALWAYS be a worse performance than a non-denuvo game.

>>389395718
>Bud I told you I don't care that you get things for free.
Yet you're still posting about how much you don't care about me getting things for free. Do you understand the paradox at play here?
>But when I see piratefags trying to push this farce of pretending they would buy a game, is when it gets embarrassing.
Okay, believe what you want, I still don't understand why you care enough to reply over and over again.
>>389395886
>how does it affect the buying consumer?
Because while pirates like me get the game for free, sans Denuvo, buying consumers have to deal with Denuvo and all the problems that its presence entails.

Sure, I had to wait a few more days to play it but at the end of the day, I got the better game for a fraction of the price than if I'd bought it normally, which is a huge issue that many publishers don't understand.

>>389395910
what the absolute fuck
remind me to never buy whatever the fuck Rime is

>>389396101
It doesn't take much time to post buddy. There is no paradox at play. I have said it so many times and you just seem to block it out as a defense mechanism. The farce you are trying to pull is what is annoying to me.

>>389380554
I was seriously considering it.

>>389396365
It's a walking simulator anyway.
But yeah when it came there was a lot of crying in the PC community because you couldn't hit 60FPS with a Gtx1080 and a i7, I'm not joking.
That's the magic of having your game work in a fucking VIRTUAL MACHINE because you're afraid of pirates.

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>We will never have quality Mania threads again, or probably for any classic Sonic because of this drm bullshit
I wish modern Sega would stop ruining everything they touch.

>>389396456
>There is no paradox at play.
Yes there is. You claim to not care, and yet you continue posting in response to what I say. If you really didn't care, you would've stopped posting a long time ago.
> I have said it so many times and you just seem to block it out as a defense mechanism.
Because saying something and doing something are two entirely different things and your actions tell me that you care, even if you don't want to believe it.
>The farce you are trying to pull is what is annoying to me.
Then why punish yourself further? Just leave and you won't be annoyed anymore. If you reply to me, any negative feelings that you're feeling will be entirely your fault.

>>389395409
fact: you haven't provided proof of any of your so called facts
fact: you've contradicted yourself multiple times in the thread, and ignored all the links to proof posted ITT
fact: the fact that the always online requirement happened at ALL, and was enforced by Sega's use of Denvuo is proof that it's a hassle to paying customers.
fact: you were wrong in saying it lasted only a day, and demanded source that proved you otherwise. You tried to shift the burden of proof.
fact: you insulted me throughout the thread, using greentext strawmen and direct insults without providing any proof that Denuvo is somehow fine to paying customers despite it offering no benifits to them and limiting how they can use their games even after they bought it.


fact: I don't care about bringing you to "my side" on hating Denuvo, because you're a hopeless lost cause who is completely incapable of intellectual honestly or basic reading comprehension.
how about you stop posting until you can stop embarrassing yourself. You're a fucking joke.

>>389396570
jesus fuck dude
i'll be honest i been sitting here with pc mania wondering what the fuss over denuvo was cause i havent noticed it at all
but what the fuck. why can it make so many calls? what purpose could that possible serve, especially when the post mentions other shit like nier only makes 1-2? is this piece of shit game the thing that was bricking SSDs?

>>389396679
Let us vent over this bullshit, then we'll likely just get the console version.
That or maybe sega will pull their head outa their ass. Could happen.

>>389396679
>There will no longer be comfy Sonic Mania threads
>There will no longer be comfy Sonic threads period
>Every thread will either be derailed by piratefags, buyfags, furries, or people who don't even play the game.
>Also, people will be twice as critical of Mania's flaws even when most of them aren't that bad, just because they're angry about Sega's bullshit.
Feels bad man

>>389395973
How is that any different than going on /mu/ and telling them to stop listening to music without paying? Or going on /tv/ and saying stop watching movies and tv shows without paying?
Just listen to yourself. You sound like an insane person.

>>389396719
Buddy, it's because I'm trying to help you. I've specifically said I don't care about you getting things for free and you always conflate my arguments to me being mad that you are getting things for free. The farce of pretending that you would actually buy the game is seriously embarrassing. No one believes it and you look like an idiot. I was just trying to help you see it for yourself but you clearly aren't ready for it and it's fine. People grow at different paces. It's ok.

>>389396873
>Sega
>Pulling their heads outta their asses
Pick one.

Sega will always default to being worthless second bananas to Nintendo because the Genesis was a fluke and they lost most of their non-Sonic properties.

>>389396846
No that was Lord of the Fallen, another blunder.
Sonic Mania though had worse loading times than the PS4 version though, that's awful enough.
I also have the buyfag versions of Total War Warhammer and DOOM and they take a shitton to launch in comparison to the cracked versions.

Denuvo is a cancer.

I don't get the joke of this thread. I mean, I actually do, but what's so funny about it?

>>389395886
>and the online only thing that lasted for a day was Sega's incompetence,

The online only thing lasted for more than a day, and Sega used Denuvo to implement it in the first place. Why do you keep repeating a lie?

It doesn't let me run the game.

Why???

>>389381052
There is.

My DS4 spoofed as a 360 pad works flawlessly.

>>389381071
>wasting SSD writes
I thought this shit was debunked already. Either that or they fixed it.

>>389397143
The joke is baiting for (You)s and shitposting.

>>389396963
If someone on /mu/ went and posted a thread about buying an album and then throwing it away because someone told them it had DRM and they wouldn't have known otherwise and then pirated it, you best believe I would refer them to a mental health specialist.

>>389396873
>That or maybe sega will pull their head outa their ass
People have been waiting for that since the 32X launch.
Won't happen.

>>389397047
>I don't care
>Let me tell you how much I don't care
At this point it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you don't care and are incapable of letting go unless you can make me admit to some perceived crime that you're too immature to vocalize without sounding like an angry spastic.

I'm going to give you an hour to calm down, you're embarrassing yourself and have run out of good arguments a long time ago. After you've had that hour of cooldown, come back and we can discuss this situation rationally.

>>389395639
>payment issues block thing
I have no idea how I'd go about testing this

>Denuvo stops games from supporting Linux or OS X.
if you're playing videogames on PC, and you're not using Windows, then what the fuck are you doing?

>1 week of Offline mode just to test if this is true
I'm not going to test this one either

>internet requirement
that's not Denuvo's problem, but the publisher being stupid enough to enable that, as there are Denuvo games that allow offline play

>internet drop
I disconnected Steam while playing Mania right now (unplugged my cable) and nothing happened

>DRM outage thing
even if we pretended that Steam went down in our lifetime, or this stuff was triggered by something else, we can always just pirate the games anyways, but this is a good point, sort of, I mean, how would the non-Denuvo games work? wouldn't those also not play because Steam is forever down?

>modifying .exe to play online after official servers are shut down
finally a good point, I'm all for this

>Denuvo stopping VR stuff
I have no idea how that would work, like, have people bypassed Oculus exclusive locks to play an Oculus exclusive on Vive for instance?

>Denuvo locks your purchases to a platform
isn't that every game you bought on Steam? how is that a Denuvo problem and not a digital purchase problem?

>playable backups
and can you make that with Steam games? again, how is this a Denuvo problem and not a digital purchase problem? (except for GoG stuff that is)

>>389397157
how long did it last then, if it wasn't a day?
>and Sega used Denuvo to implement it in the first place.
publisher's fault, not Denuvo
>Why do you keep repeating a lie?
what lie? that it's Sega's fault that the game couldn't be played offline on release? that's a lie? what the fuck?

>>389396840
you're still not providing any proof that Denuvo is bad, why are you still wasting your time typing insults when you're not convincing anyone? just give me some proof and I'll be BTFO by you

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>>389395910
>buycucks' processors and drives have to slave away at extra actions every cycle
LOL

what's even more funny
>denuvo's "revolutionary uncrackable new version" is just increasing the amount of calls by 300%
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>389386353
The first couple of days in sales is the most important. People who were gonna pirate anyways are gonna wait, but theres a non-insignificant number of people who may just buy it if a cracked version isnt shoved in their faces.

>>389395718
>>389396456
>Bud I told you I don't care that you get things for free. I encourage it.
>calls pirates poorfags and pieces of shit for doing it

Also why should anyone care that you're personally annoyed? Antipiratefags trying to push this farce of piracy=stealing and being something only poorfags do which somehow harms the industry is infintely more annoying to the rest of this board. If you had an ounce of self-awareness you'd realize how much of an ass you look like when you demand pirates concede to your moral standard on 4chan of all places.

>>389397265
See you are conflating things again. I don't specifically care about you getting things for free. I do care about you looking like a fool trying to push a farce. It's the samaritan in me. But it's quite clear there is a lot of denial in your mind making you incapable of self-reflection, so let's end it here and I'll just hope you can learn to accept yourself on your lonesome.

>>389396846
Denuvo has different versions, the older ones used for lords of the fallen, MGSV etc. did less calls. I'm guessing they also have different pricing for different denuvo versions.

>>389397352
>tfw got tricked into buying yesterday

Dai what you guys want but denuvo works. Also I haven't had any problems with it, the game I bought played perfectly I don't know what the issue with denuvo is but it didn't do anything. I think the people complaining about it actually are just pirates trying to really people against it.

>>389397245
Maybe you should go to a mental health specialist to get that delusion of yours checked out.

I mean, how exactly would that work in reality?

>>389397047
>I've specifically said I don't care about you getting things for free and you always conflate my arguments to me being mad that you are getting things for free.

Because you're contradicting yourself by calling pirates pieces of shit who shouldn't get things for free. Nobody is conflating anything, you are clearly mad. No one believes you and you look like an idiot.

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>>389389868
>If it didn't have Denuvo, I would've bought it, but because they treated me like I was a criminal, I decided to wait and ended up getting the cracked version for free

Here we have "The Faggot" in the flesh.

>>389397512
See you in 55 minutes anon.

>>389397316
The best part is where Denuvo denies it, the publishers deny it, the dev deny it, and the clueless customer decides to give the graphix jews more money because his games are not running well enough.
It's a win/win for everyone right?

Reminds me of that time Crysis 2 had the entire ocean textured and animated under the floor to increase nVidia sales.

>>389397128
damn.
i do want to mention though, and to be clear i ain't supporting denuvo, i will shill mania all fucking day cause i'm a fucking sonic autist but denuvo can suck a fat one, my pc copy actually launches faster than my ps4 one. now I do have it installed on my SSD, is that enough to overpower denuvo's bullshit?
again not supporting denuvo, i've just seen people say that a lot about the load times (i did experience that w/ DOOM) but my experience with Mania hasn't been that and i'm curious as to why

>>389397584
> calling pirates pieces of shit who shouldn't get things for free
lol I never said this.

>>389397602
The only faggot around here is you buycuck. You're not fooling anyone.

>>389397128
>Sonic Mania though had worse loading times than the PS4 version though,
what load times?

>>389397602
I used to think like you anon but trying cracked DOOM on my brother's PC who has a worse GPU and RAM than mine and see it launch in 10 seconds compared to the full minute my retail version takes made me understand the anti-DRM crowd.
I'm getting treated as a criminal AND getting the worse experience because of their greed.

>>389395886
>it doesn't affect the buying consumer though
It does though.

t. anon who owns Mania on Steam

>>389397853
when you launch it and when you load a level, PC version had hiccups until they removed the always online thing.

>>389397245
>someone told them it had DRM and they wouldn't have known otherwise
Why do you think it's ok to include DRM in games or music without telling the customer beforehand? That's arguably even worse than just including the DRM at all, you're saying people don't even have the right to know about it.

If a popular new album came out and had a Sony-DAC rootkit style DRM you bet your ass that /mu/ and /g/ would call them out on it. Nobody would have a problem with people pirating it, and they certainly wouldn't go on a tagent saying THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH DRM IN MUSIC JUST LISTEN TO THE ALBUM IN SILENCE YOU PIECE OF SHIT like an insufferable twat.

So /v/ how many copies of the game have you stolen/helped steal straight from Sega's hands?

I'm up to 23

>>389397935
how?

>>389397973
I played on launch and I don't remember it, but I'll take your word for it

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389397883
I hate to do "Works on my machine :^)" but seriously, DOOM opens quickly for me and runs flawlessly.

Also, Denuvo or not, I'm going to support a new fucking sonic game. If Sega sees that Sonic Mania sells like shit on the PC, they won't go "Oh shit, they hate denuvo, we've learned out lesson", they're gonna go "Oh shit nobody wants a new sonic on PC, guess we're not porting anything there anymore"

It's a selfish point of view, but basically I don't care until it affects me.

>>389397284
>that's not Denuvo's problem, but the publisher being stupid enough to enable that, as there are Denuvo games that allow offline play
No there aren't. Denuvo requires periodic internet checks, so if you don't launch the game for some time you'll have to launch it again so it downloads your new timed license if you want to play the game offline later. The sonic mania "no offline at all" issue was a separate thing.
>wouldn't those also not play because Steam is forever down?
steamworks is the steam DRM, and it's up to the game developer whether they want to enable it or not. If they don't, steam games can be launched straight from the .exe and played without steam. And if steam went down steamworks is crackable in 1 minute anyway.
>isn't that every game you bought on Steam? how is that a Denuvo problem and not a digital purchase problem?
because denuvo games will not work without steam, period. They require steam to be on to download the denuvo game license, a non-denuvo game could be cracked.

also one thing the site didn't mention is how denuvo stops all mods that modify the exe, pretty much this:
>Denuvo blocks many forms of modding, which prevents owners from extending the functionality of their games or adding new features (e.g. GeDoSaTo, ENB, MP mods), prevents fan-made patches that fix bugs or restore content (e.g. VtMB, KOTOR 2), prevents conversions and unofficial expansions (e.g. The Long War, Endereal, Gekokujo), and prevents the creation of compatibility mods that help to preserve old games long after their publishers have abandoned supporting them (e.g. MMO private servers, System Shock Portable, OpenRA).

>>389397764
>if you don't buy it you don't get it perioid. You are scum regardless.
>just play it in silence like the piece of shit you are

>>389398006
I didn't say that. People here are mad that someone told them of DRM that is unnoticeable in a videogame.
Apple m4a's already have some form of DRM that is unnoticeable to most, if someone told you this and you didn't know, would you care?

>>389380554
Yes, because I needed a reason to virtue signal on a tentacle basket weaving anime girugamesh board.

>>389377387
The guy who raped my sister said sorry and he won't do it again, I guess everything is a-okay now, huh???

>>389398348
The first quote isn't me. and you can get things for free if you want, irregardless of your status of being a piece of shit.

>>389398164
>>389385318
>>389386037

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I mounted the iso after merging all the rar files. Do I just click setup now?

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Fucking hell, someone help.

>>389398270
thanks for the info, now I feel like going against Denuvo myself

I'll have to think about pirating every Denuvo release, etc, fuck, what a hassle (I'm a huge buyfag, mind you, I barely pirate shit that the best/most convenient version available is on Steam)

>>389398546
I was testing Mania, and that's not the case for Mania, my fans don't act up, the game doesn't take long to start up, etc

spreading false information is always a bad idea

>>389398461
>Having DRM on a videogame for a week is akin to rape

Good argument, faggot.

I hope this is only one person
>>389398256
>>389398572
>>389398585

>>389398572
nigger this is pirating 101
you install it, and then copy the contents of the crack folder to the install folder (overwriting anything that matches), then run it

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>>389398256
>>389398572
>>389398585
>Average IQ of a pirate

>>389398680
It really is

>>389397284
>publisher's fault, not Denuvo
It's both their fault, as the publisher used Denuvo to enforce the always online rule. Nice attempt at shifting the blame though

>what lie? that it's Sega's fault that the game couldn't be played offline on release? that's a lie? what the fuck?
That Denuvo has nothing to do with the game not being playable offline, and that it only lasted a day. Just becuse you don't know how long it lasted doesn't mean you can continue to say it was only a day when that's clearly false.

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>>389398706

>>389398663
pirate mania and see how much better it runs

>>389392506
>Picture is 2 gigs
>Anons DL 350 mbs
>Uncompressed

What did he mean by this?

>>389398812
LOL no it isn't, a rape ends after a few minutes/beatings, denuvo has been in there for over a week on mania alone, longer than other games
it's way fucking worse than rape

>>389397284
fact: the always online requirement inconvinced paying customers, and was implemented by Sega's using Denvuo is proof that it's bad
fact: you are wasting your time by being a hypocrite who typed up insults and provided no proof all thread
fact: You were BTFO, I don't care if you're convinced.

>>389398846
>It's both their fault, as the publisher used Denuvo to enforce the always online rule. Nice attempt at shifting the blame though
Denuvo is a tool, guns don't kill people, people kill people, etc

>That Denuvo has nothing to do with the game not being playable offline, and that it only lasted a day. Just becuse you don't know how long it lasted doesn't mean you can continue to say it was only a day when that's clearly false.
I'll keep saying it was a day until someone finally corrects me.

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>>389397352
There's also people that won't buy it solely because of Denuvo.
>but theres a non-insignificant number of people who may just buy it if a cracked version isnt shoved in their faces
>a non-insignificant number

>>389388881
FitGirl doesnt do jack shit CPY cracked it

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Friendly reminder that Denuvo was made using pirated software.

Any software that uses Denuvo automatically revokes their moral high ground.

It's annoying to constantly have to remind people of this but it's the biggest hypocrisy in the industry.

>>389398964
>online requirement
Sega's fault, not Denuvo's
>typed up insults
what insults?

>>389398518
You define the status of being a piece of shit by pirating things for free, which directly contradicts your statement.

>>389398663
>works on muh machine :^))))))))
Well it doesn't on mine and it should be able to run it perfectly.

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>>389398794
>Average IQ of a buyfag

>>389399103
is that Windows Aero on? jesus christ

>>389399102
if in my machine this shit doesn't happen, how can that be an issue with the game+Denuvo? if it was an issue with the game+Denuvo, that should happen in every machine

why do I even have to type this obvious question out? c'mon

>>389397745
Denuvo is CPU-heavy, so if your CPU is any good it should, in theory, run better than the PS4 version. SSD also helps a lot, but the major factor is that mania is a 20 year old 2d romhack.

>>389398996
>There's also people that won't buy it solely because of Denuvo
It's probably less than the people that will buy it.

also I knew it was a double negative but saying significant sounded wrong.

>>389399103
>Has to wait a week+
>Asks for help because he can't follow simple directions
>Acts superior because he thinks beat the system

>>389398006
>Why do you think it's ok to include DRM in games or music without telling the customer beforehand?
Not that guy and I don't agree with the general practice, but Steam doesn't specify if a game uses Steamworks DRM anywhere on the store page so this happens incredibly more often than some people seem to realize. You could argue that other storefronts like PSN, eShop and such don't expressly inform the user about their DRM methods either but they probably have it taken care of when you accept the terms.

>>389398370
well for one I wouldn't be using some terrible proprietary apple file type

>>389398267
>If Sega sees that Sonic Mania sells like shit on the PC, they won't go "Oh shit, they hate denuvo, we've learned out lesson", they're gonna go "Oh shit nobody wants a new sonic on PC, guess we're not porting anything there anymore"

Ultimately that's still Sega's fault. It's not consumers' responsibility to compensate for publisher's lack of perception and ineptitude when it comes to understanding why gimped, delayed products sell like shit on a platform regardless of piracy. The onus is on Sega to deliver good games in a timely fashion without arbitrary restrictions, to hold the future of good sonic games hostage in order to get people to support and accept DRM is beyond insane.

>>389399085
If you steal another person's work, you are a piece of shit. That's pretty much ethics 101, doesn't mean you shouldn't get things for free if you want to. I pirate myself, I'm a piece of shit, no one is perfect. It's just embarrassing when you have people in denial of their status pretending that they are pirating based off some moral grounds.

>>389399369
I'm just giving you a comparable situation

>>389395409
https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/
Here you go anon

>>389398957
Even being facetious this post is pure cringe.

>>389399103
>aero
you're no better than a buyfag

>>389399434
Well like I said, I don't care about the DRM so I'm gonna show my support for the first decent sonic game in 2 decades.

Alternatively, you can buy it on another system if you're so inclined to gripe about the DRM.

>>389399507
already talked about those points in another post:

>>389397284

Fuck off, LimitCrown.

>>389399507
>Denuvo locks you into your purchase platform for now to eternity. If you purchase a Denuvo game on Steam, you must use Steam forever or abandon your purchases to the wind. If your Steam account gets hacked or locked, your games are gone, because they were never really yours, and you never really even had a copy of them.

How is that shit unique to Denuvo in any way? That applies to every Steam/Origin/Uplay game ever.

>>389399498
>If you steal another person's work, you are a piece of shit.
>That's pretty much ethics 101
The ownership of an idea, or of information, is a vastly debated issue in ethics, and has actual real world implications that, amoung other things, severely negatively impact the american consumer, as price gouging in pharmaceuticals actually causes vast amounts of suffering and death amoung the poor.
Don't presume.

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>>389399278
>It's probably less than the people that will buy it.
>>>probably
you can't just make up numbers on the spot and try to present them as facts, anon-kun
bottom line is, there's absolutely ZERO proof of denuvo helping or hindering sales, all we have to go by is conjecture

>>389398256
>>389398585
>FitGirl

NOT.EVEN.ONCE

>>389399745
And we are dealing with luxury items, so that comparison is off base.

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>>389399770
>you can't just make up numbers on the spot and try to present them as facts
I'm just saying boycotts aren't as effective as they seem.

>>389376625
cpy says hi op

>>389399726
no it doesn't

>>389399358
That's a false equivalency. Steam offers their end users a service, whereas Denuvo offers no benefit to the end user, and it's a given that most steam games use Steamworks DRM even though not all of them do, something that is outlined in the terms you agreed to unlike third party DRM. Same goes with the PSN and Eshop, and AFAIK no game on console shops uses third party DRM that isn't disclosed to the customer at the time of purchase,or acts any differently than what's part of the base console, or.

Sega completely omitted Denuvo DRM on their store page and in the games EULA, something which most other publishers who use DRM haven't tried to pull. To argue that paying customers shouldn't even have the right of disclosure is fucking scummy.

>>389399918
And the reason why DRM and things like that exist for "luxury" items is because industries like pharmaceuticals push for abusable and corporate favorable laws over consumer friendly ones.
One affects the other.

>>389400017
So you're saying you can magically pull steam games out of your library and play them without the need to use steam?

>>389399937
holy shit that cannot be real lmao

>>389399726
Almost everything on that page applies to any form of DRM including Sony, MS, and Ninty's implementations. It'd be better if the author sourced all of the claims and made it a general "Why DRM is bad" page. Tons of people seem to be misled to thinking that console digital games have no DRM due to this page or something similar.

>>389399498
>If you steal another person's work, you are a piece of shit. That's pretty much ethics 101
1. Piracy isn't stealing
2. Labeling people pieces of shit for piracy contradicts your claim that you don't have a problem with it. The fact that you do it yourself just makes you a hypocrite.

>>389400163
Yes, with this thing called steamworks bypass.

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>>389397602

You are The Faggot.

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>>389400368
>Piratefags so buttblasted they made their own version

I bought the game because I could. Deal with it.

>>389399552
I don't care. Just don't pretend you're not supporting DRM or try to guilt people into supporting DRM by holding the future of sonic games at stake.

>Alternatively, you can buy it on another system if you're so inclined to gripe about the DRM.
Which has the exact same outcome Sega thinking "Oh shit nobody wants a new sonic on PC, guess we're not porting anything there anymore". Why not just release the PC port at the same time without arbitrary online only restrictions?

>>389400069
So people should direct their ire to the root cause instead of DRM then

>>389400225
Yes it is. And it doesn't contradict at all. Stealing makes you a piece of shit but sometimes you have to be pragmatic. I don't fault people for it. When people try to mask their shittiness by pretending they wouldn't pirate i-i-i-if it wasn't for this one thing that I hardly noticed and come up with these extravagant lies on how they bough and pirated something is when it gets pretty embarrassing.

>>389399918
That's irrelevant. Your ownership of an idea doesn't override my ownership of products I buy.

>>389397973
They're still there and will continue to be there until this fucking tumor gets taken out entirely.

>>389400793
And you didn't buy it, you stole it so... lol

>>389400704
>So people should direct their ire to the root cause instead of DRM then
The root cause is that people believe they can own an idea.
If you say they can't, then you'd have to believe piracy is ethical because there is more inherent value in the information that constitutes things like medicinal chemical formulas.
If you say they can, then you'd have to believe piracy is unethical but that the horrible price gouging for no real reason other than profit that causes the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands is ethical.

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>>389391270
>>389390940

>>389400054
It's not really a false equivalency. There's no real way to know if a game uses Steamworks DRM until someone purchases it so you don't have full knowledge of what you're purchasing without external means. The fact that additional services are offered that some may find useful doesn't change that fact.

>To argue that paying customers shouldn't even have the right of disclosure is fucking scummy.
Like I said, I agree with this.

>>389398370
Not being able to play your single player videogames without being connected to the internet is pretty fucking noticeable
>Apple m4a's already have some form of DRM that is unnoticeable to most, if someone told you this and you didn't know, would you care?
But I do care. Why the fuck do you think "unnoticeable" DRM that limits your use of the things you buy is acceptable? Why do you think Apple advertises albums with the DRM-Free label? Because you think people don't care? Do you honestly think people on /mu/ are calling people pieces of shit for not buying the m4a version of albums?

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Why can't you bottomfeeder pirate scum just admit you hate Denuvo because it won't let you pirate it? Pathetic sacks of garbage. I hope every PC game uses it.

>>389399246
that's weird then, because my CPU is garbage from 2009

>>389391791
This doesn't bother anyone else?

>>389401196
dunno then mate, it's probably got to do with mania being a 20 year old 2d game like I said. I saw some people complain about game stutters during loading and saving, maybe your SSD is saving you from that.

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>>389400542
>Antipiratefags so buttblasted they went out of their way to make the original

I pirated the game because I could. Deal with it.

>>389380554
Just pirated and played through Green Hill. I've decided that I want to buy the game, but on the Switch. Full disclosure: lack of Denuvo in that version is only one of two reasons that I'm not buying it on my computer.

>>389401029
>If you say they can, then you'd have to believe piracy is unethical but that the horrible price gouging for no real reason other than profit that causes the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands is ethical.
Slippery slope meme. There are many more factors to ethics other than autonomy. But yes, people can own an idea and stealing it is unethical at the base.

>>389401180
They don't call anyone pieces of shit because it's already assumed. Do you see people on /mu/ talking about how they bought an album and then threw it away because of unnoticeable DRM? No one there cares unlike all these piratefags on /v/ trying to make excuses

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>>389400704
No it isn't. Even according to the law.

And it does contradict your own statements. You can't say you don't care about piracy while erroneously calling it stealing and using a derogatory term to label anyone who pirates. You're literally faulting people for it. Your entire pointed is undermined by the fact that you're trying to mask the shittiness of DRM and pretending it's s-s-s-s-stealing and you're a p-p-p-p-piece of s-s-shit for not accepting DRM using these extravagant lies on how it's somehow hardly noticeable is when it gets pretty embarrassing.

>>389401190
t. Denuvoshill

So does Denuvo actually fuck with SSDs? Can't find a legitimate recent source from post-2014.

>>389400991
I didn't steal it. And the people who bought it don't own it so....lol?

>>389401831

Whoever came up with the "slippery slope fallacy" is a genius. I mean, really, that is one brilliant piece of social engineering. What a great way to make people deny the existence of gradualism and entryism with a simple thought-terminating cliche.

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>>389401850
That reminds me.
Is anyone going to add mania to this?

>>389402021
the consensus i've seen from shitposting in a ton of denuvo threads is that at one point early on it had a bug/design flaw that wrought hell upon SSDs but was fixed fairly quickly
take that with a grain of salt because nobody's ever been able to find a source regardless

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>>389402172
It already happened.

>>389402253
Ah neat, thanks.

>>389401831
>They don't call anyone pieces of shit because it's already assumed.
Now you're just projecting.

Unlike /v/, people on /mu/ aren't retarded enough to buy albums with """"""unnoticable""""""" DRM. No one there cares because /v/ is the only board so cucked by their own industry all these antipiratefags on /v/ try to make excuses for DRM.

>>389402021
well it does constantly re-obfuscate files and shit so yeah it does use up your SSD more than a normal game, but in theory it should be insignificant

>>389401948
People who steal are pieces of shit. I don't care about stealing on a pragmatic level, which is what I do and what I assume most do. But when people try to elevate it on to some moral cause is when it gets embarassing

>>389402346
I remain unsurprised by the alt-right philosophy.

>>389402253
>tfw going back to Sonic 3 after playing mania
Everything just looks so janky.